●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 01, 2020 ●● ● Nov 01 [00:00] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: ping [00:01] schestowitz I got an answer back [00:01] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Am around but not wholly awake [00:01] schestowitz would sftp access suit you, chrooted? [00:01] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: ok, speak later then [00:01] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Yeah. Tomorrow morning is a better time [00:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Many Features of the KDE Plasma 5.21 Desktop Environment http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143878 [https://pleroma.site/objects/56f97c0e-0a27-4d45-973f-6446e61a1b4b] [00:46] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Free Software Reports From Fedora, Arch Linux, and Debian http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143879 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1eb58f7a-ba9e-4005-bd75-b3fb45c4b60e] [00:54] *Glyphie44___ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [00:55] *Glyphie44___ (sid163528@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-neomawzvlvhbhmst) has joined #techrights ● Nov 01 [01:00] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [01:01] schestowitz ewww... snaps [01:01] schestowitz https://snapcraft.io/install/gopher-yujinrobot/centos [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-snapcraft.io | Install gopher-yujinrobot on CentOS using the Snap Store | Snapcraft [01:02] schestowitz the leading person of snaps left some weeks ago, iirc [01:02] schestowitz putting gopherd on centos would not be simple [01:03] schestowitz http://gofish.sourceforge.net/ [01:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gofish.sourceforge.net | GoFish Gopher Server [01:03] schestowitz anyone has experience with this one? [01:03] schestowitz not updated for ages [01:04] schestowitz "Last modified: Sun Dec 15 20:11:42 EST 2002" [01:04] schestowitz wow [01:04] schestowitz https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=gopher&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org | gopher(1) [01:04] schestowitz " [01:05] schestowitz The Internet Gopher(tm) software anddocumentation is copyright (c) [01:05] schestowitz 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 by the Universityof Minnesota. [01:05] schestowitz " [01:05] schestowitz Ancient stuff [01:05] schestowitz need to research this further before tinkering and maybe breaking something on production [01:05] schestowitz we don't have a live test server [01:06] schestowitz Ariadne: do you have gopher experience from the pleroma work of laine (iirc the name correctly)? [01:06] schestowitz we wonder how simple it would be to serve static over the same domain with gopher:// [01:06] schestowitz we now have daily text-only bulletins for the site, generated after midnight [01:07] schestowitz no html in there, so gopher would not moan, it would be identical [01:07] oiaohm the bad news is gopher these days gets nuked by some ISP networks filters. [01:08] oiaohm its the need for port 70. [01:09] schestowitz so some isps would port-block it? [01:09] schestowitz what's the logic? [01:09] schestowitz it's not harmful, is it? [01:09] schestowitz and few use programs that can make sense of such transmissions regardless [01:10] oiaohm Its when they setup their port blocks different services they screwed up and of course they don't test if gopher works. [01:11] oiaohm Mind you the number of gopher servers out there is growing. [01:11] oiaohm slowly but growing. [01:11] *brendyyn (~brendyyn@124-169-130-64.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrights [01:13] oiaohm schestowitz: I am not saying don't setup a gopher server just be aware due to small market share you can have some issues with ISP filters. This can mean you can have people complaining they can connect one day and not the next all depending on what route they get though the internet. [01:14] oiaohm Of course gopher without people adding servers will never grow enough market share for ISPs to class it as important. 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[10:49] schestowitz morning [10:49] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Good morning [10:49] schestowitz so... I spoke to an associate [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > I think the idea of educating the public about PKI is very important. [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > It's something that TR ought to help with somehow and the proposal is [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > quite timely and worthy. I worry about the choice of platform though. [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > In general, my position that Windows use should neither be accepted nor [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > condoned for any purpose has only hardened over the years as I have had [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > more time to observe it [1] and think. Above all it is an ineffectual [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > platform for teaching and instruction, so while a tutorial on PKI might [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > be better than nothing the Windows component will be a very heavy [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > liability which is likely to prevent achieving any teaching objective. [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > However, I agree strongly with the goal otherwise. It is also a problem [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > that neither the Crypto Wars II and Software Patents which warrant the [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > severity of the [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > As for the hands-on aspects of learning, I strongly agree with that [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > approach. While computer science, actual science, can be (and probably [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > should) taught very well with paper and pencil exclusively, actually [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > doing something to apply knowledge that can help with the education very [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > much. Since this is 2020 and not 1980 I have to point out that two or [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > more different implementations and platforms have to be used, otherwise [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > it is not education but training and that would not be useful for [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > promoting understanding at a level necessary for dealing with the [10:50] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > abstractions the proposed laws claim to be addressing. [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > So if the target is Windows users, I don't know what to say. Getting [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > them to use a second platform, even in a VM, will raise the learning [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > curve psychologically beyond the threshold of what many will tolerate. [10:50] schestowitz [22:40] > Besides with Windows as a host, the guest won't get used, all the time [10:51] schestowitz [22:40] > will be spent dorking around with the host system's shortcomings. Yet, [10:51] schestowitz [22:40] > I see introduction of a second platform there as a necessary first step. [10:51] schestowitz [22:40] > Dual booting is out, but a third option, that of live images might be [10:51] schestowitz [22:40] > ok. The image can be streamlined for the task with the necessary [10:51] schestowitz [22:40] > components preinstalled and, maybe also, preconfigured. [10:51] schestowitz /fin [10:51] schestowitz now, my question is, what would directly access be used for and how? [10:54] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Re: the whole windows thing. The reality is most people use Windows. I'm taking a pragmatic approach with this project. Education of the public rapidly is a bigger priority than OS concerns rn. It's going to be hard enough to get people to spend time on the project before adding more overhead of material. [10:55] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Censorship by #Microsoft at Medium and Other Web Sites (to Cover Up or Hide Microsofts Misconduct) http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/covering-up-microsoft-misconduct/ #Techrights [https://pleroma.site/objects/6478b323-f41b-43a3-a813-a4d4a10484a5] [10:56] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: makes sense [10:56] schestowitz is it pdf-formatted? [10:56] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Yes [10:56] schestowitz for universality (no docx :-) ) [10:56] schestowitz "get your Office licence and encrypt :-)" [10:57] schestowitz I always get a kick out of 'clown'-based 'encrypted' email [10:57] schestowitz with no browser plugins for private keys or similar mechanism [10:57] schestowitz or if you can remember MEGA [10:57] schestowitz when kim dotcom ran it [10:58] schestowitz later the farce of MEGA 'privacy' become more farcical [10:58] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Re: direct access. I was going to ask the same question myself. You can an `echo "help_item" >> /path/to/my/tasks` and I can see what I can do. [10:58] schestowitz BTW, we're in front page of hackernews at the moment [10:58] schestowitz this page http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [10:58] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx What did you do to achieve that? lol [10:58] schestowitz I ought to check who/where... to see comments [10:59] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:59] schestowitz found something. I think that's the one (there may be more): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24957702 [10:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Microsoft and the NSA | Hacker News [10:59] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights ● Nov 01 [11:00] schestowitz " [11:00] schestowitz It's fun to see a more old school style website, in both the sense of presentation and content. Go techrights. [11:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/?stories [11:00] schestowitz " [11:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom [11:00] schestowitz Hacker News is usually hostile towards hacker culture, IME [11:00] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx IME? [11:02] schestowitz in my experience [11:02] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Ah [11:02] schestowitz I don't know if the comment above was satirical [11:02] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Brb making tea [11:02] schestowitz but my personal site is 2002 style [11:02] *drdogcow has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [11:02] schestowitz when it was last set for style or templates [11:02] schestowitz techrights 2006 [11:02] schestowitz and now falling back on text only, utf8 [11:02] schestowitz no shame in it [11:03] *drdogcow (~drunkendo@gateway/tor-sasl/drunkendogcowm/x-45413332) has joined #techrights [11:03] schestowitz in fact, I think there's a growing 'niche' of people who appreciate not having to go to some google site for megabytes of FONTS just to read one single article [11:03] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx ping me about `serveez` when I'm back. [11:03] schestowitz kk [11:06] schestowitz https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFilterNews/comments/jlzdw1/hacker_news_microsoft_and_the_nsa/ [11:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Hacker News: Microsoft and the NSA : NoFilterNews [11:09] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Arch Linuxs ISO Is Now Powered by Linux Kernel 5.9, Offers New Accessibility Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143887 [https://pleroma.site/objects/235bf98d-3e44-41fc-86e6-15a821976a9d] [11:20] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Alright. Back [11:20] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx