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Lockdown started an hour ago. [01:34] schestowitz I think I'll need a monitor just for setup. Let's run sites-related services on its. At the moment the Friedman video we cut last month is viewed thousands of times because it's in the front page of HN. [01:34] schestowitz There was a GitHub leak just now... I'm told (see IRC log) due to cracking of Friedman's own account. [01:38] schestowitz Biden 264 [01:38] schestowitz Looks like it's almost over [01:38] schestowitz Little grounds for Trump to make a successful appeal [01:39] schestowitz even Barr would not go along with it [01:39] schestowitz GOP might not, either [01:39] schestowitz it would shame them [01:50] MinceR they seemed pretty shameless lately [01:50] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [01:50] MinceR then again, some of them would be glad to be rid of twitler ● Nov 05 [02:19] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:20] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:24] *vZS1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:24] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [02:25] XRevan86 Is it safe to congratulate the US right now with the orange one losing the election? [02:26] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Congratulations on the bidon :) [02:29] MinceR seems too early [02:30] XRevan86 At least as far as counting goes it doesn't look like there's any way Trump will catch up. [02:34] *superkuh has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:37] XRevan86 Putin's not enjoying his popcorn right now. [02:39] *superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) has joined #techrights [02:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:43] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 05 [04:09] oarion7 Doubtful the election will be resolved. We will either proceed with two presidents or a hopefully orderly dissolution of the United States into its component parts [04:10] oarion7 The most important part is that the last four years must not be in vain, the Great Satan losing its incredibility internationally is not only a "good" thing, it's critical to the survival of the species. ● Nov 05 [05:03] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [05:30] *drdogcow_ (~drunkendo@gateway/tor-sasl/drunkendogcowm/x-45413332) has joined #techrights [05:31] *drdogcow has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:36] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [05:36] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 05 [06:20] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:29] schestowitz "So, when Agent Orange steals his employer's jet and flees the country in it, will he head to UA or KSA? 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[07:34] schestowitz https://t.co/DYtfd9IHnP?amp=1 [07:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | No Excuses Left, Time to Leave the GitHub Monopoly | Hacker News [07:34] schestowitz "I am also not convinced. It is very easy to paint Microsoft as the villain of open source movements, but action speak louder than words. With their latest commitments to Linux, Github and the NPM ecosystem, I'm willing to stick it out and embrace the new era." [07:34] schestowitz How foolish [07:34] schestowitz Makes you wonder who she or he works for [07:34] schestowitz Those are both attacks on Free software [07:35] schestowitz not "embrace" for good [07:41] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming/Development Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144039 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2ab04168-e8d2-4f25-9245-3bd7063e4432] [07:45] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144040 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fb59cff0-78d4-4bfa-a3c4-10c9b1a07680] [07:51] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 5/11/2020: Linux 5.9.4 and Early Indications Biden/Harris Have Won http://techrights.org/2020/11/05/linux-5-9-4/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/2adef143-7564-4763-8e93-b398fe81ab9b] [07:53] *tr_guest|80013 (519aa976@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.81.154.169.118) has joined #techrights [07:54] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [07:55] vZS1 schestowitz: just another person on their gravy train ● Nov 05 [08:03] oiaohm Really it is right that Microsoft is a really easy villain with the issues with github. There is the reality that we have not setup systems designed to support using multi mirrors well so that if one supplier has some issue the project can go forwards like nothing happened. [08:03] schestowitz github is only one of several aspect [08:03] oiaohm Like if everyone leaves github and goes to the next big thing run by a single party in a decade time we could be back in exactly the same place. [08:04] schestowitz others being lobby for swpats, extortion with swpats etc. [08:04] schestowitz don't narrow that down [08:04] schestowitz with help from SJVN and other new era liars they indoctrinate some people [08:05] schestowitz the whole "Windows will be Linux" and "let's pretend Microsoft is not attacking us" spiel [08:05] schestowitz echoed by sites like ZDNet [08:05] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Richard Stallman, Jacob Appelbaum, and other good people! | https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/) [08:05] schestowitz which BTW hardly published anything this past week, I hope they're truly collapsing this month, better late than never [08:05] oiaohm I am not saying Ignore Microsoft. I am saying we need to be aware Microsoft is not the only problem. [08:05] oiaohm So that we don't run from Microsoft to some other party that could be worse. [08:27] schestowitz Re: This can't be accurate-- exit polls [08:27] schestowitz > Trump received far more votes than I expected, across the board. I'm [08:27] schestowitz > surprised, troubled, and disgusted. It's not like people do not have [08:28] schestowitz > enough information about what they are voting for. They have seen his [08:28] schestowitz > work and listened incessantly to his person. Oh, I cannot convey the [08:28] schestowitz > revulsion I feel concerning his character, and to see such an outcome is [08:28] schestowitz > just another blow to my faith in