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[07:58] schestowitz-TR good morning
[07:58] schestowitz-TR yes, re your remark on ddos
[07:58] schestowitz-TR I constantly feel compelled to pick the FUD and respond to it at least with one liners
[07:58] schestowitz-TR that might not get noticed much
[07:58] schestowitz-TR but even in TM and TR those same FUD patterns can be undone
[07:58] schestowitz-TR and maybe readers will "take from from there" and rebut similarly
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[08:00] schestowitz-TR itwire used to be posting good rebuttals to fud
[08:00] schestowitz-TR always from sam
[08:00] schestowitz-TR I see he and hos co's now have mandatory microsoft spam to churn out
[08:00] schestowitz-TR to defuse such rebuttals of FUD
[08:00] schestowitz-TR or saturate to the point nobody will bother reading these
[08:11] Techrights-sec2 yes there has been a terrible uptick in M$ spam there somewhat recently
[08:11] Techrights-sec2 yes
[08:11] schestowitz-TR like with upc, no perfect way to respond
[08:11] schestowitz-TR for starters, you give visibility to something otherwise seen by just a handful of people
[08:11] schestowitz-TR so I think a token, quick rebuttal, with repetition can help
[08:11] schestowitz-TR same for gates foundation a decade ago
[08:11] schestowitz-TR so the crimtical thinking kicks off
[08:11] schestowitz-TR "it's not just me thinking this is BS..."
[08:11] Techrights-sec2 the spam is damaging ITWire badly and it will soon be time to skip over
[08:11] Techrights-sec2 checking it daily for news
[08:13] schestowitz-TR less than a year ago we did, for maybe a month, have itwire in auto,
[08:13] schestowitz-TR but it fatigued me as maybe I found one REAL ARTICLE (as in REAL) among a seas of
[08:13] schestowitz-TR BS/spam. Not just ON-TOPIC of topic of interest to me, but something that
[08:13] schestowitz-TR did nor smack of TFIR spamnil
[08:13] schestowitz-TR the "extremely well-connected" "filmmaker"
[08:14] Techrights-sec2 there are not so many on-topic articles there since the spam surge and
[08:14] Techrights-sec2 of course even fewer relevant articles then
[08:15] schestowitz-TR those are two separate aspects
[08:15] schestowitz-TR one is akin to disinformation
[08:15] schestowitz-TR so it's not merely time-wasting
[08:15] schestowitz-TR it can do actual damage
[08:15] Techrights-sec2 saturate, diffuse, confuse
[08:15] Techrights-sec2 as a means of shutting down topics and sites
[08:19] schestowitz-TR upside: SN recognises that it is under attack
[08:19] schestowitz-TR downside: they seem to think spam is the problem; from what I saw, it might be astroturfing
[08:19] schestowitz-TR like the astorturfing chris dibona privately told me about (when he was running ./)
[08:20] schestowitz-TR /.
[08:20] schestowitz-TR BTW, I was just thinking one hour ago:
[08:20] schestowitz-TR how to best explain why TR does not have comments anymore
[08:20] schestowitz-TR none this year
[08:20] schestowitz-TR they are too much of a liability
[08:20] schestowitz-TR companies can deface posts
[08:20] schestowitz-TR I suspected there was such an attempt in schestowitz.com
[08:20] schestowitz-TR to get it deindexed on a certain topic
[08:22] Techrights-sec2 it is a problem of shills and astroturfing, naively mistaken as spam
[08:22] Techrights-sec2 there's no way to log in and comment nor to log in and make an account
[08:22] Techrights-sec2 then the UI is not very good and then perhaps most importantly
[08:22] Techrights-sec2 it is out of fashion to comment at a site since most sites that still
[08:22] Techrights-sec2 deal with comments outsource it to social control media instead so that
[08:22] Techrights-sec2 it can be manipulated and censored for political means
[08:23] schestowitz-TR trolling example
[08:23] schestowitz-TR person A posts story: microsoft is good
[08:24] schestowitz-TR persob B replies agreeing
[08:24] schestowitz-TR many people don't agree
[08:24] schestowitz-TR and here they are wasting a TON of energy getting angry at the people who lie for Microsoft
[08:24] schestowitz-TR both persons A and B are a problem
[08:24] schestowitz-TR we had this issue in IRC, like people who bring up sex
[08:24] schestowitz-TR days ago the channel became about abortionbs, masturbation and other off-putting stuff
[08:24] schestowitz-TR irc is like our comments section
[08:24] schestowitz-TR but at least it is very much isolated from pertinent posts
[08:24] schestowitz-TR linking to irc to claim something about a site is something debian disliked
[08:24] schestowitz-TR very often projects introduce CoCs for this reason
[08:24] Techrights-sec2 yes that's a similar phenomenon
[08:34] schestowitz-TR "Outrage divident"
[08:34] schestowitz-TR apt term re ^^^
[08:34] schestowitz-TR it's "soping"
[08:34] schestowitz-TR doping
[08:34] schestowitz-TR short-term gain in traffic
[08:34] schestowitz-TR angry people
[08:34] schestowitz-TR but it leads toa formation of resistance
[08:34] schestowitz-TR so in the long run people don't come back
[08:34] schestowitz-TR SN is making errorss
[08:34] schestowitz-TR by creating resistance to readers
[08:34] schestowitz-TR TM tries hard to avoid shit like WSL and Edg
[08:34] schestowitz-TR no need to create strong emotional reaction
[08:34] schestowitz-TR like LXer does sometimes
[08:34] schestowitz-TR *dividend
[08:34] schestowitz-TR some amateurs see that certain toxic storeies get more hits
[08:34] schestowitz-TR so they post more and more of them
[08:34] schestowitz-TR without realising the damage this 'doping' does to 'internal organs'
[08:34] schestowitz-TR and that's how sites die ime
[08:36] Techrights-sec2 ack
[08:36] Techrights-sec2 ack
[08:37] schestowitz-TR why would russia target norway?
