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00:00 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zBRpW5sEvJk
00:00 TR Bot; Bill Hicks - Corporate Shills - Invidious
00:00 DaemonFC; "I'm going to cheat on you, openly, at the open sores conference. This is a mutual understanding, btw."
00:00 DaemonFC; "We mutually understand that this is how it will be now."
00:01 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I would have had more respect for the landlord if he at least admitted why the rent was going up instead of saying provable falsehood's like mom's does.
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00:02 DaemonFC; Like, "The value of the money is going down due to inflation and I am re-indexing the rent due to this. In fact, the inflation is 10% and I've only raised your rent 5.8% because you've been good to us.".
00:03 DaemonFC; That would at least be understandable. Instead he blames property tax, which has been stable for a decade, and water bills which have maybe increased our cost to him by $1 a month.
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: true
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; but
00:03 DaemonFC; I suppose there's not too many people he rents to that understand what utilities and taxes cost, what inflation is, etc.
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; think of it like this
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; you are small
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; compared to "the syste"
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; which is bigger than your country
00:04 schestowitz[TR]; so you control over inflation is nothing
00:04 schestowitz[TR]; and so you have two option
00:04 schestowitz[TR]; make some money
00:04 schestowitz[TR]; or make no money
00:04 DaemonFC; Pay it or do without.
00:04 schestowitz[TR]; inflation will just be there
00:04 DaemonFC; Those are the options.
00:04 schestowitz[TR]; nothing you can really do about it eexcept vent out anger
00:04 frog; with my bill, they argued it was energy costs, which it isn't
00:04 DaemonFC; Yeah, nobody is happy about inflation, I'm sure.
00:04 schestowitz[TR]; or go live in IL forests
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; nothing you can really do about it eexcept vent out anger <- bullshit
00:04 frog; even when, i lowered consumption ~25%
00:05 schestowitz[TR]; and be a hunter gatherer in -10 at winter
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; well thats stupid
00:05 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I keep the heat off and just let the building heat keep it at 58 degrees in here.
00:05 DaemonFC; It's kind of cold, but meh.
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; its as dumb as saying capitalism is immortal
00:05 frog; rent consists of separate positions for heating, and they increased the heating costs
00:05 frog; it's a total scam and fraud
00:05 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: right
00:05 schestowitz[TR]; it's a huge task to challenge it
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; and the only alternative is to back to pre-civilisation
00:05 schestowitz[TR]; and you need massive numbers
00:05 schestowitz[TR]; to change things
00:05 DaemonFC; I keep telling Mandy "Wear more clothes. You're the one that will complain if I dial the heat up and we get a $250 electric bill!".
00:05 schestowitz[TR]; not even one single oligarch can control inflation
00:05 DaemonFC; Then same thing tomorrow night.
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah you need a majority of the workers-- at least
00:06 DaemonFC; Like it doesn't even stick, Roy, so I'm done explaining.
00:06 frog; with the energy bill i received, they claim ~150% annual inflation
00:06 schestowitz[TR]; they say 25% inflation expcted here by April
00:07 schestowitz[TR]; you can work around some
00:07 DaemonFC; Yeah, the UK is getting it worse than we are in many ways.
00:07 DaemonFC; And Liz Trump won't help, so don't wait for it.
00:07 schestowitz[TR]; even the price of the cheapest loaf of bread went up by a lot
00:07 cubexyz; what is the price of bread in UK?
00:08 frog; the "gas reallocation tax" is 2.5cents/kWh, and energy prices at the market are 180Euros/mWh...
00:08 DaemonFC; It's sad. The good bread is like $3.28 a loaf right now.
00:08 DaemonFC; It fluctuates.
00:08 DaemonFC; They make "cheap bread" by filling it with air.
00:08 TR News; GNU/Linux on PS5? https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7g98a/sony-reintroduced-a-ps4-bug-on-ps5-which-could-have-led-to-a-jailbreak
00:08 TR Bot; Sony Reintroduced a PS4 Bug on PS5 Which Could Have Led to a Jailbreak
00:08 DaemonFC; They just puff it up so you're paying for air, and then you're hungry again in an hour.
00:08 frog; if i am billed with 40cents/kWh, there is no way to explain the +~150% hike with energy prices nor taxes nor inflations, it's just scam and fraud
00:08 TR News; Researchers unearth hacking group thats been active, yet undetected for years - CyberScoop https://www.cyberscoop.com/researchers-discover-new-hacking-group/ Source: Scoop News Group | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cyberscoop.com/researchers-discover-new-hacking-group/
00:08 TR Bot; unearth hacking group that's been active, yet undetected for years - CyberScoop
00:09 frog; if consumption was cut down then by 50% and price doubled, this would be 400% inflation then ?
00:09 frog; per year?
00:09 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I have a bread machine. Sometimes I just bake my own. Mandy likes it when I bake a fresh loaf. The problem is that it's terrific on day 1. It's okay for stuff days 2,3,4, and only good for toast between days 5-7.
00:09 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: I spent a massive amoutn of time thinking about it
00:09 DaemonFC; It doesn't keep like store-bought bread does.
00:10 DaemonFC; But the end of the week I'm making toast with butter and jam for breakfast to finish up the loaf before it starts growing mold around day 8 or 9.
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00:10 MinceR; pre-civilization would be nice
00:11 DaemonFC; The bread machine model they made in 1998 is still working fine for me, and I've been using it for 24 years now.
00:11 MinceR; it would mean that we'd eventually have civilization
00:11 DaemonFC; You buy them off Amazon today and half the reviewers say they're broken in 6-12 months!
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; it would mean that we'd eventually have civilization <-civilisation is overrated, and mostly a euphamism for colonialism
00:11 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; mostly.
00:11 schestowitz[TR]; "modern" appliances are not made to last
00:11 MinceR; is it now
00:11 schestowitz[TR]; so you can boycott some
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; but it self-identifies as progress
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; which it isnt
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; lots of genocide
00:11 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills convinced me to just use the hob (*stove) for water
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; lots of monoculture
00:12 schestowitz[TR]; kettles don't last long
00:12 MinceR; is it a gas stove?
00:12 schestowitz[TR]; no
00:12 schestowitz[TR]; electric
00:12 MinceR; inductive?
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; mincer: electric kettles are faster
00:12 schestowitz[TR]; pot calls kettle "shitty"
00:12 schestowitz[TR]; kettles keep breaking
00:12 schestowitz[TR]; even brand names
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; but if you use a pan and the water is shallow
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; its pretty fucking fast
00:13 MinceR; electric kettles are also most likely more efficient than any non-inductive electric stove
00:13 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: yes, exactly
00:13 highest_cubist_thrills; even on the shittiest electric
00:13 highest_cubist_thrills; better to move past civilisation than try to go backwards
00:13 schestowitz[TR]; you can also boil more water
00:13 schestowitz[TR]; 5-10 litres
00:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i suppose thats useful if the enemy is climbing up the castle walls
00:15 highest_cubist_thrills; 5-10 l is way more tea than i can drink
00:15 highest_cubist_thrills; hell its even more soup than i can eat
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; no, not like that
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; boil up 5
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; 2 litres hot water bottle 1
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; 1 for another
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; 1 for tea and coffeee (2 people
00:16 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EVw7fzIP6cQ
00:16 TR Bot; The Soup Dragons - I'm Free (Official Video) - Invidious
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; and bous
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; the hob has a times
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; *timer
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; so you can set up alarts
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; *alaerts
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; like the whisling old kettles
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; *whistling
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; except a lot louder
00:17 highest_cubist_thrills; /me would love an arduino steam sensor that whistled when steam rose
00:18 highest_cubist_thrills; the thing about timers is they should work with the same amt of water every time
00:18 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/23/man-battered-officers-after-being-revived-following-overdose-in-vernon-hills-prosecutors-say/
00:18 TR Bot; Man battered officers after being revived following overdose in Vernon Hills, prosecutors say
00:18 TR News; The Fed raised interest rates again. What does that mean for the economy and inflation? - Vox https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23354658/federal-reserve-interest-rate-increase Source: Vox | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23354658/federal-reserve-interest-rate-increase
00:18 TR Bot; Fed raised interest rates again. What does that mean for the economy and inflation? - Vox
00:18 highest_cubist_thrills; whistles and sensors dont care about that, they work when steam happens
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; make sure the device is far from the vapour
00:18 DaemonFC; "Sergey Kovalev"
00:18 DaemonFC; Sounds Russian.
00:18 highest_cubist_thrills; i just listen for the sound of boiling water
00:18 highest_cubist_thrills; its good to be near the cooker anyway
00:19 TR News; "In-person. Though it might be canceled; I am preposting this and it hasnt been settled as of right now. Go, if you are near Chicago and it happens." https://www.dragonflydigest.com/2022/09/20/27393.html
00:19 TR Bot; ChiBUG meeting maybe tonight DragonFly BSD Digest
00:19 highest_cubist_thrills; make sure the device is far from the vapour <- i think you would enclose it in something steam-resistant
00:19 DaemonFC; "Officers tried to leave and Kovalev prevented them from leaving by allegedly grabbing an officers arm."
00:19 DaemonFC; Brilliant. Just brilliant.
00:19 highest_cubist_thrills; of course youd have to be very silly to place it directly over the boiling liquid anyway
00:19 highest_cubist_thrills; better to have it distances diagonally
00:19 DaemonFC; I've never heard of anyone being charged for resisting a police officer who was trying to LEAVE.
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:20 DaemonFC; Well, that's new.
00:20 highest_cubist_thrills; and a sensor on a line to keep the device farther would be ideal (and make it easier to position)
00:20 highest_cubist_thrills; some pipe cleaners would let you attach it to the hood over the cooker and position it as you liked
00:20 TR News; Marjorie Cohn on Assange and more https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/22/states-need-constitutional-amendments-to-protect-abortion-from-right-wing-judges/
00:20 highest_cubist_thrills; of course right now, very little that i own is so pointlessly advanced
00:20 TR Bot; Need Constitutional Amendments to Protect Abortion From Right-Wing Judges scheerpost.com
00:20 TR News; "I was in the London courtroom when Julian was being tried by Judge Vanessa Baraitser, an updated version of the Queen of Hearts in Alice-in Wonderland demanding the sentence before pronouncing the verdict. It was judicial farce." https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/22/the-chris-hedges-report-julian-assanges-father-on-looming-extradition-and-imperative-of-mass-resistance/
00:20 TR Bot; Chris Hedges Report: Julian Assanges Father on Looming Extradition and Imperative of Mass Resistance scheerpost.com
00:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i just listen for the sound of boiling water.
00:21 highest_cubist_thrills; but it would be fun
00:21 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/24/gov-jb-pritzker-rebukes-states-attorney-who-said-safe-t-act-will-be-greatest-jailbreak-in-history/
00:21 TR Bot; Gov. JB Pritzker rebukes state's attorney who said SAFE-T Act will be 'greatest jailbreak' in history
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; the stereo we used is almost 30 years old
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; samsung
00:22 DaemonFC; "Haine said half of the jail population in Madison County over 100 inmates will be required to be released. Many of the inmates released will be awaiting trial for crimes such as aggravated driving under the influence, aggravated battery and burglary."
00:22 DaemonFC; "Haine said many of those expected to be released are repeat offenders and previously failed to appear in court or comply with the conditions of their release."
00:23 schestowitz[TR]; it was't even a premium one at its time
00:23 schestowitz[TR]; it was the budget one
00:23 schestowitz[TR]; now we have "branded" kettles that last one year
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; hard NOT to be cynical
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; cubexyz: do you still run 1990s PCs?
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; did they survive?
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; things are getting so cheap and disposable
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; if you want anything to last youll have to build it yourself
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; 'cheap'
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; like sache of things
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; 'cheap' shampoo
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; for 2 washes
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; they make luxury model kettles
00:25 schestowitz[TR]; cars that cost 10000 to repair 10 years down the road
00:25 schestowitz[TR]; per incident
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; but being more expensive is no guaratee of reliability
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; sometimes it helps
00:25 schestowitz[TR]; if they can find any parts at all
00:25 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], The longest lived computer I've had was a 1991 model that was still working until 2018.
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; i can go buy a kettle that costs $300
00:25 schestowitz[TR]; many people sell old BMWs here
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; 100 times what mine cost.
00:26 schestowitz[TR]; and they're sold cheaply second hand
00:26 DaemonFC; #2 was a 1986 model that worked until 2003.
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; its not a kettle, but i use it as one.
00:26 schestowitz[TR]; nobody wants to buy a "preowned" car for 15k and then pay 5k per year on repairs
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i might love it
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; but $300 will also feed me for a significant amt of time
00:26 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> nobody wants to buy a "preowned" car for 15k and then pay 5k per year on repairs
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; it would be pretty silly to spend $300 on a kettle unless i had so much money i didnt know what to do with it
00:26 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> i can go buy a kettle that costs $300
00:26 schestowitz[TR]; electric hob
00:26 DaemonFC; Most aren't that high unless you buy a really shitty brand.
00:27 schestowitz[TR]; and it's useful for other things too
00:27 schestowitz[TR]; heck, it can also warm up a kitchen
00:27 schestowitz[TR]; doubling as a heater
00:27 DaemonFC; A 5 year old BMW costs more to keep on the road than a 20 year old Honda does.
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; doubling as a heater <- sounds incredibly inefficient
00:28 schestowitz[TR]; youyr heart sinks when your clunker goes clunk clunk and you know a visit to the garge will wipe your year's savings
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and it's useful for other things too <- with you on this part
00:28 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: not if you cook
00:28 DaemonFC; They keep paying me to take toothpaste.
00:28 schestowitz[TR]; and make use of the heat resiudue
00:28 DaemonFC; Why not?
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; oh sure, fair enough
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; heater went out last winter
00:28 DaemonFC; They're really trying to establish this "brand".
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; tried to use the oven (electric) for a bit to warm up
00:28 schestowitz[TR]; we're trying to find ways to reuse heat
00:28 DaemonFC; All the "brands" of consumable products are getting very aggressive with promotions.
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; bigger heating element than the cooker
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; it didnt help much.
00:29 schestowitz[TR]; body, appliance, kiutchenware
00:29 schestowitz[TR]; like they do in datacentres
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but if youre burning the energy anyway for something else, sure
00:29 schestowitz[TR]; warming up the whole building using the servers
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; for a bit to warm up <- obviously you dont want to do this too much or for too long
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; because its a hazard
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; some idiot falls asleep and wakes up to sirens
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; but the heat came back on in a couple days, and i never left it unattended
00:30 schestowitz[TR]; here, soon... like, next month... heating up a small home can cost 2000 pounds a month
00:30 schestowitz[TR]; *200
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; nor at a temp that would... yknow
00:30 schestowitz[TR]; that's more than price of food
00:30 schestowitz[TR]; in wintertime
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; some rudimentary physics is helpful here
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; otherwise you might be surprised
00:30 schestowitz[TR]; forrrrrrr comparison, my site's hosting is like 30 a month
00:31 schestowitz[TR]; inc. email and all
00:31 *schestowitz[TR] restarts barrier
00:32 schestowitz[TR]; i read that in german price of energy can go up five-fold??
00:32 schestowitz[TR]; *germany
00:32 schestowitz[TR]; maybe just for gas
00:32 schestowitz[TR]; germany has a history with gasd bills
00:33 schestowitz[TR]; you tyoo would blow your brains out if you had to choose b etween paying the gas bills and paying IBM
00:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I might cover this later.
00:34 schestowitz[TR]; cool
00:35 DaemonFC; Companies giving me "free" or cheap consumable products as promotions hoping I'll change my spending habits to more expensive products, and why I don't after the promotions end.
00:35 DaemonFC; Will I take a free $6 tube of toothpaste? Sure. Will I buy one later? No.
00:36 schestowitz[TR]; yesterday we looked for the budget toothpaste
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; could not find it
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; they had removed it from the inventories
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; didn't shrink the tube
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; just removed it
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; the cheapest now is 40% higher than that
00:37 DaemonFC; They're tapped into consumer illiteracy. People have been using "normal" cheap toothpaste for many decades and their heads didn't fly off and explode because they have a chemical they can't pronounce. So people like Vani Hari have targeted certain "chemicals" there's nothing wrong with by name, and then big toothpaste companies create shell corporations to hide their identity and put different chemicals in them and jack up the price.
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; price
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; "generics"
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; colgate is an interesting one
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; it has an upselling tactic
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; they want to know what's the most you are willing to spend
00:39 DaemonFC; "Nateoan was created by a small and passionate team of scientists and herbalists on a mission to give you the very best that science can offer." Most of their tubes don't have fluoride. I wouldn't use them even for free. You need fluoride or the toothpaste is only doing half its job.
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; then they create tiers
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; some stores will never stock the lower tiers
00:39 DaemonFC; Manual removal of plaque is half the job, remineralization of enamel is the other half.
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; some shops for 9 to 5 workers will stock only very expensive tiers
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; so you are stuck with bad options
00:40 DaemonFC; So this is not the best that science can do. It's worse than the science of the 1950s, when fluoride toothpaste hit the shelves.
00:40 DaemonFC; "small team" - The company that owns Alacer Corp is Glaxosmithkline, the makers of Tums, Sensodyne and lots of prescription drugs.
00:40 DaemonFC; :)
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; if you can still bfind the budget tube, buy the shelf :-)
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; while it lasts
00:41 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/24/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/24/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
00:41 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
00:41 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], iBotta pays me rebates to grab the expensive stuff.
00:41 DaemonFC; So I have a toothpaste mountain in my pantry in the kitchen on the top shelf.
00:42 DaemonFC; Every time I get a free or half-price tube, it goes on the shelf.
00:42 DaemonFC; Probably have a couple of years worth.
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; 2 is a lot
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; we once bought 50 tubes
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; in wilko when it was quarter price
00:43 DaemonFC; Yeah, I bought ten years worth once.
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; I did that with soap bars
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; not a great idea
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; they're large
00:43 DaemonFC; They were closing it out at Kroger and I bought it for 37 cents per 6 ounce tube.
00:44 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I ended up using it all.
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; for w while I used them in the wardrobe
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; for scent
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; but the scent runs out after a lot less than 10 years
00:44 DaemonFC; I use hand soap refills in the shower.
00:44 DaemonFC; The aloe vera stuff without triclosan, obviously.
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; large bottle
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; small dispenser
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; of glass
00:45 DaemonFC; So it doesn't dry out the skin or use lots of nasty antibacterials that screw up your microbiome.
00:45 DaemonFC; Good bacteria crowd out bad bacteria on your skin.
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; washing liquids too
00:45 DaemonFC; Triclosan mainly nukes good bacteria, and then bad bacteria take their place.
00:45 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/24/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/24/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi
00:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; there are ripoffs that are still hard to work around
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; work in progress
00:46 DaemonFC; An indiscriminate killer of bacteria all over your body every day is a really bad idea.
00:46 DaemonFC; You explain that to people, but they don't get it.
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; I still use my grandpa's shaver
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; from early 90s
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; still works, not perfectly
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; costs of running an squarium are low too
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; but the potions for the water almost doubled in price
00:47 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], About the media not mentioning Gemini at all, that's true. The media is horrible.
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; we need to find a way around it
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: let that medddia die away
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; hmm... barrier still vooomiting out multiple keystrokes
00:48 DaemonFC; "Today in the Ukraine war, we see even more about the pathetic dark depths of depravity in the human soul....and now we turn to COVID vaccines. COVID vaccines are brought to you by Pumpkin Spice Pepsi!".
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; will reconnect to network
00:49 DaemonFC; "Get one, or be harassed by mjg59_ on Twitter!"
00:49 DaemonFC; "Twitter, brought to you by the CIA, Bill Gates, and a pile of JavaShit!"
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; done, testing
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; keystrokes all go oveer the local LAN
00:49 DaemonFC; JavaShit isn't even the end of it anymore.
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; hmmm... still doubling /
00:50 DaemonFC; If you don't turn it on, "WebComponents" doesn't work.
00:50 DaemonFC; This is terrible.
00:50 DaemonFC; Mozilla Blog: Today we're announcing that we've given up and sold our souls to Satan because it's easier that way.
00:50 DaemonFC; Also, Cancel Everyone and Shut Down the Web!
00:51 DaemonFC; Giving up and selling your soul to Satan because it's easier that way is something mjg59_ did more than a decade ago.
00:51 schestowitz; i meant local neywork
00:51 DaemonFC; Now all he has is being a shyster.
00:51 schestowitz; local lan is local local
00:51 DaemonFC; Hiring even more shysters.
00:51 schestowitz; i found a way toi disable spam in new firefox tabs
00:52 schestowitz; it's llike a back doors
00:52 schestowitz; the spam is always there
00:52 schestowitz; waiting for mozilla to send instructions
00:52 schestowitz; over the server
00:52 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Apparently, Apple plans to enable HEIC on the Web in Webkit.
00:52 schestowitz; and add spam to your browsing
00:52 DaemonFC; Very soon!
00:52 schestowitz; it just wakes up when the server tells it to
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla: apple is privacy
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; apple is freedom
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; lifestle(tm)
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; the SF way
00:53 DaemonFC; I spoke with Michael Catanzaro and we're asking them not to do that. It will create a huge mess, which is probably why Apple is going for it.
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; *lifestyle
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; baker is derangeda
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; at her age, what's the point stockpiling money?
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; if she believes in open web, software freedom etc.
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; she does not need to prioritise that graft
00:54 DaemonFC; The only good news is they won't advertise HEIC in the HTTP request header, but rogue Web developers could see Webkit and assume everything with Webkit can handle them.
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; hard-restarting barrier seems to have solved it
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; i think ram being low was the culprit... and paging to disk
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: webp is bad enough
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; and swpats bomg
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; emember jpeg2000?
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft was pushing that, too
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; they sacrifice cross-device support
00:55 DaemonFC; The only thing we can do is ask Apple not to, refuse to implement it in WebkitGTK, and expand the useragent.cpp to include more UA hacks to avoid Web sites sending them to us as we find out about them.
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; for supposed "low bw ussage"
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; whiole throwing up megabytes of JS
00:55 DaemonFC; JPEG 2000 support is about to be removed from Webkit because Safari is removing it.
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; and then using more patent-encumbered formats
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; with larger binaries
00:55 DaemonFC; No point pushing it anymore. It's more than 20 years old.
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; and more dependencies
00:55 DaemonFC; No patents.
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; 20 years, yes
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; for patents
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; same for mp3
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; mp3 is "dwad" btw
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; says media
00:56 DaemonFC; JPEG 2000 would have been a perfectly acceptable format had there been NO patents to license for it.
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; owned by patent holders
00:56 DaemonFC; The patent mess is what did their own standard in.
00:56 DaemonFC; At least they seem to have learned that lesson for JPEG-XL.
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; mp4 patentsd too start to run ouit
00:56 DaemonFC; So I don't see why we shouldn't recommend JPEG-XL.
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; so HEVC si pushed
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; and AV1
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; of course
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; liek you said, not they try to push mrna for flu
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; as if flu vaccines don't work
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; and we need to weed out generic remedies
00:57 DaemonFC; It is plausible that patent trolls will come at you for using JPEG-XL, which is true of any MODERN software. However, at least the creators have pledged not to sue and have given a worldwide irrevocable patent license for it.
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; they do this with a lot of pills that people take for a lifetime
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; and buy off the generics
00:57 DaemonFC; So it's not actively malicious.
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; to ensure no alternatives exist, unless you import
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; than they make the imports "illega"
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; "heal;th hazard"
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; "why wwould you buy from india???"
00:58 DaemonFC; We could conceivably see people get sued for Opus, but I still recommend it.
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; (the exactly same product we used to sell domestically anyway)
00:58 DaemonFC; As the years go by, even a patent troll popping out from under a bridge gets less likely.
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; mpeg-la does not do just swpats anymore
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; they move to more markets
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; to troll, tax, ruin
00:59 DaemonFC; Most of what Opus does was defined by 15 years ago or so.
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 157.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 129.30
00:59 DaemonFC; So there's just not a huge window of exposure for theoretical patents.
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; patent evergreening
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2019/10/30/patent-evergreening-kills/
00:59 TR Bot; Patent Evergreening Kills | Techrights
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/07/08/fraunhofer-is-cartel/
00:59 TR Bot; Fraunhofer is Again Evergreening Software Patents to Maintain Its Codecs Cartel, Forcing Everyone to Pay to View/Stream Multimedia Files | Techrights
01:00 DaemonFC; The large majority of patents that are in the HEVC pool date back to AVC.
01:00 DaemonFC; So many expire in just a couple years or so.
01:00 DaemonFC; However, they add more.
01:00 starstreak; linucks
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; hevc is not a monolith
01:00 DaemonFC; Their goal is you may beat some but you'll never escape it all.
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2015/07/26/hevc-cartel/
01:00 TR Bot; HEVC Cartel is Not News, Only the Names of Backers and the Costs Are New | Techrights
01:01 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], It's like the prosecutor charging you with 11 crimes for one offense.
01:01 DaemonFC; It gives him the leverage to extract a false confession.
01:01 DaemonFC; Then everyone goes "Well if you didn't do it, you wouldn't have taken a plea deal!".
01:02 DaemonFC; Including my mother.
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; yes, schqrtz was hit with doizens
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; swartz
01:02 DaemonFC; The system is so good at bullshitting people your own mom doesn't believe you when it turns on you.
01:02 DaemonFC; You know what she said to me when she finally lost the argument?
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; trump evades it
01:03 DaemonFC; "Well, if you hadn't followed John to Chicago, this wouldn't have happened!".
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; zcot-free
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; scot
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; it works in reverse too,m you know
01:03 DaemonFC; Like, "You deserve what the police did to you because you're a nasty homosexual and you went to live with John in Chicago and then it got worse and worse.".
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; "i am innocent because i didn't lose in court yet"
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; "i am not really guilty, but I settled with them" -poor person
01:04 XRevan86; scientes: Are ye around?
01:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], As far as I know, nobody has objected to my petition for expungement.
01:04 XRevan86; Did scientes actually get himself into trouble?
01:05 immibis_; DaemonFC: isn't that what you say about transgenders?
01:05 DaemonFC; Probably busy dealing with the shitshow that's unfolding every day in Lake Country to deal with whether I should have a record of a Class C Misdemeanor from three years ago.
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; scientes is online
01:05 DaemonFC; <immibis_> DaemonFC: isn't that what you say about transgenders?
01:05 DaemonFC; What did I say?
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; he did not accuse them of crimes
01:05 immibis_; you just generally hate them
01:05 immibis_; and want bad things to happen to them
01:06 DaemonFC; The only thing I said was I consider them to be a man who is horribly confused about something. I didn't say they should be punished or that I hate them.
01:06 DaemonFC; Keith in particular, you know, about the mental disorders. Especially the ones surrounding that.
01:07 DaemonFC; I would say if Keith had been younger than along the way to being a "trans woman" he would have been diagnosed with some trendy mental illness that everyone wants to have now for some reason.
01:07 DaemonFC; Like Autism.
01:07 DaemonFC; *then
01:08 DaemonFC; He has some sort of delusional warped perception of reality that significantly impairs his daily life, but not enough so that he absolutely cannot function.
01:08 DaemonFC; Who makes statements that they are horrified of even seeing cooked rice because "It reminds me of maggots."?
01:08 immibis_; what is the point of calling people delusional if you believe this should have no practical effect?
01:09 DaemonFC; I wasn't stating that being trans was the source of the delusions or the mental illness.
01:09 DaemonFC; I was saying it could be part of the outgrowth of the mental illness.
01:09 DaemonFC; One manifestation of whatever was causing his odd behavior and weird eating habits and stuff.
01:10 DaemonFC; I'd say that he's mentally ill for sure, but in a way that does not present an active threat to others.
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, back to tech
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: don't take bait
01:11 schestowitz[TR]; <immibis_> DaemonFC: isn't that what you say about transgenders?
01:11 schestowitz[TR]; seems odd this was brought up
01:11 immibis_; schestowitz[TR]: DaemonFC said something about police brutality against homosexuals.
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; seems like molotov/grenade throwing in irc
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; we spoke about patents and police pressing BS charges
01:12 DaemonFC; I don't think that the police should be allowed to act the way that they do to anyone who isn't presently committing a grave threat to the public or to the officer themselves.
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; I am still being copyright-trolled BTW
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; for over a month now
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; such a waste, throwing a molotov cocktail on a dumpster fire
01:12 DaemonFC; In general, the police behave aggressively and commit illegal actions (and cover it up) towards people when there is no justification for it at all.
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; police is brutal to everyone
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; inc. gays
01:13 starstreak; they treat trans even worse
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; yes, but that's far off topic
01:13 DaemonFC; One of the dangers of the Illinois Workers Rights Amendment is the police can nullify the police reforms in the SAFE-T Act, including body cameras, by negotiating it all away in a new "labor contract", which will preempt the law.
01:13 starstreak; i got charged for serving court papers
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; and controversial, divisive among both men and women
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; so let's focus on tech
01:14 DaemonFC; So, I intend to vote NO on the so-called "Workers Rights Amendment".
01:14 starstreak; i use arch linucks btw
01:14 DaemonFC; The language of the amendment is dangerous and the positive part is already established in statute.
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; going to post daily links now
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; not much done today and a guest was over here
01:14 DaemonFC; So there's no pressing, dire need to pass this as-is.
01:14 starstreak; waiting for the gnome 43 update in arch linucks
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; why?
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; what do you need in it? ;-)
01:18 DaemonFC; It should have more progress in the transition to GTK4.
01:18 DaemonFC; That's probably the biggest line item.
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; coffee o'clock
01:18 DaemonFC; Nautilus and GNOME Web were both left out last time.
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; wqill record 3 videos shortly
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; in a row
01:18 DaemonFC; "When it's ready!"
01:18 frog; and GTK4 locked into OpenGL, cannot be removed anymore
01:18 starstreak; Gnome Web seems cool but no extensions makes it useless
01:18 frog; didn't verify dbus/systemd anymore
01:19 DaemonFC; It's going to support them eventually.
01:19 DaemonFC; The enablement work is happening now.
