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00:00 DaemonFC; And the stuff that actually was good, and was never put on DVD will only be available through file sharing. Which I'm sure they'll monitor and complain to your ISP about even if theres's no way to pay them to watch it.
00:07 MinceR; https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/12/bofh_2022_episode_15/
00:07 TR Bot; Who us? BOFH and PFY? Spend time with other departments? The Register
00:16 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I'm writing another post about streaming.
00:16 DaemonFC; This one is heavily focused on the impending collapse of HBO Max, but references the one about Netflix.
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00:25 loner; decided yesterday, to fully remove ALSA support from userspace
00:25 loner; they did some really weird things, to sound support with ALSA
00:26 loner; some symbol-versioning, and some ABI breakage between alsa-0.9 and later
00:26 DaemonFC; Probably because there's nobody left using it directly?
00:26 DaemonFC; OSS has ALSA emulation though.
00:27 DaemonFC; So you probably can use Pulseaudio and Pipewire over OSS using ALSA emulation if you wanted to go that route.
00:27 DaemonFC; You'd need to in order to get sound working on a Firefox browser.
00:28 loner; i removed pulseaudio/pipewire long time ago already
00:28 loner; however, now i'll remove ALSA from userspace too
00:29 loner; OSS at least is platform-independent, meaning it is available on *BSD too
00:29 DaemonFC; There really are no compatibility guarantees with any OS anymore.
00:29 loner; i know
00:29 DaemonFC; I remember when at least Microsoft worried about old software running on their new OS.
00:29 loner; that's why i rolled-back to old versions of mplayer/libsdl etc... just one example
00:30 DaemonFC; When XP was new there were compatibility updates for it constantly to get stubborn old Windows 9x software to work.
00:30 loner; i had not given ALSA that much thought, althouth it wasn't that easy to configure
00:30 loner; yet recently, when I saw alsa-lib fail with tcc-compiler... i re-iterated over ALSA too
00:30 loner; and hey, why not, OSS is still there
00:31 DaemonFC; The same thing happened with Vista and 7 to a lesser extent.
00:31 DaemonFC; Because they were obviously more XP compatible than XP was with 9x.
00:32 loner; DaemonFC: i don't care about IBM Wintel OS
00:32 DaemonFC; But around Windows 8, Microsoft stopped caring if it broke applications, even though Windows 11 is still a garbage dump for all kinds of shit.
00:33 loner; anyway, the OSS issue is rather old, almost 20 years when it was common with linux kernel-2.4
00:33 loner; that's why, i find it surprising, it's not fully settled yet, and alsa-lib wrecked against tcc-compiler
00:33 loner; which was, just a minor symptom, due to internal ABI/API breakage within ALSA 0.9 and any later version
00:34 loner; at least, linux kernel still exposes OSS api
00:34 DaemonFC; You'd have to patch in OSS support (modern OSS). Thanks to mjg59_ boot, you can't just expect the system to come back up and work if you've patched the kernel.
00:35 loner; currently i am re-compiling the distro, without alsa-lib and nothing linking against it anymore
00:35 loner; in a few hours, i'll know if at least prboom-plus MIDI and OSS output work
00:35 loner; and mplayer, with sdl/oss audio
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00:36 DaemonFC; mjg59_, "We got Linux to work, if you beg Microsoft." Also mjg59_ "Now that certificate is disabled and you can't boot Linux without also potentially losing your data to Windows Bitlocker."
00:37 DaemonFC; Next it'll be "We got Linux to work for about a decade if you asked Microsoft and risked trashing all your data, but now that certificate is gone and they won't sign anything for us. Who could've seen that coming?"
00:37 loner; i won't ever include any UEFI support anywhere
00:38 XRevan86; loner crippling the audio stack is bizarre but strangely fitting.
00:38 MinceR; meanwhile the masses have been put to sleep while intHell killed the CSM
00:38 starstreak; XRevan86, he has schitzophrenia
00:38 loner; XRevan86: it's not me who crippled the audio stack
00:38 XRevan86; It's the audio stack that crippled itself, yea, yea, whatever.
00:39 XRevan86; I get that ye don't want actual sound.
00:39 loner; just saying, OSS is still there, and this is what i will be using if it works
00:39 loner; and yes, i am even willing to dispose sound support
00:39 loner; if necessary
00:40 starstreak; XRevan86, he literally threw away star trek and big bang theory dvds because "brainwashing"
00:40 loner; if libsdl1/oss work, i'll keep that, certainly not ALSA anymore
00:40 XRevan86; starstreak: I didn't know that, did he write it when I was not in the mood to read his stuff?
00:40 loner; even got a MIDI keyboard here, and see to it'll work with timidity and OSS
00:40 starstreak; XRevan86, at this point im pretty sure he has paranoid schitzophrenia
00:40 starstreak; i think it was yesterday XRevan86
00:40 loner; it wasn't me who wrecked OSS
00:40 XRevan86; starstreak: Ah, yea, I was not in the mood :).
00:41 Helenah; o.o
00:41 *Helenah cuddles
00:42 *Helenah gives XRevan86 a hamper of chocolates
00:42 *Helenah gives loner a hamper of chocolates
00:42 *Helenah gives starstreak a hamper of chocolates
00:42 XRevan86; starstreak: I diagnosed him when he revealed his linguistic prowess. Freak linguistics is a magnet for schitzophrenics.
00:42 Helenah; Freak linguistics?
00:43 XRevan86; Unscientific but extensive "study" of language.
00:43 Helenah; I can't say that about my gf...
00:43 Helenah; and she has paranoid schizophrenia...
00:43 Helenah; She's well educated.
00:44 loner; i was reading a little, some late 19th century biblical exegesis, Leipzig University, philological institute
00:44 Helenah; As for language, it's not an interest of hers but she knows all about it.
00:44 Helenah; Then again my gf's schizophrenia is extremely mild.
00:45 loner; and then I realized, in Leipzig some very old dialect of Indo-European language was conserved
00:45 loner; that old, it can trace it's heritage back to pre-socratic era and bronce age collapse
00:45 Helenah; Interesting!
00:46 XRevan86; Helenah: I specifically mean etymologies / analysis of words.
00:46 loner; nowadays almost all of it is lost
00:46 Helenah; XRevan86: Oh ah
00:47 starstreak; Helenah, thank you =)
00:47 Helenah; loner: Yeah my mind was like "It must be full of holes" just by you mentioning the age...
00:47 Helenah; holes as in missing gaps of lost pieces
00:47 starstreak; XRevan86, i diagnosed him when i realized he was normal at some point and then something snapped making him throw away stuff he previously enjoyed for paranoid reasons
00:47 Helenah; Like cause the education of language isn't easy to teach...
00:48 Helenah; So why teach an obsolete language unless it's of interest to the students you're teaching ie they signed up for it?
00:48 loner; philology can be studied
00:48 loner; the language children grow up with cannot be
00:49 starstreak; loner, you should join #ConspiracyTheory
00:49 Helenah; Children are taught language from growing up, it isn't ingrained into the brain from birth.
00:49 XRevan86; Helenah: The thing about word analysis is that it's easy to get wrong but if the person lacks critical reasoning, they'll fall down the rabbit-hole of their own constructed false narrative.
00:50 loner; Helenah: allright then, what's the transcription of Achilles and Hercules mythological figures?
00:50 Helenah; oh
00:50 Helenah; XRevan86: Who lacks that?
00:50 XRevan86; Helenah: Do I really need to point a finger?
00:50 Helenah; My gf doesn't
00:50 starstreak; the only thing missing is for loner to start re-arranging letters in words for anagram analysis
00:51 Helenah; She lacks it only when she's very ill with her schizophrenia, it comes on in bouts.
00:51 Helenah; I mean she's always got it but it doesn't always show.
00:51 XRevan86; starstreak: Would that really be that much worse than looking for the word "tit" in words like "Titan" and tracing it back to a primordial cow and its tit?
00:51 Helenah; So yes please point fingers, XRevan86 :D
00:51 loner; instead of insults, give it a try at least... what were the designations of Achilles and Hercules in the _original_ language?
00:51 *XRevan86 points at loner.
00:51 Helenah; Ah!
00:52 starstreak; XRevan86, that sounds like something Beavis and Butthead might do
00:52 Helenah; loner: Why give a question as a response that's unrelated to what I'm saying?!
00:52 loner; it's some minor konsonant-shifts only, which too are evident when comparing russian/kyrillic/orthodox alphabet with germanic alphabet
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00:53 Helenah; What does the transcription of Achilles and Hercules mythological figures have to do with anything?
00:53 starstreak_win311; i use win 3.11 by the way
00:53 loner; with Achilles, it's simple, A[ch]illes ch is the [X], and Axilles is Axel. the Axe-men
00:53 Helenah; Yes but what does it have to do with anything?!
00:53 Helenah; I didn't ask for the answer...
00:53 loner; which is plausible with the myth told about him, when they build the giant trojan horse from wood
00:53 Helenah; Is this DaemonFC?
00:53 loner; hence, Achilles were the axe-men..
00:54 Helenah; It's DaemonFC...
00:54 Helenah; typographical stylometrics says so..
00:54 starstreak_win311; helenah - no its not
00:54 Helenah; Oh
00:54 XRevan86; Helenah: It's not "Yes but", he's wrong.
00:54 Helenah; starstreak_win311: Are they buddies of the same motive?
00:54 XRevan86; Also: case & point.
00:54 loner; Hercules is easy too, it's Herzeles, Herz is the Heart. Hercules was the man with a strong heart, brave-heart or similar
00:54 DaemonFC; I really laid into Sesame Street though.
00:54 starstreak_win311; helenah - daemonfc isn't as smart as loner, hes no programmer
00:54 Helenah; XRevan86: Oh
00:54 loner; it's only minor pronounciation and transcription errors, and those are anything but arbitrary
00:54 DaemonFC; The groomers took it over.
00:54 MinceR; the axe-men, led by Charles Francis Xavier
00:55 DaemonFC; <starstreak_win311> helenah - daemonfc isn't as smart as loner, hes no programmer
00:55 loner; and it's consistent with the related mythologies of that era
00:55 XRevan86; Helenah: loner's original language is German, as ye can see by "Alex" and "Herz".
00:55 Helenah; #techrights = bottle of weird peeps
00:55 DaemonFC; I can pick apart a Linux kernel or distribution. I've done it before.
00:55 Helenah; :D
00:55 XRevan86; * "Axel"
00:55 starstreak_win311; helenah: did you really run styleometry on daemonfc and loner?
00:55 DaemonFC; It doesn't really interest me now.
00:55 MinceR; bottle?
00:55 Helenah; starstreak_win311: Yes
00:55 Helenah; I see a difference now.
00:56 XRevan86; Helenah: So that's freak linguistics in action pretty much. I don't even have to do anything.
00:56 starstreak_win311; helenah: i already think daemonfc is a troll designed to make the channel look bad, i wouldn't be surprised if loner and daemonfc were the same person
00:56 DaemonFC; The only things loner seems to do regularly are (1) talk about how much he hates living in Germany and (2) how much anything added to Linux this century is awful.
00:56 loner; meaning, this, in Leipzig an oldest of ancient greek dialects was conserved, and destroyed
00:56 XRevan86; Helenah: And it's *impossible* to reason with him.
00:56 Helenah; XRevan86: Yep just like DaemonFC
00:56 DaemonFC; If you replace Germany with Hungary, you've got MinceR
00:56 Helenah; Then the monologues and unrelated shit just like DaemonFC
00:57 Helenah; Then some personality traits, just like DaemonFC
00:57 loner; some years ago, the Nebra Sky Disk was found close nearby Leipzig
00:57 Helenah; and a pile of other things just like DaemonFC
00:57 Helenah; Then there is a few differences that separate them apart.
00:57 Helenah; *are
00:57 XRevan86; That's a pretty generic comparison.
00:58 loner; i think the sky disk is the artifact of the Atlas myth, Herkules carrying the globe on his shoulders, which was the astrological artifact
00:58 loner; and i think, Atlantis wasn't drowning in the oceans, it was drowning in heavy snow-fall
00:58 Helenah; See?!
00:58 loner; which is common in northern europe
00:58 Helenah; starstreak_win311: So yeah
00:58 Helenah; I ran that
00:59 starstreak_win311; Helenah - good job
00:59 DaemonFC; It seems that "German reunification" just smashed together two entirely different cultures where the West German government proceeded to treat the former East Germans as a defeated colony.
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 138.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.40
00:59 loner; DaemonFC: those "west germans" are not germans
00:59 loner; this government is merely an "atlantic bridge" washington minion
00:59 MinceR; sounds like i'll have to start writing explanations for why every single word in english comes from hungarian
01:00 loner; established after 1945, to dictate the entire industry and news and media
01:00 XRevan86; DaemonFC: If loner is your test subject, then I'd like you to throw that judgement away.
01:00 Helenah; "I don't like the way English tastes on my tongue, that is why I am using sign language with you because you do not understand Punjabi"
01:01 DaemonFC; <XRevan86> DaemonFC: If loner is your test subject, then I'd like you to throw that judgement away.
01:01 DaemonFC; His government is incompetent and full of traitors, but apparently is the result of elections.
01:01 DaemonFC; I don't see how that's much worse than it is in most allegedly democratic countries these days.
01:02 DaemonFC; It's going to be an agonizing winter in much of Europe because of the natural gas problem.
01:03 DaemonFC; And Germany in particular had nuclear power and decommissioned it to buy gas from Putin.
01:03 DaemonFC; Which is idiotic and treacherous.
01:04 Helenah; FUCK THIS SHIT, LETS GET NUMB! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrOQC-zEog
01:04 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=_FrOQC-zEog
01:04 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | Pink Floyd - Comfortably numb - Invidious
01:04 DaemonFC; In fact, one of the first things the West German government did once it had expanded was shut down a perfectly good nuclear power plant which had already been built, probably at great cost, saying it "didn't meet safety requirements".
01:04 DaemonFC; It would be great to have that now, wouldn't it?
01:05 DaemonFC; How many homes could you have heated this winter with a nuclear power plant?
01:05 Helenah; DaemonFC: Would you rather be irradicated by a meltdown that could happen?
01:05 DaemonFC; And they have these same fucking stupid idiots like the Democrats.
01:05 Helenah; Regardless of cost, it's good that they have safety requirements in place for such facilities.
01:05 DaemonFC; Where they're like solar and wind.
01:05 DaemonFC; Which are not consistent or reliable.
01:05 Helenah; solar and wind is good though...
01:05 DaemonFC; Or cheap for that matter.
01:05 loner; ^ Greifswald nuclear facility, for example, although i do _not_ know if it met any safety requirements
01:05 Helenah; It isn't perfect
01:05 Helenah; but you gotta start somewhere with it...
01:06 DaemonFC; And nobody recycles solar cells or the wind turbine blades.
01:06 Helenah; I just agree with what David Bellamy says
01:06 DaemonFC; They just break them down and put them in a dump.
01:06 loner; too, after 1990, the entire semiconductor manufacturing was destroyed
01:06 DaemonFC; Like idiots!
01:06 DaemonFC; Because that's who puts solar and wind turbines in. An idiot!
01:06 Helenah; I just think you don't support solar and wind...
01:07 starstreak_win311; nuclear power is badass af
01:07 loner; solar and wind turbines cannot compensate for nuclear shutdown
01:07 DaemonFC; Nobody would put them in except for the government lemon socialism going on with anything deemed "clean", which goes to a landfill after generating expensive and unreliable power.
01:07 loner; that's a trivial fact
01:07 Helenah; and you'll use any bad thing that's happened with it to justify you not supporting it.
01:07 Helenah; There are cons to it yes
01:07 loner; solar and wind turbines aren't "renewable" nor "clean" either
01:07 Helenah; And there are cons to the people building these farms
01:07 DaemonFC; Even the people running Illinois aren't stupid enough to decommission our nuclear plants.
01:07 Helenah; loner: Yeah
01:07 Helenah; solar is toxic to make and recycle
01:07 Helenah; the panels
01:08 Helenah; that's a con
01:08 loner; wind turbines required a dozen ton of steel each, and solar panels require glas coating which is expensive to produce
01:08 Helenah; But I don't think we should be outright calling those technologies shitty.
01:08 starstreak_win311; loner and daemonfc agree, big surprise there
01:08 loner; however, worst of it, solar and wind turbines do not deliver anything anywhere close to what's advertised
01:08 loner; meaning, even if you want solar and wind turbines, it simply doesn't work as intended
01:09 Helenah; loner: You do realise that at any given time they aren't gonna give the same energy output, right?
01:09 loner; and the government wasted trillions of subsidizies for it
01:09 Helenah; and what is advertised would be a "maximum output"
01:09 starstreak_win311; trillions? lol
01:09 loner; Helenah: there is almost none of it, energy
01:09 Helenah; loner: Tell that to the facilities I've kept eyes on then.
01:09 starstreak_win311; confirmed! DaemonFC and loner are the same troll...
01:09 Helenah; Who are successfully powering their buildings using solar
01:09 loner; starstreak_win311: yes, the subsidizies were introduced year ~2000 and since then total "eco energy taxation" and "renewable susbidies" sum up to a trillion euros and more
01:10 Helenah; and even saving costs on their mains electricity
01:10 Helenah; It actually works...
01:10 DaemonFC; starstreak_win311 ran version on me.
01:10 Helenah; starstreak_win311: Told you
01:10 starstreak_win311; lol
01:10 DaemonFC; It's doubtful that loner is running Fedora 36 with HexChat.
01:10 Helenah; my brain automatically does these analysis
01:10 Helenah; starstreak_win311: ^
01:10 starstreak_win311; daemonfc - and?
01:11 Helenah; How do you think I figured out DaemonFC on day one being here?!
01:11 starstreak_win311; daemonfc ran version on me multiple times
01:11 Helenah; Cause my brain went into analysing mode with DaemonFC's behaviour fed into it.
01:11 starstreak_win311; oh i pissed off daemonfc/loner
01:11 Helenah; and when loner's behaviour was fed into it, it did a pattern match.
01:12 Helenah; And BAM
01:12 Helenah; I told you guys...
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01:12 Helenah; the findings
01:12 starstreak; daemonfc is mad: https://i.imgur.com/bDAiHfF.png
01:13 Helenah; Damn
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01:14 starstreak_win311; he now knows that im running 16-bit mIRC
01:14 Helenah; So what do you think of my abilities then?
01:14 Helenah; starstreak_win311: lol
01:15 starstreak_win311; :)
01:15 starstreak_win311; mIRC 5.31 16-bit :D
01:16 DaemonFC; You know that there are ways to make that version crash remotely, right?
01:16 DaemonFC; Or worse.
01:16 Helenah; "mIRC16 v5.31 K.Mardam-Bey"
01:17 Helenah; DaemonFC: Prove it.
01:17 starstreak_win311; yeah prove it
01:17 Helenah; Not with a monologue, that's not proof
01:17 Helenah; Do it
01:17 starstreak_win311; im using dosbox-x, so go for it
01:17 Helenah; Show how easy it is to crash starstreak_win311's client.
01:17 starstreak_win311; crash my vm
01:17 Helenah; lol
01:17 Helenah; Yeah, even better!
01:17 Helenah; Crash starstreak_win311's VM too if you can.
01:18 starstreak_win311; my dosbox-x is running MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 for workgroups
01:18 Helenah; DaemonFC: So when are you going to do it? Helloooooooo?!
01:19 starstreak_win311; im saying daemonfc and loner are the same and now he wants to maliciously crash me after doing version over 10 times
01:19 *Helenah knocks on DaemonFC's scalp
01:19 Helenah; nini
01:19 *Helenah kissies all
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01:20 starstreak_win311; kissed by a pretty girl <3
01:20 starstreak_win311; if i get a blue screen i'll legit take a screenshot to prove daemonfc is a badass
01:21 loner; anyway, another 4hours to re-compile my distro to remove all ALSA from it
01:21 starstreak_win311; lol loner
01:21 loner; that's how much time i got to waste now
01:21 loner; and then i'll test audio with OSS/libsdl1
01:21 starstreak_win311; loner - when you're not giving me a BSOD
01:22 loner; starstreak_win311: you could try with my client
01:22 loner; i tell you what it is: catgirl irc client statically linked, using bearssl-libtls
01:22 loner; so, you can skip the ctcp version query
01:23 loner; my irc client doesn't respond to this
01:23 starstreak_win311; fair enough
01:23 starstreak_win311; im not trying to haxx0r you
01:23 loner; two days ago i found another problem related to tor/proxychains, which made me think
01:23 starstreak_win311; loner is daemonfc and he is also matey
01:24 starstreak_win311; attack surface!
01:25 starstreak_win311; Helenah - can you run a styleometry search on the techrights irc logs to find out if DaemonFC and loner are also matey?