[08:37] schestowitz-TR any special reason?c
[08:37] schestowitz-TR could be some 'stray' crackers, but I've not been paying attention to nordic politics in re russia
[08:39] Techrights-sec2 norway is in NATO and there have been fights over oil and fishing. the fishing
[08:39] Techrights-sec2 fights are, IMHO, because 1) that's where the political power is/was in Norway
[08:39] Techrights-sec2 and 2) it is the only barrier to the oil
[08:44] Techrights-sec2 cyberattacks are just one means of several used to politically destabilize the
[08:44] Techrights-sec2 region; others include using settlers en masse to establish competing colonies
[08:44] Techrights-sec2 within the contested territories, as well as combining all of the above with
[08:44] Techrights-sec2 massive disinformation and social control campaigns via social control media
[08:44] schestowitz-TR it's like an experiment
[08:44] schestowitz-TR rt and sputnik have lojng played off the extreme right and the unwanted immigrants
[08:44] schestowitz-TR it was so successful that they do this in the US now
[08:44] schestowitz-TR and the countrry is fighting itself, becoming a laughing stock
[08:44] schestowitz-TR much of this was enabled by internationalisation of comms
[08:44] schestowitz-TR iow, the pentagon's "Internet" (ARPA) turned against itself
[08:44] schestowitz-TR Both RT and Sputnik invited me
[08:45] schestowitz-TR but only to "bash" the West
[08:45] schestowitz-TR I'm not THAT foolish
[08:45] schestowitz-TR Annie Machon has mostly vanished from site the past few years
[08:45] schestowitz-TR as did RMS
[08:45] schestowitz-TR and jill stein is something in history books
[08:48] schestowitz-TR yes, they do that; the immigration is not the problem; it is the settlement
[08:48] schestowitz-TR yet they (RT , Sputnik) cultivate anger at all newcomers, whether hostile or not
[08:48] schestowitz-TR yes they eventually get the country fighting itself while at least one half
[08:48] schestowitz-TR concurrently works to undermine the nation
[08:48] schestowitz-TR The Internet is still ok, with the exception of BGP and DNS, what is not ok
[08:48] schestowitz-TR is the social control media with rides atop the Internet
[08:48] schestowitz-TR That was a smart decision; RT and Sputnik would have only worked against TR's
[08:48] schestowitz-TR goals and later reputation;
[08:48] schestowitz-TR RMS has mostly had good judgment but it was dumb to speak to them
[08:48] schestowitz-TR since, from the "interview", it was very clear they had *no* interest
[08:48] schestowitz-TR in software or software freedom and were only interested in anti-US sound bites
[08:48] schestowitz-TR However, RMS fatal mistake was not the mailing list faux pas but the inexcusiabinexcusably dumb decision to go to Redmond. They whacked him at that point
[08:48] schestowitz-TR .
[08:48] schestowitz-TR leaving his last prominent public appearance in the hands of M$ spinmeisters
[08:48] schestowitz-TR anyway the far right / extremist on the right are wound up about misdirections
[08:48] schestowitz-TR instead of going after the real problem in their society:
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 yes, they do that; the immigration is not the problem; it is the settlement
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 yet they (RT , Sputnik) cultivate anger at all newcomers, whether hostile or not
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 yes they eventually get the country fighting itself while at least one half
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 concurrently works to undermine the nation
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 The Internet is still ok, with the exception of BGP and DNS, what is not ok
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 is the social control media with rides atop the Internet
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 That was a smart decision; RT and Sputnik would have only worked against TR's
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 goals and later reputation;
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 RMS has mostly had good judgment but it was dumb to speak to them
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 since, from the "interview", it was very clear they had *no* interest
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 in software or software freedom and were only interested in anti-US sound bites
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 However, RMS fatal mistake was not the mailing list faux pas but the inexcusiabinexcusably dumb decision to go to Redmond. They whacked him at that point
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 .