So this serveez thing ties in with your old-school website idea [11:21] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I was evaluating a lot of different programming languages and I came to a conclusion [11:21] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx To take back control of the web we really need to be able to do 2 things. Have a distributed infrastructure (read IPFS) and be able to run our operations on low-resource servers. [11:22] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Raku and all the other high level programming languages are too heavy [11:22] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I've been doing up some reading and Guile is a sweet spot between abstraction and performance. It's easy to write as well because of the LISP syntax [11:22] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Now where `serveez` comes in is that it's a great reference implementation for things like HTTP, IRC, etc. [11:23] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx And `serveez` is in Guile. My whole idea is to build a system where we serve very simple pages that are generated algorithmically and are optimized for operation with IPFS and IRC. [11:24] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That way anyone can just buy a cheap Raspberry Pi and have their own operation up and running. It would also allow people to easily support P2P content of projects they like or collaborate with. [11:24] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx A nice thing about IPFS is that it gets rid of DNS which is one of the key spying technologies of the web today [11:25] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx If you give me a chroot environment with a couple hundred megabytes of disk, I should be able to get IPFS up and running for you with podman. And all sorts of other things as well. [11:26] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Right now, we face the problem that CMS are too heavy. That bloat is what's holding a lot of projects back. [11:27] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx In the past, computers with much less memory and CPU were powering multi-billion transaction scales [11:28] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Everything I'm working on now is tied in to low-powered hardware. All my stuff can run on a single Raspberry Pi on its tiny SD card. [11:28] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx External storage is as simple as just adding a USB HDD. [11:30] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx All my work is going to be AGPLv3 to prevent tivoization and SAASi\ation [11:30] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx SAASization* [11:31] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx And we already have GnuPG. We can easily build authentication systems around that with some wrapper scripts. GnuPG runs on embedded devices just fine. [11:33] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx And I've come to the decision that only two languages will be used, whenever possible: Guile and C. [11:34] *tr_guest|77143 (5b40394c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.64.57.76) has joined #techrights [11:34] *tr_guest|77143 has quit (Client Quit) [11:35] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx schestowitz: would appreciate if you could archive this snippet, for future reference. [11:35] schestowitz it islogged [11:35] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Oh yeah. Forgot [11:36] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx We should still keep things like the Wiki around, though. I didn't even know Techrights has a wiki. [11:37] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I've got one big project that has to do with security but I'm not going to reveal that until there is a working prototype. When it's done, Techrights will be the first to know. [11:38] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You can gleam some hints from the urgent email I sent you a while ago. [11:45] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx "with IPFS and IRC" I meant "and RSS"* [11:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx RSS/Atom is crucial for us as well because it allows privacy-respecting consumption of notifications. And people will appreciate not having their inbox spammed with notifications. [11:47] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [11:50] schestowitz what does "inbox" mean these days/ [11:50] schestowitz when there are several concept of "push notifications"? [11:50] schestowitz I read about there being some "open-source" ones [11:51] schestowitz whatever that means, I'm not familiar with how those protocols work, I assume periodic polling or pushes from the server side to the phones antenna-connected (tower) coprocessor [11:51] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It's the pub/sub model [11:51] schestowitz publish/subs? [11:51] schestowitz like you publish and then it pushes out to people? [11:51] schestowitz rather than them polling for updates when none exist? [11:51] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You have a publisher server and subscriber devices/clients [11:52] schestowitz (I suppose with mobile bandwidth and battery life are a bigger factor) [11:52] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx So a subscriber registers with a publisher to "subscribe" to certain content. Publishers can separate content into different streams. If a client is subscribed to a particular stream, if data is "pushed" in that stream, the subscriber will "pull" it. [11:53] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's essentially what things like Apache Kafka do. [11:53] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Whereas RSS/Atom is more on a polling model. Publishers just update their content and clients periodically visit to see if there's anything new. [11:54] schestowitz I installed kafka on my laptop [11:54] schestowitz it's as boring as f [11:55] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It's a bunch of Java bloat. lol [11:55] schestowitz yeah [11:55] schestowitz for something very simple [11:56] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Indeed. It's ridiculously simple to implement. [11:56] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Main reason it's popular is that it just became a standard. People shouldn't underestimate the power of turnkey solutions. [11:56] schestowitz didn't see why I even needed to download a massive s/w package for it [11:56] schestowitz unix pipes can accomplish a lot, e.g. passwordless rsync/ssh remote commands [11:58] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx pub/sub is basically just having a bunch of clients listening to a server for updates. [11:58] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It's literally that simple [11:59] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You can implement a cache as well, to allow a system of ACK to make sure people don't miss things. [11:59] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx D-Bus is also pub/sub model [11:59] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx But I don't really know details. It's outside my security niche ● Nov 01 [12:06] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Another big thing is that we should all be using UDP more. TCP is incredibly heavy and wholly unnecessary for a lot of things. [12:06] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Implementing an ACK system over UDP is so simple. [12:06] schestowitz UDP is still being used [12:06] schestowitz it's reliable enough for some things [12:06] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I know but the web still runs on TCP [12:06] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx UDP being unreliable is a lie [12:07] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You can always keep polling for an ACK [12:07] schestowitz like... if a packet is lost with a notification in it, the next time around it'll work fine [12:07] schestowitz until you receive that notification, missing from your stack of packets [12:07] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Yes. That's the best part about UDP. Lossy connections don't screw your ops to a halt. [12:07] schestowitz you can also keep count [12:07] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Yeah. It's not like caches don't exist [12:08] schestowitz so fault tolerance can be NOT buffered into the packets themselves [12:08] schestowitz might save cpu time/power, not just bandwidth [12:08] schestowitz though I think the ethernet ports and similar stacks offload packet expansion and processing to hardware [12:09] schestowitz (pretty sure that's the case, would be foolish not to) [12:09] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's just normal layers of networking [12:09] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Every layer is encapsulated by metadata from the layer below it [12:10] schestowitz wordpress is very heavy [12:10] schestowitz mediawiki I can cope with [12:10] schestowitz we can do about 1000 reqs a minute [12:10] schestowitz wordpress without static page caching is choking at around 200 a minute, depending on the page and what files it comes with [12:11] schestowitz static we can do thousands a minute, like these pages: http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/ [12:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of /transparency/debian/debian-private [12:11] schestowitz hence the interest of serving just plain text to those who are satisfied enough with it [12:11] schestowitz I myself read 90% of "my news" (all the politics, climate, tech stuff) in Kate [12:11] schestowitz plain text [12:12] schestowitz the rest in RSS feed, usually without opening the pages, just simple html [12:13] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx The nice thing about UDP is that broadcasting is super simple [12:13] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It's a "connectionless" protocol [12:14] schestowitz anyway, I put this in my todo list [12:15] schestowitz not sure if you notice, front page of techrights.org has an email encryption guide in it [12:15] schestowitz for windows esp. [12:15] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Haven't looked [12:15] schestowitz I didn't write it, it was contributed to us ages ago [12:15] schestowitz we're one of the few news site that encrypt almost all comms [12:16] schestowitz among key people and sources esp. [12:16] schestowitz most of my mail is encrypted in and out, exc. the spam [12:16] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Same here [12:16] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/DNSCrypt_Guide.pdf [12:16] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Btw [12:16] schestowitz THis is the one linked in the front page [12:16] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx > it's reliable enough for some things [12:16] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx When people say that [12:16] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx They forget DNS works over UDP [12:16] schestowitz (I did not write it, cannot vouch for it, assumes most people use Windows... or used by it) [12:17] schestowitz DNS is crucial in the speed sense [12:17] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Next time someone says UDP is unreliable, ask them why DNS uses UDP [12:17] schestowitz Firefox/Moz offloading DNS to Comcast and ClownFlare now [12:17] schestowitz insane, I know.. [12:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/ [12:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights [12:18] schestowitz someone from moz was here in IRC yesterday [12:18] Chaekyung vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: it doesn't matter what order your packet for one DNS request arrives in [12:18] schestowitz pulling my legs for pointing out they had been using azure [12:18] schestowitz for data [12:18] Chaekyung I'd say TCP is better than UDP. Then again Google is moving towards using UDP for web connections, they already use it for google's own services [12:19] schestowitz google does whatever google