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[07:26] schestowitz
[07:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ati-radeon-gpus-get-driver-optimizations-linux">Linux )
[07:27] schestowitz
To demonstrate just how old these GPUs are, the R500 graphics cards, also named the X1000 series were launched in 2007 and were built on a huge 90nm process. The flagship card at the time, the ATI Radeon X1800 XT could only achieve 83 Gflops of performance (with a G). It's a far cry from today where the best graphics cards, like the RTX 3090, can achieve over 35 TFlops.
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[09:43] activelow the old radeon cards power consumption was lower too
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[10:10] activelow did some calculations: the rtx3090 got ~500x more processing power
[10:11] activelow the die shrink from 90nm to 9nm equals a reduction in power consumption per silicon area 10^2; that's one hundred
[10:12] activelow then, the RTX3090 requiers ~3x the amount of electricity, that's a total of ~300x
[10:12] activelow alltogether, far less impressive, for the fact alone power consumption tripled
[10:13] activelow if Nvidia could manufacture a GPU with 83GFLOPs requiring 500milliwatts total this had been far more impressive
[10:19] activelow some faster ARM Mali graphics score ~20GFLOPs, and even this was sufficient with the opensource graphics drivers for Linux with nexuiz/darkplaces at FullHD@60Hz steady
[10:20] activelow maybe that's another reason why Nvidia seeks to grab ARM, to perpetuate their trillion dollar GPU scam; to sell hardware which requires 500Watts instead of 5W total
[10:21] activelow and the ARM Mali graphics i tested is rather old and outdated already, manufactured at 28nm
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[11:48] schestowitz activelow: afaik, all of those companies make SUPER-proprietary stuff
[11:49] schestowitz I'm not even sure how many options exist for that type of hardware that can be trusted
[11:49] schestowitz Russia and India make their own
[11:49] schestowitz Mali and ARM might be better, but now, but not for lonh
[11:49] schestowitz *long
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[11:55] activelow schestowitz: yep, ARM hardware is fully proprietary
[11:56] activelow nonetheless, IBM Wintel PC and Nvidia are WORSE
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[13:01] schestowitz-TR just gopt an emvelopse ;-)
[13:01] schestowitz-TR will put in quarantine for 2 days, as usual
[13:01] schestowitz-TR activelow: arm?
[13:03] Techrights-sec that was fast
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[14:06] activelow schestowitz-TR: what's the question?
[14:09] activelow anyway, Nvidia and most other GPUs are a bad choice, because these are special purpose hardware *only*
[14:12] activelow these cannot be programmed for easily, no operating system can be deployed to them, and with a power budget of 300watts for the GPU only i could imagine 300 ARM cortex general purpose CPU cores instead (or any other power efficient RISC)
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[15:01] psydroid2 I'm not sure discrete GPUs have a future outside of certain niches
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[15:11] Techrights-sec congratulations and best of luck
[15:11] Techrights-sec yes, microsofters do what they can to sabotage
[15:11] Techrights-sec moodle is (or at least was) very staright forward to set up
[15:11] Techrights-sec remember though that if they had windows they did not have a techology problem
[15:11] Techrights-sec as much as a staffing problem and those problem individuals, such as those
[15:11] Techrights-sec sabotaging, will have to be dealt with administratively
[15:18] schestowitz-TR this morning we shut off their "azure"
[15:18] schestowitz-TR no more Windows, no more Microsoft
[15:18] schestowitz-TR migration successful, less money for the thugs
[15:18] schestowitz-TR Microsoft seems to have used WAF as vendor lockin, but we found a way around that crap
[15:18] schestowitz-TR systemd ;-)
[15:18] schestowitz-TR joke
[15:18] schestowitz-TR this morning we shut off their "azure"
[15:18] schestowitz-TR no more Windows, no more Microsoft
[15:18] schestowitz-TR migration successful, less money for the thugs
[15:18] schestowitz-TR Microsoft seems to have used WAF as vendor lockin, but we found a way around that crap
[15:18] schestowitz-TR systemd ;-)
[15:18] schestowitz-TR joke
[15:19] Techrights-sec some sources I read commented that azure costs close to 20 times the
[15:19] Techrights-sec competition's services; and less reliable too
[15:19] Techrights-sec Yes the "cloud" serviecs from all vendors have varying degrees of lock-in
[15:19] Techrights-sec through bizarre, complcated control interfaces
[15:19] Techrights-sec systemd is part of the move to decommoditize GNU/Linux. Red Hat has made
[15:19] Techrights-sec t(now IBM) has made far more progress than M$ in that regard and the effects
[15:19] Techrights-sec are about as bad
[15:19] Techrights-sec Debian, the core of most other distros, has basically been destroyed by the
[15:19] Techrights-sec infighting that it took to pound through adoption of systemd against all
[15:19] Techrights-sec reasonable technical expectations.