humanity. [08:28] schestowitz [08:05] I am not saying Ignore Microsoft. I am saying we need to be aware Microsoft is not the only problem. [08:28] schestowitz This is a different issue [08:28] schestowitz and a bit of a straw man TBH [08:29] schestowitz Re: The GNU project needs YOUR HELP contributing to Microsoft [08:29] schestowitz > Our _what_? The FSF is now an all-purpose cash and man-hours receptacle. [08:29] schestowitz "This community that we have, that we're building, that does so much, has to grow. We can't compete with Apple, we can't compete with Google, directly, in the field of resources. What we can eventually do is head count and heart count. We can compete on the ground of ideology because ours is better." [08:29] schestowitz -- Edward Snowden, NSA whisteblower, speaking at LibrePlanet 2016. [08:31] schestowitz > I agree. GNU is worth granting some mind-space, but the FSF is dead to me. [08:41] Narrator well, open software is not so important now [08:41] Narrator probably mous valuable data have been copied to clouds [08:42] Narrator .. most ... [08:45] schestowitz yes, the surfaces are moving [08:45] schestowitz and FSF is not keeping up [08:45] schestowitz heck, I was thinking yesterday: [08:45] schestowitz they spend so much money on their videos [08:45] schestowitz which need much time and budget [08:45] schestowitz instead, they could produce lots of blog posts on important issues [08:45] schestowitz there's no lack of subjects they can cover [08:46] Narrator the data is much important than code [08:46] schestowitz listening devices, software patents, DMCA attack on youtube-dl [08:46] schestowitz yet the FSF barely publishes anything at all [08:46] schestowitz maybe 1-2 blog posts per week, or 0.2 per day [08:46] schestowitz so you wonder, what DOES the FSF do all this time? [08:48] Narrator well, nobody need new software and that menan that FSF is not so important to save [08:48] Narrator .. mean ... [08:51] oiaohm open source is still important. The reality is the cloud could have even more control on us if we do lose complete software control of our devices. [08:53] oiaohm Right to repair fights coming important long term as well. [08:53] Narrator well, cloud operators could force users to use some subset of current software and could mix properiety and open software [08:53] Narrator they don't need only part of it [08:54] Narrator i mean [08:54] Narrator they can use only few open source project [08:54] *schestowitz does not diss FSF, just worries they became too inactive [08:55] *schestowitz also noticed they silence RMS [08:55] *schestowitz keeps getting messages from RMS saying he's worried about speaking to us in public [08:56] Narrator well, if we have world where if you add 2-3 inproper comments in 30 years [08:56] schestowitz FSF is throwing birthday parties to itself, but it's rather meaningless TBH [08:56] schestowitz and I presume pays people for artwork related to the parties [08:56] schestowitz instead of infographics about software freedom [08:56] Narrator talk about ethics all the time and few comments make you the wrong gay ... [08:57] Narrator well, and nobody see this problem ... [08:58] Narrator well, do you think that it will risk anymore? ● Nov 05 [09:05] Narrator btw, i think he should migrate from usa [09:10] vZS1 GNU is still doing some good work. But FSF is just a waste of time now. [09:12] vZS1 I've unsubscribed from everything FSF. Their cancellation of RMS disgusted me. [09:18] Narrator all bombs are gnu powered:D [09:22] Narrator we need them:) [09:30] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 05 [10:39] psydroid I am using a "smartphone" my uncle recently bought for my grandma, but it has a Chinese ROM and no option to unlock the bootloader and install another one. That is the kind of open source we are increasingly dealing with these days, weaponised and used against rather than in favour of the buyer. [10:41] psydroid Even if GUIX is interesting from a technical perspective, I am not looking at it because most of the people who are involved are the same who conspired against RMS [10:42] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:45] *inky (~inky@46.241.136.241) has joined #techrights [10:49] oiaohm psydroid: and you don't have the right to really repair that hardware either. Open Hardware bits out of open source like the pinephone I am seeing as long term important. [10:50] oiaohm Some of it is getting somehow getting buyers to class repairablity as a critical feature. [10:52] psydroid oiaohm, I was already looking at getting a replacement motherboard in case there is really no way to unlock the bootloader using some kind of exploit, but in the longer run I am thinking of designing replacement motherboards for existing phones and other devices as a way to liberate them [10:55] psydroid Yes, I wouldn't have bought this one and it's why I stuck with 4-year-old devices for so long, which I could control and only needed the kernel to be liberated [10:56] psydroid The irony is that you could install just a few bare applications on this phone while using a generic Android or GNU/Linux device for everything else, so I don't know what kind of control they want to achieve ● Nov 05 [11:04] *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has joined #techrights [11:09] vZS1 psydroid: If you'd like some help, you could contact me. I'm working on low-resource dev and distribution solutions for Free Software. [11:10] vZS1 Re: GUIX. Even if it contains conspirers, we get still grab ideas from it. I think that's the pragmatic and effective thing to do. [11:11] vZS1 Not that the ideas are unique in any way. Declarative workflows have been around for ages. But it's useful to see an implementation. [11:12] vZS1 psydroid: we need people like you with hardware expertise. [11:56] oiaohm psydroid: there is the general problem with the idea of take existing device and replace board. It having to meet the exact power/heat budget based on the cooling of the case. ● Nov 05 [12:01] oiaohm It can be in a lot of cases simple to raid the old device for its screen and usable parts and do motherboard with new case so you can in fact match the cooling solution up right. [12:01] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:05] psydroid maybe cutting the power budget would allow this to happen, although I