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[07:59] schestowitz > Poor MJ is conflicted because he serves two masters. On the one hand he
[07:59] schestowitz > thinks himself an advocate because of his technical work, on the other
[07:59] schestowitz > he continues to prop up the enemy.
[07:59] schestowitz >
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[08:00] schestowitz > He thinks we declared them an enemy, when the quotes (public and in
[08:00] schestowitz > confidential memos) clearly paint their work as some holy war against
[08:00] schestowitz > our freedom.
[08:00] schestowitz >
[08:00] schestowitz > He will always be like this though, because on a certain level he is an
[08:00] schestowitz > opportunist. He may take both sides very seriously, but he contradicts
[08:00] schestowitz > himself wherever he goes. He doesn't have to deliberately play one side
[08:00] schestowitz > against the other. That's the struggle going on with him at all times,
[08:00] schestowitz > he brings it just by showing up to the party.
[08:00] schestowitz > Did Ariadne seriously just suggest (even jokingly) that torrents (which
[08:00] schestowitz > anybody is free-- in a technical sense but perhaps not legally in this
[08:00] schestowitz > context-- to use) are "classist" with regards to Netflix?
[08:00] schestowitz >
[08:00] schestowitz > Shit, I can't even afford fucking Netflix. Not only does it cost too
[08:00] schestowitz > much as a service, I don't have a budget for maintaining the sort of
[08:01] schestowitz > digital shitshow that is needed to run it. I could I suppose, get a Roku
[08:01] schestowitz > box. I still don't have the money for Netflix.
[08:01] schestowitz >
[08:01] schestowitz > Netflix literally restricts people from watching things by region, and
[08:01] schestowitz > keeps rich executives in charge of what you are allowed to watch
[08:01] schestowitz > (constantly cancelling things.) If we are talking about classism,
[08:01] schestowitz > Netflix is far more bourgeoisie than torrents.
[08:01] schestowitz >
[08:01] schestowitz > I do not begrudge Ariadne for being so well off that they have not only
[08:01] schestowitz > forgotten what it's like to not be able to budget Netflix in (I've only
[08:01] schestowitz > ever watched it with other people who could) but that apparently Netflix
[08:01] schestowitz > is the relatively neutral **champion of the masses**! But it is
[08:01] schestowitz > hilariously absurd.
[08:01] schestowitz >
[08:01] schestowitz > Please Roy, save us from your elitist software tools! I have heard this
[08:01] schestowitz > argument before in various incarnations, and it's typically not from
[08:01] schestowitz > people who bump elbows with the poor as often as Stallman has. I on the
[08:01] schestowitz > other hand, am a little bit more familiar with the technology used by
[08:01] schestowitz > the homeless and in countries where classism is yet more brutal.
[08:01] schestowitz > Ariadne: get fucking real!
[08:01] schestowitz >> but gnu/linux is an operating system for the classes, not the masses
[08:01] schestowitz >
[08:01] schestowitz > Okay, Ariadne is just a fucking IDIOT.
[08:01] schestowitz >
[08:01] schestowitz > The homeless shelter was fucking crippled by old Windows shitware. I
[08:01] schestowitz > personally brought all their old computers online and back to WORKING
[08:01] schestowitz > usability. Even Facebook worked, and it's bloated.
[08:01] schestowitz >
[08:01] schestowitz > The office computer was crawling, after I installed the "for the
[08:01] schestowitz > classes" OS, the volunteer in charge of the office ran out and said
[08:02] schestowitz > "IT'S SO MUCH FASTER!" Do you know who needed classes to use the system?
[08:02] schestowitz > Nobody. These were all Windows users.
[08:02] schestowitz >
[08:02] schestowitz > **FUCK OFF**, Ariadne. You're talking out of your ignorant white-bread
[08:02] schestowitz > asshole.
[08:02] schestowitz > I probably shouldn't bother trying to explain that one of the people I
[08:02] schestowitz > set up with Debian WAS a grandma.
[08:02] schestowitz >
[08:02] schestowitz > She didn't care about Netflix, she was on fixed income and living in
[08:02] schestowitz > income-adjusted housing. She watched the Hallmark channel on her television.
[08:02] schestowitz >
[08:02] schestowitz > Open Source, corporate whores... when Netflix becomes a free service,
[08:02] schestowitz > the sort of argument being made will be HALF an argument, instead of
[08:02] schestowitz > none at all.
[08:02] schestowitz >> by the way, the ability to make tradeoffs is PART of software freedom
[08:02] schestowitz >
[08:02] schestowitz > Whereas constant compromise and erosion and entryism deliberately KILLS
[08:02] schestowitz > software freedom.
[08:03] schestowitz >> free software is most widely deployed in service to the oppressor,
[08:03] schestowitz > incidentally
[08:03] schestowitz >
[08:03] schestowitz > Jesus fuck...
[08:03] schestowitz >
[08:04] schestowitz > ALL SOFTWARE is most widely deployed in service to the oppressor.
