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[01:03] schestowitz >>> but the tweet words are about FSFE, that is these photos and links:
[01:04] schestowitz >>>
[01:04] schestowitz >>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/
[01:04] schestowitz >>> (Bonnie Mehring)
[01:04] schestowitz >>>
[01:04] schestowitz >>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/
[01:04] schestowitz >>> (Olga Gkotsopoulou)
[01:04] schestowitz >> This is not a mistake. I didn't select the photo, Twitter picks up the
[01:04] schestowitz >> photos. The sentence quoted is the first sentence in the corresponding
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[01:04] schestowitz >> article.
[01:04] schestowitz > I understand you didn't tell Twitter to use that photo but nonetheless
[01:04] schestowitz > it is not the right photo for that text, if there is any way you can
[01:04] schestowitz > change the photo it would be helpful.
[01:04] schestowitz >
[01:04] schestowitz >> Either way, I think you should write about someone in Germany, FSFE I
[01:04] schestowitz >> assume, working to censor mere tweets behind the scenes. Twitter could
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[01:04] schestowitz >> take action without even telling me.
[01:04] schestowitz > I already assumed that they have silent censorship, for example, they
[01:04] schestowitz > tend to let feel-good causes go viral but if you post something deep and
[01:04] schestowitz > meaningful they don't want other users to feel stressed so they bury it.
[01:04] schestowitz >
[01:04] schestowitz > I actually warned the world about Twitter and Facebook in my comments at
[01:04] schestowitz > the UN forum, did you see the video?
[01:04] schestowitz >
[01:04] schestowitz > https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/free_comms/
[01:04] schestowitz >
[01:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Towards free, private and secure communications
[01:04] schestowitz >> I've asked Twitter to allow me to challenge this.
[01:04] schestowitz > Having an account with Twitter, Facebook or Google only gives them
[01:04] schestowitz > credibility
[01:04] schestowitz >
[01:04] schestowitz > When you put effort into building a following on Twitter it is like
[01:04] schestowitz > fixing a house that you are renting. As a tenant, you don't get to keep
[01:04] schestowitz > the benefits of the work you do there.
[01:04] schestowitz That is a great analogy.
[01:04] schestowitz Years ago I stopped putting any efforts into such sites.
[01:04] schestowitz Whatever exists, if it requires no additional efforts, might stay.
[01:04] schestowitz >>> but the tweet words are about FSFE, that is these photos and links:
[01:04] schestowitz >>>
[01:04] schestowitz >>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/
[01:04] schestowitz >>> (Bonnie Mehring)
[01:04] schestowitz >>>
[01:05] schestowitz >>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/
[01:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Matthias Kirschner & FSFE: Objectifying women for Valentines Day
[01:05] schestowitz >>> (Olga Gkotsopoulou)
[01:05] schestowitz >> This is not a mistake. I didn't select the photo, Twitter picks up the
[01:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Matthias Kirschner & FSFE: Coercing interns to be photographed
[01:05] schestowitz >> photos. The sentence quoted is the first sentence in the corresponding
[01:05] schestowitz >> article.
[01:05] schestowitz > I understand you didn't tell Twitter to use that photo but nonetheless
[01:05] schestowitz > it is not the right photo for that text, if there is any way you can
[01:05] schestowitz > change the photo it would be helpful.
[01:05] schestowitz >
[01:05] schestowitz >> Either way, I think you should write about someone in Germany, FSFE I
[01:05] schestowitz >> assume, working to censor mere tweets behind the scenes. Twitter could
[01:05] schestowitz >> take action without even telling me.
[01:05] schestowitz > I already assumed that they have silent censorship, for example, they
[01:05] schestowitz > tend to let feel-good causes go viral but if you post something deep and
[01:05] schestowitz > meaningful they don't want other users to feel stressed so they bury it.
[01:05] schestowitz >
[01:05] schestowitz > I actually warned the world about Twitter and Facebook in my comments at
[01:05] schestowitz > the UN forum, did you see the video?
[01:05] schestowitz >
[01:05] schestowitz > https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/free_comms/
[01:05] schestowitz >
[01:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Towards free, private and secure communications
[01:05] schestowitz >> I've asked Twitter to allow me to challenge this.
[01:05] schestowitz > Having an account with Twitter, Facebook or Google only gives them
[01:05] schestowitz > credibility
[01:05] schestowitz >
[01:05] schestowitz > When you put effort into building a following on Twitter it is like
[01:05] schestowitz > fixing a house that you are renting. As a tenant, you don't get to keep
[01:05] schestowitz > the benefits of the work you do there.
[01:05] schestowitz That is a great analogy.
[01:05] schestowitz Years ago I stopped putting any efforts into such sites.
[01:05] schestowitz Whatever exists, if it requires no additional efforts, might stay.