agree developing open devices from the very beginning is what we really need [12:06] oiaohm Its not exactly power budget its the trapped heat problem [12:06] vZS1 psydroid: don't waste your time with oiaohm. Troll that only discourages and wastes time. [12:06] oiaohm If you are generating heat in the wrong location of the case where the cooling of the case it not designed to take heat way its a fast route to something over heated and dead. [12:07] oiaohm That happened with few protoboards to upgrade old neo phones. [12:09] oiaohm That was a open source case where you had the thermal model. [12:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SparkyLinux 5.13 Is Now Available for Download with Latest Debian Buster Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144041 [https://pleroma.site/objects/977ba98c-77dc-437e-a392-bbb9799525e6] [12:10] oiaohm vZS1: sorry he has known me longer than you have . [12:18] oiaohm The most insane device for thermal design was the one apple laptop that had a fan that thermally was not connected to anything. So it sucked air in blow air out of case and effectivelly cooled nothing. Of course the thing throttled badly and commonly end life with a dead cpu. [12:18] oiaohm Normally just out of warranty. [12:18] oiaohm So some cheaper and expensive devices have totally crap thermal design in their case from the get go. [12:25] schestowitz [12:10] vZS1: sorry he has known me longer than you have . [12:25] schestowitz oiaohm has been here over a decade [12:25] schestowitz he posted lots of good things too [12:25] schestowitz many people do not agree with him a lot of the time [12:25] schestowitz sometimes I do not agree with him, either [12:25] schestowitz but he is a real person, not a troll [12:26] schestowitz calling him "troll" cheapens the label to the point of comedy [12:26] schestowitz nobody is obliged to read oiaohm, all IRC clients have mute options (or similar) [12:27] schestowitz [09:12] I've unsubscribed from everything FSF. Their cancellation of RMS disgusted me. [12:28] schestowitz I still follow FSF, to be able to (at least) know what they're up to. There are still some decent people there. [12:28] schestowitz They tried pushing them out, but failed. [12:28] schestowitz They resist the efforts to make their lives miserable. [12:28] schestowitz e.g. by looking decades into their past for "wrongthing" [12:29] schestowitz like making "dumb blonde" jokes as college students [12:29] schestowitz *wrongthink [12:29] schestowitz apparently many things that used to be acceptable and humour are now "CoC violations" and this is being weaponised by coup executors [12:30] schestowitz One coup executor left the FSF [12:30] schestowitz He's till in SFC [12:30] schestowitz *still [12:30] oiaohm Is that the one that he history got looked at in the same level of detail and it was pot calling kettle black. [12:31] oiaohm I remember one of the who was going around doing CoC violation calls on a lot of people who got done in that way. [12:34] schestowitz and still taking dubious cash from Free software foes [12:35] oiaohm That leads back to the never ending problem how to fund software developement and support systems. [12:37] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19365806 [12:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Oh wow. Just received the #raspi by post. That was very, very fast! Will work on setting it set up tonight/overnight with #debian #gnu #linux ... [12:37] schestowitz it interrupted what I was typing in IRC [12:38] schestowitz oiaohm: outside one's freesw projects one can raise money [12:38] schestowitz my wife and I work all week long, technical job, so for the sites we don't need to worry about income [12:38] schestowitz and I even do a lot of coding since the lockdown started [12:39] schestowitz today is the first day of lockdown here. seeing how the postman handles parcel delivery is... interesting. but totally sensible. if this is becoming normal in society, we'll all look and act like weirdos. [12:41] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19365845 [12:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Purposes for the new #raspi include compute (one-board) 'cluster' for wife to offload heavily-used applications to... and access over ssh with X forwarding. It's one way to keep using very old (or cheap) PCs/machines... without having to buy new ones. Spreading loads. [12:43] oiaohm schestowitz: when you are in a location being short on funds it get tempting to take money from those you should not. This applies to open source and closed source development equaly. How to fund your need software development. Some do have your option to do other jobs to fund it. Others don't. Some projects need full time developers to keep up with the problems. [12:44] oiaohm So its a horrible problem. [12:44] oiaohm Leads to some people making really bad choices long term. [12:49] *notanamber (~luca@2001:b07:a16:5bc0:bd01:a12:47e2:5907) has joined #techrights [12:52] schestowitz oiaohm: it's different [12:52] schestowitz inherently [12:52] schestowitz freesw doesn't need to be a traditional job [12:53] schestowitz many debian devs have a job [12:53] schestowitz and debian project keeps them well trained and more useful to the employer [12:53] schestowitz e.g. maintaining packages that their employer relies on [12:53] schestowitz and then they become specialised and can expand those [12:53] schestowitz so it becomes sort of symbiotic [12:53] schestowitz my job is made easier by the fact I keep up with news [12:55] oiaohm I have seen the more well trained used in closed source for people to beta test different accountancy software. So the symbiotic appears in the closed source side as well. [12:57] oiaohm You can have the same downsides where employer need stuff done other than the packages in the debian case or the accountacy case the beta testing not get done. So there are side effects to that does not need to be a traditional job. [12:57] oiaohm Sometimes really project harmful side effects. [12:58] oiaohm Lot of this has to be case by case. ● Nov 05 [13:02] oiaohm https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/11/04/linux-and-libreoffice-migration-at-eyupsultan-municipality-in-turkey/ hmm nice story. [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Linux and LibreOffice