●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 ●● ● Nov 03 [00:00] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:06] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Do you prefer audiobooks then Cozy is your pal. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143946 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0650253c-b172-451c-9e76-3d41f9aa2b96] [00:09] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: DRM, ARM and ReiserFS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143947 [https://pleroma.site/objects/98dcdfac-e69c-4479-81d3-08f0dd27fd9f] [00:12] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat/Fedora: CodeReady Studio, Oracles RHEL Clone, Fedora Project and TeamViewer RPM Issues http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143948 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9b15e594-4aae-49d5-afb2-013fc83f572f] [00:17] schestowitz They say US tech is so much better and more dominant [00:17] schestowitz even if subsidised by the military and gov. [00:17] schestowitz and they cannot even set up a proper election/voting system [00:17] schestowitz that announces a winner within a day at most [00:18] schestowitz this is imperialism turned upon its head [00:18] schestowitz messing around with so many elections worldwide [00:18] schestowitz so no wonder they can't even run a proper process of their own [00:18] schestowitz and few people participate in it [00:18] schestowitz (about half of those eligible) [00:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Librem Mini Desktop PC Gets a 10th Gen Intel Refresh, But No Price Increase http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143939#comment-27002 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e9571c8-7f7d-47ac-a499-2e7ee7f1f451] [00:27] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Lite 5.2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143862#comment-27003 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ad0b4069-2351-47cd-8683-b338b7ad0737] [00:29] schestowitz https://sfconservancy.org/news/2020/nov/02/2020-11-hiring/ [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Conservancy is Hiring! - Software Freedom Conservancy [00:29] vZS1 Might see more participation with the mail in [00:29] schestowitz they don't mention they recently lost employees [00:29] vZS1 I'm off to bed now though. Good night all [00:29] schestowitz gnight [00:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MX-19.3 Release Candidate 1 now available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143950 [https://pleroma.site/objects/01216645-efcb-4850-adb2-f85d18f49221] [00:42] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi 400 reviewthe under-$100 desktop PC you didnt know you needed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143919#comment-27004 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f86b0f28-7eeb-4c4c-bb82-a2eb8ddc0f43] ● Nov 03 [01:20] oiaohm pitty the Raspberry Pi 400 is only the 4G version instead of the 8G [01:32] oiaohm Also with my love of mechanical keyboards I don't think I could stand using Raspberry Pi 400 ● Nov 03 [02:05] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:13] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 03 [03:08] DaemonFC[m] I'm going to send a thank you card to Jorge and Essence at the hotel. [03:09] DaemonFC[m] It was a bit beat up, but we would have been screwed without it when we needed somewhere to stay. [03:10] DaemonFC[m] Last year I was hurting so badly financially that I just charged up the stay as far ahead as they let me. The manager made an exception to let me pay for 7 months at once. [03:34] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Nov 03 [04:16] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:19] *inky (~inky@5.77.171.240) has joined #techrights [04:52] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 11 Best Linux Distros for Programmers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143951 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #News [https://pleroma.site/objects/a36c0e56-f8aa-47bb-8657-cdfbcb5fedf2] ● Nov 03 [05:00] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [05:15] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Dan Kohn, Executive Director of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation, Has Died http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143929#comment-27006 [https://pleroma.site/objects/43233609-d3a7-4df1-bfd3-949b323e83f8] [05:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LibreELEC (Leia) 9.2.6 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143952 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fda12046-e97c-4e5c-a8f6-5ad5d4dfebf4] [05:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Monado and Zink http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143953 [https://pleroma.site/objects/976ffe3c-350b-4302-883b-65e28be1af12] [05:41] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Precursor is a mobile, open hardware, dual FPGA development kit (Crowdfunding) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143900#comment-27008 [https://pleroma.site/objects/db6a33a9-3fd9-458b-905a-85def81909a9] [05:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OpenIndiana Hipster 2020.10 Released: Heres Whats New http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143896#comment-27009 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b2830781-45b2-44e7-bcd2-b18bc069fec9] [05:44] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: Essence as a name? ● Nov 03 [06:03] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Six more articles about Raspberry Pi 400 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143919#comment-27010 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e77a4638-f289-41f7-a13f-e23518912416] [06:18] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/11/02/better-late-than-never-german-liberal-party-files-parliamentary-question-on-unified-patent-court/#comments [06:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Better Late Than Never German Liberal Party Files Parliamentary Question on Unified Patent Court - Kluwer Patent Blog [06:18] schestowitz " [06:18] schestowitz Interesting, not one of the questions concerns the issue of Brexit and the hardcoding of London into the agreement. [06:18] schestowitz Yes, I know Germany provided an answer on that already, but the question is worth repeating, [06:18] schestowitz At least theyre shaking the fig leafs. [06:18] schestowitz " [06:18] schestowitz zoobab: ^ [06:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: No Excuses Left, Time to Leave the GitHub Monopoly | Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143596#comment-27011 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c6c3b061-b4ca-428a-a7cf-e2ed93c77390] [06:52] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights ● Nov 03 [07:53] vZS1 There's so many hoops to jump through to get stuff installed on ARM 32 bit [07:53] vZS1 The old raspberry pi models [07:54] vZS1 I'll spend today trying to get IPFS working on the Pi [07:54] vZS1 Once that's done I don't need to keep relying on my desktop for testing things out [07:55] vZS1 Hopefully should have an IPFS deployment functional before the weekend. [07:55] vZS1 On the Pi [07:56] vZS1 Then I'll work on getting a simple HTTP server set up with