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● Jan 19
[00:55] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC has pinned down a number of affected MSFT divisions
[00:55] DaemonFC I was happy to see Microsoft Edge on there.
[00:55] DaemonFC They're still gutting it and this is the second batch of firings of CHROMIUM EDGE.
[00:55] DaemonFC They already fired about 90% of their Web browser division when they got rid of IE and EdgeHTML as "supported browsers".
[00:56] DaemonFC It's important to mention that Chromium Edge was already a skeleton crew compared to IE or EdgeHTML Edge.
[00:56] DaemonFC And now they're laying into these people pretty hard.
[00:56] schestowitz-TR must have been a very small team
[00:56] schestowitz-TR maybe 100
[00:56] schestowitz-TR out of 11,000?
[00:57] DaemonFC They're not making enough money on Edge to justify employing people except to keep it working.
[00:57] schestowitz-TR so I want to see where the 1000s are
[00:57] DaemonFC You figure they'll cut the "Linux" version soon?
[00:57] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: yesterday we tried to find ingo
[00:57] DaemonFC How many people could possibly be using that?
[00:57] schestowitz-TR info
[00:57] schestowitz-TR in this channel
[00:57] schestowitz-TR about which parts of MSFT were affected
[00:57] schestowitz-TR Edge is ALMOST the OS part
[00:57] schestowitz-TR it's "cross platform"
[00:57] schestowitz-TR not because"microsoft loves l;inux
[00:58] schestowitz-TR but because it is chromium
[00:58] schestowitz-TR either way, azure is impacted
[00:58] schestowitz-TR but we need to know more
[00:58] schestowitz-TR it hurts microsoft A LOT when the media says Azure is a fialure
[00:58] schestowitz-TR the shareholders walk away
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[01:51] psydruid It's important to keep emphasising the failure of Azure
[01:51] schestowitz-TR yeah
[01:51] schestowitz-TR part of the attack on linux
[01:51] psydruid as it will cut off their oxygen supply
[01:52] schestowitz-TR we are clown company -\> WE ARE HEY HI company
[01:52] schestowitz-TR they keep shifting
[01:52] schestowitz-TR as the gaming takeover seems blocked
[01:52] schestowitz-TR US and EU
[01:52] schestowitz-TR maybe UK also
[01:52] psydruid they'll have nowhere to go and will essentially have to cannibalise their products and eventually their organisation
[01:53] schestowitz-TR imagine after all those layoffs they say they spent a fortune buying a gaming company
[01:53] psydruid I think in the end the takeover will be blocked
[01:53] schestowitz-TR that might not turn up any profit
[01:53] schestowitz-TR psydruid: precisely
[01:53] psydruid this is going to be an Nvidia/ARM story
[01:54] psydruid although that one made more sense
[01:55] psydruid I think the combined company would have become the top dog within a few years replacing Intel and AMD
[01:55] psydruid the gaming takeover is just for cooking the books
[01:59] schestowitz-TR makes sense
[01:59] schestowitz-TR biab, have deadline (bulletin cutoff)
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● Jan 19
[04:13] schestowitz Re: Fwd: You called it
[04:13] schestowitz > Yes, it was even on the local m$ fanboi radio here. I'm wondering what
[04:13] schestowitz > the 1000s of frauds here who have bluffed their way through their
[04:13] schestowitz > careers behind m$ products will do. On one level I do not care, on
[04:13] schestowitz > another level they will cause trouble and have no other skills than
[04:13] schestowitz > causing trouble...
[04:19] psydruid they got their paycheck, so it did pay off for them while it lasted
[04:20] psydruid but they should have invested time into learning the "competitor's" products to last in the field
[04:24] schestowitz > I got the issue, and, although Ralph's associate xxxxxxxxxxxxxx- he's
[04:24] schestowitz > the Corporate Crime Reporter - said back in November that my story was
[04:24] schestowitz > "fascinating" and he wanted to write about it for the January issue, he
[04:24] schestowitz > didn't. Several corporate crime bills were introduced in Congress, and
[04:24] schestowitz > he wrote about them. Of course, they're more important.
[04:24] schestowitz >
[04:24] schestowitz > I sent him an e-mail to maybe get some feedback as to whether he would
[04:24] schestowitz > write about it in the future, and I've not yet gotten a reply.