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 leaving his last prominent public appearance in the hands of M$ spinmeisters
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 anyway the far right / extremist on the right are wound up about misdirections
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 instead of going after the real problem in their society:
[08:49] Techrights-sec2 the media and many officials also do what they can to facilitate that misdirection
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 the key problem with the US elections is the first-past-the-post method
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 of counting a "winner" rather than using proportional representation;
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 some states are starting to correct that but both sides of the oligarch's
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 group are heaviliy invested in the status quo and it is too late to change
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 for the 2024 election so it will be more or less a repetition ofthe 2016
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 fiasco
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 social control media and all
[08:53] Techrights-sec2
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-30
[08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-100 Percent Of The Vote - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-30 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-29
[08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Public Doesn't Trust Us - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-29 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-28
[08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ratbert In Charge Of Data Security - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-28 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-27
[08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Voting Machine Market - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-27 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[08:53] Techrights-sec2 however even the topic of immigration is fraught with both misinformation
[08:54] Techrights-sec2 and disinformation as so many intentionally conflate illegal migration,
[08:54] Techrights-sec2 colonization, asylum, and work-based immigration
[08:54] schestowitz-TR ack
[08:54] schestowitz-TR checking the strips
[08:54] schestowitz-TR I used to watch dilbert every day
[08:54] schestowitz-TR the plasma thing was leaking RAM
[08:54] schestowitz-TR so I stopped
[08:56] Techrights-sec2 If I had to guess a lot of that is somehow related to knocking the bottom
[08:56] Techrights-sec2 out of the labor market with the "gig economy" projects like Wolt, Uber,
[08:56] Techrights-sec2 AirBNB, etc
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[09:00] schestowitz-TR ok, so he risks being ncalled insurrectoinist and trump msupporter
[09:00] schestowitz-TR it's the latest narrrative
[09:00] schestowitz-TR for "voting" machione companies
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[09:01] Techrights-sec2 is this site legit? https://fsfellowship.news/
[09:01] Techrights-sec2 yes they use strawman arguments to great effect to the detriment of the
[09:01] Techrights-sec2 actual elections
[09:01] Techrights-sec2 so all researchers on the topic are now marginalized as their cause gets
[09:01] Techrights-sec2 picked up and replaced by crazies
[09:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.news | Free Software Fellowship
[09:02] schestowitz-TR edwin black worried his books would be used by pro-lifers
[09:03] schestowitz-TR because in his writings abotu eugenics he mentioned "Planned Parentlhood"
[09:03] schestowitz-TR which does have historical connections to eugenics
[09:03] schestowitz-TR so he wrote a disclaimer to distance himself and repel them
[09:07] Techrights-sec2 ack
[09:07] Techrights-sec2 J. Alex Halderman seems to have been forced into a very low profile
[09:12] schestowitz-TR lol, eu politicians in their 70s agree to half petrol cars 13 years from now
[09:12] schestowitz-TR I guuess they want cars that run on air when they are 6 feet under
[09:12] schestowitz-TR what political BS
[09:12] schestowitz-TR they could ban these immediately
[09:12] Techrights-sec2 yes the deadline is so far into the future as to, careerwise, be "never"
[09:13] schestowitz-TR like microsoft pledges for some year when the company might no longer exist
[09:13] schestowitz-TR failing and bought by some other company for the trademarks
[09:13] schestowitz
When a constitution was proposed in 1998, 357 co-authors of Debian were asked to vote on the constitution. This is not really voting though: people who gave a positive vote were agreeing to be members. People who gave a negative vote or did not vote at all have not consented to the constitution and therefore there is no way we can think of them as members of anything.
[09:13] schestowitz
The names of people who voted were published. Those people, just 86 developers, became members of an association by giving their positive assent to be governed by a constitution in their dealings with each other.
[09:13] schestowitz
That means there are 357 - 86 = 271 people, or 76 percent, who were satisfied to work on Debian as joint authors without any notion of an association.
[09:13] schestowitz
[09:13] schestowitz
[09:16] Techrights-sec2 yes and while they delay, the damaging behavior goes on unabated
[09:17] schestowitz-TR "let's spin our POLLUTION as warming up people's homes"
[09:17] schestowitz-TR Zemlin: "you could pay me a couple of millions to say that you are green and your greeness is Linux(TM)-approved"
[09:17] schestowitz-TR "shut up, Linus, none of yout business; I did not ask for your opinion"
[09:20] Techrights-sec2 ack
[09:29] schestowitz-TR kevin from shadowproof (used to be writing in other domains) has more or less become inactive
[09:29] schestowitz-TR except when something major happens in the assange case
[09:29] schestowitz-TR barrett bown also vainish afaict
[09:29] schestowitz-TR a lot of WBer-related circles was gaslit by the media in recent years
[09:29] schestowitz-TR it's like EPO scandals
[09:29] Techrights-sec2 too many have become quiet of late
[09:29] Techrights-sec2 that's true, I'd even forgotten about BB he has vanished so thoroughly
[09:30] schestowitz-TR he keeps a stain that makes it harder for him to seek employment in TX
[09:30] schestowitz-TR lots of typos above, sorry
[09:30] Techrights-sec2 np
[09:32] schestowitz-TR I might call it the "malda effetc"
[09:32] schestowitz-TR one day you're a star
[09:32] schestowitz-TR then a nobody
[09:32] schestowitz-TR and it's hard to take, some sink into depression or other addictions like computer games
[09:32] Techrights-sec2 computer games are a waste of life
[09:34] schestowitz-TR playtime for kids used to involve balls and pavements
[09:34] schestowitz-TR I guess that made them fitter and more social
[09:35] schestowitz-TR I wasted a lot of my childhood on games
[09:35] schestowitz-TR but mostly quests and strategy
[09:35] schestowitz-TR not shooting
[09:35] schestowitz-TR maybe better than watching TV, which I did too
[09:37] Techrights-sec2 playing with SBC's whether general-purpose or microcontrollers would
[09:37] Techrights-sec2 be much more constructive and even lead to positive side effects
[09:37] Techrights-sec2 along those lines I see that MagPi 119 has been published:
[09:37] Techrights-sec2 https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/issues/119
[09:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-magpi.raspberrypi.com | The MagPi issue 119 The MagPi magazine
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 I see they are focusing more on their 'Pico' unit; I can guess several reasons
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 one being that the parts shortages throughout the supply chain affect that
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 type of board far less than their "full-sized" general-purpose boards
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 worse than regular games, kids are now addicted to phone apps, such as (FB)
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 instagram, tiktok, and others; that keeps them from interacting with
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 eachother or anyone for that matter; so I would guess that a kid growing up
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 now will have by age 20 the life experience of what a 12 year old used to have
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 then at that age, even if they reform, it is way too late to make up lost time
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 so their cognitive life is over without skills or experience
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 TV was also a waste of time; looking back I regret even a minute of it
[09:38] Techrights-sec2 though I grew out of it nearly 100% by late teens
[09:41] Techrights-sec2 some types of games can help problem solving but only to a limited extent since
[09:41] Techrights-sec2 they are so constrained; nowadays they are simply designed for addiction and
[09:41] Techrights-sec2 pay-to-win in-game purchasing
[09:42] schestowitz-TR The incredible machine (tim) and tim2 were nice
[09:42] schestowitz-TR I still have notes with some titles of games I played
[09:42] schestowitz-TR I wrote their named down during very boring lectures
[09:42] schestowitz-TR trying to do something more useful with my time
[09:42] schestowitz-TR all those lectures were a waste of time
[09:42] schestowitz-TR I was like "extra" in an audicnece of some follow scholars whose work
[09:42] schestowitz-TR I did not care about and barely understood
[09:42] schestowitz-TR a lot of academia is like that
[09:42] schestowitz-TR we get to pretend to care fo presentations
[09:42] schestowitz-TR and do this mutually
[09:42] schestowitz-TR so it's like "I like your tweet, you will like mine in return"
[09:45] Techrights-sec2 social control media, as mentioned, is probably the biggest addiction and
[09:45] Techrights-sec2 timewaster that people are afflicted with, but on top of both those problems
[09:45] Techrights-sec2 there is the severe matter that it is used to manipulate values and opinions
[09:45] Techrights-sec2 with the younger crowd, it is setting their vaues, mores, and worldview --
[09:45] Techrights-sec2 crookedly
[09:45] schestowitz-TR did you see the post I did this morning about kakistocracy?