01:26 loner; i am not related to any of them, matey nor DaemonFC
01:27 starstreak_win311; someone who was all 3 would say the same thing
01:28 loner; anyway, the OSS/ALSA issue, that's what i was thinking recently, is another prime example of anti-competitive practices with linux-kernel involved
01:29 loner; because, OSS was GPLed iirc, nonetheless linux-kernel forked with ALSA
01:29 loner; and in userspace, ALSA got other issues, which are reason enough for me, to remove it there
01:29 starstreak_win311; loner, alsa,pulseaudio and pipewire are all free software
01:30 loner; /dev/snd and /proc/asound are still exposed, however i won't use these anymore in userspace
01:30 starstreak_win311; don't mess with crazy
01:30 starstreak_win311; thats something my ex-wife said
01:30 starstreak_win311; she was crazy too
01:33 XRevan86; starstreak: loner did say he's O.K. with not having sound, so I guess he's not losing much by removing everything that makes sound possible.
01:33 XRevan86; And by replacing it with something that's barely functioning.
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01:34 starstreak_win311; xrevan86 - alsa came out about 20 years ago, it must be a conspiracy
01:34 loner; i'll know soon enough, if libsdl1/oss suffice for some audio...
01:35 starstreak_win311; loner - why not run BSD?
01:35 loner; got no time currently to test the midi keyboard with timidity and oss... it should be possible too
01:35 loner; starstreak_win311: llvm/clang
01:35 loner; anyway, the other issue i stumbled upon with tor/proxychains was noteworthy too
01:36 loner; such as, when i wrapped w3m or links browser into proxychains (which does LD_PRELOAD), then w3m and links browser didn't terminate their process when quitting the programs
01:37 loner; since i removed proxychains and proxify with redsocks proxy... this problem disappeared
01:37 loner; meaning, with proxychains/LD_PRELOAD involved for tor proxy, links browser and w3m kept dozens of zombi processes when quitting the browsers
01:38 starstreak_win311; helenah - you're 100% correct
01:38 loner; and finally, this problem is solved too, since i disposed proxychains
01:39 loner; then i noticed, for the sake of it i wanted to statically link w3m and links browser... fail
01:39 loner; it's only lynx browser which could be linked statically
01:40 loner; a static w3m segfaulted, and links browser failed ruing configure phase, which i wasn't willing to debug yet
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01:40 loner; *during
01:40 loner; one day, i want to statically link all binaries with my distro
01:41 loner; another reason, to remove alsa-lib, which i had problems with to create a static libasound.a
01:42 XRevan86; Ariadne: Hi, if ye're here, just curious, do ye have any experience with OSSv{3,4}?
01:42 Helenah; starstreak_win311: Thank you and yes I can.
01:42 Helenah; I'm not sure why I'm awake.
01:44 XRevan86; For instance, does the OSS API have any limitations on what kind of sound it can accept? How well does the mixing work?
01:45 Helenah; Fuck sake my Naproxen gave me mottled skin on one of my thighs.... I think...
01:45 Helenah; Like I've had this mottled skin for 2 weeks now...
01:45 Helenah; lol
01:45 Helenah; and I'm blaming the Naproxen cause I googled around and one thing it could be that was said is NSAID use.
01:46 XRevan86; https://r.nf/r/linux/comments/8u0zg/pulse/c0afggs/ Stumbled upon this.
01:46 TR Bot; TL;DR PulseAudio is bad (horribile latency) we need OSSv4 - r/linux
01:46 XRevan86; 2009 stuff.
01:46 psydruid; ALSA shouldn't even exist, but they felt too good about themselves to ever drop it
01:46 XRevan86; > Combine that "simple" open()-API, with the poor hardware support, and no suspend/resume, OSS as a platform doesn't seem all that attractive at all.
01:46 XRevan86; No suspend/resume?
01:47 Helenah; lol
01:47 loner; i wouldn't need any more than a stereo playback channel, and some MIDI support
01:48 loner; and i had not removed ALSA, if there wasn't some other issues with it
01:48 XRevan86; "and some MIDI support" <- Uh
01:48 loner; i mean i remove ALSA support from userspace, with a kernel patch it should be simple to remove /proc/asound and /dev/snd nodes too
01:48 XRevan86; > 2009: ALSA also provides great MIDI support, complete with the ability to synchronize the digital output with the MIDI output. Doing this in OSS requires again, more contortions and difficulties.
01:48 XRevan86; From the same link.
01:49 loner; i don't intend to compare or compete with ALSA, i want to remove support for it
01:49 loner; static linking problems with alsa-lib, the symbol-versioning clutter inside alsa-lib...
01:50 loner; ALSA isn't portable among linux/bsd... away with it
01:50 XRevan86; loner: Well, for MIDI ye'll need JACKd I guess.
01:51 loner; XRevan86: i would have preferred to keep jack-audio, however jack1 (written in C) isn't supported anymore, and jack2 is written in c++
01:51 loner; away with it
01:51 XRevan86; loner: So away with MIDI.
01:51 Helenah; Dude....
01:51 loner; jackd was/is not necessary for MIDI
01:52 XRevan86; Yes, ALSA has an interface too.
01:52 Helenah; You're redundantly doing away with jack... you'll never see the C++ side of it unless you mess with the code...
01:52 loner; i don't accept the available compilers for c++
01:52 Helenah; It's just a compiler for a bit or a lot of C++ code...
01:52 loner; i have no problem if any of this is supported elsewhere, just saying i am not willing to
01:53 Helenah; What's your problem with the available C++ compilers?
01:53 loner; it's the entire toolchain i am having problems with, that many, i am not willing to accept neither GNU toolchain nor LLVM anymore
01:54 Helenah; Which problems?
01:54 Helenah; Damn why do people give such vague responses to questions that due to the vagueness don't even answer it?
01:54 loner; that many i don't know where to begin anymore to count them all
01:54 Helenah; Might as well just not talk at all...
01:54 Helenah; loner: So why not just say that then...
01:55 loner; the removal of GNU toolchain and LLVM too is a precaution, to identify the trouble-makers
01:55 Helenah; Damn I don't understand humans sometimes...
01:55 Helenah; loner: Ah
01:56 loner; meaning tcc-toolchain integration revealed that much dirt with GNU and LLVM, i got an overlay of 300 ebuilds already
01:56 Helenah; I think your problems with the compilers don't even exist or you don't even check to see if they apply to the particular thing you're needing to compile...
01:56 loner; and currently, i haven't got neither a libc nor a kernel anymore which would pass with tcc-toolchain
01:57 loner; that's two exceptions remaining, with libc i do need AS=binutils-as still, and with linux kernel there is a lot of work remaining to do
01:57 Helenah; Like I've used GNU/Linux since 2005, I've been compiling for YEARS now, I have never landed into a problem with a compiler...
01:57 Helenah; When a problem has occured it has always been something I've done or the developer of the software I'm compiling has done...
01:57 Helenah; Ie I haven't installed a dependancy.
01:57 loner; you don't know what you're talking about
01:58 Helenah; No, I do know what I'm talking about but you won't stop giving vague responses, you'll talk about this and you go "Oh the list of issues is too long to explain"
01:58 Helenah; ...
01:59 loner; currently, the worst show-stopper is this: there isn't any libc which could be assembled with AS=arm-tcc
01:59 loner; all libc contain alot of aarch32 asm which doesn't pass
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 143.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 111.23
01:59 Helenah; Now this is more like it, you are talking a bit more in-depth!
01:59 loner; in comparison to alsa-lib, which had issues with tcc-toolchain, libc cannot be removed/replaced with anything
01:59 loner; already told what some problems are with ALSA, and why i drop support for it
02:00 Helenah; hmm
02:01 loner; however, ALSA is just one example of many (my overlay contains 300 ebuilds already)
02:02 loner; nonetheless, given the entire sound-system of Linux depends on it... even when jackd/pulseaudio whatever are involved
02:02 loner; in the end, i do remove all support for ALSA
02:02 loner; discuss.
02:02 Helenah; loner: How come you and DaemonFC rarely talk at the same time yet you both share the same patterns and claim to not be DaemonFC?
02:02 Helenah; It's like someone kicking their ball at my window, I state fact to them, they got the ball in my hand and they still go "It wasn't me"
02:02 Helenah; starstreak_win311: ^
02:02 loner; Helenah, DaemonFC often talks about problems he has in Chicago/USA, i am nowhere near that place
02:03 loner; too i am talking about different topics than him
02:03 Helenah; s/my/their
02:03 loner; and i do reject him bashing mjg59_ regularly
02:03 Helenah; loner: I know he does and you talk about programming.
02:04 loner; DaemonFC does complain about UEFI and wants it to support booting linux, I am instead refusing UEFI entirely
02:04 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], daemonfc and loner(activelow) seem to be the same person
02:04 loner; i am not at least willing to accept any UEFI support anywhere inside kernel/boot-loader
02:04 loner; furthremore, i do not object to mjg59_ and FSF supporting UEFI, i only object to having UEFI imposed onto any system i am using
02:06 loner; while DaemonFC argues to block some javascript with any of the shitware browsers (malware execution runtime environments such as Chrome,Webkit,Mozilla)
02:06 loner; i did REMOVE all of those, i reject all of them, chrome,webkit,mozilla
02:07 DaemonFC; This new Mozilla is almost unrecognizable.
02:07 DaemonFC; When you give up and accept that the competitors are stealing your users, because they're paying you, and you've also outsourced all of your infrastructure to them....
02:08 loner; the most recent one of the hitlist of free shitware: ALSA
02:08 loner; and since when i remove all support for this, no need to discuss pulseaudio/pipewire/jack or whatever else
02:08 DaemonFC; The other major Web browsers are even worse than Firefox.
02:09 DaemonFC; GULAG jut dumped two more super cookie "features" into Chrome.
02:09 DaemonFC; Vivaldi turns most of this crap off.
02:10 starstreak_win311; vivaldi is commercial
02:10 loner; lynx browser is the only one which i could statically compile/link btw.
02:10 DaemonFC; Yet oddly the default install doesn't have as much shit to turn off if you don't want it to drive you crazy as Firefox does.
02:10 loner; static linking is just another acceptance criteria, an optional one... not at least w3m nor links passed that one
02:10 Helenah; starstreak_win311: Not schestowitz[TR]
02:11 DaemonFC; Firefox isn't commercial?
02:11 DaemonFC; Firefox runs commercials now.
02:11 DaemonFC; "Suggest" is a keylogger.
02:11 DaemonFC; "Pocket" is adware.
02:11 loner; Mozilla was funded with hundreds of millions of google shitcoins
02:11 loner; that's "non-profit" of theirs
02:12 Helenah; DaemonFC: Depends if it is logging keys or an entire input. :)
02:12 starstreak_win311; daemonfc also says shitcoins
02:12 DaemonFC; Mozilla dumped a lot of resources adding malware and adware for pennies, and then the bottom fell out of the advertising market.
02:12 Helenah; starstreak_win311: Told you
02:12 Helenah; I worked this out a while ago, said nothing.
02:12 DaemonFC; And most of their "partners" are laying off half or even all of the people who work there.
02:12 Helenah; It wasn't until now I pointed it out.
02:12 starstreak_win311; Helenah - i agree with you
02:13 starstreak_win311; DaemonFC and loner are the same person
02:13 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/08/chinese-propose-to-build-a-dam-with-a-distributed-3d-printer/
02:13 Helenah; schestowitz[TR] however is a different person.
02:13 TR Bot; Chinese propose to build a dam with a distributed 3D printer | Ars Technica
02:13 XRevan86; starstreak: They're not.
02:13 starstreak_win311; Helenah: i was trying to tell schestowitz that they were the same
02:13 Helenah; XRevan86: Got any proof? Or maybe they have the same personality! :D
02:13 Helenah; starstreak_win311: Ah
02:14 starstreak_win311; he runs the irc server, he can probably check the IP addresses
02:14 XRevan86; Helenah: DaemonFC is from the US, activelow is from Germany.
02:14 DaemonFC; All he'd get are VPN servers that lead back to nowhere.
02:14 XRevan86; DaemonFC is not even anonymous, he's Ryan.
02:14 Helenah; XRevan86: the person has different interests and identities for each persona
02:14 Helenah; I noticed this a while ago
02:14 Helenah; That doesn't mean they're not the same.
02:15 XRevan86; Helenah: I can read activelow like a book.
02:15 Helenah; Too many variables match while some don't, the ones I mentioned don't match.
02:15 *Helenah googles
02:15 *starstreak_win311 slaps loner around a bit with a large trout
02:16 AdmFubar; would you trust them with your passwords??? https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/lastpass-data-breach-source-code-stolen
02:16 TR Bot; LastPass Suffers Data Breach, Source Code Stolen
02:16 XRevan86; Helenah: And I've known both for long enough. DaemonFC for longer.
02:16 Helenah; I can not finding any definition called "activelow" which relates to what they are talking about XRevan86.
02:16 Helenah; *find
02:17 XRevan86; Helenah: activelow is the original nickname of loner in this channel.
02:17 Helenah; oh
02:17 loner; i never had any "original" nickname
02:17 starstreak_win311; DaemonFC still has not "hacked" my win311 vm
02:17 loner; in fact, i was completely absent from IRC everywhere for more than a decade
02:17 Helenah; My brain gets confused with all the 21st century definitions. :D
02:17 DaemonFC; The adware is actually costing Firefox money.
02:17 XRevan86; loner: Until when?
02:18 DaemonFC; They developed it and put it in and maintain it as it chases users out that Google would have kept paying for searches from.
02:18 loner; XRevan86: year 2005-2016 ... no IRC, none of it
02:18 DaemonFC; Brilliant strategy, really.
02:18 loner; year 2016 i joined with freenode, until they wrecked my account there
02:18 Helenah; loner: No, you had an original nickname, we all did.
02:18 XRevan86; loner: Obviously I meant the nickname with which ye have joined this channel.
02:18 XRevan86; the first time
02:19 loner; besides, neither freenode nor libera are, how should i say, i think there's operators of channels who shouldn't have any authority over
02:19 DaemonFC; I think I was on Freenode from like 2004 to right after the Crown Prince took it over.
02:19 Helenah; Freenode (pre-Libera at least) don't simply touch NickServ accounts, they only do if you break their terms of use.
02:19 loner; Mr. Lee got no word to say on Libera i think, doesn't change anything as far as i am concerned
02:19 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1564403348035588097
02:19 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile in Russia: state TV pundits warn that the delegation from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) may covertly place mines at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, but there is so much more happening in this clip, even some criticism of the gov't. Awkward moments."|nitter.it
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02:20 loner; i am still on OFTC though, they didn't wreck my account yet
02:20 DaemonFC; Andrew Lee declared that he was seceding from reality and so was Freenode.
02:20 DaemonFC; It's a digital sovereign state where laws don't apply.
02:20 Helenah; DaemonFC, loner, Please send a sentence at the same time.
02:21 Helenah; I am still getting matched patterns.
02:21 starstreak_win311; Helenah: +1
02:22 XRevan86; Both like to rant.
02:22 XRevan86; Doesn't make them the same person.
02:22 Helenah; XRevan86: It isn't merely the ranting, there are a LOT more variables than just ranting.
02:22 Helenah; I already stated all this.
02:22 Helenah; and what those variables are.
02:23 XRevan86; Helenah: What value does that have when they rant about completely different life experiences?
02:23 XRevan86; DaemonFC uses GNOME, activelow is thinking how to remove as many modules from Linux as possible.
02:23 Helenah; Anyone can create two different personas and rant about different things and even try to portray separate personalities from each other, that does not make them different people.
02:24 Helenah; even separate identities from each other.
02:24 loner; XRevan86: i try to salvage as much as possible; GNOME can't be.
02:24 Helenah; And if you would like me to, I will prove the doability of this tomorrow.
02:25 DaemonFC; If we're the same person, then we have dissociative identity disorder.
02:25 loner; i couldn't at least salvage GTK2 anymore, sadly
02:25 DaemonFC; He doesn't even use capitalization or punctuation the same way I do.
02:25 Helenah; DaemonFC: Then you might as well say I have DID too considering I've offered to prove the dual-persona thing.
02:25 loner; i mean, it's possible to retain GTK2/3, and i got a system-profile with this included archived
02:26 loner; however, i am not willing to compromise, with some technical details of GTK/GNOME
02:26 Helenah; DaemonFC: With the dual-persona thing, separate punctuality is possible
02:26 Helenah; separate personalities is possible
02:26 Helenah; separate interests is possible
02:26 Helenah; separate identities (including location) is possible
02:26 XRevan86; Helenah: Can one personality live in Illinois and the other somewhere in Germany?
02:26 DaemonFC; Okay, maybe one of my personas is mjg59_.
02:26 loner; currently, i am not at least willing to keep GNU-toolchain anymore (gcc/binutils)
02:26 Helenah; XRevan86: They can "claim" to.
02:26 DaemonFC; You can't prove that one of them isn't crazier than I am.
02:27 XRevan86; Helenah: DaemonFC talks a lot about his family, all American.
02:27 Helenah; I don't believe you are both mjg59_
02:27 XRevan86; activelow's origins are in Leipzig, Saxony.
02:27 Helenah; XRevan86: A dual-persona situation could produce that result.
02:27 loner; XRevan86: that's the place, too i am from another _time_
02:28 XRevan86; loner: Sure ye are.
02:28 loner; it's hurting my feelings that much, what they did to my homeland
02:28 loner; i wouldn't want to see anymore
02:28 Helenah; Well I did say I would prove it tomorrow so... choice is yours.
02:29 loner; too it's an insult, when it's still labeled as Leipzig, it's not the same place anymore, and not the same people either
02:30 XRevan86; https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Flag_of_Leipzig.svg Cool flag though.
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02:38 AdmFubar; or bots
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02:42 Helenah; AdmFubar: I sound like a bot?
02:42 starstreak; Helenah, the prettiest bot ever
02:42 Helenah; starstreak: I am! :D
02:42 Helenah; <3
02:43 starstreak; <3
02:44 AdmFubar; that is something a bot would say...
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02:45 XRevan86; psydruid: The insanity is left unchecked.
02:46 Helenah; AdmFubar: That is something a human would say.
02:46 XRevan86; I can keep calling out activelow but that has a limited effect. At least people recognise him for the nutjob that he is, wasn't always the case.
02:47 Helenah; XRevan86: Pattern matching.
02:49 XRevan86; Helenah: No, just reading what he writes occasionally.
02:50 Helenah; XRevan86: Who?
02:50 XRevan86; Helenah: activelow
02:50 Helenah; XRevan86: You read activelow's messages occasionally?
02:51 XRevan86; Helenah: Is that too strange?
02:51 Helenah; I was trying to interpret what you was meaning as you was very vague and I was struggling to understand. That is not strange nor is it strange.
02:53 XRevan86; Helenah: The context is insanity in this channel, activelow is the most insane person here, and whose case is the main part of the discussion.
02:54 Helenah; XRevan86: Yes that is correct.
02:54 Helenah; Nini.
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 92.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 107.56
03:00 XRevan86; DaemonFC derives his judgement from his life experiences, so there's always attachment to reality, misjudged or not.
03:00 XRevan86; activelow's connection to reality is very thin if present at all.
03:02 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 254029 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42350 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 3 weeks 4 days ago
03:02 XRevan86; What he sees as the past is complete fiction and his activities are making Don Quijote blush.
03:03 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 11 GB TotalOut: 3.5 GB
03:04 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:04 XRevan86; Helenah: They do have one thing in common: an egocentric worldview.
03:06 Helenah; Why am I awake?
03:06 XRevan86; But in one's case it's like he's planning to write an autobiography, and for some reason he's drafting it here, and in another's it means that everything in this world is defined through German.
03:07 XRevan86; and that everything that doesn't fulfill his weird needs is made by the enemy
03:07 Helenah; Ah
03:07 Helenah; Noticed that.
03:07 Helenah; Ages ago
03:08 XRevan86; ~Working title: Life of Ryan~
03:08 loner; XRevan86: the language isn't spoken anymore
03:08 loner; what you're referring to with german must be something else
03:09 XRevan86; loner: The language that has the word "Herz" in it.
03:09 DaemonFC; In some ways I am a horrible person.
03:10 DaemonFC; When I see a homeless person walking towards my car in the morning, I don't stop and think about it too much.
03:10 DaemonFC; I say to myself, "nope nope nope" and if the light doesn't change fast enough, I turn right and then zag later to get where I'm going.
03:11 DaemonFC; I suppose it's not a horrible thing to do from one angle of it. Psychologically, it's better to err on the side of caution, even when other people might think you're kind of a dick.
03:12 DaemonFC; When you see a stick that looks like a deadly snake, you don't stop and stare at it, a normal person jumps out of the way. Usually, jumping out of the way is a safer response than doing nothing and taking more time to assess the situation.
03:12 DaemonFC; If it is a snake, you're dead. So even if 1-2 out of 100 times, it's a snake, and 98 or 99, it's a stick, you want to be out of the way when it's a snake.
03:13 DaemonFC; For the same reason, I hurry to get away from the pandhandlers and bums. 99 times they just want a dollar and will go away in any event.
03:13 DaemonFC; 1 in 100 times, they pull a gun on you and order you out of the car.