[15:31] activelow Debian (*deb) and RedHat (*rpm) are tailored for consumer comfort and business
[15:32] activelow in practice, the regular updates required are horror
[15:33] activelow i want a system which can be administered, exposed to internet either providing or consuming services, and not requires any update in 10years
[15:34] activelow *does not require
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[17:03] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: lots of energy wasted
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[17:07] psydroid2 watching developments in the x86 world has been like watching a train accident happening right before your eyes
[17:08] psydroid2 https://erik-engheim.medium.com/risc-v-used-because-its-free-e1f04140bc3d
[17:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://erik-engheim.medium.com/risc-v-used-because-its-free-e1f04140bc3d
[17:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-erik-engheim.medium.com | RISC-V Used Because Its Free?. Is the RISC-V microprocessor | by Erik Engheim | Nov, 2021 | Medium
[17:08] psydroid2 not everyone needs a power-hungry graphics card
[17:08] psydroid2 and for what purpose would you "need" one?
[17:08] schestowitz-TR exactly
[17:09] schestowitz-TR but you say it in revers
[17:09] schestowitz-TR maybe by intention
[17:09] schestowitz-TR it's the field of dreams
[17:09] schestowitz-TR build it, they will come
[17:09] schestowitz-TR make 100 watt GPU
[17:09] schestowitz-TR gazillion polygons rendered per secomd
[17:09] schestowitz-TR then pay "game" developers to recycle boring old games
[17:09] schestowitz-TR and just throw more loads at them
[17:10] schestowitz-TR with BTC/Bitccoin, throw lots of cpu cycles at trash
[17:10] schestowitz-TR or "hey hi"
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[17:10] schestowitz-TR (data-mining)
[17:10] schestowitz-TR surveillance based on weak pretences, oversold to advertisers and such
[17:10] schestowitz-TR "crime prediction"
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[17:12] psydroid2 the first thing is power-efficient ASICs could be used for specific use cases
[17:13] psydroid2 and the second one is about the "need" for "games", as you just said
[17:14] psydroid2 I frankly couldn't care less about those "games", that are just like ads for buying more power-hungry and more expensive graphics hardware
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[17:21] schestowitz-TR thhey are not fun
[17:21] schestowitz-TR orgy of ploygon pools
[17:27] schestowitz-TR gameplay takes effort
[17:27] schestowitz-TR instead they expect the gamers to spend
[17:27] schestowitz-TR and compensate for map maps, assets etc.
[17:28] schestowitz-TR *bad maps
[17:28] schestowitz-TR for their "polygon" ocean
[17:28] schestowitz-TR lots of inefficiently-rendered stuff
[17:28] schestowitz-TR occlusion etc.