wants [12:19] schestowitz they 'own' a lot of traffic [12:19] schestowitz youtube esp., volume-wise [12:19] Chaekyung very few people know this but since google is large portion of the internet QUIC (multiplexed UDP) is used for like half of all web connections [12:19] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Chaekyung: yes, but that's a justified use of TCP. But pretty much everything in the "web" uses TCP now. [12:19] schestowitz they say netflix is also high, due to HD, but have not checked lately how that compared to youtube [12:19] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Chaekyung: regardless of whether TCP is the right choice or not. [12:20] schestowitz the way they teach cs now,students won't know the diff [12:20] schestowitz or what those are [12:20] schestowitz they'll learn "frameworks" [12:20] schestowitz and "full stack" [12:20] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx CS? You mean framework development? [12:20] schestowitz and "cloud" [12:20] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Beat me to it [12:20] schestowitz no, Computer Science [12:21] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It was a joke [12:21] schestowitz though I have not seen a CS syllabus for a while [12:21] Chaekyung I have no idea what they teach students these days [12:21] schestowitz do they still force them to code in assembly for educational purposes? [12:21] schestowitz or programmable boards? [12:21] Chaekyung I have the impression it's a lot of leftist propaganda [12:21] Chaekyung but I don't know [12:21] Chaekyung I am too old [12:21] schestowitz CS? [12:21] schestowitz not politics [12:22] schestowitz nothing to do with "leftist" [12:22] schestowitz hipsterish, maybe [12:22] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I'm pretty sure QUIC is already going to be the standard in a year or two [12:23] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I've been looking at all the big infra providers pushing it. [12:33] schestowitz http/3 [12:33] schestowitz https://blog.cloudflare.com/http3-the-past-present-and-future/ [12:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.cloudflare.com | HTTP/3: the past, the present, and the future [12:33] schestowitz "During last years Birthday Week we announced preliminary support for QUIC and HTTP/3 (or HTTP over QUIC as it was known back then), the new standard for the web, enabling faster" [12:33] schestowitz look who backs those things [12:33] schestowitz spying sieves [12:36] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx This is kind of why I've been pushing IPFS everywhere [12:37] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Throwing away DNS is going to be a boon for privacy [12:37] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx At least, reducing the use of DNS [12:38] schestowitz there's more to spying than that [12:38] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I know [12:38] schestowitz inc. switching [12:39] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx But it's a pragmatic step forward [12:39] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx The solution is already mature enough to implement [12:39] schestowitz dns= phonebook [12:39] schestowitz traffic= calls [12:39] schestowitz few encrypt those things [12:39] schestowitz and you can see source and destination ips [12:40] schestowitz people would blast me for saying, but https is OK for logging [12:40] schestowitz but not for actual privacy [12:40] schestowitz even without JS and trackers and cookies [12:40] schestowitz which most people accept explicitly or by default even over https [12:41] schestowitz so what sort of 'privacy' is that anyway? [12:41] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx We need a turnkey solution. Right now the parts are still under development. [12:41] schestowitz data brokers even know the pertinent pages you visit, when, how long for, how the mouse was moved (JS) [12:41] scientes The nice thing about UDP is that broadcasting is super simple [12:41] scientes It's a "connectionless" protocol [12:41] scientes https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/weather-board-2/ [12:41] scientes cool [12:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hardkernel.com | Weather Board 2 ODROID [12:42] *tr_guest|6999 (082a3309@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.8.42.51.9) has joined #techrights [12:42] *tr_guest|6999 has quit (Client Quit) [12:42] schestowitz all the 'privacy' solutions, like Tor, also assume no mitm [12:42] schestowitz you need to trust most onion layers [12:43] schestowitz and we already know honeypots do exist [12:43] schestowitz never mind any 0-days [12:43] schestowitz ioerror used to put it in a funny way [12:43] schestowitz if he wanted privacy, he's speak in the sauna [12:43] schestowitz *he'd [12:43] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx lol [12:43] schestowitz where microphones are at risk of malfunction [12:43] schestowitz and without clothes on it's harder to hide or secure these [12:44] schestowitz nothing like 'pool talk' [12:44] schestowitz otr liquid-cooled [12:44] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx The main issue right now is IP spying. There's still no good solution against that. [12:45] schestowitz none bulletproof [12:45] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Because you can't really do much to IP. It's not the protocol's fault. [12:45] schestowitz and if thunderbird makes decisions about what messages need locks [12:45] schestowitz either by negligence or intentiob [12:45] schestowitz intention [12:45] scientes ioerror used to put it in a funny way [12:45] scientes if he wanted privacy, he's speak in the sauna [12:45] schestowitz Debian is now developed partly on Google servers [12:45] schestowitz after Google gave them LOADS of money [12:46] *inky_ (~norayr@178.78.153.22) has joined #techrights [12:46] scientes schestowitz, yeah, I like how effectively he breaks the "nothing to hide, nothing to loose" argument [12:46] scientes Then take off your clothes! You don't have anything to hide, right? [12:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx > I like how he breaks ... argument. [12:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Link pls/ [12:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx ?* [12:46] schestowitz put a bathing suit on [12:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Would like to read [12:46] schestowitz male nipples never caused a scandal [12:46] *gde33 (~gde333@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [12:46] scientes vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, he just says "everyone in this room is wearing clothes, so you all have something to hide" [12:47] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Ah. lol [12:47] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Good one [12:47] schestowitz I've yet to read about someone being recorded secretly in the sauna or pool [12:47] schestowitz (*until then....) [12:48] schestowitz scientes: the greenwald line (that he borrowed) is, you all use email passwords [12:48] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Does somebody have a link to this "ioerror" on the web? [12:48] schestowitz "nothing to hide" = everyone can access my inbox, read-only [12:48] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: it's Jake Appelbaum's nickname [12:48] schestowitz surely you refer to that particular bit [12:48] schestowitz not the person [12:49] schestowitz he had that in German media, maybe keynotes talks too [12:49] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [12:49] schestowitz because he was declared pervert (he might be sexually perverse... but afaik nothing criminal) [12:50] schestowitz asking someone if s/he wants to pop a drug and join for sex is obscene, but likely not a crime in Germany [12:50] schestowitz we've moved into a societal mode though of thoughtcrime [12:50] schestowitz so you can lose your career and personal life for merely arguing something legally, but it's not legal in the eyes of social control media mob of one flavour or another [12:51] schestowitz pieter hitjens wrote about twitter factions [12:51] schestowitz and how they gang up with so-called causes. [12:51] schestowitz zoobab: do you have the url? [12:51] scientes if society is sick it cannot fight off slander and libel [12:51] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx "Cancel culture" [12:51] schestowitz *pieter-hintjens [12:52] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx This is why I don't participate in social media [12:52] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It's a weapon now [12:52] scientes vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, lack of culture [12:52] scientes except you are only digging your own grave [12:52] scientes you are biting the hand that feeds you [12:52] schestowitz I need to use Google [12:53] schestowitz searx is just displaying lots of worthless tweets instead of actual results [12:53] scientes M.I.A. has a shirt that reads "Fuck Google, Ask Me" [12:54] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx One of the reasons I decided to contribute here is because Techrights is a buffer against that toxic culture. [12:54] scientes and given that the internet really only has stuff from the last few decades, that isn't unreasonable [12:54] scientes few realize just how limited the information available on the internet is [12:54] scientes most information is only available in books [12:54] scientes physical books [12:54] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I think digital books are important. [12:55] scientes or even the physical world [12:55] schestowitz http://hintjens.com/blog:125 [12:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Confessions of a Necromancer - Hintjens.com [12:55] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It's very easy to archive a book once you've got a digital copy [12:55] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You can even compress the book, and then make a physical copy of the compressed version [12:55] schestowitz found it http://hintjens.com/blog:114 [12:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why I've Quit Twitter - Hintjens.com [12:55] scientes vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, and then when the power goes out? [12:56] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You didn't let me finish :P [12:56] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx > You can even compress the book, and then make a physical copy of the compressed version [12:56] scientes that doesn't make any sense [12:56] schestowitz I can't believe he put his book in Amazon... amazing [12:56] scientes you need to print the book in a form that can be consumed by humans [12:56] schestowitz sort of defeats the purpose and spirit [12:56] schestowitz http://hintjens.com/blog:114 [12:56] schestowitz " [12:56] schestowitz Let me cite these by name and explain each. I'm not going to use any links. Explore further at your own risk. [12:57] schestowitz We have the third wave feminists (3WF), promising a nirvana where maleness is a birth crime and femininity will Save the World. It has its mystical roots in Gaia the Earth Mother, and it appeals to an ancient conflict between men and women. The conflict expresses in every couple, every family, and within individuals. [12:57] scientes amazon is the only print-on-demand book company right now [12:57] schestowitz 3WF collects women looking for a cause, often highly educated, under-challenged, and lonely. This is a generation who have learned that doing female things, and following the female biological imperatives, is "bad." And yes, these are real things. If you hear a voice shouting "social construct!" in your mind, you are already under a form of mind control. [12:57] schestowitz Humanity is the only species capable of denying its own existence. [12:57] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [12:57] schestowitz It is ironic, and sad, that 3WF accuses women that refuse to accept its message as suffering from "internalized misogyny." That is, self-hate so deep they cannot see it. And yet it is 3WF