RSS for an index of what I'm pinning to my IPFS node. [07:58] vZS1 schestowitz: once I've got the above functional, I'll get to work on that periodical I was talking about. I just want to put all worry about distribution out of the way first. ● Nov 03 [08:02] schestowitz hi [08:02] vZS1 Morning [08:06] schestowitz just caught up [08:06] schestowitz did you consider buying the keyboardPC (Raspi 400)? [08:06] schestowitz can run headless and without mouse for 50 quid, 4gb of ram [08:07] schestowitz heck, imagine someone setting up a RACK of those [08:07] schestowitz then having to explain wtf is this rack with a stack of white keyboard in it [08:08] schestowitz *keyboards (if bought in bulk, you could stack about 30 of them for a grand) [08:08] schestowitz 120gb of ram, 30 cpus, maybe 60 cores [08:09] schestowitz you can swap in and out bad ones in case of hardware issues,without having to reopen any enclosures [08:11] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/11/02/whoever-wins-election-will-face-severe-eviction-crisis-30-million-brace [08:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Whoever Wins the Election Will Face Severe Eviction Crisis, as 30 Million Brace for Homelessness | Common Dreams Views [08:12] schestowitz if you assume about 120 million >families<, that's like a huge chunk of the population [08:12] schestowitz would cause massive, unprecedented unrest [08:12] schestowitz People act differently when they're in the street or on the verge of being "ON the street" (out on) [08:13] schestowitz ugly week ahead for the US, starting perhaps tomorrow morning [08:13] schestowitz fuelled of course by inflammatory and fascistic Trump "tweets" [08:14] schestowitz https://www.salon.com/2020/11/02/president-trump-tells-advisers-that-he-fears-prosecution-if-he-loses-the-election-report/ [08:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-President Trump tells advisers that he fears prosecution if he loses the election: report | Salon.com [08:14] schestowitz This ugly fascist ain't leaving [08:14] schestowitz not without a war [08:28] CrystalMath personally i hope Trump wins [08:28] CrystalMath he could use the mass evictions to show that lockdowns are harmful, and use the supreme court to get lockdowns banned in the US forever [08:29] CrystalMath then we will live with viruses and get sick happily ever after :) [08:31] *tessier bought an rpi 400 today [08:37] schestowitz what a weird logic, CrystalMath [08:37] schestowitz it's like saying, let's self-nuke to "make a point" [08:37] schestowitz tessier: cool [08:39] vZS1 I've decided to take a little detour and streamline a cross-compiler toolchain setup for ARM. I don't want to rely on upstream to build packages for me. Obvious trust issues. [08:40] vZS1 I have much more peace of mind if I can just get source code repos/tarballs and work from there [08:40] *psydroid builds everything except for kernels natively [08:42] vZS1 I don't usually do it for stuff that's not part of a security project. [08:43] schestowitz how many of the pertinent packages and deps are downstreamed from MS/NSA? [08:43] vZS1 I have no idea [08:43] schestowitz to whit techrights.org/2020/05/17/gnuhub-pt-5/ [08:43] schestowitz even gnu is entangled [08:44] schestowitz a distro might be 60% entangled [08:44] schestowitz there need to be a MASS boycott of GitHub [08:44] schestowitz and mass removal of projects from there [08:44] vZS1 It's not just GitHub [08:44] vZS1 If you use anything with a codebase you don't know intimately, there's a chance of a backdoor [08:45] vZS1 And the applies to every big piece of software [08:45] vZS1 that* [08:46] schestowitz but you can trust the authors and hosts [08:46] schestowitz for particular projects [08:46] schestowitz not when they outsource to NSA [08:46] schestowitz mind you, github added a 'feature' where they 'fix' the code for you [08:46] schestowitz silently [08:46] schestowitz "for security" [08:46] vZS1 There are some occasions where the only person you can trust is yourself [08:46] schestowitz that can be misused in a lot of ways [08:46] schestowitz is Signal still on shithub? [08:47] schestowitz (bunch of clowns) [08:47] vZS1 I've done work where everything just ran off generic microcontrollers [08:47] vZS1 Because the level of trust was very tightly controlled [08:48] schestowitz https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2020-May/018450.html [08:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.torproject.org | [tor-relays] Again: abuse email for non-exit relay (masergy) [08:48] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:48] vZS1 I don't know about everything in the Linux kernel [08:48] vZS1 Much less everything in GNU [08:49] vZS1 I don't know everything in the netfilter library [08:52] vZS1 At least with a microcontroller you have a datasheet that's digestible by one person. Slap on a few networking modules and you still can keep it in one brain. [08:53] vZS1 There's still hardware to worry about. [08:54] schestowitz the network stack is sometimes on it [08:54] schestowitz the risk for >remote< intrusion is the network [08:54] CrystalMath schestowitz: i'm sorta an anti-humanist; and supporter of reducing the world's population [08:54] schestowitz if you don't have control over that, then you have control over nothing in your system [08:55] vZS1 That's why some things need to be air-gapped [08:55] schestowitz well, Trump support is compatible with "anti-humanist" [08:55] CrystalMath i think that humans should submit to nature's almighty will [08:55] schestowitz sounds like self-loathing tbh [08:55] schestowitz there are other ways to reduce population numbers, like abortions in cases of unwanted pregnancy [08:55] schestowitz and you know where your fascist stands on abortions [08:56] CrystalMath in 1990, Trump said he would never ban it [08:56] schestowitz we're in 2020 [08:56] CrystalMath and he didn't ban it [08:56] schestowitz and the fascist is putting moles in SCOTUS [08:56] schestowitz anti-abortions activists with robes [08:57] *inky (~inky@5.77.171.240) has joined #techrights [08:57] CrystalMath that would indeed be sad but i don't think they'll ban it [08:57] vZS1 I don't know why people assume a supreme justice won't have an agenda [08:57] schestowitz the "pro-lifers" who want to spread COVID widely to kill lots of people [08:57] vZS1 That's kind of the whole point. It's a political appointment [08:57] schestowitz vZS1: it's an old myth [08:57] schestowitz like assuming the government wants people to have privacy and guard it [08:57] CrystalMath Amy Coney Barrett in particular said that the supreme court has too much power, and should be reduced [08:58] schestowitz no, [08:58] schestowitz she meant, [08:58] schestowitz she does not like what it decides [08:58] schestowitz and so, undermining it is the goal [08:58] schestowitz until it agrees more with her viewpoint [08:59] schestowitz which seems to be tied to an inhumane cult [08:59] schestowitz her dad was a lawyer for oil companies (Shell) for 30 years, I heard [08:59] CrystalMath idk, i like to be a consistent anti-humanist, i support abortion *and* viruses [08:59] schestowitz so the goal is tied to money at the expense of our survival [08:59] schestowitz many of the trump moles on SCOTUS came from suggestions from Koch think tanks ● Nov 03 [09:00] schestowitz like Federalist Society [09:00] schestowitz and they also lobby to crush patent reform (sanity) [09:00] oiaohm vZS1: Just because you have the data sheet of the Microcontrol does not mean you have been given all the documentation. https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter Its like running sandsifter here on x86 processes and finding stacks of not publicly documented op codes. [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter: The x86 processor fuzzer [09:01] schestowitz github hosting = immediate self-discrediting [09:01] schestowitz more so if done after 2018 [09:01] CrystalMath i dislike github [09:01] CrystalMath i really dislike that ReactOS moved to there [09:01] CrystalMath in 2018, no less [09:01] CrystalMath that's when my contributions faded [09:02] oiaohm schestowitz: that there was on github before Microsoft took over that is from 2017. [09:02] oiaohm The reality that x86 cpus had hidden non documented instructions was known before we had meltdown and spectra. [09:03] CrystalMath schestowitz: i mean Trump really hasn't been acting like a republican at all, abortion is still legal, and now marijuana is too [09:03] oiaohm sel4 also has a hardware validation process and boy did a lot of arm chips fail. [09:04] oiaohm vZS1: basically Microcontroller datasheet is not good enough you need to be able to validate that the documentation on have been given is in fact right. [09:05] vZS1 oiaohm: > There's still hardware to worry about. [09:05] vZS1 In case you missed it [09:06] vZS1 There's no such thing as guaranteed security. Always different levels of risk. [09:06] oiaohm Doing sel4 stuff validation you go right down random sample destructive chip inspect. [09:07] oiaohm Along the way you find a lot of horrible. [09:09] oiaohm opcode documentation missing like that every 1 in a million operations the opcode is going to do something different to expected has turned up. [09:10] oiaohm vZS1: I agree there is no such thing of absolute guaranteed security. But there are a few things that will basically cook you ass 100 perecent of the time. One of those things is trusting that a vendors datasheet is 100 percent truthful. [09:11] oiaohm Mind you it may not be intentionally wrong it can be basic human error. [09:13] mjg59 Things like Spectre demonstrate that the datasheet is not adequate for this [09:13] mjg59 You can be 100% truthful and still not provide complete information [09:15] oiaohm Intel x86 cpu documentation before spectre was proven by tests like sandsifter to be not 100 percent truthful. [09:15] oiaohm Meltdown on particular platforms you could say is proof a truthful datasheet may not be good enough. [09:17] oiaohm powerpc if you read the datasheet carefully before Meltdown it documented the meltdown problem. [09:17] oiaohm Yet everyone basically missed it. [09:19] schestowitz [09:01] i really dislike that ReactOS moved to there [09:19] schestowitz but consider the objectives of the project [09:19] schestowitz treating a shitty OS like a role model [09:20] oiaohm Really after all the different MS people who have said reactos has copy infrignement I am supprised reactos is still there. [09:20] oiaohm As in Microsoft has not done anything. [09:21] oiaohm Mind you doing a DCMA would require showing hand. [09:21] schestowitz last I heard they even poached some devs [09:21] schestowitz way to kill off the project [09:21] oiaohm Attempting poach reactos developers have been going as long as reactos has existed. [09:22] oiaohm Exactly where else is Microsoft going to find developers with some skill doing maintaince work on NT class kernels. [09:22] oiaohm Its a very wrapped relationship between Microsoft and Reactos. 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Just saw that in my feed [13:40] *rodolphoeck (~rodolphoe@2a01:8b81:4802:1700:248d:c602:acdd:261b) has joined #techrights ● Nov 03 [14:01] *rodolphoeck has quit (Quit: Dun goofed) [14:05] *huggi (sid80718@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftmcspwirnkwoflj) has joined #techrights [14:09] *tr_guest|42438 (d4338531@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.51.133.49) has joined #techrights [14:09] tr_guest|42438 1 [14:09] *tr_guest|42438 has quit (Client Quit) [14:11] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [14:16] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:16] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [14:17] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [14:19] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [14:20] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [14:30] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/02/8e88678361ad1ddd.jpg [14:35] scientes MinceR, hahahahaha [14:36] scientes MinceR, https://entertainment.theonion.com/warcraft-sequel-lets-gamers-play-a-character-playing-wa-1819594788 [14:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-entertainment.theonion.com | 'Warcraft' Sequel Lets Gamers Play A Character Playing 'Warcraft' [14:37] MinceR :) [14:37] *inky (~inky@37.186.105.91) has joined #techrights [14:39] MinceR lol [14:42] Narrator well, simulatro of the simulator of the ... [14:42] schestowitz I still remember that one... [14:43] Narrator the rescue team who resue team who resue team ... 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[16:58] schestowitz soon [16:58] schestowitz www should be "legacy" ● Nov 03 [17:08] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top Video Editing Software for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143970 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e280772b-1cf2-4bf0-a728-b2d2c710e434] [17:18] XRevan86 https://morg.i.ng/objects/cfc8919c-7e94-4988-8950-05f2e4fd8c98 [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-morg.i.ng | Pleroma [17:56] liberty_box https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGn_rH7LejI [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Geese Parade in Belgium - YouTube ● Nov 03 [18:04] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Plasma 5.21 Top Upcoming Features and Release Date http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143878#comment-27029 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc0acdc0-7c41-4a36-ad41-ab23e986ac4f] [18:04] *tr_guest|81354 (5fb38f19@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.179.143.25) has joined #techrights [18:04] schestowitz hi, tr_guest|81354 [18:12] vZS1 Data structures, in general, should be designed for humans first. React, Flutter, etc are all cost management tools; they allow a company to hire monkeys to build pretty user interfaces for applications. That's about all they're good for. [18:14] vZS1 I subscribe to Knuth's principle that programs, in general, should be for humans to read first and computers to interpret later. [18:17] vZS1 Look at Bash and AWK. After all these decades, they are still relevant because they solve real problems in a way people can interpret easily. They operate on very simple data structures and you can do just about anything with them together. [18:17] schestowitz where did knuth say that? [18:17] schestowitz I find awk hard to read personally [18:17] schestowitz perl even harder [18:17] schestowitz without proficiency [18:18] schestowitz bash is universal enough in the syntax sense and cli, so if you do sysadmin stuff and know basic constructs, then you're fine following examples [18:19] schestowitz when incorporating awk I often just copy-paste a block in, as I can barely construct one myself, except the very basic kind [18:23] vZS1 Let us change our traditional attitude to the con-struction of programs: Instead of imagining that our main task is to instruct a computer what to do, let us concentrate rather on explaining to human beings what we want a computer to do. [18:23] XRevan86 vZS1: Let's call it functional programming. [18:23] XRevan86 Patent pending. [18:24] vZS1 That's the original quote [18:25] schestowitz XRevan86: no swpats for YOU! [18:25] schestowitz or maybe you meant trademark [18:25] vZS1 From SICP "Programs are meant to be read by humans and only incidentally for computers to execute" [18:26] XRevan86 vZS1: Somehow without context that Knuth said it it doesn't sound all that profound :D [18:26] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143971 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b6cd09e-33dc-4e69-8bbf-ee79613e8cbb] [18:26] vZS1 Same goes for HMTL and XML. smnthermes was on the money with the shit-storm all these frameworks cause. [18:27] vZS1 That's why I'm such a big fan of Raku. The language is meant for people. [18:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: Let's go with that, yea. [18:28] XRevan86 vZS1: I don't really agree, because Raku allows unnecessary variety that complicates the syntax. [18:28] MinceR if "Programs are meant to be read by humans and only incidentally for computers to execute" then it's no problem at all if they're full of bugs [18:29] XRevan86 Would be great if lawyers had the same sentiment. [18:31] vZS1 That's your opinion. (: [18:41] schestowitz IANAL-ANAL [18:42] schestowitz Talking anally to their clients, where the mouth is their back end [18:42] schestowitz what's known as "taking out of his/her arse" [18:42] schestowitz Trump has almost a literal rectum for mouth [18:42] schestowitz (as we pointed out by many before) [18:43] schestowitz and his mouth movements when he talks contribute to that [18:43] schestowitz Allegedly, according to disgraces reports, he also likes it when girls take the pi** [18:44] schestowitz and he means that literally [18:45] schestowitz bladder fetishes in the Gates mansion: http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/pee-gates/ [18:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Real Pee-gate Was on External (Portable) Media of Bill Gates Engineer, Arrested Over Pedophilia at the Gates Mansion | Techrights [18:45] schestowitz lots of footage of guys pissing [18:45] schestowitz some people apparently masturbate to such things, urination is something they perceive to be sexual [18:50] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kick Google Play Outside Your Smartphone With AuroraStore http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143972 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be68fa09-865e-4858-8090-ae25da5c6115] [18:50] *tr_guest|81354 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [18:55] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi 400 Is a Complete Desktop PC in a Keyboard http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143919#comment-27030 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6a818342-290d-485c-9751-051fbd0ac152] [18:58] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: On the youtube-dl DMCA Takedown http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143596#comment-27031 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ecbf71a9-eea9-4849-a224-b920bb4889db] ● Nov 03 [19:01] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Plasma System Monitor Preview Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143973 [https://pleroma.site/objects/103bf8f9-6aa6-4e8f-8d90-e1e83366c7f9] [19:01] Chaekyung damn http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ [19:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as Hush Money (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights [19:05] *tr_guest|81354 (25cce75e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.204.231.94) has joined #techrights [19:06] *tr_guest|81354 has quit (Client Quit) [19:28] vZS1 Chaekyung: read that earlier. Not surprised at all. [19:29] vZS1 The default option on Android is to store location history. That includes how long you've been in a certain location. [19:29] DaemonFC[m] I got my futon. [19:29] DaemonFC[m] Very nice. [19:30] vZS1 You can turn off the tracking in Google Maps settings. But ofc it's not a simple task with an easy-to-find button. [19:33] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: cool [19:33] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: what times do last polls close? [19:33] schestowitz I read 9am for ny [19:33] schestowitz and another place [19:33] schestowitz so I suppose that's where their counts start? [19:33] DaemonFC[m] Depends. 8 PM in Indiana I think. [19:33] DaemonFC[m] I voted early in Illinois. [19:33] schestowitz I read 90 million early votes [19:33] schestowitz that's like... wow [19:34] DaemonFC[m] 100 million actually. [19:34] schestowitz reinvents the whole concept of voting [19:34] schestowitz not everyone voting all at once [19:34] schestowitz but... covid [19:34] schestowitz I hope they arrest trump swiftly and firmly [19:34] schestowitz maybe December Surprise [19:34] schestowitz Get the Kushners and his sons also [19:35] schestowitz to sweeten xmas and make up for covid-mess [19:35] schestowitz I might even start watching TV for a change [19:35] schestowitz just for >that< [19:35] schestowitz oval office handcuffing [19:35] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Authoritarianism - Wikipedia [19:35] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you read a political article with me? [19:35] schestowitz it is a draft [19:36] DaemonFC[m] If it's quick. [19:36] DaemonFC[m] Total Early Votes: 100,978,567 [19:36] DaemonFC[m] So almost 101 million in so far. [19:37] DaemonFC[m] Count will go up because states have to count it if it arrives by election day although some let it arrive days later if it was postmarked by election day. [19:37] DaemonFC[m] So it'll go up after today too. [19:37] schestowitz I'm just adding 2 photos [19:37] schestowitz some states accept late arrivals [19:37] schestowitz I forgot which ones [19:37] schestowitz I think Pennsylvania is one [19:38] schestowitz Until week's end or something like that [19:38] DaemonFC[m] Illinois is postmarked by election day and arrives up to 14 days after. [19:38] DaemonFC[m] "Nationally, voters have cast 73.3% of the total votes counted in the 2016 general election." [19:38] *testjz (~thinkpad@185.44.146.85) has joined #techrights [19:38] DaemonFC[m] The school across the street is a polling place. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] Doesn't look too busy though. I think most people early voted. [19:40] *psydread has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:41] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/software-freedom-reforms/ [19:41] schestowitz quick... [19:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | If Mr. Biden Emerges as Preliminary/Tentative Winner | Techrights [19:43] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [19:43] DaemonFC[m] being bribe [19:43] schestowitz cheers [19:44] DaemonFC[m] and assume inauguration [19:44] DaemonFC[m] assuming [19:44] schestowitz thanks, corrected [19:44] DaemonFC[m] Well observes the situation [19:44] DaemonFC[m] observe [19:45] DaemonFC[m] Well, in a better world [19:45] DaemonFC[m] I'd jut say "In a better world" [19:45] vZS1 How early can you vote by post in the USA? [19:46] DaemonFC[m] Depends on the state. [19:46] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: thanks, made those 4 changes [19:46] vZS1 Ah [19:46] DaemonFC[m] Illinois starts mailing them 45 days before the election by law. [19:46] DaemonFC[m] I didn't get mine for so long that I just canceled it out and voted in person. [19:46] vZS1 Those postal votes might just be the deciding factor [19:47] DaemonFC[m] Probably. [19:47] DaemonFC[m] I voted all Democrats straight down the line and for the progressive tax amendment in Illinois. [19:47] vZS1 I remember reading about the Reps always trying to make it hard for people to vote [19:47] vZS1 Which makes sense [19:47] DaemonFC[m] The progressive tax would raise $1.6 billion per year for the state while reducing our state taxes (me and Mandy) by about 0.2 percentage points. [19:48] vZS1 If they can make this postal voting thing a common occurrence, it might just change the entire landscape [19:48] DaemonFC[m] In some states, all voting is by mail. [19:48] DaemonFC[m] Oregon and Utah have done it for a while now. [19:49] vZS1 Interesting [19:49] vZS1 So it shouldn't be that taboo to Trump [19:50] vZS1 I remember him making a big fuss about it not long ago [19:53] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: thanks for checking, now it is finalised [19:53] schestowitz Notice we never told people how to vote [19:54] schestowitz but strategically it's important not to add to the chaos when the results are being disputed [19:54] schestowitz (it would be also rather pointless) [19:54] vZS1 When are the results announced? [19:54] schestowitz people spent a lot of time pressuring HRC in 2016, assume she'd bag it easily [19:54] schestowitz and then the other monster took power, with 3 million voters fewer [19:54] schestowitz vZS1: January 20th ;-) [19:55] vZS1 Lmao [19:55] schestowitz until then assume some "very fine people" can "do a JFK" [19:55] schestowitz with tweets appoving [19:55] schestowitz "LIBERATE DC!!!" -Trump [19:56] vZS1 > schestowitz: and then the other monster took power, with 3 million voters fewer [19:56] schestowitz I need to renews my strongswan key [19:56] schestowitz my colleagues are too lazy to lift a finger [19:56] schestowitz and it's already expired [19:56] vZS1 [19:59] Narrator proper way is to raise tax:) [19:59] Narrator https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1319517458756153345 [19:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@richimedhurst: Lmao whoever made this, on point. https://t.co/BdRTreaH6D [19:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@richimedhurst: Lmao whoever made this, on point. https://t.co/BdRTreaH6D ● Nov 03 [20:05] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Chromium Browser (Deb) Now Available to Install via Linux Mint 20 Repository http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143915#comment-27032 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a8ddf4f8-68d5-4d07-8d57-fb5d02924073] [20:07] schestowitz Narrator: seems right [20:07] schestowitz we wrote some things to that effect before [20:07] schestowitz e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ [20:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away Peoples Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb in Peace) | Techrights [20:10] vZS1 I think you should do a monthly reminder for people to not throw away old computers and laptops [20:11] vZS1 Even smartphones [20:11] -e-[global notice] Hi all--we'll be taking services down for some brief maintenance in around 15 minutes' time. Expected downtime is less than 10 minutes, during which time ChanServ will be unavailable, so you may wish to op yourself in your channels beforehand. Sorry for any inconvenience! [20:14] schestowitz [16:54] [Notice] -viera to #techrights- Tux Machines: Dont Exchange or Sell Your Old Laptops, Install Linux Lite Instead http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143969 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ed3d9ca9-bfeb-4a55-b366-1aae147ade9d] [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dont Exchange or Sell Your Old Laptops, Install Linux Lite Instead | Tux Machines [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [20:19] vZS1 That's what I saw before making my comment [20:19] vZS1 We need more of that [20:20] vZS1 I was in the Raku IRC a while ago. We had a good discussion about the dangers of GitHub. [20:20] schestowitz I use an old laptop at the moment [20:20] vZS1 Looks like they're evaluating GitLab now [20:20] schestowitz it plays yewtube (no typo) videos in the the background [20:21] schestowitz GitLab isn't ideal either [20:21] vZS1 I have loads of old units [20:21] schestowitz their dual licensing game [20:21] vZS1 I know [20:21] vZS1 But I tried my best [20:21] schestowitz they can also be sold [20:21] schestowitz heck, Microsoft can buy them too [20:21] schestowitz more so if Trump is reelectd [20:21] schestowitz he shills for MSFT [20:21] schestowitz "antitrust" is what he calls companies that don't trust him [20:22] vZS1 Lol [20:22] schestowitz he accused Google of anti-trump [20:22] schestowitz for indexing and ranking popular articles about him [20:22] schestowitz Hitler would have hates Google :-) [20:22] schestowitz "jew ENGINE!!!" -Hitler [20:22] schestowitz *hated [20:23] vZS1 Whatever the case, the move away from GitHub has to happen [20:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Linux 5.10, LINSTOR and Bootlin http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143974 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bb2bcbc4-755d-4d59-b0f9-50adc674e46c] [20:24] schestowitz When Trump met Microsoft (video) http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/racism-is-money-for-microsoft/ [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Genius Microsoft Says Its Against Racism So It Therefore Must be True | Techrights [20:25] Narrator Hitler likes IBM;-) [20:25] schestowitz liked. He died. [20:25] schestowitz IBM is still alive. [20:25] Narrator well mainframe IBM [20:25] schestowitz Now IBM luuurves black people [20:25] schestowitz they have a new campaign, it's called emb(RACE) and it features Jamaica-themed colours [20:25] Narrator closuds are not differ than mainframes [20:26] schestowitz the people it worked to sterilise a century ago [20:26] Narrator ... clouds ... [20:26] schestowitz IBM Cloudframe [20:26] vZS1 Clown computing [20:26] schestowitz sounds like ClownFlare [20:26] schestowitz Clown Clowputing [20:26] vZS1 Clouds basically run off mainframes [20:27] Narrator clown computing - mainframe pretending to be personal computers;-) [20:28] Narrator ... with 0% privacy [20:28] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ [20:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMs Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights [20:29] Narrator btw Hitler would like Clouds [20:29] vZS1 The problem is the lack of admin knowledge a typical dev today has. 20 years ago, programmers could run their own server. [20:29] Narrator do we need real programmers or admins anymore ? [20:30] Narrator we have no