●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 15, 2020 ●● ● Nov 15 [01:45] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:45] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [01:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [01:52] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 15 [02:11] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:12] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 15 [03:18] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:18] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 15 [04:12] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:12] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell [04:24] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [04:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:25] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [04:25] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 15 [05:18] *oiaohm has quit () [05:23] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell [05:58] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1Aot1Q4fvTySUQjc8 [05:58] schestowitz " [05:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://todon.eu/@jd/105206089671974786 ) [05:58] schestowitz re: RSS [05:58] schestowitz I am looking for a way of automatically collecting my posts here every day and make them a post on a wordpress site. [05:58] schestowitz Do you think I can do this with my RSS feeds from masto? [05:58] schestowitz thanks [05:58] schestowitz JD [05:58] schestowitz " [05:58] schestowitz Maybe with Diaspora. [05:58] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1ArFugG62eG7v2ki0 [05:58] schestowitz "I really hate it when websites provide rss feed but only gives title and 2-3 lines, just to attract you to their website." [05:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-social.linux.pizza | Starfish :parabola: :trisquel:: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site I really hate it when" - Linux.Pizza [05:58] schestowitz Better than nothing ● Nov 15 [06:00] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1AsJYQ0uLycC8kFRg [06:00] schestowitz " [06:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.labrat.space | Pleroma [06:00] schestowitz thankfully my reader can fetch the main part from the original, so that I get spared. [06:00] schestowitz Still, would be better if people would just stuff the content into the feed [06:00] schestowitz " [06:01] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1BfDft57bBtNLAQwi [06:01] schestowitz " [06:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-activism.openworlds.info | Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site > Goes to look for an" - Activism [06:01] schestowitz > Goes to look for any #legacyTwitter bookmarks to check if #twitter really did just block #sansJavascript access. [06:01] schestowitz > Has no twitter bookmarks. [06:01] schestowitz #GoodRiddance, #Birdsite :) [06:01] schestowitz #makeJavascriptOptional #JavaScript #theFediNailInTheCoffin #theFediReserve #moneyPrinterGoBrrd #shockMarket #stockMarket [06:01] schestowitz " [06:04] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1C1YWtrvfvMZgswAS [06:04] schestowitz "Today its alleged extremist web context, next week it can be anything the EU dislikes." [06:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-miniwa.moe | Pleroma [06:04] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1CHTpOVL7WrkfzjH6 [06:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ms.neko.bar | (@replikvlt) | ms.neko.bar [06:04] schestowitz " var B = 9" [06:04] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1CZ5EUAiBbrVU4E8u [06:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-TCP connection reset by peer ( status 0 @ https://mstdn.social/@daelf/105210856772770660 ) [06:04] schestowitz "A Sanders/Warren White House would have been so much *Fun*." [06:05] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1CkFJS0CoeRIU3sWW [06:05] schestowitz "the answer is MineTest, the FOSS Minecraft project that also includes the versatility of Roblox, and contains no micro transactions." [06:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mas.to | RustedKitsune: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site the answer is MineTest," - mas.to [06:07] schestowitz https://twitter.com/AlwaystrumpOrg/status/1327773137400979457 [06:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AlwaystrumpOrg: Not good https://t.co/08B9Eq5m2Q [06:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Arseholish Liar Boris Johnson sets out plan for 'significant normality' by Christmas. https://t.co/tOdWZYkn0Y https://t.co/oU5nCgQYxg [06:07] schestowitz https://twitter.com/PositivelyJoan/status/1327749047185256453 [06:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PositivelyJoan: .