members that hate their own femaleness. They take no pride in it. It disgusts them so much they must project that onto others. [12:57] schestowitz 3WF also collects men, such as a few "male feminists" whom I've had to block to protect them from my need to always be right. Why do boys follow a girls' cult? Partly it's biology. The men go where the women are. We will say and do a lot of stupid things for the remotest chance at sex. But a lot of men have also grown up in the same education system, learning from a young age that gender is a social construct, and Male = Bad, Female = [12:57] schestowitz Good. [12:57] schestowitz " [12:57] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx There are other print-on-demand book companies [12:58] scientes then they need to band together and form a guild [12:58] scientes with exclusive titles [12:58] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Also [12:58] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Printing too many books is bad for the environment [12:58] scientes not really [12:58] *ohama has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [12:58] schestowitz conclusion: [12:59] schestowitz (via http://hintjens.com/blog:114 ) [12:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why I've Quit Twitter - Hintjens.com [12:59] schestowitz " [12:59] schestowitz It has become clear to me that Twitter is a lens that distorts. The economics in this case favor the wrong people: the psychopaths and their followers. It gives them space in which to grow, recruit, and market themselves. By using Twitter, I'm contributing to this. [12:59] schestowitz We know where the politics of extremism takes us. We don't need to go back hundreds of years. Just a few days, to bombs exploding in my home city. Psychopaths produced those bombs, recruited the mules who carried them, and sent them on their way. One more cult of hate, seeking to divide and conquer. [12:59] schestowitz Yes, I'm literally making an equivalence between the digital cults and Daesh. They lie at different points on a scale, yet it is one scale. Saying "all men" and "all white men" has the same intent and effect as saying "all Muslims." It divides, isolates, and creates space for the cult to grow. [12:59] schestowitz Never doubt the harm that psychopaths will inflict on others. It is simply a pragmatic calculation of benefits against risks and costs. Allow cults to grow without sanction, and they will become more aggressive and more destructive. [12:59] scientes books can be biodegradable, and pulp is not expensive [12:59] schestowitz " [12:59] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ [12:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights [12:59] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Look at how many forests are being chopped down to make paper. [12:59] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [12:59] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/goodbye-twitter/ [12:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Going Write-Only in Twitter (One Step Away From Deleting Twitter) | Techrights [12:59] schestowitz [12:58] Printing too many books is bad for the environment\ [12:59] schestowitz driving is a lot worse [12:59] scientes vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, you can make paper from bamboo forrests [12:59] schestowitz flying miles (pun intended) worse ● Nov 01 [13:00] scientes and no-body likes bamboo [13:00] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I like bamboo [13:00] scientes they already make socks from bamboo [13:00] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's cool [13:00] schestowitz poor pandas will run out of stock faster [13:00] scientes but I shouldn't argue with you, as you are not thinking [13:00] schestowitz they need about 40 pounds of bamboo >per day< [13:00] schestowitz [12:59] Look at how many forests are being chopped down to make paper. [13:01] schestowitz This weekend's news: https://www.propublica.org/article/despite-what-the-logging-industry-says-cutting-down-trees-isnt-stopping-catastrophic-wildfires [13:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | Despite What the Logging Industry Says, Cutting Down Trees Isnt Stopping Catastrophic Wildfires ProPublica [13:01] scientes I need 40 pounds of hot-pockets >per day<, doesn't mean I get the same level of PR. [13:01] schestowitz shaving off the planet [13:01] schestowitz off the thing that makes oxygen.. because it's not like we need any anyway... [13:01] scientes that is the symptom [13:02] *ohama (ohama@cicolina.org) has joined #techrights [13:02] scientes those houses they are building with those trees are worth negative money [13:02] scientes it will cost money to take them apart and revert to farm-land [13:03] scientes The housing bubble is Ireland is how they justify not feeding and housing the poor. [13:04] scientes but they need to sell better glasses, because the homeless in the cities are kinda hard to ignore [13:04] scientes and they have to hire thugs to keep them out of the public parks [13:05] *scientes was in London for a single night, waiting for a flight [13:05] scientes got to see Westminster Abbey and Buckingham Palace [13:05] scientes I should have taken a layover in Lisboa while I was there [13:05] scientes would have been less depressing than London [13:06] schestowitz Lisbon? [13:06] scientes its Lisboa in Portugese [13:06] schestowitz It has a homelessness problem too [13:06] schestowitz and poverty [13:06] scientes oh ok [13:06] schestowitz a friend of mine keeps telling me [13:06] scientes I was in a hurry to get out of Europe [13:06] schestowitz drugs also [13:06] schestowitz big drug issues [13:06] schestowitz it pisses him off a lot [13:06] scientes I wanted to spend as little time in Europe as possible [13:06] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx schestowitz: where's this tutorial about encrypted email on the Techrights front-page btw? I can't find it. [13:06] schestowitz he moved here decades ago, he's a retired chef now [13:07] scientes its like we were talking about about a year ago, how the drug problem shows there is a deep dissatisfaction with life [13:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/DNSCrypt_Guide.pdf [13:07] schestowitz front page as in http://techrights.org [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rights [13:07] schestowitz scientes: yes, drugs are sometimes a symptom [13:07] schestowitz the gov likes to blame "drugs" [13:07] schestowitz "they did drugs, ended up homeless" [13:07] schestowitz usually, it's the opposite [13:07] schestowitz cause and effect [13:07] scientes they send all the meaningful jobs overseas, and then they give them drugs so they die faster [13:08] schestowitz they do drugs inc. alcohol (cheap and not illegal) because they're hopeless and without a home [13:08] scientes usually, it's the opposite\ [13:08] schestowitz and then they develop severe health issues and the gov. lets them rot, then blames them for "killing themselves" by "their decisions" [13:08] scientes yes, but the politicians are too busy shaking down the dads that aren't allowed to life with their baby-momies for money [13:09] schestowitz to live? [13:09] scientes and throwing them in prison [13:09] scientes to live [13:09] schestowitz social control right there.. [13:09] schestowitz I know one GNU dev who had it done to him [13:09] schestowitz I won't name him here [13:09] scientes there was a scandel in Israel where people were paying bribes to escape the prison of Israel [13:09] schestowitz (he worked on encryption) [13:09] scientes at the airport [13:10] schestowitz israel is run by mafia now [13:10] scientes and they give you endless credit card credit [13:10] scientes to keep the system running [13:10] schestowitz what you might come to expect from any nations with supremacy of an army, us included, former ussr [13:10] schestowitz the thugs always get their way, honest people are run over [13:11] scientes except the Russians will stick together [13:11] schestowitz people then adapt to become equally aggresive just to get on with life or survive [13:11] scientes and it will collapse due to them [13:11] scientes as they don't have any money [13:11] schestowitz us militias, russian mafia, black gangs [13:12] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You need to have secrecy to run a successful operation when dealing with thugs [13:12] scientes also the heredi jews [13:12] schestowitz then they act all surprised that desperate people with no means turn to crime [13:12] schestowitz and they blame the crimes for the state they're in [13:12] scientes there is already a war between the heredi jews and the state [13:12] schestowitz [12:00] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): #militaia #goldenDawnald #violence #trump #failedState https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/video-trump-supporters-tried-to-run-biden-bus-off-road-1084484/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/3503ba00-f092-4f0d-b190-96a885097cea] [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Video: Trump Supporters Tried to Run Biden Bus 'Off the Road' - Rolling Stone [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [13:13] schestowitz 'Murica Drimm [13:13] schestowitz Colombia came to Columbia [13:14] scientes hmmm, I can't find the child support bribery scandel [13:14] scientes they probably buried it [13:14] schestowitz [13:12] You need to have secrecy to run a successful operation when dealing with thugs [13:14] schestowitz assumuing they have not already infiltrated the PDs too [13:14] schestowitz and drove away perceived obstructions in those PDs [13:14] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx This applies to tech thugs as well [13:15] schestowitz like Trump expelled people with empathy from WH and then lots of other branches of gov. inc. scotus and usdoj [13:15] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: yes, Microsofters in particular [13:15] schestowitz no real geek would apply for a job there [13:15] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's why I still send encrypted email for some things because they need to be kept secret. [13:15] schestowitz so you end up gates-worshiping, money-loving cultists all in one gang [13:15] schestowitz while their 'ringleader' flies a plane called "LOLITA EXPRESS" [13:16] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx allegedly* [13:16] schestowitz waiting for the footnote [13:16] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Don't want the trolls coming after you. Always say allegedly, if the evidence isn't in public domain. [13:16] schestowitz (hint: it's not alleged, it's verified to the extreme) [13:16] schestowitz the evidence is public domain [13:17] schestowitz and gates is not denying it [13:17] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Then it's alright [13:17] schestowitz the flight records were published [13:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ [13:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights [13:17] schestowitz this isn't about the flights [13:17] schestowitz but about more than those flights [13:17] schestowitz which they do not deny, either [13:18] schestowitz but it was thrown under the bus when covid started and gates became health 'visionary' [13:18] schestowitz (I'm not suggesting a causal correlation btw) [13:25] schestowitz https://twitter.com/migueltcosta/status/1322888119507705856 [13:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@migueltcosta: Snippet 259: https://t.co/By6vOkXZbs Microsoft is actively colluding with the NSA. No software company has been qu https://t.co/CSPTOGB49B [13:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [13:25] schestowitz " [13:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@migueltcosta: Snippet 259: https://t.co/By6vOkXZbs Microsoft is actively colluding with the NSA. No software company has been qu https://t.co/CSPTOGB49B [13:25] schestowitz Snippet 259: https://buff.ly/1hqHeHk [13:25] schestowitz Microsoft is actively colluding with the NSA. No software company has been quite as collaborative with the NSA as Microsoft has, e.g. in providing direct Skype access. [13:25] schestowitz