01:19 frog; out of curiosity, if TinyGL sufficed with GTK4... doubt it would
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01:20 frog; with GTK4 this entire project is a total write-off
01:20 DaemonFC; https://debugpointnews.com/gnome-web-43-extension/
01:20 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://debugpointnews.com/gnome-web-43-extension/ )
01:21 starstreak; DaemonFC, Coming in GNOME 43
01:21 starstreak; thats cool :D
01:22 starstreak; another reason im waiting for arch to release gnome 43
01:22 DaemonFC; Everything except WebRequest should work.
01:22 DaemonFC; That's going to have to be added on top in the GTK port of Webkit at some future date.
01:22 starstreak; firefox is kinda pissing me off, maybe gnome web will be better (once there are extensions)
01:22 DaemonFC; But GNOME Web does support Webkit Content Blockers and advertisements are disabled by default.
01:22 frog; plague and colera, pick your poison
01:22 TR News; Links 24/09/2022: pgAdmin 4 v6.14 and ONLYOFFICE 7.2 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/24/pgadmin-4-v6-14-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/24/pgadmin-4-v6-14-released/
01:23 TR Bot; Links 24/09/2022: pgAdmin 4 v6.14 and ONLYOFFICE 7.2 Released | Techrights
01:23 DaemonFC; It uses the Easylist Content Blocker.
01:23 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.gmi
01:23 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
01:23 starstreak; DaemonFC, i need privacy badger and decentraleyes too
01:24 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D710.jpg
01:24 DaemonFC; Well, for now it's EasyList Content Blocker and Intelligent Tracking Protection.
01:25 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D364.jpg
01:27 starstreak; its pretty cool that you can use firefox extensions
01:30 TR News; Weird. You never have such problems with cash. Is this smart? Does this make life simpler? Or simpler for govs. and companies to spy on everything you do (both location and purchases)? https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-apple-pay-not-working/
01:30 TR Bot; Apple Pay Not Working? Here's How to Fix it - Make Tech Easier
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; firefox still has extensions ??!?!?!
01:31 starstreak; yes, why wouldn't it?
01:31 techuser; depends
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; they kill so many
01:31 techuser; not anymore / yes
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; xul for starters
01:31 techuser; old extensions were killed
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; inc. some extensions of minr
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, highest_cubist_thrills made some too
01:31 techuser; new extensions were introduced
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla doesn't care
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; it sees volunteers devs as serfs
01:32 starstreak; ublock origin, decentraleyes and privacy badger updated to the new standard
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; theme-ing used to be nice
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; now it seems to have been reduce to some images at the top
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; no menu icons, scrollsbars, context menus
01:32 highest_cubist_thrills; they arent standards
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; they killed off useful APIs
01:32 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre just fashion
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; now, sometimes they have a good reason.
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; its true. sometimes old versions of things are shit
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: "what mozilla says" is not a standard]
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; openbsd breaks openbsd when it sees fit.
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; good excuses arent the same as good reasons
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; usually, they do things based on excuses
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; and bullshit
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; theoeretically, sometimes in practice
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; they needless destroyed a lot of thunderbird and firerfox software
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; that was most useful
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; newer is better
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; just not usually.
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; they even castrated firefox and thunderbird
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; proper pgp support, rss
01:34 starstreak; thunderbird was always trash, its bloated and slow
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; only the logos remain... and evolve
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; they're run like brands and spam you with brands
01:34 starstreak; so whats better than firefox?
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; not much
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; but librewolf helps a little
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; at least it takes some control away from moz
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; which is a good start
01:35 starstreak; doesnt fix the extensions issue though
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; no
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; pale moon does, maybe.. or just waterfox
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; and waterfox is mlaware now
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; it's owned by a spying conglemerate
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; the www will only get worse
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; better to startt lookig beyond it
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; like we did with social control media
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; better sooner, not lkater
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; linux might be the same
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; for many computers the new features are BS
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; they are not therre for most users
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; but the croporate inbterests
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; 10 years ago you waited for linux to have a major new release
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; as it fixed or added something
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; now... not really
01:38 starstreak; i don't see gemini really gaining much traction among non tech people
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe theyre using mozilla versioning now
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; the new stuff is of little use to you
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; both are tied to the linux foundation right
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; obviously linux is
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; linucks
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; linux in 2030 is linux 30
01:38 starstreak; i recently switched from brave to firefox
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; one version bumb every 3 months ;-)
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; *bump
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; systemd adopted that
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; windows NT also
01:39 starstreak; linucks
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; is vista 11 just NT 7?
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01:39 schestowitz[TR]; or 6.1?
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; was that vista 7?
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01:47 starstreak; what about ReactOS?
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; github
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; mostly relies on non-free drivers
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; patent liability from hell
01:48 MinceR; not sure why, though
01:48 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I've taken a lot of swipes at GSK for the fluoride-free toothpaste.
01:48 MinceR; i could write an "OS" that freezes without any drivers
01:48 MinceR; really, freezing doesn't need drivers
01:49 DaemonFC; "Does GSK warrant that their fluoride-free Natean toothpaste will provide the same level of cavity protection? No."
01:49 DaemonFC; "Who pays for fillings and extractions if it doesn't? Not them!"
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
01:50 DaemonFC; "What they're doing with Natean toothpaste is essentially to hoodwink "health conscious" consumers." "A deeply disturbing trend towards scientific illiteracy has been unfolding in America for decades, and now we're to the point where a "food mommy" with a blog can literally target random chemicals that she can't pronounce and, without a relevant degree hanging on her wall of any field of science, much less not having any clinical studies in
01:50 DaemonFC; support, claims that they all cause cancer or something." "When she collected her first "scalp" it was to go after Subway for having Azodicarbonamide in the bread as a trace ingredient. Without any evidence, she "linked" it to a whole host of health conditions, and then shamed them into getting rid of it by having the media refer to it as "the yoga mat chemical"." "Seeing an opening, corporate America immediately flooded store shelves with
01:50 DaemonFC; reformulated products. Which contain completely different chemicals that she hasn't gone after yet, which are also usually a tongue-twister, and if that's not bad enough, GSK is now pandering to the anti-fluoride crowd too."
01:52 DaemonFC; "See, the majority of Natean (which was interestingly, the name of a villain in the Lucian Alliance in Stargate SG-1), toothpastes say they are fluoride-free."
01:52 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
01:52 MinceR; :)
01:52 DaemonFC; "Fluoridation of toothpaste was a miracle of scientific accomplishment, in the 1950s, when it hit the shelves, as was fluoridation of public drinking water. Tooth decay was arrested to the extent that dental caries in children (who are most at risk, you see) went down by over 85% over the next decade. However, an anti-science movement sweeping America like a plague is leaving some towns without fluoridation, which costs only pennies, and is
01:52 DaemonFC; scaring the hell out of parents into buying expensive toothpaste that does a really shitty job at preventing decay of teeth. Manual removal of plaque is really all non-fluoridated toothpaste has left. It costs a lot of money to go to the dentist, and the victims of anti-fluoride movements are often poor and uninsured. They end up flocking into hospital emergency rooms across America getting emergency dental extractions and walk around missing
01:52 DaemonFC; teeth."
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 39.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 136.85
02:01 DaemonFC; "Mom never gets her vaccines. In a single year, she managed to fall out of the vaccine-preventable respiratory illness tree and hit every single one (pneumonia, flu, and COVID) on the way down. She fought with me to the point where I thought we weren't going to speak again for 10 years before she marched down to the doctor and got Paxlovid and then said "I feel much better now. Thank you!"."
02:01 DaemonFC; "On top of making fun of me for getting my vaccines and skipping over all of that, mom also makes fun of me for taking my Crestor to keep my cholesterol down (very small dose). She actually says things like, "Cholesterol levels don't matter."."
02:02 DaemonFC; "I told her, "And you can pour all of the hamburger and bacon grease you want down the drain until you can't."."
02:02 DaemonFC; MinceR, Reminds me of my washing machine that came with a sticker on it.
02:02 DaemonFC; It said "Bubbles are fun until they're not. Please be careful not to use too much laundry soap. Read the manual. Page 27.".
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02:07 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Mom got an identical washer to me and it konked out after a year.
02:07 DaemonFC; I said, "Well, have you been cleaning the lint traps".
02:08 DaemonFC; She goes, "Lint traps?".
02:08 DaemonFC; :)
02:09 DaemonFC; She was telling me all about Crestor and how it was going to fuck up my brain and then she left her Instant Pot on the stove and turned the stove on and destroyed her Instant Pot with the stove.
02:09 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
02:13 DaemonFC; I never said mjg59_ was stupid or scientifically illiterate. He's like MARISOL.
02:13 DaemonFC; He's a Dark Triad personality type.
02:14 DaemonFC; He knows that there's no biological basis for being "trans" and the "RealFact" about gender, not the party line.
02:14 DaemonFC; But he goes against it because he has his own reasons to.
02:14 DaemonFC; Just like how he's dishonest about quite a lot else.
02:15 MinceR; what sort of "RealFact" do you mean?
02:15 DaemonFC; What was commonly accepted by biologists before they rejected scientific fact and adopted wokeness instead.
02:16 MinceR; which was...?
02:16 DaemonFC; At this point they're about as legitimate as psychiatrists.
02:16 DaemonFC; When the facts don't agree with you, bullshit your way past them until you find something that flies in the current political environment.
02:16 MinceR; i see we'll never find out
02:17 DaemonFC; <MinceR> which was...?
02:17 DaemonFC; Two genders.
02:17 MinceR; and which of those two do people with chromosome disorders go?
02:17 DaemonFC; This was not controversial before everybody lost their minds and we had riots in the streets and cars on fire, including maybe our cars, and had to look away from it all or else we were racist.
02:18 MinceR; which of those two do people with mutated sex hormones or sex hormone receptors go?
02:18 MinceR; where do chimeras go?
02:18 DaemonFC; Cheaper to declare your car a loss than it is to complain about it and become an unemployable pariah.
02:18 MinceR; knowing more than 1 bit about biology and knowing a bit of nuance is not "losing your mind"
02:18 DaemonFC; Same ZIP code as the rest of what mjg59_'s ilk is after.
02:19 highest_cubist_thrills; its ironic as FUCK that to keep the master race going, nazis have to recruit from the bottom of the iq range
02:19 highest_cubist_thrills; if hitler saw this he would probably eat another chocolate and shoot himself again
02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
02:20 DaemonFC; I'm sure that the bulk of the Nazi muscle wasn't their best and brightest.
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; youtube: hitler reacts to the fucking loser idiots in the neonazi parties
02:20 DaemonFC; You don't send the scientists out with a rifle in hand to go fight your war.
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; WHO ARE THESE FUCKING MORONS! *throws pencils*
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; DIDNT ANYONE SCREEN THEM TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY INTELLIGENCE!
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; THEYRE MAKING THE PARTY INTO A LAUGHING STOCK!
02:22 DaemonFC; I'm not a member of any Nazi Party.
02:23 DaemonFC; There is an American Nazi Party, but most estimates of their membership are less than 12,000 people in a country of at least 340 million.
02:23 MinceR; there's also a "republican" party
02:24 DaemonFC; There's also a Communist and Socialist Party, combined membership of 140,000 or so.
02:24 MinceR; i wonder if the "republicans" will manage to cure themselves of ruscism by 2024
02:24 DaemonFC; Probably not.
02:24 DaemonFC; There's a party schism right now.
02:26 DaemonFC; The Trump-wing is strong enough to win primaries, but that doesn't necessarily help them.
02:26 DaemonFC; Take Dr. Oz for example.
02:26 DaemonFC; Trump went full force for Dr. Oz, he won Pennsylvania's Republican primary by a nose.
02:26 DaemonFC; Now he's doing very badly in the polling and will likely throw an election that they could have won.
02:28 DaemonFC; Unless one side or the other emerges with a clear victory, they're going to keep throwing winnable elections to the Democrats.
02:29 DaemonFC; The biggest thing in the way of Trumpist policies right now is Trump himself.
02:29 DaemonFC; He's just plowed the road to a believable scenario where the Democrats emerge with at least control of the Senate and Biden has at least two more years to pack the federal bench as quickly as possible.
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03:15 TR News; (NEW): EasyOS version 4.4 released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/easyos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/easyos.gmi
03:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines EasyOS version 4.4 released
03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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04:33 DaemonFC; mjg59_ thinks I'm a racist, well, let's back the truck up and evaluate this.
04:33 DaemonFC; You want millions of Mexicans crashing into our country every year. Then you wonder why abortion is illegal.
04:34 DaemonFC; Abortion's illegal in most of Mexico on down, isn't it?
04:34 DaemonFC; You bring in the people that have those beliefs, you get a country with those laws.
04:34 DaemonFC; Right now, it's like 12 states, but it'll be more. You get a lot of Hispanic/Latino Trumpists.
04:35 DaemonFC; It's the elephant in the room. They get their papers and then they vote, for Trump.
04:35 DaemonFC; Obama ended Wet Foot/Dry Foot days before Trump took office. Why?
04:35 DaemonFC; 99% of the Cubans who eventually vote in the US vote Republican.
04:36 DaemonFC; It's not like Hispanic/Latino voters are Safe Democrat.
04:36 DaemonFC; They're unpredictable.
04:36 DaemonFC; THey gave us Bush.
04:37 DaemonFC; Most of the states out West? Bush did very well. Bush used his 8 years and planted a bunch of Republicans that struck down Rot.
04:37 DaemonFC; *Roe
04:37 DaemonFC; So you say you want immigrants, until you figure out how they're changing your country and fucking it up in all sorts of non-progressive ways.
04:38 DaemonFC; Democrat politicians are welcoming their own demise with open arms.
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05:02 highest_cubist_thrills; how gnome works https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WpnM37A4P_8
05:02 TR Bot; South Park - Underpants Gnomes - Invidious
05:06 highest_cubist_thrills; HOLY SHIT, WE KILLED YOUR FOUNDER!
05:06 highest_cubist_thrills; FSF: yeah yeah yeah, do you guys know anything about corporations?
05:06 highest_cubist_thrills; underpants GNOME: of course we do! why?
05:06 highest_cubist_thrills; FSF: we need money.
05:07 highest_cubist_thrills; underpants GNOME: have you asked microsoft?
05:09 highest_cubist_thrills; kyle: look, we gotta know about corporate takeovers or were screwed
05:09 highest_cubist_thrills; underpants gnomes: have you heard of GNOME?
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05:40 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/crazy-russian-charged-with-obstruction/
05:40 TR Bot; Crazy Russian charged with obstruction. | BaronHK's Rants
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06:44 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf should do more than just "fight for your freedom"-- it should TEACH people how to stand for their rights. this isnt going to be taught in schools.
06:44 highest_cubist_thrills; (it wont of course, its a defunct organisation)
06:44 highest_cubist_thrills; the system itself has figured out over time how to absorb a great deal of the energy that people put into demanding their rights.
06:45 highest_cubist_thrills; ike a politician making a speech during their campaign, then doing precisely the opposite once elected, organisations are very good at tailoring their messages to a particular audience, drawing them in, and then doing fuck-all towards those goals.
06:45 highest_cubist_thrills; politics in general have become a lot like a larp event.
06:46 highest_cubist_thrills; its all in good fun and everybody feels like something got accomplished, but when all is said and done very little changes-- all those motions we went through put us on track to end up: right back where we started
06:46 highest_cubist_thrills; there is a process for turning real organisations into these larp orgs-- there are many more for dressing up larp orgs as real ones.
06:46 highest_cubist_thrills; its a bad sign of course, when people you know are against what you stand for start donating more and more to your cause
06:47 highest_cubist_thrills; when the damage is done, they will withdraw their support-- it doesnt mean things are (or even will be) fixed.
06:47 highest_cubist_thrills; this is about keeping politics in a holding pattern, getting people to spin their wheels on nonsense and diverting people from their own efforts at making the world a better place.
06:48 highest_cubist_thrills; the fediverse is a monument to fake progress and cancel culture, having hijacked itself to attack stallman and free software. the fediverse is as much a community of activists as fly paper is a community of flies
06:48 highest_cubist_thrills; the mailing lists of the defunct fsf are scarcely better, if not worse.
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; of course these progress-traps are baited with lots of messages and "campaigns" that are progressive and ecumenical on the surface. i was complaining about how fake they were before stallman got cancelled
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; and if they pose a threat to people like stallman, they pose a threat to anyone who wants to make as much of a difference as stallman as well
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; these are things that are based on lies, redirection and fooling people into thinking theyre fighting FOR the things these initiatives actually stand against
06:50 highest_cubist_thrills; its a combination of corporate astroturfing, corporate image management and crowdsourcing-- instead of just being fake and selling everyone out, now YOU are invited to HELP them do it
06:51 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman at least, realised github was treachery. he warned us about that, we should have listened. now gnu moves towards github and stallman does: well, nothing
06:52 highest_cubist_thrills; the real treachery here is that the fsf does nothing, and the GNU MAINTAINERS also do nothing
06:52 highest_cubist_thrills; the only way to free the user is to work on both technical and political solutions
06:53 highest_cubist_thrills; its not that stallman is infallible, perfect, or above reproach-- its simply that hes a GOOD person who deserves HONEST treatment. he didnt get that, and it was a betrayal of all of us (though certainly him more than anybody else)
06:53 highest_cubist_thrills; it was undeniably a betrayal of the movement, and that sort of treachery (still ongoing) cannot be ignored or brushed aside as merely a "bad idea"
06:54 highest_cubist_thrills; MOST "progress" is actually fake progress-- it sings you a song that you like to hear, then invites you to work for free and do what they KNOW is best, and they back it all up with lies and bullshit
06:54 highest_cubist_thrills; collaboration is essential-- but troublesome. stallman has done more than most of us will ever do-- and even he was hijacked, exiled in place, tortured (on some level, absolutely) and co-opted.
06:55 highest_cubist_thrills; some of the old bastions are lost to history. this is especially more true the more bloated and dependency-laden something is
06:55 highest_cubist_thrills; unix was more "trivial" to recreate, many people have done so (badly or otherwise) but gnome? hopeless. bloat is just a specific type of planned obsolescence
06:56 highest_cubist_thrills; people who oversimplify and hijack issues so they can beat their chests over "progress" that keeps going in circles (for no reason other than it being easier to fake) are keeping people from learning from past mistakes
06:56 highest_cubist_thrills; we wont "inch our way forward" against the takeover-- some leaps will be needed, some people will slander positive (political) change because it actually STANDS for something-- when they DONT
06:57 highest_cubist_thrills; fake progressives (implying there is such thing as a real one) ultimately side with the same people who betrayed us, and then speak against us for trying to move away from corruption and bullshit
06:57 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, September 24, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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06:57 highest_cubist_thrills; hey are in it for influence alone, and the progress they offer is fabricated, imaginary, and very minor. its (always) going to take more than that, and thats why what they offer is, in reality, basically nothing. you get the appearance of progress, sans most of the costs or the benefit
06:58 highest_cubist_thrills; making tiny, imaginary, insignificant changes to the overall plan isnt progress. the people advocating that will lie about what our real plans are, they will say the things we want to do are "too hard" while their own proposals already failed in practice
06:58 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman is exiled in place and he will never be back
06:59 highest_cubist_thrills; the intent (to which the fsf is a complacent, corrupt and guilty party) behind his permanent exile is no more noble or justifiable (or hopeful) than the capture, torture and ultimately the death of julian assange
06:59 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman is undone, and his movement is effectively dead; neutered-- stallmans "child" (his wording) cannot produce viable offspring
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06:59 highest_cubist_thrills; this was deliberate and by design
07:00 highest_cubist_thrills; the free software movement is dead and gone.
07:00 TR News; "This truly is a first. This is the first time Ive ever heard about the cops charging someone for obstructing them while theyre trying to go away." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/crazy-russian-charged-with-obstruction/
07:00 TR Bot; Crazy Russian charged with obstruction. | BaronHK's Rants
07:00 highest_cubist_thrills; it hasnt moved forward in years
07:00 highest_cubist_thrills; its time to pull the sheet over its head and stop with the weekend at bernies sequel. open source is nothing but a fake and corporate free software movement, as useful as trying to cook and eat a duck decoy
07:00 highest_cubist_thrills; open source is all thats left of what was
07:01 TR News; Consumer products makers shift promotions into high gear to retain customers and change buying patters. Many exploit 'Consumer Illiteracy'. | BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/consumer-products-makers-shift-promotions-into-high-gear-to-retain-customers-and-change-buying-patters-many-exploit-consumer-illiteracy/ Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
07:01 TR Bot; Consumer products makers shift promotions into high gear to retain customers and change buying patters. Many exploit Consumer Illiteracy. | BaronHK's Rants
07:01 highest_cubist_thrills; the only free software movement left is the fake corporate bullshit one
07:01 highest_cubist_thrills; dead and gone doesnt mean that free software will never come back
07:01 highest_cubist_thrills; just dont wait for stallman or the fsf, because they really wont ever be back
07:02 highest_cubist_thrills; i give gnu until 2029, but thats really generous
07:02 highest_cubist_thrills; very little of gnu will be salvaged. this is a terrible shame, but a mirror that is not part of any truly free os does not mean the gnu project is alive, it means it is archived-- part of a virtual museum
07:02 highest_cubist_thrills; im all for a gnu museum, as in many ways its the most important operating system of all time. the purpose of such a museum? to learn from history
07:03 highest_cubist_thrills; in many ways its the most important operating system of all time
07:03 highest_cubist_thrills; but if you want the 4 freedoms (including the 5th freedom, the freedom to remove the software) youre probably better off just taking openbsd and cutting out any vestiges of non-free software like hyperbola tries to do
07:03 TR News; "To solve this, futex2 will allocate a table per NUMA node and have a NUMA-aware interface to tell the kernel which node to work on" https://andrealmeid.com/post/2022-09-22-lpc22/ | Source: Andr Almeida
07:03 TR Bot; futex2 at Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 | tony is coding
07:03 highest_cubist_thrills; (maybe they can fix a few things in the process. probably not, due to lack of involvement)
07:03 highest_cubist_thrills; you could of course, also try building your own os. i think starting with openbsd is more practical-- why openbsd? its the most forkable (and most free) os there is SO FAR
07:04 TR News; "Using your mouse to slide the trombones pitch up or down" https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/23/what-is-trombone-champ/ | Source: Digital Music News
07:04 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/23/what-is-trombone-champ/ )
07:04 highest_cubist_thrills; its far more forkable (in theory, and in demonstrable practice) than gnu/linux. its NOT that i think its already as free as it should be. its only the closest
07:04 highest_cubist_thrills; to me, a free operating system means you have the 4 freedoms and control of your computing
07:04 TR News; KDE review https://prose.nsood.in/kde-review | Source: Naman Sood
07:04 TR Bot; KDE review Prose
07:04 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd/linux on the other hand, is just a blob of an operating system with a blob of a kernel. its not literally a blob because you get the sources. its effectively a blob because for these projects, saying you have freedom 1 and freedom 3 is laughable-- a farce
07:05 highest_cubist_thrills; its certainly true on paper. again, i compare it to the united states constitution in the present day. wasnt the bill of rights always true, at least on paper?
07:05 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, those promises are still made. the gpl upholds the 4 freedoms much like the law upholds the rights outlined in the constitution and its amendments
07:05 highest_cubist_thrills; and thats going SO well.
07:05 highest_cubist_thrills; the gpl upholds the 4 freedoms much like the law upholds the rights outlined in the constitution
07:05 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd/linux still puts microsoft and ibm back in control of your computing. here i thought we were trying to get away from monopolies controlling what we do
07:06 highest_cubist_thrills; if not, then free software was truly never enough and thats the fucking problem
07:06 highest_cubist_thrills; just as likely though, the rewriting (reframing) of the history of the movement by open source (and now the fsf and whats left of the movement itself) has shifted the goalposts
07:06 highest_cubist_thrills; you know, when they shift the goalposts... its not USUALLY to bring them back to where they were when we were LESS well off
07:06 highest_cubist_thrills; except in a counterrevolution, of course.
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; once the community is taken over by corporate trolls, there is no way to "fix" anything but try to work "with" them. this is as much a recipe for takeover as systemd and replacing gnu programs with rust programs are
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; we took your shit
07:08 TR News; Dan Lorenc https://www.wired.com/story/chainguard-wolfi-linux-distribution/ | Source: Wired
07:08 TR Bot; New Linux Tool Aims to Guard Against Supply Chain Attacks | WIRED
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; if you want any claim on it
07:08 TR News; "Instead, it is a container-focused Linux distribution. So, let me tell you more about it" https://news.itsfoss.com/wolfi-linux-undistro/ | Source: Its FOSS
07:08 TR Bot; Wolfi is a Linux Un(distro) Built for Software Supply Chain Security
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; you have to work for, i mean with, us
07:09 highest_cubist_thrills; you have to get permission, and keep it-- from the very same people the movement actually helped us escape from.
07:09 highest_cubist_thrills; thats a counterrevolution
07:09 TR News; "Linux undistribution" https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/22/wolfi-linux-undistro-software-supply-chain-security/ | Source: Help Net Security
07:09 TR Bot; Wolfi: A Linux undistro with security measures for the software supply chain - Help Net Security
07:09 TR News; "These are my FreeBSD machines at the time of writing: [...]" https://rubenerd.com/cartron-asks-what-freebsd-machines-i-use/ | Source: Ruben Schade
07:09 TR Bot; Cartron asks what FreeBSD machines I use
07:11 DaemonFC; mjg59_, The famous liberal whose former employer is a corrupt adtech/spyware company that helps repressive regimes take political prisoners and execute people.
07:11 DaemonFC; He's back on his Shitter again.
07:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i fought against systemd because it destabilised the most stable, mainstream, NON-bullshit gnu/linux distro ive ever seen-- i never thought debian would be co-opted and destroyed. this was more political than it was technical
07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; and of course its upstream from the fsf.
07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; who did nothing.
07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; the developers are the most obnoxious dicks with serious entitlement about what runs on my computers that ive dealt with since i stopped using windows
07:12 DaemonFC; The FSF is stuffed full of WOKE hippies. You'd think it couldn't get worse AFTER it stopped getting IBM cash to keep its goddamned mouth shut on the issues.
07:13 DaemonFC; But amazingly it has.
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; its open source that stresses technical solutions only
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; this way, when corporations want to run the politics of everything, they can work to control what technical solutions are available to you-- and you cant form a retort because THAT WOULD BE POLITICAL!
07:13 TR News; Raspberry Pi Spy Reviews the CrowPi L Raspberry Pi Laptop and Learning Platform https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/09/23/raspberry-pi-spy-reviews-the-crowpi-l-raspberry-pi-laptop-and-learning-platform-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ | Source: Adafruit
07:13 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Spy Reviews the CrowPi L Raspberry Pi Laptop and Learning Platform #piday #raspberrypi @Raspberry_Pi Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers!
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; free software never was that stupid.
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; it is now.
07:14 DaemonFC; Ironically, open source is winning because people want to get away from politics.
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; I've chosen not to have any preferences among those ethical distros. But I am not in a position to judge them on other criteria... <- stallman
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; so basically, the way you overthrow gnu and the freedom it stands for is to build a bullshit operating system on top of the existing one. AND THAT IS EXACTLY what systemd has done
07:14 DaemonFC; You open up Firefox and it's stuffing black "trans" women welding something in your face because reasons.
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; and since its not TECHNICALLY gnu, the gnu people can just chase their tail trying to conform to ibms specifications
07:14 DaemonFC; Nobody wants that shit. It's a Web browser. Fuck off.
07:15 DaemonFC; It's the equal and opposite of Trump having to "own the libs" all the time.
07:15 highest_cubist_thrills; this two-operating-system scam presents itself all over the place: theres an os in your hard drive controller, which you have no control over; theres a second os in your cpu, which most people would have to get someone else to remove for them
07:15 highest_cubist_thrills; the raspberry spy has a non-free, microsoft-owned operating system in the gpu. theres even a non-free os in your phone that runs underneath the (practically) non-free os in your phone
07:16 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd is a cuckold, quasi-proprietary operating system for your otherwise-free os. but as systemd takes over, gnu becomes a zombie-- not just in terms of what happens at runtime, but the design of the project itself
07:16 highest_cubist_thrills; we have spent more than half a decade being roped into working for ibm for free, and the fsf has done: NOTHING
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:21 highest_cubist_thrills; it wont be rot of any sort that brings gnu down, it will be pulled down directly by the corporations who purchased it just like github and red hat. the rot just means they wont have to pull so hard
07:22 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf would never sell off a big ticket item like the gnu project. but they were foolish and/or corrupt enough to pawn it off in individual pieces
07:22 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know what they got for it, but they did have sponsors-- and those sponsors have increasing control of gnu. the details are interesting, but the outcome is whats most relevant here
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; the gnu developers (overall) are not even interested in preventing this. the projects within gnu that get the most support are the same ones that have rigged gnu for destruction (and most likely the ones that forged stallmans personal website resignation)
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu is being dismantled faster than it can rot
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; the pieces will go where they go, and gnu will be reduced from an operating system to applications
07:24 highest_cubist_thrills; they will requires infrastructure (hosting as well as software as well as developer communications) that gnu itself has no real control over
07:24 highest_cubist_thrills; at this point, the technical failure of gnu to follow its mission should be clear.
07:24 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu will be (already is) controlled by the same corporations that gnu was effectively a rebellion from
07:25 highest_cubist_thrills; its a misdirection to say that ibm and microsoft werent the same corporations gnu rebelled from
07:25 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt matter which corporations controlled your computing THEN
07:25 highest_cubist_thrills; what matters is that ibm and microsoft control your computing NOW
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; and the same corporations that control your computing, ALSO control the gnu project.
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; does
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; nothing.
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt liberate
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt give you control of anything
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; because you. do. not. control it.
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm does.
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft does.
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; just like they control other options.
07:27 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu wasnt a farce-- but it is now.
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07:27 highest_cubist_thrills; modern computing is owned primarily by the same people that are working to dismantle and ultimately own gnu
07:27 highest_cubist_thrills; so what does gnu liberate the user from?