[09:45] schestowitz-TR see the example given last
[09:45] schestowitz-TR I can relate to it as I saw it
[09:46] Techrights-sec2 checking
[09:46] Techrights-sec2 yes, though summary needed a bit about how Campinos was hired despite being
[09:46] Techrights-sec2 unfit
[09:46] Techrights-sec2 that's in the bitmap but not the readable text
[09:46] schestowitz-TR afaik, it was about battistelli
[09:46] schestowitz-TR I could add this ref:
[09:50] schestowitz-TR I cannot find it as I forgot the spelling of his french surname (not for the first time)
[09:50] schestowitz-TR it's something like berranas
[09:50] schestowitz-TR anyway, Battistelli is D player who brought another D, Campinos
[09:50] schestowitz-TR so it was a turning point
[09:50] schestowitz-TR those posts from yesterday were accessed a lot
[09:50] schestowitz-TR let's hope they influence person-to-p[erson disloagues
[09:59] schestowitz-TR OpenLibrary https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/29/enjoy-digital-ownership-and-public-libraries-while-you-still-can/ | Source: Techdirt
[09:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Enjoy Digital Ownership And Public Libraries While You Still Can | Techdirt
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[10:03] schestowitz-TR just realised no irc post yet today
[10:07] Techrights-sec2 checking
[10:07] Techrights-sec2 it's there, just somehow WP choked on it somehow and it "missed schedule"
[10:07] Techrights-sec2 I'll give it a kick in the nads
[10:07] Techrights-sec2 that happens fairly often lately
[10:07] Techrights-sec2 anyway, it's publishe now
[10:09] schestowitz-TR asking any sites to REMOVE such functionality, however negligible, is like asking the cook to remove the mustard from your meakl
[10:09] schestowitz-TR (yes, commit log cartoon)
[10:09] schestowitz-TR or putting the toothpaste you don't need back inside the tube
[10:22] schestowitz-TR I think it qawas called Comic Log
[10:22] schestowitz-TR anyway, that too was a "plasmoid"
[10:22] schestowitz-TR before I realised itwas clobbering at my system due to a bug and removed them all
[10:26] Techrights-sec2 It's not removing anything, rather it is swapping out a kilo of javascript
[10:26] Techrights-sec2 for two more functional HTML elements. However, I do see your point, their
[10:26] Techrights-sec2 goal might not be to reach the largest possible audience but instead show
[10:26] Techrights-sec2 off how "clever" they are through excessive and unnecessary javascript
[10:26] Techrights-sec2 afflictions
[10:26] Techrights-sec2 the 'Sunk Cost Fallacy' might also rear its ugly head in that they've already
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 paid for the javascript development and therefore feel compelled to use it
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 no matter how much it hurts
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 Commit Log is not indexed in some of the search engines
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 in the news, the one remaining bataclan terrorist will be able to continue
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 his work but now from behind bars instead of spending the time reforming
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 presumably he will spread his agenda to others if he allowed contact with
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 other prisoners
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 Can't find the comic link still
[10:27] Techrights-sec2 dang that was difficult to dig out: https://www.commitstrip.com/en/
[10:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-CommitStrip | The blog relating the daily life of web agency developers
[10:29] schestowitz-TR I've just tried, in vain, to find the cartoon
[10:29] schestowitz-TR it does not matter much
[10:29] schestowitz-TR you may have seen it already
[10:38] Techrights-sec2 I've only seen a few from that strip
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[14:01] schestowitz-TR just fyi
[14:01] schestowitz-TR today too the FUD from Microsoft continues
[14:01] schestowitz-TR they are not even subtle about attacking the "Linux" brand
[14:01] schestowitz-TR I rebut quieltly
[14:01] schestowitz-TR not giving it TOO much visibility
[14:01] schestowitz-TR as an aside, earlier I lost my concentration asnd forgot something I was gonna do
[14:01] schestowitz-TR I still experiment with sleeping patterns and study their effect on memory
[14:01] schestowitz-TR I did, however, manage to produce alot in TR lately
[14:01] schestowitz-TR Gulag Noise was such an utter waste of time in retrospect
[14:01] schestowitz-TR no better than social control media
[14:01] schestowitz-TR it became a sort of form of it
[14:01] schestowitz-TR same for gulagtube
[14:01] schestowitz-TR the internet as a whole seems "unhealthy" because of the way
[14:01] schestowitz-TR it cluster and delivers things
[14:01] schestowitz-TR it's mostly controlled by few corporations
[14:01] schestowitz-TR and their aim is never to actually help or inform you
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[14:05] schestowitz-TR I will be happy when I'm on full control ofm my thought process and attention spam, requires removing external factors like notification
[14:05] schestowitz-TR and engagement-driven provocation, as noted above. I think being able to think clearly or compose thoughts is key to bliss.