Migration at Eypsultan Municipality in Turkey - The Document Foundation Blog [13:02] schestowitz i saw that [13:02] schestowitz [21:28] [Notice] -viera to #techrights- Tux Machines: Linux and LibreOffice Migration at Eypsultan Municipality in Turkey http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144010 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b0f8ea04-3b1d-4ad6-9ed2-0c33b687d128] [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux and LibreOffice Migration at Eypsultan Municipality in Turkey | Tux Machines [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [13:02] schestowitz [23:03] [Notice] -viera to #techrights- Tux Machines: Links 4/11/2020: Emmabunts DE3 1.03, LXQt 0.16, GNU/Linux Migration in Turkey and Signed Git Pushes in Linux http://techrights.org/2020/11/04/signed-git-pushes-in-linux/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/9715d1f4-473a-4723-84fa-2d408c9b4c28] [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/11/2020: Emmabunts DE3 1.03, LXQt 0.16, GNU/Linux Migration in Turkey and Signed Git Pushes in Linux | Techrights [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [13:03] schestowitz Istanbul just beat Manchester United [13:03] schestowitz (last night) [13:03] schestowitz home game for them [13:03] schestowitz Champions League [13:03] schestowitz Manchester United sucks so badly [13:05] MinceR 05 072937 < schestowitz> "So, when Agent Orange steals his employer's jet and flees the country in it, will he head to UA or KSA? Bets?" -iophk [13:05] MinceR why not russia? [13:05] *tr_guest|80013 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [13:07] schestowitz MinceR: it would make things too obvious ;-) [13:07] schestowitz He can go to Finland [13:07] schestowitz [22:48] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): Had #trump already sent an asylum-seeking application to Finland, Russia? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/finns-aghast-that-trump-could-think-their-country-is-part-of-russia [https://pleroma.site/objects/632718c7-09e8-4bb6-8e64-f1dfda0e69e1] [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Finns aghast that Trump could think their country is part of Russia | US news | The Guardian [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [13:07] schestowitz [13:04] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): NEWS #TruthOut #DeutscheBank May Seize #Trump 's Assets If He Loses and Fails to Repay #Debt https://truthout.org/articles/deutsche-bank-may-seize-trumps-assets-if-he-loses-and-fails-to-repay-debt/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/1058f7fe-9d3a-49e8-b099-af99a06be69e] [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Deutsche Bank May Seize Trump's Assets If He Loses and Fails to Repay Debt [13:07] schestowitz [13:06] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): #biden already beats Orange Monster by 3.5 million voter (popular vote) as the gap continues to grow. For #trump it's White House or JAIL House. [https://pleroma.site/objects/b811247a-f451-45fe-84d6-81c83f63a12f] [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [13:08] schestowitz I'll pay to watch THAT ;-) [13:10] MinceR lol [13:11] psydroid Manchester United hasn't been the same since Alex Ferguson left and not even some of the biggest managers who were successful elsewhere have managed to right the ship (despite the occasional trophies they won), so maybe now it's time to go back to basics with a coach who has an actual plan [13:14] oiaohm schestowitz: https://qz.com/1850130/thief-steals-two-planes-with-a-signature-and-a-stamp/ warped ways that aircraft at times get stolen. [13:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qz.com | Thief steals two planes with a signature and a stamp Quartz [13:15] oiaohm Its not stealing the aircraft that the hard bit. Its getting away with it. [13:15] schestowitz psydroid: well, at least we have Man City [13:15] schestowitz oiaohm: it's hard to hide a plane [13:15] schestowitz and evidence of you receiving it [13:16] schestowitz you can't just pocket it with a balaclava on [13:16] oiaohm Its not impossible. [13:16] schestowitz in a black market [13:17] schestowitz in proper channels you have to register it, like you do houses [13:17] oiaohm In a war game here Australia vs USA. Australia mil stole USA battle ship for 6 days using a cyclone to cover up the crime and making the USA forces think it was sunk and was looking for it for 6 days. [13:18] oiaohm Mind you it was 24 hours from disappearing completely. [13:18] oiaohm 5 days stripping the internals of the ship there was not much left inside when the USA got it back. [13:19] oiaohm they caught on when the Australian mil were planning the cutting up. [13:19] oiaohm Same thing could be done to an aircraft. [13:21] MinceR https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1823.html [13:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darthsanddroids.net | Darths & Droids [13:24] oiaohm You have to wonder if any of the stuff to disappear in the Bermuda triangle was just not carefully planned and well executed theift. [13:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Purism Launches 2nd Gen Librem Mini Linux PC with a 10th Gen Intel Core CPU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144042 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8e13d675-f2b9-417f-adf1-7b31a3aadabc] [13:40] notanamber Hello everyone, and congratulations on the work of techright. [13:40] notanamber I don't know if this is the right place to ask: [13:40] notanamber with friends we'd like to leave github for our projects. There are free alternatives or better than github (besides hosting the repositories on our own servers) [13:41] notanamber are there... [13:43] XRevan86 notanamber: You could consider Codeberg, an instance of Gitea. [13:43] schestowitz notanamber: hi [13:43] schestowitz I was going to suggest the same [13:43] schestowitz exactly those two [13:44] schestowitz because unlike gitlab you get access to everything [13:44] schestowitz and can self-host afaik [13:44] schestowitz now sure what codeberg is based on [13:44] schestowitz FSF said that (by this year's end?) it would have new hosting for gnu also [13:44] schestowitz based on gitlab as template I heard [13:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: Codeberg is