07:27 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt liberate them from anything.
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; it frees you from corporations that control your computing...
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and then hands you over to corporations that control your computing.
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; thats fake progress.
07:29 highest_cubist_thrills; what the fsf (a defunct organisation) will ultimately do with gnu will be no different than what debian has done to itself or what the owners of linux have done to the kernel
07:29 highest_cubist_thrills; this is a pattern.
07:29 highest_cubist_thrills; its an anti-pattern; anti-patterns are patterns too.
07:29 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu will follow the same pattern of destruction.
07:29 highest_cubist_thrills; debian is gone. stallman is gone.
07:29 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf is gone. gnu is as good as gone.
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; nothing is protecting it.
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; lots of things are taking it apart.
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; the only thing holding it together is mythology
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; marketing.
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; bullshit.
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu is not just dead-- it will be continually robbed for parts.
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; when the corporations that control your computering have robbed gnu of all the parts they need
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; it will be tossed aside and forgotten.
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; computering <- :)
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; typos dont matter, everything is bullshit.
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; you cant rob what belongs to everybody, obviously
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but of course you can. what else do you call the privatisation of the public sector?
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; corporations have been robbing the public domain for decades at a minimum. the way you rob the public is by taking what everyone has and putting it under the control of a few who keep the public out
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; private gatekeepers, public theft.
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; not only is that the penchant of monopolies and the endgame of open source, it is the modus operandi of the tax-free software foundation:
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; to turn free labour into products that are controlled by monopolies, who put relatively nothing financial into their development
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; open source is a bait-and-switch scam. and this is what they scored from their mark: gnu itself
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; by the time this operation is complete, gnu will not be gnu anymore
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf (defunct) will not run it-- the gnu developers will be more like unpaid employees,
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; ultimately the present fate of red hat will be the fate of gnu itself
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; it was always the plan, but almost certainly NOT for the fsf, at the time
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; some gnu developers will hold on, but you will see a shakeup in gnu the way that debian has had shakeups since 2014.
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; you will see a shakeup in gnu the way that debian has had shakeups since 2014.
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; the latter has only grown more corporate. gnu has done and will continue to do the same
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; neither project stands for anything anymore, least of all the freedom for users to control their computing
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; the avalanche has already started.
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; its at the top, while people further down are standing around saying "do you hear that?"
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; instead of running for your life, youll more likely only be fleeing to look for whats left of computing freedom.
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; but who are we kidding
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; its already like that. and it has been for years.
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07:59 highest_cubist_thrills; also, because techrights buried the chapter of the coup about gnu.fools
07:59 highest_cubist_thrills; you havent heard much about it
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07:59 highest_cubist_thrills; https://gnu.tools/en/thanks/
07:59 TR Bot; The GNU Assembly Thanks
07:59 highest_cubist_thrills; Carlos O'Donell for maintaining and paying for the gnu.tools DNS.
07:59 highest_cubist_thrills; Andy Wingo for maintaining and paying for the current gnu.tools server.
08:00 highest_cubist_thrills; this one is the most interesting:
08:00 highest_cubist_thrills; Oregon State University Open Source Lab OSUOSL for providing various virtual machines to run the GNU Assembly services.
08:00 highest_cubist_thrills; has techrights ever talked about the role Oregon State University Open Source Lab played in the coup?
08:00 highest_cubist_thrills; no?
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; wait
08:00 highest_cubist_thrills; how ridiculous.
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; this is new to me
08:00 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah its new because you ignored it
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; oregon played a role?
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; no
08:01 highest_cubist_thrills; https://gnu.tools/en/thanks/ read
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; i didn't know
08:01 highest_cubist_thrills; you didnt bother.
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; in fact, i keep complaining that LF moved Linux from orgeon to SF/CA
08:01 highest_cubist_thrills; you pooh-poohed this whole angle
08:01 mjg59_; Oregon State University is not Oregon the State
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; who ever mentioned this?
08:01 highest_cubist_thrills; Oregon State University is not Oregon the State <- holy shit man
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; is there aanything else?
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; or just that?
08:01 highest_cubist_thrills; THATS BRILLIANT.
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; a lot of linux services are still oregon-based
08:02 mjg59_; Yeah but Roy seems confused
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; better than LF
08:02 highest_cubist_thrills; roy is a markov chain bot
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; no
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; i am not confuses
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; I shorten to oregon
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; I mean the university
08:02 mjg59_; 08:01 < schestowitz[TR]> in fact, i keep complaining that LF moved Linux from orgeon to SF/CA
08:02 highest_cubist_thrills; /me typed in eliza.bas in the 80s or 90s
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; yes, oregon the uni
08:02 mjg59_; Oh you're just talking about kernel.org
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; it was involved since the 90s
08:03 mjg59_; Ok that makes sense
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; even somke of red hat and fedoa infra was there
08:03 highest_cubist_thrills; We, maintainers and contributors of well-known free software projects, are making this place our new home, fighting for the freedom of computer users and hacking the good hack.
08:03 highest_cubist_thrills; lying the good lies!
08:03 highest_cubist_thrills; https://gnu.tools/
08:03 TR Bot; The GNU Assembly The GNU Assembly
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; the smiley started there too... the :-) simpley
08:04 highest_cubist_thrills; Governance, Not Unilateralism This new home is governed by those who build it following common goals and sharing the same values. <- thats a laugh
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; iirc
08:04 highest_cubist_thrills; they split, but theyre about sharing goals and values.
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, I'm in the middle of writing
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; if there's more to it than the hosting of gnu.tools tell me
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; but they do lots of hosting
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; for many things
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; like fosshost does
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; biab
08:04 highest_cubist_thrills; right youre missing my point as usual
08:04 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont even look into these things.
08:05 highest_cubist_thrills; this is a whole chapter you just ignore
08:05 highest_cubist_thrills; its not about the individual points-- those are interesting too
08:05 highest_cubist_thrills; its about the whole chapter thats being ignored. and not looked into. and you say nothing about it.
08:05 highest_cubist_thrills; and i know why, because you said why
08:05 highest_cubist_thrills; you pooh pooh the whole thing. you said it failed
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; have they relented? why are the still wasting resources on hosting?
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; i know why.
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; because the coup never ended.
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; and pretending it failed accompishes nothing.
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; and saying it failed one day
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; then its still going
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; then its dying
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; then ibm and microsoft are dying
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; then twitter and the webt
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; but its just moving the point around and ignoring the big picture.
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; its just a treadmill of noise.
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; no direction. no progress. no perspective.
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; no point.
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; of course youll never understand this, i dont say this to help you understand.
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; unlike mjg i know youre not reachable by any means.
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; he thinks he can get through to you. if he just-- the perfect fact...
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; the perfect question
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; the perfect gotcha.
08:08 mjg59_; I try to be optimistic about humanity
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; but you cant get the better of a markov chain bot
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; it just continues along its merry way
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg is living the halting problem in human relations.
08:09 mjg59_; I will continue fighting Eliza until Eliza admits I am a well-balanced individual
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; its impossible to tell if roys nonsense will ever halt, and turing already proved that
08:10 highest_cubist_thrills; I will continue fighting Eliza <- everyone needs a hobby
08:10 highest_cubist_thrills; until Eliza admits I am a well-balanced individual <- are you?
08:10 mjg59_; Oh right that's my confusion - I thought Roy was talking about LF itself moving from Oregon to SF, but LF was always SF-based - it was OSDL that was in Oregon
08:10 mjg59_; Is anyone really a well-balanced individual?
08:10 highest_cubist_thrills; LF was always SF-based - it was OSD <- this ambiguity on wikipedia and the osdl and lf pages
08:11 highest_cubist_thrills; is something ive mocked thoroughly in here
08:11 highest_cubist_thrills; its impossible to nail down when or where lf was founded
08:11 highest_cubist_thrills; because theres no official stance on whether it started with osdl or lf itself.
08:11 schestowitz[TR]; I did not say that
08:11 schestowitz[TR]; stop distorting thing
08:11 highest_cubist_thrills; which is not really a paradox-- its just handwavey corporate bullshit (imo)
08:11 schestowitz[TR]; *things
08:11 schestowitz[TR]; LT is based in Portland
08:11 highest_cubist_thrills; I did not say that <- doesnt matter, they did.
08:11 schestowitz[TR]; or near portland
08:11 schestowitz[TR]; and a lot of Linux hosting was always tghere
08:11 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Uh yes that's why I said "I thought"
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; even OSDL IIRC
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; OSU
08:12 mjg59_; I was attempting to communicate that I'd misinterpreted you and explaining why
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; LF is just some charlatans and frauds
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; who look for the most expensive places to rent
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; when i said oregon i was abbreviating
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; my sister lives there
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; when i said oregon i was abbreviating <- i would have done the same
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; i MAY have done the same
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; its common enough as a convention to refer to a university (in a casual context where its full name has been used)
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; by the first word or location from the name
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; no eliza bot
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; just in the middle os typing
08:13 mjg59_; Anyone in Portland's going to say OSU to distinguish it from PSU
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; I was literally passing a reference number from one pc to another
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; and forgot where I was
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; no eliza bot <- thats a broader diagnosis independent of this conversation.
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; irc is informal anyway
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; the irc bot is a little more polished
08:14 highest_cubist_thrills; Anyone in Portland's going to <- fair enouguh but most people on earth live outside portland
08:14 highest_cubist_thrills; which is relevant here
08:15 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean they may have terms for each other based on which half of the campus theyre on
08:15 highest_cubist_thrills; but how that demonstrates its relevance to the rest of the world is a matter yet to be determined
08:16 highest_cubist_thrills; the point remains that techrights has always pooh poohed an entire chapter of the coup
08:17 highest_cubist_thrills; and as a result done next to zero research on it
08:17 highest_cubist_thrills; and relatively speaking, zero reporting.
08:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its very interesting that osu and their "open source" lab is in control of much of the gnu project
08:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i would expect roy to find that interesting
08:18 highest_cubist_thrills; unfortunately, to even know that, you have to not dismiss that entire chapter of the story.
08:18 highest_cubist_thrills; oops?
08:18 highest_cubist_thrills; and its certainly not roys responsibility to push me to notice these things.
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; but, if techrights covered any of this chapter
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; i would have stayed on top of it more too
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; im the one who noticed this, it would be a natural consequence that i would have done so sooner.
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08:20 highest_cubist_thrills; since free software is dead and open source has taken over so corporations can control our computing
08:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its at least relevant that osu is participating in this sham.
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; their degree of responsibility is not what interests me immediately
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; how tf would anyone know that?
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; what interests me is their open source lab is so void of ethics
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; that they would assist in this blatant trademark fraud-- lying to and misleading the public.
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; but hahaha
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; its not trademark fraud if no one sues you, right?
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; so...
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; what theyre doing is
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; seeing to it that gnu enters the public domain
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; its being defrauded. fsf isnt challenging it.
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; osi suffered the same fate
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; techrights reported on osi losing its trademark status
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; but as the same thing happens to gnu-- NO STORY!
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; no defense-- no trademark. its not like copyright or patents as stallman is fond of pointing out
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; you can call anything gnu now
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; see if they stop you
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; fsfe-- similar problem
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; fsf used to care
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; now they dont
08:23 mjg59_; I don't think there's been any OSI trademark dispute since 1998?
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; you can call anything the free software foundation
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08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; I don't think there's been any OSI trademark dispute since 1998 <- there cant be
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; open source fell into the public domain
08:24 mjg59_; OSI still holds trademarks, but they never actually attempted to claim "Open Source"
08:24 mjg59_; Bruce Perens just fucked that up
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; they cried about it but they didnt gnash and wail their teeth because it wouldnt change the past.
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; Bruce Perens just fucked that up <- and now the fsf does.
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; so does gnu.
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08:25 mjg59_; But in any case, if you're worried about dilution of GNU, gnuplot has been around since 1986
08:25 highest_cubist_thrills; wail and gnash their teeth rather
08:25 highest_cubist_thrills; if you're worried about dilution of GNU <- im not worried. its too late to change the past.
08:25 highest_cubist_thrills; gnuplot has been around since 1986 <- yes this came up before
08:25 highest_cubist_thrills; its not about concern
08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; when people are strapped in in the death chamber, they might be frightened
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08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; but they know theres nothing left to be done
08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu will not be saved
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; im simply interested in how it will die
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; it exists in a number of ways
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; trademark is one of the ways in which it exists
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; trademark is one of the ways in which it will die
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; trademarks that are undefended pass into the public domain
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu is already headed there-- the same fate as open source, which now pretty much means microsoft
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; the press is already being handed their pencils and pads and having their phones taken.
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but they wont write about it
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; they dont even need the pencils and pads
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; they can just make up the news
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; its all marketing now anyway
08:30 highest_cubist_thrills; there are even more important ways in which gnu is a dead project walking
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; those are also ignored
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; techrights has a history of ignoring the systemd takeover
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; hes been warned since 2011
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; if he had taken interest instead of pooh poohing it, if he had looked into it properly and written honestly
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; then techrights readers wouldnt have been surprised by what happened to debian in 2014-2015
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; instead, it came as a surprise. point being.
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; when gnu is declared dead
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; it will come as a surprise to those who werent told
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; or who ignored most of it as it happened
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; it will be less of a surprise to those who have been talking about it for years.
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; at least the ones who are interested in facts and context
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; and obviously the coup doesnt consider themselves death
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; they mistake themselves for life
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; but death does not care about you or me
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; and if they kill gnu through their hubris
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; they will just whistle a happy tune and go kill something else instead
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08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; "We contribute to projects that go back to the roots of free software. "
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah. a lot of you work for ibm and help them hijack gcc and gdb.
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; so thats true.
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre attacking gnu at the very roots.
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; a great way for it to die.
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; Our interactions in this project are subject to its code of conduct. <- this was foisted on the gnu project when stallman was fraudulently shown to have resigned
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; the coup is based o lies to the public.
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; lies about stallman.
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; lies about gnu governance.
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; lies about freedom.
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; and handing gnu over to corporations.
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; in other words, its open source.
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; this is the same thing osi did
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; osi doesnt have to anymore
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; osi was a big (Circus) tent outside the fsf for ages
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; now theyve moved in
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft moved into osi
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; then osi moved into the fsf
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; ms-fsf. hooray for fake progress.
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm, ms, doesnt matter
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; theyve always been the same company.
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; except when microsoft didnt exist
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; dos: that was ibm. without ibm, it wasnt even microsoft.
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm offered basic on a rom cart.
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; they didnt write it.
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; that was microsoft
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft is just an avatar of ibm
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08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; like one of the many avatars of krishna
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08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm engineered the holocaust
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf is dead and controlled by actual nazis
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; hooray for sjws.
08:41 highest_cubist_thrills; its funny how when you zero in on the tiniest fucking details, as if nothing else matters...
08:41 highest_cubist_thrills; everything else falls apart.
08:42 highest_cubist_thrills; so we shouldnt be surprised that everything is destroyed
08:42 highest_cubist_thrills; after all
08:42 highest_cubist_thrills; everyone stopped giving a shit about everythign but the smallest little shit.
08:42 highest_cubist_thrills; and all decisions were based on things that were fucking made up.
08:42 highest_cubist_thrills; fiction is doing BEAUTIFULLY well
08:42 highest_cubist_thrills; so is ibm
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but reality is sucking pretty fucking hard.
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; everyone has their priorities, i guess.
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; except free software, which no longer exists.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; "post stallman free software" the article read
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08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; nope.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; ANTI-stallman free software.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; like anti-einstein relativity
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; they didnt cancel stallman
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; they destroyed the fsf.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; they destroyed gnu.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; they killed free software.
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; when iraq was invaded, they promised it would be quick
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; saddam would fall
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; iraq would improve
08:45 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; the critics said:
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; it will be drawn out for years --- they were laughed at
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i was one of them
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; they said: saddams fall would create a power vacuum-- they were laughed at
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i was one of them
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; they said iraq will get worse
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what happened
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; it was drawn out for years.
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; saddams fall created a power vacuum.
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; things have only gotten worse.
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; what happened to the fsf and what happened to iraq--
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; they were predictable
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; they were predicted.
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; they worked out similarly
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; iraq is even worse now
08:47 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> I try to be optimistic about humanity
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf is even worse now
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole thing was based on lies.
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; it was incredibly savage
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf censored supporters
08:47 DaemonFC; That's nice. Arsonists, dog fuckers, mother fuckers, father fuckers, kiddie fuckers, murderers, looters, muggers......
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; the usa government censored-- even fired on journalists.
08:47 DaemonFC; And you have faith in humanity.
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; tanks fired at a hotel with journalists in it.
08:47 DaemonFC; Cool beans, bro!
08:47 DaemonFC; Tell it walking.
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; why?
08:48 highest_cubist_thrills; this is just imperialism
08:48 highest_cubist_thrills; imperialists can use people-- suckers-- patsies--
08:48 highest_cubist_thrills; people who think theyre fighting the good fight
08:48 highest_cubist_thrills; that dont know (or dont care) what theyre destroying
08:48 highest_cubist_thrills; what theyre doing
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08:48 TR News; You move sixteen tons, and what do you get? Another inch over and deeper in exhaustion gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/09/24.1
08:48 highest_cubist_thrills; same thing happened in iraq and the fsf
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; imperial takeover
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; lies
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; bullshit
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; predictable, needless destruction
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; the corporations will cry all the way to the bank
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm can keep building their empire unmitigated by any free software movement
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; they can exploit gcc as much as they want
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; for them, not for us
08:50 DaemonFC; mjg59_, The best thing about humans is what kills the good guys kills the bad guys.
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu can fall apart.
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; it will.
08:50 DaemonFC; So saddle up. Lock and load!
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm doesnt care
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft IS ibm.
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; the free software movement was destroyed by imperialist nazis
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; " We, maintainers and contributors of well-known free software projects, are making this place our new home, fighting for the freedom of computer users and hacking the good hack."
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah,
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; support the troops!
08:51 DaemonFC; There's no hope for humans.
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> <mjg59_> I try to be optimistic about humanity
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; its all bullshit.
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; then stop harassing it
08:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_ calls this world progress. 70 years ago, a serial killer anywhere in America was front page news.
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> then stop harassing it <- i dont know who youre addressing or what you mean
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; fight crime, not people who fight against crime
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: bad timing
08:52 highest_cubist_thrills; doesnt matter
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; due to overlapping voices
08:52 highest_cubist_thrills; alas, irc
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; :D
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; brb
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; readjusting here
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; trying a new method of making more videos per day, 3-5
08:53 schestowitz[TR]; irc is lovely though
08:53 highest_cubist_thrills; fsvo lovely
08:53 schestowitz[TR]; it's just that I totally lost my train of thought earlier while writing an article
08:53 DaemonFC; Now there's poverty, crime, corruption. All kinds of insanity breaking out. People are really fucking dumb and it's all around you. And mjg59_ is glad because at least nobody cares about a man with a fake cooch anymore.
08:53 schestowitz[TR]; irc is for all ages.. of PCs
08:53 highest_cubist_thrills; better than dicksword
08:53 schestowitz[TR]; Mark ( cubexyz ) still uses PCs from the 1990s
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techrights-backward-compatible/
08:54 TR Bot; Techrights Compatible With Computers From 30+ Years Ago | Techrights
08:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I saw some Mormons at Taco Bell earlier. It was nice to see some respectful young men wearing suits and not tatted up for a change.
08:54 DaemonFC; They have their work cut out for them in Waukegan.
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; mormons are not the worst
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; they are well educated
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; they score highly in the usa
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; exams, sats, etc.
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; maybe mormonsss worked at novell
08:55 highest_cubist_thrills; they invented javascript
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; it's a mormon company
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; i think noorda too was a mormon
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; ah, yyyou said eich was mormon iirc
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; which I did not know
08:55 highest_cubist_thrills; he is mormon
08:55 highest_cubist_thrills; thats how he got himself cancelled
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; eich seems to fancy techrights on some issues
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; which is not a badge of hoinnour
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; but it was related to tech rights, not politics
08:55 DaemonFC; The Mormon church is backpeddling on their anti-LGBT stance quite a bit.
08:56 DaemonFC; Takes time for things to change.
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; and black priests
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; like I said, mormoms are not the worst
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; I refused to bash novell over it
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; mormons are not the worst
08:56 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah for years they woudlnt allow blacks to become priests
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; they make good families
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; maybe too large
08:56 highest_cubist_thrills; they said black skin was a curse from god
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; and educate them well;
08:56 DaemonFC; Well, at least mjg59_ won't reproduce.
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; aaamish are also not too bad
08:57 schestowitz[TR]; need to restart barrier
08:57 schestowitz[TR]; typing issues
08:57 highest_cubist_thrills; amish are a mixed bag
08:57 DaemonFC; He's not with a "people who get pregnant".
08:57 highest_cubist_thrills; they act like a cult
08:57 highest_cubist_thrills; they use some cult practices
08:57 highest_cubist_thrills; but hey, so do the fsf.
08:57 highest_cubist_thrills; the new one
08:58 DaemonFC; Hmm, I wonder if there's anything I can use to doctor up that cabbage casserole with tomorrow.
08:58 DaemonFC; It wasn't bad, it just needed something.
08:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i defend, in a very general way
08:59 highest_cubist_thrills; both religious beliefs, and religious practices
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 59.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.88
08:59 highest_cubist_thrills; across most or perhaps all of the religious spectrum
08:59 highest_cubist_thrills; with caveats
08:59 DaemonFC; I might add some italian seasoning to it next time.
08:59 highest_cubist_thrills; religions are used to control people
09:00 DaemonFC; Or mix some in and nuke the leftovers.
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> Well, at least mjg59_ won't reproduce.
09:00 highest_cubist_thrills; im against most of that control
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; but needs 6-figure salaries lol
09:00 highest_cubist_thrills; some people will say any belief is control
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; to pay lawyers to terrify my wife
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; through the post
09:00 highest_cubist_thrills; so the atheism becomes law-- like that isnt control
09:01 DaemonFC; mjg59_ will have a legacy. One day he'll die and he'll have made the world no better. And he won't have even produced an heir to leave anything to.
09:01 highest_cubist_thrills; just let people have their beliefs
09:01 DaemonFC; That's why he hates Stallman so much.
09:01 DaemonFC; Stallman has a legacy and will be remembered well.
09:01 highest_cubist_thrills; then if they torture each other, or do other horrible things-- go after those things
09:01 DaemonFC; mjg59_ not so much.
09:01 highest_cubist_thrills; not the "silly" beliefs they have, which dont matter
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; reason being, everyone has silly beliefs
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; some are religious, some arent
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; what really matters is what people do with those beliefs
09:02 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], You can pay a lawyer to do anything. They'll take your money and then laugh at you when you leave their office.
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; amish shun-- this is collective torture
09:02 DaemonFC; Like MARISOL.
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; mormons do the same
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; mormons push incredible homophobia, but so did society in general just a few decades ago
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; (it doesnt as much as it used to)
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; the homophobia is a real problem
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; beheading mozilla didnt really change that
09:04 highest_cubist_thrills; mormons should be criticised for the homophobia
09:04 highest_cubist_thrills; corporations discriminating against religions give them more power than i think we went them to have
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; if eich acted homophobic at work thats a workplace problem
09:05 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, September 24, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/irc-log-240922/ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/irc-log-240922/
09:05 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, September 24, 2022 | Techrights
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; if he funded an organisation that was homophobic, i mean
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; mormons tithe 10% of their income
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; the lds church is literally a corporation
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its a tax free corporation
09:06 TR News; "KaTeX is a web-based mathematics typesetting library, similar to the erstwhile untouchable MathJax." https://yingtongli.me/blog/2022/09/24/katex-custom-fonts.html | Source: Lee Yingtong Li
09:06 TR Bot; Custom fonts in KaTeX
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; so the amount that eich gave to some stupid group is NOTHING compared to what he gives the church
09:06 TR News; "Time for another Alpha release for the upcoming Version 20 "Nexus" release of Kodi" https://kodi.tv/article/kodi-nexus-alpha-3/ |
09:06 TR Bot; Kodi "Nexus" Alpha 3 | News | Kodi
09:06 DaemonFC; GNU Icecat got updated to 102.3 in Fedora.
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; the church itself is a homophobic organisation
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; but
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; do you want corporations firing people based on what church they go to
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; that would be a horrible precident
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; no, so we go after the MUCH smaller donation to the MUCH smaller organisation
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; what. bullshit.
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; it was just an excuse to put a fraud in charge
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; and kick out the only person that gave a shit about mozilla and its users.
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; same thing happened at the fsf.
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; only this time it wasnt even about the actual person
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; it was about the made up version of that person.
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; made up stallman is a bad bad bad man
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; lets get him
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; hey, theres he is!
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; wait, thats actual stallman, not the one you made u--
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; who cares! seize him!
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; oh well
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; fsf will die like mozilla did.
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; fsf is run by its treasurer
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; mozilla is also run by its treasurer
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; shes gets all the money
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; doesnt that make her the de facto treasurer
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; these organsiations arent about their causes anymore
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre only about money
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; it makes perfect sense to put the treasurer at the heml
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; helm-- theyre the only person the entire org
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; actually doing what it now exists to do!
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; move money around
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm is only about money
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft is only about money
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; now mozilla and fsf are only about money
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; open source-- only about money
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; what freedom?
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; the freedom to be forced to run systemd
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman isnt qualified to say anything
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; he said so himself
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; its a fully free distro
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; the license proves it
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; who controls the project
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm and microsoft
09:12 TR News; Browsers and them 'supporting' TLS certificate transparency https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/BrowsersAndCertTrans | Source: uni Toronto
09:12 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/BrowsersAndCertTrans
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; its free, trust us
09:13 highest_cubist_thrills; mono/linux
09:13 TR News; "When programming, it can be wasteful to store the same constant data again and again." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/09/23/optimizing-compilers-deduplicate-strings-and-arrays/ | Source: Daniel Lemire
09:13 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/09/23/optimizing-compilers-deduplicate-strings-and-arrays/ )
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; oh, btw, we mostly defeated mono
09:13 highest_cubist_thrills; but since gnu is in the public domain now
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; many people aid it would not happen
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; and was not possible
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; too late
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; etc
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; mono was gradually removed from more things
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; eventually fedora also
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; it can still creep in
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; there was an actual boycott of mono.
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; but mono is a tiny niche now
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; and its founder left microsoft
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; yes, big boycott
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; we led the boycott at the time
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; it was a novell product
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; wheres the big boycott of ibm and/or systemd
09:14 TR News; "This is the sixth post in my toolchains adventures series." https://www.cambus.net/toolchains-adventures-q3-2022/ | Source: Frederic Cambus
09:14 TR Bot; Toolchains adventures - Q3 2022 | Frederic Cambus
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; we don't boycott icbm
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; but condemn them a lot
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm is destroying gnu
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; same for red hat
09:15 highest_cubist_thrills; more than mono was a threat to free software
09:15 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; because icbm is defaming the freesw community
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; and we then react
09:15 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont boycott them.
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; by showing their hypocrisy
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; which we did even proactively
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; in 2020 I wrote a lot about their past
09:15 highest_cubist_thrills; youre letting gnu die.
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; as it would turn out to be handy the following year
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; no
09:15 highest_cubist_thrills; yes.
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; zoe lets it die
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; i do what I can
09:15 highest_cubist_thrills; you let zoe let it die.
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; zoe goes along with it
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; "can't code, has blond hair"
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; but I nlike her
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; she is a good lead/head
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; for fsf
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; shes useless to me.
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; it's just that she won't fight
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; she dubs the videos
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; of gnu and fsf
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; and she is polite
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; but too polite
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; | she is a good lead/head <- which is it
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; too diplomatic
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; not revolutionary
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; zoe lets it die
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; even greg is more revolutionary
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; | she is a good lead/head <- which is it
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; fucking hell
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; she is good pr
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; but good pr is for sponsors
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; not for a revolution
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; zoe lets it die | she is a good lead/head <- which is it
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; libera.chat likes her
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; it woudlnt paste.
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; libera.chat likes her
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; and some people ther edislike rms
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; <- theyre anti stallman
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; some are
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; not all
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; they banned people for being pro rms.
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; some
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; /me shakes his head
09:18 TR News; "Time and time again we find ourselves with problems where we wonder to what extent is this a deliberately planned behavior" https://idiomdrottning.org/evolved-behavior | Source: Idiomdrottning
09:18 TR Bot; Planned vs evolved behavior
09:18 TR News; "I recently read the Gaussian Blue Noise paper by Ahmed et al." https://bartwronski.com/2022/08/31/progressive-image-stippling-and-greedy-blue-noise-importance-sampling/ |
09:18 TR Bot; Progressive image stippling and greedy blue noise importance sampling | Bart Wronski
09:18 DaemonFC; I might review GNU Icecat tomorrow.
09:18 DaemonFC; Fedora just bumped it to 102.3
09:18 DaemonFC; It tracks Firefox ESR.
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; stalin: dont stop the invasion! you might provoke them!
09:18 TR News; "Any way I took it myself to analyse the situation and have finally come to the conclusion that we may be looking at the "problem"..." http://blogs.perl.org/users/saif/2022/09/perls-before-splines.html | Source: Perl
09:18 TR Bot; Perls before Splines | Saif [blogs.perl.org]
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09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; also stalin: kills everyone who might be able to strategise
09:19 TR News; "It was only after lunch did I realize that none of us had to write a program. No, all it would have taken was running: [...]" http://boston.conman.org//2022/08/31.1 |
09:19 TR Bot; We could have skipped writing a program - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; join us and help us stand down for your freedom!
09:19 TR News; "But on another level, this is concerning. Even though Microsoft announced this three years ago" http://boston.conman.org//2022/09/22.1 |
09:19 TR Bot; So when did POP and IMAP become a legacy protocol? - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; fraud.