@schestowitz Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.: Int'l. Message for Freedom and Hope https://t.co/1e1i2ucpCW via @YouTube [06:08] schestowitz https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1327614512212697088 [06:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz I will tell you when it's really dead. [06:08] schestowitz https://twitter.com/AfraaAli_/status/1327613362956619776 [06:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AfraaAli_: @schestowitz There is no relationship between the two situations Because the UAE always helps Yemen, it does not d https://t.co/0OtgteBz6Q [06:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AfraaAli_: @schestowitz There is no relationship between the two situations Because the UAE always helps Yemen, it does not d https://t.co/0OtgteBz6Q [06:08] schestowitz " [06:08] schestowitz There is no relationship between the two situations [06:08] schestowitz Because the UAE always helps Yemen, it does not delay and responds to the Yemenis' appeal when they need help [06:08] schestowitz Handshake [06:08] schestowitz " [06:08] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Democrats4Trump/status/1327602237535907840 [06:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Democrats4Trump: @schestowitz Talking about propaganda, why are there Chinese characters in your name [06:09] schestowitz https://twitter.com/CaptainKurtis/status/1327566152856465408 [06:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CaptainKurtis: This is really unfortunate. After December 15th, if you want to use @Twitter on a browser you'll be forced to run p https://t.co/72OsQOPOBk [06:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CaptainKurtis: This is really unfortunate. After December 15th, if you want to use @Twitter on a browser you'll be forced to run p https://t.co/72OsQOPOBk [06:09] schestowitz " [06:09] schestowitz This is really unfortunate. After December 15th, if you want to use @Twitter [06:09] schestowitz on a browser you'll be forced to run proprietary javascript. I hope they change their mind. [06:09] schestowitz " [06:09] schestowitz https://twitter.com/at2rty/status/1327539697179045889 [06:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@at2rty: @schestowitz ISRAELI Anti-Semitism CRIMES PRACTICES GETTING OUT OF HAND West Bank: UN and EU slam Israel after https://t.co/M8s32q9YKK [06:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@at2rty: @schestowitz ISRAELI Anti-Semitism CRIMES PRACTICES GETTING OUT OF HAND West Bank: UN and EU slam Israel after https://t.co/M8s32q9YKK [06:09] schestowitz " [06:09] schestowitz ISRAELI Anti-Semitism CRIMES PRACTICES GETTING OUT OF HAND [06:09] schestowitz [06:09] schestowitz [06:09] schestowitz West Bank: UN and EU slam Israel after demolition leaves 73 Palestinians homeless - CNN [06:09] schestowitz " [06:22] schestowitz >> same as old password [06:22] schestowitz > Ok, in. Should I add another account? [06:22] schestowitz Yes, go ahead and do that. [06:22] schestowitz >> try accessing "viera" container [06:22] schestowitz > By what method? I don't want to experiment too much and risk breaking [06:22] schestowitz > anything. That is an old LXC container, I gather? [06:23] schestowitz 1. No, it's new [06:23] schestowitz 2. I sent earlier the instructions [06:23] schestowitz 3. Not much to break, it's just the IRC bot. ● Nov 15 [08:18] schestowitz >>> I presume the TTL in DNS was already ramped down in prepraration for the [08:18] schestowitz >>> IP address changes? [08:18] schestowitz >> We need to test the new setup before even thinking about DNS changes. [08:18] schestowitz >> [08:18] schestowitz >> You already have the IP and login creds for the new server [08:18] schestowitz > I can log in to the host, but not connect to any guest(s): [08:18] schestowitz > [08:18] schestowitz > $ lxc-attach -n viera [08:18] schestowitz >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [08:18] schestowitz > [08:18] schestowitz > A lot of material is missing from the host, including man pages and [08:18] schestowitz > known utilities to join groups. Should I be in 'wheel' too or should we [08:18] schestowitz > do the permissions a bit at a time? [08:18] schestowitz There's very little there at the moment and the host will mostly be an access point for VMs or containers. Not sure yet which one... if we're in a rush, we'll just move over the VMs as they are... but would be nice to rebuild properly. ● Nov 15 [09:08] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [09:08] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [09:09] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [09:27] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [09:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [09:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [09:47] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [09:47] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Nov 15 [10:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 15 [11:12] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:12] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:26] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [11:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [11:32] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [11:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [11:32] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [11:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 