[17:28] schestowitz-TR in doom you could render a lot with very little
[17:28] schestowitz-TR not it's the opposite
[17:29] schestowitz-TR to just show some characters you need billions of transistors
[17:29] schestowitz-TR even though the gab process improced a lot
[17:29] schestowitz-TR likewise, the Web:
[17:29] schestowitz-TR sites like online banks now need like x10 the hardware resources
[17:29] schestowitz-TR to do the same thing you did in them like 20 years ago
[17:29] schestowitz-TR I picked up my bank's CD-ROM
[17:39] schestowitz-TR quite the git diff ;-)
[17:39] schestowitz-TR and one whitespace fewer ;-)
[17:40] schestowitz-TR we have 10 more parts on EPO, the one from last night was a short reminder
[17:40] Techrights-sec yes long but unimportant
[17:40] Techrights-sec great!
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[17:48] Techrights-sec Just looking at it from this distance, it looks like the EPO could do much
[17:48] Techrights-sec better by not pushing out junk patents, trimming management, and hiring more
[17:48] Techrights-sec skilled/experienced examiners.
[17:49] schestowitz-TR SUEPO wrote about this for years; it will be DIFFICULT for them to hire the RIGHT people now. It's a crisis. They get fresh grads, to EXAMINE monopolies. Knowledge of one language.
[17:49] schestowitz-TR also see
[17:49] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/10/15/stirling-and-pan-european-seal-programme/
[17:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | With EPO Strike Regulations Belatedly Ruled Unlawful, EPO Management May be Lowering the Salary Even Further by Introducing Outside Temps or Casual Workers | Techrights
[17:53] Techrights-sec I see. The union was broken or at least weakened substantially
[17:54] schestowitz-TR many have retired. Jose left months ago. he's the one who had fainted after IU treatment.
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[18:00] schestowitz this is in Planet Debian right now https://linux.codehelp.co.uk/diversity-and-gender.html
[18:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linux.codehelp.co.uk | Diversity and gender - linux.codehelp.co.uk
[18:00] schestowitz not connected to Free Software of Debian
[18:00] schestowitz seems like a way to divide the hackers
[18:04] Techrights-sec ack
[18:04] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/15/stirling-and-pan-european-seal-programme/
[18:04] Techrights-sec WTF?
[18:04] Techrights-sec That's not code.
[18:04] Techrights-sec get them fighting each other so M$ does not lose ground so quickly as it would
[18:04] Techrights-sec otherwise
[18:04] Techrights-sec destroying debian takes out hundreds of derivative distros
[18:04] Techrights-sec some of the derivatives, like Ubuntu, were important enough for M$ to go out
[18:04] Techrights-sec of their way to infiltrate specifically
[18:04] Techrights-sec however no project is too small for them to attack
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[18:09] Techrights-sec m$ attacks and tries to infiltrate any group it learns about
[18:09] Techrights-sec schools are more beholden to money than even magazines, so the long game
[18:09] Techrights-sec has been to crush and destroy comp sci and programming at university and college
[18:09] Techrights-sec levels
[18:12] Techrights-sec yes, microsoftianism is a lifestyle choice
[18:13] schestowitz-TR I still wonder if our client was putting a moodle site on wsl or something, for maybe 100,000 users... I wasn't close enough to lean the details from the "server and server engineer" ;-)
[18:13] schestowitz-TR *learn
[18:13] schestowitz-TR but my colleague was LMAO
[18:13] schestowitz-TR and said they had no idea what they were doing
[18:14] schestowitz-TR they fought hard against running moodle on gnu/linux
[18:14] schestowitz-TR and outside azure ^_^
[18:17] Techrights-sec as mentioned earlier, the presence of M$ products is not a technical problem
[18:17] Techrights-sec but a staffing problem; the performance of wsl and azure is not good, among
[18:17] Techrights-sec the many other problems they introduce. someone there is fighting against
[18:17] Techrights-sec technology and pushing M$ at all costs; if they are behaving like those at other
[18:17] Techrights-sec institutions they would probably rather see their employer go bankrupt than
[18:17] Techrights-sec let it leave M$ clutches.
[18:17] Techrights-sec In that case, while they might be on their employer's payroll, they are reallky
[18:17] Techrights-sec working for M$ against the enployer.