[08:04] schestowitz >
[08:04] schestowitz > The oppressors have the most technology because they have most of the
[08:04] schestowitz > world's wealth. No matter what sort of software exists, it's going to
[08:04] schestowitz > scale that whoever owns half the world's economy is going to own half
[08:04] schestowitz > the technology in it.
[08:04] schestowitz >
[08:04] schestowitz > Defence contractors don't have to honour copyrights or patents either.
[08:04] schestowitz >
[08:04] schestowitz > You can't use software (or licenses) to fix how much software the
[08:04] schestowitz > oppressor runs. You need other kinds political reform to reduce how much
[08:04] schestowitz > wealth is funneled to oppressors. That's not an easy problem at all, but
[08:04] schestowitz > software won't fix that.
[08:04] schestowitz >
[08:04] schestowitz > Free software removes oppression from the user's computer. It doesn't
[08:04] schestowitz > remove software from oppressors' computers. It wasn't designed to, and
[08:04] schestowitz > there's no reason it could.
[08:04] schestowitz >
[08:04] schestowitz > But saying "free software is most widely deployed in service to the
[08:04] schestowitz > oppressor, incidentally" is like saying "most organic food is eaten by
[08:04] schestowitz > fat rich people". It's a completely irrelevant metric that tells you
[08:04] schestowitz > nothing about the nature of the thing being measured.
[08:04] schestowitz > Ariadne for example Nov 14 10:51
[08:04] schestowitz > Ariadne you think it is bad that ubuntu integrates widevine Nov 14 10:51
[08:04] schestowitz > Ariadne because DRM bad Nov 14 10:51
[08:04] schestowitz > Ariadne but the fact that they do has enabled more users to switch to
[08:04] schestowitz > gnu/linux and gain freedom at large Nov 14 10:51
[08:04] schestowitz > Ariadne which was the entirety of my point really
[08:04] schestowitz >
[08:04] schestowitz > Yeah and Roy, you think it's bad that Bill Gates is a criminal, when the
[08:04] schestowitz > fact is that Windows is a champion of grandmas who want to watch Netflix.
[08:04] schestowitz >
[08:04] schestowitz > Ubuntu's growth predates Widevine existing. The bulk of what they've
[08:04] schestowitz > done has very little to do with DRM at all. If we go back not very far,
[08:04] schestowitz > getting an ordinary DVD to play in Ubuntu was just as much of a pain as
[08:04] schestowitz > it was on any other distro.
[08:06] schestowitz > Telnet is basically ssh without encryption.
[08:06] schestowitz >
[08:06] schestowitz > So a while back I decided I wanted to create a BBS like experience by
[08:06] schestowitz > having a public-facing ssh login, a generic user and password and
[08:06] schestowitz > instead of running a bash command line, I just wrote a program in Python
[08:06] schestowitz > and changed /etc/shells and /etc/password to the filepath of the "BBS"
[08:06] schestowitz > script. It takes 5 minutes.
[08:06] schestowitz >
[08:06] schestowitz > Then anybody with the user and password (you could make separate
[08:06] schestowitz > accounts for everybody, that wasnt the idea though) could access any
[08:06] schestowitz > features the script had.
[08:06] schestowitz >
[08:06] schestowitz > Using it from ssh was just like using it directly. It did colour via
[08:06] schestowitz > ansi escapes (Fig has a few lines of code for that) and got input via
[08:06] schestowitz > raw_input() (in Python 3 it's just input()).
[08:06] schestowitz >
[08:06] schestowitz > If I was doing this on TR I'd put it in its own container like other
[08:06] schestowitz > things are, maybe chroot if necessary (I think the container makes that
[08:06] schestowitz > redundant, I don't typically use those) and probably choose Lua over
[08:06] schestowitz > Python, since the number of features you're going to need are around a
[08:06] schestowitz > dozen-- print, input, a loop, maybe functions.
[08:06] schestowitz >
[08:06] schestowitz > You can probably find a program to do this stuff for you, or a few. I
[08:06] schestowitz > had more fun. You do obviously want it to be robust as possible. I never
[08:06] schestowitz > trust networked input to Bash though. Use a proper scripting language.
[08:06] schestowitz We've mostly given up on the idea as almost nobody would use it.
[08:06] schestowitz > I agree with Figos entirely here.
[08:06] schestowitz > I've seen this so many times that I have come to recognize it as _the_
[08:07] schestowitz > preferred rhetorical device. First confound the domain you are talking
[08:07] schestowitz > about. Then shift that domain solely onto your field of endeavor, and
[08:07] schestowitz > then you win.
[08:07] schestowitz > I've stated before that some people prosper precisely because they
[08:07] schestowitz > straddle the fence. This way they can present themselves leaning one
[08:07] schestowitz > way or the other as the situation sees fit. As long as they seem
[08:07] schestowitz > sincere, this works like a charm.
[08:07] schestowitz > Ah, I've seen _this_ argument many times also. If someone is sincerely
[08:07] schestowitz > trying to appeal to the common man, where better to hit them than with a
[08:07] schestowitz > charge of "elitism"? We see this in the Green Party all the time.
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