15 [13:16] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:16] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Nov 15 [14:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [14:03] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:14] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [14:15] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [14:30] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/10/hague-court-of-appeal-sets-dutch.html?showComment=1604828554018#c9019672154302803654 [14:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Hague Court of Appeal sets Dutch approach to equivalence, reversing District Court in pemetrexed saga - The IPKat [14:30] schestowitz " [14:30] schestowitz Denver, we are quite close in our thinking. Yes, the UK is better than the EPO in the enquiry into the mind of the skilled person, what exactly is "new" information and what is not. This is, I think, a result of the process of fact-finding under English law, through rigorous cross-examination, before the eyes and ears of a judge with decades of experience as an advocate in patent cases. The Gold Standard is there, but the fact- [14:30] schestowitz finding is more sophisticated and more "real world" than at the EPO. I like to think that the EPO can get better, under pressure from the rest of the world to take a more "real world" assessment of what really is "new" information for the skilled addressee. [14:30] schestowitz As to the turf war between SCOTUS and the Federal Circuit, I feel unqualified to make any comment. I defer to those who know better. [14:30] schestowitz The only thing in your post that raised my eyebrows was your "almost unheard of". That's certainly not my perception. I wonder, do you routinely offer opinions on the validity of patents in the UK. [14:30] schestowitz I suspect you practise in the chem/bio field. My practice is in engineering/materials/devices. I remember in the UK the Palmaz stent case and the ECB banknote case, where the EPO did not revoke for added matter but the UK courts did, and I don't see the UK courts as any more lenient than the EPO. The "new information" test is in principle brutally strict, I think. [14:30] schestowitz Not sure what you mean by "new thinking". Well-known patent litigator Heinz Bardehle and others have advocated a replacement for the Gold Standard which defines disclosure as lying somewhere intermediate between novelty and obviousness. Interesting, even lucrative, territory for litigators but I'm not sure it obeys the maxim KISS. If you have something else in mind, do tell. [14:30] schestowitz " [14:30] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/10/hague-court-of-appeal-sets-dutch.html?showComment=1604945731036#c2124824157502476232 [14:30] schestowitz " [14:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Hague Court of Appeal sets Dutch approach to equivalence, reversing District Court in pemetrexed saga - The IPKat [14:30] schestowitz I would replace the Gold Standard with one related much more to the technical teaching apparent to the skilled person, which could be seen as 'implicit disclosure', if one was trying to fix the present system. [14:31] schestowitz However I believe we are now at the point of completely needing to overhaul how IP works and interacts with the economy in order to more accurately reflect what R&D is about. I would therefore change the system so that patent term and patent scope was linked to the most efficient economic working of the R&D system. So in my proposal the Patent Office would draft the claim for you once they saw your data and understood the [14:31] schestowitz contribution. There would not be any added matter test for this. You would instead get the scope your data deserved with perhaps some added consideration of the amount of money you spent and the nature of the risk you took. The patent term would also be decided at the same time based on such factors. The immediate reaction to this is that it is very difficult to do. And that is true, it would take a long time to make the system work [14:31] schestowitz properly, and a huge culture change. However it would allows Mankind to revisit the fundamental questions as to what an IP system should be about, and how it could benefit the planet most. The Examiner would first and foremost be an economist, with scientific and legal skills. [14:31] schestowitz " [14:31] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/10/hague-court-of-appeal-sets-dutch.html?showComment=1605008136436#c8313796475526989134 [14:31] schestowitz " [14:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Hague Court of Appeal sets Dutch approach to equivalence, reversing District Court in pemetrexed saga - The IPKat [14:31] schestowitz Well, well, Denver, you do surprise me. You suppose that the Gold Standard takes no account of the disclosure of a document that is "implicit". But that isn't so. It does. To repeat: it isn't the Gold Standard that is flawed. Rather, it's the advocacy and the reasoning behind individual panel decisions at the EPO that sometimes