●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Monday, November 16, 2020 ●● ● Nov 16 [01:02] schestowitz https://twitter.com/bap47/status/1327971026064576515 [01:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@bap47: Really encouraging to read this. #environment https://t.co/sMEnJWb2fM [01:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #TruthOut To Protect the Great Lakes, #Michigan Governor Moves to Shut Down Pipeline https://t.co/jdtg65Fcgh [01:02] schestowitz https://twitter.com/0xFreak71/status/1327961780728029184 [01:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@0xFreak71: @schestowitz The question is: why to use ftp when I can use easily sftp ? [01:04] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1DgEITk81mrKo60UC [01:04] schestowitz "maybe if you are not subscribed to a mailing list, your message need to be moderated, as it is in almost every mailing list. Why thinking to censorship? If it was censorship the message would never have reached the mailing list." [01:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-social.linux.pizza | alciregi :fedora:: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site maybe if you are not su" - Linux.Pizza [01:05] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1EIMcJa3hgNQijkA4 [01:05] schestowitz " [01:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://activism.openworlds.info/@dsfgs/105215583534657141 ) [01:05] schestowitz Did you see the #IBM #competition going around. Don't quote us but quietly, they want people to design a #cloudservices #gui on freelance website to win $20,000. Two runners up would get $2000 or thereabouts. [01:05] schestowitz We threw up in our mouth when we saw it. [01:05] schestowitz " [01:09] schestowitz >> There's very little there at the moment and the host will mostly be an [01:09] schestowitz >> access point for VMs or containers. Not sure yet which one... if we're [01:09] schestowitz >> in a rush, we'll just move over the VMs as they are... but would be nice [01:09] schestowitz >> to rebuild properly. [01:09] schestowitz >> [01:09] schestowitz >> [01:09] schestowitz >> [01:09] schestowitz > Ok. I've fumbled around a bit and am in. Looking around a bit, the [01:09] schestowitz > very idea behind containers seems at first glance to appear clumsy and [01:09] schestowitz > dangerous. FreeBSD jails would be a safer way to compartmentalize but [01:09] schestowitz > it would mean switching OS. For the database container, that would not [01:09] schestowitz > be a big deal though. For other parts it would be more work. [01:09] schestowitz containers leave around lots of duplicate files [01:44] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:44] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [01:54] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [01:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 16 [03:18] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:18] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [03:20] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [03:21] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 16 [04:09] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:09] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell [04:41] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:41] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [04:41] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 16 [07:57] schestowitz > [07:57] schestowitz > Humanity is saved, at last! [07:57] schestowitz > [07:57] schestowitz > [07:57] schestowitz > mount it on a drone, and maybe you can make people "hear voices" [07:58] schestowitz >> I don't know what you are trying to say, but it sounds incoherent. [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > translation: I am ignoring what you said, and asking you to present a [07:58] schestowitz > version that drops the key points of your argument, at which point I [07:58] schestowitz > will understand. [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz >> #rustlang is opensource and free, and have nothing to do with [07:58] schestowitz > Microsoft, (and rust is cleaning up much of the mess left behind by C++.) [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > translation: Although I supposedly didn't understand your point, I am [07:58] schestowitz > directly contradicting both facts and your point (purely by coincidence) [07:58] schestowitz > to reinforce the fact that your point is wrong. [07:58] schestowitz > mjg59 This is the fundamental problem of a huge amount of free software [07:58] schestowitz > advocacy [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > mjg59 It's from a position of not understanding what people actually want [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > mjg59 We don't win by telling people that they're wrong to want what [07:58] schestowitz > they have [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > mjg59 We win by providing something that's more appealing [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > He just described Open Source, which is the idea that you don't tell [07:58] schestowitz > people to strive for freedom (which isn't always more appealing, because [07:58] schestowitz > there is work involved) but you "compete" with things like Windows by [07:58] schestowitz > being more "attractive"-- [07:58] schestowitz > [07:58] schestowitz > And then after you've (COLLECTIVELY) sold out to corporations and taken [07:58] schestowitz > bribes, you blame the people who are more honest for their inferior [07:59] schestowitz > advocacy. THAT'S what's "wrong" with a huge amount of free software [07:59] schestowitz > advocacy-- it talks about freedom, not shiny widgets. You just [07:59] schestowitz > summarised the Open Source swindle. But it's NOT "advocacy" at all. It's [07:59] schestowitz > marketing-- and bullshit. [07:59] schestowitz >> Look when you start comparing FUCKING SOFTWARE to PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO [07:59] schestowitz > ENGAGE IN THEIR BASIC CIVIL LIBERTIES you are not making a strong argument [07:59] schestowitz > [07:59] schestowitz > Right to privacy [07:59] schestowitz > [07:59] schestowitz > Right to read [07:59] schestowitz > [07:59] schestowitz > Right to repair [07:59] schestowitz > [07:59] schestowitz > Right to control (and use) your own property [07:59] schestowitz > [07:59] schestowitz > Was he taken to an Open Source re-education centre and fed old lines [07:59] schestowitz > from 2002, or what? [07:59] schestowitz > [07:59] schestowitz > It's sad to see how he's just trolling at this point. No, really, he's [07:59] schestowitz > just being a troll. ● Nov 16 [08:08] schestowitz > On Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:59 PM, Timothy wrote: [08:08] schestowitz > [08:08] schestowitz >> Hi All, [08:08] schestowitz >> [08:08] schestowitz >> I'm looking to use the second-gen Matrix reference server -- [08:08] schestowitz >> Dendrite [08:08] schestowitz >> (https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite, written in Go). [08:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - matrix-org/dendrite: Dendrite is a second-generation Matrix homeserver written in Go! [08:08] schestowitz >> I was planning on packaging it ... before I discovered it has ~400 [08:08] schestowitz >> dependences which I'd need to package most of [08:08] schestowitz >> (list here: http://ix.io/2E2l). [08:08] schestowitz >> [08:08] schestowitz >> If anyone has advice on how to proceed with this (I'd rather not [08:09] schestowitz >> spend a [08:09] schestowitz >> weekend packaging dependences) that would be greatly appreciated. [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> Thanks, [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> Timothy. [08:09] schestowitz [08:09] schestowitz > Here is a (sad)laugh for you. I don't know what a Dendrite server is, but this clearly shows the failing state of Free Software: [08:09] schestowitz > On Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:07 PM, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: [08:09] schestowitz > [08:09] schestowitz >> Ruben, [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> nylxs [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >>> On 11/15/20 2:37 AM, Arun Isaac wrote: [08:09] schestowitz >>> [08:09] schestowitz >>>> it should probably go in the cookbook. Or even [08:09] schestowitz >>>> better, our Icecat should be packaged to use a Firefox user >> agent by [08:09] schestowitz >>>> default. [08:09] schestowitz >>> [08:09] schestowitz >>> which is illegal [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> Welcome back! Please don't use our lists to spread misinformation. Especially such that might drive people away from free(er) browsers, even though that's not your intention. [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> If you believe that adopting Firefox's User Agent string constitutes a trademark violation, consider that of their most notorious competitor: [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 [08:09] schestowitz >> (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/84.0.4147.105 Safari/537.36 [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> At least 5 different trademarks with Mozilla's at the very front! And... totally fine. [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> (I mean, technically it's a revolting abomination that can't meet its demise[0] soon enough, but it's legally quite uncontroversial. :-) [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> Kind regards, [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> T G-R [08:09] schestowitz >> [08:09] schestowitz >> [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent#Deprecation_of_User-Agent_header [08:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | User agent - Wikipedia [08:09] schestowitz > [08:10] schestowitz > An interesting series of emails here, where they talk about the useragent string in icecat and how websites are filtering it. ● Nov 16 [09:21] schestowitz " How much will YOU lose with Mr Campinos' new Salary Adjustment Method? " [09:21] schestowitz "On 6 May, Mr Campinos will consult the staff representation on his new Salary Adjustment Method in an e-meeting of the General Consultative Committee (GCC). This is the last step before submission to the Council bodies (Budget and Finance Committee on 27 May and Administrative Council on 30 June). For this occasion, we have updated the SUEPO Salary Simulator to estimate your personal financial loss and the Local Staff Committee [09:21] schestowitz Munich produced a first video looking back at the last months and explaining the impact of the new method on our future salaries and pensions. A second video focuses on the impact of this new method if it had already been implemented in the past 6 years." [09:25] schestowitz
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    Noscript cures font vulnerabilities
    [09:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/font-vulnerabilities-noscript.html">Noscript ) [09:25] schestowitz
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    In the past month, I've read about a dozen security bulletins involving remote execution exploits due to font parsing vulnerabilities in a range of operating systems, from desktop to mobile. In all these cases, there was a detailed mention of problems, but very little if any mention of possible solutions, other than vendor updates, that is.

