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[08:39] schestowitz x http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-011120.html#tNov%2001%2010:54:50
[08:39] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 01, 2020
[08:39] schestowitz # complete and utter bullshit ^W ^W ^W ^W I respectully disagree.
[08:39] schestowitz # see earlier post about platforms
[08:47] schestowitz x https://www.dawn.com/news/1588020/editorial-the-french-president-can-learn-from-trudeaus-response-to-the-blasphemous-sketches
[08:47] schestowitz # appeasement in Canada
[08:47] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.dawn.com | Dangerous path - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
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[16:49] schestowitz My favorite story-in-two-headlines:
[16:49] schestowitz NSA offering 'billions' for Skype eavesdrop solution (2009) https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/12/nsa_offers_billions_f...
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[16:49] schestowitz Microsoft Buys Skype for $8.5 Billion. Why, Exactly? (2011) https://www.wired.com/2011/05/microsoft-buys-skype-2/
[16:49] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.wired.com | Microsoft Buys Skype for $8.5 Billion. Why, Exactly? | WIRED
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[16:49] schestowitz lern_too_spel 1 day ago []
[16:49] schestowitz Snowden's leaks showed that Skype allowed governments to wiretap its video calls since at least 2010, when those wiretaps were ingested into PRISM. That is before the Microsoft acquisition.
[16:49] schestowitz It takes a minute of Google searching to debunk this conspiracy theory.
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[16:49] schestowitz Lammy 20 hours ago []
[16:49] schestowitz The PRISM slide you're incorrectly referencing shows Skype collection beginning "2/6/11", which in our stupid American short-date format means June 2nd 2011. It's fine if you choose to believe that date has nothing to do with Microsoft's announced-in-May-2011 acquisition of a service that began operation in August 2003, but it's very rude of you to denigrate my completely reasonable observation as a "conspiracy theory". Enjoy your Skype
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[16:49] schestowitz There's nothing dinigrating about a theory about a conspiracy being called a conspiracy theory and that reaction gets more and more curious the more I think about it. If you want people to take the idea of plots between the NSA and major companies seriously it seems counterproductive to stigmatise conspiracy theories.
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[16:50] schestowitz It's a bad-faith term intended only to shut down conversations.
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[16:50] schestowitz lern_too_spel 18 hours ago []
[16:50] schestowitz It is a term that has a specific meaning. You have a theory that there is a conspiracy between Microsoft and the NSA. No such conspiracy exists. Skype started to forward wiretap data to the FBI in 2010 (presumably from owned supernodes and POTS gateways), and Microsoft continued that work after the purchase. There is no evidence that either Skype or Microsoft worked with the NSA on Skype wiretaps, and there is no evidence that either
[16:50] schestowitz took a multibillion dollar payout for it.
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[16:50] schestowitz I'm not referring to a PRISM slide for when Skype wiretapping began. PRISM ingestion happens long after a system can be wiretapped but presumably contains data from the when the FBI first started wiretapping these systems. I'm referencing documents the Guardian claimed to have seen that said wiretapping work began in November 2010. Also, 2/6/2011 means February 6, 2011 in the American system. According to The Guardian:
[16:50] schestowitz "According to the NSA documents, work had begun on smoothly integrating Skype into Prism in November 2010, but it was not until 4 February 2011 that the company was served with a directive to comply signed by the attorney general.
[16:50] schestowitz "The NSA was able to start tasking Skype communications the following day, and collection began on 6 February."
[16:50] schestowitz It is not rude to point out misinformation, and your comment fits the definition of "conspiracy theory."
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[16:50] schestowitz joana035 1 day ago []
[16:50] schestowitz Microsoft become a PRISM provider in 2007 and Skype in 2011.
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[16:50] schestowitz The only PRISM "provider" is the FBI, as Snowden's slides clearly show. The dates are when the integration work to ingest data (requested for individual accounts being wiretapped) from the various formats that the companies provide to the FBI completed.
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[16:50] schestowitz desilentio 1 day ago []
[16:50] schestowitz Any direct evidence that Zoom is giving full access to the NSA now?
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[16:50] schestowitz propogandist 1 day ago []
[16:50] schestowitz they didn't even make an effort to make meetings end to end encrypted until press coverage put them under fire
[16:50] schestowitz https://theintercept.com/2020/03/31/zoom-meeting-encryption/
[16:50] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-theintercept.com | Zoom Meetings Do Not Support End-to-End Encryption
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[16:50] schestowitz qppo 1 day ago []
[16:51] schestowitz More like the PLA
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[16:51] schestowitz bergstromm466 1 day ago []
[16:51] schestowitz May I ask for the reason/thought behind your question?
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[16:51] schestowitz desilentio 1 day ago []
[16:51] schestowitz Since everybody is now using Zoom and not Skype, I would expect the NSA to try to get the same access to Zoom conversations as they have to Skype conversations. And I don't have the impression that Zoom would say no to billions of dollars to protect its users' privacy.
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[16:51] schestowitz mgbmtl 1 day ago []
[16:51] schestowitz Just a reminder that Microsoft also owns many popular authentication services, including GitHub, LinkedIn and Hotmail/Outlook, not to mention Azure AD.
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[16:51] schestowitz anshumankmr 1 day ago []
[16:51] schestowitz Time to switch to Gitlab I guess
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[16:51] schestowitz propogandist 1 day ago []
[16:51] schestowitz Windows 10 is the ultimate spy machine, it was shoved down everyones throats "for free", and constantly phoning home.
[16:51] schestowitz Each new OS updates introduces more telemetry and the phoning home can't be disabled unless you have an expensive enterprise version of Win 10 (LTSB).
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[16:51] schestowitz arminiusreturns 1 day ago []
[16:51] schestowitz It's fun to see a more old school style website, in both the sense of presentation and content. Go techrights.
[16:51] schestowitz http://techrights.org/?stories
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[16:51] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Techrights | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom
[16:51] schestowitz jmakov 1 day ago []
[16:51] schestowitz What makes you think your local data isn't uploaded all the time and evaluated for cases when you request a visa or similar? Or for building a psy profile.
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[16:52] schestowitz Server seems to be down, here's a copy from Wayback Machine (archived today):
[16:52] schestowitz https://web.archive.org/web/20201101084005/http://techrights...
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[16:52] schestowitz What is the probability that my (a nobody's) Windows backdoor will ever be used?
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[16:52] schestowitz ackbar03 1 day ago []
[16:52] schestowitz Well then clearly you have some work to do. Everyone knows that you've only made it when your a target for eavesdropping by the nsa
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[16:52] schestowitz fit2rule 1 day ago []
[16:52] schestowitz Depends on whether you are actively engaged in promoting views and beliefs that the mainstream don't want out there.
[16:52] schestowitz Or maybe you're interested in securing the future for our children by degrading state secrecy.
[16:52] schestowitz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24957702
[16:52] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Microsoft and the NSA | Hacker News
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