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[04:16] schestowitz
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[04:16] schestowitz
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[04:16] schestowitz
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[09:10] schestowitz-TR I think that the general direction isn't trying to fix or stay with IBM but to sh
[09:10] schestowitz-TR ift away from that thing, one bit at a time
[09:11] Techrights-sec whose general direction?
[09:17] Techrights-sec more legible:
[09:17] Techrights-sec rpms mess things up, grub2 is IMO unreliable, yet these are important updates
[09:17] Techrights-sec $ yum check-updates | sed -e '0,/^$/d' | wc -l
[09:18] schestowitz-TR iirc, you got the whole thing running on a laptop with devuan
[09:18] Techrights-sec yes a few years ago (2018 iirc) those are all gone but I do the daily backup stil
[09:18] Techrights-sec l
[09:18] schestowitz-TR very good, thank you. I was about to back up IRC
[09:21] Techrights-sec It'd probably take a day or two but I could get it running on a laptop again
[09:21] Techrights-sec however the way is slow, clumsy, and wrong due to lack of familiarity with LXC
[09:21] Techrights-sec there are also some very important security changes needed such as
[09:21] Techrights-sec not running HTTPd as a login account
[09:22] Techrights-sec If that much work / refactoring is to be done, it would be about the same or
[09:22] Techrights-sec less work to move to a static site generator at the same time
[09:42] schestowitz-TR ack
[09:42] schestowitz-TR I have two question I wished to ask you
[09:42] schestowitz-TR 1) OSI sent a nice message to me. Can we reconcile?
[09:42] schestowitz-TR 2) should I be posting again in Twitter AT ALL?
[09:43] Techrights-sec If that much work / refactoring is to be done, it would be about the same or
[09:43] Techrights-sec less work to move to a static site generator at the same time
[09:43] Techrights-sec 1) reconilliation would require substantial reform on their part
[09:43] Techrights-sec given the direction they have chosen to head recently, thatwill be challenging
[09:43] Techrights-sec at best.
[09:43] Techrights-sec 2) no, but it would be important to fight that mark which certainly accompanied
[09:43] Techrights-sec the ban, ... BUT ... opponents do exploit silence in twitter so that abuse
[09:43] Techrights-sec has to be addressed in some way, but prefereably not in twitter itself
[09:44] Techrights-sec one reason, of many, to avoid twitter is that M$ and the others with armies of
[09:44] Techrights-sec astroturfers can effectively pull a DoS by tangling you up in admnistrivia
[09:44] Techrights-sec or bans, eventually the algorithm will kick in and there will be real difficulty
[09:44] Techrights-sec especially if the reasons for the bans are not contested, it's a pain and they
[09:44] Techrights-sec mean it to be a pain, that way twitter and those backed by the interests backing
[09:44] Techrights-sec twitter (i.e. the current OSI board companies) can speak unopposed
[09:44] Techrights-sec renting is a very good analogy, but in the case of a lot of computing
[09:44] Techrights-sec a more accurate analogy would be sharecropping
[09:46] schestowitz-TR thanks for these answers. I could barely see the text at first because of the sun
[09:46] schestowitz-TR about to start new epo series
[09:48] Techrights-sec ack
[09:51] Techrights-sec I wonder what could be done to get national news in EU countries to
[09:51] Techrights-sec pick up on the EPO? A major barrier to coverage is the inability to compress
[09:51] Techrights-sec it to soundbites and the general deference IT (bullshit) has been given and
[09:51] Techrights-sec how much it is controlled by bill's fifth columnists.
[09:52] schestowitz-TR in 2021 you wrote a short page about the situation, and it was read thousands of times
[09:52] schestowitz-TR I think such pages can help, esp. if composed for outsiders (to the system)
[09:54] Techrights-sec Link?
[09:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO_in_2021
[09:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO in 2021 - Techrights
[09:56] schestowitz-TR see drafts, just added one
[09:56] schestowitz-TR typos very very likely
[09:59] Techrights-sec yes, such pages can help
[09:59] Techrights-sec one difficulty is that all regions and countries are engaged in races to the
[09:59] Techrights-sec bottom and people are subjected to the psychological equivalent of a buffer
[09:59] Techrights-sec overflow due to too many outrages and unaddressed scandals to manage.
[09:59] Techrights-sec social control media makes the problem worse by having each week a
[09:59] Techrights-sec tempest in a teapot for people to becoe appoplectic about for a few hours
[09:59] Techrights-sec or days before moving on to the next contrived outrage, while the real
[09:59] Techrights-sec scandalous news lies ignored completely by design
[09:59] schestowitz-TR exactly!!