09:19 TR News; [Old] "first: set email type to plaintext-only. this email account will only ever send or receive text." https://j3s.sh/thought/there-is-beauty-in-the-minimalism-of-email.html |
09:19 TR Bot; jes post
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; all of this is masturbatory
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; join us and help us fap for your freedom
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre only making a mess
09:24 TR News; "Today, MathB.in is the oldest mathematics pastebin that is still alive and serving its community of users" https://susam.net/blog/mathbin-turns-10.html | Source: SusamPal
09:24 TR Bot; MathB.in Turns 10 - Susam Pal
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; not for a revolution <- good pr is doing nothing for freedom
09:24 TR News; "If youve been involved in Mission Zero before, you will notice lots of things have changed." https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/09/23/astro-pi-mission-zero-2022-23-is-open-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ | Source: Adafruit
09:24 TR Bot; Astro Pi Mission Zero 2022/23 is Open #piday #raspberrypi @Raspberry_Pi Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers!
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre just covering up the fact that they have nothing left to fight with
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; thats all "good pr" is doing
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; lying the good lie.
09:25 TR News; "This crystalized during a 1948 expedition to Pennsylvanias Conestoga Rivera body of water heavily polluted by sewage and industrial runoff." https://www.wired.com/story/philadelphias-diatom-archive-is-a-way-way-wayback-machine/ | Source: Wired
09:25 TR Bot; Diatom Archive Is a Way, Way, Wayback Machine | WIRED
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; zoe is a good liar.
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; a good bullshitter.
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; shes good at getting people to ignore the reality of the situation.
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; lie-bera.chat likes her
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; who cares
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont blame zoe for the state of the fsf
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; it was already destroyed when she got her position
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; shes useless.
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf is also useless.
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; useless + useless = useless
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; you like her
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; so what?
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; that has nothing to do with the fsf.
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; who fights for our freedom?
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; no one.
09:29 TR News; "First things first, what do we mean by nothing? A first attempt to define nothing is to look at how we use the word in everyday language." http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2022/09/what-is-nothing.html | Source: Sabine Hossenfelder
09:29 TR Bot; Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: What is "Nothing"?
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but we like them anyway-- so what?
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; that has nothing to do with anything.
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; not for a revolution <- who is good for a revolution?
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; no one.
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; zoe responded to the toolchain coup recently
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; who is good for our freedom?
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; n one
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; zoe responded to the toolchain coup recently <- with good pr?
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; was phrased a lot more bureaucratically than rms
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; doesnt matter
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; and sent by greg
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; first as html email
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; then as plain text
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; was phrased a lot more bureaucratically than rms <- so shes watering down things
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; not sure why fsf would send a web page as 'email
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; but they corrected it as the archive could not process it properly
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; they already decided not to pursue
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; so anything they say is just posturing.
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; thats still just pr.
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; at least a real rms version would contain a point.
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but hes exiled in place
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe greg will let him out-- no he wont
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; who from the fsf signed the support letter?
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; the current fsf.
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; not the people who have no bearing on any of this.
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/sfc-mark.png
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; sept. 16th
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; zoe
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018847.html
09:32 TR Bot; Sourceware / GNU Toolchain at Cauldron
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; "The message was accidentally not plain text, I'm replying just to make a
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; plain text version so it is readable in the archive:"
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; sent via Ian Kelling
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; (board)
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; not greg
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018843.html
09:33 TR Bot; Sourceware / GNU Toolchain at Cauldron
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018842.html
09:33 TR Bot; Sourceware / GNU Toolchain at Cauldron
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; zoe sent a web page
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; as email
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; cannot see headers
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; wonder what software was used to sent mail
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; cannot see msg-id either
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; new ways to support the sourceware project
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; again-- this is mark wielard (coup) saying they want ibm to have more support (slave labour)
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; so ibm can have more control of gnu
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; so-called 'mmmmmmmeeeediaaa!"
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; too busy covering WSL shit
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; and not what goes on there at GNU
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; which is profound
09:36 TR News; "Lapine made this unnerving discovery by using Have I Been Trained" https://futurism.com/the-byte/private-medical-photos-ai | Source: Futurism
09:36 TR Bot; Woman Horrified To Discover Her Private Medical Photos Were Being Used To Train AI
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; nazi takeover of fsf
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; nazi takeover of gnu
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; dont stop the invasion-- you might provoke them
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; sjw: look, we only go after stallman
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; gnu->gus
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; youre on your own with the nazis!
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; bullshit reigns
09:37 TR News; Proprietary https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/uber-hack-linked-to-hardcoded-secrets-spotted-in-powershell-script | Source: Port Swigger
09:37 TR Bot; Uber hack linked to hardcoded secrets spotted in PowerShell script | The Daily Swig
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; fsf-iraq, ibm/halliburton platinum sponsor
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm gcc
09:38 TR News; "todays homily is a rebuke to all those sinners who have decided to abandon the correct path of reverse proxies" https://adepts.of0x.cc/novnc-phishing/ | Source: Of0x
09:38 TR Bot; Thoughts on the use of noVNC for phishing campaigns - Adepts of 0xCC
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; ms-fsf
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; open source gnu.fools
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; bullshit reigns
09:39 TR News; When classrooms become Gulags https://www.wired.com/story/denmark-google-schools-data/ | Source: Wired
09:39 TR Bot; Danish City Built Google Into Its SchoolsThen Banned It | WIRED
09:39 TR News; "Today, I turn on Satan's replacement, Belial, the annoying Mac Laptop." http://boston.conman.org//2022/09/21.1 |
09:39 TR Bot; Just how much telemetry does The Enterprise need from my work laptop? - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm
09:40 highest_cubist_thrills; all of this is fraud
09:40 TR News; "That algorithm shapes the information billions of people consume, and Gulag YouTube has controls that purport to allow people to adjust what it shows them. " https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/20/1059709/youtube-algorithm-recommendations/ | Source: MIT Technology Review
09:40 TR Bot; YouTube's recommendation algorithm is unresponsive to user feedback, according to Mozilla | MIT Technology Review
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; its like project paperclip in reverse
09:41 TR News; Microsoft concentration camp in "social" clothing https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/business/linkedin-social-experiments.html | Source: New York Times
09:41 TR Bot; LinkedIn Ran Social Experiments on 20 Million Users Over Five Years - The New York Times
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; project paperclip: get all the expertise we can from the nazis, build shit
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; project sourceware: build all the shit you can, give it to the nazis
09:41 TR News; "An evangelical Southern Baptist church known as Gracepoint was caught relying on a little more than Gods watchful gaze" https://futurism.com/the-byte/churches-shameware-apps | Source: Futurism
09:41 TR Bot; Churches Using "Shameware" Apps to Make Sure Members Don't Watch Porn
09:42 TR News; "Covenant Eyes is part of a multimillion-dollar ecosystem of so-called accountability apps" https://www.wired.com/story/covenant-eyes-anti-porn-accountability-monitoring-apps/ | Source: Wired
09:42 TR Bot; Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn Shameware Apps | WIRED
09:42 highest_cubist_thrills; i hope bradley kuhn is proud to be a member of the fourth reich
09:42 TR News; "Databases are tools to store information in an organized but flexible way." https://opensource.com/article/22/9/drop-your-database-for-postgresql | Source: OpenSource.com
09:42 TR Bot; your database for PostgreSQL | Opensource.com
09:42 highest_cubist_thrills; all these people work for ibm
09:42 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre all frauds
09:43 TR News; Pentium LOL! In 2022... use ARM instead https://linuxgizmos.com/mini-pc-enabled-by-pentium-n6415-processor-dual-gbe-ports-and-wi-fi-6e/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
09:43 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/mini-pc-enabled-by-pentium-n6415-processor-dual-gbe-ports-and-wi-fi-6e/ )
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: "well, he'd dead"
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; "I can haz hiz tooth fillingz?"
09:44 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman will sweep up the ashes
09:44 highest_cubist_thrills; its what the sonderkommanden do.
09:44 TR News; "Most often, you are looking for a file on Linux and you do not exactly know its true location on the system disk." https://linuxhandbook.com/find-files-by-name/ | Source: Linux Handbook
09:44 TR Bot; Find Files by Name in Linux [5 Frequent Use Cases]
09:45 TR News; Funny Programming Pictures Part XVI - by Bryan Lunduke https://lunduke.substack.com/p/funny-programming-pictures-part-xvi Source: Bryan Lunduke
09:45 TR Bot; Funny Programming Pictures Part XVI - by Bryan Lunduke
09:45 TR News; Rubenerd: Software engagement versus utility https://rubenerd.com/software-engagement-versus-utility/ Source: Ruben Schade | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rubenerd.com/software-engagement-versus-utility/
09:45 TR Bot; Software engagement versus utility
09:46 TR News; "Dr. Bombay" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-230922.html#tSep%2023%2008:33:15 https://youtu.be/Ropn_kwpFDU https://youtu.be/fKtNawQ3cxM
09:46 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 23, 2022
09:46 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=Ropn_kwpFDU
09:46 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=Ropn_kwpFDU )
09:46 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=fKtNawQ3cxM
09:46 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | DR BOMBAY "Rice & Curry" - Invidious
09:46 TR News; windows tco https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10021053
09:46 TR Bot; Fr f kunniga inom dataskerhet i Finland utbildningarna motsvarar inte arbetslivets krav Inrikes svenska.yle.fi
09:46 TR News; old: windows tco https://legalserviceindia.com/legal/article-3210-cyber-crime-a-hindrance-in-digital-world.html
09:46 TR Bot; Cyber Crime - A Hindrance In Digital World
09:47 TR News; analyticsindiamag coninues to mostly issue Microsoft propaganda and outright spam https://analyticsindiamag.com/github-repositories-that-will-change-the-way-you-learn-web3-and-blockchain/
09:47 TR Bot; Github Repositories that Will Change the Way You Learn Web3 and Blockchain
09:47 TR News; Filipino survivors of martial law still haunted by abuses 50 years after declaration | CBC Radio https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/survivors-martial-law-philippines-abuses-50-years-later-1.6592042 Source: CBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/survivors-martial-law-philippines-abuses-50-years-later-1.6592042
09:47 TR Bot; Filipino survivors of martial law still haunted by abuses 50 years after declaration | CBC Radio
09:48 TR News; old: Why I Switched to Linux https://odysee.com/@switchedtolinux:0/why-i-switched-to-linux:3
09:48 TR Bot; Why I Switched to Linux
09:48 TR News; Gulag YouTUbe = censorship https://odysee.com/@switchedtolinux:0/wth-youtube-queen-wiciwici-may-be-after:2
09:48 TR Bot; WTH YouTube? | Queen Wiciwici may be after me again!
09:50 highest_cubist_thrills; herr kuhn, herr sandler, herr wielaard, herr wingo
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; hmmm..
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; well..
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; he first two would find it ofensive to the extreme
09:50 highest_cubist_thrills; whats female for herr? not fraulein
09:51 highest_cubist_thrills; the first two should stop working for nazis
09:51 highest_cubist_thrills; the second two should also stop working for nazis
09:51 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont give a fuck.
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; so you call them kappo?
09:51 highest_cubist_thrills; my family escaped germany. if anything they should apologise to me.
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; they censored irc
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; against IBBBM critics
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; so you call them kappo? <- why pull punches?
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; Edwin Deny would object
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i invite him to do so.
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i will take it under advisement.
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; these are the worst hypocrites in the world
09:53 TR News; indonesia https://odysee.com/@SomeOrdinaryGamers:a/a-hacker-is-taking-down-indonesia...:9
09:53 TR Bot; A Hacker Is Taking Down Indonesia...
09:53 TR News; Attacks on RMS https://j3s.sh/thought/drones-run-linux-free-software-isnt-enough.html
09:53 TR Bot; jes post
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i have no sympathy for jews who work for the orchestrators of the holocaust
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; they are traitors.
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; they are not slaves.
09:53 TR News; San Francisco Police Can Now Watch Private Surveillance Cameras in Real Time - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/23/1824249 Source: Soylent News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/23/1824249
09:53 TR Bot; San Francisco Police Can Now Watch Private Surveillance Cameras in Real Time - SoylentNews
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; they are willful backstabbers of humanity and their own people.
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; they might as well wear armbands and say heil hitler.
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck them.
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre no better than herr sixel.
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; how do you know he isnt jewish?
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; how does he?
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; would i care if he was? fuck no.
09:55 highest_cubist_thrills; THEY DONT CARE.
09:55 highest_cubist_thrills; they gleefully betray everyone on behalf of literal nazis.
09:56 TR News; College Debt https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/24/college-debt-tip-iceberg | Source: Common Dreams
09:56 TR Bot; Opinion | College Debt is the Tip of the Iceberg | Phil Wilson
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; that level of hypocrisy demands the highest condemnation and criticism.
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but you always pull your punches
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; so you can suck up to them later
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; to who?
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; bkuhn?
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; we've not gotten along since 2010 or earlier
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; in general.
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; karen was not in sfc back then
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; there was barely such a thing
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; and she was in gnome and other things
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; now yet rolling in the "dough"
09:57 TR News; Lower-Income Families https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/24/its-lower-income-families-who-will-be-hit-hardest-fed-rate-hikes | Source: Common Dreams
09:57 TR Bot; Opinion | It's Lower-Income Families Who Will Be Hit Hardest by Fed Rate Hikes | Dean Baker
09:58 highest_cubist_thrills; today we split hairs
09:58 highest_cubist_thrills; tomorrow we do nothing
09:58 highest_cubist_thrills; the two are not unrelated
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; hey, TR did the most about it
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; more thasn the FSF itself even
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; we were never passive
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont agree
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; particularly with the last line
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; to ttthe point of getting whistlebloweeers
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; but also with the rest
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; barrier acting up again
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; more thasn the FSF itself even <- i mean
09:59 TR News; Software Patents https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/23/meta-ordered-to-pay-walkie-talkie-live-streaming-patents/ | Source: Digital Music News
09:59 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/23/meta-ordered-to-pay-walkie-talkie-live-streaming-patents/ )
10:00 highest_cubist_thrills; that just means more than nothing
10:00 highest_cubist_thrills; literally anything passes that mark
10:00 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf just rolled over and died
10:00 TR News; Internet: "In this series, Im going to discuss different reasons for these kinds of policies, and different ways to implement them in interdomain BGP." https://blog.apnic.net/2022/09/23/interdomain-bgp-policies-where-traffic-should-exit-a-network/ | Source: APNIC
10:00 TR Bot; Interdomain BGP policies where traffic should exit a network | APNIC Blog
10:00 highest_cubist_thrills; join us and help us roll over and die for nothing
10:01 TR News; "Russias propaganda is not monolithic. Instead, as it does in the West, it seeks to exploit existing divisions and tensions" https://www.economist.com/international/2022/09/22/how-russia-is-trying-to-win-over-the-global-south | Source: The Economist
10:01 TR Bot; Russia is trying to win over the global south | The Economist
10:02 TR News; "The group, formed in 2001, has quickly become one of the most important forces in global politics" https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/22/1059823/cold-war-authoritarian-tech-china-iran-sco/ | Source: MIT Technology Review
10:02 TR Bot; The world is moving closer to a new cold war fought with authoritarian tech | MIT Technology Review
10:02 TR News; "When a demo of the software was released in late August, users quickly found that certain wordsboth explicit mentions of political leaders" https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/14/1059481/baidu-chinese-image-ai-tiananmen/ | Source: MIT Technology Review
10:02 TR Bot; No Tiananmen Square in ERNIE-ViLG, the new Chinese image-making AI | MIT Technology Review
10:04 TR News; "Bolgla's store, Atlanta Vintage Books, is one of hundreds of independent bookstores across the country that have celebrated the freedom" https://text.npr.org/1124771875 | Source: NPR
10:04 TR Bot; How independent bookstores help in the fight against book banning and why it matters
10:04 TR News; "According to Russian digital rights NGO Roskomsvoboda, Veronika Loginova is the first individual to be prosecuted" https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxnza4/veronika-loginova-instagram-russia | Source: Vice
10:04 TR Bot; Russian Influencer Says She Faces 6 Years in Prison for Using Instagram
10:05 TR News; "Aucklander Matt Branin has inspired a historic demonstration in London on October 8th, to free jailed Australian journalist Julian Assange." https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2209/S00170/aucklander-inspires-demonstration-around-british-parliament-to-free-julian-assange-october-8th.htm | Source: Scoop Media
10:05 TR Bot; Aucklander Inspires Demonstration Around British Parliament To Free Julian Assange, October 8th | Scoop News
10:10 highest_cubist_thrills; https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/wget-dev/2022-09/msg00007.html
10:11 TR Bot; Why GNUnet prefers curl over wget2
10:11 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft gnunet
10:17 highest_cubist_thrills; "charting the course"
10:17 highest_cubist_thrills; more like gauging the fall
10:18 highest_cubist_thrills; US government employee? Use CFC charity code 63210 to support us through
10:18 TR News; "at least three of them women" https://www.voanews.com/a/journalists-arrested-in-iran-warned-about-protest-coverage/6760774.html | Source: VOA News
10:18 TR Bot; Journalists Arrested in Iran, Warned About Protest Coverage
10:18 highest_cubist_thrills; after ibm finishes taking over the whole thing can just be funded by darpa
10:18 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah its not called that anymore
10:19 highest_cubist_thrills; but since everything has gone backwards 40 years, why not
10:19 TR News; Conservative MPs call for freelance journalist to be booted from press gallery after tweet https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/genuis-dale-smith-lame-horse-tweet-1.6591666 | Source: CBC
10:19 TR Bot; Conservative MPs call for freelance journalist to be booted from press gallery after tweet | CBC News
10:19 TR News; "background to the proceedings were nver's Twitter posts, the content of which dealt with crimes against Kurds" https://anfenglishmobile.com/freedom-of-the-press/prison-sentence-for-jinnews-reporter-for-terror-propaganda-62658 | Source: ANF News
10:19 TR Bot; ANF | Prison sentence for JinNews reporter for terror propaganda"
10:19 TR News; "Journalist Nilufar Hamedi has been imprisoned in the Iranian capital" https://anfenglishmobile.com/freedom-of-the-press/journalist-arrested-in-iran-after-reporting-on-amini-s-death-62659 | Source: ANF News
10:19 TR Bot; ANF | Journalist arrested in Iran after reporting on Amini's death
10:20 highest_cubist_thrills; https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-09/msg00001.html
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:20 TR Bot; Free Software Awards: It's nomination time now until November 30
10:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i nominate hitler
10:20 highest_cubist_thrills; after all, without hitler, sourceware wouldnt be able to take over the fsf.
10:20 highest_cubist_thrills; besides
10:20 highest_cubist_thrills; after seeing the people who have won free software awards
10:20 highest_cubist_thrills; hes in good company
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; won when?
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; after 2005?
10:21 highest_cubist_thrills; whenever
10:21 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe a nobel peace prize too
10:21 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, its equally farcical
10:22 TR News; "Eve Ottenberg examines how corporations continue to find ways to screw their workers" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/24/class-warfare-grinds-on/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:22 TR Bot; Warfare Grinds On scheerpost.com
10:22 TR News; Military Whistleblower https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/24/military-whistleblower-challenges-pentagons-warrantless-purchase-of-internet-data/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:22 TR Bot; Whistleblower Challenges Pentagons Warrantless Purchase of Internet Data scheerpost.com
10:22 highest_cubist_thrills; www.fsf.org/blogs/community/free-software-awards-nominate-those-who-have-charted-a-course-to-freedom-by-november-30
10:22 highest_cubist_thrills; well, thats no one
10:22 highest_cubist_thrills; there is no course left to freedom.
10:23 highest_cubist_thrills; its a stupid and loaded question
10:23 TR News; CMOS https://hackaday.com/2022/09/24/cmos-oscillator-circuit-gets-an-eatable-input/ | Source: Hackaday
10:23 TR Bot; Oscillator Circuit Gets An Eatable Input | Hackaday
10:24 highest_cubist_thrills; We are proud to announce the fifteenth edition of the Free Software Foundation's (FSF) conference on ethical technology and user freedom
10:24 highest_cubist_thrills; ethical technology and user freedom <- not really
10:24 highest_cubist_thrills; users arent free, technology isnt ethical.
10:25 TR News; Tic Tac Toe Business Card https://hackaday.com/2022/09/24/minimal-tic-tac-toe-business-card/ | Source: Hackaday
10:25 TR Bot; Tic Tac Toe Business Card | Hackaday
10:25 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats lieplanet for you
10:25 highest_cubist_thrills; sharting a course to serfdom
10:25 schestowitz[TR]; what talks in the last libreplanet did you object to?
10:25 highest_cubist_thrills; all of them.
10:25 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole thing is a farce
10:26 highest_cubist_thrills; every talk undermined free software.
10:26 highest_cubist_thrills; there was one that was the least horrible
10:26 highest_cubist_thrills; this is sort of inevitable
10:27 highest_cubist_thrills; one talk actually equated free software and open source
10:27 highest_cubist_thrills; even the lieplanet page says its not open source.
10:28 highest_cubist_thrills; of course its not entirely untrue
10:28 highest_cubist_thrills; free software is dead, and open source sometimes calls itself free software now.
10:28 highest_cubist_thrills; so yeah, what to do.
10:29 TR News; "Long before the Covid pandemic, it was important to ask, where are the mass movements to enact in Congress majoritarian-supported changes and reforms?" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/24/where-mass-mobilized-movement-medicare-all | Source: Common Dreams
10:29 TR Bot; Opinion | Where Is the Mass Mobilized Movement for Medicare for All? | Ralph Nader
10:30 TR News; "pandemic and widespread economic pain" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/24/direct-cash-transfers-lifted-28-million-americans-out-poverty-during-pandemic | Source: Common Dreams
10:30 TR Bot; Opinion | Direct Cash Transfers Lifted 28 Million Americans Out of Poverty During Pandemic | Shailly Gupta Barnes
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10:33 highest_cubist_thrills; has esr burst like the senator in the x-men movie yet, or been hauled off to gitmo?
10:34 TR News; "Mitchell Beer records experts responses to the recent sale of the outdoor retail giant" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/24/the-hidden-downside-for-democracy-in-the-patagonia-sale/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:34 TR Bot; Hidden Downside for Democracy in the Patagonia Sale scheerpost.com
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; has he taken all his guns to south america like mcaffee?
10:37 TR News; WikiLeaks https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/24/the-israel-files-wikileaks-docs-show-top-hollywood-producers-working-with-israel-to-defend-its-war-crimes/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:37 TR Bot; Israel Files: WikiLeaks Docs Show Top Hollywood Producers Working With Israel To Defend Its War Crimes scheerpost.com
10:38 mjg59_; esr had cancer, apparently
10:38 mjg59_; He was supposed to give a couple of talks at SELF, I don't know if that happened
10:38 TR News; "Visitors at the Garden DLights in Bellevue, Washington had a problem. While touring the holiday lights show, they kept straying off the path." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/24/animated-led-arrows-point-the-way/ | Source: Hackaday
10:38 TR Bot; LED Arrows Point The Way | Hackaday
10:41 TR News; "Chief U.S. District Judge Shelly Dick ruled that the Office of Juvenile Justice (OJJ) can send two dozen children under the age of 18 from Bridge City Center for Youth, located outside New Orleans, to the Louisiana State Penitentiary" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/24/federal-judge-allows-untenable-plan-send-juvenile-inmates-angola-prison | Source: Common Dreams
10:41 TR Bot; Federal Judge Allows 'Untenable' Plan to Send Juvenile Inmates to Angola Prison
10:42 highest_cubist_thrills; With support from Accin Social (a governmental agency in Colombia) and Microsoft, SELF conducted a week-long site assessment and determined that deploying solar electric systems for the indigenous Arhuaco, Kogi and Wiwa communities
10:42 TR News; Salmons are being patented now, with profiteers like Bill Gates standing to make monopolies. https://www.propublica.org/article/the-racism-and-resilience-behind-todays-salmon-crisis | Source: Pro Publica, bribed by Gates, never mentions his crimes
10:43 TR Bot; The Racism, and Resilience, Behind Todays Salmon Crisis ProPublica
10:43 highest_cubist_thrills; in collaboration with NRG Energy, Inc. and the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund, SELF has completed the Sun Lights the Way: Brightening Boucan-Carr project
10:43 highest_cubist_thrills; jesus fucking christ
10:43 highest_cubist_thrills; SELF was selected as a Grand Challenges Explorations winner, an initiative funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation,
10:45 TR News; Energy bills https://truthout.org/articles/minneapolis-energy-bills-and-taxes-are-funding-right-wing-candidate-in-wisconsin/ | Source: TruthOut
10:46 TR Bot; Minneapolis Energy Bills and Taxes Are Funding Right-Wing Candidate in Wisconsin
10:46 TR News; Water privatised https://truthout.org/articles/water-access-has-returned-to-jackson-but-a-long-term-health-crisis-remains/ | Source: TruthOut
10:46 TR Bot; Water Access Has Returned to Jackson, But a Long-Term Health Crisis Remains
10:46 highest_cubist_thrills; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Electric_Light_Fund#Partnerships
10:46 TR Bot; Solar Electric Light Fund - Wikipedia
10:47 TR News; X-Ray Tube https://hackaday.com/2022/09/24/this-scratch-built-x-ray-tube-really-shines/ | Source: Hackaday
10:47 TR Bot; Scratch-Built X-Ray Tube Really Shines | Hackaday
10:47 highest_cubist_thrills; why are we even pretending that governments exist
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10:47 TR News; "There has been an unprecedented rush of people canceling their subscriptions to this blog the last five days." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/ | Source: Craig Murray
10:47 TR Bot; I Am Puzzled - Craig Murray
10:47 highest_cubist_thrills; you cant take a shit without a large corporations blessing
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10:49 TR News; "Could be people are struggling with providing for themselves at the moment; could also be a hacker. Is there any way you can check this?" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/
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10:50 TR News; "It seems the only way to subscribe to this blog is via PayPal which is currently out of favour because of its censorship of free-speech organisations. Im surprised they havent got round to cutting off this site." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/
10:53 TR News; craig murray: "Good point. Certainly people continually find they have unfollowed me on twitter." Happened to Wikileaks and others too. Social control media can not only censor but also hide and break links between nodes. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/comment-page-1/#comments
10:53 TR Bot; I Am Puzzled - Craig Murray
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10:55 TR News; ""House of the Dragon" and "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" are two completely different TV series" https://torrentfreak.com/house-of-the-dragon-crushes-the-rings-of-power-on-pirate-sites-220924/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:55 TR Bot; of the Dragon" Crushes "The Rings of Power" on Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak
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10:58 TR News; DeSantis https://truthout.org/articles/house-democrats-call-on-doj-to-investigate-desantis-for-cruel-migrant-flights/ | Source: TruthOut
10:58 TR Bot; House Democrats Call on DOJ to Investigate DeSantis for "Cruel Migrant Flights"
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 56.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 103.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 112.16
11:03 TR News; linux
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11:03 TR News; 4 CTF Cloud and Linux Security Challenges Now Open - Pentesting Cloud https://pentesting.cloud/news/4-ctf-cloud-and-linux-security-challenges-now-open/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//pentesting.cloud/news/4-ctf-cloud-and-linux-security-challenges-now-open/
11:03 TR Bot; 4 CTF Cloud and Linux Security Challenges Now Open - Pentesting Cloud
11:08 TR News; "Cloud conditions continue to cause great difficulty for star gazing, but tonight, God cleared away most of the clouds around sunset, and kept it clear until about 10:30pm. This gave me about 1.5 hours of pleasant star gazing." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220924-0.gmi
11:09 TR News; Identity gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1138
11:10 TR News; Assembling some notes on Assembly Language gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1137
11:11 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_howtos.gmi
11:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
11:13 TR News; YouTube (the Alphabet/Google Gulag) seems to be weeding out discussion of software freedom; its a longstanding issue reported by several GNU/Linux-centric channels over the years http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/google-censoring-linux/
11:13 TR Bot; YouTube (Alphabet Gulag) Keeps Censoring Videos About Free Software and GNU/Linux | Techrights
11:13 TR News; Microsoft is trying to decommoditise (read: control) E-mail by shutting out people who use standard protocols; how long have we got before E-mail becomes a surveillance-intensive walled garden? http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/microsoft-vs-pop-and-imap/
11:13 TR Bot; Microsoft is Trying to Eliminate POP3 and IMAP for E-mail (Attack on Commodity or Standard Protocols) | Techrights
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11:19 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> esr had cancer, apparently
11:19 DaemonFC; I'm sure you were ecstatic to hear that.
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:28 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I was as upset as esr was when he heard Steve Jobs had cancer
11:29 DaemonFC; He was a conniving asshole who was threatening "nuclear war" against Free Software.
11:30 DaemonFC; Apple worked behind the scenes to try to corrupt and patent the Web.
11:30 DaemonFC; They tried it with Canvas and again with HTML 5 media.
11:31 DaemonFC; I don't understand why anyone is upset that a guy who was trying to make it impossible to use the Web, at all, with Free Software is gone.
11:32 DaemonFC; It's Google that's pushing for open standards for media.
11:32 mjg59_; Sounds like you're saying it's ok to not be upset when someone dies
11:32 DaemonFC; Apple hasn't changed at all. They're trying to convince people to put HEIC files in Web pages because they have a license to use those.
11:33 DaemonFC; Everyoen else can just eat broken image placeholders if they use a Free browser.
11:33 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Sounds like you're saying it's ok to not be upset when someone dies
11:33 DaemonFC; ESR hasn't damaged Free Software and made it impossible for me to use a certain type of computer program.
11:33 DaemonFC; Steve Jobs was trying to do both.
11:34 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I suppose I'm supposed to stop and be upset that my mom's ex-husband, who viciously beat us, fell over of a heart attack?
11:35 DaemonFC; I'm not only glad he's dead. I hope it hurt and I hope it went on seemingly forever.
11:35 DaemonFC; You're damned right I'm glad he's dead.
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> <mjg59_> Sounds like you're saying it's ok to not be upset when someone dies
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; depend who and why
11:35 DaemonFC; So yes, I am glad that some people are dead when they've deserved it. When they've brought nothing into the world except something awful.