inovation economics [20:30] vZS1 That's the issue. I'm working on an education project atm. It's slow but I've had success so far. [20:30] vZS1 And I drop in to IRCs like this when I can to help out [20:31] vZS1 I've been with TR here because there really needs to be more support for sharp journalism [20:31] Narrator monopolies need preserve their ownership of technology [20:31] Narrator they don't need any new ideas [20:32] schestowitz vZS1: covid killed what was left of it [20:32] schestowitz groklaw is offline [20:32] schestowitz for over a week now it seems [20:32] schestowitz so it might not be coming back, ever [20:32] vZS1 Humanity has been through worse. We just need unity and to chip away at it gradually [20:32] schestowitz I don't know who in ibiblio to contact [20:32] schestowitz doing a post about it being down without even inquiring re cause would be pointless and counterproductive [20:33] vZS1 Yeah. You need direct contact and collaboration [20:33] schestowitz groklaw became a static sitre [20:33] schestowitz partly or only [20:33] schestowitz not clear which [20:33] schestowitz not it's just broken [20:33] vZS1 That's how I helped a certain project at the beginning of this year. Then I had to vanish for a few months. But the job was done. [20:33] schestowitz 500 status on all reqs [20:33] schestowitz someone should contact to ask what happened [20:33] schestowitz this is why we did the deposition tapes [20:34] schestowitz we saw sites of the server starting to have issues [20:34] schestowitz *sighs [20:34] schestowitz *signs even [20:34] vZS1 I don't know anything about said site [20:34] schestowitz groklaw.net? [20:34] vZS1 Yeah [20:34] schestowitz did not hear about it? [20:34] schestowitz wow [20:34] schestowitz you must be new in free sw then [20:35] vZS1 Never really paid much attention to things that weren't to do with code. [20:36] vZS1 What is groklaw about? [20:36] vZS1 Was even [20:38] schestowitz see wikipedia [20:38] schestowitz for good intro [20:39] Narrator excuse for software patents;-) [20:39] vZS1 Will give a look now [20:42] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Plasma System Monitor is a Modern System Stats App for KDE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143973#comment-27034 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3b9dc48c-2bd3-4b9b-9577-bac6a60c8382] [20:44] vZS1 On the Wikipedia it says PJ gave it up because of surveillance. That's a shame. [20:45] vZS1 Someone could have advised her on how to use end-to-end encryption. [20:46] Narrator :D [20:46] *inky (~inky@46.241.136.241) has joined #techrights [20:46] Narrator vZS1: on internet ??? This is not possible [20:47] Narrator it's like to plan a revolutions at the police station [20:47] vZS1 People have been using OpenPGP over the internet for over a decade. And not only for emails. Even homebrew private chat servers. [20:48] vZS1 This is nothing new [20:48] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CNCF Statement on the Passing of Dan Kohn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143929#comment-27036 [https://pleroma.site/objects/44ed3eaa-1760-403f-93e2-4ee9ffecef8c] [20:49] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:50] Narrator well, as Snowden say "all clients are compromised" [20:50] vZS1 That's why you build your own [20:50] Narrator on what hardware? [20:51] vZS1 I'm not going down that hole again [20:51] Narrator you build own hardware ?;-) [20:52] vZS1 Even the NSA have leaks [20:52] Narrator do ... [20:52] Narrator exactly ... [20:52] vZS1 Does that mean people will throw away everything? That's just stupidity [20:53] Narrator well [20:53] vZS1 So I'm going to leave it there [20:53] schestowitz [20:45] Someone could have advised her on how to use end-to-end encryption. [20:53] schestowitz She did not want to use it with me [20:53] schestowitz I urged her several times [20:53] schestowitz she sometimes used "Mac" [20:53] Narrator i have it 's good net to share cats' picture [20:53] schestowitz I sent her thousands of mails [20:53] vZS1 schestowitz: you sure have a lot of security "experts" around here. [20:53] schestowitz iirc, her explanation was that encryption would attract attention [20:53] schestowitz A [20:54] Narrator it's safe for that but i am not sure [20:54] schestowitz A PECULIAR THING TO SAY WHEN YOU RUN A PUBLIC SITE :-) [20:54] vZS1 Another person to add to the ignore list [20:54] schestowitz vZS1: well, some don't agree it would be worth explaining to Windows users how to do encryption [20:55] Narrator security if form of tagging ... [20:55] schestowitz unless or until they leave windows [20:55] vZS1 > schestowitz: A PECULIAR THING TO SAY WHEN YOU RUN A PUBLIC SITE :-) [20:55] vZS1 Exactly what I thought [20:55] Narrator like "delete" informations in clouds ;-) [20:55] schestowitz mark as deleted [20:55] schestowitz nobody would notice NOW [20:55] Narrator schestowitz: exactly [20:56] schestowitz take that, Keith Alexander? [20:56] *testjz has quit (Quit: leaving) [20:56] schestowitz Keith? [20:56] schestowitz Keith? [20:56] schestowitz Oh [20:56] schestowitz He's in Amazon now [20:56] schestowitz THe Broad of Directors! [20:56] schestowitz Commandeering/commanding Alexa and other "fun toys" [20:57] Chaekyung So you go on a date. You go home with your date and you see a Alexa next to the bed [20:57] Chaekyung do you still bed the date or leave? [20:58] Chaekyung I'm assuming you get that far and it doesn't end early with "Want to Netflix and chill?" "I don't have Netflix" [20:58] Narrator 8. Siri [20:58] Narrator Yes, that Siri. Apples digital virtual assistant started life as a DARPA project in the early 2000s, known as CALO ostensibly an acronym for Cognitive Assistant that Learns and Organizes, but also a nod to the Latin word for a soldiers servant. [20:58] Narrator https://www.itpro.co.uk/technology/34730/10-amazing-darpa-inventions [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | 10 amazing DARPA inventions: how they were made and what happened to them | IT PRO [20:58] Narrator well, probably alexa start the same way [20:59] vZS1 schestowitz: someone is bound to have archives of groklaw [20:59] Narrator buy your own wiretap and install it yourself ● Nov 03 [21:00] vZS1 I'll do some digging. I know some archiving outfits. [21:03] vZS1 schestowitz: do you know when it went 500? [21:03] schestowitz [20:57] do you still bed the date or leave? [21:03] schestowitz You date alexa instead [21:03] schestowitz in the toilets [21:03] schestowitz down she goes [21:03] schestowitz "oops" [21:04] schestowitz [21:03] schestowitz: do you know when it went 500? [21:04] schestowitz Google Cache last got a copy Oct 24th [21:04] vZS1 That's not long ago [21:04] schestowitz [09:47] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): #google has not been able to even reach #groklaw for over a week http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gxYlyqOgkcAJ:www.groklaw.net/+ does anyone know the #ibiblio maintainer? [https://pleroma.site/objects/cb43fdc3-14bf-4662-83f6-910a77e329d0] [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | Groklaw - Digging for Truth [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [21:05] schestowitz the internet archive is partial for it [21:05] schestowitz one of us checked (fig) [21:05] vZS1 I would volunteer to help them but sadly I've only got time for