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[10:10] schestowitz-TR sorry, was away for a bit in kitchen chat
[10:10] schestowitz-TR talked to rianne about what we had discussed, she
[10:10] schestowitz-TR will also bring tux machines up to date shortly
[10:10] schestowitz-TR re EPO, I think we need toi rethink the publicstion modality
[10:10] Techrights-sec Thus it is very important to publish news from the staff perspective while
[10:10] Techrights-sec any staff remain.
[10:10] Techrights-sec ^ at the EPO. Already the patent examiners seem to have been culled many times
[10:10] Techrights-sec and through many means.
[10:14] schestowitz-TR tossing long videos online is not the way
[10:14] schestowitz-TR spamnil abuses me a lot
[10:14] schestowitz-TR with his single-digit (view) crapola
[10:14] schestowitz-TR there was a good number of sites that did, in the past, experiment with alternati
[10:14] schestowitz-TR ve publication methods
[10:14] schestowitz-TR rianne says confronting in twitter is still necessary
[10:14] schestowitz-TR the temptation to lose patience for it all is there
[10:15] Techrights-sec yes
[10:15] Techrights-sec It is telling that LF flushes money down the toilet on his antics.
[10:15] Techrights-sec that is part of their game, as mentioned before. Those at the top political
[10:15] Techrights-sec level all play many games concurrently. One of them is that the first to
[10:15] Techrights-sec lost composure is out. Unfortunately we are in a period of time when it has
[10:15] Techrights-sec become acceptable to engage in lies and other unacceptable behavior in order
[10:15] Techrights-sec to elicit emotional responses and thus manipulate opponents out of contention.
[10:19] Techrights-sec Why can't FSFE and FFII pick up some of the load? sw patents are a direct
[10:19] Techrights-sec threat to both groups' interests. Have they become dining clubs instead?
[10:20] schestowitz-TR ack
[10:20] schestowitz-TR not much is (in practice) left of ffii excpe my mate ben
[10:20] schestowitz-TR pieter died, too
[10:20] Techrights-sec yes that was a sore blow but institutions can recover if designed well
[10:20] Techrights-sec However, regardless of design, the stronger the person running things the
[10:20] Techrights-sec more of a vacuum they leave when gone.
[10:20] Techrights-sec I saw that as a student and decided that leaders should be judged by how
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[10:20] Techrights-sec well things run during the two or three years after their departure.
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[10:20] schestowitz-TR I find this conversation very motivational and constructive, so bear with me...
[10:21] Techrights-sec np
[10:22] schestowitz-TR processing and internalising a number of things at once, lost my marbles a bit after irc network reboot and all the rest
[10:23] schestowitz-TR btw, andy is very eager to do collabs with us
[10:23] Techrights-sec excellent! That is very good news.
[10:24] schestowitz-TR whereasd the person who taught me ipfs vanished so suddently along with his web site and email address. I do not even know how to contact him
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[10:25] Techrights-sec His series has been great and each post
[10:25] Techrights-sec has hit very important topics, in an approachable manner.
[10:25] Techrights-sec :/ that leaves a question about what to do about IPFS support in the longer term
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[10:28] schestowitz-TR I was contacted by Twitter and then by email by some "web3" company
[10:28] schestowitz-TR which says it can help us I am sceptical, but did not commit to anything
[10:29] Techrights-sec I don't know enough about either IPFS or the company to make an assessment
[10:29] Techrights-sec Apologies but I will defer IPFS questions to others. I seem to be missing
[10:29] Techrights-sec some core concept regarding IFPS
[10:31] schestowitz-TR the ts;dr version
[10:31] schestowitz-TR it is p2p
[10:31] schestowitz-TR but hashes or addresses are in circulation among peeers so no single point of fai
[10:31] schestowitz-TR lure like TPB
[10:31] Techrights-sec yes, the P2P I see, the details elude me however and those are necessary for
[10:31] Techrights-sec dealing with IPFS in practice.
[10:35] schestowitz-TR lots and lots od dht packets, about as useful as crypto [sic] cranks
[10:39] Techrights-sec cryptcurrency?
[10:39] Techrights-sec cryptocurrency == waste of electricity / CO2
[10:40] SomeH4x0r agreed
[10:41] SomeH4x0r my opinion is that Bitcoin is a failed experiment on electronic cash, which was turned into evil thing by big entities
[10:41] SomeH4x0r and it exists because unaware individuals who think it is still "decentralized"
[10:42] SomeH4x0r though really idk why do people pay for NFT
[10:42] schestowitz-TR that just lets us satirise the whole mentality
[10:44] Techrights-sec bitcoin was a very successful experiment, but it *ended* completely in 2009
[10:44] Techrights-sec what's left well that's not the experiment but simply a crowd sifting through
[10:44] Techrights-sec lab trash out on the curb.