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; many russians wish for putin to drop dead
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; he kills many
11:36 DaemonFC; I love funerals though. An alcoholic who beats women and children becomes a guy who loved to hunt and fish and ride his motorcycle, and a great-grandfather you know! (The entire family is in and out of lockup....Irish.)
11:37 DaemonFC; Like really Irish.
11:37 DaemonFC; Like so Irish it's a red wine stain on white carpet. You'll never get it out.
11:39 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Now now, you know mjg59_ is going to post to Shitter that it's mean to want people like Hitler dead.
11:41 DaemonFC; Some people deserve it and we're no worse off without them. Steve Jobs was a narcissistic used car salesman who made a lot of money on Apple.
11:41 DaemonFC; What good did he do for the world? Nothing. He tried to make it impossible to use a Free Web browser.
11:42 DaemonFC; Despite his best efforts, you still can use some of the Web with a Free Web browser.
11:43 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], LibreJS breaks many things in Icecat. Could just turn it off, but would Richard Stallman still smile upon me if I did? That's the question.
11:43 DaemonFC; It's still a lot less irritating than Firefox either way.
11:44 DaemonFC; No SJW Crap in your face and no spyware running in the background.
11:44 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is a sad panda when he thinks about that.
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; the web is the browser
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; and the browser is the www
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; they are server-client
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; and protocols are a mirage
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; the browser IS the protocol
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; in the MSIE days
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; and now again
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; difference is
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; we are worse off now
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; due to rising complexitiy
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; in MSIE era you had windows embedded obkjects
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; WMP
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; ActiveX
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; now it's even worse
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; and no way back
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; so www needs to die along with browsers
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; they've become like VMs
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; wthere the code is mostly obfuscated JS
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; with psuedo-standards
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; things die when they become too bloated to be worth it
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; and small, agile things sudduntly compensate for lack of cunction
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; with their superior performce and..
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; cheapness of maintaining them
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; like debugging ande extending
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; firefox is too bloated now
11:51 DaemonFC; https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gnuzilla
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; culling thousands of extensions was a mistalkre
11:52 TR Bot; Gnuzilla - Free Software Directory
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; wrong approach
11:52 DaemonFC; "The proprietary web chat IRC client Mibbit has been removed."
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; then they did the same to thunderbird
11:52 DaemonFC; Firefox doesn't have a bundled IRC client.
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; makde it more bloated an d remove a lot of useful functionality
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; so now we have just bloat
11:52 DaemonFC; ChatZilla (which is FOSS) doesn't work in it anymore.
11:52 DaemonFC; "DuckDuckGo is the default search engine, which means that you can run "!Bangs" keywords in the location bar to use any search engine."
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; bangbang with microsoft
11:52 DaemonFC; So maybe it was Fedora that changed it to Google.
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; with drpeter and drgates
11:54 schestowitz[TR]; !bang!bang on pizzas
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; SJW mindset:
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; he world is run by Donald Trump, ESR,a dn Ryan from IL
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; nobody else is of interest
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; not even PUTIN ;-)
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; putin is "political"
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; putin has no formal coc
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; and if they try to foce him to
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; he might shoot you between the eyes
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; he's not easy to blackmail
11:59 TR News; Sam Varghese wasting his time doing these puff pieces :/ https://itwire.com/mobile-devices/review-oppo-reno8-pro-5g-lives-life-in-the-fast-charging-lane.html
11:59 TR Bot; - Review: Oppo Reno8 Pro 5G lives life in the fast-charging lane
12:00 TR News; The Web is sheer bloat. It's not sustainable. W3C promotes DRM, which is massive contributor to pollution and waste. https://tantek.com/2022/267/b1/w3c-tpac-sustainability-cg-meeting
12:01 TR Bot; TPAC 2022 Sustainability Community Group Meeting - Tantek
12:01 TR News; M5Stack Thermal Camera 2 Unit combines ESP32 WiSoC with MLX90640 thermal camera - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/25/m5stack-thermal-camera-2-unit-combines-esp32-wisoc-with-mlx90640-thermal-camera/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/25/m5stack-thermal-camera-2-unit-combines-esp32-wisoc-with-mlx90640-thermal-camera/
12:01 TR Bot; M5Stack Thermal Camera 2 Unit combines ESP32 WiSoC with MLX90640 thermal camera - CNX Software
12:03 DaemonFC; Calling DrPizza, DrGates, DrGULAG!
12:03 DaemonFC; Emergency!
12:03 DaemonFC; DrGULAG DrGULAG, come right away!
12:03 DaemonFC; Paging DrGULAG! DrPizza! DrGULAG!
12:04 DaemonFC; B-)
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; "we,, the joke is dead"
12:04 DaemonFC; Now, now, Roy.
12:04 DaemonFC; Didn't you hear what mjg59_ said?
12:05 schestowitz[TR]; i know
12:05 schestowitz[TR]; death is bad
12:05 DaemonFC; It's mean to hope that they bash DrPizza's skull in and leave him for the guards to find?
12:05 DaemonFC; :)
12:05 schestowitz[TR]; "If you cant make it good, at least make it look good."
12:05 schestowitz[TR]; Bill Gates, Microsoft, putting makeup on a kid to make it look older
12:05 schestowitz[TR]; like in .ph
12:06 schestowitz[TR]; "why so serious!"
12:06 schestowitz[TR]; "we're not serious"
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; I always come back to Lolita Gates and the kids"
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft: ggggggates was unfaithful
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; media: gates was not faithful
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; to whom?
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; to epstein?
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; what did he need from him anyway?
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; had this diuscussion yesterday with a friend over
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; it's clear that he was up to no good
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; to me, the options can be narrowed down to:
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; 1) he liked to watch
12:07 schestowitz[TR]; 2) he particpated
12:08 schestowitz[TR]; 3) the secrets epstein had were beyond sexual
12:08 schestowitz[TR]; (3) would likely be bext for billg
12:08 schestowitz[TR]; but I struggle to think what else he could blackmail with
12:08 schestowitz[TR]; that billg would want to see a convicted monster behind bars
12:08 schestowitz[TR]; and fly over to see him
12:08 schestowitz[TR]; and then insist that they need to whiten his name
12:08 schestowitz[TR]; and then lie about meeting him
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; and then mock his death when challenged about it
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; BillBC and BillPR now use strawman "plants" to present all this is just some "conspiracy theory"
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; when controlling "media" that calls itself "public"
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; and is partly funded by the gullible public
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; but helps cover up child predation
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; like billBC did with Jimmy Savile too
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jimmy-savile-raped-children-as-young-as-nine-while-working-at-bbc-leaked-report-finds-a6824436.html
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-26/jimmy-savile-said-to-have-sexually-abused-dead-bodies/5553742
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; The Beed
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; *Beed
12:10 TR Bot; 'Jimmy Savile raped children as young as nine' while working at BBC, leaked report unveils | The Independent | The Independent
12:10 TR Bot; BBC star Jimmy Savile 'committed sex acts on dead bodies' while volunteering at hospital - ABC News
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; necrophiles
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; as managers
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; the need a new word for it
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; necropedophila
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; two in one?
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; how about
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; necrozoopedophila?
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; lust for screwing baby animals
12:11 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], DuckDuckGo still works without JavaScript.
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; when they are dead
12:11 DaemonFC; They have a non-JS version you get redirected to.
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; mental coinditions are nowadays being normalised
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; RMS stares = bad
12:12 TR Bot; Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; people wanting to harm themselves = normal
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; redefined as "lifestyle choice"
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; maybe that was the strategy of billG
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; maybe they can weaponise thew mdia tro convince society fast enough that 60 year olds 'doing' 12 years olds is consensual
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; and won't scar the girls
12:17 TR News; Openwashing by tarnishing away the brand "Linux" https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/meta-pytorch-linux-foundation-twitter
12:17 TR Bot; transfers PyTorch to the Linux Foundation - Protocol
12:17 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: did you ever tweet about savile?
12:17 schestowitz[TR]; I can check..
12:18 DaemonFC; The NIH lists a high quality study from Sweden showing that Trans people kill themselves at very high rights.
12:18 DaemonFC; I wonder when that will be deleted to fit with the Biden Administration's reclassification of womanhood.
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; yes, that's statistically provable
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; but some people reverse cause and effect
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, that's for other irc channels
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; don't debate it here
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; not related to tech at all
12:19 DaemonFC; It's all a part of the leftist attack on the family.
12:19 DaemonFC; Bill Gates supports this, and funds it.
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; supports what?
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; "Family planning{" yes
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; eugenics wiuth better PR
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; but he harms gays
12:20 DaemonFC; Propaganda encouraging transgender acceptance on NPR.
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: did you mention how gates harms gays?
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; with his patent monopolklies?
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; off boundaries?
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; to poke fun at vulnerable gates?
12:20 DaemonFC; Yes, to sell vaccines, Gates pushes homophobic articles about a disease that hasn't killed anyone.
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; and hiv patenrs
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; *patents
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; he is a massive novartis pusher
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; techrights covered this several times a decade ago
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; gates kills gays
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: i am more concerned about a gay man from IL
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; billg has no relevance to me
12:22 schestowitz[TR]; billggates is a protected minority
12:22 schestowitz[TR]; there are only about 10 people as rich as that
12:22 schestowitz[TR]; they're a tiny minority
12:22 schestowitz[TR]; iiit's a low blow to take on minorities
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; it's even raycist
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; becauyse they are all white
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; even the african on that list
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; he's european colonist
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; who kickstarted by abusing local, indiginous people in ruby mines
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; aka slaver
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; or emerald
12:24 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], mjg59_ is like DuckDuckGo. Every time you call him out for being shady or lying, he switches to something else.
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; the locals kicked him in the head
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; that's how much even KIDS ahted him
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; that should tell you
12:24 DaemonFC; Or just stops engaging until he resurfaces later to fire a torpedo and dive.
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft NDAs
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; maybe he signed some too
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; for shim
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; NDA
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; like NWA
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; but without the "n**ers"
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.W.A
12:25 TR Bot; N.W.A - Wikipedia
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ has many black friends
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; /homies/mjg/
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; he is very tolerant
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; tolerant towards:
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; billg
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; jimmy savile
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; ...
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/739100912820461570
12:27 TR Bot; @sabdfl I don't think people like Bill Cosby or Jimmy Savile were leaders
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; that's all he ever said about Savile
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; ever!
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; i ressponse to mark shuttlweworth
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/sabdfl
12:27 TR Bot; ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/sabdfl )
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; "High profile figures are able to get away with things because they're in a position to make a significant proportion of accusations go away
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; Mark Shuttleworth
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; @sabdfl
12:28 schestowitz[TR];
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; Jun 4, 2016
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; no, it's because the choice of leaders is between various other high profile people, who also have flaws
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; Matthew Garrett
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; @mjg59
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; Replying to
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; @sabdfl
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; I don't think people like Bill Cosby or Jimmy Savile were leaders"
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; Mark Shuttleworth = hypocrite
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/05/15/jeff-waugh-on-mark-shuttleworth/
12:28 TR Bot; Audio: Mark Shuttleworth Marketed to Young Males, With Sexy Pictures | Techrights
12:29 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/waugh-on-canonical/
12:29 schestowitz[TR]; Partial trascript (Jeff Waugh): What happened was, weve had some very some of the very early initial meetings (when, you know, there were about 10 people) and Mark [Shuttleworth] showed this picture and it was of a girl called Sabrina, or thats the name that he gave her. And it was a very [?] tone, Vaseline on the lens kind of shot, and it was a a very beautiful shot, but it was with a girl with her face turned aw
12:29 schestowitz[TR]; ay but her breasts perfectly visible. And he saying to everyone, this is what I want the desktop to look like.
12:29 TR Bot; A Sexy Dawn of Ubuntu Branding | Techrights
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; "If you cant make it good, at least make it look good."
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; -Bill Gates, coipilot for Jeffrey Epstein, frequent flyer
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; Mark Shuttle (MS): if you can't make debian, look good..
12:31 DaemonFC; I'm mjg59_ and this is my black friend! See, he's very well fed and happy! What? God is a negro!? I am so screwed!
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; add nudes
12:31 DaemonFC; :)
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; cp -R /home/mjg/ /homies/ghettopeople/
12:32 DaemonFC; I just borrowed that from Bob Pogo from F is for Family.
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; sudo su marisol
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; \sudo !!
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; of course the irony is,
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; marisol grew up in the ghetto
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; now calls others "ghetto people"
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; like ryan making fun of poor, un employed people with cirminal records
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; i.e. people like him
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; or ICBM calling the community rude and unruly
12:34 schestowitz[TR]; falling in love with linux https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyfw-spring-2023-2658229668.html
12:34 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyfw-spring-2023-2658229668.html )
12:34 schestowitz[TR]; now linux is a person
12:34 schestowitz[TR]; too much makeup, linus, too much makeup...
12:34 schestowitz[TR]; make up another name
12:34 schestowitz[TR]; this one is a trademark infringement
12:35 schestowitz[TR]; james zemlin adn sheela microsoft don't mind
12:35 schestowitz[TR]; ruining the brand seems like an objective
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; and nobody in these septs in LF uses Linux
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; because, to them, linus sucks
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; it's just some brand to whither away
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; *linux
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; and they also ruin git
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; by outsoucing to the enemy of git
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; the EEE of Git
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; "what does LF do?"
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; "surely,, it's for Linux... it's in the name"
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; reality check: "no, it takes monewy freom companies that attack Linux"
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; and attacks the other project of Linus Torvalds, Git
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; by funnelling projects into the Microsoft attackl on Git
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; which was primed for attacks for YEARS by drpizza
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; before he was arrested for child rape
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; he did a lot of the anti-git stenography for Microsoft
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; now he's just "staff writer" for conde nast
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; they left all those planted micfrosoft articles in tact
12:38 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Icecat seems faster than Firefox.
12:38 DaemonFC; Much more responsive.
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; so that the MS PR agencies can defact Wikipedia
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; with "authoritative" sources as references
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; linking to articles they themselves writer
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; with the pen name of mr. penpal
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; or penplay
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: less "telemetry"
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; less "to improve your experience"
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12:42 TR News; (NEW): Top 35 Linux Console Tips and Tricks From Practical Experience http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Top_35_Linux_Console_Tips_and_Tricks_From_Practical_Experience.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Top_35_Linux_Console_Tips_and_Tricks_From_Practical_Experience.gmi
12:42 TR Bot; Tux Machines Top 35 Linux Console Tips and Tricks From Practical Experience
12:42 DaemonFC; I plan to review this after I've rested.
12:43 DaemonFC; I'm going to sleep for a bit.
12:43 DaemonFC; I wonder why it doesn't connect the icon for Icecat to the running application.
12:44 DaemonFC; You open it and the binary is called "icecat-default" and has another entry on the dash.
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; librewolf is strange also
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; renaming two types ofm processes
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; I guess due to
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; a) trademarks
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; b) conflict with a running firefox instance (they cann run ok in tandem)
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; i wonder if waterfox and librewolf dveelopers have a past employment in mozilla
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; and whether Bakersoft will brand them,m "bad actors"
12:45 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUnet
12:45 TR Bot; GNUnet - Wikipedia
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; at which point they will be in trouble
12:46 DaemonFC; Looking at this.
12:46 schestowitz[TR]; deplotforming and lawyering up by the "I'm not coding, but IU have law degree" Baker
12:46 schestowitz[TR]; gnunet is not ready yet
12:46 schestowitz[TR]; they allege
12:46 schestowitz[TR]; so I've not installed it yet
12:46 schestowitz[TR]; not "stable"
12:47 schestowitz[TR]; it can be interesting alongside gemini
12:47 schestowitz[TR]; as the sites are also text files by now
12:47 schestowitz[TR]; so should be easy for any protocol or transport layer
12:47 schestowitz[TR]; ftp, ipfs..
12:47 schestowitz[TR]; i tried bbs
12:47 schestowitz[TR]; bbs is tricky
12:47 schestowitz[TR]; it tends to assume modem connection
12:47 schestowitz[TR]; modulation
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; techrights by fax ;-)
12:48 DaemonFC; Fax all of Techrights to mjg59_'s lawyer.
12:48 DaemonFC; Yo dawg, I heard you like papers.
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; paypa'
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; that's how they get paid
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; i saw it firsthand
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; you hand them over paper
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; they turnn it to more paypa'
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; with this thing called "xerox"
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; then charge you 200 pounds an hour
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; for all that tiring xerox "high-tech" stuff
12:49 DaemonFC; I wonder what they could do if you sent them Techrights articles to a fax number.
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; put in m,achinbe, poress button
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; enter next paper, rpeeat
12:50 schestowitz[TR]; 1600 pounds for a day's work
12:50 DaemonFC; You're not in the US, so the junk fax law doesn't matter. Right?
12:50 schestowitz[TR]; then the 'certified' laywyer addss the signature
12:50 schestowitz[TR]; "added value"
12:50 schestowitz[TR]; "i have a licence to print money lol!"
12:51 schestowitz[TR]; ireland hates lawyers
12:51 schestowitz[TR]; they have experiences with the british
12:52 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Being a public defender must really suck.
12:52 DaemonFC; It barely pays anything, you get stuck defending the dog fuckers of Lake County.
12:53 DaemonFC; You hate your clients but you have to go in there and give them a defense.
12:53 TR News; Diploma mills. Waste of your money. Like investing in shitcoins. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/21/3-free-linux-security-training-courses/
12:53 TR Bot; 3 free Linux security training courses you can take right now - Help Net Security
12:53 DaemonFC; Most lawyers will accept any client who can pay them though
12:54 TR News; inappropriate
12:54 TR News; "Revolut customers began noticing something was wrong on September 11, when some of them reported receiving inappropriate wording via chat." https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/20/revolut-data-breach-phishing/
12:54 TR Bot; Revolut data breach: 50,000+ users affected - Help Net Security
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: alex graveley
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; the man who tells girls he has $200,000,000
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; barely has 200k
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; employed by microsoft
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; says he works there in his site
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; but actually got sacked
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; forced to resig
12:56 schestowitz[TR]; we'll likely cover this next year, maybe before xmas
12:56 schestowitz[TR]; it's connected to other stuff
12:56 schestowitz[TR]; like de icaza and nat-a-friend-man
12:56 schestowitz[TR]; maybe james zemlin and sheela microsoft can still save gtihub
12:56 schestowitz[TR]; in 'Linux's' name
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 119.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 118.61
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13:02 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> we'll likely cover this next year, maybe before xmas
13:02 schestowitz[TR]; better to publish along with formal documents
13:02 schestowitz[TR]; and full verifiable context
13:02 schestowitz[TR]; to avoid the ad hom brigades
13:02 schestowitz[TR]; who try to distract from the news
13:03 schestowitz[TR]; and the full extent/ramifications
13:03 schestowitz[TR]; typical self-described SJW:
13:03 schestowitz[TR]; *) condemns trmp
13:03 schestowitz[TR]; *) condemns ICE
13:03 schestowitz[TR]; *) says it supports FOSS
13:03 schestowitz[TR]; *) use ICE GitHub
13:04 schestowitz[TR]; *) says PROPRIETARY Githib is foss
13:04 schestowitz[TR]; *) insists microsoft is not the enemy
13:04 schestowitz[TR]; *) attacks the founder of FOSS
13:04 schestowitz[TR]; *) posts supportive libel in PROPRIETARY twitter
13:04 schestowitz[TR]; and nowhere else
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; * bonus: takes 6-figure salary, PLUS bonus
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; * attacks people who work as VOLUNTEERS... because they make typos in IRF ;-)
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; *IRC
13:07 schestowitz[TR]; "only stupid people pursue something that isn't money" (to compensate for insecurities)
13:08 TR News; Uber repeatedly getting cracked. And those are only the INCIDENTS WE KNOW about (there are more for sure). https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/uber-hack-linked-to-hardcoded-secrets-spotted-in-powershell-script take taxi, pay cash
13:08 TR Bot; Uber hack linked to hardcoded secrets spotted in PowerShell script | The Daily Swig
13:10 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: if you cared about real social justice, , you and I would be natural allies
13:10 schestowitz[TR]; putin is branding himself protector of russia
13:10 schestowitz[TR]; while sending millions to die... trying to kill millions of others who never wanted war
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; you calling yourself "social justice warrior" is like me calling myself "trans woman"
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; it's a statement about oneself
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; putin: I protect russians
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; trump: I will make America great again
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; Biden: I'm not Trump (technically that's true)
13:13 TR News; Microsoft: we're a legacy company. So we break everything we can, including Linux.. and E-mail http://boston.conman.org//2022/09/22.1
13:13 TR Bot; So when did POP and IMAP become a legacy protocol? - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm
13:15 TR News; Useless fact: if Microsoft determine if (of when) you cannot boot up your own machine, you have a back door
13:16 TR News; Useless fact: if Microsoft determines if (or when) you cannot boot up your own machine, you have a back door and the only way to get rid of it is to surgically remove part of the hardware, which is proprietary and still cannot be trusted, esp. if attached to a network
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:21 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
13:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
13:34 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Security_Leftovers.gmi
13:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
13:36 TR News; Gemini Radio: Episode 45 gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220925.gmi
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13:44 TR News; (NEW): Kodi "Nexus" Alpha 3 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Kodi_Nexus_Alpha_3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Kodi_Nexus_Alpha_3.gmi
13:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kodi "Nexus" Alpha 3
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13:51 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware/Modding: ESP32, Thelio, RISC-V, CrowPi/Raspberry Pi/Astro Pi http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Open_Hardware_Modding_ESP32_Thelio_RISC_V_CrowPi_Raspberry_Pi_A.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Open_Hardware_Modding_ESP32_Thelio_RISC_V_CrowPi_Raspberry_Pi_A.gmi
13:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware/Modding: ESP32, Thelio, RISC-V, CrowPi/Raspberry Pi/Astro Pi
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13:57 TR News; Links 25/09/2022: EasyOS 4.4, KDE Reviewed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/easyos-4-4/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/easyos-4-4/
13:57 TR Bot; Links 25/09/2022: EasyOS 4.4, KDE Reviewed | Techrights
13:57 TR News; (NEW): KDE review - Prose http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/KDE_review_Prose.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/KDE_review_Prose.gmi
13:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines KDE review - Prose
13:57 TR News; (NEW): W3C, Browsers, and KaTeX http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/W3C_Browsers_and_KaTeX.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/W3C_Browsers_and_KaTeX.gmi
13:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines W3C, Browsers, and KaTeX
13:58 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
13:58 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
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14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:24 TR News; pellBinding: GHIWNSK Wordo: CALLA gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/new.gmi
14:27 TR News; How to Create Macros in VIM for Repetitive Tasks https://linuxhint.com/creating_vim_macros/
14:27 TR Bot; How to Create Macros in VIM for Repetitive Tasks
14:27 TR News; How to Copy from Clipboard to Nano https://linuxhint.com/copy_from_clipboard_nano/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/copy_from_clipboard_nano/
14:27 TR Bot; How to Copy from Clipboard to Nano
14:29 TR News; MSA espionage. Don't do it, man... https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-back-up-directly-to-google-drive-on-linux/
14:29 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-back-up-directly-to-google-drive-on-linux/ )
14:30 TR News; How Linux Users Can Speed Up Their Software Distribution - LinuxTechLab https://linuxtechlab.com/how-linux-users-can-speed-up-their-software-distribution/ Source: LinuxTechLab | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxtechlab.com/how-linux-users-can-speed-up-their-software-distribution/
14:30 TR Bot; Linux Users Can Speed Up Their Software Distribution - LinuxTechLab
14:31 TR News; "We cover events and user groups that are running in the US state of Wyoming. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-usa-wyoming/
14:31 TR Bot; Around The World: USA - Wyoming - LinuxLinks
14:32 TR News; "We cover events and user groups that are running in the US state of Wyoming. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-usa-wyoming/
14:32 TR News; "Spoilt babies with nuclear weapons are not exactly a healthy mix" https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/rama-ii-arthur-c-clarke-aliens/
14:32 TR Bot; Rama II, Arthur C. Clarke, Aliens Experiences in the community
14:38 TR News; Top 10 Best PhpStorm Themes and Color Schemes in 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-phpstorm-themes-and-color-schemes/ Source: Ubuntu Pit | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/best-phpstorm-themes-and-color-schemes/
14:38 TR Bot; Top 10 Best PhpStorm Themes and Color Schemes in 2022
14:39 TR News; "The PhoenixRC is a controller with 8 channels for use in flight simulators." https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=acc3e34613da139643af2ce4ca7e7dadf07478d6
14:39 TR Bot; kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git
14:41 TR News; SysLinuxOS 2022-09-24 is out https://syslinuxos.com/primi-passi/
14:41 TR Bot; passi - SysLinuxOS
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14:42 MinceR; i see mjg59_ admires steve jobs
14:42 MinceR; no surprise there, they're both enemies of the users and the users' freedom
14:43 TR News; Archinstall outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software prison. Makes Arch look incompetent. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Archinstall-2.5.1-Released
14:43 TR Bot; 2.5.1 Released With A Number Of Fixes For The Arch Linux Installer - Phoronix
14:44 schestowitz[TR]; they both hate women, too
14:44 schestowitz[TR]; jobs disowned his own daughter and g/f
14:44 schestowitz[TR]; Lisa, IIRC
14:44 schestowitz[TR]; said he could not possible be the father
14:44 schestowitz[TR]; "you're not holding it right..."
14:45 MinceR; didn't stop him from naming a product after her
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; much later
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14:54 TR News; (NEW): Eager to Try Pop!_OS 22.10? Well, You Cant http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Eager_to_Try_Pop_OS_22_10_Well_You_Can_t.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Eager_to_Try_Pop_OS_22_10_Well_You_Can_t.gmi
14:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines Eager to Try Pop!_OS 22.10? Well, You Cant
14:57 TR News; Allen School News - Allen School researchers bring first underwater messaging app to smartphones https://news.cs.washington.edu/2022/08/29/allen-school-researchers-bring-first-underwater-messaging-app-to-smartphones/
14:57 TR Bot; Allen School News Allen School researchers bring first underwater messaging app to smartphones
14:59 TR News; "Social media is undoubtedly one way to get information, but it also presents a significant obstacle. It is very challenging to determine whether the opinion and input of a given account are valid or useful due to the anonymity of the account, doubts about whether the account is owned by a real person or a bot" https://analyticsindiamag.com/the-backend-of-indian-elections/
14:59 TR Bot; The Backend of Indian Elections
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 101.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 113.63
15:06 TR News; More listening devices, more bugs, more Pentagon digging up dirt on everyone in the same of "smart", "assistants", etc. https://www.infoq.com/news/2022/09/amazon-lex-chatbot/
15:07 TR Bot; Amazon Is Adding Visual Conversation Builder for Amazon Lex
15:07 TR News; GAFAM: subsidised by taxpayers... to violate the rights of those same taxpayers
15:08 TR News; Angst over corruption watchdog, first Queens death, now fear of Dutton deal - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/a-corruption-watchdog-with-teeth-the-experts-tell-how/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/a-corruption-watchdog-with-teeth-the-experts-tell-how/
15:08 TR Bot; Angst over corruption watchdog, first Queen's death, now fear of Dutton deal - Michael West
15:10 TR News; What sort of sick government subsidises or bails out those who attack constituents, the citizens? The sort of government that helps them oppress the citizens, whom the government (or puppet therein) dislikes and distrusts...
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15:11 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg59_: if you cared about real social justice, , you and I would be natural allies
15:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont agree with that either
15:11 TR News; Dear taxpayer, we the government need to spy on you even more (enter excuses like the children and terrorism), would you mind paying us some MORE money to spy on you even more?
15:11 highest_cubist_thrills; but it would certainly be a start
15:12 TR News; Groping at the airports (and soon bus stations) will persist until morale improves
15:14 TR News; My Debian Activities in August 2022 https://blog.alteholz.eu/2022/09/my-debian-activities-in-august-2022/
15:14 TR Bot; Debian Activities in August 2022 blog.alteholz.eu
15:15 TR News; Hello World Haskell https://blog.drewolson.org/hello-world-haskell
15:15 TR Bot; Hello World Haskell
15:16 TR News; "When should you reuse code and modify it to your requirements? When should you roll your own? There's no general answer to this question, but a few guidelines that I've picked up over the years." https://matt-rickard.com/when-to-roll-your-own-x
15:16 TR Bot; When To Roll Your Own X
15:16 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
15:16 TR News; "If we will not endure a King as a political power we should not endure a King over the production, transportation, and sale of the necessaries of life." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/15/prime-suspect/#consumer-welfare
15:16 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 15 Sep 2022 Californias antitrust case against Amazon Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
15:16 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> Sounds like you're saying it's ok to not be upset when someone dies
15:17 TR News; "I fricking live technology. My house is full of gadgets, I've written code that's run all over the world, and I'm currently studying for an MSc in technology." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/09/have-i-reached-the-douglas-adams-inflection-point-or-is-modern-tech-just-a-bit-rubbish/
15:17 TR Bot; Have I reached the Douglas Adams Inflection point (or is modern tech just a bit rubbish)? Terence Edens Blog
15:17 TR News; "So, it was more than a feeling. We are terrible at labelling buttons. I understand that this can be confusing, because there are many different ways of getting the job done" https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/button-baader/
15:17 TR Bot; Buttons and the BaaderMeinhof phenomenon - Manuel Matuzovi
15:17 highest_cubist_thrills; /me sees what mjg is doing here, but wont crack the code because its useful in other situations
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15:18 TR News; "This bug would have been caught using Circomspect, a new static analyzer for ZKPs that we are open-sourcing today." https://blog.trailofbits.com/2022/09/15/it-pays-to-be-circomspect/
15:18 TR Bot; It pays to be Circomspect | Trail of Bits Blog
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:20 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR> people wanting to harm themselves = normal | redefined as "lifestyle choice"
15:20 highest_cubist_thrills; im not familiar with this one, who is redefining self-harm as a "lifestyle choice"
15:21 highest_cubist_thrills; or even what form of self-harm is being redefined as such?