[14:05] thisideup they just pissed cause linux desktop is taking their place in russia
[14:06] schestowitz-TR microsoft?
[14:06] thisideup yes
[14:06] schestowitz-TR that too
[14:08] thisideup https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/windows-10s-22h2-update-might-not-actually-do-much-of-anything/
[14:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Windows 10s 22H2 update might not actually do much of anything | Ars Technica
[14:08] thisideup thei just teasin russian cause they cant update
[14:11] schestowitz-TR updates can be worse
[14:11] schestowitz-TR can be back doors
[14:11] schestowitz-TR custom-made for Russians
[14:12] schestowitz-TR they should quit using windows altogether
[14:12] schestowitz-TR if they care
[14:12] schestowitz-TR not that I support putin
[14:12] Techrights-sec2 ack
[14:12] Techrights-sec2 M$ is always attacking, that's just the nature of the cult
[14:12] Techrights-sec2 they attack because they can there were some Plaintiff's Exhibits to that
[14:12] Techrights-sec2 effect saying it flat out
[14:14] psydroid2 if I were Russia I would have thrown M$ out and demanded critical applications be ported to GNU/Linux a long time ago
[14:22] schestowitz-TR they said they would
[14:22] schestowitz-TR but the cult has presence there
[14:22] schestowitz-TR to try to "defuse" rationality
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[14:53] thisideup I love google
[14:57] schestowitz-TR Going Increasingly Dark (Intransparent) About COVID-19 Data Just When Its Surging at Astounding Rates (Worst Summer on Record) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/covid-19-patients-in-hospital/
[14:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Going Increasingly Dark (Intransparent) About COVID-19 Data Just When Its Surging at Astounding Rates (Worst Summer on Record)
[14:57] schestowitz-TR thisideup: no you don't.. ;-)
[14:58] schestowitz-TR Techrights-sec2: the issue is not exercise, the issue is how I stack up todo items and deal with overload of info spillover (calls on phone are super-bad)
[14:58] schestowitz-TR I did a video this morning about how I can exercise while reading
[14:58] schestowitz-TR and 'standing desk'
[14:59] schestowitz-TR trying to buffer intent to do actions a-z is the hard part
[14:59] schestowitz-TR after 3 items it's easy to lose track, so need to shield from overload or start taking notes down
● Jun 30
[15:10] Techrights-sec2 ack
[15:58] schestowitz-TR "Linux gamer" so lost in terms of topics... "Picking parts for our new PC!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[15:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw )
● Jun 30
[17:09] Techrights-sec2 ack
[17:11] schestowitz-TR lesson of the day: clown computing = lunacy
[17:12] schestowitz-TR target: world's largest (almost) municipality
[17:12] schestowitz-TR downtime duration: 40 mins
[17:12] schestowitz-TR cause: billing
[17:12] schestowitz-TR greedy jeff bezos wants more money
[17:12] schestowitz-TR root access not enough
[17:12] schestowitz-TR large municipality: fail. db exceeds 45 gb
[17:12] schestowitz-TR techrights: it's OK, our DB can also exceed 500GB ;-)
[17:12] schestowitz-TR no need to ask the world's richest person, across the Atlantic, for permission
[17:12] schestowitz-TR also: method of resolution: access PROPRIETARY GUI
[17:12] schestowitz-TR IF you have credentials
[17:12] schestowitz-TR (we don't)
[17:13] schestowitz-TR russian hackers, hold 'yo beer
[17:13] schestowitz-TR we have incompetent managers who outsourced the infra to "Sleepy Joe"
[17:13] schestowitz-TR and who replaced mantris with jira
[17:13] schestowitz-TR and... put the code in Microsoft ShitHub (Inner Source)
[17:14] Techrights-sec2 and artificial constraints
[17:14] Techrights-sec2 yes arbitrary billing problems that would not have occured if they had
[17:14] Techrights-sec2 properly self-hosted instead
[17:14] Techrights-sec2 yes that's another thing which has bothered me increasingly about these
[17:14] Techrights-sec2 clown services, they are only accessible for the most part through proprietary
[17:14] Techrights-sec2 interfaces and no longer commodity technologies
[17:14] Techrights-sec2 decommoditization through proprietary interfaces
[17:14] Techrights-sec2 and, intentionally, the knowledge is not transferable between clown services
[17:17] schestowitz-TR "yo, get certified dudes"
[17:17] schestowitz-TR and use the "skills" within 1 year, otherwise it's expired
[17:17] schestowitz-TR the GUIs will chance all the time, so you need to join the diploma (TREAD)mill
[17:17] schestowitz-TR that's today's "IT"
[17:17] schestowitz-TR sold by resellers to other resellers and idiots like campinos
[17:17] schestowitz-TR today's browsers are like that too
[17:17] schestowitz-TR cert expired 1 minutesa ago!! RISK!!! "GET ME OUT!!!"
[17:17] schestowitz-TR some web host, iirc, did something similar to me
[17:17] schestowitz-TR instead of informing me of something
[17:17] schestowitz-TR takee the site/service down first
[17:17] schestowitz-TR this is typical
[17:17] schestowitz-TR wordpress.com the same
[17:17] schestowitz-TR or twitter
[17:17] schestowitz-TR suspension first
[17:17] schestowitz-TR then appeal
[17:17] schestowitz-TR which they ignore anyway
[17:17] schestowitz-TR I lost track od things that lack prior communication (before action) to lessen downtime, panic, angst
[17:18] schestowitz-TR [downtime] "haha, NOW that we got your attention...!!"