03:13 DaemonFC; Do you want to be a dick or do you want to at least be alive 100/100 times?
03:14 XRevan86; DaemonFC: If ye're really reflecting on this, find out where the nearest shelters are and help the homeless find their way there, maybe with a booklet.
03:14 DaemonFC; What am I going to do about homelessness? If I give them a dollar, they'll still be homeless. They'll ask everyone else they come across for a dollar, and then they'll spend the dollars at a liquor store or something.
03:15 DaemonFC; If I give them all my dollars, I have no dollars and I become homeless and there's still as many homeless as if I kept all my dollars.
03:15 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Again, what ye have and the homeless typically don't is access to information, that can help more.
03:15 DaemonFC; If I vote, then no matter how the election goes, the politicians will do the same thing. Not take care of the homeless and give the cops plenty of money to beat them up and terrorize them and burn their stuff.
03:15 DaemonFC; The world sucks. I know.
03:16 DaemonFC; <XRevan86> DaemonFC: Again, what ye have and the homeless typically don't is access to information, that can help more.
03:17 DaemonFC; Yeah, the politicians want most people in danger of becoming homeless so all they can do is spend all their time trying not to become homeless.
03:17 DaemonFC; The Democrats are worse though.
03:17 *XRevan86 don't know how that's connected.
03:17 DaemonFC; They jack up taxes and the cost of living, and they in turn have the most homeless.
03:18 Helenah; Why would the cops beat up a homeless person and burn their stuff? Are you sure that is not a "over-exaggeration"?
03:18 XRevan86; DaemonFC: There could be people who help homeless people, if ye want, ye can help them find each other.
03:18 XRevan86; All I'm saying.
03:19 Helenah; Or you can talk to them, maybe even hand them a crisis line to call.
03:19 Helenah; You don't have to put them up in a bedroom or on your couch.
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03:20 Helenah; There are lots of ways you can help homeless people that are not expensive to yourself.
03:20 Helenah; Even tell them a joke!
03:21 Helenah; It will be a laugh and giggle to them, cheer them up after the crap they have gone through living on the harsh streets.
03:22 Helenah; Sometimes just merely saying something is helpful.
03:22 starstreak; daemonfc is a republican so he hates everyone who isn't
03:22 Helenah; Even if it doesn't fix a root problem.
03:22 XRevan86; starstreak: He actually isn't.
03:22 XRevan86; But I won't attempt to describe what he is.
03:23 Helenah; XRevan86: An Autobiography writer?
03:23 XRevan86; Helenah: Politically :)
03:23 Helenah; A monologue producer?
03:23 Helenah; lol
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03:56 XRevan86; loner: Ye know, ye should study another language, like Spanish.
03:58 Helenah; loner: Or maybe even Klingonese :3
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 110.11
04:00 XRevan86; Helenah: No, he needs to learn a real language, and a non-Germanic one.
04:01 XRevan86; To jog his ability to learn, push it in the right direction away from self-learning self-reinforcing fantasies.
04:02 XRevan86; Learning a language is one way to do that.
04:05 DaemonFC; <starstreak> daemonfc is a republican so he hates everyone who isn't
04:05 DaemonFC; Who said that?
04:06 DaemonFC; Ever since Lyndon B. Satan's war on poverty, the poverty rate has stayed pretty much the same and the government has spent trillions on bullshit.
04:07 DaemonFC; I was talking with my mom just this evening about a woman she works with who is pregnant every year, and the guy is always in jail when she delivers the baby.
04:08 DaemonFC; And she only makes $15 an hour and bought a house and there's 3 kids and a 4th on the way. I told her, "Yeah, because while you're struggling to pay rent, all she has to do is breed and every time she pops out another unit, the government gives her another $10,000 in free shit every year, not counting the Head Start and public schools.".
04:08 DaemonFC; Why would you stop?
04:09 DaemonFC; With all of these open ended entitlement programs, every time she breeds, her quality of life goes up while everyone struggling to support her gets it worse each year.
04:09 loner; XRevan86: neither the Roman Catholic nor the Orthodox church need me to learn their language
04:09 loner; i leave it to them to falsify history and scripture
04:09 DaemonFC; They ought to cut everyone on welfare off at two and force them to take sterilization or a birth control shot to get their next 3 months of welfare.
04:11 XRevan86; loner: That's your answer to "learn any new language"?
04:12 DaemonFC; She's not even married to the guy, he just keeps getting her pregnant and going back to jail.
04:12 DaemonFC; Why are women attracted to these fucking losers?
04:12 Helenah; XRevan86: That is human beings for you.
04:12 XRevan86; loner: I did not mean Latin nor Greek, I'd rather advise against them in your case.
04:12 DaemonFC; Like every woman ever.
04:12 loner; spanish is a latin language
04:13 loner; however, why would i learn that?
04:13 DaemonFC; "I want a man who beats me and leaves me with another kid every time he goes to prison! HERRRR DERRR DOY!" -women
04:13 loner; XRevan86: i did learn Russian in school, and noone to talk to in 20years
04:13 loner; so what
04:13 DaemonFC; Not all of them, but definitely enough to make you go "Hmmm.".
04:13 Helenah; A picture for you guys. https://i.imgur.com/P1dfgGS.jpg
04:14 loner; and English is bad enough to erode terminology and soul of any language
04:14 XRevan86; loner: Find a language that can be used that is not Germanic.
04:15 XRevan86; loner: The goal is to tickle your brain, but use of language is the ultimate learning experience.
04:15 Helenah; I don't see any erosion with English, the dictionary hasn't been redefined.
04:16 Helenah; Nobody has gotten kids to do whatever they want with the English dictionary.
04:16 Helenah; You mean people use terminology wrong?
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04:18 loner; Helenah: i mean English lost too much of it's original heritage already
04:19 Helenah; Ah
04:19 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Calloway#Legal_troubles,_health_problems_and_final_years_on_Sesame_Street
04:19 TR Bot; Northern Calloway - Wikipedia
04:19 DaemonFC; Good god.
04:19 loner; Dutch/German/Scandinavian and too Russian languages retained some of it, which is absent in English
04:19 Helenah; All languages and former languages are on a path of evolvution.
04:19 loner; absent, or deformed
04:19 DaemonFC; "On the morning of September 19, 1980, Calloway was arrested in Nashville, Tennessee. He had been a guest in the home of Mary Stagaman, marketing director of the Tennessee Performing Arts Center, after performing there on the 13th. Calloway beat Stagaman with an iron, causing serious head and rib injuries.[8] He then fled into the suburbs of Nashville, where he smashed a plate glass window and storm door at one house and did extensive damage to
04:19 DaemonFC; the interior of another, destroying the family's collection of fine crystal, smashing a television set, and breaking light bulbs with his bare hands.
04:19 DaemonFC; He also stole a backpack from a first grader, smashed a windshield with a rock, and stole a bag of herbicide from elderly resident Douglas Wright. Calloway spilled it on his body and was rolling on the ground and running around, at which point Wright attempted to hold Calloway at gunpoint and fired a warning shot at him, causing Calloway to dive to the ground and scream that he was shot. He then jumped up and washed his hands and face in the
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04:20 DaemonFC; Wrights' birdbath before fleeing the scene, where witnesses reported him wearing only a Superman T-shirt. He was arrested after hiding out in a couple's garage, screaming, "Help! I'm David from Sesame Street and they're trying to kill me!"[9][10][11] The actor was taken to a mental hospital for examination. These events were not publicized, and Calloway was allowed to continue appearing on the show as he sought help."
04:20 Helenah; Dude...
04:20 Helenah; Yo
04:20 Helenah; People are talking...
04:20 XRevan86; If only English had grammatical gender, right?
04:21 DaemonFC; Yeah, Mr. GULAG also "patches" that out of Spanish I'm sure.
04:21 DaemonFC; By putting an x at the end.
04:22 Helenah; Gender pronouns, there was some person I knew
04:22 Helenah; who idk why
04:23 Helenah; assigned every damn pronoun under the sun to them
04:23 Helenah; and so it got too confusing when addressing them
04:23 Helenah; And would get mad at me each time I made mistakes so I fell out with them.
04:23 XRevan86; (pronouns are a different thing from grammatical gender)
04:23 Helenah; I don't deserve shit just from making an accidental mistake...
04:23 Helenah; XRevan86: I know
04:23 Helenah; lol
04:24 Helenah; I was just expressing something seems as we're onto identifying genders with language.
04:24 Helenah; I said that wrong but okies
04:24 XRevan86; Ironically, pronouns are a generalised way of addressing someone, but some people treat it as a second name.
04:25 Helenah; "second name", what?!
04:25 Helenah; o.O
04:25 Helenah; How is that possible?
04:25 Helenah; Helena She
04:25 Helenah; Hi I'm Helena She
04:25 Helenah; o.O
04:25 Helenah; Just doesn't seem right...
04:25 Helenah; lol
04:25 XRevan86; Helenah: I mean a specific label of a person.
04:25 Helenah; oh
04:25 Helenah; Thought still confusing me.
04:25 XRevan86; A unique marker.
04:25 TR News; "I often wished to be able to define different boot entries for different uses of my computer, be it for separating professional and personal use, testing kernels or using special hardware. NixOS has a unique feature that solves this problem in a clever way NixOS specialisations." gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/nixos-specialisations.gmi
04:25 *Helenah itches
04:26 Helenah; Like...
04:26 Helenah; Hi, my pronoun is foo but foo is something not even documented?
04:27 TR News; The Sandman - as a Fan gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/re:_the_sandman_-_as_a_fan.gmi
04:27 Helenah; You see that would make me make accidental mistakes in addressing a person...
04:27 loner; 'After assimilation, a drone's race and gender become "irrelevant".'
04:27 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D338.jpg
04:27 Helenah; But to get attacked for it I don't appreciate.
04:27 TR News; "I'm still working on the project to develop a Mecrisp Stellaris driver for the IC module on the Raspberry Pi Pico. (To be more precise, the microcontroller has two IC modules.)" gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/tech/20220829-0.gmi
04:28 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D688.jpg
04:28 TR News; "After navigating (or should I say delightfully wandering) in Gemini space, I decided to open this capsule to all travelers !" gemini://cebalrai.smol.pub/001-it-001-stabilizing-engines
04:29 Helenah; XRevan86: This person was doing it
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04:29 Helenah; Like one of the pronouns is "moo"
04:29 Helenah; moos and mooself
04:29 Helenah; Actually that's documented
04:29 Helenah; https://pronouny.xyz/pronouns/5ed98d7288ee54001537038f
04:29 TR Bot; pronouns
04:29 Helenah; Then another friend who identifies as a cow uses those too.
04:29 XRevan86; Helenah: Now the question is, how is that functionally distinct from a name?
04:30 Helenah; Well a name is an identifier for an individual while a pronoun is like er....... idk how to describe it but it's not an identifier for an individual.
04:31 XRevan86; Helenah: But if a pronoun is this specific, how is it not identifying the individual?
04:31 schestowitz[TR]; humours is good
04:31 Helenah; XRevan86: Well it is in a way
04:31 schestowitz[TR]; but turning practical jokes into a new reality is not
04:31 schestowitz[TR]; *humour
04:31 Helenah; For example calling someone "she" says expresses the gender you think they are.
04:31 Helenah; them is gender neutral
04:31 Helenah; or used when talking of a group
04:31 schestowitz[TR]; them is plural
04:32 Helenah; yes
04:32 Helenah; It is
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; it makes languages more concise
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; some languages are gendered
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; and some contain both plural and gander
04:32 XRevan86; Helenah: But functionally pronouns are about addressing someone without knowing the name.
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; so one word can contain tense, gender, quantity
04:32 Helenah; XRevan86: Yes
04:33 XRevan86; Or as a shorter way to address.
04:33 Helenah; yeh
04:33 schestowitz[TR]; german combines many words as one
04:33 XRevan86; Although using a pronoun when someone is next to one can be considered impolite.
04:33 Helenah; And Dutch
04:33 XRevan86; Third person one that is.
04:34 Helenah; I still do it though XRevan86
04:34 Helenah; Because of my mental health
04:34 Helenah; It can be difficult to erm...
04:34 Helenah; socialise when I'm battling against things like selective mutism
04:34 Helenah; and other anxiety stuff
04:34 Helenah; and so instead of saying "Paul is playing with a ball" I'd instead say "He is playing with a ball" despite being next to him.
04:35 Helenah; One can consider something in polite, doesn't mean impoliteness is what it is, that's how it's perceived.
04:35 Helenah; I am not being impolite, I am socialising to the best I can while struggling with mental related stuff and I'm a very polite person.
04:35 Helenah; according to my gf anyway
04:36 XRevan86; Anyway, literally no person in existence is going to ask a question "so who is moo?" because knowing that pronoun implies acquaintance.
04:36 Helenah; Which I agree on
04:36 XRevan86; May as well know the whole name.
04:37 Helenah; Except this person with (not joking here) a thousand pronouns...
04:37 Helenah; would change them per day
04:37 Helenah; then get mad at me, really grill me for it, when I kept slipping up daily...
04:37 Helenah; Really trying to enforce it, police me with it...
04:37 Helenah; Now that's not the sort of person I want to be around.
04:37 Helenah; And I'm not Anti-LGBT either
04:38 Helenah; I just don't want shit for no good reason...
04:38 XRevan86; So acquaintance is not even enough. Which is an even higher bar than with the actual name. That's the opposite of what pronouns are for.
04:38 Helenah; Agreed
04:38 Helenah; but try telling that to these people...
04:38 Helenah; Seriously, this person would get mad if I tried explaining my mistakes...
04:38 Helenah; Felt silenced...
04:39 Helenah; o.o
04:39 schestowitz[TR]; go-went-gone-going: tense
04:39 Helenah; It's like imagine if every day "The" was a different words, for example if one day it is "Cheese" and another day it is "Hamster" and so on
04:39 schestowitz[TR]; he/they/she=gender and plurality
04:39 Helenah; and so you got to correct your language daily
04:39 Helenah; You would STRUGGLE man!
04:39 schestowitz[TR]; languages have a reason for being how they are
04:40 schestowitz[TR]; some peopple are offended by linguistics
04:40 schestowitz[TR]; wonder what chmsky has to say about abuse of such words and attack on language
04:40 schestowitz[TR]; this is his main (original) expertise
04:40 XRevan86; Languages can be molded but that should be done with respect to function.
04:40 Helenah; "offended" well good luck not using linguistics... soon struggle in the world...
04:41 Helenah; XRevan86: Agreed
04:41 Helenah; totally
04:41 Helenah; But...
04:41 schestowitz[TR]; chinese/mandarin has written concision
04:41 XRevan86; If that rule of thumb is not applied, that will lead to tension and misery.
04:41 Helenah; I would rather break the English language than have someone shout at me and chew my arms off.
04:41 schestowitz[TR]; some languages combine words and parts of words to make them concise
04:41 schestowitz[TR]; tense, gender, quantity
04:41 schestowitz[TR]; some people want to make languages worse
04:42 schestowitz[TR]; and less fuctional
04:42 schestowitz[TR]; because of lousy reasons
04:42 schestowitz[TR]; and that harms communication
04:42 Helenah; yep
04:42 XRevan86; Helenah: I think the right word is not "LGBT" but "mental" in this case.
04:42 Helenah; oh
04:42 Helenah; Well it is mental yes
04:43 Helenah; I mean it isn't normal behaviour to fly around hostility because someone addressed you incorrectly by accident.
04:43 Helenah; I mean if someone like kept calling me say Sarah each day I would eventually have something to say but if it's just a damn slip up then why would I give a damn...
04:44 XRevan86; Helenah: Your job is to assess if that person is a danger to society if they're aggressive.
04:44 Helenah; I wouldn't shout either
04:44 Helenah; I'd be calm...
04:44 Helenah; XRevan86: Yep
04:44 Helenah; incase it needs the police
04:44 Helenah; I was taught something but it applies to anywhere really
04:44 XRevan86; or pills
04:45 Helenah; "Who is responsible in the work place? Everyone"
04:45 Helenah; That's you, your employees, your manager...
04:45 schestowitz[TR]; technically you mighe be able to call RMS "Dick Stallman"
04:45 Helenah; The idea is like lets say an engineering workshop you should look around to make sure colleagues are fine
04:45 XRevan86; schestowitz: Yes.
04:45 Helenah; someone cuts their arm off you take responsibility by phoning ambulance and informing manager
04:45 Helenah; who also has to take responsibility
04:46 Helenah; if you know what I mean
04:46 Helenah; It applies outside in public too
04:46 XRevan86; Helenah: "act responsibly" != "take responsibility" though.
04:47 Helenah; True
04:47 Helenah; Good point
04:47 Helenah; that's was I mean
04:47 Helenah; I wanted to put someones cat down
04:48 Helenah; Its brain was hanging out and it was in the middle of the road still alive
04:48 Helenah; I wanted to suffocate it
04:48 Helenah; my gf was like "No, leave it, you don't want to be blamed for this by the owner"
04:48 Helenah; I cried... walking away...
04:48 Helenah; I just didn't wanna leave a creature suffering like that
04:48 Helenah; It haunts me still to this day that I left that cat in sufference... :/
04:49 TR News; Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 750 https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/08/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-750/ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/08/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-750/
04:49 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 750
04:49 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 750
04:49 TR News; FIPS certified vs compliant: whats safer? https://ubuntu.com//blog/fips-certified-vs-compliant-whats-safer
04:49 TR Bot; certified vs compliant: whats safer? | Ubuntu
04:50 XRevan86; Helenah: I don't know if I have an answer to whether death is better than dying in suffering. Too philosophical.
04:51 Helenah; The cat would've been in peace, XRevan86
04:51 Helenah; Oh god I'm tearing...
04:51 Helenah; Told you...
04:51 XRevan86; Helenah: No, it wouldn't be anything.
04:51 Helenah; XRevan86: Yep correct
04:52 Helenah; I wanted the cat to be nothing because there was no coming back from the injury...
04:52 Helenah; I wanted it to be curtains closed.
04:53 Helenah; XRevan86: I'm not a spiritual person
04:53 XRevan86; Helenah: Same.
04:53 Helenah; I don't believe in life after death, I don't believe there is anything once you die
04:53 Helenah; I believe it simply is .....
04:53 Helenah; ..... menaing void
04:53 Helenah; NOTHING
04:53 Helenah; *meaning
04:53 Helenah; Death is not something easy for me to describe...
04:53 XRevan86; I like to have answers, but life in any capacity and death are fundamentally incomparable.
04:53 Helenah; and I wish I had words for it...
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04:54 Helenah; Death = null to ones conscience which is no longer...
04:55 TR News; "Dragino LoRa/LoRaWAN gateway support MQTT forwarding." http://wiki.dragino.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/MQTT%20Forward%20Instruction/ |
04:55 TR Bot; MQTT Forward Instruction - DRAGINO
04:55 Helenah; conscience is simply brain cells.
04:55 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.gmi
04:55 Helenah; but they have to be alive
04:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
04:55 XRevan86; Technically life can continue without conscience, so it's not just that.
04:55 Helenah; Yes yes
04:55 Helenah; I know
04:55 Helenah; but like...
04:55 Helenah; I wasn't meaning the FULL brain
04:55 TR News; "Last week I ran out of ROM space in a work project." https://subethasoftware.com/2022/08/26/when-theres-not-enough-room-for-sprintf/ |
04:55 TR Bot; When theres not enough room for sprintf | Sub-Etha Software
04:56 Helenah; Like you can have just a brain stem, it's enough to keep your organs active
04:56 TR News; "My approach is very Web 1.0. For each feed I want to filter, I create a CGI script on my server." https://leancrew.com/all-this/2022/08/filtering-my-rss-reading/ |
04:56 TR Bot; Filtering my RSS reading - All this
04:56 Helenah; But there is no person inside that head
04:57 Helenah; It's difficult to like talk about this with the right words and all that.
04:57 TR News; "Intermittently failing (or passing) tests are a nuisance." http://blog.rareschool.com/2022/08/how-to-write-reliable-tests-for-python.html |
04:57 TR Bot; RAREblog: How to write reliable tests for Python MQTT applications
04:57 TR News; "In this mini workshop we will be creating a device in Python that can be controlled using MQTT." http://www.steves-internet-guide.com/controlling-devices-mqtt-python/ |
04:57 TR Bot; Controlling Devices Using MQTT and Python
04:57 XRevan86; Helenah: Also because the concept of a person is also loose.
04:58 schestowitz[TR]; personal= animal of human type
04:58 schestowitz[TR]; *person
04:58 schestowitz[TR]; no human can survive without a brain
04:59 Helenah; Well when I read on Personhood, any being which is capable of big responsibilities such as owning property, etc, etc, using own initiative on big things, etc, etc can be a person
04:59 schestowitz[TR]; one living human -> one person
04:59 XRevan86; schestowitz: Nothing in this definition excludes vegetables.