    [09:25] schestowitz

    Which is rather intriguing, because there is a tool that can help you with fonts. It's called Noscript, it's a supreme browser extension available in Firefox and more recently in Chrome, and it allows you to govern the loading of fonts in your webpages. A simple and elegant tool that can save - or at the very least, significantly minimize, headache with fonts. But does it get the spotlight it deserves? Of [09:25] schestowitz course not, drama and fear are far more interesting. Let's see what gives.

    • ● Nov 16 [10:42] schestowitz x https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/artikel/microsoft-aarets-it-arbejdsplads-alle-medarbejdere-har-medansvar-at-udvikle-kulturen-1091613 [10:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-translate.google.com | Google Translate [10:49] schestowitz = [10:49] schestowitz x https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/11/13/joint-statement-by-the-eu-home-affairs-ministers-on-the-recent-terrorist-attacks-in-europe/ [10:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.consilium.europa.eu | Joint statement by the EU home affairs ministers on the recent terrorist attacks in Europe - Consilium [10:49] schestowitz [10:49] schestowitz [10:49] schestowitz [10:49] schestowitz [10:49] schestowitz [10:49] schestowitz [10:49] schestowitz = [10:49] schestowitz x https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=no&u=https://www.cw.no/artikkel/cisco/norge-skal-bidra-til-bedre-digitale-ferdigheter-hos-ghanesere [10:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-translate.google.com | Google Translate ● Nov 16 [21:07] schestowitz " [21:07] schestowitz Sheikh it Sheikh it [21:07] schestowitz @Sheikh_al_Touar [21:07] schestowitz [21:07] schestowitz 35m [21:07] schestowitz Inside the EPO During Corona: The EPO is Silently Shrinking in Vienna and Dictator Antnio Campinos Defends His Bully and Union Buster, Elodie Bergot #Finance #patents #UnionBusting #Vienna #Austria #Europe [21:07] schestowitz Inside the EPO During Corona: The EPO is Silently Shrinking in Vienna and Dictator Antnio Campinos... [21:07] schestowitz The erosion of staff financing and the depletion of staff at the EPO isn't a subject that the European media ever touches; it's almost as if Europe's second-largest institution and the abuses inside... [21:07] schestowitz techrights.org [21:07] schestowitz Sheikh it Sheikh it [21:07] schestowitz @Sheikh_al_Touar [21:07] schestowitz [21:07] schestowitz 38m [21:07] schestowitz EPO Staff Representatives Explain Why the Appeals Committee is Flawed and Transparency is Lacking #law #patents #Europe [21:07] schestowitz EPO Staff Representatives Explain Why the Appeals Committee is Flawed and Transparency is Lacking [21:07] schestowitz The Administrative Tribunal of the International Labour Organisation (ILOAT) is still as toothless as ever, so workers are basically at the mercy of a dictator (Antnio Campinos); EPO staff has been... [21:07] schestowitz techrights.org [21:07] schestowitz Sheikh it Sheikh it [21:07] schestowitz @Sheikh_al_Touar [21:07] schestowitz [21:08] schestowitz 38m [21:08] schestowitz Inside the EPO During Corona: COVID-in-the-Head Antnio Campinos Acts Like a Maniac and Starts Shouting at Meetings (Refusing to Listen to Anybody or Accept Reality) #COVID19 #dictator #InternationalOrganization #patents #Europe [21:08] schestowitz Inside the EPO During Corona: COVID-in-the-Head Antnio Campinos Acts Like a Maniac and Starts... [21:08] schestowitz Jorge Campinos fought what he called dictatorship the very thing that his son Antnio is nowadays doing in Europes second-largest institution (run like a monarchy uncaring about the law and the... [21:08] schestowitz techrights.org [21:08] schestowitz Sheikh it Sheikh it [21:08] schestowitz @Sheikh_al_Touar [21:08] schestowitz [21:08] schestowitz 40m [21:08] schestowitz Inside the EPO During Corona: Letter to Stephen Rowan About EPO Management Exploiting the Pandemic to Demand Harder Work (Instead of Loosening and Lowering Expectations/Workload) #coronapandemic #Exploit #Management #Health #Workload #patents #law #Europe [21:08] schestowitz Inside the EPO During Corona: Letter to Stephen Rowan About EPO Management Exploiting the Pandemic... [21:08] schestowitz The EPO's management is plundering or taking away very basic rights of labourers, capitalising on a crisis that drives many businesses underground to pretend/act as though it's "business as usual"... [21:08] schestowitz techrights.org [21:08] schestowitz Sheikh it Sheikh it [21:08] schestowitz @Sheikh_al_Touar [21:08] schestowitz [21:08] schestowitz 44m [21:08] schestowitz Nobody Was Ever Punished for Bullying Laurent Prunier (Bergot and Others Kept Their EPO Jobs and They Continue to Oppress and Silence Staff Representatives) #bullying #bullyingawareness #UnionBusting #LaurentPrunier #SUEPO #patents #Europe [21:08] schestowitz Nobody Was Ever Punished for Bullying Laurent Prunier (Bergot and Others Kept Their EPO Jobs and... [21:08] schestowitz Europe's most autocratic institution, the EPO, is still muzzling its staff; Mr. Prunier may have reached a settlement after years of unjust suffering, but that settlement does not correct or serve to... [21:08] schestowitz techrights.org [21:08] schestowitz " [21:08] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1328431694622371849 [21:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Inside the EPO During #Corona : The European Patent Office (EPO), in Clear Violation of the Law and the EPC, Forces https://t.co/DKZdezutdz [21:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Inside the EPO During #Corona : The European Patent Office (EPO), in Clear Violation of the Law and the EPC, Forces https://t.co/DKZdezutdz [21:08] schestowitz "Inside the EPO During #Corona : The European Patent Office (EPO), in Clear Violation of the Law and the EPC, Forces Parties to Join Surveillance Sessions (American Spying Companies) to Squash False European #patents #Corona #surveillance #Privacy #law" [21:44] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/05/18/primacy-of-eu-law-over-national-law-german-federal-constitutional-court-judge-comments-on-unified-patent-court-decision/#comments [21:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Primacy of EU Law over National Law German Federal Constitutional Court Judge Comments On Unified Patent Court Decision - Kluwer Patent Blog [21:44] schestowitz " [21:44] schestowitz The question to the Commission makes it clear that in all probability, the participation of the UK has to be clarified before Germany can ratify the UPC. It would in any case make no sense for Germany to ratify the UPC as long as feat of the London section of the Central Division has not been clarified. [21:44] schestowitz If the UK decides not to officially withdraw from an agreement it has already ratified, it might indeed blow up the UPC if what is expressed in the question to the Commission is correct. This is the more so since there is no express withdrawal possibility foreseen in the UPCA. [21:44] schestowitz Blowing up the UPC would be in line with what has been uttered in some UK circles: lets develop a litigation system which can be more attractive than the UPC, and which is independent from any decision of the CJEU. [21:44] schestowitz I am curious to hear what Mr Tilmann, Poors, Hoying and consorts will have to say about this threat. [21:44] schestowitz This is the more so since Mr Hoying has been advocating in IPKat to try to draft a text that would make it possible for European Economic Area countries and perhaps even other countries to join. In doing so he seems to have forgotten what Opinion C 1/09 said. [21:44] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/willem-hoyng-todays-decision-sets-back.html [21:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Willem Hoyng: today's decision sets back UPC at least five years - The IPKat [21:44] schestowitz But this did not withhold Mr Tilmann to claim that C1/09 is no hindrance to maintain post-Brexit UK in the UPC. One should however not forget that he claimed earlier that the UPC is only open to EU member states. Lets put it this way. Mr Tilmann adopted a dynamic interpretation of C 1/09. Any resemblance.. [21:44] schestowitz " [21:44] schestowitz "There are also new problems for the UPC on the EU level. See here: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2020-002729_EN.html" [21:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.europarl.europa.eu | The future of the Unified Patent Court (UPC) [21:44] schestowitz " [21:44] schestowitz If Germany ratifies the UPC now, there will be breach of the AETR jurisprudence. [21:44] schestowitz The European Commission should intervene, as long as the UK is still signatory of the agreement. [21:44] schestowitz " [21:44] schestowitz " [21:44] schestowitz Most of the proponents of the UPC have tried to ignore the danger lying in 166 of the decision of the FGCC. The present blog sheds a much more differentiated view on the matter of constitutionality of the UPC in view of the German Basic Law. It is thus to be welcomed. [21:44] schestowitz All the proponents of the UPC have been touting that the entry into force of the UPC is on the doorstep, and the ratification bill should be presented anew as quickly as possible before the German Parliament. That they ignored the problems brought about by Brexit is just an aside. Some are still in favour of the participation in the UPC of non-EU member states. [21:44] schestowitz Should the ratification bill be presented once more before the parliament, it is to be hoped