[17:20] schestowitz-TR not only in computing
[17:20] schestowitz-TR power shut-off
[17:20] schestowitz-TR water I think is hard to shut off remotely
[17:20] schestowitz-TR "return to sender" without contacting you
[17:20] schestowitz-TR many things like this I've noticed
[17:20] schestowitz-TR "ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS PHONE ME FIRST!"
[17:28] Techrights-sec2 the better way would been to require / force the clown services to
[17:28] Techrights-sec2 have 1) a KVM-style console and 2) SSH
[17:28] Techrights-sec2 that's it
[17:28] Techrights-sec2 yes the "certifiation" continues to be a fraudulent, expensive scam
[17:28] Techrights-sec2 not just the expired server certs, and argument can be made for that, however
[17:28] Techrights-sec2 the *big* problem is that they all but outright block permanently certificates
[17:28] Techrights-sec2 that are vouched for by anything other than a handful of shyster companies
[17:30] schestowitz-TR hence, we use the term "cartel" sometimes
[17:30] schestowitz-TR mark shuttlecock [sic] sold a share of this cartel
[17:30] schestowitz-TR verisign
[17:30] schestowitz-TR in turn, they exercise a lot of power
[17:30] schestowitz-TR not some company in SA or little island near england (with its physical office in london)
[17:30] schestowitz-TR but ANOTHER SU firm...
[17:30] schestowitz-TR while the CAs or china s and russia (BRICS) are vil and black and dark
[17:30] schestowitz-TR *evil
[17:31] schestowitz-TR for all we know, even the "defence" budget could taker over his share of the cartel
[17:31] schestowitz-TR which amounts to nothing more than some compouter issuing and "signing" a bunch of random bytes
[17:31] schestowitz-TR what a scam
[17:31] Techrights-sec2 ack
[17:33] schestowitz-TR as you told andy lasy year 'round xmas time, wait and watch how the # of domains in the CAs "trusted" shrinks
[17:33] schestowitz-TR over time, just like food giants and media conglemerates
[17:33] schestowitz-TR to the point where "trust" just means "we are the GoodGuys(TM)"
[17:33] schestowitz-TR and no pretence of openess or willingness to trust those that aren'e "good" like "Microsoft Philanthripies(TM)"
[17:33] Techrights-sec2 web certificates are a confidence game
[17:35] schestowitz-TR they also had data breaches and millions of invalidly or improperly issued certs, e.g. in LE and IIRC also godaddy at one point
[17:35] schestowitz-TR so that confidence also relies on them being in control of their own systems
[17:35] schestowitz-TR whether illfuilly or nitot
[17:35] schestowitz-TR In TR articles about LE I gave the examples of Gemalto several times (recall snowdlden's NSA leaks)
[17:35] schestowitz-TR and that "trusted" Swiss company that was in fact secretly owned by the CIA< based on verified press reports
[17:36] Techrights-sec2 yes
[17:36] Techrights-sec2 it is about conformance and extortion of payment not actual
[17:36] Techrights-sec2 authenticity or confidentiality
[17:36] Techrights-sec2 ack
[17:39] schestowitz-TR to me, TOFU is better
[17:39] schestowitz-TR it's decentralised in nature
[17:39] schestowitz-TR you can even announc: in 30 days I will change my random bytes
[17:39] schestowitz-TR if you see an error after dae x/y/z, press OK, proceed
[17:39] schestowitz-TR heck, better yet, generate it in advantage and give fingerprint or public part in advance, as a headsup
[17:39] schestowitz-TR buying a cert is not easy when your site is based in kenya
[17:39] schestowitz-TR and most kenyans use chrome
[17:39] schestowitz-TR LE is subsidised
[17:39] schestowitz-TR it's not free
[17:39] schestowitz-TR sometimes pays for the lights and the power bills
[17:40] schestowitz-TR and they outsource both their operatiions and their web site to microsoft github
[17:40] schestowitz-TR which tells you how serious they are about security
[17:40] Techrights-sec2 I think LE has been partially subverted which is why M$ GitHub is involved at
[17:40] Techrights-sec2 all
[17:42] schestowitz-TR the person who made LE is not the boss of kaniini
[17:42] schestowitz-TR I won't name the company
[17:42] schestowitz-TR but you saw some logs related to that
[17:42] schestowitz-TR anyway, they try to outdo 'secure' boot by decentralising the thing
[17:42] schestowitz-TR to challenge microsoft monopoly on that
[17:42] schestowitz-TR I am against the computer refusing to boot
[17:42] schestowitz-TR they say, OK, we have this... but let's take the control out of Microsoft's hands
[17:42] schestowitz-TR SJVN did a puff piece for them about 2 months ago
[17:42] schestowitz-TR in an LF-bribed publisher
[17:42] schestowitz-TR thenewstack iirc
[17:42] schestowitz-TR /now the boss
[17:42] schestowitz-TR not "not the boss"
[17:42] Techrights-sec2 I think LE has been partially subverted which is why M$ GitHub is involved at
[17:42] Techrights-sec2 all
[17:42] Techrights-sec2 ^subverted and/or partially abandoned as far as its goals go
[17:42] Techrights-sec2 ack
[17:42] Techrights-sec2 ok
[17:45] schestowitz-TR I think TR is one of VERY few sites that routinely speak about this issue
[17:45] schestowitz-TR at the very least to raise awareness and encourage critical thinking in this otherwise
[17:45] schestowitz-TR more technical-than-necessary (they use jargon to hype up the clevernesss or complexiity) "thing"
[17:45] schestowitz-TR if put in simpler terms, people realise what this "browser warning" really is about
[17:45] schestowitz-TR and why it's unjust on many levels
[17:45] schestowitz-TR making it hard to self-host
[17:45] schestowitz-TR also more expensive
[17:45] schestowitz-TR easier to censor
[17:45] schestowitz-TR we've not yet seen the CAs revoking CAs to censor (ish)
[17:45] schestowitz-TR but DNS is already leveraged as such, to this effect...