04:59 Helenah; but the law defines which species have a right to personhood
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.56 k/sec., IPFS upstream 111.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 103.00
04:59 Helenah; and that's humans in all parts of the world
04:59 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: : vegetables if you mean humans who cannot react are still persons
04:59 Helenah; Like if orangutans were to be classified as people then you would have to write that in law
04:59 DaemonFC; I was reading about Mir.
04:59 Helenah; DaemonFC: Please don't flood!!!
04:59 schestowitz[TR]; they have a brain , it just doesn't function very well
05:00 Helenah; Just before you do...
05:00 DaemonFC; Apparently, Garrett didn't waste any time in attacking it once he say it was under the GPL 3.
05:00 Helenah; It's fuckin' annoying when I'm trying to talk to people...
05:00 DaemonFC; *saw
05:00 DaemonFC; About the only company that would have made a big problem for was possibly Nvidia.
05:01 TR News; "Shootings spiked during the pandemic." https://text.npr.org/1118786281 | Source: NPR
05:01 TR Bot; Shootings spiked during the pandemic. The spike now looks like a 'new normal'
05:01 TR News; "The festival, known as Elote Azul Korhupo Anapu, aims to highlight the states botanical wealth" https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/blue-corn-festival-michoacan/ | Source: Mexico News Daily
05:01 TR Bot; Blue corn festival celebrates botanical wealth of Michoacn
05:01 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Vegetables are not people in accordance to the definition of personhood.
05:01 Helenah; But...
05:02 Helenah; All humans are automatically defined as people regardless of the actual meaning of the term.
05:02 DaemonFC; "civil unrest" = losers looting and setting working peoples cars on fire while the Democrats sent the National Guard to direct traffic.
05:02 TR News; Windows TCO https://www.vinchin.com/en/news/french-hospital-hit-with-ransomware-attack-hackers-asked-for-10m.html |
05:02 TR Bot; Hospital Hit with Ransomware Attack, Hackers Asked for $10m - Vinchin
05:02 Helenah; Maybe peoples cars need setting on fire?
05:02 XRevan86; Helenah: Anyway, my original point is that I don't know if suffering is worse than death, it may seem this way both to the dying and to the observer, and it is empathetic to do so, but neither party has experienced death (yet), so they do so without reference.
05:02 Helenah; Driving cars around is selfish.
05:02 DaemonFC; The National Guard should have done what they used to.
05:02 DaemonFC; Declared a curfew and shot anyone engaged in unlawful rioting.
05:03 TR News; "For now there is little sign of a margin squeeze." https://www.economist.com/business/2022/08/29/the-cloud-computing-giants-are-vying-to-protect-their-fat-profits | Source: The Economist
05:03 TR Bot; cloud computing giants are vying to protect their fat profits | The Economist
05:03 Helenah; XRevan86: I've experienced death! Yep, I really did! :D In a dream I once had...
05:03 XRevan86; Helenah: But empathy is typically a good guide, so being cynical is also not the answer.
05:03 Helenah; The dream is true but the death part... I haven't really experienced. :D
05:03 DaemonFC; The reason the Democrats can't have that is that it would be the biggest and most sudden drop in violent crime in Chicago history.
05:03 Helenah; XRevan86: hmm
05:03 DaemonFC; And people would demand to have the National Guard in Chicago permanently.
05:03 TR News; Windows TCO https://news.err.ee/1608698512/minister-friday-s-cyberattack-on-private-media-part-of-consistent-pattern | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
05:03 TR Bot; Minister: Friday's cyberattack on private media part of consistent pattern | News | ERR
05:04 TR News; [Old] "Specifically, the Nokia report shows the explosive growth of IoT botnets" https://www.nokia.com/blog/the-rise-of-botnet-ddos/ | Source: Nokia
05:04 Helenah; Anyway yes so people who drive cars are selfish and so are the people who have made them have to resort to that in the first place.
05:04 Helenah; It's annoying when I'm out and about at rush hour and most cars going to or from work are single person (the driver)
05:04 Helenah; and you hear most are on fossil fuels
05:05 DaemonFC; Who cares?
05:05 Helenah; and you're like "WTF, you are all selfish not giving a crap about the environment just for money"
05:05 Helenah; DaemonFC: You don't care. :)
05:05 DaemonFC; Environmentalists are selfish.
05:05 TR News; [Old] "In our previous blog post we covered the history of DDoS attacks and our A10 Networks DDoS Threat Report" https://www.a10networks.com/blog/the-rise-of-botnet-and-ddos-attacks/ |
05:05 DaemonFC; -George Carlin
05:05 Helenah; But don't speak for everyone else.
05:05 XRevan86; Helenah: Oh but there's a catch: "experience death" is an oxymoron, as death itself is by definition inexperienceable.
05:05 Helenah; XRevan86: Yep
05:05 schestowitz[TR]; Carlin's skit onn this is problematic
05:05 schestowitz[TR]; for a whole lot of reason
05:05 Helenah; I was just joking around too.
05:05 schestowitz[TR]; mocking conservation too
05:06 Helenah; DaemonFC: Don't call me selfish for respecting the fuckin environment
05:06 Helenah; What is wrong with you man?
05:06 schestowitz[TR]; he is quoting carlin
05:06 Helenah; You seriously lost the plot...
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05:06 DaemonFC; There was this thing called the Church of Euthanasia.
05:06 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Which means he clearly believes it...
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05:06 Helenah; So therefore is indirectly calling me selfish...
05:06 DaemonFC; "Save the planet, kill yourself."
05:06 DaemonFC; They don't actually demand people kill themselves.
05:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4
05:07 TR Bot; George Carlin on The Environment - Invidious
05:07 DaemonFC; The only commandment is not to reproduce.
05:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uHgJKrmbYfg
05:07 TR Bot; "The Planet Is Fine..." by George Carlin - Invidious
05:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
05:07 TR Bot; George Carlin - Saving the Planet - Invidious
05:07 TR News; "Based on the characteristics of this attack, it appears that the Mantis DDoS botnet that Cloudflare detailed last month might have been responsible for the new record-setting incident as well" https://www.securityweek.com/google-blocks-record-setting-ddos-attack-peaked-46-million-rps | Source: Security Week
05:07 TR Bot; Blocks Record-Setting DDoS Attack That Peaked at 46 Million RPS | SecurityWeek.Com
05:07 TR News; "Compiled by Clarotys research team Team82, the State of XIoT Security Report" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/iot-vulnerability-disclosures-grew-57-from-2h-2021-to-1h-2022-report-202208281515.html | Source: IT Wire
05:07 TR Bot; - IoT vulnerability disclosures grew 57% from 2H 2021 to 1H 2022: report
05:07 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Euthanasia
05:07 TR Bot; Church of Euthanasia - Wikipedia
05:07 Helenah; How can the same person have a video on saving the planet while also one on saying the planet is fine? If it's fine then nothing to be saved, the guy is contradictive...
05:07 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> They don't actually demand people kill themselves.
05:08 schestowitz[TR]; not reproducing is a step in that direction
05:08 Helenah; DaemonFC: CrystalMath is a member of that.
05:08 schestowitz[TR]; without having to kill anyone
05:08 Helenah; He signed a paper to never reproduce.
05:08 schestowitz[TR]; it is not enforceable
05:09 TR News; "On Thursday, FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel publicly released pertinent letters that were submitted by Americas top 15 mobile telephone carriers" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/08/advocacy-groups-applaud-fcc-releasing-mobile-data-collection-information/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
05:09 TR Bot; Advocacy Groups Applaud FCC Releasing Mobile Data Collection Information : Broadband Breakfast
05:09 TR News; "The survey also found that for Australians keeping their personal information safe on the [Internet] is the key to happiness online." https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/over-third-of-australians-would-delete-themselves-from-internet-if-they-could-study.html | Source: IT Wire
05:09 TR Bot; - Over third of Australians would delete themselves from Internet if they could: study
05:09 Helenah; Humanity commiting genecide as a species ain't a solution, humanity learning from the wrongs of their past and creating a more right future is the solution.
05:09 schestowitz[TR]; sorry to tell you,
05:09 schestowitz[TR]; therte is not much future left for humans
05:09 schestowitz[TR]; we've likely passed that point
05:10 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: That's what they all say! with no proof...
05:10 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, there were only 2 billion of us just over half a century ago
05:10 Helenah; You are not a time traveler and can't go into the future to see if humanity is better or worse...
05:10 schestowitz[TR]; no need
05:10 schestowitz[TR]; I look at the present
05:10 Helenah; You can only "predict"
05:10 schestowitz[TR]; go to the local supermarket
05:10 schestowitz[TR]; check prices
05:10 schestowitz[TR]; people compete over basic resources, even foods
05:11 schestowitz[TR]; like eggs and milk
05:11 schestowitz[TR]; in some countries people starve already
05:11 Helenah; I'm aware of current affairs but...
05:11 Helenah; That doesn't mean in 500 years time humanity won't have sorted itself out...
05:11 DaemonFC; Yeah, while Biden and Trump dole out trillions to idiot moochers and parasites.
05:12 Helenah; And you can't predict 500 years into the future...
05:12 DaemonFC; People won't be around in 500 years.
05:12 TR News; "Survival International said his abandoned campsites left clues to his lifestyle" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/28/americas/brazil-indigenous-man-in-the-hole-death-intl-hnk/index.html | Source: CNN
05:12 TR Bot; Brazilian Amazon: 'Man of the Hole,' the last member of an indigenous tribe, has died - CNN
05:12 Helenah; It's like 6 average human lifetimes away.
05:13 Helenah; the average lifespan will change too
05:13 Helenah; DaemonFC: You don't know that.
05:13 DaemonFC; Yes, it will continue falling.
05:13 Helenah; And neither do I
05:13 TR News; "facing the threat of a growing disaster on the Oder River" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/08/29/fish-a29.html | Source: WSWS
05:13 TR Bot; Fish kills in the Oder River: Interaction of climate change and systematic pollution - World Socialist Web Site
05:13 TR News; "The tribe has pushed back against this declining harvest, and in 2018 it sued to force the state of Alaska to take a more sustainable approach" https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/herring-sitka-alaska/ | Source: The Nation
05:13 TR Bot; This Tiny Fish Holds Together Ecosystems and CulturesIts Also Under Threat | The Nation
05:13 Helenah; "Humanity has a 95% probability of being extinct in 7,800,000 years"
05:14 DaemonFC; The US life expectancy fell by 1.5 years since 2019.
05:14 Helenah; And it's only a percentage and an probability
05:14 DaemonFC; The first time that's happened in over 150 years.
05:14 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I had no problem with Mir being under GPLv3, I objected to it being under GPLv3 with a copyright assignment policy, and for Canonical to be happy to license it to others under proprietary licenses
05:14 DaemonFC; Not even during the Great Depression did life expectancy fall like it has under Trump and Biden.
05:14 DaemonFC; These are the two worst presidents we've ever had.
05:15 TR News; advicegoddess is now offline, a dead link. Welcome to the WWW. Here today, gone tomorrow. The WHOLE lot. https://www.advicegoddess.com/
05:15 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.advicegoddess.com/ )
05:15 Helenah; You're speaking of what happened in the US while stating humans won't be here in 500 years time.
05:15 Helenah; US does not equate to the world...
05:15 TR News; amy alkon https://www.bendsource.com/bend/rip-amy-alkons-science-based-syndicated-advice-column-1995-to-march-31-2022/Content?oid=16619724
05:15 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: I had no problem with Mir being under GPLv3, I objected to it being under GPLv3 with a copyright assignment policy, and for Canonical to be happy to license it to others under proprietary licenses
05:15 TR Bot; RIP, Amy Alkons science-based syndicated advice column: 1995 to March 31, 2022. | The Source Weekly - Bend, Oregon
05:15 DaemonFC; The Contributor License Agreement only applies if you make a contribution to Canonical's version of Mir.
05:15 DaemonFC; What is there to stop a fork?
05:16 DaemonFC; Which would be GPL3-only.
05:16 TR News; I knew people would think that. Its not. Its just time. America has changed so drastically. It isnt the United States of America at all. Nothings united about it. Its a very weird place to live right now. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/28/ozzy-osbourne-i-have-sung-that-song-for-55-years-i-am-not-going-to-forget-the-words
05:16 TR Bot; Tea with Ozzy Osbourne: Ive sung that song for 55 years. Im not going to forget the words | Ozzy Osbourne | The Guardian
05:17 TR News; Ozzy Osbourne Returning Home to the U.K. From the U.S. - Variety https://variety.com/2022/music/global/ozzy-osbourne-sharon-osbourne-uk-return-1235353174/ Source: Variety | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//variety.com/2022/music/global/ozzy-osbourne-sharon-osbourne-uk-return-1235353174/
05:17 TR Bot; Osbourne Returning Home to the U.K. From the U.S. - Variety
05:17 DaemonFC; The CLA was something you signed separately with Canonical, not something you had to accept because the GPL 3 doesn't allow for extra restrictions if you choose to accept the software and redistribute it under those terms.
05:17 TR News; iophk: microsoft hides its numbers, if they were anything other than poorly performing they would have been trumpeted https://www.economist.com/business/2022/08/29/the-cloud-computing-giants-are-vying-to-protect-their-fat-profits
05:17 TR Bot; cloud computing giants are vying to protect their fat profits | The Economist
05:17 TR News; iophk: anti-botnet articles agitate against IRC
05:17 DaemonFC; If anything, they basically guaranteed there would probably be a fork at some point and they couldn't use any code from the fork without nullifying the CLA on their version.
05:17 schestowitz[TR]; <Helenah> You're speaking of what happened in the US while stating humans won't be here in 500 years time.
05:18 DaemonFC; So it would damage them more than a community fork of Mir.
05:18 schestowitz[TR]; 1) 500 years is a LONG time
05:18 schestowitz[TR]; 2) some humans will survive
05:18 schestowitz[TR]; but if 99% of them perish, then it's quite an epic event
05:18 DaemonFC; They basically would have XFree86'd themselves very early on and lost control of their own project.
05:19 TR News; Blame "Linux" for something not connected to Linux, as usual https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/134023/malware/rapperbot-linux-botnet.html
05:19 TR Bot; New Linux botnet RapperBot brute-forces SSH serversSecurity Affairs
05:19 TR News; tiktok https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/tiktok-pigtails-trend-end-now-rcna45371
05:19 TR Bot; The TikTok pigtails trend should end now
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
05:21 TR News; Yesterday, Pine64 made an announcement about the Star64 Single Board Computer (SBC) prototype." https://linuxgizmos.com/pine64-reveals-the-star64-risc-v-based-single-board-computer/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
05:21 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/pine64-reveals-the-star64-risc-v-based-single-board-computer/ )
05:21 TR News; "Using the ping command is perhaps the most common way to check if a remote server is reachable or not" https://linuxhandbook.com/ping-ipv6/ | Source: Linux Handbook
05:21 TR Bot; How to Ping an IPv6 Address in Linux Command Line
05:21 TR News; "Bash programming comprises three kinds of loops: the for loop, the while loop, and the until loop." https://www.unixmen.com/bash-while-loop-examples-for-loops-until-loops-and-more/ | Source: Unix Men
05:21 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/bash-while-loop-examples-for-loops-until-loops-and-more/ )
05:22 TR News; "In this tutorial, we will learn what is Portainer, how to install Portainer and how to manage docker containers" https://ostechnix.com/portainer-an-easiest-way-to-manage-docker/ | Source: OSTechNix
05:22 TR Bot; Docker Containers Using Portainer In Linux - OSTechNix
05:22 TR News; "Snap packages are widely used all across different Linux distributions." https://vitux.com/how-to-install-snapd-on-debian/ | Source: Vitux
05:22 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://vitux.com/how-to-install-snapd-on-debian/ )
05:23 TR News; "Tor Browser 11.5.2 updates Firefox on Windows, macOS, and Linux to 91.13.0esr." https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1152/ | Source: Tor
05:23 TR Bot; New Release: Tor Browser 11.5.2 (Android,Windows, macOS, Linux) | The Tor Project
05:24 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Given the codebase embodied the protocol, a fork that does anything useful would probably have been incompatble with what Canonical redistributed
05:24 mjg59_; And nobody's going to release code that targets Mir that isn't compatible with Ubuntu
05:24 mjg59_; Well, nobody's going to release code that targets Mir at all now
05:24 mjg59_; But at the time
05:25 TR News; If people worked from home, a lot of fuel would be saved (cars burn a LOT)
05:25 TR News; "uses a lot of what it has in storage while" https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/26/europe-energy-crisis-natural-gas-economy-winter/ | Source: Foreign Policy
05:25 TR Bot; Europe's Energy Crisis Is Worse Than You Think
05:25 TR News; "Every company needs to mobilise and act." https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220829-french-pm-says-companies-may-face-energy-rationing-this-winter | Source: France24
05:25 TR Bot; French PM says companies may face energy rationing this winter
05:27 TR News; "French Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne urged companies on Monday to draft energy savings plans by next month" https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/french-firms-ready-curb-energy-use-avoid-rationing-lobby-group-2022-08-29/ | Source: Reuters
05:27 TR Bot; PM tells firms to draft energy savings plans to avoid rationing | Reuters
05:27 TR News; "quota trading system" https://www.barrons.com/news/french-pm-warns-of-risk-of-rationing-this-winter-01661780108 | Source: Barrons
05:27 TR Bot; French PM Warns Of Rationing Risk This Winter | Barron's
05:28 TR News; Twitter is FINISHED https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/29/23327036/elon-musk-zatko-mudge-subpoena-twitter-trial-documents-bots | Source: The Verge
05:28 TR Bot; Twitter whistleblower Pieter Mudge Zatko just got a subpoena from Elon Musk - The Verge
05:28 TR News; "Mr. Musk and Mr. Zatko have both accused Twitter of fraud, but their allegations are not the same" https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/29/business/economy-news-inflation-stocks#elon-musk-twitter-whistle-blower | Source: New York Times
05:28 TR Bot; U.S., Economy and Inflation News for Aug. 29, 2022 - The New York Times
05:29 TR News; "One cryptocurrency firm, Tether, has said it would not freeze its accounts tied to Tornado Cash" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/next-gen-technologies/crypto-firms-say-us-sanctions-limit-use-of-privacy-software/93852568 | Source: India Times
05:29 TR Bot; Crypto firms say US sanctions limit use of privacy software, CIO News, ET CIO
05:29 TR News; "Kyncl will be succeeded by Mary Ellen Coe, currently the president of global customer solutions at Google, on Oct. 3" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/youtube-chief-business-officer-robert-kyncl-1235208181/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
05:29 TR Bot; YouTubes Chief Business Officer Robert Kyncl to Step Down in October The Hollywood Reporter
05:29 TR News; "Robert Kyncl will exit YouTube in early 2023 after more than 12 years as a senior exec at video giant." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/robert-kyncl-youtube-leaving-chief-business-officer-1235353708/ | Source: Variety http://techrights.org/2022/08/26/faketube/
05:29 TR Bot; Kyncl to Step Down as YouTube Chief Business Officer in 2023 - Variety
05:29 TR Bot; Not Just Twitter: YouTube is Failing, Flailing, and Tolerating Clickfraud (Bot Activity) in Order to Fake Its Size (Audience Magnitude) | Techrights
05:30 TR News; FB, Twitter, YouTube: censorship platforms. AKA "social control media".
05:30 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Well, nobody's going to release code that targets Mir at all now
05:30 DaemonFC; Hardware vendors won instead of Canonical is basically what happened here.
05:31 DaemonFC; Not sure if that's much beter.
05:31 DaemonFC; *better
05:31 DaemonFC; I would say except Nvidia, but they've been getting other people to do free work for them so they don't have to adapt their driver much.
05:31 DaemonFC; So they won more than anyone else.
05:32 TR News; [Old] "On the same day as this piece came out, TechDirt reports on a passenger who would likely disagree with the Secretary. [...] advice blogger Amy Alkon graphically described how she sobbed loudly" https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/09/06/female-blogger-threatened-with-a-defamation-suit-for-blogging-about-tsa-rape/ | Source: Forbes
05:32 TR Bot; Female Blogger Threatened With Defamation Suit For Writing About TSA 'Rape'
05:32 TR News; [Old] "Nearing the end of this violation, I sobbed even louder as the woman, FOUR TIMES, stuck the side of her gloved hand INTO my vagina, through my pants." https://www.techdirt.com/2011/09/06/tsa-agent-threatens-woman-with-defamation-demands-500k-calling-intrusive-search-rape/ | Source: Techdirt
05:32 TR Bot; Agent Threatens Woman With Defamation, Demands $500k For Calling Intrusive Search 'Rape' | Techdirt
05:32 mjg59_; I'm not sure why you're arguing that Canonical choosing licensing that allowed them to release code under a proprietary license but prevented anyone else doing so was a good thing
05:32 DaemonFC; It's a shame the response to Nvidia wasn't "Hard no. Fix it yourself.".
05:33 loner; mjg59_: didn't GNU/FSF do so, for a very long time, with GCC and copyright assignment requirements for this?
05:33 DaemonFC; They have the fucking piece of crap. They should "support" it.