15:21 TR News; "The Valuable News weekly series is dedicated to provide summary about news, articles and other interesting stuff mostly but not always related to the UNIX or BSD systems. Whenever I stumble upon something worth mentioning on the Internet I just put it here." https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2022/09/05/valuable-news-2022-09-05/
15:21 TR Bot; Valuable News 2022/09/05 |
15:21 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: two trends:
15:21 schestowitz[TR]; 1) over-medicating and over-diagning
15:22 schestowitz[TR]; to sell pills and stuff
15:22 schestowitz[TR]; that can in fact do mro0e harm than good
15:22 schestowitz[TR]; 2) ignoring issues
15:22 schestowitz[TR]; and classifying them as a new normalcy
15:22 schestowitz[TR]; inc. covid-19
15:23 TR News; "In regard to social media use, the only winning move is to not play!" https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/06/limiting-toxic-technology/
15:23 TR Bot; Limiting Toxic Technology - Alexandru Nedelcu
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15:24 highest_cubist_thrills; okay
15:24 TR News; "Although this looks like a video game, I did not write any game code." http://madebyoll.in/posts/game_emulation_via_dnn
15:24 TR Bot; Game Emulation via Neural Network
15:24 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> bbs is tricky <schestowitz[TR]> it tends to assume modem connection <- not really
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; can you elaborate?
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; i still want to try bbs
15:24 highest_cubist_thrills; in the latter days of the bbs, it was common to see them based on telnet
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; looked into some sofwtare for it
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; but it makes assumptions about the stack
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; yes, telnet
15:24 highest_cubist_thrills; for gemini theres an ssh connection you can get without credentials
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; but that comes with its own jar of owmr
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; worms
15:25 highest_cubist_thrills; so that would be the modern equivalent
15:25 highest_cubist_thrills; but that comes with its own jar of owm <- i just addressed that
15:25 schestowitz[TR]; gemini is tls
15:25 schestowitz[TR]; i accessed bbs from here
15:25 highest_cubist_thrills; gemini is tls <- im a step ahead of you
15:25 schestowitz[TR]; over telnet
15:25 schestowitz[TR]; but opening that port outwards seem tricky and risky
15:26 TR News; LOLOLOLOL!!! 1549 for a fu----ing "phone" https://chrishannah.me/iphone-13-to-14-price-increase/
15:26 TR Bot; iPhone 13 to 14 Price Increase
15:27 TR News; Sorry, that's 1749! Even more. It increased in price... 200 pounds. A 15% increase almost. Apple cannot sell many products anymore. So it's milking the iDiots who buy these no matter what...
15:28 highest_cubist_thrills; ssh is "just" modern telnet
15:28 highest_cubist_thrills; theres a gemini-related service (proxy?) that uses ssh
15:28 TR News; Apple used to say "think different" (ICBM was "think") but these days it teaches people just not to think at all
15:28 highest_cubist_thrills; youve covered it, i dont know what the address is
15:28 highest_cubist_thrills; you could do "bbs" that way
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; that's not the same
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; you use ssh
15:29 highest_cubist_thrills; for everyone that can use an ssh client
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; you connect to an open sssh proixy
15:29 highest_cubist_thrills; that's not the same <- how is it different
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; and then you can test clients on these
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; it's a shell with limited sets of commands
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; for bbs you can use telnet right now
15:29 highest_cubist_thrills; it's a shell with limited sets of commands <- whats a shell
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; but to operate bbs you need a set of tools
15:29 highest_cubist_thrills; to operate bbs you need a set of tools <-
15:30 schestowitz[TR]; for more than hell world and also colours, menus, games
15:30 highest_cubist_thrills; whats a shell, roy
15:30 highest_cubist_thrills; hint: /etc/shells
15:30 schestowitz[TR]; let me get an up to date list of public bbs server... there's a site that hass a directory
15:31 schestowitz[TR]; https://8bitboyz.com/bbs-directory/
15:31 TR Bot; BBS Directory | 8-Bit Boyz
15:31 highest_cubist_thrills; why dont you skip the part where you try to disprove facts and get to the part where you learn new facts.
15:31 schestowitz[TR]; http://www.bbscorner.com/usersinfo/bbslists.htm
15:31 TR Bot; The BBS Corner - Lists of BBS Lists
15:31 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/
15:31 TR Bot; Home Page - Telnet BBS Guide
15:31 highest_cubist_thrills; we have established that you can do bbs over telnet, yes?
15:31 schestowitz[TR]; :~$ telnet oddnetwork.org
15:31 schestowitz[TR]; try this..
15:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i know how telnet works.
15:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think you realise how it works.
15:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but its simple enough to figure this out.
15:32 highest_cubist_thrills; ill keep trying to get through to you for a minute. this is purely technical so theres at least a chance.
15:33 highest_cubist_thrills; the main difference between telnet and ssh is that ssh is secure
15:33 highest_cubist_thrills; fsvo secure
15:33 schestowitz[TR]; hmmm "AnusCake BBS"
15:33 highest_cubist_thrills; sounds delightful.
15:34 highest_cubist_thrills; are you familiar with /etc/shells
15:34 highest_cubist_thrills; have you ever modified it
15:35 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.facebook.com/416274978767334/posts/gemini-bbs-why-choose-just-one-most-sets-come-in-two-colors-or-more-and-have-two/534223053639192/
15:35 TR Bot; Log into Facebook | Facebook
15:35 schestowitz[TR]; lol
15:35 schestowitz[TR]; photos of panties and bras
15:36 schestowitz[TR]; "gemini vs bbs"
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15:37 highest_cubist_thrills; you can put any interactive text program in /etc/shells <- not that you necessarily should
15:37 highest_cubist_thrills; interactive
15:37 highest_cubist_thrills; text program
15:37 highest_cubist_thrills; a shell (bash ksh zsh) is an interactive text program
15:37 highest_cubist_thrills; a bbs is an interactive text program
15:37 TR News; Pseudoscience http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2022/09/the-multiverse-science-religion-or.html
15:37 TR Bot; Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: The Multiverse: Science, Religion, or Pseudoscience?
15:38 highest_cubist_thrills; before ssh existed, you could use telnet.
15:38 highest_cubist_thrills; the benefits of an ssh connection (over telnet) when there is no password, youd have to ask someone who knows more about security.
15:39 highest_cubist_thrills; the first thing i think of is that telnet clients probably arent as well maintained as ssh, but i guess thats up for debate.
15:39 highest_cubist_thrills; there may be other advantages.
15:39 TR News; "If you want a Top Level Domain which you can renew for a decade, the cheapest appears to be .feedback which costs a smidge under 13 for 10 years." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/09/whats-the-cheapest-domain-you-can-register-for-10-years/
15:39 TR Bot; Whats the cheapest domain you can register for 10 years? Terence Edens Blog
15:39 highest_cubist_thrills; for all i know, ssh provides the equivalent of ssl/tls regardless of password. but if theres no password, i mean
15:40 schestowitz[TR]; cubexyz: https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-05-rubik-s-cube-to-the-rescue.html
15:40 TR Bot; Rubiks Cube to the Rescue - Bjrn Wrmedal
15:40 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know shit about that. maybe its trivial to eavesdrop on ssh if the password is default or known.
15:40 highest_cubist_thrills; but i do know a second way to secure that connection that works. you wouldnt use it anyway. but its not related to LF.
15:41 highest_cubist_thrills; nor LE.
15:41 frog; nice sunday, re-implemented some sudo/doas utility, and it works, won't need any gnu-toolchain nor gnu-buildsystem dependency
15:41 highest_cubist_thrills; at any rate, any service that uses telnet you should be able to simply run over ssh instead.
15:41 highest_cubist_thrills; including a bbs.
15:41 highest_cubist_thrills; because a bbs is just a shell.
15:41 frog; it is noteworthy, how fast and simple programming can be, without GNU
15:42 highest_cubist_thrills; if you think of it as anything else, youll miss the (very practical) point
15:42 highest_cubist_thrills; practical because it makes it pretty easy for people to make their own bbs.
15:42 frog; there is a song, without or without GNU, with or without GNU huhu
15:43 highest_cubist_thrills; and since we all love text, and all hate the web
15:43 highest_cubist_thrills; making a bbs does sound like fun
15:43 highest_cubist_thrills; if only it was as simple as writing an interactive text program and adding it to /etc/shell
15:43 highest_cubist_thrills; /etc/shells
15:43 highest_cubist_thrills; oh wait, it pretty much is. then you just need to allow connections to it.
15:44 TR News; "NNCP is one of those things that almost defies explanation. It is a toolkit for building asynchronous networks. It can use as a carrier: a pipe, TCP network connection, a mounted filesystem (specifically intended for cases like this), and much more." https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10421-dead-usb-drives-are-fine-building-a-reliable-sneakernet
15:44 TR Bot; Dead USB Drives Are Fine: Building a Reliable Sneakernet | The Changelog
15:44 highest_cubist_thrills; you can use telnet for that. personally i would use ssh for that.
15:44 schestowitz[TR]; very serious problems:
15:44 schestowitz[TR]; not many people use that
15:44 highest_cubist_thrills; either way, its not tied to the phone line or modem.
15:44 schestowitz[TR]; there is no url structure
15:45 highest_cubist_thrills; not many people use that
15:45 schestowitz[TR]; client access (not all gnu/linux distros have those)
15:45 highest_cubist_thrills; client access (not all gnu/linux distros have those) <- are you suggesting theres a widely-used distro that is incapable of doing ssh?
15:45 schestowitz[TR]; no, telnet
15:46 highest_cubist_thrills; as for the fact that most people dont use bbs, most of them use the web. so just use the web then.
15:46 schestowitz[TR]; you don't want a guest anon account for ssh
15:46 highest_cubist_thrills; you don't want a guest anon account for ssh <- why not
15:46 schestowitz[TR]; even most tlnet servers require you have an account
15:46 highest_cubist_thrills; no, telnet <- why would you prefer telnet over ssh...
15:46 highest_cubist_thrills; its just legacy ssh.
15:47 schestowitz[TR]; bbs is legacy
15:47 highest_cubist_thrills; its issh (insecure shell)
15:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i thought you were interested in doing bbs.
15:47 highest_cubist_thrills; because you said youre still interested in doing bbs.
15:47 schestowitz[TR]; was
15:47 highest_cubist_thrills; you "were" "still" interested.
15:48 highest_cubist_thrills; okay
15:48 highest_cubist_thrills; well, that was fun.
15:48 TR News; "Because I like to paint I'm thinking about maybe painting something myself. It's a bit costly if I have to get all the materials, but if I do it at my mother's house I can use all of her stuff. She buys in bulk, being a hobbyist artist and all." https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-30-spending-my-own-money-for-office-comfort.html
15:48 TR Bot; Spending My Own Money for Office Comfort? - Bjrn Wrmedal
15:48 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont want conventional solutions because you think (probably correctly) that theyre bullshit
15:49 highest_cubist_thrills; but you also dont want unconventional solutions because theyre unconventional
15:49 TR News; "The price of dairy milk is now at parity with oat-milk and soya-milk. Yes, I'm sure there are some things for which plant milk is unsuitable." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/08/im-only-vegan-for-the-money/
15:49 TR Bot; Im only vegan for the money Terence Edens Blog
15:49 TR News; "Even if you ignore all the environmental benefits of switching from cow-milk to plant-milk, it's hard to ignore the benefit to your bank balance." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/08/im-only-vegan-for-the-money/
15:49 highest_cubist_thrills; the way things become conventions is by people using them
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; telnet is not secure
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; or not easy to secure
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; bbs over ssh is not bbs
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; and the back end bbs software is assuming lots of arcane stuff
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; hence I mentions modems
15:51 highest_cubist_thrills; its nto
15:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but youre wrong though
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; it's not documentation like,
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; follow this steps on Debian 11...
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; *these
15:52 highest_cubist_thrills; okay, well
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; ok, then
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; prove me wrong
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; set up a bbs server with m,enus and colours and stuff
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; like neocities
15:52 highest_cubist_thrills; the point of the phone connection is to provide terminal access over a modem.
15:52 highest_cubist_thrills; the point of telnet is to do exactly the same over ip.
15:52 highest_cubist_thrills; so that brings you forward from "phones and modems"
15:53 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the first step.
15:53 highest_cubist_thrills; but i dont actually recommend telnet
15:53 highest_cubist_thrills; when bbs moved from phones to telnet-- it didnt stop being bbs
15:53 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.hackster.io/news/bringing-a-1980s-bbs-back-to-life-with-the-raspberry-pi-e487e2a2e2ee
15:53 TR Bot; a 1980s BBS Back to Life With the Raspberry Pi - Hackster.io
15:53 highest_cubist_thrills; it was practically the same thing.
15:54 highest_cubist_thrills; telnet and and ssh have even more in common than phone bbs and telnet bbs
15:54 *psydruid thinks it should be possible to implement a bbs clone using tls/ssh for the "modern" age
15:54 highest_cubist_thrills; people do provide services (not many) over ssh.
15:54 highest_cubist_thrills; its just modern telnet.
15:54 highest_cubist_thrills; so to say bbs over ssh isnt bbs is
15:54 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean its simply a fallacy
15:54 highest_cubist_thrills; its like saying cherry ice cream isnt ice cream
15:54 psydruid; nostalgia?
15:55 schestowitz[TR]; last releasE: last xmas: http://www.mysticbbs.com/
15:55 TR Bot; Mystic BBS : Home
15:55 highest_cubist_thrills; bbs over telnet or phone is certainly more traditional
15:55 highest_cubist_thrills; but you can still do telnet if you want
15:55 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont want.
15:56 highest_cubist_thrills; so use something else. i recommend ssh because
15:56 highest_cubist_thrills; its basically modern telnet.
15:57 highest_cubist_thrills; set up a bbs server with m,enus and colours <- you realise that "colours" is just...
15:57 TR News; RELEASE: The Yoyo of Zonk gemini://kdx.smol.pub/tyoz-release-2022-09-25
15:58 highest_cubist_thrills; echo "\033[32m Hi Welcome to our BBS!"
15:58 highest_cubist_thrills; and "menus" is just
15:58 highest_cubist_thrills; get input from the keyboard and branch accordingly
15:58 highest_cubist_thrills; you could do it with a bash script and read.
15:59 highest_cubist_thrills; id prefer python, you could also use perl.
16:00 highest_cubist_thrills; theres your "bbs"
16:01 highest_cubist_thrills; http://mysticbbs.com/features.html <- "TELNET, RLOGIN, and SSH servers allowing up to 250 simultaneous terminal users"
16:01 TR Bot; Mystic BBS : Features
16:02 TR News; "The oligarchs have spent decades abolishing or domesticating unions, turning the few unions that remain only 10.7 percent of the workforce is unionized into obsequious junior" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/19/chris-hedges-strike-strike-strike/
16:02 TR Bot; Hedges: Strike, Strike, Strike scheerpost.com
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16:03 highest_cubist_thrills; Embedded Python can be used to develop BBS modifications and games as an alternative to MPL
16:03 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean you could do mystic
16:04 highest_cubist_thrills; it sounds like a very complete package
16:05 highest_cubist_thrills; im not sure mystic is under a free license
16:06 MinceR; (cat) https://apina.biz/50614.jpg?mode=sfw
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16:12 TR News; API as a package: Logging https://www.jumpingrivers.com/blog/api-as-a-package-logging/
16:12 TR Bot; API as a package: Logging
16:13 TR News; "Ill spare the details, but as I eluded to on Wednesday, stuff is rubbish right now. Its the most challenging time since my late mum passed away, for a host of complicated or unavoidable reasons. At any given moment Im desperate, upset, blue, or frustrated." https://rubenerd.com/how-minds-process-bad-news/
16:13 TR Bot; How minds process bad news
16:16 TR News; Gartner: Microsoft shills (and others' masquerading as "experts" when their real services are lying, lobbying, and ad hominem (mentioned in passing because some idiots still cite Gartner as if it's real advice) http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
16:16 TR Bot; Gartner Group - Techrights
16:17 TR News; [PATCH v2 00/12] io-uring/btrfs: support async buffered writes - Stefan Roesch https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/20220908002616.3189675-1-shr@fb.com/ Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/20220908002616.3189675-1-shr@fb.com/
16:17 TR Bot; [PATCH v2 00/12] io-uring/btrfs: support async buffered writes - Stefan Roesch
16:19 TR News; "Or at least, what I look like if I deliver the prompt Jeff Geerling, realistic, photograph, sharp focus to Stable Diffusion, a machine learning, text-to-image model." So total BS? https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/jeff-geerling-stably-diffused
16:19 TR Bot; Jeff Geerling, Stably Diffused | Jeff Geerling
16:19 TR News; "Infinite Fluidity shows an almost seamless transition between different concepts. Where does one concept end and where does a new one start? Using stable diffusion to illustrate and to stimulate reflection." https://provos.org/index.php?/archives/160-Inifite-Fluidity-with-Stable-Diffusion.html
16:19 TR Bot; Inifite Fluidity with Stable Diffusion | Niels Provos
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:25 TR News; "I've been really enjoying myself neck-deep in Forth. After implementing the basics of a i386 Forth, to the point of being able to define new words and load files, I started digging through my pre-covid notes from my last Forth bender, and uncovered a bunch of forgotten treasures..." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-09-25.unortho.gmi
16:26 highest_cubist_thrills; Mystic BBS uses Cryptlib in order to perform the encryption for SSH and SSL-based servers and clients. This library will be automatically detected on server startup, or whenever an outbound SSH menu action is executed from the BBS itself.
16:26 highest_cubist_thrills; outbound SSH menu action
16:27 highest_cubist_thrills; Mystic BBS offers a SSH server that enables users to connect using securely using SSH to your BBS.
16:27 highest_cubist_thrills; so yeah, i think its safe to say that ssh-based bbs isnt a new idea.
16:27 TR News; Some new HTTP verbs https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/09/some-new-http-verbs/
16:27 TR Bot; Some new HTTP verbs Terence Edens Blog
16:28 highest_cubist_thrills; probably just the easiest way (other than using an existing product, if you can find one under a free license) to create a bbs in a way that gets around things like "i really dont want to use telnet"
16:29 TR News; "A few days ago I wrote a (now unpublished) article about how you can't express a certain problem I keep manuvering myself with Rust's lifetimes." http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2022/9/11/abstracting-over-ownership
16:29 highest_cubist_thrills; and you probably dont want to use telnet.
16:29 TR Bot; You Can't Do That: Abstracting over Ownership in Rust with Higher-Rank Type Bounds. Or Can You? | Armin Ronacher's Thoughts and Writings
16:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but the option is there
16:30 TR News; "Whether you knew this or not, you probably did know that mobile phones work with the next best thing to magic, which is physics" http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2022/09/the-trouble-with-5g.html
16:30 TR Bot; Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: The Trouble with 5G
16:32 TR News; "In short, there's very little to stop a malicious actor from creating fake vouchers or re-using duplicate ones. And your rival could attempt to bankrupt you by offering excessive discounts which you are then obliged to cover." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/09/my-shop-will-gladly-accept-a-rival-shops-discount-coupons/
16:32 TR Bot; My shop will gladly accept a competitors discount coupons Terence Edens Blog
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16:33 TR News; Mozilla dropped the ball https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/01/impressions-on-chrome-brave/
16:33 TR Bot; Impressions on Web Browsers - Alexandru Nedelcu
16:36 TR News; "as George Carlin put it, people spending money they dont have, on stuff they dont need, to impress people they dont like. How much of our economy would collapse overnight if people didnt overextend themselves?" https://rubenerd.com/the-pushback-against-decluttering/
16:36 TR Bot; The pushback against decluttering
16:37 highest_cubist_thrills; It is important to understand that commands are not executed from bash when Mystic runs them, they are executing the system shell. In other words, if you want to test a command line you should test it accordingly outside of Mystic by executing: /bin/sh -c <Your command line here> to see if it works.
16:38 highest_cubist_thrills; In the Linux and macOS versions, Mystic automatically redirects the standard input and output of external programs, allowing many programs that are not even designed for BBSes to be used.
16:38 highest_cubist_thrills; a python program could do that as well
16:38 TR News; "Union Minister of State for Home Nityanand Rai said that according to details provided by the Ministry of External Affairs, individuals renounced Indian citizenship for reasons personal to them and took citizenship in over 120 countries." https://www.newsclick.in/parliament-today-3.92-lakh-indians-gave-up-citizenship-past-3-years-govt
16:38 TR Bot; Parliament Today: 3.92 Lakh Indians Gave up Citizenship in Past 3 Years, Says Govt | NewsClick
16:38 highest_cubist_thrills; for example, if you wanted a user to be able to edit a file
16:38 highest_cubist_thrills; you could call a separate program for that
16:39 schestowitz[TR]; interestiing, maybe something to look at over xmas/ny
16:40 highest_cubist_thrills; of course ive done it before. i first experimented with ssh-based bbs ten years ago
16:41 highest_cubist_thrills; usually when i have these ideas, unbeknownst to me, someone is already working on it.
16:41 highest_cubist_thrills; i thought it would be really cool to have cpus you could program to act like other cpus.
16:41 highest_cubist_thrills; fpgas were already being worked on.
16:41 TR News; "Similarly, much of the 2000s discourse around social media and web 2.0 was also imbued with a dogged sense of hope and enthusiasm. [...] Tech For Good as a mis-reading of ethics?" https://criticaledtech.com/2022/09/16/whats-not-good-with-tech-for-good-notes-on-radhakrishnan-powell-et-al/
16:41 highest_cubist_thrills; i thought it would be really cool to have bbs over ssh
16:41 TR Bot; Whats not good with Tech For Good? (notes on Radhakrishnan and Powell et al.) Critical Studies of EDUCATION & TECHNOLOGY
16:42 highest_cubist_thrills; its been done.
16:42 highest_cubist_thrills; idk when the first one was, but i consider the idea obvious enough.
16:42 highest_cubist_thrills; ssh is just modern telnet.
16:43 TR News; "When you enable the GZip compression module in Apache, it will actually append a little -gzip suffix to the end of these generated hash values for the ETags." https://austingil.com/apache-gzip-etags-edge-compute/
16:43 TR Bot; Fixing Obscure Bugs: Apache, GZip, ETags, & Edge Compute
16:43 highest_cubist_thrills; note that to do ssh, mystic requires users to have an account and password
16:44 highest_cubist_thrills; thats probably the best way to do it, but the reason i mentioned the gemini service is that i believe its passwordless
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; ssh is different in its purpose
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; to a web site for instance
16:44 highest_cubist_thrills; youre thinking in terms of products, not technology
16:44 highest_cubist_thrills; its like im telling you that lasers can be used in surgery
16:45 schestowitz[TR]; it's like serving over ftp a webapp
16:45 schestowitz[TR]; it is doable
16:45 highest_cubist_thrills; and youre saying lasers are different, theyre for communications.
16:45 highest_cubist_thrills; well yeah, they can be.
16:45 schestowitz[TR]; ftp is for file sharing in some sense
16:45 highest_cubist_thrills; lets say i was you, and i wanted to make a bbs
16:46 schestowitz[TR]; but usually one-way, although it was common the have uploads in the old days
16:46 highest_cubist_thrills; the first thing i would do is make the text-only version of tr available by year / month / date / article
16:46 schestowitz[TR]; with bbs linking would be hard
16:46 schestowitz[TR]; it's not gemtexct
16:46 highest_cubist_thrills; i see what you mean
16:46 schestowitz[TR]; the articles have links in them
16:47 schestowitz[TR]; automating navigatioin for 24k posts would be hard
16:47 schestowitz[TR]; 34k
16:47 schestowitz[TR]; and then i'[m not sure how well konsole deals with external (http) links
16:48 schestowitz[TR]; gopher has a file structure
16:48 schestowitz[TR]; also not great
16:49 highest_cubist_thrills; automating navigatioin for 24k posts would be hard <- not if theyre in folders by year / month / day
16:50 highest_cubist_thrills; but links would be very tricky
16:50 highest_cubist_thrills; because once you implement that, you have two issues
16:50 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean with a bbs everything is server side
16:50 highest_cubist_thrills; not client side
16:51 highest_cubist_thrills; so any links you go to would be fetched from YOUR server
16:51 highest_cubist_thrills; the technological way to do linking is trivial
16:51 highest_cubist_thrills; install elinks. but now... people can use elinks to go anywhere
16:51 highest_cubist_thrills; from YOUR server
16:51 highest_cubist_thrills; you could hack elinks to restrict it...
16:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but then, only to what?
16:52 highest_cubist_thrills; only to sites that tr links to?
16:52 highest_cubist_thrills; you see the issue there.
16:52 highest_cubist_thrills; personally i wouldnt bother supporting links
16:52 highest_cubist_thrills; id just make it so it said for example
16:52 highest_cubist_thrills; for linking to https://zdnet.co.uk
16:52 highest_cubist_thrills; it would literally just say:
16:52 TR Bot; connect to zdnet.co.uk:443; Operation now in progress ( status 0 @ https://zdnet.co.uk )
16:52 highest_cubist_thrills; https://zdnet.co.uk
16:53 highest_cubist_thrills; let the user worry about how to get to that address
16:53 highest_cubist_thrills; dont provide it as part of the bbs
16:53 highest_cubist_thrills; but for other articles
16:53 highest_cubist_thrills; you have a choice
16:53 highest_cubist_thrills; do you make it possible to navigate to other articles
16:54 highest_cubist_thrills; or do you simply give the year / month / day name
16:55 highest_cubist_thrills; bbs works best for information that is local
16:55 immibis_; highest_cubist_thrills: I'd be surprised if ssh *required* a password, though it is possible, what with the mandatory security theatre nowadays
16:55 highest_cubist_thrills; anything that takes you outside of the bbs...
16:55 highest_cubist_thrills; normally you log off the bbs first. thats traditional.
16:56 highest_cubist_thrills; its also trivial to implement
16:56 highest_cubist_thrills; if you want your bbs to serve information from outside of itself, thats less trivial.
16:56 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe even foolish
16:57 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont doubt that someone has done it-- you may or may not want to. i think it would be a poor choice.
16:57 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/countingsheep.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-countingsheep#comic )
16:57 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
16:59 immibis_; apparently SSH supports PAM so you could use a dummy module that accepts everything
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.36
17:05 highest_cubist_thrills; thats less trivial. <- its easy to do
17:06 highest_cubist_thrills; but not so easy in a way that prevents your bbs from becoming a proxy to the entire web
17:07 highest_cubist_thrills; you can use wget -O- or curl or even urllib (the latter will disappoint you)
17:07 highest_cubist_thrills; you can even use a full text browser like elinks
17:07 highest_cubist_thrills; but everything is fetched from YOUR connection as well as the users
17:09 highest_cubist_thrills; so youre letting every user surf the web from your internet connection
17:09 highest_cubist_thrills; all the more reason to focus on things that are stored locally
17:09 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what bbs is traditionally for
17:10 highest_cubist_thrills; people also use bbs to create information
17:10 highest_cubist_thrills; so people can message each other on the system or participate in a "forum"
17:10 highest_cubist_thrills; this requires moderation
17:11 highest_cubist_thrills; otherwise you log on to the bbs and find that herr doctor has created stormfront bbs
17:11 highest_cubist_thrills; so do you want to make it so people can run forums? idk
17:12 highest_cubist_thrills; interaction between users is a pretty standard bbs feature
17:12 highest_cubist_thrills; but its not like theres a law that says bbs has to provide that
17:12 highest_cubist_thrills; once you understand that bbs is just a shell, and that most if not all features are server side
17:13 highest_cubist_thrills; you decide what features you want
17:13 highest_cubist_thrills; i doubt youll want outgoing links though.
17:14 highest_cubist_thrills; and im sure youd want it to do more than just be another tr mirror
17:14 highest_cubist_thrills; thats just a place to start
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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17:55 immibis_; highest_cubist_thrills: see also MUDs
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:20 starstreak; immibis_, I was just playing Legend of the Red Dragon on a BBS
18:21 starstreak; i use bbses btw
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18:41 starstreak; sssssssssstarstreak
18:46 MinceR; do you know of a console file manager that can still handle zip files, unlike mc?
18:48 starstreak; no
18:48 MinceR; great
18:49 MinceR; i'm fucking sick of this IT industry
18:49 MinceR; and i'm fucking sick of humanity
18:50 starstreak; TIL that mc handles zip
18:50 starstreak; TIL that mc can explore the contents of a zip, and an iso inside of a zip
18:53 MinceR; it used to handle zip
18:53 starstreak; it still does
18:53 MinceR; now it either has the browser "download" it, or it just does nothing
18:54 starstreak; maybe you're missing a library or a plugin
18:55 starstreak; My version of mc is 4.8.28
18:55 MinceR; the uzip executable is right there
18:55 MinceR; zip and unzip are installed
18:56 starstreak; what version of mc?