[18:18] schestowitz-TR bingo. but we won the argument at the end. it's a big client.
[18:20] Techrights-sec again congratulations and continued good luck
[18:20] Techrights-sec I'm wondering if any companies ever have policies that those on the payroll
[18:20] Techrights-sec must work for the company and not its competitors, like m$
[18:20] schestowitz-TR good point
[18:21] schestowitz-TR rianne know better than me because she read most of the correspondence, I have not
[18:21] schestowitz-TR I can't be bothered fighting with microsofters
[18:22] schestowitz-TR not my "pay grade" :-)
[18:22] schestowitz-TR *would know
[18:23] Techrights-sec m$ sees other companies not just as competitors to squash but as opponents
[18:23] Techrights-sec politically
[18:23] Techrights-sec ack
[18:23] schestowitz-TR microsoft phoned to complain about me and Gates Foundation passed a "bribe"
[18:24] Techrights-sec yes but under nda iirc
[18:24] schestowitz-TR yes, the "SECRET" 'charity'
[18:25] Techrights-sec with strings attached, implicit and explicit
[18:25] schestowitz-TR on call, the first thing the boss did was,
[18:25] schestowitz-TR he said, I know roy might not like tis
[18:25] schestowitz-TR or something to that effect
[18:25] schestowitz-TR he mentioned nobody else
[18:31] Techrights-sec hmm.
[18:43] Techrights-sec another topic, would it be useful to make a Git repository for the daily links?
[18:43] Techrights-sec that would pave the way for several concurrent contributors, including a more
[18:43] Techrights-sec independent automated RSS harvester.
[18:44] schestowitz-TR I thought about it before, but it would not suit the current workflow at all
[18:48] Techrights-sec ack
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[21:26] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/herrsmithson/status/1469709141342101504
[21:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Alex C. Smithson (@herrsmithson): "Gi il padre finanziava il PATH. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Ideas/Media-Center/Press-Releases/1999/04/Program-for-Appropriate-Technology-in-Health-PATH#:~:text=SEATTLE%20--%20PATH%20%28Program%20for%20Appropriate%20Technology%20in,development%20of%20Ultra%20Rice%E2%84%A2%2C%20a%20fortified%20rice%20product. Gates fu anche "bannato" dall'India. https://rupe-india.org/57/gates.
[21:28] schestowitz https://twitter.com/csolisr/status/1469769931440988166
[21:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@csolisr: @schestowitz As somebody who has to use Windows for reasons: yeah
[21:28] schestowitz https://twitter.com/natynecc/status/1469708848344743936
[21:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@natynecc: @schestowitz I even Don't know what is Azure and wtf it's used?
[21:28] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1469599308739747843
[21:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: don't fall for the #bluehydrogen con... https://t.co/wAGhYPUYdR
[21:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #DeSmog Mapped: Europes #FossilFuel -Backed #Hydrogen Lobby https://t.co/jJ8A1kNXtf
[21:29] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1469598941901733890
[21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: hey hey, it's the monkees... https://t.co/2hp8WWyDah
[21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #nesmith https://t.co/c9yv8OPkx5
[21:29] schestowitz https://twitter.com/ssk85760565/status/1469594121274802176
[21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ssk85760565: Here comes the next US-created disaster in Aftica. #Ethiopia https://t.co/zORWcwHRDB
[21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #MintPressNews Every Option Is on the Table: US Prepping for Libya-Style Intervention in #Ethiopia https://t.co/WOm3CsaVYH
[21:29] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Z_ballss/status/1469590760836276225
[21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Z_ballss: @schestowitz It means theyll be in poverty for a longer time now
[21:29] schestowitz https://twitter.com/ManuelRomer2/status/1469502849633636356
[21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ManuelRomer2: @schestowitz https://t.co/QdBoOKyATX
[21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.gofundme.com | Fundraiser by Jessica Gonzalez : ABK Strike Fund
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