05:33 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> I'm not sure why you're arguing that Canonical choosing licensing that allowed them to release code under a proprietary license but prevented anyone else doing so was a good thing
05:33 TR News; "The bill adds up quickly when the costs of residual fees for actors, writers and directors are included costs that are triggered no matter how many or how few people cue up a particular episode of a vintage series." https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/hbo-max-wb-discovery-content-remove-inventory-1235352588/ | Source: Variety
05:33 TR Bot; Max Removes Low Performing Shows to Manage Inventory Problem - Variety
05:33 DaemonFC; I'm not sure there would be anything for them to gain by doing that.
05:33 TR News; Pro Publica talking about air pollution while bagging bribes from the world's biggest polluter, Bill Gates (he does far worse things) https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-mexico-border-town-approves-air-pollution-monitoring-following-propublica-and-texas-tribune-investigation
05:33 TR Bot; Laredo, Texas, Approves Air Monitoring for Ethylene Oxide ProPublica
05:34 mjg59_; loner: FSF commit to only licensing works under free licenses
05:34 DaemonFC; If the protocol is so immutable that the Free and theoretical proprietary versions can't be all that different, like you said, then what could they do with this?
05:34 loner; mjg59_: who funded the FSF?
05:35 mjg59_; DaemonFC: They did contracting work for a variety of vendors who didn't want to ship GPLv3 code, and sold them proprietary licensed material instead
05:35 mjg59_; loner: A variety of contributors
05:35 TR News; "Over the years [Integza] has blown up or melted many types of jet engine, including the humble pulsejet." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/a-detonation-engine-prototyped-using-resin-printing/ | Source: Hackaday
05:35 TR Bot; Detonation Engine Prototyped Using Resin Printing | Hackaday
05:35 DaemonFC; So the danger was already there. libhybris was all about hooking up Android video drivers that were already non-Free.
05:36 DaemonFC; But would this violate the GPL in the way that they tied it all together?
05:36 TR News; "does the guy on the Monopoly box (standard edition) wear a monocle?" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/visual-mandela-effect-you-dont-know-iconic-images-as-well-as-you-think/ | Source: Hackaday
05:36 TR Bot; Mandela Effect: You Dont Know Iconic Images As Well As You Think | Hackaday
05:36 mjg59_; No, since Canonical were the copyright holders
05:36 loner; and i mean, Mozilla play the same game for "non-profit", and then were blessed with hundreds of millions of google coins
05:36 mjg59_; And were clearly ok with it
05:36 DaemonFC; So the danger is basically the same either way?
05:36 mjg59_; What? No.
05:37 DaemonFC; You're telling me that the difference is legitimizing it de facto vs. de jure.
05:37 mjg59_; I didn't say anything about that at all
05:37 DaemonFC; There's no enforcement coming either way, so what's the difference?
05:37 mjg59_; libhybris is a red herring here
05:37 loner; sorry for interrupting, there was just some questions remaining, with GNU toolchain.
05:37 mjg59_; The choice of GPLv3 had nothing to do with libhybris, and none of the problems were related to libhybris
05:37 loner; with mozilla products, gnome, canonical, whatever, it's at least possible to remove or replace various components
05:38 loner; while GNU toolchain and benefitiaries cannot be.. removed
05:38 DaemonFC; What additional harm can Canonical do with the CLA vs. being THE copyright holder that does not pursue?
05:39 mjg59_; If Mir had been released under a permissive license, both Canonical *and* external contributors could have produced proprietary versions of Mir
05:39 DaemonFC; My guess when I saw the GPL 3 + CLA on most of their projects was that the GPL 3 was designed to be so unattractive to some entities that they'd go ahead and pay for an exception.
05:39 mjg59_; If Mir had been released under GPLv3 without a CLA, *neither* Canonical nor external contributors could have produced proprietary versions of Mir (assuming external contributions)
05:39 loner; i had to block already, at gcc47 (2012), perl-5.8 (2004), to at least retain some minified "free software" userspace
05:39 DaemonFC; But most of their software can be forked and then you don't sign the CLA.
05:40 mjg59_; The combination of GPLv3 and a CLA was intended to ensure that the only option to obtain proprietary versions of Mir was to pay Canonical
05:40 mjg59_; This was while Canonical were attempting to increase their embedded business
05:40 DaemonFC; I was more disturbed by the mess that Unity was turning into.
05:40 loner; GCC too insisted on a copyright assignment, to FSF (and it's "non-profit" sponsors) in this case
05:41 DaemonFC; That was an attempt to hijack GNOME and turn the desktop into something they controlled, and to kill user demand for the Shell. And ensure the users who wanted Unity could only run it on Ubuntu.
05:41 loner; and with GNU gas specific and ISA specific assembly language cluttering _all_ relevant libc, GNU binutils remain locked too
05:41 DaemonFC; Fortunately, they weren't competent enough to hold it all together on a budget that was acceptable to them, and gave up.
05:41 loner; meaning, GNU/FSF _prevent_ any alternative non-FSF/non-GNU toolchain
05:42 loner; as an example, tcc-toolchain is free software, nonetheless GNU toolchain remains locked into (with kernel and libc)
05:42 DaemonFC; Now Snap is failing too, and they take Microsoft money.
05:43 DaemonFC; THey've become the next Novell at this point. I doubt Ubuntu will be around long. Most that sign these sorts of deals are not around long enough to talk about it.
05:43 mjg59_; Ok glad you agree that you were wrong when you said I was upset about Mir being under GPLv3
05:43 DaemonFC; The history of Microsoft deals is a history of companies that didn't exist five years later.
05:43 loner; and the difference to mozilla and gnome products: GNU toolchain cannot be removed or replaced with any free software alternative
05:43 DaemonFC; I didn't say that. I said what disturbed me the most at the time was their desktop.
05:43 DaemonFC; And no, I never did trust them.
05:43 loner; it's easy to remove non-free Mozilla or non-free GNOME, it's impossible to remove non-free Libc
05:44 loner; i consider the assembly language parts non-free
05:44 DaemonFC; Without Unity, Mir just didn't interest them at all anymore.
05:44 loner; and GNU/FSF ensured/enforced a vendor-lock against this
05:45 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Ok glad you agree that you were wrong when you said I was upset about Mir being under GPLv3
05:45 DaemonFC; I'm unsure why a vendor would want a GPL exception for Mir.
05:45 DaemonFC; What are they going to hook into it that becomes a derived work if not a graphics driver?
05:46 loner; and what GNU/FSF did with their toolchain is both, a vendor-lock, and a vendor-lock against non-free components (assembly language related within _all_ relevant libc)
05:46 TR News; "Permanent war requires permanent censorship." https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-and-the-politics-of-permanent-war/ | Source: Scheerpost
05:46 TR Bot; Hedges: Ukraine and the Politics of Permanent War scheerpost.com
05:48 TR News; Debt Relief https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-student-debt-relief/ | Source: The Nation
05:48 TR Bot; Biden's Debt Relief Is Actually a Victory for Left Organizing | The Nation
05:48 loner; with c++ and C11 creeping into the toolchain and dependencies, GNU toolchain must be detangled, in favor of a free software alternative
05:50 loner; only those software components (including kernel and libc) which can be compiled/linked/assmebled _without_ GNU-toolchain are free software, and vendor-independent from those who sponsor FSF for "non-profit"
05:51 TR News; "Pirate site blocking is a reasonable way for rightsholders to protect their rights in a highly targeted fashion." https://torrentfreak.com/austrian-isps-had-no-choice-but-to-block-pirate-sites-and-cloudflare-220829/ | Source: Torrent Freak
05:51 TR Bot; ISPs 'Had No Choice' But to Block Pirate Sites AND Cloudflare * TorrentFreak
05:51 loner; (besides, LLVM isn't an alternative to GNU-toolchain)
05:52 Helenah; I thought Canonical just simply abandoned Mir like they do with everything? They start something then abandon it. Mir (Abandoned), Upstart (Abandoned), Unity (Abandoned), Ubuntu Touch (Abandoned).
05:52 DaemonFC; "Austrian ISPs are currently blocking Cloudflare after a rightsholder obtained a court order to render pirate sites inaccessible and included the CDN's IP addresses. "
05:52 DaemonFC; They should keep blocking them.
05:52 loner; with mozilla and gnome, the situation is simple: removed. however libc/kernel/toolchain cannot be removed or replaced with any real free software alternative independent from the "non-profit" sponsors of the FSF/GNU.
05:53 Helenah; That has nothing to do with NVIDIA, that's merely Canonical's own doing.
05:53 mjg59_; DaemonFC: If Canonical didn't think someone would want Mir under a different license, they wouldn't have bothered with a CLA
05:53 TR News; "We catch up on a months worth of news including GitHub and GitLab controversies, Arduino multitasking, VLC being banned in India, Googles false positives in scans, and KDE Korner." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-192/
05:53 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 192 Late Night Linux
05:54 DaemonFC; Well we know Canonical always plans and invests wisely. ;)
05:54 mjg59_; DaemonFC: The issue wasn't derivative works, the issue was embedded vendors wanting to avoid the anti-Tivoization clause
05:54 DaemonFC; That's why their business models keep flopping and they're taking Microsoft bailouts now.
05:55 TR News; 292: Who Wants To Be A Developer?! (Tips & Tricks To Get Started) - Destination Linux - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-292/ Source: Tux Digital
05:55 TR Bot; Who Wants To Be A Developer?! (Tips & Tricks To Get Started) - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
05:55 DaemonFC; The biggest problem I have with Ubuntu as a user, is that they keep re-inventing the wheel and trying to get you to use their stuff, and it only works right on Ubuntu.
05:55 DaemonFC; I'm really glad that other distributions got rid of snaps.
05:56 DaemonFC; Debian's Wiki seems to imply that installing Snaps may end in a broken operating system.
05:56 DaemonFC; That's pretty bad.
05:56 TR News; The PC - Internet Revolution in Rural America | The Changelog https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10417-the-pc-internet-revolution-in-rural-america Source: John Goerzen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//changelog.complete.org/archives/10417-the-pc-internet-revolution-in-rural-america
05:56 TR Bot; The PC & Internet Revolution in Rural America | The Changelog
05:57 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: The issue wasn't derivative works, the issue was embedded vendors wanting to avoid the anti-Tivoization clause
05:57 loner; DaemonFC: GNU/FSF and their "non-profit" sponsors ensured the same with their toolchain; currently impossible to fully detangle from kernel and libc
05:57 DaemonFC; So what makes Wayland different? How does the MIT license protect us from Tivoization?
05:57 mjg59_; It doesn't
05:58 loner; however, kernel/libc/toolchain are far more problematic, because those are critical base system components, which cannot be removed and/or replaced with any real free software alternative
05:58 TR News; Surveillance-friendly company Mozilla still posing as privacy fighter https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/08/29/save-the-date-the-long-road-to-federal-privacy-protections-are-we-there-yet/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
05:58 TR Bot; Save the Date! The Long Road to Federal Privacy Protections: Are we there yet? - Open Policy & Advocacy
05:58 TR Bot; Mozilla - Techrights
05:58 DaemonFC; It seems that Mir being under the GPL 3 most of the time would have been better than Wayland under the MIT license.
05:58 mjg59_; The issue is the upstream of the software insisting that if you want to contribute your code to upstream, you need to agree that it can be made proprietary - but you don't have that right yourself
05:59 TR News; Michael Larabel does marketing spam for his sponsor AMD. Writes article about an article to come... this isn't an actual article https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-7000-zen4-linux
05:59 TR Bot; Announces Ryzen 7000 Series "Zen 4" Desktop CPUs - Linux Benchmarks To Come Review - Phoronix
05:59 mjg59_; The upstream of free software should not act in ways that grant them privileges others don't have
05:59 loner; how is this different to the copryright assignment to FSF for GCC?
05:59 DaemonFC; Stallman is in favor of GPL exceptions as a business model.
05:59 mjg59_; loner: The FSF copyright assignment has contractual language that prevents the FSF permitting it to be used under proprietary terms
05:59 loner; mjg59_: wrong, GPL does NOT deny any re-licensing, it can't
06:00 mjg59_; DaemonFC: If Canonical wanted to pay people to allow them to grant license exceptions, that would have been fine
06:00 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 126.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 101.63
06:00 mjg59_; loner: Dude the agreement you sign with the FSF binds the FSF to certain commitments
06:00 mjg59_; It's a separate contract to the GPL
06:01 mjg59_; You assign your copyright to the FSF under the condition that they don't re-license it under a proprietary license
06:01 mjg59_; If they do, you get to sue them for breach of contract and reassert your copyright
06:01 DaemonFC; Not that it matters much.
06:01 loner; mjg59_: i am not at least the copyright holder of the software i am struggling with system integration of tcc-toolchain
06:02 mjg59_; Then the FSF copyright assignment doesn't matter
06:02 DaemonFC; Most GNU projects only have to threaten to leave and they get "special exceptions" from that policy all of a sudden.
06:02 DaemonFC; They even did that for nano/
06:02 loner; yes, because i want to fully remove GNU-toolchain for that reason, which is the "non-profit" sponsors of it
06:03 loner; and their anti-competitive practices
06:03 TR News; "The MeLE Quieter3C came installed with a licensed copy of Windows 11 Pro version 21H2" so it basically FORCES you to get and pay for Microsoft malware. Why is this reviewed as "Linux"? Oh, wait, WEBSPAM. "Id like to thank MeLE for providing the MeLE Quieter3C for review. It retails at around $270" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/30/mele-quieter3c-fanless-mini-pc-review-with-ubuntu-22-04-windows-11/
06:03 TR Bot; MeLE Quieter3C fanless mini PC review with Ubuntu 22.04, Windows 11 - CNX Software
06:03 TR News; In 2022, WWW = webspam
06:04 TR News; (NEW): Traditional Packaging is not Suitable for Modern Applications http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Traditional_Packaging_is_not_Suitable_for_Modern_Applications.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Traditional_Packaging_is_not_Suitable_for_Modern_Applications.gmi
06:04 TR Bot; Tux Machines Traditional Packaging is not Suitable for Modern Applications
06:08 TR News; (NEW): MangoPi MQ Quad SBC - Allwinner H616 meets Raspberry Pi Zero W form factor http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/MangoPi_MQ_Quad_SBC_Allwinner_H616_meets_Raspberry_Pi_Zero_W_fo.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/MangoPi_MQ_Quad_SBC_Allwinner_H616_meets_Raspberry_Pi_Zero_W_fo.gmi
06:08 TR Bot; Tux Machines MangoPi MQ Quad SBC - Allwinner H616 meets Raspberry Pi Zero W form factor
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06:21 Helenah; Welcome back, starstreak! :3
06:22 starstreak; :)
06:23 starstreak; I'm the Matrix 4
06:26 starstreak; I'm watching* the Matrix 4
06:26 starstreak; lol
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06:53 DaemonFC; https://www.quora.com/Why-are-movies-so-bad-today
06:53 TR Bot; are movies so bad today? - Quora
06:59 DaemonFC; "Star Wars 7 & 8 suffers from this really badly with Rey. She doesn't go through training but is already able to fight off Kylo Ren despite Luke taking the whole trilogy to be able to stand a chance against Vader."
06:59 DaemonFC; Affirmative Action. Man has to work 1,000 times harder to get the same achievement.
06:59 DaemonFC; Thanks Disney!
06:59 DaemonFC; mjg59_, ^
06:59 DaemonFC; Just because I know you won't like that.
07:00 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.86 k/sec., IPFS upstream 158.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 98.95
07:01 DaemonFC; Then again, I'm not sure Alien is much better.
07:02 DaemonFC; The Xenomorphs took out an entire platoon and then a civilian woman kills their queen.
07:02 DaemonFC; No training on marine weapons except 5 seconds of Corporal Hicks telling her how to load it.
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07:06 DaemonFC; "Rey is written in to push the idea of girl power. This is what makes new female leads suck compared to older female leads like Ripley and Sarah Conner."
07:07 DaemonFC; I did appreciate the older ones, because they had to develop as characters.
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07:29 TR News; Genshin https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/genshin-security-impact/ | Source: Hackaday
07:29 TR Bot; Security Impact | Hackaday
07:30 TR News; "For those unfamiliar with the sport of mountain biking, its a wild hobby that is rife with hacking." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/800-mountain-bike-seat-post-chopped-in-two/ | Source: Hackaday
07:30 TR Bot; Mountain Bike Seat Post Chopped In Two | Hackaday
07:30 TR News; "Perhaps nothing added quite so much to the charm of vacuum tube circuits from back in the heyday of the vacuum tube" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/magic-eye-tubes-go-solid-state-with-this-plug-in-replacement/ | Source: Hackaday
07:30 TR Bot; Eye Tubes Go Solid State With This Plug-In Replacement | Hackaday
07:32 TR News; Mass Media https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/29/mass-media-and-politics-permanent-war | Source: Common Dreams
07:32 TR Bot; Opinion | Mass Media and the Politics of Permanent War | Chris Hedges
07:34 TR News; "Laptop screens have come a long way ever since the first LCD-equipped portables hit the market back in the 1980s" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/2022-cyberdeck-contest-steampunk-cyberdeck-is-made-from-wood-leather-brass-and-e-paper/ | Source: Hackaday
07:34 TR Bot; Cyberdeck Contest: Steampunk Cyberdeck Is Made From Wood, Leather, Brass And E-Paper | Hackaday
07:34 TR News; Lidl https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/review-lidl-parkside-micrometer/ | Source: Hackaday
07:34 TR Bot; Lidl Parkside Micrometer | Hackaday
07:36 TR News; "It is unfortunate, if unsurprising, to watch Covid become yet another illness inadequately covered by a faulty and fragmented financing system." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/29/days-after-approving-another-3-billion-ukraine-war-us-says-no-more-money-free-covid | Source: Common Dreams
07:36 TR Bot; Days After Approving Another $3 Billion for Ukraine War, US Says No More Money for Free Covid Tests
07:36 TR News; "The blades of the wind turbines on the mountain range opposite my window are turning especially energetically today." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/29/we-need-public-utilities-and-we-need-them-now | Source: Common Dreams
07:36 TR Bot; Opinion | We Need Public Utilities and We Need Them Now | Yanis Varoufakis
07:38 TR News; Putin protects Stalin https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/30/russian-politician-leonid-gozman-arrested-for-calling-stalin-worse-than-hitler | Source: Meduza
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07:39 TR News; "Police in Moscow have arrested journalist Andrey Zayakin" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/29/moscow-police-arrest-journalist-who-founded-project-that-finds-plagiarism-in-senior-state-officials-academic-work | Source: Meduza
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07:40 TR News; "Secularists teaching the state of Texas a lesson in unintended consequences appears to be becoming something of a theme" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/texas-activist-weaponizes-law-requiring-religious-posters-in-schools-against-its-fans/ | Source: Techdirt
07:40 TR Bot; Activist Weaponizes Law Requiring Religious Posters In Schools Against Its Fans | Techdirt
07:41 TR News; "It appears that free speech absolutist Elon Musk is, once again, not such a fan of free speech when it criticizes him" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/free-speech-absolutist-elon-musk-demands-take-down-of-likely-misleading-videos-of-teslas-running-over-child-sized-mannequins/ | Source: Techdirt
07:41 TR Bot; Speech Absolutist Elon Musk Demands Take Down Of (Likely Misleading) Videos Of Teslas Running Over Child-Sized Mannequins | Techdirt
07:42 TR News; Breaking the Web https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/senator-klobuchars-latest-bad-idea-letting-smaller-journalism-outlets-demand-payments-for-links/ | Source: Techdirt
07:42 TR Bot; Klobuchars Latest Bad Idea: Letting Smaller Journalism Outlets Demand Payments For Links | Techdirt
07:44 TR News; IRA https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/29/ira-didnt-include-crucial-funding-needed-disabled | Source: Common Dreams
07:44 TR Bot; Opinion | The IRA Didn't Include Crucial Funding Needed for the Disabled | Mike Ervin
07:44 TR News; "It's a critical step to crack down on data brokers selling sensitive location dataincluding at healthcare clinics." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/29/ftc-files-urgently-needed-suit-against-data-broker-citing-threat-abortion-patients | Source: Common Dreams
07:44 TR Bot; FTC Files 'Urgently Needed' Suit Against Data Broker, Citing Threat to Abortion Patients
07:44 TR News; How to Find Hidden Cameras in Airbnb https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-to-find-hidden-cameras/ | Source: PIA
07:44 TR Bot; How to Find Hidden Cameras in Airbnb or Anywhere
07:45 TR News; "BVLOS drones bring new challenges to operations" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/over-horizon-drones-lineup-privacy-not-sight | Source: EFF
07:45 TR Bot; Over-the-Horizon Drones Line Up But Privacy Is Not In Sight | Electronic Frontier Foundation
07:54 TR News; "Vic Mignogna is an American voice actor specializing in English dubs of Japanese anime." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/texas-appeals-court-upholds-dismissal-of-voice-actors-bogus-defamation-lawsuit/ | Source: Techdirt
07:54 TR Bot; Appeals Court Upholds Dismissal Of Voice Actors Bogus Defamation Lawsuit | Techdirt
07:54 TR News; FCC https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/new-fcc-broadband-maps-are-a-bit-of-a-mess-right-now/ | Source: Techdirt
07:54 TR Bot; FCC Broadband Maps Are A Bit Of A Train Wreck | Techdirt
07:56 TR News; "The "Year of the Linux Desktop" is the prophesy that tells of a time when Linux takes over desktops, and becomes the dominant operating system." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8btw60KFnpw
07:56 TR Bot; The Year of the Linux Desktop won't happen (and why that's okay) - Invidious
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 162.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 97.26
08:01 TR News; (NEW): Videos/Shows: Year of the Linux Desktop, Destination Linux, Late Night Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Videos_Shows.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Videos_Shows.gmi
08:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos/Shows: Year of the Linux Desktop, Destination Linux, Late Night Linux
08:08 TR News; (NEW): Confused About Quantum Computing? Linux Will Teach You for Free http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Confused_About_Quantum_Computing_Linux_Will_Teach_You_for_Free.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Confused_About_Quantum_Computing_Linux_Will_Teach_You_for_Free.gmi
08:08 TR Bot; Tux Machines Confused About Quantum Computing? Linux Will Teach You for Free
08:09 TR News; "If you thought cookie pop-ups were an annoying nuisanc" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/age-verification-providers-say-dont-worry-about-california-design-code-youll-just-have-to-scan-your-face-for-every-website-you-visit/ | Source: Techdirt
08:09 TR Bot; Verification Providers Say Dont Worry About California Design Code; Youll Just Have To Scan Your Face For Every Website You Visit | Techdirt
08:10 TR News; "Its not often you see a civil forfeiture case handled by an appeals court." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/appeals-court-tells-government-it-needs-actual-evidence-if-it-wants-to-keep-the-70000-it-seized-during-an-accident-investigation/ | Source: Techdirt
08:10 TR Bot; Court Tells Government It Needs Actual Evidence If It Wants To Keep The $70,000 It Seized During An Accident Investigation | Techdirt
08:12 TR News; Debt https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-rating-hits-highest-point-in-months-after-student-debt-plan-announcement/ | Source: TruthOut
08:12 TR Bot; Bidens Rating Hits Highest Point in Months After Student Debt Plan Announcement
08:12 TR News; COVID-19 https://truthout.org/articles/when-we-rose-to-fight-covid-we-were-deliberately-turned-against-each-other/ | Source: TruthOut
08:12 TR Bot; When We Rose to Fight COVID, We Were Deliberately Turned Against Each Other
08:14 TR News; AOC https://truthout.org/articles/aoc-says-reversing-trump-tax-cuts-could-fund-cancelation-of-all-student-debt/ | Source: TruthOut
08:14 TR Bot; AOC Says Reversing Trump Tax Cuts Could Fund Cancelation of All Student Debt
08:15 TR News; Chomsky https://fair.org/home/factchecking-the-factchecker-on-chomsky-russia-and-media-access/ | Source: FAIR
08:15 TR Bot; Factchecking the Factchecker on Chomsky, Russia and Media Access - FAIR
08:15 TR News; Classified https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/29/classified-yet-publicly-available | Source: Meduza
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08:26 TR News; (NEW): Proprietary Software and Security http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Proprietary_Software_and_Security.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Proprietary_Software_and_Security.gmi
08:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Proprietary Software and Security"
08:26 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.gmi
08:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers"
08:26 TR News; (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi
08:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers
08:26 TR News; Links 29/08/2022: Canonical Helping Microsoft Again | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/29/canonical-helping-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/29/canonical-helping-microsoft/
08:26 TR Bot; Links 29/08/2022: Canonical Helping Microsoft Again | Techrights
08:28 loner; ok, got some audio-output with mplayer-1.4 and OSS already, it's not completely defunct
08:28 TR News; Links 30/08/2022: LastPass Cracked Again, Tor Browser 11.5.2 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/lastpass-cracked-again/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/lastpass-cracked-again/
08:28 TR Bot; Links 30/08/2022: LastPass Cracked Again, Tor Browser 11.5.2 | Techrights
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; oss in 2022?