[04:24] schestowitz >
[04:24] schestowitz > Just yesterday, his website wrote about "corporate capture of the legal
[04:24] schestowitz > system." But, if Microsoft/IBM capture the patent office - which is a
[04:24] schestowitz > legal system - it doesn't matter.
[04:24] schestowitz >
[04:24] schestowitz > The simple fact is that nobody cares about inventors and patents - too
[04:24] schestowitz > complicated and obscure - so they won't write about them. Even if the
[04:24] schestowitz > story relates to a pet issue of Ralph Nader.
[04:24] schestowitz >
[04:24] schestowitz > The Patent Office can be as incompetent and corrupt and malicious as
[04:25] schestowitz > they want, and rip-off inventors with impunity, and nobody will do
[04:25] schestowitz > anything about it.
[04:25] schestowitz >
[04:25] schestowitz > https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/
[04:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.corporatecrimereporter.com | Corporate Crime Reporter
[04:25] schestowitz >
[04:25] schestowitz I think you're right.
[04:25] schestowitz Having said that, Nader rarely writes about patents.
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[10:37] schestowitz-TR good morning!
[10:37] schestowitz-TR did I miss anything in the buffer?
[10:37] techrigthssec gm
[10:37] techrigthssec probably not
● Jan 19
[11:00] techrigthssec The tens of thousands of microsofters unleashed on the market will be posing
[11:00] techrigthssec as skilled IT staff and naive and/or wishful thinkers will go along with
[11:00] techrigthssec that no matter how unfounded that posture is
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[11:02] schestowitz-TR 30,000 laid off 'softers' (see latest post.; more expected to go or proactively go) is a little
[11:02] schestowitz-TR in an ocean of unemployed techs and millions of them who compete for a job
[11:02] schestowitz-TR better this than them staying inside the company
[11:02] schestowitz-TR it was always a concern we had and expressed in irc
[11:02] schestowitz-TR better this than the other
[11:02] schestowitz-TR (still digesting today's good news; won't be "productive" today)
[11:23] schestowitz-TR the coconut cake is delicious and we have 4 more on the way
[11:23] schestowitz-TR we got 5 bags, 1kg each, for 20 pence each
[11:23] schestowitz-TR condensed milk, shredded coco, and butter as main ingredient
[11:23] schestowitz-TR rianne checked in "yewtu.ve"
[11:23] schestowitz-TR tomorrow we'll buy a lot of stuff, also gifts to the lawyer and paralegal
[11:26] schestowitz-TR rianne has gemini running in emacs now (rpi400)
[11:26] schestowitz-TR I think it is sweetened (wayyyyyy toooo sweet) condensed milk
[11:26] schestowitz-TR i will share with her recipes later
[11:26] schestowitz-TR she has collections of them
[11:26] schestowitz-TR we also have recipe books ;-)
[11:26] schestowitz-TR with more spare time = more cooking
[11:39] schestowitz-TR thanks, i will be slow to respond today and not "productive"
[11:39] schestowitz-TR also checking covid rules for flights (ceremony)
[11:39] schestowitz-TR gonna try to chase links+rss feeds as matter of priority
[11:39] schestowitz-TR still very happy to see the situation at MSFT
[11:39] psydruid I see whole conversations about workers' rights after these Microsoft layoffs on Tweakers, whereas I've never seen anything similar for other companies
[11:39] psydruid and some people hoping the fired employees will find work again
[11:40] psydruid I don't understand why everyone is so Microsoft-minded over here
[11:41] psydruid these people need to be retrained and un-brainwashed before they can even hope to enter the job market again
[11:44] techrigthssec M$ is on the edge and could pass a tipping point; remember that historically
[11:44] techrigthssec most of its money has come from monopoly rents in two markets and have lost
[11:44] techrigthssec money everywhere else. There was also that massive loss registered in 1999 or so
[11:45] schestowitz-TR psydruid: could be astroturfing
[11:45] schestowitz-TR Microsoft does lots of it in forums
[11:45] schestowitz-TR and sometimes gets caught
[11:45] schestowitz-TR sometimes the "partners" do this
[11:45] psydruid hundreds of comments of astroturfing
[11:46] psydruid it looks like a way to distract from the fact that it's about Microsoft
[11:46] techrigthssec The "former" microsofters will remain unsuitable for IT for the remainder of
[11:46] techrigthssec their lives and the retraining should focus on work outside of IT where ther
[11:46] techrigthssec is a lower risk of recidivism
[11:46] psydruid "let's generalise and make this about IT workers' rights in general"
[11:47] psydruid I'm wondering if we are indeed at the tipping point
[11:48] psydruid on my resume I have listed minimum knowledge and skills for Microsoft technologies
[11:48] psydruid and yet someone on LinkedIn sent me a message about exactly those
[11:49] psydruid when they could reach out to anyone else who actually has those skills
[11:51] psydruid I only learn Microsoft technologies for legacy purposes in order to migrate systems to GNU/Linux and the web
[11:55] techrigthssec The recidivism is not the only problem. They just have way too manhy fundamental mistakes in their training to h
[11:55] techrigthssec for it to be feasible to retrain them in IT --
[11:55] techrigthssec even if they have the prereqisite mindset. The employment process at m$
[11:55] techrigthssec continuously weeds out people with those prerequistes.