an instance of Gitea. I didn't list two things ;) [13:44] schestowitz ok, makes sense [13:45] schestowitz gitea need to delete github [13:45] schestowitz it had plans to, predating the microsoft takeover [13:45] schestowitz I think it's still en route [13:45] schestowitz it'll be fun when gitea is developed on gitea [13:45] schestowitz like git is developed with git [13:45] schestowitz and gcc compiles gcc [13:46] schestowitz or riaa dmca's itself [13:46] notanamber ah great many thanks for the advices.. then I think I will look into Codeberg in more depth [13:47] notanamber I think we should wait for the gnu versioning [13:47] notanamber :) [13:48] schestowitz there's an articl3 [13:48] schestowitz from a friend [13:48] schestowitz https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2020/06/an-adventure-in-codebergorg-review-by-a-non-programmer.html [13:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | An Adventure in Codeberg.org - A Review by A Non-Programmer [13:48] schestowitz https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2019/11/codeberg-gitea-notabug-for-you-switching-from-github.html [13:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | Codeberg, Gitea, & Notabug for You Switching from GitHub [13:48] schestowitz you might want to read these as he spent loads of time on it [13:48] schestowitz he said he was inspired by us [13:50] notanamber schestowitz, bookmarked! [13:51] MinceR (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/UekgLDB.mp4 [13:54] schestowitz MinceR: just what the chef ordered... [13:54] MinceR :> [13:59] schestowitz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24993016 [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | No Excuses Left, Time to Leave the GitHub Monopoly | Hacker News [13:59] schestowitz " [13:59] schestowitz blah blah. [13:59] schestowitz I think github has actually been a force for good. I don't see much evidence of microsoft screwing it up either. [13:59] schestowitz As to youtube-dl - I'm a user of it and I like it a lot. But there are some points on the RIAA complaint I think they have to deal with. [13:59] schestowitz I'm pretty sure there's a way to put a form of youtube-dl on the site that downloads videos as before yet skirts the RIAA complaint. [13:59] schestowitz But that's not something github can do for them. I think github has to follow the law and let it play out. [13:59] schestowitz " [13:59] schestowitz Quite a few Microsoft apologists in there ● Nov 05 [14:08] notanamber "t is very easy to paint Microsoft as the villain of open source movements, but action speak louder than words. With their latest commitments to Linux, Github and the NPM ecosystem" [14:09] notanamber hahaah [14:09] schestowitz coup is love [14:09] schestowitz Microsoft loves coup [14:09] schestowitz "thank you Microsoft" [14:09] schestowitz now buy Linux [14:09] schestowitz show us the "love" [14:09] MinceR "hacker" noise is full of shit [14:09] schestowitz yup [14:09] MinceR full of cancerd apologists [14:09] MinceR full of microshit apologists [14:09] schestowitz I've long said that [14:09] notanamber contributions that it was better not to make [14:09] MinceR it's the new slashdot [14:09] schestowitz the other comments threat there about techrights (earlier this week) was reasonably OK [14:10] schestowitz but they're full of Microsoft apologists, same as Reddit [14:10] schestowitz /. used to be OK in the old days [14:10] schestowitz Chris DiBona, who worked there, wrote to me about what he saw [14:10] schestowitz before he went to Google [14:10] schestowitz they were trolled to the death [14:10] schestowitz and he didn't to tell me all the details [14:11] schestowitz Microsoft identified the enemy and destroyed it [14:11] schestowitz In years that followed they planted Microsoft boosters there [14:11] schestowitz like a mole who was gloating about the generosity of iIll Gates [14:11] MinceR "The RIAA causes outrage and fury worldwide by listing Icona Pop in the same set as Justin Timberlake and Taylor Swift. Hackernews wrestles with their value judgments; their firm stance as bootlickers for megacorporations has finally crashed headlong into their equally firm belief that programmers should never be held to any legal or moral standards. What results is a wide-ranging display of profound [14:11] schestowitz disguised as "news for geeks" [14:11] MinceR confusion, as Hackernews realizes they don't have clear definitions of literally any of the words involved in internet video, copyright law, the American legal process, or website hosting." -- http://n-gate.com/ [14:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-n-gate.com. we can't both be right. [14:11] MinceR /. not being full of shit was very long ago [14:15] schestowitz early 2000s and later 90s [14:15] schestowitz Some examples in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Slashdot [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slashdot - Techrights [14:18] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [14:20] MinceR https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1824.html [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darthsanddroids.net | Darths & Droids [14:31] psydroid yesterday, as I was testing a (botched) kernel on my Orange Pi running Debian Bullseye, typhoid was taking up to 5 minutes to boot [14:46] schestowitz wow [14:46] schestowitz with systemd my old laptop took less than that to boot, maybe 3 minutes [14:47] MinceR lol [14:48] schestowitz prior to systemd it took under a minute [14:48] schestowitz i never ran a systemd profiler to find out what the hell it was doing [14:51] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [14:52] kingoffrance slashdot is funny cuz they always had either-or headlines...which was kind of a running joke...then a few years later the real news all looked the same and it wasnt so funny lol [14:52] kingoffrance its like when jon stewart went on fox and he said "i do a comedy show, why are you comparing yourselves to me?" [14:53] kingoffrance "you realize my show is supposed to be fake, right?" lol [14:53] kingoffrance not saying it wasnt always like that [14:53] kingoffrance just as news went online IMO it got more and more like that [14:53] kingoffrance more clickbaity [14:54] kingoffrance and showed up in the print stuff too more IMO [14:54] vZS1 FreeBSD is really snappy if you just care about speed [14:54] vZS1 They have decent support for ARM [14:59] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fvjiylahrovnfgof) has joined #techrights ● Nov 05 [15:00] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:06] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Sparky 5.13 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144041#comment-27059 [https://pleroma.site/objects/43cd985b-8d9c-4091-9626-59ca53687950] [15:18] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: World of Warcraft and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144049 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c5bbd757-14a6-4ffa-8cff-f0170b594a91] [15:40] *oarion7 (~anonymous@unaffiliated/oarion7) has joined #techrights ● Nov 05 [16:24] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:26] *inky (~inky@46.241.136.241) has joined #techrights [16:38] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) ● Nov 05 [17:03] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144052 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e3ae7e45-04f9-4142-8dac-49a9f0eff794] [17:04] *Chaekyung has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:08] *Chaekyung (chaekyung@2001:2002:51ed:cee0::) has joined #techrights [17:10] *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has left #techrights [17:17] schestowitz OUCH!! @fsf let its SSL cert expired. You'd think they should have this in the diary and renew in advance if they're run properly. 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[20:21] schestowitz and welcome [20:21] schestowitz join us [20:24] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [20:27] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Richard Stallmans Talk at the 35th Anniversary of the FSF http://techrights.org/2020/11/05/rms-anniversary-of-the-fsf/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/19d243d0-f342-40cb-b894-703dd918236e] [20:41] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144056 [https://pleroma.site/objects/623cb6f8-94ff-49b7-afd0-b23d57c7e239] [20:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Introducing User Feedback in #Dolphin http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144055 [https://pleroma.site/objects/17c97ab4-92c6-4a12-bd26-251c942c9bcc] [20:48] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:51] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [20:57] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu: Podcast, Snaps, Open Infrastructure Summit, ROS, MTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144057 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7699a39a-c1bc-4ba0-b98a-b793f4153df5] [20:59] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [20:59] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) ● Nov 05 [21:01] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [21:01] *schestowitz (~schestowi@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:01] *schestowitz has quit (Changing host) [21:01] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [21:02] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [21:04] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:07] *inky (~inky@46.241.136.241) has joined #techrights [21:10] esaym153 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X/5950X Linux Gaming Performance-> man looks nice. Too bad covid took all my money [21:13] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Erlang and Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144058 [https://pleroma.site/objects/46121b68-109c-4b1c-a72a-449e223cccaa] [21:15] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:20] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144059 [https://pleroma.site/objects/467a42d2-86ef-4ba9-a11a-0d2faf8709ab] [21:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 5/11/2020: Linux 5.9.5, SparkyLinux 5.13, Collabora Online 6.4.0 http://techrights.org/2020/11/05/linux-5-9-5/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/e02de15c-00f9-4e7a-b5cd-6594440aa3b7] [21:25] schestowitz esaym153: the money was pass to rich people [21:25] schestowitz and their offshore heaven [21:25] schestowitz money is debt [21:25] schestowitz and a man-made concept [21:25] schestowitz looks like all the liabilities are being passed downwards now [21:26] schestowitz we're not all together in this... http://techrights.org/2020/10/25/donald-trump-and-bill-gates/ [21:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trump Helped Bill Gates Increase His Wealth by More Than 50%, Especially During the Pandemic | Techrights [21:26] schestowitz they even got STIMULUS money [21:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/18/microsoft-graft/ [21:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | With Help From Donald Trump, Microsoft is Plundering and Looting the American Taxpayers, Then Gloating About It | Techrights [21:41] schestowitz vZS1: https://www.maketecheasier.com/cryptolocally-review/ [21:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | CryptoLocally: The Easy & Secure Way to Trade Cryptocurrency - Make Tech Easier [21:41] schestowitz lol [21:42] schestowitz it says "crypto" [21:42] schestowitz so it's "OK" [21:43] vZS1 schestowitz: wasn't online, sorry. 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Do you advice me for donating to FSF/gnu.org or FSFE? [21:59] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Nov 05 [22:00] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:00] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:01] amreo I want to support the Free Software movement. Who would you recommend me to donate to? [22:09] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [22:23] schestowitz hi [22:23] schestowitz gnu doesn't do donations, except via FSF [22:23] schestowitz FSFE is, imho, scammy [22:24] schestowitz they misuse the FSF's name to raise money for their staff [22:24] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/fsf-fsfe-dispute/ [22:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: FSF/FSFE Trademark Dispute (FSF Demanding That FSFE Should Change the Organisations Name) | Techrights [22:24] schestowitz there are more leaks to that effect [22:25] schestowitz FSF feels like FSFE raised a million euros just by misleading people into thinking it's connected to the