that its members will be informed of the position of Justice Huber. The same applies to the Federal Minister of Justice who published, most probably following intense lobbying, a press release claiming that the bill will be presented again to the parliament during the present legislature. As if the parliament had nothing more urgent to deal [21:44] schestowitz with at the moment. [21:44] schestowitz The only worrying aspect is the fact that the new president of the GFCC is a staunch supporter of the UPC. He was member of a large firm of lawyers heavily engaged in litigation, and has constantly lobbied in parliament in favour of the UPC. He apparently earned much more through his job as lawyer than from its wages as MoP. Some groups have contested its nomination as chairman of the GFCC for this reason. [21:44] schestowitz Should the question of the constitutionality come back before the GFCC, it is to be feared that it waives through the ratification bill. This could particularly be the case should Justice Mller have come to the end of its appointment to the FGCC. [21:44] schestowitz The GFCC would just have a dynamic interpretation of its own case law. Any resemblance .. [21:44] schestowitz " [21:44] schestowitz " [21:44] schestowitz Most of the proponents of the UPC have tried to ignore the danger lying in 166 of the decision of the FGCC. The present blog sheds a much more differentiated view on the matter of constitutionality of the UPC in view of the German Basic Law. It is thus to be welcomed. [21:45] schestowitz All the proponents of the UPC have been touting that the entry into force of the UPC is on the doorstep, and the ratification bill should be presented anew as quickly as possible before the German Parliament. That they ignored the problems brought about by Brexit is just an aside. Some are still in favour of the participation in the UPC of non-EU member states. [21:45] schestowitz Should the ratification bill be presented once more before the parliament, it is to be hoped that its members will be informed of the position of Justice Huber. The same applies to the Federal Minister of Justice who published, most probably following intense lobbying, a press release claiming that the bill will be presented again to the parliament during the present legislature. As if the parliament had nothing more urgent to deal [21:45] schestowitz with at the moment. [21:45] schestowitz The only worrying aspect is the fact that the new president of the GFCC is a staunch supporter of the UPC. He was member of a large firm of lawyers heavily engaged in litigation, and has constantly lobbied in parliament in favour of the UPC. He apparently earned much more through his job as lawyer than from its wages as MoP. Some groups have contested its nomination as chairman of the GFCC for this reason. [21:45] schestowitz Should the question of the constitutionality come back before the GFCC, it is to be feared that it waives through the ratification bill. This could particularly be the case should Justice Mller have come to the end of its appointment to the FGCC. [21:45] schestowitz The GFCC would just have a dynamic interpretation of its own case law. Any resemblance .. [21:45] schestowitz " [21:45] schestowitz " [21:45] schestowitz Dear Concerned observer, [21:45] schestowitz re point 1: Bearing in mind that, ultimately, its the function of the BVerfG to have the last say on what is (un)constitutional in Germany, do you really think the court would uphold such an amendment as constitutional, thus bowing to the ECJ? Almost certainly not. [21:45] schestowitz Re point 2: You know the answer to your questions. Masks have long fallen and [they] have no chance other than going all in, riding a horse that is obviously as dead as it can be. But dont worry. I would assume that the UPCA will be back on the BVerfGs table very quickly, should the need arise. [21:45] schestowitz " [21:45] schestowitz " [21:45] schestowitz It will be interesting to see how the question regarding the unconditional supremacy of EU (case) law is resolved with regard to Germany. One option might be to amend the Basic Law but that might not help in all cases as it is hard to see how such an amendment could apply retroactively. [21:45] schestowitz However, perhaps of more immediate interest will be whether, despite the clear views expressed by the FCC, any of the UPCs supporters will continue to lobby the German government to pass legislation enabling ratification of the UPC Agreement. The answer to this is likely to depend upon whether those supporters are prepared to actively encourage the German government to pass a law that would almost certainly be unconstitutional. [21:45] schestowitz " gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-161120.txt

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