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; afaik, no browser will support that nymore
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; hardly also, either
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; except the 'niche' ones
08:31 loner; currently i only got some test-setup with mplayer-1.4 and ao=oss
08:32 loner; ao=sdl doesn't work yet... for examplew
08:32 TR News; Criminals (Microsoft) lying: "We recognize the importance of a competitive environment" https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/271491/microsoft-finalizes-plans-to-fix-unfair-licensing-in-eu
08:32 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/271491/microsoft-finalizes-plans-to-fix-unfair-licensing-in-eu )
08:32 loner; nonetheless, it's working and the rest can be repaired i hope, at least libsdl1 for a very long time used oss
08:32 TR News; "i've recently had something of a Knuth moment, resulting in me writing a small POSIX shell script for generating an EPUB." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-08-30.gmi
08:33 TR News; How many words do you write in a day? gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/words.gmi
08:34 loner; and i am well aware of the fact, too libsdl1 is phased out almost everywhere (libsdl2 is written in c++ among other problems)
08:35 loner; however, the software-components remaining can be compiled with tcc-toolchain, and do not need any gcc or g++
08:36 loner; the mplayer-1.4/ffmpeg test case is just some mile-stone, to see how far i could with a tcc-toolchain
08:38 loner; it's somewhat ironic, alsa-lib failed with tcc-toolchain, while oss won't cause any problems i think
08:44 loner; ALSA removal back to OSS is another roll-back of 20years to salvage some free software ...
08:45 loner; that's probably the only reason why it still exists, because it was forgotten it existed
08:48 TR News; Microsoft Encryption | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/microsoft-encryption/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/microsoft-encryption/
08:48 TR Bot; Microsoft Encryption | Techrights
08:50 loner; if and once i repaired any libc and linux-kernel, i got an entire distribution fully forked away from both GNU-toolchain and LLVM
08:51 loner; and meanwhile "free software" is continued being wrecked beyond repair, the gcc47 profile and tcc-toolchain profile are frozen and archived safe and secure
08:51 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Monday, August 29, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/irc-log-290822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//techrights.org/2022/08/30/irc-log-290822/
08:51 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, August 29, 2022 | Techrights
08:53 TR News; Share screens on Linux with GNOME Connections | https://opensource.com/article/22/8/share-screens-linux-gnome-connections Source: Open Source Initiative | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/8/share-screens-linux-gnome-connections
08:53 TR Bot; screens on Linux with GNOME Connections | Opensource.com
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/lastpass-data-breach-source-code-stolen
08:54 TR Bot; LastPass Suffers Data Breach, Source Code Stolen
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; users need to change all the passwords they have there and not keep them there if they value real security not paper mills.
08:55 TR News; Kubernetes 101 for developers: Names, ports, YAML files, and more https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/30/kubernetes-101-developers-names-ports-yaml-files-and-more
08:55 TR Bot; Kubernetes 101 for developers: Names, ports, YAML files, and more | Red Hat Developer
08:55 TR News; ICBM, a buzzwords company https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/edge-computing-considerations
08:55 TR Bot; Edge computing: 4 considerations for success | The Enterprisers Project
08:58 loner; linux kernel and libc are still heavily locked against GNU toolchain (linux against gcc; libc against binutils-as)
08:58 loner; however, i do know libc can be detangled from binutils-as, and for linux kernel some proof-of-concept existed too it doesn't need gcc
08:58 loner; so, this too is feasible
08:59 loner; it's not a licensing-issue either, it's a vendor-locking issue
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 97.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 108.70
09:00 loner; and it is possible, to detangle the vendor-locks (although difficult), and comply with all licensing terms
09:01 loner; currently, this isn't a popular idea, not yet
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; end of august already
09:01 loner; however long-term, the potential benefits are huge, for that many reasons, including the fact i fear "free software" is approaching a state of wreckage beyond repair
09:02 loner; and the roll-back is simply not possible, for the big-players, such as IBM or whoever else funds FSF for "non-profit"
09:02 loner; Fedora or whoever couldn't just wipe ALSA and OpenGL and GNOME... however i am a the liberty to do so
09:03 loner; they can't just block at gcc47 and a tcc-toolchain, and loose 99% of their hardware support and user-base
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10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 116.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 101.65
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11:34 TR News; Linux Foundation Has Moved to More Expensive Offices, Based on IRS Papers | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/
11:34 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Moved to More Expensive Offices, Based on IRS Papers | Techrights
11:37 TR News; Chrome is not a Web browser but a piece of malware that can also render Web pages
11:39 TR News; Google YouTube continues to turn a blind eye to clickfraud even when it is reported to YouTube. And now that even YouTube executives leave you have to wonder what they know...
11:48 TR News; (NEW): 7 Best Open Source Library Management Software http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/7_Best_Open_Source_Library_Management_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/7_Best_Open_Source_Library_Management_Software.gmi
11:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines 7 Best Open Source Library Management Software"
11:48 TR News; (NEW): Live Debugger Tool for Apps, Sidekick, is Now Open Source http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Live_Debugger_Tool_for_Apps_Sidekick_is_Now_Open_Source.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Live_Debugger_Tool_for_Apps_Sidekick_is_Now_Open_Source.gmi
11:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines Live Debugger Tool for Apps, Sidekick, is Now Open Source"
11:49 TR News; (NEW): 7 Best Free and Open Source Elixir Static Site Generators http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/7_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Elixir_Static_Site_Generators.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/7_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Elixir_Static_Site_Generators.gmi
11:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines 7 Best Free and Open Source Elixir Static Site Generators
11:53 TR News; (NEW): Kylin: The multiple semi-official Chinese versions of Ubuntu http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kylin_The_multiple_semi_official_Chinese_versions_of_Ubuntu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kylin_The_multiple_semi_official_Chinese_versions_of_Ubuntu.gmi
11:53 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kylin: The multiple semi-official Chinese versions of Ubuntu
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12:01 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.gmi
12:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
12:07 TR News; Excess Deaths in the UK This Summer Worst in Years https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/30/excess-deaths-in-the-uk/
12:07 TR Bot; Blog Archive Excess Deaths in the UK This Summer Worst in Years
12:09 TR News; The Linux Foundation seems to be spending money like theres no tomorrow; it moved to the centre of San Francisco, which is notorious for its estate bubble http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/
12:18 TR News; (NEW): Kylin: The multiple semi-official Chinese versions of Ubuntu http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kylin_The_multiple_semi_official_Chinese_versions_of_Ubuntu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kylin_The_multiple_semi_official_Chinese_versions_of_Ubuntu.gmi
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12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:32 TR News; Number of Gemini Capsules (Counted by Lupa) Doubled in the Past 15 Months | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/2700-capsules/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/2700-capsules/
12:32 TR Bot; Number of Gemini Capsules (Counted by Lupa) Doubled in the Past 15 Months | Techrights
12:34 TR News; Judging the "success" of a site based on going "viral" in some place like Reddit or 'Hacker' "noise" is judging something based on scoring by a bunch of corporate as-holes
12:44 TR News; (NEW): Fwupd 1.8.4 Adds Support for Star LabTop Mk III Linux Laptop, Google Prism http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Fwupd_1_8_4_Adds_Support_for_Star_LabTop_Mk_III_Linux_Laptop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Fwupd_1_8_4_Adds_Support_for_Star_LabTop_Mk_III_Linux_Laptop.gmi
12:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fwupd 1.8.4 Adds Support for Star LabTop Mk III Linux Laptop, Google Prism
12:44 TR News; COVID-19 is already linked to about 205,000 deaths in the UK https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/30/excess-deaths-in-the-uk/
12:46 TR News; Affirming a longstanding trend, Gemini continues to grow, whereas the World Wide Web keeps shrinking http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/2700-capsules/
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 89.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 95.01
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13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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13:38 TR News; Misattributing or Misplacing the Blame and Cause GNU/Linux Isnt More Widely Adopted by Desktop and Laptop Users | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/revisionism-re-linux-desktop/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/revisionism-re-linux-desktop/
13:38 TR Bot; Misattributing or Misplacing the Blame and Cause GNU/Linux Isnt More Widely Adopted by Desktop and Laptop Users | Techrights
13:40 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
13:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
13:43 TR News; hwmon: (asus_wmi_ec_sensors) remove driver... "This driver utilises a WMI interface found in AMD 500 series ASUS boards, to read EC registers." https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git/commit/?h=hwmon-next&id=1047fdb018cea2e17ed9c73e001f60d36afe2034
13:43 TR Bot; kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git - hwmon staging tree
13:43 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/y.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/y.gmi
13:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
13:45 TR News; "Starting with MTL, media functionality has moved into a new, second GT at the hardware level. This new GT, referred to as "standalone media" in the spec, has its own GuC, power management/forcewake, etc. The general non-engine GT registers for standalone media start at 0x380000, but otherwise use the same MMIO offsets as the primary GT." https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-August/304507.html
13:45 TR Bot; [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 0/8] i915: Add "standalone media" support for MTL
13:45 TR News; GitLAB is NOT "web-based"; it is JAVASCRIPT-based. Not the same thing at all.
13:47 TR News; A lot of "webapps" became so bloated that not only can they not exceed expectations from native software; they're miles worse than that and at some stage they offer no other choice except "app" (which is just the same bloat packaged a little differently)
13:48 TR News; You not need JavaScript to follow Mesa development https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18197
13:48 TR Bot; zink: implement async compute pipeline creation (!18197) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
13:49 TR News; "Looks like canonical is snap'ing their user base number... And also, canonical is trying to lock important apps behind snap, forcing everyone including other distro to use it." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1343252-canonical-continues-snap-ing-up-linux-gaming-for-ubuntu
13:49 TR Bot; Continues Snap'ing Up Linux Gaming For Ubuntu - Phoronix Forums
13:50 TR News; "Its pretty much evident canonical is nagging other companies to distribute their software with only snap and call it "app support for linux"" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1343252-canonical-continues-snap-ing-up-linux-gaming-for-ubuntu
13:50 TR News; "Snap is the first thing I remove from an Ubuntu installation. Linux Mint is the better Ubuntu for that reason." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1343252-canonical-continues-snap-ing-up-linux-gaming-for-ubuntu
13:51 TR News; "The whole point of this is that apps are being packaged up in the awful containers and distributed this way. It is less work for the app makers. But it is a bad thing for the future." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1343252-canonical-continues-snap-ing-up-linux-gaming-for-ubuntu/page2
13:51 TR Bot; Continues Snap'ing Up Linux Gaming For Ubuntu - Phoronix Forums
13:53 TR News; ESP32 board supports 2.4Ghz LoRa with SX1280 RF transceiver - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/30/esp32-board-supports-2-4ghz-lora-with-sx1280-rf-transceiver/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/30/esp32-board-supports-2-4ghz-lora-with-sx1280-rf-transceiver/
13:53 TR Bot; ESP32 board supports 2.4Ghz LoRa with SX1280 RF transceiver - CNX Software
14:18 MinceR; https://www.deviantart.com/les-piccolo/art/PIC-7156-910579745
14:18 TR Bot; 7156 by Les-Piccolo on DeviantArt
14:18 TR News; (NEW): Crystal Linux: Emerging Arch Linux Spin for GNOME Fans http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Crystal_Linux_Emerging_Arch_Linux_Spin_for_GNOME_Fans.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Crystal_Linux_Emerging_Arch_Linux_Spin_for_GNOME_Fans.gmi
14:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Crystal Linux: Emerging Arch Linux Spin for GNOME Fans
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:25 TR News; [Old] Git Hooks https://devopedia.org/git-hooks
14:25 TR Bot; Git Hooks
14:32 TR News; (NEW): Q4OS Trinity Review http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Q4OS_Trinity_Review.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Q4OS_Trinity_Review.gmi
14:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Q4OS Trinity Review
14:36 TR News; "The reason this is a substitute for a crate digging post: although Ive not picked Venineth back up in a while, I have had the soundtrack on a reasonably heavy rotation. Its an immersive, synth driven instrumental album by polish musician Echo Ray that is good music to listen to when concentrating." https://jmtd.net/log/venineth/
14:36 TR Bot; jmtd log Venineth
14:40 TR News; FTC Sues Massive Data Broker for Selling Location Info on Abortion Clinics https://www.vice.com/en/article/z343kw/ftc-sues-data-broker-kochava-selling-location-data-abortion-clinics Source: Wallanag | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.vice.com/en/article/z343kw/ftc-sues-data-broker-kochava-selling-location-data-abortion-clinics
14:40 TR Bot; FTC Sues Massive Data Broker for Selling Location Info on Abortion Clinics
14:40 TR News; (NEW): Linux Desktops and Hardware Enablement - Its Time for a Change http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Linux_Desktops_and_Hardware_Enablement_It_s_Time_for_a_Change.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Linux_Desktops_and_Hardware_Enablement_It_s_Time_for_a_Change.gmi
14:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Desktops and Hardware Enablement - Its Time for a Change"
14:40 TR News; (NEW): How Linux Respects Your Privacy (And How Windows Does NOT!) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/How_Linux_Respects_Your_Privacy_And_How_Windows_Does_NOT.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/How_Linux_Respects_Your_Privacy_And_How_Windows_Does_NOT.gmi
14:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines How Linux Respects Your Privacy (And How Windows Does NOT!)
14:40 TR News; 3 very awful companies. https://venturebeat.com/programming-development/dell-nvidia-and-vmware-partner-to-boost-data-center-speed/
14:40 TR Bot; Nvidia and VMware partner to boost data center speed | VentureBeat
14:41 TR News; Buzzwords something... something https://www.fosslife.org/devops-approach-speeds-code-releases
14:41 TR Bot; DevOps Approach Speeds Code Releases
14:43 TR News; Hallmark of WEBSPAM... a shopping list of products TOTALLY UNRELATED to what the subject relates to. SPEAKERS are NOT tied to laptops that run a particular OS!! https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-speakers-for-chromebooks-and-chromeboxes/ It's called affiliate spam http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
14:43 TR Bot; 6 Best Speakers for Chromebooks and Chromeboxes in 2022
14:43 TR Bot; The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
14:44 TR News; FTC Sues Kochava for Selling Data that Tracks People at Reproductive Health Clinics, Places of Worship, and Other Sensitive Locations https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/08/ftc-sues-kochava-selling-data-tracks-people-reproductive-health-clinics-places-worship-other
14:44 TR Bot; FTC Sues Kochava for Selling Data that Tracks People at Reproductive Health Clinics, Places of Worship, and Other Sensitive Locations | Federal Trade Commission
14:44 TR News; A Microsoft-friendly revisionist history says that GNU/Linux isnt more widely adopted simply because people arent used to it; while its true that people typically resist change, this guy completely fails to mention Microsofts past and ongoing crimes (as recent as this summer), so I respond to the first half of his latest video http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/revisionism-re-linux-desktop/
14:45 TR Bot; Misattributing or Misplacing the Blame and Cause GNU/Linux Isnt More Widely Adopted by Desktop and Laptop Users | Techrights
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14:51 TR News; (NEW): Microsoft Makes 'Linux' Look Bad and Does Anticompetitive Things http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Microsoft_Makes_Linux_Look_Bad_and_Does_Anticompetitive_Things.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Microsoft_Makes_Linux_Look_Bad_and_Does_Anticompetitive_Things.gmi
14:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Microsoft Makes 'Linux' Look Bad and Does Anticompetitive Things"
14:56 TR News; (NEW): 8 Best Linux Distros To Try In VirtualBox http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/8_Best_Linux_Distros_To_Try_In_VirtualBox.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/8_Best_Linux_Distros_To_Try_In_VirtualBox.gmi
14:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines 8 Best Linux Distros To Try In VirtualBox"
14:56 TR News; (NEW): 2 tools to manage infrastructure sprawl with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/2_tools_to_manage_infrastructure_sprawl_with_Red_Hat_Enterprise.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/2_tools_to_manage_infrastructure_sprawl_with_Red_Hat_Enterprise.gmi
14:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines 2 tools to manage infrastructure sprawl with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 105.63
14:59 TR News; "Microchip's PolarFire SoC family of chips has something of a split-personality: there's the field-programmable gate array (FPGA) side of the chips, and there's the RISC-V processing side, which turns it into a fully-fledged system-on-chip." https://www.hackster.io/news/hackster-s-fpgadventures-split-personalities-with-amp-on-the-microchip-polarfire-soc-icicle-kit-54172f03f9eb
14:59 TR Bot; FPGAdventures: Split Personalities with AMP on the Microchip PolarFire SoC Icicle Kit - Hackster.io
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15:03 psydruid; is Microsoft Azure still unstable and unprofitable? even more so than before?