[11:57] psydruid I'm just glad I realised it early and stopped using anything Microsoft in the early 2000s
[11:58] techrigthssec m$ always tries to make things bigger than they are; Windows problems are
[11:58] techrigthssec spun as computer problems; Abuse of their shit bag "employees" is spun as
[11:58] techrigthssec a general IT workers rights problem, even though m$ has nothing to do with
[11:58] techrigthssec actual IT
[11:58] psydruid and I started using PCs in the era where GNU/Linux was becoming viable
[11:59] psydruid yeah, that's what it is
[11:59] psydruid it makes sense now
[11:59] psydruid no wonder the entire topic gets derailed
● Jan 19
[12:00] schestowitz-TR going to check some rumour mills in a sec
[12:00] schestowitz-TR to give further insight
[12:07] schestowitz-TR apologies upfront again for slowness, it's chaotic here in terms of train of thought (for good reasons)
[12:07] schestowitz-TR but not much will get done today
[12:07] schestowitz-TR looking for "gossip" re layoffs
[12:07] schestowitz-TR we can get more "scoops"
[12:07] schestowitz-TR need to know more about which divisions, esp. 'azure'
[12:07] schestowitz-TR i don't search that often enough
[12:07] schestowitz-TR but to hurt the company you know more or less what needs discovering
[12:08] techrigthssec my advice...
[12:09] schestowitz-TR psydruid: don't waste time there tbh
[12:09] schestowitz-TR you would be better off spending time in a place not infested with "damage control" goons
[12:09] schestowitz-TR don't dance in their own "platform"
[12:09] schestowitz-TR find your own
[12:09] schestowitz-TR make some noise there
[12:10] psydruid I am not responding, I just read and noticed the tendency
[12:10] schestowitz-TR they can just demoralise and downvote people to oblivion
[12:10] schestowitz-TR making them feel like they said something "wrong"
[12:10] schestowitz-TR it's like going to gab to "fight" nazis
[12:10] psydruid and it seems way off compared to what it should be
[12:10] schestowitz-TR you are outnumbered and outgunned
[12:10] schestowitz-TR aggi cannot even stay in irc long
[12:10] schestowitz-TR because he is "loner"
[12:10] psydruid so I am wondering if it is downplayed in anglophone media too
[12:10] schestowitz-TR and nobody agrees with him
[12:10] schestowitz-TR except crows
[12:11] schestowitz-TR psydruid: people in Microsoft noticed the same
[12:11] schestowitz-TR I quoted one example
[12:11] schestowitz-TR they criticise the media
[12:11] schestowitz-TR some in the forums criticise that
[12:11] schestowitz-TR but someone replies
[12:11] schestowitz-TR it's "paid-for"
[12:11] schestowitz-TR IBM and Microsoft still have a lot of control over media, also online
[12:12] schestowitz-TR and they 'bury' bad news
[12:12] schestowitz-TR same playbook
[12:26] techrigthssec Made progress in processing the tm-gallery archive but finding some deep
[12:26] techrigthssec pages which are not yet harvested. Using the RAM disk for the work saves
[12:26] techrigthssec waiting by about an order of magnitude
[12:28] techrigthssec Now trying to ennumerate the missing URLs
[12:30] schestowitz-TR my dad used some of those distros and versions
[12:30] schestowitz-TR with firefox
[12:31] schestowitz-TR back when tuxmachines was in the firefox bookmark thingie in the toolbar
[12:31] schestowitz-TR in PCLinuxOS
[12:31] schestowitz-TR maybe one day these reference pages will help explain how the platform evolved
[12:31] schestowitz-TR I do not myself do disro reviews as I learned frome xperience it take aLOT
[12:31] schestowitz-TR of work to do PROPERLY
[12:31] schestowitz-TR like using it for weeks, installing a ton of things
[12:31] schestowitz-TR just for one article
[12:31] schestowitz-TR not even counting screenmshots, text, proofreading
[12:31] schestowitz-TR many reviews were done in the past
[12:31] schestowitz-TR when the www brought more traffic
[12:31] schestowitz-TR because "sound bites" of social control media
[12:34] techrigthssec Yes, a proper review takes a lot of time and work. It'd probably take a whole
[12:34] techrigthssec weel for each one, or at least two or three days even if done quickly.