one project [21:06] vZS1 And this is going to take me until Christmas to finish [21:08] *inky (~inky@46.241.136.241) has joined #techrights [21:12] schestowitz we cannot mirror these is the site comes back online [21:13] schestowitz or without asking those who maintain it [21:13] vZS1 There are archivers out there that archive everything [21:14] vZS1 If interest to them at least [21:14] vZS1 Of* [21:14] vZS1 I wasn't going to do a mirror. If I had time to help it would be with operational support [21:15] vZS1 I dropped a message to one such archiving group. I'll let you know if I hear anything back. [21:16] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian: Google Rant and Fast Connection at Home http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143975 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7401a453-8816-4973-9b54-c0cc9c53d8c6] [21:17] schestowitz cheers [21:17] schestowitz they might know that site [21:19] vZS1 Nw [21:19] vZS1 Yeah. That's what I'm hoping for [21:19] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi panel PCs upgrade to CM3+ and expand to a half dozen models http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143976 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4d3834b9-696d-4017-bfcc-d466f9af9d6a] [21:22] vZS1 I've been making regular pulls of all the important crypto repos out there [21:23] vZS1 And distributing it to everyone willing to receive a compressed tarball [21:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NVIDIA Jetson Nano 2GB Brings Machine Learning Power To A Raspberry Pi Price Point http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143977 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cfc8fd01-323f-4613-aa37-e9aa935545ca] [21:25] vZS1 nettle, libgcrypt, and gnupg are the three big ones. [21:26] vZS1 I keep up with the dev of those three almost daily anyway so it's kind of regular routine [21:26] *ChanServ has quit (shutting down) [21:27] vZS1 sequioapgp is another one. That's new [21:28] schestowitz https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/ [21:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UEFA Champions League | UEFA.com [21:28] schestowitz Liverpool 5-0 [21:29] schestowitz Man City across the road here only 1-0 still [21:29] vZS1 vs? [21:29] vZS1 Don't keep up with the footy much [21:29] schestowitz see page [21:30] vZS1 Atalanta [21:32] schestowitz brb hot brew [21:32] *ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined #techrights [21:32] *beckett.freenode.net gives channel operator status to ChanServ [21:33] vZS1 Good idea [21:33] vZS1 Brb too [21:35] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:43] Narrator https://twitter.com/ThePSF/status/1148664871501869059 - complementary to simpy ;-) [21:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ThePSF: SimuPy: A Python Framework for Modeling and Simulating Dynamical Systems by Benjamin Margolis - https://t.co/NyUOj6GPFP [21:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ThePSF: SimuPy: A Python Framework for Modeling and Simulating Dynamical Systems by Benjamin Margolis - https://t.co/NyUOj6GPFP [21:44] Narrator simpy is for discrete systems only [21:46] schestowitz Oh, I see [21:51] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: HBO Max quietly restored service to Linux users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143978 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80ea8f42-b15a-41ab-a627-8a3e279efd77] [21:53] schestowitz Man. City [21:53] schestowitz Manchester City FC [21:53] schestowitz 3-0 [21:53] schestowitz Olympiacos [21:53] schestowitz yay, across the road from us [21:53] schestowitz can't hear chants [21:54] schestowitz no people in the stadium [21:56] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Panfrost, AMD and NVIDIA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143979 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5244c94e-d263-4794-b5b2-2ea393c4f1ed] ● Nov 03 [22:02] *TTwrs (~TTwrs@c-67-169-185-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [22:03] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143980 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f87b81d7-00ea-4c38-b010-0cdb7cf99b11] [22:07] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: Vifm Vim Plugin, S for Search and ledger2beancount http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143981 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5a34f761-95b0-49a6-8782-b2828561b32b] [22:09] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: when will >some< states start releasing >some< result data? [22:09] schestowitz or: are they any exit polls anywhere yet? Are they allowed to publish yet? [22:09] schestowitz I am extremely curious [22:10] schestowitz but "the news" (so-called 'news' sites) are all noise, no raw data [22:11] schestowitz we can even remark on technical aspects of the election [22:11] schestowitz to maybe shape public views on key aspects [22:12] schestowitz e.g. Iowa http://techrights.org/2016/02/01/microsoft-infiltrates-us-politics/ [22:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Infiltrates Politics and Can Engage in Election Fraud in Iowa Right Now | Techrights [22:14] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora, IBM, Red Hat: New Reviews of Fedora 33 and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143982 [https://pleroma.site/objects/771a1a89-9d85-4c24-bc66-fc660c37327c] [22:18] schestowitz https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54794198 [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Twitter hides Trump mail voting tweet ahead of polling day - BBC News [22:18] schestowitz photo of a rectum on a man showing a hole [22:18] schestowitz wtf [22:18] schestowitz this is bbc [22:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: Where? [22:19] XRevan86 Do you mean Trump? [22:20] schestowitz look at the photo [22:20] schestowitz with some editing skills in gimp you could make a point [22:36] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143983 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6b7416b8-1893-4546-a617-31eff853b19d] [22:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Free Software Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143984 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a9736fc0-cfb6-49cc-81f7-b21bfdf7e85d] [22:40] vZS1 schestowitz: I heard back from the archivists [22:41] vZS1 They told me to check archive.org as it has stuff on it [22:43] schestowitz it is not complete, I heard... [22:44] vZS1 schestowitz: https://web.archive.org/web/collections/20200701000000*/groklaw.net [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine [22:44] vZS1 Better than nothing [22:46] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Distros: Absolute64, OpenMandriva, and Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143985 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9e78cd84-bb44-416a-89f2-31c0f5d95bd2] [22:48] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143986 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7384d1be-ca3d-4e07-a612-3ca75a64428a] [22:48] vZS1 I think that's what the ibiblio people are using anyway [22:49] vZS1 I used to know an individual that had archives better than a lot of three-letter agencies but said individual isn't in that group anymore. :( [22:49] vZS1 I'll let you know