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; they kkeep numbers secret
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; and lay off people
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; and shut down some datacentres, a Microsoft insider told me
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; it's a shitshow
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; hyped up by BRIBED media
15:04 schestowitz[TR]; even phoronix :/
15:04 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
15:04 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
15:04 psydruid; they're trying to spread the narrative that Azure is built on NT
15:05 psydruid; as if that would even be fit to run such a big operation
15:05 psydruid; as for phoronix, better not to waste any words on it
15:05 TR News; Links 30/08/2022: Fwupd 1.8.4 and FTC Privacy Battles | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/ftc-privacy-battles/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/ftc-privacy-battles/
15:05 TR Bot; Links 30/08/2022: Fwupd 1.8.4 and FTC Privacy Battles | Techrights
15:17 TR News; Support.Mozilla.Org: Whats up with SUMO August 2022 https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/08/30/whats-up-with-sumo-august-2022/
15:17 TR Bot; Whats up with SUMO August 2022 The Mozilla Support Blog
15:18 TR News; Ubuntu Core http://www.prweb.com/releases/advancements_to_explore_solutions_in_iot_based_enterprise_technology/prweb18866529.htm
15:18 TR Bot; Advancements to Explore Solutions in IoT-based Enterprise Technology
15:19 schestowitz[TR]; mancity playing here tonight https://www.mancity.com/fixtures
15:19 TR Bot; Manchester City 2022/23 Fixtures
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:21 TR News; The USians did the same thing to AOC https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AwDU_6OdVGg sexists...
15:21 TR Bot; 36-yr-old Finnish PM Sanna Marin faces calls to step down | International News | English News | WION - Invidious
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15:25 DaemonFC; I just had to have a tire repaired on the Buick.
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15:25 DaemonFC; Ran over a nail. Happened a few months ago with the Impala.
15:26 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> and shut down some datacentres, a Microsoft insider told me
15:26 DaemonFC; I was talking about all the ways Tor is sketchy.
15:26 MinceR; do you have a fix/replacement though?
15:27 DaemonFC; The Bridges that go through Azure and AWS to hide from censors and firewalls mean that your traffic is probably not that private if you have to use those.
15:27 DaemonFC; <MinceR> do you have a fix/replacement though?
15:27 DaemonFC; Some of the problems can be fixed by any user, like not going to DuckDuckGo (Microsoft).
15:30 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> I just had to have a tire repaired on the Buick.
15:30 schestowitz[TR]; that sucks
15:30 schestowitz[TR]; even worse than when it happens on a bicycle
15:31 DaemonFC; TPMS warned me about it, so I pulled over at the shop.
15:31 DaemonFC; The Buick is new enough that it has direct TPMS and will even warn you which tire it is.
15:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], "Conservatives miss the point when they call for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to be defunded. The problem of groomers and pedophiles and sickos in Hollywood and HBO came about in Sesame Street from the defunding and privatizing of CPB/NPR/PBS in the first place. We didn't have any of these rich California sickos and perverts brainwashing the kids when Sesame Street was produced and funded by taxpayer money."
15:32 DaemonFC; How does that sound?
15:34 DaemonFC; It's utter depravity. What made Sesame Street so great is that they didn't used to allow bullshit.
15:34 DaemonFC; Now it's culture wars and indoctrination and you have to be afraid to even turn on the TV and let your kids watch Sesame Street.
15:35 DaemonFC; I just don't remember it being like that.
15:35 DaemonFC; They used to have very good production value. They used to be family oriented. They used to try to be "edutainment", and it worked.
15:37 DaemonFC; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8yiqGtZXCmQ
15:37 TR Bot; Sesame Street: Bert and Ernie in a Pyramid - Invidious
15:38 DaemonFC; That was one of my favorite sketches.
15:42 DaemonFC; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cUusX1Js6R0
15:42 TR Bot; Sesame Street: Bert and Ernie's Fish Call - Invidious
15:43 DaemonFC; Mom said she remembered me in the living room laughing over this one. She was doing the dishes and heard me laughing so hard she came in to see what it was and hurried up to record the rest of the scene on a blank tape.
15:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], You know society is doomed when adults are amused by children's toys and don't understand the principles by which they operate.
15:55 DaemonFC; The morning "news" had a guy with a slinky going down a flight of stairs.
15:57 *schestowitz[TR] back
15:57 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, was coding something..
15:58 schestowitz[TR]; Sesame Street?
15:58 schestowitz[TR]; how did we get to Sesame Street?
15:59 DaemonFC; HBO Max.
15:59 DaemonFC; Purging it.
15:59 psydruid; Microsoft boosters are calling the 10% of layoffs "nonsense" or "bollocks"
15:59 psydruid; oh wow
15:59 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Big Bird pitching COVID shots.
15:59 schestowitz[TR]; the denial train
15:59 *psydruid is glad he got to experience Sesame Street in the good old days
15:59 schestowitz[TR]; maybe they wikll even bolster their trolling
15:59 schestowitz[TR]; to show away harmful facts
16:00 schestowitz[TR]; *shoe away
16:00 psydruid; I'm not even going to respond to them
16:00 psydruid; let's keep them in the dark
16:00 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.inventiva.co.in/trends/microsoft-announces-job-cuts-google/
16:00 TR Bot; Microsoft Announces Job Cuts, Google To Slow Hiring 2022
16:00 psydruid; and wondering what is going on with Microsoft
16:00 psydruid; even though they already know
16:00 DaemonFC; Yes, people were just more decent back then in that they didn't air their corruption openly, proudly, trying to program children with it.
16:00 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft announced that it would lay off 18,000 employees over the next year. This includes 12,500 in the companys sales, marketing, and engineering divisions. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella cites a more streamlined organization as the reasoning behind this move. [...] Microsoft says that they will be laying off 18,000 employees over the next 12 months. However, they will not be going into further details about who will o
16:00 schestowitz[TR]; r wont be affected by these layoffs. The company says that it is taking this step to make itself more agile and move faster. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella has stated that the layoffs are a part of a plan to transform Microsoft from a P.C. software company to a cloud-first company.
16:01 DaemonFC; You don't get that now. Everything is corrupt. Even Big Bird.
16:01 psydruid; but don't want current and prospective customers to know
16:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1i8dXf3G#replies
16:01 TR Bot; Microsoft layoffs yesterday? - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
16:02 DaemonFC; Modern society is what you get when you start telling people that men are women are a concept and not a fact. When you tell kids that divorce and adultery are okay and just how some people choose to live, and that's fine. When you tell them that illegitimacy is a fine way to procreate.
16:02 psydruid; I'll just add those links to my original response without responding to the trolls
16:02 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft is now a clown-first company
16:02 schestowitz[TR]; Satan Nutella shoule know
16:02 schestowitz[TR]; he is a clown
16:03 DaemonFC; Pretty soon, instead of there being things that are so perverse and wretched that people certainly are going to scorn you, EVERYTHING is okay.
16:03 DaemonFC; So people are just gross and weird and take it public.
16:04 psydruid; anything about recent Azure layoffs and disruptions? Github?
16:05 DaemonFC; Illegitimacy is its own problem. It's why the social safety net is breaking down.
16:05 DaemonFC; People realize they're better off going down to the welfare department every time they have another one and saying they don't know who the father is.
16:07 DaemonFC; Sesame Street really started going downhill when it portrayed this as a "family setting" as though it were okay.
16:07 DaemonFC; It would have been better not to acknowledge it than to put it in the minds of children that it's an acceptable way to live.
16:09 schestowitz[TR]; <psydruid> anything about recent Azure layoffs and disruptions? Github?
16:09 schestowitz[TR]; do me a favour and try to find figures of github market share
16:09 schestowitz[TR]; I cannot find any
16:09 schestowitz[TR]; market share relatives to gitlab, self-hosted, gitea etc.
16:09 psydruid; I don't know if any exist
16:09 schestowitz[TR]; nobody is investigating these things!
16:10 psydruid; it's all based on hot air
16:10 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
16:10 schestowitz[TR]; wwho shouts loudest
16:10 DaemonFC; GitHub makes itself look bigger than it is.
16:10 DaemonFC; A lot of these are unofficial repos, things that haven't even been committed to in years, mirrors, fakes, empties.
16:10 psydruid; and then the Microsoft losers come in and try to tell you the sky is not blue but pink
16:10 schestowitz[TR]; gitlab: we are big!
16:10 DaemonFC; They count all of these as projects.
16:10 schestowitz[TR]; gitlba we are big big big!
16:11 schestowitz[TR]; gitlab measures how many people self-host gitlab
16:11 schestowitz[TR]; and then show off
16:11 schestowitz[TR]; you cannot self-host github
16:11 schestowitz[TR]; at best they give you a subdomain like facebook.github.something (com/io)
16:11 DaemonFC; gitlab's user interface is also vastly superior to GitHub's.
16:11 DaemonFC; I know that's not a FOSS/proprietary thing, but it's like if GitHub also looks and works worse than gitlab, that's another reason not to use it.
16:12 DaemonFC; I don't ever report bugs to anyone or comment on issues if they use GitHub because I won't make an account there.
16:14 DaemonFC; At first I was annoyed by GNOME moving to gitlab vs. bugzilla for issue reporting, then I found that the issue reporting worked better on gitlab anyway.
16:14 DaemonFC; You can't count on Mozilla for anything. They're using GitHub now and bugzilla is clearly on life support.
16:14 DaemonFC; Webkit and Wine still use bugzilla.
16:18 psydruid; I modified my comment without responding to the trolls
16:18 psydruid; because responding to them only gives them more fuel to portray you as a lunatic
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:21 TR News; Spending My Own Money for Office Comfort? gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-30-spending-my-own-money-for-office-comfort.gmi
16:22 TR News; "In the last few days I have been distro-hopping my PinePhone across many different distributions and desktop environments to find out what to settle on for daily-driving in the hopefully near future." gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/08/30/distro-hopping-the-pinephone/
16:22 TR News; "Society should be split off into small meaningful free-thinking groups ("clades"), and these groups should be supported by a higher resource-based state. The state manages global resources (housing, food, infrastructure) and is made up of representatives from each clade." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1114
16:23 TR News; "Electric Batteries are not an energy source. They are an imperfect energy storage device with a heavy ecological cost." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-30.electric.gmi
16:24 TR News; AGHMNYO Wordo: BLAHS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-30.gmi
16:25 DaemonFC; https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-No-GNOME-Device-Security
16:25 TR Bot; Isn't Yet Onboard With GNOME's "Device Security" Screen - Phoronix
16:26 DaemonFC; GNOME adds "Secure" Boot propaganda.
16:27 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
16:27 schestowitz[TR]; old news
16:27 psydruid; GNOME is "Secure" Boot propaganda
16:27 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/richard-hughes-secure-boot-sham/
16:27 TR Bot; GNOME (IBM/Red Hat Staff) Promoting Microsofts Security Scam With the Secure Boot Sham | Techrights
16:28 psydruid; friends don't let friends use Vista or GNOME
16:28 psydruid; or Red Hat, Debian or systemd-kerneld
16:28 psydruid; and definitely not SUSE
16:33 DaemonFC; OpenBSD still doesn't support "Secure" Boot.
16:33 DaemonFC; Theo de Raadt says all of UEFI is malicious.
16:34 MinceR; he's right
16:34 DaemonFC; He also said that "one day" there won't be an ability to turn off "Secure Boot". Said it in 2012.
16:34 DaemonFC; A full 10 years ahead of Matt GULAG admitting that Lenovo is a shit company that actively sabotages Free Software.
16:34 MinceR; i probably said something similar too :>
16:36 psydruid; I bought one laptop with UEFI and "Secure Boot" because I needed one after my previous one had broken down
16:36 psydruid; I do have a few other ones that were given to me
16:36 psydruid; but I was hoping the one I bought would be the first and last one
16:37 psydruid; it took years for it to work correctly with non-Vista operating systems
16:37 psydruid; GULAGBOTS will say or do anything for a big fat paycheck
16:38 DaemonFC; I might take another short nap.
16:38 DaemonFC; I thought they were going to have my car part today and it's still being worked on.
16:38 DaemonFC; Ended up running over a nail this morning though, so I would have had to get a tire patch anyway.
16:39 DaemonFC; Even a cheapo tire these days is over $100 and a patch is only $22.
16:39 DaemonFC; So if there's quite a bit of tread left, it's worth patching even a very low end tire.
16:40 DaemonFC; The tire people won't tell you this, but government regulations have pretty much eliminated the very worst offenders in the tire market by safety.
16:40 DaemonFC; There's still other considerations, like ride quality. But it's not worth paying $400 per tire or something crazy.
16:41 DaemonFC; Most governments now require low rolling resistance anyway, so the "fuel saving models" aren't saving as much vs. the cheapies anymore either.
16:41 DaemonFC; It's a gimmick, mostly, when you go in to select tires.
16:41 DaemonFC; They're having the customer name their top dollar price and then they know the price sensitivity of the customer and how badly they can screw the guy.
16:42 DaemonFC; There's quite a few decent "Chinese brands" now. The American car tire companies made a big mistake outsourcing to China.
16:42 DaemonFC; They gave the Chinese lots of capacity for manufacturing tires and now the Chinese are dropping the American brand names and selling direct.
16:43 DaemonFC; There's really no reason to buy "American brands" anymore. It's all made in China. The brand just means some of the money goes to American executives and their lawyers.
16:44 DaemonFC; They don't really have engineers anymore. That's all outsourced. When Thomson outsourced, it's not like they kept my dad around to design new TVs for them and send his specifications to China.
16:45 DaemonFC; Apple likes to put down "Designed by Apple in California." then "Made in China".
16:45 DaemonFC; :/
16:45 DaemonFC; In other words, "Hey buy this and support some prick who voted for Democrats to send your jobs to China and Mexico while he continues making six figures.".
16:46 DaemonFC; I actively avoid American "brands" that are made in China if there's something I can buy direct that's just as good.
16:47 DaemonFC; "White collar" people pretty much openly mock workers.
16:47 DaemonFC; MARISOL calls them "ghetto people".
16:47 DaemonFC; MATT GULAG wants his pizza and wants it NOW even though the person driving around San Francisco is probably losing money.
16:48 DaemonFC; Seems like every day there's a white woman that works at an investment bank calling 911 because a black guy is in the park watching birds or because her fries at McDonalds were cold and she wants the manager and the police and the police manager.
16:49 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], You can be whatever you want to be. Just don't be a Matthew J. KAREN.
16:49 DaemonFC; :)
16:50 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> MATT GULAG wants his pizza and wants it NO
16:50 schestowitz[TR]; cola pizza?
16:50 schestowitz[TR]; *cold pizza?
16:50 DaemonFC; CP
16:50 DaemonFC; Cold Pizza
16:50 schestowitz[TR]; necto
16:50 schestowitz[TR]; necro
16:50 schestowitz[TR]; cold
16:51 schestowitz[TR]; like jhimmy savile
16:51 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/jimmy-savile-seen-having-sex-5236010
16:51 TR Bot; Jimmy Savile 'seen having sex with bodies and wheeling body of four-year-old in pram into hospital mortuary' - Daily Record
16:51 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-26/jimmy-savile-said-to-have-sexually-abused-dead-bodies/5553742
16:51 TR Bot; BBC star Jimmy Savile 'committed sex acts on dead bodies' while volunteering at hospital - ABC News
16:51 DaemonFC; Oh god. Ewww.
16:52 DaemonFC; BBC.....a little worse than CNN.
16:52 schestowitz[TR]; BillBC now shilling Epstein
16:52 schestowitz[TR]; pretending only "prince" andrew is at fauly
16:52 schestowitz[TR]; Bill is a hero
16:52 schestowitz[TR]; he just visited him iin prisonn to rleease the beast
16:52 schestowitz[TR]; "well, he's dead"
16:52 schestowitz[TR]; after the wife divorces him over it
16:53 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-linux-foundation-shrinks/
16:53 schestowitz[TR]; draft
16:53 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Got Rid of 31 Employees in 2019 (When It Fired All the Editors and All the Contributors of Linux.com Despite Revenue Soaring) | Techrights
16:53 schestowitz[TR]; typo check?
16:54 DaemonFC; Looks okay.
16:54 DaemonFC; Nap time.
16:54 schestowitz[TR]; 0/
16:54 schestowitz[TR]; cheers
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16:56 TR News; The Linux Foundation Got Rid of 31 Employees in 2019 (When It Fired All the Editors and All the Contributors of Linux.com Despite Revenue Soaring) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-linux-foundation-shrinks/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-linux-foundation-shrinks/
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 126.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.60
17:09 TR News; [Meme] The Linux Foundations Boss | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/bossing-torvalds/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/bossing-torvalds/
17:09 TR Bot; [Meme] The Linux Foundations Boss | Techrights
17:14 TR News; Where LF used to be but left http://www.onelettermandrive.com/pdf/ldac_availability_6_13.pdf
17:16 TR News; And LF was in unit D: http://www.onelettermandrive.com/campus_plan.html# www.onelettermandrive.com/cp/building_d.html
17:16 TR Bot; Letterman Digital Arts Center
17:18 TR News; Linux development has long been based in Portland, but Jim Zemlin and Microsoft Sheela prefer to blow away $5,000,000+ a year (NOT their own money) on some glorified estate at the banks of Golden Gate Bridge
17:19 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
17:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
17:31 TR News; When Sharing isnt Caring https://www.addictivetips.com/vpn/location-tracking-apps/
17:31 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/vpn/location-tracking-apps/ )
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17:38 TR News; (NEW): Ubuntu: Release Dates, Web Site Work, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Ubuntu_Release_Dates_Web_Site_Work_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Ubuntu_Release_Dates_Web_Site_Work_and_More.gmi
17:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Ubuntu: Release Dates, Web Site Work, and More
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17:54 TR News; Some ways to get better at debugging https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/08/30/a-way-to-categorize-debugging-skills/ Source: Julia Evans | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//jvns.ca/blog/2022/08/30/a-way-to-categorize-debugging-skills/
17:54 TR Bot; Some ways to get better at debugging
17:55 Helenah; Hi :3
17:55 TR News; Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 15 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-15 still messin' around with too much Microsoft proprietary junk and GitHub :/ because Microsoft BRIBES them
17:55 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 15
17:55 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: 0/
17:55 Helenah; :D
17:55 Helenah; :3
17:55 *Helenah gives schestowitz[TR] a hamper of chocolates
17:55 *Helenah hugs
17:56 *schestowitz[TR] hugs back
17:56 schestowitz[TR]; but no chocs
17:56 Helenah; Sure! :3
17:56 schestowitz[TR]; we stockpiled some
17:56 *Helenah takes back the hamper of chocolates
17:56 Helenah; :D
17:57 schestowitz[TR]; anything with milk and eggs get sexpensive now
17:57 schestowitz[TR]; started with veg oil
17:57 schestowitz[TR]; let's ee what next
17:57 Helenah; Yeah :(
17:57 schestowitz[TR]; *see
17:57 schestowitz[TR]; if I gave any of our chocs away, wife would kill me ;-)
17:57 MinceR; :)
17:58 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I don't blame her! :D
17:58 Helenah; I would too! I <3 chocolate! <3
17:58 Helenah; MinceR: :3
17:58 Helenah; Hi
17:58 *Helenah gives MinceR a hamper of chocolates
18:00 TR News; OSI is now reduced to "HEY HI" (AI) hype and helping Microsoft violate the GPL, as well as cause others to violate the GPL, under the guise of "HEY HI". https://blog.opensource.org/when-hackers-take-on-ai-sci-fi-or-the-future/
18:00 TR Bot; When hackers take on AI: Sci-fi or the future? - Voices of Open Source
18:00 MinceR; :3
18:01 TR News; OSI funds GPL violations http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/
18:01 TR Bot; In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights
18:02 TR News; Severity 9.8 out of 10 https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-10
18:02 TR Bot; PTC Kepware KEPServerEX | CISA
18:03 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22081325
18:03 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/rILOjkP.jpg created on 2022-08-13 08:18:32.950019
18:03 TR News; "Opening a specially crafted file could cause the affected product to fail to release its memory reference potentially resulting in arbitrary code execution." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-09
18:03 TR Bot; Omron CX-Programmer | CISA
18:10 TR News; (NEW): LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (33 and 34/2022): Always consider: There are human beings on the other side, too. http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/LINMOB_net_Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_33_and_34_2022_A.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/LINMOB_net_Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_33_and_34_2022_A
18:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (33 and 34/2022): Always consider: There are human beings on the other side, too.