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 restricted boot is a very bad problem and it combines with the other layers
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 of restriction
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 I'm not sure about that, I suspect that 99.99% go with the presence or absence
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 of the lock icon :(
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 CAs have been abused; IIRC some ISPs in Turkey or some other dictatorship
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 were forcing "customers" to backdoor their browsers' CA stash
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 most ISPs don't even help customers to set up DNSSEC or for that matter
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 even encourage it, assuming they even have it set up and available
[17:47] Techrights-sec2 :/
[17:47] schestowitz-TR the CA revocation treadmill might start with some literally nazi sites
[17:47] schestowitz-TR you can't say "no", can you?
[17:47] schestowitz-TR you can lose your job ;-)
[17:47] schestowitz-TR unless you are unemployed like activelow
[17:47] schestowitz-TR he had 2 new nyms today
[17:49] schestowitz-TR the nymshifting, I think, it due to reciving insults
[17:49] schestowitz-TR being ignored
[17:49] schestowitz-TR and losing legitimacy fast
[17:49] schestowitz-TR like a nazi going into a pub
[17:49] schestowitz-TR sooner or later he realises nobody wants him there
[17:49] schestowitz-TR but in the pub you don't get to wear 10 different masks over time
[17:49] schestowitz-TR we hoped the occasional snub or insult would send the message
[17:50] Techrights-sec2 ack
[17:58] Techrights-sec2 though I suppose it depends on what his goals are with / against the channel
[17:59] schestowitz-TR not a mole, for sure, I know the name
● Jun 30
[18:00] thisideup why are you talking to the bot?
[18:02] schestowitz-TR it's not a bot, michael
[18:02] Techrights-sec2 ack
[18:02] thisideup schestowitz-
[18:02] schestowitz-TR TechRights
[18:03] thisideup tell it to the kids
[18:03] schestowitz-TR the EPO's union and CSC has been eerily quiet this past day
[18:03] schestowitz-TR I'm thinking the next step is morre indutrial action
[18:03] schestowitz-TR I've copied some good new comments into #techbytes
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[18:04] schestowitz-TR I don't trust Kluwer, they already had DB disasters in the past and seevral consecutive days of downtime
[18:04] schestowitz-TR they also publish infrequently
[18:04] schestowitz-TR they only get comments when they write about EPO abuses
[18:04] thisideup theres a new monky island coming up
[18:04] schestowitz-TR maybe that's a hint to them
[18:04] schestowitz-TR re topics that need covering
[18:05] schestowitz-TR yes, I saw
[18:05] schestowitz-TR I loved the games from Sierra
[18:05] schestowitz-TR was it Sierra?
[18:05] schestowitz-TR Lucas?
[18:05] thisideup its a great game for fencing arguments
[18:06] schestowitz-TR this is why we back up "important" (as per topic) comments
[18:06] schestowitz-TR they probably will go into a black hole within 5-10 years otherwise
[18:06] schestowitz-TR just like LinuxToday and Groklaw comments
[18:06] schestowitz-TR resigns, dhutdowns, faiiled D-R...
[18:06] schestowitz-TR *redesign
[18:06] Techrights-sec2 ack
[18:08] thisideup Monkey Island 2 Special Edition: LeChuck's Revenge
[18:08] schestowitz-TR had we had RELIABLE press in Europe, those comments would have little value
[18:08] schestowitz-TR you'd just need the URL of the articles
[18:08] schestowitz-TR or the wayback machine for these
[18:08] schestowitz-TR but there is ZERO press coverage
[18:08] schestowitz-TR the big story was relagated to "blog comments"
[18:08] schestowitz-TR those whichh they allow
[18:08] schestowitz-TR they cull many
[18:08] schestowitz-TR seems EPO now threatsns Kluwer
[18:08] schestowitz-TR like it had done IP Kat and me
[18:08] schestowitz-TR based on an editorial text that they added last week
[18:08] schestowitz-TR maybe threats of defamation lawsuit
[18:09] Techrights-sec2 ack
[18:09] Techrights-sec2 yes there is a lot of loss
[18:09] schestowitz-TR thisideup: I posted a link to that some days ago
[18:09] schestowitz-TR it brought back memories
[18:09] schestowitz-TR dosbox can still run the original
[18:09] schestowitz-TR or scummvm
[18:09] Techrights-sec2 I hope they don't knuckle under
[18:09] Techrights-sec2 and are able to deal with what sounds like a SLAPP
[18:10] schestowitz-TR yes, I did a video about my impression of it
[18:10] schestowitz-TR what typically happens is,
[18:10] schestowitz-TR they get cold freet
[18:10] schestowitz-TR *feet
[18:10] schestowitz-TR and then move to another topic
[18:10] schestowitz-TR which is what EPO Mafia(TM) wants
[18:11] Techrights-sec2 ack
[18:13] schestowitz-TR the staff reps must be terribly exhausted
[18:13] schestowitz-TR in other news, last night we made progress at work
[18:13] schestowitz-TR now they're willing to consider part-timers
[18:13] schestowitz-TR and run a survey to check interests and preferences
[18:13] schestowitz-TR deadline july 8
[18:13] schestowitz-TR i need to think carefully what to choose
[18:13] schestowitz-TR lkike which times, days etc.