Should we move away from Microsofts Windows Operative System? [13:25] schestowitz " [13:26] schestowitz https://twitter.com/lzsthw/status/1322867939020886016 [13:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lzsthw: If you ever see a Microsoft developer evangelist getting on a morality high horse, just pass them this: https://t.co/MsgjT57xei [13:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA ) [13:26] schestowitz https://twitter.com/danehrlich11/status/1322871178952888320 [13:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@danehrlich11: @SCNRbot @motherboard Read this. Everything else I've said is worthless. Whoever these persons / lizardbots are, th https://t.co/0uENHbY8VK [13:26] schestowitz "Read this. Everything else I've said is worthless. Whoever these persons / lizardbots are, they did a ton of the research for us: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php" [13:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Main Page - Techrights [13:27] schestowitz " [13:27] schestowitz I find it very interesting that once a company gets to a certain size theyre willing to do a lot of questionable things to make more money. [13:27] schestowitz Youd think having a bazillion dollars already would decrease the profit incentive, but nope. [13:27] schestowitz " [13:27] schestowitz " [13:27] schestowitz The fact that you're "surprised" by it is part of the reason why I'm now against shaming other people when they try to make money. [13:27] schestowitz If people can't actively acknowledge the inherent negative impact of a giant company's behavior then it's wrong to shame individuals for doing it. [13:27] schestowitz " [13:31] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You should post on r/Privacy [13:31] schestowitz reddit? [13:31] schestowitz no way [13:31] schestowitz hate them [13:32] schestowitz last week: https://karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-web-forums/ [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karl-voit.at | Don't Contribute Anything Relevant in Web Forums Like Reddit [13:32] schestowitz 5 years ago: http://techrights.org/2015/05/28/reddit-censorship/ [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Censorship on Reddit Has Gotten (Cond) Nasty and Silent, Even Actively Silenced | Techrights [13:32] schestowitz that was before people used the term ghostban or shadowban [13:32] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Places like Reddit are still important to raise awareness [13:32] schestowitz because twitter started doing lots of that (did it to me like 50 times in 2 years) [13:33] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: they need to perish [13:33] schestowitz they're compromised [13:33] schestowitz participating in them reinvigorates their power [13:33] schestowitz they still misuse Swartz and his good name [13:33] schestowitz even though he ended up disliking them geatly [13:33] schestowitz *greatly [13:33] schestowitz Conde Nasty ousted Linus [13:34] schestowitz and they paint themselves "geek" in Reddit [13:34] schestowitz now that Wired is dead [13:34] scientes reddit is dead too [13:34] schestowitz and Ars is dead also, their staff turned out to be monsters [13:34] scientes has been for a long time [13:34] schestowitz hope so [13:34] schestowitz *that this is true [13:34] scientes they droped the free software license [13:34] scientes went propritary [13:34] schestowitz yes [13:35] schestowitz that's when I dropped my rss feed for /r/linux [13:35] scientes at least Aaron Swartz created MarkDown with it [13:35] scientes which was a massive success [13:35] schestowitz later I saw they added infinite scroll and all [13:35] schestowitz so even commentless crap ends up with lots of cruft below [13:35] scientes I had a japaneese userscript that did infinite scroll much earlier [13:35] schestowitz and for one little quip or link you need to get megabytes of crap [13:36] schestowitz reddit became a clickbaiting honeypot [13:36] schestowitz they try to addict people, twitter tries the same but wings up pissing off many [13:36] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx There are still a lot of people that can be reached via Reddit. It's better to funnel those people to the real news than let them be in the dark. [13:36] schestowitz dragging them into meaningless fights to sell ads [13:36] scientes twitter only works on people that are already broken however [13:36] scientes IMHO [13:36] schestowitz I analysed it here: http://techrights.org/2020/07/24/twitter-annotated/ [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How Social Control Media Works: The Case of Twitter, Visualised and Annotated | Techrights [13:37] schestowitz it wasn't always this bad [13:37] scientes at least reddit had good circlejerk memes [13:37] schestowitz even their "mobile" or "legacy" UI is now littered with ads [13:37] schestowitz and they all have images in them, which ACTUAL content lacks [13:37] schestowitz even in empty pages they still have ads with banners [13:37] schestowitz they added this a few months back [13:38] schestowitz to the legacy/minimalist (no JS) UI [13:38] scientes twitter, like all the other "platforms" are based on lying to people about how the internet works [13:38] scientes and now the internet actually works that way because of CDNs [13:38] schestowitz twitter is obsolete [13:38] schestowitz let's see if their stock recovered [13:38] scientes like Facebook re-purposing Wikipedia [13:38] schestowitz 41.36 USD 11.07 (21.11%) [13:38] scientes just to keep people inside their "platform" [13:38] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Regardless of how we might feel about reddit, a big chunk of newcomers get introduced to GNU/Linux through Reddit. It's important to make sure those people see the important messages. [13:39] scientes I mean seriously, the ability to browse Wikipedia from Facebook should be obvious to people [13:39] scientes if they only read the license they would figure it out [13:39] scientes vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, that's not reddit, that the truth leaking out because reddit needs content [13:39] schestowitz the shares were at US$64 6 years ago [13:40] scientes and its why they push people more to TikTok/Twitter and other short-form content that can be controlled better [13:40] scientes even YouTube has gotten into the short-form content band-wagon [13:40] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: maybe the type of users we neither want or need [13:40] scientes the point is that you need far less content [13:40] schestowitz the ones who call freesw "apps" [13:40] schestowitz and ask for "spotify" and snaps and stuff [13:40] scientes so the content can be might higher percentage of propoganda [13:40] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx > maybe the type of users we neither want or need [13:40] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's not going to help anybody [13:41] schestowitz I know what you mean [13:41] scientes I use markdown almost exclusively for my stuff [13:41] schestowitz but... [13:41] schestowitz I used to think the way you do [13:41] schestowitz but some people become trouble because their entry point is the wrong philosophy [13:41] schestowitz they want a "cheap mac" [13:41] scientes schestowitz is right---the user's have to engage in free software at some point [13:42] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's fine. We can always kick the trolls [13:42] schestowitz and then they try to turn it into just another transport layer for pure crap [13:42] schestowitz with kernel being linux [13:42] schestowitz they can get a chromebook [13:42] schestowitz or android [13:42] scientes I remember when I posted about a suspend bug in my hard drive, and I got a response from a kernel developer in a few days [13:42] schestowitz when they're ready they can learn what debian repos are [13:42] scientes with a patch [13:42] scientes and then the next release it was fixed [13:42] scientes it blew my fucking mind [13:43] schestowitz and now ask, "HEY GIVE US THE SHINIES" (Microsoft PPAs for Edge) [13:43] schestowitz *not [13:43] schestowitz aka Windows Update for "Linux" [13:43] scientes you suddenly realize that when humans work together they can accomplish amazing things [13:43] schestowitz remember this: [13:43] scientes and that the reason that windows sucks is that you pay money for it [13:44] schestowitz we accomplish little or nothing if GNU/Linux becomes Android [13:44] schestowitz we need to replace Android with something like Maemo (Debian) [13:44] schestowitz then we're on the right route [13:44] MinceR try Maemo Leste [13:44] schestowitz otherwise you're as useless a "tech" as Apple fans [13:44] scientes Android is certainly the biggest threat right now [13:44] scientes web apps too, but lesser [13:44] schestowitz who view their existence on this planet as fulfilling the goal of "helping apple beat Microsoft" [13:45] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx No mobile OS will succeed in replacing Android unless you can drop-in Android apps [13:45] schestowitz (or IBM vs Microsoft) [13:45] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx They have too big a hold on the market [13:45] schestowitz Alien had that [13:45] schestowitz then mole Elop stepped in [13:45] scientes vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, no, that is a ruinous compromise [13:45] schestowitz Alien Dalvik [13:45] scientes propritary software is the problem, not the solution [13:45] schestowitz Microsoft killed that, calling it "burning platform" [13:46] schestowitz Nokia was about to run under MeeGo or similar Android apps [13:46] schestowitz the tech was shaping up [13:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It's not proprietary software [13:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It's things like Banking apps [13:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Medical apps [13:46] schestowitz Also see http://techrights.org/2015/10/24/robovm-takeover-and-microsoft-fork/ [13:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | RoboVM Takeover of Interest to Microsoft and Its Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (E.E.E.) Strategy Against Android, Which It Says It Wants to Fork | Techrights [13:46] schestowitz he became CEO of GitHub (Microsoft Trojan horse) [13:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Governments rely on Android [13:46] scientes vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, and google is constantly selling them anti-features [13:47] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's the level of entrenchment you have to deal with [13:47] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/nat-friedman-proprietary-software/ [13:47] schestowitz they totally attack Android [13:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHubs Nat Friedman Defended Proprietary Software at Novell, So Why Not at Microsoft? | Techrights [13:47] schestowitz the trade press never mentions it because "no money in ot" [13:47] schestowitz *it [13:47] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [13:47] scientes schestowitz, oh wow that is a great video [13:48] scientes explains why they are sponsoring zig-lang [13:48] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Projects like this are what's going to help: https://grapheneos.org/ [13:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-grapheneos.org | GrapheneOS [13:48] schestowitz phoronix mentions it sometimes [13:49] scientes that is also why they build vscode [13:49] scientes DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, [13:49] schestowitz yeah, those reddit types might become "consumers" [13:49] schestowitz MSVS [13:49] schestowitz but open [13:49] schestowitz it's not [13:49] schestowitz they get a blob from MSFT [13:50] scientes like how google is adament about keeping YouTube downloaders off of Google Play store [13:50] schestowitz and wire their machine to Microsoft/NSA [13:50] schestowitz the blob contains surveillance [13:50] scientes but they let youtube-dl go because you have to be in the github world to know it exists [13:50] scientes schestowitz, and