[10:52] Techrights-sec bitcoin and other cryptocurrency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogs
[10:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Milk caps (game) - Wikipedia
[10:52] schestowitz-TR lol, I used to collect those
[10:59] Techrights-sec https://firstwefeast.com/drink/2016/01/surprising-history-of-pogs-juice-company
[10:59] Techrights-sec Back to EPO, I would suspect that the end game they have planned is
[10:59] Techrights-sec financialization. That would enable them to fire the staff and keep a handful
[10:59] Techrights-sec of beancounters around, with whom they share ideals and goals. One or two
[10:59] Techrights-sec patent examiners would be kept around so they could claim to be in business
[10:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-firstwefeast.com | The Surprising History of Pogs, the '90s-Era Craze Sparked By a Juice Company | First We Feast
[10:59] Techrights-sec but the examiner(s) would be on a really short leash, more so than now.
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[11:02] Techrights-sec AFAIK, both Apple and M$ have changed to financialization and gotten mostly
[11:02] Techrights-sec out of their original business of hardware and marketing respectively. However,
[11:02] Techrights-sec M$ and to a lesser extent Apple retain their activities in lobbying, since it is
[11:02] Techrights-sec a necessity at that level, apple with its trillions and m$ with its debt.
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[23:39] schestowitz > Hi,
[23:39] schestowitz >
[23:39] schestowitz > Hope you had a great holiday break. Very best wishes for 2022!
[23:39] schestowitz >
[23:39] schestowitz > For me, 2021 ended and 2022 began with a 10 part series published on
[23:39] schestowitz > techrights.org, a popular site for software freedom issues.
[23:40] schestowitz > It continues the theme of living a "healthy digital life" - as much as
[23:40] schestowitz > we can.
[23:40] schestowitz >
[23:40] schestowitz > Starting ere you can probably find links to all the parts.
[23:40] schestowitz >
[23:40] schestowitz > https://techrights.org/2022/01/03/article-on-digital-rights-in-2021-part-10/
[23:40] schestowitz >
[23:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | My Year as a Digital Vegan Part X Happy New Year: Thoughts for 2022 and Beyond | Techrights
[23:40] schestowitz > I hope _you_ are keeping very well, still happy and thriving
[23:40] schestowitz > and not letting technology drive you too crazy.
[23:40] schestowitz Re: Article: 2021 Review. My year as a Digital Vegan
[23:56] schestowitz RMS:
[23:56] schestowitz >> Packaging a program in distros is crucial for the community because it
[23:56] schestowitz >> leads to various teams that independently work on the program, and
[23:56] schestowitz >> thus have a chance to make sure it is honest. This is why free
[23:56] schestowitz >> software tends not to be malware.
[23:56] schestowitz > This does not happen in practice but it could happen.
[23:56] schestowitz >
[23:56] schestowitz > In Debian I've observed that people put more scrutiny on each other than
[23:56] schestowitz > on the code.
[23:56] schestowitz >
[23:56] schestowitz > The words used in their most recent mob outbreak can be seen as a
[23:56] schestowitz > confession that decisions are made by secret tribunals and secret
[23:56] schestowitz > (fictional) evidence.
[23:56] schestowitz >
[23:56] schestowitz > The mentality behind that needs careful analysis: they are saying "trust
[23:57] schestowitz > us because we are a distribution". Yet the moment we let our guard down
[23:57] schestowitz > and give anybody absolute trust, they will change the rules. It is
[23:57] schestowitz > human nature and it happens in every domain.
[23:57] schestowitz >
[23:57] schestowitz > Several character attack emails, including the anti-Appelbaum mob (2016)
[23:57] schestowitz > and anti-RMS mob at Easter 2021, were linked to a Pentagon employee,
[23:57] schestowitz > Paul Tagliamonte. He was pictured with the chairman of the joint
[23:57] schestowitz > chiefs. We are asked to trust all the words of these mobs because "it
[23:57] schestowitz > is Debian". In Afghanistan, when they made a drone strike on a guy
[23:57] schestowitz > transporting water bottles, the Pentagon also asked us to trust them,
[23:57] schestowitz > their anonymous experts had confirmed he was a suicide bomber.
[23:57] schestowitz >
[23:57] schestowitz > These people and their goals appear to be intent upon preventing
[23:57] schestowitz > distributions from fully achieving their potential as independent and
[23:57] schestowitz > trustworthy reviewers of code. Above all else, they are creating a cult
[23:57] schestowitz > around their name. The code, even if it is better than malware, is
[23:57] schestowitz > still second to their aggressive (anti-)social agendas.
[23:57] schestowitz >
[23:57] schestowitz >> You may be right that it doesn't particularly help on other dimensions,
[23:57] schestowitz >> but this one is a must.
[23:57] schestowitz >>
[23:57] schestowitz >> Also, we in our community use distros of GNU/Linux, so if we sponsor or promote
[23:57] schestowitz >> a program (game or not) we will want it to be packaged for our distros.
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