[18:13] Techrights-sec2 ack
[18:13] schestowitz-TR *like
[18:15] Techrights-sec2 8 july is coming up very soon
[18:15] Techrights-sec2 tomorrow is already the 1st
[18:15] Techrights-sec2 so it's basically a week from now
[18:17] schestowitz-TR yes, it is on my todo list for tonight
[18:17] schestowitz-TR among many other things
[18:17] schestowitz-TR after I forgoit something earlier today I became super-meticulous in note-taking
[18:17] schestowitz-TR not sure if you saw the video about the desk and exercise
[18:17] schestowitz-TR since the above incident I forgot nothing, even when the list gre rather long
[18:17] schestowitz-TR my rss feeds are clean except for the opml bits, which i can catch up with in the
[18:17] schestowitz-TR weekend anyway
[18:17] schestowitz-TR you already "dilute" them when you go through these, I just swoop through the
[18:17] schestowitz-TR remainder/remains/leftovers
[18:17] Techrights-sec2 excellent
[18:18] schestowitz-TR I got some work tasks for tonight and then the "end of month" tasks, which take about 30 mins to complete
[18:18] schestowitz-TR mostly the gemini stuff
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[18:19] Techrights-sec2 ack
[18:26] schestowitz-TR next week a client (university) is added
[18:26] schestowitz-TR and it's a quiet one
[18:26] schestowitz-TR universities outsource
[18:26] schestowitz-TR as they lack sufficient in-house folks
[18:26] schestowitz-TR "Ansible in AWS"
[18:39] schestowitz-TR COVID-19 in England: Cases Up 35.1% This Past Week (Deaths Up 30.1%, Hospitalisations Up 33.4%) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/england-covid-cases/
[18:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive COVID-19 in England: Cases Up 35.1% This Past Week (Deaths Up 30.1%, Hospitalisations Up 33.4%)
[18:40] Techrights-sec2 ack
[18:40] Techrights-sec2 eww, AWS
[18:41] schestowitz-TR covid-19 in uk, like epo issue, is me trying to fill up a vacuum
[18:41] schestowitz-TR because it's still a big issue which the masses are told to ignore
[18:41] schestowitz-TR yes, like EPO abuses
[18:41] schestowitz-TR when everyone closelyt involved KNOWS it is a catastrophe
[18:42] schestowitz covid-19 + mortality figures are STILL available, but not as frequently
[18:50] Techrights-sec2 ack
● Jun 30
[19:08] schestowitz-TR OK, I am about to send my form
[19:08] schestowitz-TR the way it is laid out
[19:08] schestowitz-TR rianne and I ask for 16 hours, 8 break, 16 on again, then 5 days off
[19:08] schestowitz-TR if we get that approved
[19:08] Techrights-sec2 interesting choice of schedule
[19:08] Techrights-sec2 ack
[19:08] schestowitz-TR it makes some things simpler and it's weekend, hence quiet
[19:08] schestowitz-TR there are pros and cons
[19:08] schestowitz-TR long breaks and less hassle associated with preparing
[19:08] schestowitz-TR handovers etc.
[19:09] schestowitz-TR more swift when we take over for 16-hour slots
[19:09] schestowitz-TR ok, finalised for now
[19:09] schestowitz-TR whether we get that is another question
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[19:22] schestowitz "
[19:22] schestowitz okay all the user wants is an easy editable file based wiki.
[19:22] schestowitz Why exactly should this CSS compiler be needed?
[19:22] schestowitz the bloatware dokuwiki currently spans no less than:
[19:22] schestowitz wget https://download.dokuwiki.org/out/dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz
[19:22] schestowitz tar fxvz dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz
[19:22] schestowitz find ./dokuwiki |wc -l
[19:22] schestowitz 5579 files
[19:22] schestowitz "
[19:23] schestowitz "
[19:23] schestowitz (much less than some php frameworks but still a lot of files with a lot of stuff that could go wrong)
[19:23] schestowitz once again violating UNIX K.I.S.S and leading to disasters
[19:23] schestowitz PS: while a software as complex as DokuWiki has become DEFINATELY contains errors (like a very very faulty SPAM detection mechanism)
[19:23] schestowitz Tthe hel forum https://forum.dokuwiki.org/ is engaging in utter useless overblocking.
[19:23] schestowitz As soon as the user posts a single example link (even if that link does not even work)
[19:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-forum.dokuwiki.org | DokuWiki User Forum
[19:23] schestowitz It is reported as spam and the user is blocked forever. Be Brave New Web World.
[19:23] schestowitz "
[19:26] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is down even further, as usual https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/06/30/june-2022-web-server-survey.html
[19:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | June 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
[19:33] Techrights-sec2 ack
[19:35] schestowitz-TR they had come to accept defeat there (like a hydra without mana) but now the strategy is infitrating the winners
[19:35] schestowitz-TR or cooping Linux (e.g. "Azure", even WSL as a server... yes, I saw some people trying that!!)
[19:36] Techrights-sec2 As mentioned Azure is probably propped up in the budget by ongoing cannibalism
[19:36] Techrights-sec2 of other departments.
[19:37] schestowitz-TR and buyout
[19:37] schestowitz-TR e.g. buy some embedded OS
[19:37] schestowitz-TR slap the "azure" label on it
[19:37] schestowitz-TR anyting to bolster these illusion of "growth"
[19:40] psydruid all overly complex solutions will die and be replaced
[19:40] schestowitz-TR like some wiki software
[19:40] schestowitz-TR almost 6000 files
[19:40] schestowitz-TR unbelievable
[19:40] schestowitz-TR all you want is a wiki for maybe 10 pages
[19:41] schestowitz-TR and you end up with this monster
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[20:06] Techrights-sec2 M$ has long given the illusion of growth through purchasing. In general they
[20:06] Techrights-sec2 aim to buy the weakest, crappiest competitor out of the market. That, for
[20:06] Techrights-sec2 example, is how the acquired FrontPage
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