FSF [22:25] schestowitz which it isn't [22:25] schestowitz so asked them to change name [22:25] schestowitz which they declined/refused to do [22:25] schestowitz FSFE already gets plenty of money from Google [22:29] schestowitz amreo: also see techrights.org/2020/08/23/osi-fsfe-collusion-and-coordination/ [22:29] schestowitz short story is, they worked with OSI to undermine RMS and the message of software freedom [22:29] schestowitz as if the attack on FS if the same as FS [22:30] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bit Is A Modern Git CLI With An Interactive Prompt http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144063 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7c8c318f-74ca-4b64-a4bd-288ebdea9ab0] [22:36] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: I am Seriously Considering Going Back to Desktop Computers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144064 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3c724d60-1b33-4b79-8270-3f25f378c0ef] [22:39] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:39] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [22:44] DaemonFC[m] Comcast is selling unlimited data now. But you get 1.2 TB each month without that. [22:44] DaemonFC[m] They actually added 200 GB since last time. [22:44] schestowitz it's also selling data to companies [22:44] schestowitz like data brokers [22:44] schestowitz but Mozilla helps them [22:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/ [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights [22:44] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: when things settle down maybe you can ask the court for those Jones docs? [22:45] schestowitz would help to bring to light new info and court docs [22:45] schestowitz as the media seems to have lost interest [22:45] DaemonFC[m] They had a $25 internet plan for 12 months. You just call and complain every year and they put you back on it. [22:47] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: V3DV + Zink, AMDVLK 2020.Q4.3 Vulkan Driver Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144065 [https://pleroma.site/objects/67357645-f9b0-4e1d-96dc-2278edecbf89] [22:52] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SMARC module runs Linux on RK3399K http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144066 [https://pleroma.site/objects/007c281d-13b8-4a21-be6b-10b7fb35a1ab] [22:56] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #QubesOS 4.0.4-rc1 has been released! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144067 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4d724f86-8a60-4c10-9c78-c4c54d61483d] [22:56] vZS1 schestowitz: the amount of misinformation in that post. I don't even want to get started [22:56] vZS1 There's nothing anonymous about most Blockchain [22:57] vZS1 They use Know Your Customer (KYC) to track people [22:57] vZS1 And "crypto". [22:58] vZS1 But go ahead people [22:58] vZS1 Blow your money on some of the most volatile financial instruments in recorded history [22:59] schestowitz yup [22:59] schestowitz cyptosmartcloud(TM) ● Nov 05 [23:00] schestowitz order today [23:00] schestowitz with your credit card on an "app" [23:00] schestowitz no refunds unless you give us your email address [23:02] vZS1 Cash is the best. Hardest to track [23:02] vZS1 Anything digital leaves a red hot trail [23:03] vZS1 Even the stuff like Monero. People need to withdraw digital currency from somewhere [23:06] vZS1 And it's not like you get competitive spreads. Conversion eats into profit a lot deeper for so much volatility. [23:07] schestowitz well, here's the thing [23:07] schestowitz the other day we checked out finances [23:07] vZS1 The only people making money off this is the broker [23:07] schestowitz amid covid and all [23:07] schestowitz so we checked what savings accounts are like [23:07] schestowitz guess what [23:07] schestowitz when you go to banks' sites [23:07] schestowitz go to savers' section [23:07] schestowitz and their variants [23:07] schestowitz they advertise almost nothing [23:07] schestowitz and they hide raes [23:07] schestowitz *rates [23:07] schestowitz you need to dig deep down [23:08] vZS1 Yeah. I handle a lot of finances. [23:08] schestowitz even for ISAs [23:08] schestowitz because [23:08] vZS1 Get a SIPP [23:08] schestowitz the interest rates are a JOKES [23:08] vZS1 It's better than an ISA [23:08] schestowitz for locking money down for two years you get 0.2% AER [23:08] schestowitz this is LAUGHABLE [23:08] vZS1 Government tops up your SIPP [23:08] schestowitz sso the whole concept you want money in the bank goes away [23:08] schestowitz the money cannot grow there at all [23:08] vZS1 Look into a SIPP [23:08] schestowitz normal ISAs at 0.05% [23:09] schestowitz interest-free accounts might soon have negative interest [23:09] schestowitz see Cyprus a decade back [23:09] schestowitz anyway, storing more money in cash outside the bank seems more harmless [23:09] schestowitz if not safer too [23:09] schestowitz they cannot easily confiscate it [23:10] schestowitz I wonder if the new notes and coins are about deprecating the old ones and limiting the money supply [23:10] vZS1 You're better off splitting your cash into low-risk instruments [23:10] schestowitz so as to discourage cash payments and 'ownership' of physical money [23:10] schestowitz (did not check) [23:11] schestowitz this theory would hold up if the cash supply was, in fact, leading to shortages [23:11] schestowitz some places won't accept cash anymore [23:11] schestowitz and they GLOAT about it [23:11] schestowitz they are SO "smart" [23:11] schestowitz https://www.linuxnix.com/linux-security-hardening-for-beginners-part-02-iptables/ [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxnix.com | Linux Security Hardening for Beginners Part 02 IPTABLES - The Linux Juggernaut [23:12] vZS1 Don't forget that ISAs have holding fees [23:12] vZS1 And it's not always flat rate [23:12] vZS1 Usually it's % [23:12] vZS1 So you lose over time [23:13] vZS1 Self Investment Private Pension is worth looking into. Because the government tops it up for you. 20% [23:13] vZS1 Say you put in 10k [23:13] vZS1 You get 2k from the gov [23:14] vZS1 But you can only start withdrawing after 55 [23:14] schestowitz pension? [23:14] vZS1 Yes [23:14] vZS1 SIPP [23:14] schestowitz Don't