18:56 starstreak; you can find out by going to help
18:57 MinceR; void's mc is 4.8.28_1, devuan's mc is 4.8.26
18:57 starstreak; i got 4.8.28 and mine handles zip
18:57 MinceR; maybe mc is like qemu and gnome now, and is being developed in reverse
18:57 starstreak; i was even able to explore the contents of an iso inside a zip
18:58 MinceR; "this week we'll break setting vnc passwords and zip handling"
18:58 starstreak; i think its user error, sorry to say
18:58 MinceR; yeah, you pressed the enter key in a slightly different angle
18:58 MinceR; i don't know what the fuck i expected of you
18:58 starstreak; lol
18:58 starstreak; maybe mc now depends on systemd-zip
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 94.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 112.38
19:00 MinceR; and of course web search engines are also fucking useless now
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19:09 frog; midnight commander depends on GNU glib, and i do miss it, mc
19:09 MinceR; it wouldn't even start if i didn't have glib
19:10 MinceR; nnn and fff have the same idiotic behavior with zip files
19:10 frog; tried noice and nnn too, and then removed it... had to dig inside the sources, and found the quality was slightly irritating
19:11 starstreak; im guessing it has to do with xdg-open
19:11 MinceR; i'll have to set up a fucking VM with a GNU/Linux distro from 2000 so i can have tools that work at all
19:11 MinceR; yeah, "free"desktop people can go fuck themselves
19:11 MinceR; what i don't get is why these piles of shit insist on using xdg-open by default
19:12 starstreak; the latest mc does open zip files, just not on your system
19:12 MinceR; when at least one of them literally has a fucking VFS built in with zip support
19:13 starstreak; they started using xdg-open over 9 years ago
19:13 frog; midnight commander encourages a non-unix workflow, besides glib/gnu that's another problem
19:15 TR News; How to trigger services restart after OpenBSD update gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-reboot-syspatch.gmi
19:17 TR News; "I'm confident that motivation arrive at some point. I just need to distract myself until it does, and stop letting myself feeling bad about it." gemini://apintandaparma.club/~ajc/log/2022-09-25.gmi
19:17 MinceR; afaict i don't have an association for application/zip at all
19:17 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> yeah, "free"desktop people can go fuck themselves <- if they did it would require more libraries than x, and they would still say its too much unmaintained/unmaintainable code
19:17 highest_cubist_thrills; funny how they always replace such things with more
19:18 MinceR; funny how "unmaintained" only bothers them when it isn't theirs
19:18 MinceR; meanwhile deadian has forced systemd on users for 7 years and it still doesn't fucking work properly
19:19 TR News; Pay For LibreOffice? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Hk6Sy90hnj4 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/Hk6Sy90hnj4
19:19 TR Bot; Pay For LibreOffice? - Invidious
19:19 MinceR; fedora has forced systemd on users for 11 years and it still doesn't fucking work properly
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; meanwhile deadian has forced systemd on users for 7 years and it still doesn't fucking work properly <- debateable
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; if not working properly is the actual point
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; then its working EXTREMELY well
19:19 MinceR; what's the point of maintaining software, then?
19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; to make money for the third reich
19:20 MinceR; what's the point of whining about the code of /usr/bin/false not being changed every month?
19:20 MinceR; or maybe it's /bin/false
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; its not about software, its about ca$h
19:20 frog; lol
19:20 MinceR; it's not about engineering, it's about propaganda and control
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; ls: /bin/false: No such file or directory
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; oh ok
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; /usr/bin/false
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; /me didnt get much sleep
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; The false utility always exits with a non-zero exit code.
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; man false
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; man false, another man ryse
19:22 TR News; Too much for "hello world" https://bkhome.org/news/202209/rust-hello-world-reduced-to-31kb.html
19:22 TR Bot; Rust Hello World reduced to 31KB
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; it's about propaganda and control <- but now its called free software
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; thanks richard!
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; join us now and share the propaganda
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; youll be controlled, users! youll be... controllllllled!
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; developers may have lots of source code, that is true, users, that is true
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; but it will all be taken over by ibm
19:24 TR News; WSL is back door. AWS has back door. This isn't something you can secure. You're obviously clueless if you do this. https://kerneltalks.com/tools/securing-aws-credentials-in-wsl-using-aws-vault/
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; evermore, users, evermore!
19:24 TR Bot; Securing AWS credentials in WSL using aws-vault - Kernel Talks
19:24 TR News; Best Steam Deck Games Released in the Past Week - 2022-09-26 Edition - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/best-steam-deck-games-in-past-week-2022-09-26/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/best-steam-deck-games-in-past-week-2022-09-26/
19:24 TR Bot; Best Steam Deck Games Released in the Past Week - 2022-09-26 Edition - Boiling Steam
19:25 TR News; Get ready for a pink adventure https://www.scummvm.org/news/20220925/
19:25 TR Bot; ScummVM :: Home
19:26 TR News; course change for Kephra | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2022/09/course-change-for-kephra.html Source: Perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2022/09/course-change-for-kephra.html
19:26 TR Bot; change for Kephra | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org]
19:27 frog; GNU has quality issues, beginning with their toolchain, buildsystem and the bootstrapping of it
19:27 TR News; Perl Weekly Challenge 182: Unique Array and Date Difference http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/09/perl-weekly-challenge-182-unique-array-and-date-difference.html
19:27 TR Bot; Weekly Challenge 182: Unique Array and Date Difference | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
19:27 TR News; pgmoneta 0.6 https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgmoneta-06-2514/
19:27 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pgmoneta 0.6
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19:28 TR News; "The pgexporter community is happy to announce version 0.3.0." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgexporter-03-2513/
19:28 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pgexporter 0.3
19:28 frog; today, by removing sudo/doas and re-implementing some suckless variant, i can remove yacc/bison
19:29 frog; just a tiny little piece, the dependencies of this
19:30 frog; in my tcc-toolchain devdrop build, there isn't any GNU bison anymore, since i removed doas utility
19:31 frog; full removal of autoconf/automake and any dependency which ships with a configure.ac is another huge milestone
19:31 TR News; (NEW): NewsFlash RSS Reader Has Been Ported to GTK 4 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/NewsFlash_RSS_Reader_Has_Been_Ported_to_GTK_4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/NewsFlash_RSS_Reader_Has_Been_Ported_to_GTK_4.gmi
19:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines NewsFlash RSS Reader Has Been Ported to GTK 4
19:32 frog; https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/systemd-support-is-now-available-in-wsl/
19:32 TR Bot; Systemd support is now available in WSL! - Windows Command Line
19:32 frog; schestowitz[TR]: there is only one worse thing than MICROS~1, it is MICROS~1 being the copyright holder of GNU
19:33 TR News; (NEW): PostgreSQL: pgexporter 0.3 and pgmoneta 0.6 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/PostgreSQL_pgexporter_0_3_and_pgmoneta_0_6.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/PostgreSQL_pgexporter_0_3_and_pgmoneta_0_6.gmi
19:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines PostgreSQL: pgexporter 0.3 and pgmoneta 0.6
19:34 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
19:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
19:39 starstreak; I am prepared for Gnome 43: https://i.imgur.com/ymfjQdB.png
19:40 starstreak; I got an addon that let me add "Open in Gnome-Terminal"
19:42 MinceR; turns out there was something special about that zip file that made something decide "i know, i'll just run xdg-open on it, that's a good trick!"
19:43 starstreak; bad zip file?
19:43 MinceR; i made a simpler test file and it worked fine
19:43 MinceR; not really bad, far.exe opens it fine
19:43 MinceR; (except for all the error messages from wine fucking up the ui)
19:43 starstreak; told ya, mc does open zip
19:43 MinceR; i also made a 7z file and that works fine in mc
19:43 starstreak; nice
19:43 starstreak; 7z is my favourite
19:44 MinceR; there's something deeply sick about this industry when the natural response to a VFS being unable to deal with a zip file is "hey, just open it with xdg-open"
19:52 TR News; LibreOffice Writer: Mail Merge Made Easy https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/09/libreoffice-writer-mail-merge-made-easy.html Source: Ubuntubuzz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/09/libreoffice-writer-mail-merge-made-easy.html
19:52 TR Bot; LibreOffice Writer: Mail Merge Made Easy
19:54 starstreak; i use netscape 3.04 btw: https://i.imgur.com/WDpbVrf.png
19:56 TR News; From one piece of spyware to another https://danielmiessler.com/blog/using-custom-searches-in-safari/
19:56 TR Bot; Using Custom Searches in Safari - Daniel Miessler
20:07 TR News; British Government Stops Properly Reporting How Many COVID-19 Patients Are Admitted to Hospital and Die (as Winter Approaches and Numbers Already Goes Up) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/25/no-data-no-problems/
20:07 TR News; (NEW): LibreOffice Mail Merge and Fee http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/LibreOffice_Mail_Merge_and_Fee.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/LibreOffice_Mail_Merge_and_Fee.gmi
20:07 TR Bot; Blog Archive British Government Stops Properly Reporting How Many COVID-19 Patients Are Admitted to Hospital and Die (as Winter Approaches and Numbers Already Goes Up)
20:07 TR Bot; Tux Machines LibreOffice Mail Merge and Fee
20:08 TR News; E52: Learnings from Chef & the Future of Open Source https://anchor.fm/ossstartuppodcast/episodes/E52-Learnings-from-Chef--the-Future-of-Open-Source-e1o4c0l
20:08 TR Bot; E52: Learnings from Chef & the Future of Open Source by Open Source Startup Podcast
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20:10 TR News; Perks? It's proprietary software, it's a prison, and it is controlled by criminals (Microsoft) https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/09/github-the-perks-of-collaboration-and-version-control/
20:10 TR Bot; The Perks of Collaboration and Version Control | R-bloggers
20:10 schestowitz[TR]; hi starstreak
20:10 schestowitz[TR]; you look like a teen now
20:11 starstreak; hi schestowitz[TR]
20:11 starstreak; i look like a teen?
20:12 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak_win311
20:12 schestowitz[TR]; early 90s... joke
20:12 starstreak; :)
20:12 starstreak; win311 is more functional than fvwm
20:12 schestowitz[TR]; what are you doing on that virtual thing anyway? minesweeper?
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20:13 starstreak; i was fixing the sound card settings
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20:14 TR News; "We are proud to announce the first alpha release of PowerDNS Recursor 4.8.0." https://blog.powerdns.com/2022/09/23/first-alpha-release-of-powerdns-recursor-4-8-0/
20:14 TR Bot; First Alpha Release of PowerDNS Recursor 4.8.0 | PowerDNS Blog
20:14 TR News; Why the Online News Act is a Bad Solution to a Real Problem, Part Four: Undermining Canadian Copyright Law and International Copyright Treaty Obligations https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/09/why-the-online-news-act-is-a-bad-solution-to-a-real-problem-part-four/
20:15 TR Bot; Why the Online News Act is a Bad Solution to a Real Problem, Part Four: Undermining Canadian Copyright Law and International Copyright Treaty Obligations - Michael Geist
20:15 TR News; "Per typical ROS-I meetings, it started with an update on general ROS-I open source project/program updates." https://rosindustrial.org/news/2022/9/22/fall-2022-ros-i-community-meeting-happenings
20:15 TR Bot; Fall 2022 ROS-I Community Meeting Happenings ROS-Industrial
20:18 TR News; "Mandiant is tracking multiple self-proclaimed hacktivist groups working in support of Russian interests. These groups have primarily conducted distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks and leaked stolen data from victim organizations." https://www.mandiant.com/resources/blog/gru-rise-telegram-minions
20:18 TR Bot; Rise of the (Telegram) MinIOns | Mandiant
20:19 TR News; liam_on_linux | On the strange joys of mainframe OSes and legacy tech that has survived into modern times https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/86995.html Source: Liam Proven | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/86995.html
20:19 TR Bot; liam_on_linux | On the strange joys of mainframe OSes and legacy tech that has survived into modern times
20:20 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
20:23 TR News; "This story was handed down to generations of economics students, despite the fact that there is no evidence for it. The basis for this story was pure reasoning: "What circumstances could have given us money?"" https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/16/nondiscretionary-liabilities/#quatloos
20:23 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 16 Sep 2022 Moneylike Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
20:24 TR News; "Here are my cynical thoughts about some common ones." https://xeiaso.net/blog/push-2fa-considered-harmful
20:24 starstreak; the network card was working but it was using the same IRQ as the sound card, so sound wasn't working
20:24 TR Bot; Push notification two-factor auth considered harmful - Xe
20:24 TR News; A minimal distributed key-value database with Hashicorp's Raft library | notes.eatonphil.com https://notes.eatonphil.com/minimal-key-value-store-with-hashicorp-raft.html Source: Stefano Marinelli | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//notes.eatonphil.com/minimal-key-value-store-with-hashicorp-raft.html
20:24 TR Bot; minimal distributed key-value database with Hashicorp's Raft library | notes.eatonphil.com
20:25 MinceR; apparently starstreak uses a different windows, a different fvwm or both from the ones i know
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20:26 TR News; "For those who havent heard of him, D.B. Cooper, as the press dubbed him, successfully hijacked a Boeing 727 in 1971, and parachuted out the planes rear airstairs mid-flight with millions of dollars. The man, and most of the money, have never been found." https://rubenerd.com/pg-morgan-discusses-db-cooper/
20:26 TR Bot; P.G. Morgans insights into D.B. Cooper
20:26 TR News; "To uncover the answers to these questions requires intelligence collection and analysis." https://gru.gq/2022/09/17/quantified-failure/
20:26 TR Bot; Quantified Failure
20:27 TR News; For dumb, gullible, insecure, 'consumers' https://staceyoniot.com/adding-smarts-to-a-garage-door-isnt-always-ideal/
20:27 TR Bot; Adding smarts to a garage door isn't always ideal - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
20:28 TR News; Sadly, Debian outsourced the CI to it, so the NSA has leverage over Debian now https://matt-rickard.com/google-infra-for-everyone-else
20:28 TR Bot; Google Infra For Everyone Else in 2022
20:29 TR News; Making Web site based on the false assumption everyone is a dumb consumer with "Apple"-branded PC https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/font-family-and-supports/
20:29 TR Bot; Font Family and @supports - Jim Nielsens Blog
20:30 TR News; "I got a Ledger Nano X hardware cryptocurrency wallet." Sounds like a bunch of bullshit tbh. https://xeiaso.net/blog/trying-to-use-security-token
20:30 TR Bot; My new, weird smartcard and how I learned to use it - Xe
20:31 TR News; "There may even be a return of support for big-endian, at least for 64-bit Power (32-bit Power to be considered), as well as Chimera's core support for ppc64le, aarch64 and x86_64 (with 64-bit RISC-V coming)." https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/void-ppc-goes-chimera-and-bust.html
20:31 TR Bot; Void PPC goes Chimera (and bust)
20:31 TR News; Authenticated SMTP and IMAP authentication attacks and attempts we see here https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/AuthSMTPAndIMAPAttemptsHere
20:31 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/AuthSMTPAndIMAPAttemptsHere
20:31 starstreak; MinceR, thats fair, i used fvwm on openbsd
20:32 starstreak; i actually went looking for screenshots of fvwm and it looks like you can configure it to look like anything
20:32 starstreak; thats pretty swank
20:32 MinceR; not just look like anything
20:32 MinceR; behavior is also very configurable
20:32 MinceR; for example, i put a resize button in the top left corner (in the title bar)
20:33 TR News; "It warns that bulk retention may reveal habits of everyday life, permanent or temporary places of residence, daily or other movements, the activities carried out, the social relationships of those persons and the social environments frequented by them." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/data-retention-ruling-lets-free-europe-from-mass-surveillance-and-general-suspicion/
20:33 TR Bot; Data retention ruling: Lets free Europe from mass surveillance and general suspicion! Patrick Breyer
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20:36 TR News; Queen Elizabeth and King Rupert: seven decades of exercising soft power and hard https://michaelwest.com.au/queen-elizabeth-and-king-rupert-seven-decades-of-exercising-soft-power-and-hard/
20:36 TR Bot; Queen Elizabeth and King Rupert: seven decades of exercising soft power and hard - Michael West
20:36 starstreak; MinceR, yeah thats pretty cool tbh
20:36 TR News; "Ill be turning my attention to the Prohibition Orcs copyedits next. Then its back to the Epic Giant Fiction Project, and another tech book, title TBA." https://mwl.io/archives/22303
20:36 TR Bot; OpenBSD Mastery: Filesystems draft done! Michael W Lucas
20:37 TR News; "My brain is going offline until next Tuesday to show respect during the Necroqueen's procession into the Western Lands." http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2022/09/necroqueen.html
20:37 TR Bot; Necroqueen! - Charlie's Diary
20:38 TR News; Microsoft is not social. Proprietary software is NOT social. CRIME IS NOT SOCIAL. https://matt-rickard.com/social-coding
20:38 TR Bot; Social Coding
20:39 TR News; "GitLab, which among other things, is GitHub but de-emphasizes the social features it's more likely to be deployed on-prem and overall has significantly fewer consumer public users and projects. GitLab's current market cap is $8.5b (GitHub was acquired by Microsoft in 2019 for $7.5b)." https://matt-rickard.com/social-coding
20:39 TR News; "split-overlap.py is a tool to split a binary file in parts of a given size." https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/09/18/new-tool-split-overlap-py/
20:39 TR Bot; New Tool: split-overlap.py | Didier Stevens
20:40 TR News; Disentangling the Facts From the Hype of Quantum Computing https://spectrum.ieee.org/ieee-quantum-week
20:40 TR Bot; Disentangling the Facts From the Hype of Quantum Computing - IEEE Spectrum
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20:41 TR News; It's Just a Tarball https://matt-rickard.com/its-just-a-tarball
20:41 TR Bot; It's Just a Tarball
20:43 TR News; Earthquakes seem to come in a more predictable pattern than we thought https://www.newscientist.com/article/2334746-earthquakes-seem-to-come-in-a-more-predictable-pattern-than-we-thought/
20:43 TR Bot; Earthquakes seem to come in a more predictable pattern than we thought | New Scientist
20:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I just recompiled the Opus binaries. Things haven't changed much since 1.3.1 was out as far as the CELT/SILK encoder goes.
20:46 DaemonFC; Almost all of the recent improvements have been minor and on the SILK layer, which you generally don't use at bitrates appropriate for music.
20:47 DaemonFC; If you'll be using it for speech coding, perhaps you'd build from latest git.
20:48 DaemonFC; I think at this point it really mostly is what it is and does what it does.
20:49 DaemonFC; It reached that point faster than MP3 did. Probably because the MP3 format was so poorly designed and the attempt was to obscure how it really worked to the greatest extent possible while still getting an ISO standard.
20:49 DaemonFC; Like Microsoft Office.
20:49 DaemonFC; Which mjg59_'s friend still praises even though Microsoft got rid of him.
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20:54 DaemonFC; I'm still glad that I could help the effort to reverse engineer MP3 and undermine FhG's attempts to sell software encoders. It became obvious that people were going to use it and the least we could do was make the best of the format to sabotage FhG's revenue on the encoder side. If nobody developed Free alternatives that anyone wanted to use it would have given FhG many millions in additional revenue and the pirates would have been happy to use
20:54 DaemonFC; whatever software they could get their hands on to proliferate the format, exactly like the RAR problem.
20:54 DaemonFC; That probably would have been the Thomson encoders for extensions that never caught on, which of course had modes to create normal MP3s.
20:55 DaemonFC; We saw this happen with AAC.
20:55 DaemonFC; Not having a good Free alternative didn't lead to a complete rejection of the format. There are still people downloading Nero's abandoned proprietary encoder and making new ones with that.
20:56 DaemonFC; So I think you come down too harshly on what LibreOffice is doing with MS XML.
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; ooml
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; moox
20:56 DaemonFC; If nobody was implementing MSXML then people would still use it. They'd just resort to paying Microsoft for it, or figuring out how to crack a proprietary program that could deal with them, which Microsoft is also okay with because marketshare.
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; there is no ms xml
20:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], We should refuse to call it what they want us to, I think.
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; OOXML
20:57 DaemonFC; If you call it OOXML, it just helps their "open" propaganda work.
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; ohoh
20:57 DaemonFC; There's nothing open about it.
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; they don't call it that
20:58 schestowitz[TR]; they calll it openxml
20:58 DaemonFC; They want to muddy the waters with "language".
20:58 TR News; "I don't feel as strongly as the authors do about RSS, although I've collected my thoughts on RSS." https://matt-rickard.com/standards-protocols-platforms
20:58 TR Bot; Standards, Protocols, and Platforms
20:58 DaemonFC; Instead, we should provide a short explainer at the top and then refuse to go along with their language.
20:58 TR News; "screening could be much broader, for example it could be used to suppress political debate or to target opposition figures, journalists and human rights defenders." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/un-human-rights-commissioner-warns-against-chat-control/
20:58 TR Bot; UN Human Rights Commissioner warns against chat control Patrick Breyer
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 157.83 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.68
20:59 DaemonFC; Calling "OOXML" open is like calling rape "sex that is wanted" because the rapist wants it.
21:00 DaemonFC; From a certain angle, saying rape is wanted sex is correct, because the person committing the crime wants it. And from the same sort of angle, MS OOXML is open.
21:00 TR News; Getting several pieces of MALWARE from MICROSOFT at the same time https://geshan.com.np/blog/2022/09/npm-concurrently/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/
21:00 TR Bot; How to run multiple NPM commands simultaneously using concurrently
21:00 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights
21:01 DaemonFC; You can abuse language to mislead all you care to if you're willing to find ways to redefine things.
21:01 TR News; "With the highest level of credentials available, they then got effective root access to Slack, AWS, Google Suite, and active directory at Uber." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-09-19-a-few-thoughts-about-ubers-breach.html
21:01 TR Bot; A few thoughts about Uber's breach
21:01 TR News; "Specifically most features I care about can be provided by systemd parameters and the reproducibility by NixOS." https://blog.viraptor.info/post/why-use-docker-for-a-home-server
21:01 TR Bot; Why use docker for a homeserver?
21:02 DaemonFC; I generally try not to use any words or meanings that were not in the dictionary around 2000 or so because the English language is being corrupted for leftist wokeism and mental retardation by faux-liberal trolls like mjg59_ and children who can hardly speak in complete sentences and cannot read cursive.
21:02 TR News; "Problem solved! No data, no problems! The numbers thus go down" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/25/no-data-no-problems/
21:02 TR Bot; Blog Archive British Government Stops Properly Reporting How Many COVID-19 Patients Are Admitted to Hospital and Die (as Winter Approaches and Numbers Already Go Up)
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; 'secure' boot
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; let's digest
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; what is it?
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; what does it do?
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; what do the words mean?
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; ok
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; starting with boot
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; you power on a machine
21:03 DaemonFC; These people think that instead of teaching history they can just inflict their sex perversions on children then complain when people protest and withdraw their kids from public indoctrination centers. ("school")
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; the broad kickstarts at some embedded hardware/sofwtare level
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; the SOFTWARE is UEFI
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; on top of it there is some pile of shit
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; and you assume it does what it says on the tin
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; usually it does not
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; like ms dfoes not implement ooxml
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; nobody impelemts it
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; not even microsoft
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; security?
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; no
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; checking hashes
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; that's not secuity
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; who checks it
21:04 DaemonFC; I don't blame people for withdrawing their children from public "school". If I had children, *I* would rather try to find money to send them to Catholic school before I'd turn them loose on the ShitCongo teachers union.
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; against whose table?
21:04 schestowitz[TR]; can a cracker change that table?
21:05 schestowitz[TR]; so it's not boot
21:05 immibis_; secure boot is when the boot rom checks the next stage of boot, basically, against anything whatsoever
21:05 DaemonFC; Where they're more likely to get syphilis and drop out than anything good.
21:05 schestowitz[TR]; it's not secure
21:05 schestowitz[TR]; the whole thing is a misnomer
21:05 immibis_; DaemonFC: not everyone you dislike is a pedophile
21:05 schestowitz[TR]; FSF dubbed it restricted boot
21:05 schestowitz[TR]; that's too polite
21:05 immibis_; and take it to #techpol
21:05 DaemonFC; If you want your children to even have a chance at an education you need to withdraw them from public school and take a voucher.
21:05 immibis_; secure boot can secure you better against evil maid attacks - if you set it up yourself - but then companies realize they can make you the maid
21:06 DaemonFC; Or move to a state where you can.
21:06 DaemonFC; That's how bad it's gotten.
21:06 schestowitz[TR]; immibis_: but that is not what's happening
21:06 schestowitz[TR]; it's like saying a tank can protect you
21:06 immibis_; there's no technical difference between: the computer was at a lenovo office because it belongs to them, and you have it now because you stole it, and: the computer was at a lenovo office because they make computers, and you have it now because you bought it
21:06 schestowitz[TR]; when tanks most fire like mortars
21:06 schestowitz[TR]; *mostly
21:06 DaemonFC; <immibis_> DaemonFC: not everyone you dislike is a pedophile
21:06 schestowitz[TR]; OEMs doesn't help you control 'secure' boot
21:06 schestowitz[TR]; it's wired to be controlled remoately by Microsot
21:07 DaemonFC; Gates is advocating borderline pedophilia at public schools on NPR.
21:07 immibis_; there are a minority of devices which ship with secure boot in a blank state and you can impose your own restrictions on your hardware
21:07 DaemonFC; You can't just give it to them all at once.
21:07 schestowitz[TR]; and lenovo already takes it to the "next tage"
21:07 schestowitz[TR]; like we wanred 9 years ago
21:07 DaemonFC; Just the tip.....to start out.
21:07 DaemonFC; :P
21:07 immibis_; DaemonFC: not everyone you dislike is a pedophile
21:07 DaemonFC; Bill Gates is a pedophile and a monster.
21:07 DaemonFC; He associates with many others who are as bad or worse.
21:08 immibis_; DaemonFC: not everyone you dislike is a pedophile
21:08 DaemonFC; He built an entire criminal organization around people like this, so that he can control them with blackmail.
21:08 starstreak; immibis_, +1
21:08 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: No, it doesn't compare hashes
21:08 mjg59_; And nor can it be remotely controlled by Microsoft
21:08 immibis_; many people think DaemonFC is a pedophile because he fucks other men. That opinion is indistinguishable from DaemonFC's opinion
21:08 DaemonFC; Once that criminal organization got a lot of money, it used the money to buy people like mjg59_
21:08 schestowitz[TR]; it can
21:08 schestowitz[TR]; they updateee the tables
21:08 immibis_; it depends on the device
21:08 schestowitz[TR]; a bootkit can too
21:08 MinceR; it phones home to update itself
21:09 schestowitz[TR]; happened before
21:09 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, you go onlecturing me with sematic tricks
21:09 mjg59_; The firmware cannot update its own revocation list
21:09 MinceR; to find out what keys were revoked by the unelected guardians of the PC OS market
21:09 immibis_; the simplest form of secure boot is that you can set configuration fuses to hard-code a bootloader hash, which the boot ROM then checks
21:09 mjg59_; You can apply updates or ask your OS to apply updates
21:09 MinceR; no problem, just accidentally boot Backdoors or systemd once on it
21:09 DaemonFC; Now he won't criticize rapists, stranglers, pedos, and people who batter immigrants if they're Microsoft-affiliated. mjg59_ won't. If he changes his opinion on that, I'd respect him a lot more.
21:09 MinceR; and it will lock anything out that the redmond mafia doesn't want you to run
21:09 DaemonFC; Or at least confirms that he disapproves of what's going on in there.
21:09 schestowitz[TR]; biab
21:09 MinceR; because UEFI wasn't fragile enough on its own
21:10 MinceR; it's not like it's likely to crash upon seeing certain efivars before you could even enter setup... oh wait, yes it is
21:10 TR News; "Since CentOS has effectively imploded, we are going to need to replace that machine with some other distribution before the middle of 2024, and the default choice is Ubuntu." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SELinuxNeedsDistroBuyin
21:10 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SELinuxNeedsDistroBuyin
21:10 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Why won't you criticize, publicly, rapists, stranglers, pedos, and people who batter immigrants who work at Microsoft and their fully owned subsidiaries such as Bethesda and GitHub? On the record. Can you do that?
21:11 TR News; "Unfortunately, it still stinks, and the problem is its "enterprise" culture." https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/19/java-cultural-problem/
21:11 TR Bot; Java's Cultural Problem - Alexandru Nedelcu
21:11 DaemonFC; Don't wait for the translation! I want an answer now!
21:11 DaemonFC; (Said the US ambassador to the Russian one during the Cuban Missile Crisis.)
21:12 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> The firmware cannot update its own revocation list
21:12 DaemonFC; So you do plug a backdoor by disabling LVFS? Thanks for admitting that.
21:12 DaemonFC; Microsoft can't blacklist your GRUB and fuck up your computer remotely without LVFS enabled.
21:13 TR News; The Feeling of Fast | LINUX Unplugged 477 "We finally give Brent his new laptop and get his reaction. Plus our best pick for replacing stock Android with something private." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8855
21:14 MinceR; what's LVFS?
21:15 DaemonFC; Linux Vendor Firmware Service
21:15 DaemonFC; It's how Microsoft reaches in and blacklists versions of GRUB they don't want you to use.
21:15 DaemonFC; It's supposed to happen without you knowing it.
21:15 DaemonFC; mjg59_ obviously knows that.
21:16 DaemonFC; The firmware updates from your OEM contain the latest one as of that firmware release, but Microsoft can reach in and flash over that part of the UEFI firmware through LVFS.
21:16 DaemonFC; Using GNOME Software.
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; now he thinks of how to bash you
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; using some non-tech angle
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; figosdev says he tries to understand us
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; that's correct
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; he wants to find some edge or angle to attack us
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; brb
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; posting daily links
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; will record 5 videos tonight
21:18 schestowitz[TR]; if plan pursued fully
21:19 TR News; Information Commissioner cuffed for withholding information - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/information-commissioner-cuffed-for-withholding-information/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/information-commissioner-cuffed-for-withholding-information/
21:19 TR Bot; Information Commissioner cuffed for withholding information - Michael West
21:19 mjg59_; "Can reach in"
21:19 mjg59_; This is literally untrue
21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:20 TR News; Qantas board gets priorities straight - its own pay - as Alan Joyce edges towards $8.7m package <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="Michael West Media" href="https://michaelwest.com.au/qantas-alan-joyce-edges-towards-8-7m-package/">Read on</a>
21:20 TR Bot; Qantas board gets priorities straight - its own pay - as Alan Joyce edges towards $8.7m package
21:21 DaemonFC; What else would you call reaching into the firmware using a backdoor planted into systemd? (I believe LVFS tied into systemd.)
21:21 TR News; "Durden is a program that identifies, counts and, optionally, marks and/or cuts out and saves unique tiles in a given image file." https://www.datagubbe.se/durden/
21:21 TR Bot; datagubbe.se
21:21 mjg59_; No, LVFS is unrelated to systemd
21:21 MinceR; clever name
21:21 DaemonFC; If you have a better way of describing binary implants in your UEFI from Microsoft using a backdoor then I'd looooooove to hear it.
21:22 mjg59_; What "backdoor"
21:22 TR News; "So-called electricity markets were created to help private capital, not people. It is time we wound up these bogus markets and returned public services to people, to run cooperatively for their benefit." https://www.newsclick.in/when-market-fundamentalism-overcomes-common-sense-myth-electricity-markets
21:22 DaemonFC; Or why anyone would want to lose the ability to run "exploits" in case they ever need to jailbreak their own computer to gain control over it from Microsoft.