leave much to be desired. [14:31] schestowitz Coincidentally, we have an item on another blog running concurrently, with which we can explore how the courts of the USA decide priority contests. I just posted a comment on it. Perhaps you would like to respond there (as this thread is surely now at the point of exhaustion/closure). I do hope so: [14:31] schestowitz https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2020/11/08/federal-circuit-affirms-ptab-interference-decision-based-claim-construction-newman-dissents/id=127138/ [14:31] schestowitz " [14:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ipwatchdog.com | Federal Circuit Affirms PTAB Interference Decision based on Claim Construction; Newman Dissents [14:31] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/10/hague-court-of-appeal-sets-dutch.html?showComment=1605029879906#c25343358452766274 [14:31] schestowitz "Thank you MaxDrei for your detailed responses. I will look at the other conversation." [14:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Hague Court of Appeal sets Dutch approach to equivalence, reversing District Court in pemetrexed saga - The IPKat [14:32] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/01/an-infringement-of-ip-rights-that-is.html?showComment=1605150679656#c2125765464564012100 [14:32] schestowitz " [14:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | An Infringement of IP Rights that is also a Breach of Contract is still an Infringement of IP Rights - The IPKat [14:32] schestowitz I am confused by this ruling? [14:32] schestowitz Is it saying that a behavior breaching a software license agreement that would violate copyright law, would by no surprised still be copyright infringement? [14:32] schestowitz Or is it saying that violating even additional terms that for example attempts to take away copyright limitation rights would automatically be copyright infringement? [14:32] schestowitz For example: Copyright law there had a limitation maybe allowing first sale rights depending on how the person gets the software, but the contract prohibited it. Person sells it anyway. Would that now be considered copyright infringement? Not sure if this requires a lawyer to answer though. [14:32] schestowitz " [14:43] oiaohm Yes if the software technically leased like Microsoft volume licenses you don't in fact own it to sell it. [14:44] oiaohm Some cases it copyright infringment some cases is just straight up theift under law. [14:48] oiaohm schestowitz: to sell something you must legally own it. There are a lot of weasel ways a software license can be renting you the software instead of giving you legal ownership. [14:49] oiaohm Breaching those weasel ways is breach of contract before copyright breach. ● Nov 15 [15:17] schestowitz :-) [15:21] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/05/01/settlement-for-former-suepo-leader-social-tensions-remain-at-the-epo/#comments [15:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Settlement for former SUEPO leader, social tensions remain at the EPO - Kluwer Patent Blog [15:21] schestowitz " [15:21] schestowitz What has happened to Mr Prunier is the fig leave behind which the president will hide when he will report to the AC. Look how wonderful I am, I settled the case. I deserve an even higher bonus!! [15:21] schestowitz The social situation as a whole has certainly not improved, it rather continues to worsen, contrary to the mandate given by the AC to the president to restore social peace. [15:22] schestowitz Coming up with such a biased financial study, simply taking the worst possible assumptions, e.g. no fee increase or annual fee revenues, is not a way which will allow staff of the EPO to trust its president and all the minions working for him. [15:22] schestowitz Being competent was not a guarantee neither under the previous nor under the present one to keep your job. By asking the right questions you have a high chance to end up in a cupboard, and we come back to the stiffening of the backbone mentioned by Max Drei in another comment.. [15:22] schestowitz " ● Nov 15 [16:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [16:21] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [16:23] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [16:25] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [16:52] schestowitz " [16:52] schestowitz [CSC] Production Pressure in Time of Pandemic [16:52] schestowitz Letter to VP1 asking to reassure Staff: Priority is Health and not Production [16:52] schestowitz [16:52] schestowitz We believe that, in this moment, the health of staff, their families and the society around us is more important than ever. [16:52] schestowitz We therefore ask VP1 to reassure staff by announcing, explicitly, that they will not be personally blamed for any loss in production due to this pandemic. We ask him to encourage staff to focus less on production targets and to simply do what they are able to do given the situation. [16:52] schestowitz [16:53] schestowitz We look forward to VP1s positive response to our request. 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