trust them at times like these.. [23:14] schestowitz I'm actually about to withdraw my pension money [23:14] vZS1 It's a private one [23:14] schestowitz and pay the massive tax on doing that [23:14] vZS1 You don't get taxed on a SIPP [23:15] schestowitz that's like locking money away for decades [23:15] schestowitz with no real guarantee of it still there [23:15] schestowitz and seeing 2007/2008, now COVID, who the heck knows what's ahead [23:15] schestowitz not to mentioon brexshit [23:15] vZS1 Pretty sure you get protection up to a certain amount [23:16] vZS1 But that's in the fine print [23:18] vZS1 I think the protection is capped at 85k [23:18] schestowitz yes, that's the one [23:18] schestowitz per person [23:19] schestowitz so a couple: 170k [23:19] vZS1 Yeah [23:19] schestowitz has anyone TESTED this protection? [23:19] schestowitz and who offers the collateral? [23:19] vZS1 You'd have to look it up. [23:19] schestowitz "Borishhh"? [23:20] vZS1 You get decent tax privileges in ISAs and SIPPs. There's many kinds of each [23:20] schestowitz Soon they might say this protection is limited to $GROUP [23:20] schestowitz Under %CONDITIONS [23:20] vZS1 Much better than cryptoclown [23:20] schestowitz we have cryptoBorus [23:20] vZS1 But that's not hard [23:21] vZS1 Tbh, if you have decent savings, just keep it safe. Enjoy retirement responsibly. If you're a couple, it should be easier. [23:22] schestowitz We'll see [23:23] schestowitz not thinking about retirement yet, I'm 38 [23:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open Hardware and Embedded Devices/Hardware With GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144068 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4749b127-eb21-46c7-82f1-3a39ba6613cf] [23:24] schestowitz yuppie-ism and early-retirement-ism are waning anyway, as retirement ages go up, along with inflation that devalues savings and sinking interest rates [23:24] schestowitz it's moving towards, "work till you die, die for 'the economy'" (queen and country) [23:26] MinceR "For the economy! :charges:" [23:26] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144069 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e71dfeb0-11b6-47d1-878a-1f26aaffd391] [23:31] vZS1 I need to check out that RMS thing you posted earlier [23:31] schestowitz it's disturbing [23:31] schestowitz not the video [23:31] schestowitz the hosting site [23:31] schestowitz [22:12] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): Very, very strange: (reproducible on two machines, several times) when visiting the #mediagoblin Web site/s it seems like the system toggles on "Sync Selections" (selection to clipboard). Why and how? Who the heck knows! [https://pleroma.site/objects/3032d4a8-25e4-46f3-8f26-3187cde59446] [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [23:32] schestowitz [21:16] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): Not for the first time, over the past 2 hours I've wasted loads of rime trying to 'unfsck' my machine after merely visiting #mediagoblin site screwed up its state. Reproducible in my prior PC as well. Is reboot the last recourse? [https://pleroma.site/objects/ba0856b7-c153-45a6-871c-07810b19e70d] [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [23:32] schestowitz [21:02] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): For a very long time, over a year for sure on several machines, each time I visited the #mediagoblin site it would 'break' my machine and applications somehow, e.g. screw up clipboard stacks and freeze things. Not sure why. [https://pleroma.site/objects/dd4a4466-7f4b-487c-a983-98deea72c3a2] [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [23:32] schestowitz I wasted over an hour on this yesterday [23:32] schestowitz tried loads of things [23:32] schestowitz then found the culprit [23:33] schestowitz both in openbox and in kde plasma I saw this issue, encountered it repeatedly, drove me up the wall for hours [23:33] schestowitz can a browser alter settings at that level? [23:33] vZS1 Goodness knows what they put in browsers these days [23:33] schestowitz even after it is closed? [23:33] schestowitz I pretty much restarted all processes, inc. plasmashell itself [23:33] schestowitz turns out klipper is no longer its own process [23:34] vZS1 Try running your browser as a different user [23:34] schestowitz A shame that a gnu site of all things causes me this mess repeatedly [23:34] schestowitz you'd think their "simple" solution for video would be least harmful [23:34] schestowitz in klipper the settings was set to "Sync Selections" [23:34] schestowitz it was never turned on [23:35] schestowitz this always happens when I access the mediagoblin sites [23:35] schestowitz something about them causes this [23:35] schestowitz not a new issue [23:35] schestowitz it totally breaks my workflow for ages [23:36] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:37] schestowitz This time at least I got to the bottom of it [23:37] schestowitz no reboots or anything [23:37] schestowitz so if or when it happens again I'll know where to check [23:37] schestowitz but still. wth?! [23:37] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:40] vZS1 Create a new user for your browser [23:40] vZS1 You'll be able to see what's going on a lot easier [23:45] *amreo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:49] schestowitz hm... gotta get a keyboard for the raspi [23:49] schestowitz the ones I have are partly faulty [23:50] schestowitz I suppose I can install barrier and just use a remote keyboard [23:50] schestowitz after setup [23:50] schestowitz buying another monitor at a physical store would be hard now [23:50] schestowitz aiming for second-hand [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] vZS1 Got 2 HDMI ports on my monitor. Pi is hooked up to the spare port [23:58] vZS1 Why don't you just use the Pi headless. [23:58] schestowitz some iterm were sold out [23:58] schestowitz I can use it headless, but not for setup [23:59] schestowitz will start around 1am [23:59] schestowitz I have the microsd card [23:59] schestowitz and some peripheral someone bought for us [23:59] schestowitz I never assembled these myself, typically I use old laptops gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-051120.txt

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