all those tactics you mentioned about twitter are coming to github soon [13:50] schestowitz I heard github is declining [13:50] schestowitz but that was years ago [13:50] schestowitz maybe not anymore [13:50] scientes llvm moved to github [13:50] schestowitz it was sold for its inertia [13:51] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx GitHub is still the dominant dev platform [13:51] schestowitz if that inertia stops, then money down the drain [13:51] schestowitz they uses the "arctic vauly" fake news (seeded by a South African in Bloomberg) to distract from the ICE-induced brain drain at GH [13:51] scientes schestowitz, Nat Friedman is talking right out of the Haloween documents [13:51] schestowitz Ashley Vance (colleague of Dana Bass) [13:52] schestowitz they're really worrying about GH rebellion [13:52] scientes oh wow, you said that in the article... [13:52] schestowitz like SouthForge after GIMP-gate [13:52] schestowitz Source [13:52] scientes Bill Gates steal's others work in his "foundation" too [13:52] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [13:52] scientes like he talks about Jevon's paradox, but makes it his own [13:52] schestowitz scientes: bill solves all the world's problems [13:52] schestowitz by taking credit for others' work [13:52] scientes ^^^^ [13:53] schestowitz then bribing the media to spam his name [13:53] scientes that is all he knows how to do [13:53] schestowitz pneumonia, Parkinson's, polio... [13:53] scientes every other p word [13:53] schestowitz Gates solves them all in his spare time... in his home lab [13:53] schestowitz with his mom :-) [13:53] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I remember you posted something about MSFT "Sleazy business practices....brilliant marketing." [13:53] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Something like that [13:53] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Still their MO [13:53] schestowitz yes [13:53] schestowitz reddit amplifies it [13:54] schestowitz and deleted MS critics [13:54] schestowitz then does AMAs with billness [13:54] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx There's plenty of anti-MS stuff on Reddit [13:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/18/rusty-censorship/ [13:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Beware Mozilla and Rust, Theyre Not Friends of Free Software or Even of Free Speech | Techrights [13:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [13:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [13:54] schestowitz this one has all the refs for reddit censorship of ms critics in it [13:54] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I'm not defending Reddit but we need to pull all the people that we can into the right stream of news [13:54] schestowitz inc. http://techrights.org/2020/06/18/rusty-censorship/ [13:54] scientes nah, that is over the top [13:54] scientes rust has its problems, but its engineers are not sabateurs [13:55] schestowitz reddit is already compromised [13:55] scientes they were developing a cool idea they had [13:55] schestowitz make something better [13:55] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx We are making something better. [13:55] schestowitz they have done that in reddit since 2009 at least [13:55] schestowitz when they did shill pieces for IE9 [13:55] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx But we still need to pull traffic from Reddit [13:55] schestowitz for MONEY! [13:55] scientes rust did remove f128 for absolutely no reason however [13:55] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/09/28/reddit-sponsored-by-microsoft/ [13:55] schestowitz 2010 [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reddit Took Money From Microsoft to Help the IE9/Vista 7 Marketing Blitz, Which Failed | Techrights [13:55] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [13:56] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [13:56] schestowitz this is a patch proposal http://techrights.org/2020/06/21/censorship-of-microsoft-critics/ [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Detecting and Undoing/Reversing Censorship of Microsoft Critics at Reddit | Techrights [13:56] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I did some more research on Rust and I found out that the community is compromised. I'm sticking with GNU. [13:56] schestowitz meme: http://techrights.org/2020/06/21/censorship-on-reddit/ [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Humour] Things You Cant Say on Reddit | Techrights [13:56] schestowitz conde nast: http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/microsoft-peter-convicted/ [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Peter Convicted for Pedophilia (and Still Defending Pedophilia) | Techrights [13:57] schestowitz 2009, when they propped up Microsoft Mono and suppressed our site http://techrights.org/2009/05/27/reddit-novell-employees/ [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reddit Accommodated by Mono Boosters, Including Novell Employees | Techrights [13:57] schestowitz people who now work directly for Microsoft [13:57] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx We need to be pragmatic. The information that needs outing needs to get exposure everywhere. If we yell in a cellar nothing is going to change. [13:58] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx A link or two every now and then (strategically done on various web locations) is going to be how we build channels to our outlets. [13:59] schestowitz I'm all for it [13:59] schestowitz but.. [13:59] schestowitz not at the expense of producing articles [13:59] schestowitz I've long stuck by that principle ● Nov 01 [14:00] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You don't need to stop writing anything [14:00] schestowitz not wasting time on social control 'media' [14:00] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx People are stepping in to help [14:00] schestowitz the sheft life of these things is nill [14:00] schestowitz as tweets or reddit posts that are merely a link have no journalistic value [14:00] schestowitz *shelf [14:00] schestowitz and few bother actually studying topics, they act like drama queens by link-dropping [14:00] schestowitz and call that "media" [14:00] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Techrights should keep doing techrights. You can let others handle the linking. [14:00] schestowitz "we're the media now" [14:01] schestowitz "yay! Drop some brietbart link. you 'activist'..." [14:01] scientes schestowitz, yep [14:01] scientes zero data, echo chamber [14:01] scientes lots of biting the hand that feeds you [14:01] schestowitz twitter has "decks" or "cards" [14:01] schestowitz so people don't need to click [14:01] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's why consolidation of effort is important. We need people to not fragment away into their own little bubble. There needs to be a push from publishing, tech development, and infrastructure. [14:01] schestowitz they read a headline, see picture, get angry, "engage" in twitter [14:02] schestowitz no blog comments, just a censored "communication" feedback loop with "trending" and hashtags [14:02] schestowitz to bring in more people to get angry [14:02] schestowitz and later the "tweet" turns out to be all wrong [14:02] schestowitz sometimes distorting the message of what it linked to (if anything) [14:02] schestowitz like many people who link to techrights, saying gates is a pedo [14:03] schestowitz or behind coviv [14:03] schestowitz covid* [14:03] schestowitz though we never ever argued that [14:03] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You will always have trolls to deal with. That's never going to go away [14:03] schestowitz usually they turn out to be the "Q" types, which Twitter increasingly shadowbans at every level, so they can only see one another [14:04] schestowitz I have two posts to draft before I start work at 5:30 [14:04] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [14:04] schestowitz bbiab [14:04] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx (y) [14:04] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [14:04] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I'm just skimming the Guile info manual atm [14:04] schestowitz https://twitter.com/BrianHilson/status/1322868937537835008 [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianHilson: @lzsthw I find it very interesting that once a company gets to a certain size theyre willing to do a lot of questi https://t.co/2A2F5nxIzp [14:04] schestowitz https://twitter.com/lzsthw/status/1322870140745240576 [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lzsthw: @BrianHilson The fact that you're "surprised" by it is part of the reason why I'm now against shaming other people https://t.co/NlZ4EGoZtv [14:04] schestowitz Frame "tweets", then show banners with twitter in US CONGRESS!! [14:04] schestowitz LOL [14:04] schestowitz and trump "tweets" as WH "communication" [14:05] schestowitz because who needs a Web site anyway... [14:05] schestowitz Donald Dorsey 2020 [14:05] schestowitz Endorsey by @Jack [14:12] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [14:12] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [14:14] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/ [14:14] schestowitz for next article [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights [14:20] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [14:20] schestowitz will quote [14:20] schestowitz [12:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, he just says "everyone in this room is wearing clothes, so you all have something to hide" [14:20] schestowitz is there a direct source for it with /verbatim/ quote? [14:20] schestowitz will go with http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/mannequin-1437072.jpg [14:22] schestowitz it's 3 paragraphs [14:22] schestowitz anyone wanna help proofread? [14:27] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/nanny-monopolies/ [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Monopolies Cannot and Will Not Respect Your Privacy (Its an Anathema to Them) | Techrights [14:28] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [14:36] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [14:36] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [14:44] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has left #techrights [14:48] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Sure [14:48] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Where's the draft? [14:51] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Nvm. [14:53] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Monopolies Cannot and Will Not Respect Your Privacy (Its an Anathema to Them) http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/nanny-monopolies/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5500789f-e184-451b-96da-314747c11a8f] [14:53] schestowitz too late, but I can still edit further, I'm halfway through the next article now [14:53] schestowitz just backed up my wife's laptop while on munch break [14:53] schestowitz *lunch [14:53] schestowitz no freudian slip there [14:54] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx lol ● Nov 01 [15:05] *inky (~norayr@178.78.153.22) has joined #techrights [15:06] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [15:09] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [15:17] MinceR (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/0f90e05dc8f9e75d.mp4 [15:24] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Aww [15:29] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: can you check through http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/human-rights-and-tech-rights/ [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Ashtrays of Human Rights and Tech Rights | Techrights [15:29] schestowitz published 10 secs ago [15:29] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Sure [15:31] schestowitz before I link in social control media (which let's face it, doesn't take long unless I start to "engage" beyond "write-only") [15:31] *cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:35] *inky_ (~norayr@46.241.165.209) has