18:11 TR News; Converseen Image Converter is Available as AppImage - Fasterland https://fasterland.net/converseen-image-converter-is-available-as-appimage.html Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fasterland.net/converseen-image-converter-is-available-as-appimage.html
18:11 TR Bot; Converseen Image Converter is Available as AppImage - Fasterland
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18:22 psydruid; it's time for GULAGBOTS vs ICBMBOTS
18:22 TR News; What does this have to do with Linux? Nothing. Microsoft-outsourced (GitHub/proprietary software) openwashing services and PR assignments. https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/lfph-tackles-digital-twins-technology/
18:22 TR Bot; LFPH Tackles the Next Frontier in Open Source Health Technology: The Rise of Digital Twins - Linux Foundation
18:23 TR News; "CISA has released 12 Industrial Control Systems (ICS) advisories on August 30, 2022. These advisories provides timely information about current security issues, vulnerabilities, and exploits surrounding ICS." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/29/cisa-releases-12-industrial-control-systems-advisories
18:23 TR Bot; CISA Releases 12 Industrial Control Systems Advisories | CISA
18:28 TR News; Hitachi Energy is failing to patch Free software. This isn't a security problem in that software but in the PROPRIETARY crap Hitachi Energy is building with it... https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-03
18:28 TR Bot; Hitachi Energy MSM Product | CISA
18:29 TR News; The Linux Foundations greed and its awful priorities (promoting Microsoft and GitHub instead of GNU/Linux) is rather revealing and deserving of public scrutiny http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-linux-foundation-shrinks/
18:29 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Got Rid of 31 Employees in 2019 (When It Fired All the Editors and All the Contributors of Linux.com Despite Revenue Soaring) | Techrights
18:29 TR News; [Meme] The Linux Foundations Boss http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/bossing-torvalds/
18:30 TR Bot; [Meme] The Linux Foundations Boss | Techrights
18:31 TR News; 8.7 (out of 10) in severity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-05
18:31 TR Bot; Fuji Electric D300win | CISA
18:32 TR News; FACEPALM!!! " The affected product root credentials are hard-coded and not changed automatically when first commissioned, which may allow an attacker with SSH access to the device to gain full control." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-06
18:32 TR Bot; Honeywell ControlEdge | CISA
18:33 TR News; 9.1 out of 10. Honeywell did it again. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-07
18:33 TR Bot; Honeywell Experion LX | CISA
18:34 TR News; Low attack complexity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-08
18:34 TR Bot; Honeywell Trend Controls Inter-Controller Protocol | CISA
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19:00 starstreak; "I'm your worst nightmare" -esr
19:02 starstreak; I love Revolution OS, its so bad in a good way
19:03 starstreak; End of line
19:18 psydruid; The sequal called Systemd OS was never released
19:18 psydruid; sequel*
19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
19:31 starstreak; psydruid, are you being serious?
19:32 psydruid; starstreak, of course I am
19:32 starstreak; i would watch that, i love systemd
19:33 psydruid; that movie will be made especially for you some day
19:33 starstreak; =)
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20:23 XRevan86; CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-26-08-30
20:23 TR Bot; Dispatch for August 26 Telegraph
20:54 -tomaw/Wallops-I need to do a quick reroute. It'll be messy but should be quick
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21:24 DaemonFC; There we go. My overalls came in the mail.
21:24 DaemonFC; Shipping has been rather....iffy....lately.
21:24 DaemonFC; Now I don't have to wear a belt. I hate belts. Evil belts! Bad belts!
21:25 DaemonFC; Always giving you belt problems.
21:25 DaemonFC; Pinches here, wears out and comes unbonded. Have to buy a new one. Even belts on your car. They squeak and snap and break.
21:25 DaemonFC; Can't count on belts for anything.
21:26 DaemonFC; Can't even beat your kids anymore ever since the liberals took over. Well, don't worry. There will be a time when the state deals with them acting up, by sending the police to murder them instead, since they didn't learn anything at your house. Except to get a COVID shot and misinformation about gender from Big Bird (HBO).
21:27 DaemonFC; They killed Big Bird and replaced him with a Big Bird impostor.
21:28 psydruid; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1988119
21:28 TR Bot; Bug #1988119 Update to systemd 237-3ubuntu10.54 broke dns : Bugs : systemd package : Ubuntu
21:28 psydruid; Systemd OS broke broken Azure even more
21:37 starstreak; I'd blame ubuntu for it
21:37 starstreak; i use arch btw and my system is fine
21:43 psydruid; arch is "fine" btw
21:46 MinceR; arch is garbage
21:46 starstreak; [britney@archbtw ~]$ uname -r
21:46 starstreak; 5.19.5-arch1-1
21:47 psydruid; does arch ship with systemd btw?
21:47 starstreak; yes
21:48 psydruid; that makes it even more fine
21:48 MinceR; lol
21:49 starstreak; i could say that devuan is trash but that would be petty
21:49 starstreak; the only distro i attack is ubuntu which is the biggest trash heap out there
21:49 MinceR; devuan is maintained by people who can write rc scripts
21:49 MinceR; unlike arch
21:50 MinceR; and no, the biggest trash heap out there is fedora
21:50 TR News; (NEW): Ubuntu 22.10: Release Date & New Features http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Ubuntu_22_10_Release_Date_New_Features.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Ubuntu_22_10_Release_Date_New_Features.gmi
21:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Ubuntu 22.10: Release Date & New Features"
21:50 TR News; (NEW): This Unofficial Ubuntu Software App is Better Than Ubuntus Actual One http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/This_Unofficial_Ubuntu_Software_App_is_Better_Than_Ubuntu_s_Act.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/This_Unofficial_Ubuntu_Software_App_is_Better_Than_Ubuntu_s_Act.gmi
21:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines This Unofficial Ubuntu Software App is Better Than Ubuntus Actual One"
21:50 MinceR; fedora forced that malware on its users^Whostages first
21:50 TR News; (NEW): The 6 Best Websites to Download Linux Games http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/The_6_Best_Websites_to_Download_Linux_Games.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/The_6_Best_Websites_to_Download_Linux_Games.gmi
21:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines The 6 Best Websites to Download Linux Games"
21:50 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.2.gmi
21:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
21:50 starstreak; ubuntu bundles mono and tried to get away with adding an amazon keylogger
21:51 psydruid; that makes it more human
21:51 psydruid; it's designed by psychopaths for psychopaths
21:55 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/30/former-soviet-leader-mikhail-gorbachev-has-died "Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev dies at 91"
21:55 TR Bot; NO TITLE
21:58 TR News; A Beginners Guide to Shell Scripting in Linux - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/beginners-guide-scripting-linux/ Source: MakeTech Easier | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.maketecheasier.com/beginners-guide-scripting-linux/
21:58 TR Bot; A Beginner's Guide to Shell Scripting in Linux - Make Tech Easier
22:03 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
22:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
22:04 TR News; 6 Things I HATE about using GNU/LINUX - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pCPDWQ5yGFQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/pCPDWQ5yGFQ
22:04 TR Bot; 6 Things I HATE about using LINUX - Invidious
22:05 TR News; Regata OS 22.0.3 Quick overview #linux #kdeneon - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bp3CPsdcc-w | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/bp3CPsdcc-w
22:05 TR Bot; Regata OS 22.0.3 Quick overview #linux #kdeneon - Invidious
22:06 TR News; WordPress 6.0.2 Security and Maintenance Release - WordPress News https://wordpress.org/news/2022/08/wordpress-6-0-2-security-and-maintenance-release/ Source: WP | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//wordpress.org/news/2022/08/wordpress-6-0-2-security-and-maintenance-release/
22:06 TR Bot; WordPress 6.0.2 Security and Maintenance Release WordPress News
22:09 TR News; "The pgagroal community is happy to announce version 1.5.0. The release was driven by Luca Ferrari with a focus on production level usability." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgagroal-150-2502/
22:09 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pgagroal 1.5.0
22:10 TR News; corbet ('linux' foundation) boosting Microsoft proprietary software, which is also an ATTACK on Git. WHY? https://lwn.net/Articles/906501/
22:10 TR Bot; database internals II: commit history queries (GitHub blog) [LWN.net]
22:10 TR News; (UPDATEDx3): Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner (UPDATEDx3) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.gmi
22:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner (UPDATEDx3)
22:10 MinceR; good riddance re gorbachev
22:10 TR News; kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git - Thunderbolt and USB4 development tree https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git/commit/?h=next
22:10 TR Bot; kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git - Thunderbolt and USB4 development tree
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: dead?
22:11 schestowitz[TR]; orcbachev?
22:11 MinceR; yeah
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; did he get buried with his wife, Ronald?
22:13 TR News; New Gulag malware. It can also render Web pages. https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/08/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_30.html
22:13 TR Bot; Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop
22:15 TR News; proposing Sourceware as Software Freedom Conservancy member project https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018802.html
22:15 TR Bot; proposing Sourceware as Software Freedom Conservancy member project
22:16 TR News; The Time for Can-Kicking Has Passed: Fix Universal Service Contribution Now - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/the-time-for-can-kicking-has-passed-fix-universal-service-contribution-now/ Source: Public Knowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/the-time-for-can-kicking-has-passed-fix-universal-service-contribution-now/
22:16 TR Bot; The Time for Can-Kicking Has Passed: Fix Universal Service Contribution Now - Public Knowledge
22:16 MinceR; \_()_/
22:17 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fnews.yahoo.com%252Fflorida-anti-riot-law-infringes-195501893.html
22:17 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
22:17 TR News; Outsourcing to proprietary software (AWS) to run more proprietary software (SAP). SUSE is about that... https://www.suse.com/c/suse-byos-images-and-the-aws-marketplace/
22:17 TR Bot; BYOS Images and the AWS Marketplace | SUSE Communities
22:18 DaemonFC; The United Nations (which nobody gives a fuck about and is non-binding) thinks "protesters" in Florida have a right to smash up your car and threaten to kill you, and that panicking and hitting the gas infringes on their rights.
22:18 TR News; Last chance to submit to FOSS XR! https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/last-chance-to-submit-to-foss-xr!.html Source: Collabora | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/last-chance-to-submit-to-foss-xr!.html
22:18 TR Bot; Last chance to submit to FOSS XR!
22:19 DaemonFC; "DeSantis first proposed the law, which targeted mob intimidation by increasing penalties for people who participate in a protest that turns disorderly and allowed people to sue cities that dont quell uprisings." <-----This could also be applied to punish anti-abortion protesters if they become violent or disorderly.
22:20 DaemonFC; Of course they generally don't, so the Republicans know those people are probably safe.
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I'm going to mention the Illinois State Police "FOID Raids".
22:20 DaemonFC; It's the Thought Police.
22:21 DaemonFC; The Pre-Crime division enforcing the Minority Report.
22:21 DaemonFC; They raid 2,000 people, and find only one nutcase that was possibly dangerous, so they don't want to talk about the other 1,999 people that had their constitutional rights trampled to find that 1 guy. And when they found that guy, the guns weren't the biggest problem.
22:22 DaemonFC; Since he was also making bombs, which you can't get a permit for in the first place, obviously.
22:22 psydruid; Sourceware, Gulagware, Microwear, it's all in the name
22:22 TR News; "PowerShell Linux commands"? PowerShell is Microsoft lock-in, it hardly belong in GNU/Linux. Rewrite in something like bash. https://www.techtarget.com/searchitoperations/tutorial/How-and-why-PowerShell-Linux-commands-differ-from-Windows
22:22 TR Bot; How and why PowerShell Linux commands differ from Windows
22:22 DaemonFC; So 0.05% of their raids were people who were an immediate danger to the public, and there's no reason they ceouldn't have taken their evidence against him to a judge to get a search warrant.
22:23 DaemonFC; Of course, the liberal media never asks the obvious questions.
22:24 DaemonFC; "How would this law have stopped all "gun" crimes that happened in the past?" and "Why would criminals care about this law when the ones we have now don't stop anything?"
22:25 DaemonFC; Someone should make a browser plug-in that translates liberal horseshit to English.
22:26 DaemonFC; Example: "Pregnant people" to "Pregnant women".
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; off topic anyway
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; for this channel
22:27 TR News; Microsoft is trying to blame others for its own incompetence, as usual. Microsoft is trying to blame others for its own incompetence, as usual http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Microsoft_Makes_Linux_Look_Bad_and_Does_Anticompetitive_Things.shtml
22:27 TR Bot; Tux Machines Microsoft Makes 'Linux' Look Bad and Does Anticompetitive Things (Updated)"
22:27 TR News; (NEW): Kubuntu Focus announce New NX Desktop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kubuntu_Focus_announce_New_NX_Desktop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kubuntu_Focus_announce_New_NX_Desktop.gmi
22:27 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kubuntu Focus announce New NX Desktop
22:28 TR News; Security Boulevard: anti-Linux site. Of course Jim Zemlin and his fellow frauds liaised with this anti-Linux site. Anti-Linux is the new business model.
22:31 TR News; Months ago Microsoft was badmouthing "Linux" over 'security' and now it's doing it again because Azure broke down, adding to issues such as losses and layoffs.
22:32 TR News; Microsoft is a clown-first company. Look at their CEO. http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/microsoft-gender-equality/
22:32 TR Bot; Microsoft Gender (In)Equality: Women Dont Ask for Raises | Techrights
22:34 TR News; Why would anyone trust Azure at this point? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/Canonical_is_Working_for_Microsoft_Again.shtml
22:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical is Working for Microsoft Again (UPDATED)"
22:36 TR News; (UPDATED): Canonical is Working for Microsoft Again (UPDATED)" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/Canonical_is_Working_for_Microsoft_Again.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/Canonical_is_Working_for_Microsoft_Again.gmi
22:39 TR News; GRUB Broke My Arch Linux Installation!! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=b_KHtK2b5cA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/b_KHtK2b5cA
22:39 TR Bot; GRUB Broke My Arch Linux Installation!! - Invidious
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22:42 TR News; Promo Sprint 2022 | KDE.news https://dot.kde.org/2022/08/30/promo-sprint-2022 Source: KDE | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dot.kde.org/2022/08/30/promo-sprint-2022
22:42 TR Bot; Promo Sprint 2022 | KDE.news
22:43 TR News; (NEW): Events: Promo Sprint 2022 and FOSS XR http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Events_Promo_Sprint_2022_and_FOSS_XR.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Events_Promo_Sprint_2022_and_FOSS_XR.gmi
22:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Events: Promo Sprint 2022 and FOSS XR
22:43 TR News; "Koustubh is a veteran of Capitol Hill and public interest organizations, having served most recently as Senior Policy Counsel at New Americas Open Technology Institute. He was previously the tech policy attorney for the national civil rights organization Asian Americans Advancing Justice | AAJC." https://publicknowledge.org/privileged-conversations-sept-2022/
22:43 TR Bot; Privileged Conversations | Sept. 2022 - Public Knowledge
22:44 TR News; "Equipped with 16 digital I/Os and 16 digital inputs, the Nyquist 1 can be used with all sorts of sensors to measure force and strain, pressure, temperature, current & voltage, luminosity, weight, pH" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/31/daqifi-nyquist-1-wi-fi-iot-data-acquisition-system/
22:44 TR Bot; DAQiFi Nyquist 1 - A battery-powered Wi-Fi IoT data acquisition system (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
22:46 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Regata OS 22.0.3, GRUB, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Videos_Regata_OS_22_0_3_GRUB_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Videos_Regata_OS_22_0_3_GRUB_and_More.gmi
22:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Regata OS 22.0.3, GRUB, and More
22:50 TR News; (NEW): Security: Patches, Industrial Control Systems, and WordPress 6.0.2 Security Release http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Security_Patches_Industrial_Control_Systems_and_WordPress_6_0_2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Security_Patches_Industrial_Control_Systems_and_WordPress_6_0_2.gmi
22:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security: Patches, Industrial Control Systems, and WordPress 6.0.2 Security Release"
22:51 TR News; (NEW): Software: Chrome 105, pgagroal 1.5.0, and Converseen as AppImage http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Software_Chrome_105_pgagroal_1_5_0_and_Converseen_as_AppImage.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Software_Chrome_105_pgagroal_1_5_0_and_Converseen_as_AppImage.gmi
22:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Software: Chrome 105, pgagroal 1.5.0, and Converseen as AppImage
22:54 TR News; Fight to Repair Daily: August 26, 2022 - securepairs.org https://securepairs.org/fight-to-repair-daily-august-26-2022/ Source: Securepairs | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//securepairs.org/fight-to-repair-daily-august-26-2022/
22:54 TR Bot; to Repair Daily: August 26, 2022 securepairs.org
22:58 TR News; (NEW): Two things that will never die: bash scripts and IRC!" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Two_things_that_will_never_die_bash_scripts_and_IRC.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Two_things_that_will_never_die_bash_scripts_and_IRC.gmi
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22:58 TR Bot; Tux Machines Two things that will never die: bash scripts and IRC!"
22:58 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/08/30/the-illinois-state-thought-police-raid-thousands-of-people-to-confiscate-guns-under-the-unconstitutional-foid-act/
22:58 TR Bot; The Illinois State (Thought) Police raid thousands of people to confiscate guns under the unconstitutional FOID Act. | BaronHK's Rants
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 140.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 121.28
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23:00 TR News; (NEW): Raspberry Pi Generates QR Codes to Unlock Gates and Doors http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Raspberry_Pi_Generates_QR_Codes_to_Unlock_Gates_and_Doors.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Raspberry_Pi_Generates_QR_Codes_to_Unlock_Gates_and_Doors.gmi
23:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines Raspberry Pi Generates QR Codes to Unlock Gates and Doors"
23:01 TR News; (NEW): Raspberry Pi Turns Typewriter into Working Linux Terminal http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Raspberry_Pi_Turns_Typewriter_into_Working_Linux_Terminal.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Raspberry_Pi_Turns_Typewriter_into_Working_Linux_Terminal.gmi
23:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines Raspberry Pi Turns Typewriter into Working Linux Terminal
23:02 TR News; "I also try and write a little bit for my capsule 4-5 days a week. Right now I'm writing short blurbs about movies I've watched, but I'd like to write about books and other things that interest me. So far my movie opinion also range from 45-230 words." gemini://gem.saayaa.space/gemlog/2022-08-30-re-how-many-words.gmi
23:03 TR News; "I have some Bushnell 4x30 Powerview binoculars I can't remember from where I got them." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/your-word/20220830-0.gmi
23:04 TR News; "I've been playing with a new array programming language called BQN, and trying to solve Project Euler problems with it." gemini://bad-gateway.smol.pub/20220829
23:04 TR News; Weaning off social media and the over-capitalised Big Internet life gemini://xiu.smol.pub/1661838260
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23:05 TR News; Trying and seeing gemini://junedune0.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-08-30-First.gmi
23:12 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
23:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
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23:12 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.2.gmi
23:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers"
23:13 TR News; Links 30/08/2022: Azure Breaks Down Again and pgagroal 1.5.0 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/pgagroal-1-5-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/pgagroal-1-5-0/
23:14 TR Bot; Links 30/08/2022: Azure Breaks Down Again and pgagroal 1.5.0 Released | Techrights
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23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:21 TR News; "Ive always found HTML email to be unpleasant (even before I knew about HTML vs plain-text email), but its always been just an annoyance. However, I now use a TUI mail client (aerc), so HTML emails are downright unreadable." gemini://dj-chase.com/documents/pleasant-html-mail.gmi
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23:36 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/08/30/hiv-decriminalization-the-democratic-party-of-cook-county-illinois-enforced-it-all-the-way-to-the-end/
23:36 TR Bot; HIV decriminalization. (The Democratic Party of Cook County, Illinois enforced it all the way to the end.) | BaronHK's Rants
23:37 DaemonFC; Putting HIV patients in prison. Democrat Prosecutor Kim Foxx did that!
23:38 DaemonFC; The Democratic Party has pretty good PR.
23:38 DaemonFC; They openly attack gays and blacks and get nearly 100% of the votes.
23:38 schestowitz[TR]; it is all relative
23:38 schestowitz[TR]; in the twe-party coprporate state
23:38 schestowitz[TR]; *two
23:39 DaemonFC; There's no reason why we should tolerate this.
23:39 TR News; Wikipedia Helps Linux Foundation Spread Lies, Revisionism | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/lf-year-of-formation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/lf-year-of-formation/
23:39 TR Bot; Wikipedia Helps Linux Foundation Spread Lies, Revisionism | Techrights
23:39 DaemonFC; The only thing the Democrats have to do is go "but those guys are worse". This isn't a democracy and frankly, their statement is barely even true.
23:40 MinceR; they're careful to keep it just barely true :>
23:40 MinceR; their presidential candidate reflects that
23:41 DaemonFC; Tell me about it.
23:41 DaemonFC; starstreak thinks I'm a Republican.
23:42 DaemonFC; Everyone says I'm a Republican, except the people who say I'm a Democrat.
23:42 DaemonFC; Nobody actually asks and they can't all be right.
23:42 DaemonFC; It's because both sides have simpletons who go "Uh huh, uh huh. uh huh..... Wait! You disagree with me on ONE issue?".
23:43 DaemonFC; The first issue you get to, that's when you're in the party they don't like.
23:43 DaemonFC; I guess I'm a Democrat if the hostages at Stockholm were in the Bank Robber Party.
23:44 DaemonFC; You do and say what you need to, in order to survive.
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23:50 TR News; [Meme] The Misleadingly Named Foundation | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-misleading-lf/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-misleading-lf/
23:50 TR Bot; [Meme] The Misleadingly Named Foundation | Techrights
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23:59 TR News; "'Ass-Hat' Is a Word That Has No Meaning. It Is Just an Epithet" https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/20/ass-hat-is-a-word-that-has-no-meaning-it-is-just-an-epithet/
23:59 TR Bot; "'Ass-Hat' Is a Word That Has No Meaning. It Is Just an Epithet"
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