if I get any more info from that archivist group [22:50] vZS1 I helped them out with a really big project so they're very accommodating to my requests [22:50] *TTwrs has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:51] schestowitz the domain is registered for another 2 years [22:51] schestowitz if this is "what the ibiblio people are using anyway" then why has it been down for so long? [22:52] vZS1 Ask them that question, not me [22:52] vZS1 I just checked and archive.org has as API. So if they had someone who knows what they're doing, the only issue should be the API usage limits. [22:52] schestowitz I don't know how to contact them [22:52] schestowitz or who to contact [22:53] schestowitz this is how this whole topic started [22:53] vZS1 an* [22:53] schestowitz worth urging them to fix it [22:53] schestowitz if they know who the archivist is [22:54] schestowitz TR links to tons of Groklaw URLs [22:54] schestowitz The lack of a working address can weaken impact [22:54] schestowitz lots of original docs [22:54] schestowitz and leaks etc. [22:54] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 3/11/2020: HBO DRM on Linux, New Plasma System Monitor, Absolute64 Has Release http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/hbo-drm-on-linux/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ae8dfed-9970-4bf1-aab4-279b18ea09c5] [22:55] Narrator well, looks like biden going to win ... time to get back to afgan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuQkYSriaKc ;-) [22:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Booty Dance - YouTube [22:55] vZS1 I'll see what I can organise [22:55] schestowitz Microsoft must be sniffing coke at the news of Groklaw being down [22:55] schestowitz they can carry on with their lying campaign, "loves Linix" [22:55] schestowitz *Linux [22:57] vZS1 Pragmatic solution would be to algorithmically fix the broken links by linking to the archive.org URLs [22:57] vZS1 Wordpress has an API [22:57] schestowitz or fix the original site [22:57] schestowitz much better [22:57] vZS1 That's a much bigger project [22:58] schestowitz it worked until recently [22:58] schestowitz something broke [22:58] schestowitz fixing it might be very easy like DC check [22:58] schestowitz I meant DB [22:58] schestowitz it uses geeklog and has static front end now [22:58] vZS1 I got 503 error [22:59] schestowitz it might be just a DB service down, up [22:59] schestowitz maybe a reboot can sort it out, even though it's not needed ● Nov 03 [23:00] vZS1 Problem is we have no established contact [23:00] vZS1 To the admin [23:01] vZS1 And this stinks of foul play [23:03] schestowitz maybe ask around [23:03] schestowitz they can check [23:03] schestowitz they have connections to such staff [23:04] vZS1 I'll see what I can do [23:04] schestowitz PJ would have appreciated that [23:04] schestowitz afaik she's still alive, just very old [23:05] vZS1 The archive pages all have archive.org links btw [23:05] vZS1 That means you'd be able to just match hrefs [23:05] schestowitz her main wish was that her work would remain online [23:05] schestowitz she did a post about it before the first time she left [23:06] schestowitz IA isn't helping much [23:06] schestowitz it's hard to find corresponding pages [23:06] schestowitz most people would never bother [23:07] schestowitz Internet rot is prospering during covid19 [23:07] schestowitz groklaw has more important articles than ours [23:07] schestowitz with documents only groklaw published [23:07] schestowitz and got from insiders [23:10] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:10] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:12] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:13] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [23:13] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux-driven 4K camera SoC targets the low-power AI edge http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143987 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9d9c6882-4e23-44ac-9da7-b0afbc8d5ca0] [23:15] vZS1 schestowitz: I've got people looking into it. [23:15] vZS1 I'll let you know how things progress. [23:19] schestowitz cheers [23:21] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Ubuntu Preinstalled Laptops http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143988 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #News [https://pleroma.site/objects/c72ff33b-6897-408e-9a0b-d410ff741850] [23:29] schestowitz I will mention this in a post in a few minutes [23:30] schestowitz vZS1: you may not understand how important that is [23:30] schestowitz they operated from 2003-2013 [23:30] schestowitz and were THE "go to" place for such matters [23:39] vZS1 Yeah. I don't really know the gravity of the situation. This is not my home turf [23:40] schestowitz can you check http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/groklaw-offline/ [23:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Groklaw Down for ~10 Days Now, Techrights Investigates Ways to Bring This Essential Site Back Online | Techrights [23:40] schestowitz I have not proofread it yet [23:40] vZS1 Reading now [23:41] schestowitz https://www.google.com/search?q=groklaw&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=techrights.org&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2Ftechrights-search.png%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F% [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groklaw site:techrights.org - Google Search [23:41] schestowitz 2Fschestowitz.com%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en [23:41] schestowitz this might explain some background [23:41] vZS1 You should post the archive.org link I sent [23:42] vZS1 At least people can read a lot of it from there [23:42] schestowitz maybe once we know what happened [23:42] schestowitz maybe it'll be back by tomorr [23:42] schestowitz *tomorrow [23:42] vZS1 No idea [23:43] vZS1 Post looks fine btw. I'd just include an archive.org link. I'm reading a lot of the stuff on there now. Pretty damning [23:44] vZS1 I think you can just use the archive.org links when you want to reference groklaw in a new article. At least that way people can see the original content [23:45] schestowitz I will add that [23:45] vZS1 I think the archive.org links are static [23:49] schestowitz they are [23:49] schestowitz groklaw isn't configure to redirect [23:49] schestowitz with a UK gov site we once worked on redirections [23:49] schestowitz old links [23:49] schestowitz to the National Archives [23:49] schestowitz and those worked [23:49] schestowitz it would use the APIs to check for corresponding addresses [23:50] schestowitz before giving up and spewing error pages [23:50] schestowitz I actually did a lot of the work on that [23:53] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: On November 3rd 2020, EmmaDE3 1.03 focuses on the reuse for all! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143989 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be8cf4eb-486f-4c88-a30b-cecf90fcaf33] [23:54] schestowitz vZS1: since you've mentioned reuse ^^^ [23:55] vZS1 That's a nice project [23:59] vZS1 I'm going to head to bed now. Don't know if I'll be on tomorrow but I'll drop by if I can. Tc [23:59] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-031120.txt

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