[12:35] schestowitz-TR not enough
[12:35] schestowitz-TR some "pretend" to do review
[12:35] schestowitz-TR checking wallpapers, clicking things
[12:35] schestowitz-TR that's NOT a review
[12:35] schestowitz-TR you need to install many things with the package manager
[12:36] schestowitz-TR I've stopped using Fedora after 14, Moondhine
[12:36] schestowitz-TR some crucial packages were not properly handled
[12:36] schestowitz-TR so I wasted time in the lab
[12:36] schestowitz-TR stuff like gnuplot
[12:36] schestowitz-TR for octave
[12:36] techrigthssec That's not a proper review and does not fool people, or at least it does not
[12:36] techrigthssec fool them for long.
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[13:44] techrigthssec ok, I think the gallery archive has all links working and might have all files
[13:44] techrigthssec present. The next step will be to remove unused files and hardlinks from the
[13:44] techrigthssec directory hierarchy
● Jan 19
[15:03] schestowitz-TR Welcome to Open Source Watch https://opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com/p/welcome-to-open-source-watch has SJVN quit Microsoft ZDnet yet?
[15:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com | Welcome to Open Source Watch | Open Source Watch
[15:06] techrigthssec We'll see what kind of short leash he will be on. What is the source of
[15:06] techrigthssec funding for that site?
[15:09] schestowitz-TR i wodnered the same
[15:09] schestowitz-TR maybe left zdnet
[15:09] schestowitz-TR maybe twitter also
[15:09] schestowitz-TR he joined pluspora after gulag+ collapsed
[15:09] schestowitz-TR then pluspora collapsed too
[15:09] schestowitz-TR his site lacks rss feeds
[15:09] schestowitz-TR I even scanned source for atom, xml, rss, did some url guessing
[15:09] schestowitz-TR nothing!
[15:09] schestowitz-TR unless you have more creative ways to find feeds
[15:09] schestowitz-TR 20 years ago I wrote bash programs to track changes in sites that lacked feeds
[15:09] schestowitz-TR because I loved RSS
[15:09] schestowitz-TR even edge.org was in my list
[15:09] schestowitz-TR before it went to ****
[15:09] schestowitz-TR so far all 5 stories in this new site are mostly ok
[15:09] schestowitz-TR except rust shilling
[15:09] techrigthssec "The newsletter platform built for growth"
[15:09] techrigthssec https://www.beehiiv.com/
[15:09] techrigthssec It's not his own site unless he is really branching out from journalism and\
[15:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-beehiiv The newsletter platform built for growth
[15:09] techrigthssec writing.
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[23:32] techrigthssec gallery:
[23:32] techrigthssec $ find . -type f -print | wc -l
[23:32] techrigthssec 107990
[23:32] techrigthssec $ du -sh .
[23:32] techrigthssec 2.2G .
[23:32] techrigthssec Many of those files are hard links, it is the screen shots which take
[23:32] techrigthssec up the space afaik
[23:32] techrigthssec There are a lot of them, documenting the appearance of various distro
[23:32] techrigthssec components (desktop of course)
[23:33] schestowitz-TR well done, you have killed a lot of technical debt
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