joined #techrights [15:36] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx schestowitz: looks good. [15:37] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I'd be careful with the linking. Linking is fine, just don't get too involved on the platforms themselves. [15:38] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:38] schestowitz yes, it can be addictive [15:38] schestowitz like waiting for someone to respond to something you replied with [15:38] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20090637 [15:38] schestowitz you can lose hours without realising it [15:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4872880) [15:39] schestowitz whilst those companies 'harvest' your 'engagement' [15:39] *inky_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:39] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx MinceR: lol [15:39] *inky (~norayr@46.241.165.209) has joined #techrights [15:39] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx The way I use Reddit is to make a post, get a discussion going, and then let that roll over between the readers. [15:40] schestowitz it's not worth it [15:40] schestowitz and rarely you get much of value in it [15:40] schestowitz due to low s/n ratio [15:40] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I got plenty of value out of it [15:40] schestowitz so better focus on the accurate things than random trolls with "flairs" [15:40] schestowitz maybe some subs are OK [15:40] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I don't pay attention to any of that [15:41] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx The main goal is to get a few comments rolling. Then the post gets to the top of the thread. Then you just let it grow on its own. [15:41] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Key is to lay off ASAP [15:42] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx The nice thing about trolls on Reddit is that they're actually helping you. Any activity pushes your content up further. [15:42] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx End goal being you want information to be seen. [15:44] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I had plenty of trolls on my last post. But it went viral on the sub I posted it. Hundreds of upvotes in hours. One of the top comments was a troll (that account is now deleted). [15:45] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx And I noticed posting infrequently work better on Reddit. So now I just save that outlet for my big announcements. [15:45] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx works* [15:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I tried high-volume at the start and it went well but my low-volume strategy is working a lot better. [15:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That way you also don't get accused for sub-spamming [15:47] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights ● Nov 01 [16:02] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:04] *phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights [16:06] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/11-million-people-after-patient-zero/ [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Contact-Tracing Ploy (Mission Creep/Mass Surveillance) is Only Effective When Dealing With Patient Zero and Few Others, Not Millions | Techrights [16:06] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: some "privacy" groups in Reddit [16:06] schestowitz I never "got" it [16:07] schestowitz it's like going to a hunting expedition and then having vegetarian meals at the pub with the group [16:07] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx It is a pretty big dumpster fire rn [16:08] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [16:08] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx We we need to salvage what we can out of it [16:08] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx But we* [16:09] schestowitz no, it's hopeless [16:09] schestowitz when things go wrong, it's over [16:09] schestowitz so said pieter hintjens, as zoobab can attest to [16:09] schestowitz good luck saving LF or OIN [16:09] schestowitz you cannot because the people who resist you are already inside [16:09] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx We're not trying to save Reddit [16:10] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's not what I'm trying to say [16:10] schestowitz it feeds the beast :-) [16:10] schestowitz we need to make alternatives to it [16:10] schestowitz while recognising it went wrong in a lot of ways [16:10] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's what we are doing. But people need to hear about the alternatives. [16:10] schestowitz proprietary, censorship, corporate agenda pushed for cash.. [16:11] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I've completely stopped posting original content on Reddit for over a month now [16:11] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Because I too agree we should stop "feeding the best" [16:11] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx beast* [16:11] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx But we can still leverage it to our advantage [16:11] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx To funnel viewers to us [16:11] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx In the same way people share our links on social media [16:12] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx All my future content is going to be distributed via IPFS links [16:12] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx But I'm still going to use Reddit to announce stuff [16:13] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143888 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ab399803-aa51-40a3-88a0-38ead861f1be] [16:14] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: just don't spend extra time on it [16:14] schestowitz to them, your time is the product [16:14] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I don't spend any time on Reddit [16:14] schestowitz and their commodity to "sell" [16:14] schestowitz and it spreads non-linearly [16:14] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx But thank you for the reminder [16:14] schestowitz as when you post something you cause several others to "engage" [16:15] schestowitz you can kill the beast by no longer engaging [16:15] schestowitz not many people respond to me in Twitter anymore, as my profile makes it clear it's a shadow/ghost account [16:15] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Right now all I've got left to is to get an RSS service rolling. [16:15] schestowitz and that I'll respond in other platforms, not Twitter [16:15] schestowitz the only thing I'd even RT in Twitter is stuff that links to my own sites [16:16] schestowitz because hey, this beast then feeds not itself but the target platforms [16:16] schestowitz I almost always RT everything that links to my site [16:16] schestowitz and strictly that [16:17] schestowitz a big FU... you exist only to send "juice" to NON-Twitter sites [16:17] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx > because hey, this beast then feeds not itself but the target platforms [16:17] schestowitz FB goes out of its way to demote posts with links to external URLs [16:17] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's pretty much how I plan to use Reddit now [16:17] schestowitz and reward people who upload "intel'" to FB [16:17] schestowitz Photos, videos, original "posts" (traffic, ads) [16:17] schestowitz they made a project that sounds like IA just to keep people ON FB [16:17] schestowitz and never off it [16:18] schestowitz archive they called it [16:18] schestowitz not sure if that worked out [16:18] schestowitz or suggesting making ISP-like service in poor countries with zero-rating [16:18] schestowitz only FB [16:18] schestowitz FCWWW [16:18] schestowitz Reddit is the same [16:18] schestowitz Twitter is increasingly the same [16:18] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I've been to countries where FB is free in ISP plans [16:18] schestowitz anything to keep "screen time" high [16:19] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx They use it to mine data [16:19] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I don't see any other reasonable explanation [16:19] schestowitz "trending", "infinite scrolling" inflammatory twitler tweets [16:19] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx So even if they don't have "data" to browse the web, they still have "data" for FB. [16:19] schestowitz that should be illegal [16:19] schestowitz but FB hired many politicians [16:19] schestowitz inc. our former deputy PM [16:19] schestowitz Clegg [16:22] schestowitz https://www.politico.eu/article/how-nick-clegg-is-trying-to-fix-facebooks-global-image/ [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu | How Nick Clegg is trying to fix Facebooks global image POLITICO [16:22] schestowitz https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/20/nick-clegg-is-on-the-wrong-side-of-history-at-facebook [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Nick Clegg is on the wrong side of history at Facebook | John Naughton | Opinion | The Guardian [16:22] schestowitz https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/09/03/facebooks-nick-clegg-calling-facebooks-new-rules-not-ambitious-or-piecemeal-is-unfair.html [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Facebook's Nick Clegg: Calling Facebook's new rules not ambitious or piecemeal is unfair [16:23] schestowitz wtf is this? [16:23] schestowitz Politicians lying for corporations directly as well [16:23] schestowitz this is planet Earth eating itself [16:28] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Let's hope Clegg ruins Facebook like he did to his own party. lol [16:31] schestowitz party pooper(tm) [16:32] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [16:32] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: You Can Now Upgrade the Original PinePhone with More RAM, Storage http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143881#comment-26974 [https://pleroma.site/objects/008766ee-7b46-4988-957e-d131c326a231] [16:36] schestowitz https://www.troyhunt.com/humans-are-bad-at-urls-and-fonts-dont-matter [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.troyhunt.com | Troy Hunt: Humans are Bad at URLs and Fonts Dont Matter [16:40] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming and Hardware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143889 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7ea7163-9463-40b6-a3b8-5d68bae3c163] [16:46] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I misread URLs all the time [16:46] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143890 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aa2019c7-14b9-4340-b278-6f4604f86fe7] [16:47] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I misread everything all the time [16:47] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx That's why `diff(1)` is my crutch. [16:47] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:49] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx For example, I have access to a lot of host machines that aren't mine. I always ask people for the key fingerprint before I use SSH. That way I can just run the fingerprint against the one I see before I log in. [16:49] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143891 [https://pleroma.site/objects/665594c2-b005-4cd9-97f0-70b6815394fb] [16:49] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I'd be hopeless without `diff(1)` [16:49] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You can use the `--unified` option to get the same output you get form `git-diff(1)` [16:51] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx You can actually use `git-diff(1)` on any file on disk. [16:53] schestowitz "I was intrigued that the mountain would come to Muhammad. But it was not until well after Schmidt and his companions had been and gone that I came to understand who had really visited me." https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems [16:56] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 1/11/2020: Chromium in Linux Mint, PinePhone at 3GB/32GB http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/chromium-in-linux-mint/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [https://pleroma.site/objects/d1cc8df4-17ab-4bf7-a4f1-71fe63300ad9] ● Nov 01 [17:12] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20090459 [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4869325) [17:15] XRevan86 MinceR: My Freedom feeler tingles. [17:16] MinceR sounds like it's miscalibrated [17:16] XRevan86 MinceR: You don't believe in the Land of the Free? [17:17] MinceR i don't believe that uhmerica is the land of the free [17:25] thddx haha. a redefined concept of "freedom" perhaps. most in murica just don't understand/see their chains [17:26] thddx it's just doublespeak messaging that encourages freedom thumpers to vote against their own freedoms [17:28] thddx it's been redefined to mean "no handouts" and "don't interrupt my dopamine consumption patterns" [17:29] thddx the very patterns that enslave the majority of the populace [17:30] MinceR there's only one thing they got right and that's the right to bear arms [17:42] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Do they get the right to bear claws too? [17:43] *vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:43] *vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx (~vZS1aHdks@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [17:45] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Trying out kirc [17:56] *lkjf092jf2l109dl (5c14e751@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [17:56] *lkjf092jf2l109dl has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Nov 01 [18:35] MinceR i don't think those are forbidden anywhere [18:38] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [18:42] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx I think I'm going to stick to this kirc client. It's pretty lightweight [18:47] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx test [18:48] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx \HELP [18:48] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Don't mind me mucking about. ● Nov 01 [19:08] *tdemin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:25] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz I got moved in. Few minor issues the landlord is going to fix tomorrow. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] But other than that, very quiet. Had my first good night of sleep in over a year and a half last night. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] I have a real home again. A real coffee maker. I'm putting furniture together. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] The furniture I got together so far is really nice for flatpack stuff. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] I hate furniture stores. They charge you the big bucks but it's not necessarily better than shopping Walmart and IKEA. [19:33] *tr082471 (5c14e751@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:33] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx test [19:33] *tr082471 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:33] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Glad to hear about the move, DaemonFC. [19:34] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx The nice thing about flatpack stuff is that you can store it away if you need temporary space. ● Nov 01 [20:05] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, for more boxes. I'm just trying to get some of this dealt with each day. I want something to put my stereo on so I won't be so bored for the rest. [20:05] DaemonFC[m] No sense calling Comcast just yet. I'm swamped and I'd pay for a week where I'm emptying boxes and putting stuff together. [20:11] *tdemin (~tdemin@2a03:1ac0:6dc3:9367::2) has joined #techrights [20:27] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: at last... [20:37] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kubuntu 20.04 with KDE Legacy Oxygen Theme http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143892 [https://pleroma.site/objects/440e111f-1599-4fdc-8485-9f8c39785310] [20:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Weekly Roundup: Fedora 33, Linux 5.10 rc1, LibreOffice 7.0.3 and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143893 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f32b6ece-ab24-4e77-9ff9-a9165c0bcd62] [20:42] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143895 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9cdb5fa2-0172-49e3-aeaf-bb3e769356f4] [20:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable Kernels: 5.9.3, 5.8.18, and 5.4.74 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143894 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c2e42a6d-915a-4d85-988a-d1121f653506] [20:52] *inky (~norayr@5.77.138.52) has joined #techrights [20:55] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OpenIndiana Hipster 2020.10 is here http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143896 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c65080bb-ef9d-4552-918e-137feff5af9f] [20:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Earliest Linux Distros: Before Mainstream Distros Became So Popular http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143897 [https://pleroma.site/objects/70808d9b-a312-40c2-8bcf-1d0f022fd7db] ● Nov 01 [21:05] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [21:12] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nitrux 1.3.4 is available to download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143898 [https://pleroma.site/objects/301ede88-4952-44a8-9e61-f12c3d993612] [21:16] *tr_guest|99759 (58613ffb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.97.63.251) has joined #techrights [21:16] *tr_guest|99759 has quit (Client Quit) [21:16] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ventoy | Multi-ISO Bootable USB Drive http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143899 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f9807576-90c5-420e-b673-5cad6ee3bf71] [21:31] schestowitz >> It is odd that the people who are hostile to IP are often the same [21:31] schestowitz > people who are in favour of data processing law - yet the latter [21:31] schestowitz > restricts personal freedom just as much (or more than) the former. [21:31] schestowitz > [21:31] schestowitz > What a cheap fallacy, I imagine they could get a million of those for a 20p. [21:32] schestowitz Groklaw dead for days now [21:32] schestowitz http://groklaw.net [21:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ http://groklaw.net ) [21:35] schestowitz Re: static pages [21:35] schestowitz > All the ones they've got. [21:35] schestowitz > [21:35] schestowitz > https://web.archive.org/web/http://groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20080327223237989 [21:35] schestowitz > [21:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Groklaw - Combined Docket #s 130-133 & 390- SCO Financials/Schedules [21:35] schestowitz We might want to mirror the site is it stays offline... but it might also be too late now [21:36] schestowitz unless we copy the copies, which are imperfect [21:36] schestowitz geeklog the CMS isn't maintained afaik [21:36] schestowitz the site went into maintenance mode just 7 years ago [21:36] schestowitz lots of important posts, documents and comments in it [21:36] schestowitz also the Gates deposition videos [21:40] DaemonFC[m] Not a moment too soon. [21:40] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Precursor open mobile hardware up for pre-order for $450 and up (crowdfunding) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143900 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6edba119-1e94-4d2d-8399-e85265307775] [21:41] DaemonFC[m] Some bums beat each other up and broke some woman's windshield out the night we left. [21:41] DaemonFC[m] One parking spot away from me. [21:41] schestowitz haha [21:41] schestowitz wait till trump loses [21:42] schestowitz that's when the REAL violence commences [21:42] schestowitz [21:25] > way out of control there. The US is already worst but due to current [21:42] schestowitz [21:25] > utterances from the regime in power and their (in)actions, it's about to [21:42] schestowitz [21:25] > become even more devastating. The post-election violence will be part [21:42] schestowitz [21:25] > of the increased spread. [21:53] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Emulate the ZX Spectrum with Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143902 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d9913068-14a2-41af-9e70-f902ffecaa0b] [21:56] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Giara Modern GTK Reddit App for Linux [Ubuntu PPA] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143903 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ffa1765-fca7-42a1-ae41-7ddf6a5689a5] ● Nov 01 [22:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: KVM and Intel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143904 [https://pleroma.site/objects/902a9746-2c6e-4abc-91ef-95b9e74a45c4] [22:04] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nitrux 1.3.4 Switches to KDE Plasma 5.20 Desktop, Offers Support for Linux Kernel 5.9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143901 [https://pleroma.site/objects/16cf6fba-f76b-479d-b3b4-56b2a9d80e6a] [22:07] schestowitz Interview with RMS work in progress [22:08] schestowitz "Will a Q&A be a possibility this month?" 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[23:00] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx As well* [23:01] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Been a lot of that in my RSS from his site. [23:01] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: Halloween Edition http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143908 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0d39da03-d3c6-47a2-8aeb-a7341f74aab0] [23:03] schestowitz does he still say vote green except in swing states? [23:06] schestowitz lol! [23:06] schestowitz firefox with one little tab took up 2GB of RAM!! [23:06] schestowitz this is craaazy, moz [23:06] superkuh It's not bad for an OS. [23:06] schestowitz it was just this tab: https://www.freeimages.com/photo/fake-moon-1182101 [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free fake moon Stock Photo - FreeImages.com [23:06] schestowitz after restarting it's saner [23:07] schestowitz Falkon at 53 MB of RAM [23:07] schestowitz one tab open [23:07] schestowitz wordpress panel [23:11] schestowitz I'm going to start leaving top open in a tab, sorted by ram usage [23:11] vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx Bed time for me. Have a good one, all. [23:11] schestowitz I need to understand why it's grinding to a halt at times [23:11] schestowitz vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: cheerio [23:12] schestowitz konqueror takes almost a whole CPU core's worth for doing nothing [23:12] schestowitz just some social control media thing polling for updates, which I cannot disable [23:13] schestowitz and now firefox takes 60% of a core, for doing nothing [23:13] schestowitz just sitting there [23:13] schestowitz wtf happened to the www? [23:13] schestowitz firefox-esr 44% [23:13] schestowitz Web Content 72% [23:13] schestowitz for just this page being opened: https://www.freeimages.com/photo/fake-moon-1182101 [23:14] superkuh Be the change. Disable javascript by default. [23:14] schestowitz I rarely use Firefox [23:14] schestowitz I used to disable more than JS in it [23:15] superkuh Ah. So no adblock/etc set up. [23:15] schestowitz now I browse the web with kate (editor) and quiterss [23:15] schestowitz javascript always off, otherwise I skip to the next site [23:16] schestowitz it's like merely being stationed in the page compels someone to mine bitcoin/cryptocurrency with my electric bill [23:17] schestowitz I've managed to bring that under control again [23:17] schestowitz I wonder if the ipfs extension vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx urged me to add caused part of that.. 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