21:22 TR Bot; When Market Fundamentalism Overcomes Common Sense: Myth of Electricity Markets | NewsClick
21:22 TR News; Having a monarchy next door is a little like having a neighbour whos really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories, Patrick Freyne wrote https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/chris-hedges-monarchs-belong-in-the-dustbin-of-history/
21:22 TR Bot; Hedges: Monarchs Belong in the Dustbin of History scheerpost.com
21:23 DaemonFC; That is what will be necessary someday when "Secure Boot Off" is disabled and you can't change that. All you're left with is looking for exploits.
21:23 DaemonFC; Like the Surface RT.
21:23 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: lcfs and systemd are controlled by microsaoft and icbm
21:23 schestowitz[TR]; but they are not mutually related other than thattttt
21:23 schestowitz[TR]; (barrier restarting...)
21:23 DaemonFC; The Surface RT never got important, so other than an exploit being found to jailbreak it, nobody ever did port GNU/Linux to it.
21:24 DaemonFC; Because Microsoft gave up and left its customers who bought into the platform to rot.
21:24 schestowitz[TR]; long tradition
21:24 DaemonFC; They lost their entire "investment" if they bought Surface RT based on blogspam from people like Chris eye exam chart on ZDNet and Paul Thurrott.
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; they also burn people
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; they use and discard them
21:25 DaemonFC; "Chris egbrggruwruhghueghuhzynski" or whatever that really random cat on keyboard polack name is.
21:25 DaemonFC; What an idiot.
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; btw, gnu is 39 in 26 hours
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; lasting that long in SOFTWARE is rare
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; zdnet will die in a year or a few
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; its' already on its last foot
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; few writers left
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; 'skeleton crew'
21:26 DaemonFC; I'm starting to honestly believe you could use Polack surnames instead of /dev/random for cryptographically secure seed values. (j/k)
21:27 TR News; Difficult times for people's mental state https://rubenerd.com/sitting-outside-with-a-coffee/
21:27 TR Bot; Sitting outside with a coffee
21:27 DaemonFC; ZDNet Blogspam: Hi, I'm Chris dghougwhuoghguwuhhugeuhzynski here to talk about McDonalds using IBM AI with Microsoft Teams.
21:28 TR News; "What's the best alternative for performance-critical software? A few options: Zig, Rust, Carbon, or C++." https://matt-rickard.com/rust-vs-c
21:28 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://matt-rickard.com/rust-vs-c )
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; HEY HI, chris!
21:28 AdmFubar; you can use names of new medicines for seed values :P most of them are starting to look like randomly generated passwords
21:28 DaemonFC; Did you know that you could pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Ronald McDonald and to the Big Mac for which he stands if you put an RFID sticker on your windshield to enable IBM AI, mjg59_?
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; chris: o u!!
21:28 DaemonFC; It's true!
21:29 mjg59_; Oh cool a new and exciting racial slur
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; racial?
21:30 mjg59_; 21:25 < DaemonFC> "Chris egbrggruwruhghueghuhzynski" or whatever that really random cat on keyboard polack name is.
21:30 TR News; Self-legitimising elaborate scam https://blog.dshr.org/2022/09/white-house-statement-on-cryptcurrency.html
21:31 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: White House Statement On Cryptocurrency Regulation
21:31 DaemonFC; I also make fun of Irish people to about the same extent and a significant number of my ancestors came from there.
21:31 DaemonFC; What's your point?
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; making fun of names
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; thick-skinned people make fun of their own names
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; like I habitually do
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; we need an adult society
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; not softies
21:31 mjg59_; My point is that "Polack" is a racial slur
21:32 starstreak; mjg59_, nobody has any problems with DaemonFC's racism and transphobia
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; it is a common surname
21:32 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: He's not using it in the context of it being a surname
21:33 mjg59_; He's using it in the manner it's most commonly used, as a derogatory reference to people of Polish descent
21:34 DaemonFC; Chris EGegwgwgihguwghghwuguhwicz's articles on ZDNet suck.
21:34 DaemonFC; If mjg59_ wants bad journalism, he should go there.
21:35 TR News; New clothing for an old scam https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2022/9/263803-these-are-not-the-apes-you-are-looking-for/fulltext
21:35 TR Bot; These Are Not the Apes You Are Looking For | September 2022 | Communications of the ACM
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; zdnet advertised fake security
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; still does
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; and the person there who criticised usi 'secure' boot?
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; GOT THE BOOT
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; jamie
21:37 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Defender of Polacks everywhere, including their Ward in Chicago which is the only bastion of Trumpism in the whole damned city.
21:37 DaemonFC; How awesome is mjg59_? Right? This guy!
21:37 TR News; HEY HI https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/h_600,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd02df17-39cf-488a-8c93-773777fc50f0_513x679.jpeg
21:38 TR News; Why Javascript is Retarded: Part 1 https://lunduke.substack.com/p/why-javascript-is-retarded-part-1
21:38 TR Bot; Why Javascript is Retarded: Part 1 - by Bryan Lunduke
21:39 DaemonFC; Trans: I just don't understand. Polacks: I really wish I didn't. They act in Chicago the exact same way they act in their own godforsaken Nazi country.
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; today rianne opned firefgox
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; instead of librewold
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; firefox started spamming more and more
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; it's turning firefox users into social media
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; after hiring managers from facebook
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; each open tab is a sea of "recommended" (spammed) articles
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; they run ads and promotions
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; for fees
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; and put a social media in the tab
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; it's gross
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; I might delete firefox compltely soon
21:40 TR News; Telling us what we want to hear - Big Techs privacy lies https://michaelwest.com.au/big-tech-privacy-lies/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/big-tech-privacy-lies/
21:40 TR Bot; Telling us what we want to hear - Big Tech's privacy lies
21:41 schestowitz[TR]; firefox became dumpster FIREfox
21:41 schestowitz[TR]; same brand
21:41 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: I mean you can see that he's not using it as a surname, right?
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; different product
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; you want me to make you irckkkop
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; so you can play police?
21:42 DaemonFC; Nazis literally took over the Polish government and then passed a law making it illegal to deny that any Polack ever helped the Nazis commit the Holocaust. Which, some did do.
21:43 TR News; Usually you should do the OPPOSITE of what this guy says https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/12581.html
21:43 TR Bot; diziet | Please vote in favour of the Debian Social Contract change
21:44 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: I'm asking you whether it's acceptable to use racial slurs in this IRC channel that you run
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; go make your own network
21:44 DaemonFC; Polish people are white.
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; and get a parade os weirdos in it
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; you and 2 people at most
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; and then you will find a reason to ban them, too
21:45 mjg59_; If I say "Roy Schestowitz accepts the use of racial slurs in the IRC channel he controls", would I be lying?
21:45 DaemonFC; You're literally attacking me for making it known I don't like a country governed by a Nazi Party that comes here and votes for Donald Trump. Thank you, mjg59_
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; you should say you stalk 4 channels in a netywork
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; 24/7
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; a network with 1.5 MB of logs per day
21:45 DaemonFC; A country full of other white people.
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; and you scan it for dirt
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; so people know you are mentally depraved
21:45 techuser; mjg59_: yes. We need free speech places. SJW hordes kill everyone.
21:46 mjg59_; techuser: Which bit is a lie?
21:46 techuser; oh, I misunderstood the question
21:46 techuser; actually, the opposite
21:46 techuser; not lying
21:46 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Defender of white Nazis.
21:46 DaemonFC; Aww snap.
21:46 DaemonFC; They need him for muscle.
21:47 DaemonFC; Things must be getting more desperate for them than I thought.
21:47 techuser; these hordes trash once-good places
21:47 TR News; Fighting Disinformation: We're Solving The Wrong Problems https://rys.io/en/161.html
21:47 TR Bot; Fighting Disinformation: We're Solving The Wrong Problems | Songs on the Security of Networks
21:47 techuser; nothing is left behind
21:47 techuser; they are monsters which look good
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC can be racist
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; i don't agree with it
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; but...
21:47 DaemonFC; Polish isn't a race.
21:48 DaemonFC; It's a nationality.
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; he writes spo-on technical things sometimes
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; also:
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; a person who works for IBM
21:48 techuser; will this place be trashed by SJWs too?
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; is doing far more harm
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; than one who says "kike"
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; or "polack"
21:48 techuser; in the near future
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; no
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; they are bored and miseerable
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; look for something to ruins
21:48 DaemonFC; I would never say "kike". That's a bridge too far, schestowitz[TR]. The Jews have been through enough.
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; *ruin
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; notice how the subejct changed
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; it was non-secure boot
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; and now mjg59_ shifted it to racist
21:49 DaemonFC; Mostly at the hands of Germans and Polacks.
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; next time he mighht change the subject to sex
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; because secure bot is... sexy
21:49 mjg59_; I think the fault there might lie with the person who started using racial slurs, not the person who pointed it out
21:49 techuser; some people need to literally shoot the SJW hordes. IIRC some people threatened to do it already during BLM protests.
21:49 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> I think the fault there might lie with the person who started using racial slurs, not the person who pointed it out
21:49 techuser; it is a cancer on society
21:49 DaemonFC; Do you agree I have a legitimate grievance with the Polish community in Chicago?
21:50 DaemonFC; If not, why not?
21:50 starstreak; Fedora had a sexy UEFI logo
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; unabomber was of polish roots
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; and few can read his name
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; it's a common issue
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; their names don't "trsnslate" wel into english
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; a known problem
21:50 DaemonFC; It's not all Polish people that are bad, just the majority of them.
21:50 DaemonFC; Their voting habits lay that out.
21:50 mjg59_; There's no level of legitimate grievance that justifies the use of racial slurs
21:51 DaemonFC; Polish isn't a race.
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; cannot make irish jokes, either
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; ban comedy
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; then, ban irc
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; then, ban librewolf and brave users
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; ban www
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; promote fb instead
21:51 DaemonFC; Welp, if I can't make fun of Irish people, there go all of the drunk and disorderly jokes. Including about Gonad's family.
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; and assign confused people as moderated, with HEY HI
21:52 DaemonFC; Most of the meth lab ones too.
21:52 DaemonFC; What the hell can I make jokes about?
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; mr. "fartfartfartfart" is lecturing us on matters
21:52 *schestowitz[TR] goes back to more important tasks
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; *manners
21:53 DaemonFC; I wonder if mjg59_ has ever been in trouble with the police and whether they were niggardly with the paddywagon.
21:53 TR News; DjangoCon US 2022 https://www.paulox.net/2022/10/19/djangocon-us-2022/
21:53 TR Bot; pauloxnet - DjangoCon US2022
21:53 DaemonFC; He probably doesn't resort to any actual civil disobedience. He's a pushover for the 1% to play with.
21:54 MinceR; mjg59_: and what isn't justified should be banned, right?
21:54 TR News; Java 19 https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/21/java-19/ "I havent been as excited about a Java release in a long time."
21:54 TR Bot; Java 19 - Alexandru Nedelcu
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: better not feed him
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; it's a technial channel
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; he is trying to change the subject]
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; h
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; he was losing the argument again
21:55 MinceR; i'm just curious about his values
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; oin secure boot
21:55 DaemonFC; mjg59_, is almost like what Richard Stallman was talking about. When that Indian man who was interviewing him said Congress were billionaires, and RMS corrected him and said Congress was millionaires, most of them. The billionaires used them and they got rich, but it was millions, not billions. mjg59_ is like Congress.
21:55 MinceR; because this seems to be a pretty extreme position
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; his values are fart fart fart fart sexual fetish
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; ie.. lots of hot air
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; or warm air
21:56 psydruid; why does *he* always try to steer the conversation away from technical matters?
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; this is why he was muted last year
21:57 DaemonFC; mjg59_, "I create Free Software....." Also mjg59_, "But you can't actually make derivative works and run it because of what it actually is and does.". It's meant to take your computer away and hand control of it over to criminals and mobsters.
21:57 psydruid; I would mute him forever
21:57 DaemonFC; I need civics lessons from HIM on the day that Satan ice skates to work.
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: yes, contradiction
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; big fat contradictiopn
21:57 mjg59_; MinceR: I think a community that tolerates racists is one that excludes many other potential contributors
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, let me rephrase that
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; I've just insulted "not thin" peopole
21:58 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> MinceR: I think a community that tolerates racists is one that excludes many other potential contributors
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: so stop being racist
21:58 DaemonFC; Then why does every project infested with a CoC and SJWs wither away and die?
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; also, stop defaming high-profile people to get attention
21:59 DaemonFC; There's never been this much interest in non-Firefox browsers, Firefox forks, non-Linux "unix" systems, etc.
21:59 DaemonFC; This is all thanks to the fact that people like you have infested all of those things and they're dying now.
21:59 frog; mjg59_: GNU is in big trouble, quality issues
21:59 frog; discuss.
21:59 MinceR; mjg59_: is banning people for unjustified language the only way to not tolerate racists, then?
21:59 DaemonFC; At this rate, Mozilla will have less than 1% of all Web users in about 2.5 years.
22:00 DaemonFC; They went from controlling nearly half the Web market share to less than 3% currently.
22:00 mjg59_; MinceR: No, asking them to stop being racist is a perfectly good starting point
22:00 DaemonFC; That's down from over 4.5% last year.
22:00 MinceR; mjg59_: who can ask people to stop being racist?
22:00 TR News; Breyer on Europol lawsuit: Courts must protect us where politics is hostile to fundamental rights https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/breyer-on-europol-lawsuit-courts-must-protect-us-where-politics-is-hostile-to-fundamental-rights/
22:00 TR Bot; Breyer on Europol lawsuit: Courts must protect us where politics is hostile to fundamental rights Patrick Breyer
22:01 psydruid; stop being racist against bullies!
22:01 TR News; Will sparkfun start sucking up to criminals (Micreosoft) for fun? https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5457
22:01 DaemonFC; Mozilla is dying and it's because of all of the spam and malware and pictures of "Strong Woman Welds Some Shit" flying open into your face.
22:01 TR Bot; and Thing Plus - News - SparkFun Electronics
22:01 frog; https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/systemd-support-is-now-available-in-wsl/
22:01 TR Bot; Systemd support is now available in WSL! - Windows Command Line
22:01 DaemonFC; We know women work in factories. I worked with plenty of women in factories. Thanks to the left, it's amazing there are any factories left in America these days.
22:01 MinceR; long awaited
22:02 DaemonFC; They've given our entire country over to the red Chinese.
22:02 MinceR; i herd you liek malware, so we put systemd in your windows so you can run malware while you run malware.
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; WSL is more secure
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; it boots into windows
22:02 MinceR; lol
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; with 'secure' boot
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; and NSA has back door access
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; to check you are safe :-)
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; and not a pedo
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; like the founder of...
22:03 DaemonFC; Then told the displaced workers to sign up for welfare while we experience hyperinflation and $4 trillion budget deficits.
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; never mind
22:03 MinceR; you can be "secure" knowing that you definitely have MICROS~1's secholes and backdoors on your system
22:03 DaemonFC; The fucking left has never done a goddamned thing for this country.
22:03 MinceR; UEFI protects you against working around those.
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; to mjg59_ , BACK DOORS are "SECURITY"
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; he defines it like National SECURITY agency does
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; and he defected
22:03 MinceR; neither has the fucking right
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; he got naturalised as USian
22:03 DaemonFC; The alternative should be hard reboot back to when people had some decency and pulled their pants up and had a job to go to.
22:03 mjg59_; MinceR: Anyone with any sort of leadership in the community?
22:04 MinceR; mjg59_: what sort of community needs leadership?
22:04 DaemonFC; And didn't have to beg a government that was even more bankrupt than they are for food thanks to liberals who auctioned their jobs away to Communists.
22:04 MinceR; sounds more like a corporation than a community
22:04 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> MinceR: Anyone with any sort of leadership in the community?
22:04 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/739100912820461570
22:04 TR Bot; @sabdfl I don't think people like Bill Cosby or Jimmy Savile were leaders
22:04 schestowitz[TR]; savile was NOT a low-level worker
22:04 schestowitz[TR]; maybe you didn't watch him
22:05 schestowitz[TR]; neither did I
22:05 schestowitz[TR]; but he was VERY high profile in BBC
22:05 DaemonFC; This is Bill. Bill likes puddin'. Puddin' his dick where his dick don't belong!
22:05 schestowitz[TR]; and BBC knew what he had been doing
22:05 schestowitz[TR]; and ekept him on board
22:05 schestowitz[TR]; to fuck kids and corporses
22:05 mjg59_; MinceR: Don't people here keep talking about the need for FSF leadership?
22:05 MinceR; some people probably do
22:05 schestowitz[TR]; Cosby was the name of his show
22:05 MinceR; but the FSF is a corporation, not a community
22:05 schestowitz[TR]; he was not low level either
22:06 schestowitz[TR]; maybe mjg59_ doesn't know TV
22:06 DaemonFC; No-talent Assclown Bill Cosby got rich off a show that wasn't funny, whose best achievement was spawning Married With Children to make a mockery out of the Cosby Show, while Cosby was drugging and raping women and then used the money from the show that wasn't any good to hire lawyers to get him out of prison.
22:06 schestowitz[TR]; or showbiz
22:06 schestowitz[TR]; Cosby's net worth was what?
22:06 DaemonFC; This is America folks!
22:06 MinceR; we'd be in even deeper shit if the FSF was the community
22:07 *psydruid doesn't have any need for the FSF and its leadership
22:07 *MinceR doesn't have any need to be led
22:07 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Cosby's crowning achievement was inspiring a parody portraying a poor White family in Chicago that was dysfunctional as all Hell but got along because, although it was unspoken, Al was a Real Man, a good man, who loved his wife, even though she wasn't good to him.
22:07 DaemonFC; A situation a lot of men get into.
22:07 DaemonFC; The Bundys were a better look at the typical family than the Cosbys.
22:07 schestowitz[TR]; Peg was OK to Al
22:07 schestowitz[TR]; Al was bad to her
22:08 schestowitz[TR]; and was a terrible dad, too
22:08 schestowitz[TR]; like homer simpson
22:08 DaemonFC; Peg was at least as negligent as Al was as far as the children, contributed nothing to the household, didn't work, didn't cook, and wasted all of Al's money so they couldn't pay any of their bills and Al couldn't get a car that got him to work reliably.
22:09 DaemonFC; Peg was very bad to Al and as bad as he was at raising the kids.
22:09 DaemonFC; But Al stayed with her even though he had very little to lose in a divorce proceeding.
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; she loves bonbons
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; not sure she was a huge spnder
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; that's their next-door neithebours
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; steve and marcy darcy
22:10 DaemonFC; Peg was such an asshole about spending Al's money that one of her best lines in 10 seasons was "You can wash clothes? And WEAR THEM AGAIN!? Well, you learn something new every day.".
22:11 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, then darcies had a mercedes
22:11 DaemonFC; Steve and Marcy, and then Marcy divorced Steve and got Jefferson, but Steve came back as a recurring character.
22:12 DaemonFC; One of the best episodes was Steve goes camping with Al and the kids and the bear rips his Mercedes apart and tosses him the hood ornament while he's in shock and repeating the MSRP price.
22:12 DaemonFC; I laughed so hard I about fell off the couch.
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; the mona lisa in the stolen car was also funny
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; and the car sliding off the driveway
22:12 DaemonFC; Oh, when Al's clunker got stolen and he's padding the insurance claim?
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; i must have seen every episode like 5 times
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 3+
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; for sure my most-watched one overall, by far...
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; it would not air now
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; the mental-heads would 'cancel' it
22:14 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, even back then there were legal challenges
22:14 DaemonFC; The one where Peg makes the royal guard outside Buckingham Palace smile and then pass out because of Al's shoe.
22:14 schestowitz[TR]; and they mocked thee in the show itself
22:14 schestowitz[TR]; *these
22:14 DaemonFC; Or when he sticks his feet in the Thames and thee fish all float up, dead.
22:15 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/grave-dancegif.gif ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-grave-dancegif#comic )
22:15 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
22:15 DaemonFC; A river that's so disgusting that to this day, Coca Cola advertises that they managed to make drinkable water from it.
22:15 DaemonFC; You had to understand how gross that river is for the joke to be as funny as it was.
22:16 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], A woman in Michigan complained to the FCC about them.
22:16 schestowitz[TR]; every river in a large city is filthy
22:17 schestowitz[TR]; includes litter
22:17 DaemonFC; Her reward was that Fox renewed it for three more seasons at once and then they included the joke that Al got a TV show in the show, but his show was canceled because "Some woman in Michigan complained.".
22:17 DaemonFC; They threw in a line just to razz one woman in Michigan that tried to Cancel them and failed.
22:18 DaemonFC; That was your only reward for being a complainer like mjg59_ back then. Everyone hated you and made fun of you.
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 DaemonFC; mjg59_ really wants open forums to be shut down (by ClownFlare or someone if needs be) so that people who want to escape fake social media like his Shitter account have nowhere else to go and talk.
22:20 DaemonFC; And so we need to stop handing control over things to Clownflare. They've proven they'll take your forum offline for speech that is "politically protected" but not from them.
22:21 DaemonFC; And their goal is to "host" all of the Web so they can police it for the left.
22:22 DaemonFC; The reason I mentioned the Swedish study about Trans suicides is, look, this wasn't in the United States. It was a "stable, modern, liberal democracy in Western Europe, with strong institutions".
22:22 DaemonFC; Right? And in that environment the Trans suicide rate was over 60% higher than it was for other people.
22:22 DaemonFC; And Garrett blames Kiwi Farms for some idiot setting themselves on fire when it was probably not their fault.
22:22 starstreak; i know where thats going
22:22 starstreak; time to ignore him again
22:23 DaemonFC; Yes, they're assholes, but if they had any effect on that person who set themselves on fire, it was probably minimal.
22:23 DaemonFC; And study after study shows this.
22:23 DaemonFC; There isn't any proof that Kiwi Farms "caused" a single real person to commit suicide.
22:23 DaemonFC; We know the Trans suicide rate is extremely high to begin with.
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; there isa test case in the US
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; lori something
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; a
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; a woman who 'bullied' a young girl
22:24 starstreak; when i talk about reptilians im making the channel look bad. when daemonfc spews racism and transphobia, thats free speech.
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; who later killed herself
22:24 DaemonFC; I've been harassed by Peter Staley to a larger extent than Kiwi Farms went after any Trans person.
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; and they tried to hold the adult liable
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; for driving her over the edge
22:24 DaemonFC; I just left the phone off the hook. Fuck him.
22:24 starstreak; nobody ever tells daemonfc to be 'on topic'
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; or "pouring gasoline into the fire"
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; pardon the sun
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; *pun
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; it happened in epo too
22:24 DaemonFC; He was ringing my phone and published my number on his forum for calling him a drug company marketing creep.
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; self-immolatioon
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; a man in his own apartment
22:25 DaemonFC; I was getting death threats from AIDS patients who unfortunately follow Staley, who ginned up lies about me so they would turn into an army of trolls.
22:25 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: I tell that a lot to him
22:25 schestowitz[TR]; and he is in #techpol and -social too (less the latter)
22:25 schestowitz[TR]; but this started with debate on free speech
22:25 schestowitz[TR]; after the suject was changed from secure boot
22:25 schestowitz[TR]; as usual
22:25 DaemonFC; If anything, mjg59_ is more like Peter Staley.
22:25 DaemonFC; He's the Peter Staley of Free Software.
22:26 *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)
22:26 DaemonFC; A very small person and an emotional terrorist, or he tries to be anyway.
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; if we banned everything that anyone found discomforting, we would be a dumpster fire
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; kids would not have books aboout witches and monsters
22:27 DaemonFC; Peter Staley is a Cult Leader. He's created a Cult of AIDS drugs. Like, literally. He's a drug company marketing asshole.
22:27 DaemonFC; He gets mad when you say that, so you should say it more.
22:27 starstreak; <schestowitz[TR]> DaemonFC can be racist
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; yers, he is
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; he is racist
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; then again
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; to some extent
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; all people arer racist
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; animals are too
22:28 starstreak; so thats not you giving him permission?
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; but some keep it inside
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; brits are betetr than usssians at keeping it inside
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; canadians are too
22:28 DaemonFC; I pulled up to the gas pump in the Honda this morning, and some crazy guy started walking, and I clicked the lock button and started the car up, and aborted the refueling.
22:29 starstreak; i've sued corporations for less
22:29 starstreak; lol
22:29 DaemonFC; He waved and walked back to the store. I don't know if he was going to shoot me or ask me for a dollar.
22:29 DaemonFC; I wasn't going to find out, either.
22:29 DaemonFC; Sorry, not sorry.
22:30 DaemonFC; I went back and gassed up the Honda during daylight hours.
22:30 DaemonFC; Waukegan has a gas station shooting about twice a day. :P
22:30 DaemonFC; Don't be a statistic.
22:30 starstreak; i think thats why a lot of corporations do CoCs, its protection against being sued or at the very least it can help mitigate losses
22:30 MinceR; 25 232657 < schestowitz[TR]> if we banned everything that anyone found discomforting, we would be a dumpster fire
22:30 DaemonFC; It's safer to make assumptions even if people would call you a racist.
22:30 schestowitz[TR]; the language oif accountabilty:
22:30 MinceR; or a ghost town
22:30 schestowitz[TR]; tryin to hold people respnsible for actions of others
22:30 DaemonFC; 95% of the shooters are black. Gas station shootings happen every day here.
22:30 schestowitz[TR]; also known as collective accountability
22:31 DaemonFC; A black guy is walking to my car for no apparent reason in the middle of the night at a gas station.
22:31 DaemonFC; Drive away!
22:31 DaemonFC; Fill up later.
22:31 MinceR; mjg59_ certainly wouldn't be here if we banned everyone who bothers someone
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; also see why througout history it was a bad idea(tm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_(emotion)#Collective_guilt
22:31 TR Bot; Guilt (emotion) - Wikipedia
22:32 schestowitz[TR]; "Collective guilt (or group guilt) is the unpleasant and often emotional reaction that results among a group of individuals when it is perceived that the group illegitimately harmed members of another group. It is often the result of "sharing a social identity with others whose actions represent a threat to the positivity of that identity". For an individual to experience collective guilt, he must identify himself as a part of the
22:32 schestowitz[TR]; in-group. "This produces a perceptual shift from thinking of oneself in terms of 'I' and 'me' to 'us' or 'we'."
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; you could become like singapore
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; pap
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; lky
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; where for merely "huting the feelings" of some other "group" you get arrested
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; because they have many ethnic groups there
22:34 DaemonFC; I'm familiar with the source code layout of various projects enough to see if anything interesting has landed that I might want to pull and build.
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; that leads to awful tyranny
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; and spinelesss people
22:35 DaemonFC; I know how to use git. I build software all the time. I have maintained my own fork of Linux before.
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; obediene tpeople who live in 'shoeboxes'
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; and are force to join the military
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; *forced
22:35 MinceR; "And one more group offended. Guess I'm just not a people person. Good thing I have Kevlar! Wait, do I have Kevlar?"
22:35 DaemonFC; "Add faster CRC routine. The speed improvement is very small for typical use cases, but may be valuable if a lot of independent encodes are running and/or for a very long time. Patch by Robert Kausch of the fre:ac project."
22:35 DaemonFC; That still hasn't landed upstream in LAME?
22:36 DaemonFC; Fedora included this patch in its own patch series a long time ago.
22:36 DaemonFC; Ugh, it's taking a long time for releases of old codecs now.
22:36 DaemonFC; Like Vorbis, I guess. Distributors are just supposed to patch CVEs from 2019 on their own while they're in someone's git tree.
22:37 DaemonFC; "Disable Takehiros IEEE753 hack by default. On modern CPUs (anything more recent from AMD than hammer/k8; Intel: Core2, i3/5/7/9 and similar -- no idea about recent Atom/Pentium) it is a speed pessimization. Add a configure option for it so that it can be enabled on old CPUs."
22:37 DaemonFC; Well, to be fair this is a patch from 1998, iirc.
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22:38 DaemonFC; It works around a problem in ancient CPUs (pre-2006 or so).
22:38 DaemonFC; No idea what the m68k or PPC builds do when you enable it.
22:39 DaemonFC; Or ARM. I suppose someone should test it if they have access to such a system.
22:40 DaemonFC; "Use external libmpg123 instead of internal mpglib for mpeg decoding (unix-like systems which use the autotools ("configure; make; make install") build system). There are years of improvements in libmpg123 which we do not have in mpglib. Patch by Thomas Orgis of the mpg123 project. "
22:40 DaemonFC; They should really just drop mpglib and the IEEE753 hack altogether.
22:41 DaemonFC; I've thought about cloning LAME and getting rid of all the "10,000 year old dead plants". Possibly cleaning up the build system a bit.
22:41 DaemonFC; The issue is that they don't make much difference to the compiled binaries except maybe size.
22:41 DaemonFC; Having a lot of switches and obsolete codepaths is ridiculous though.
22:42 DaemonFC; "Update the Visual Studio project files to Visual Studio 2019. Patch by Michel Fink."
22:42 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
22:42 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
22:43 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi
22:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
22:43 DaemonFC; Pointless. The only thing Visual Studio 2019 adds is Microsoft spyware hooks, binary output bloat, and removes compatibility with Windows 98, XP, and Vista....Which are dead, dead, dead, but people still use them and there's no reason to yank it when cross compiling for Windows using MinGW works and produces better binary code.
22:43 psydruid; Why should they have Visual Studio project files in the first place?
22:43 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.2.gmi
22:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
22:43 DaemonFC; They shouldn't!
22:43 DaemonFC; They should drop MSVS and cross-compile using GCC.
22:43 TR News; (NEW): Linux 6.0-rc7 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Linux_6_0_rc7.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Linux_6_0_rc7.gmi
22:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc7
22:44 psydruid; Those should only be created on the local system and never be in a git repository
22:44 DaemonFC; I never compile LAME with Microsoft Visual Studio even when I want Windows binaries from it. In my testing, the binaries from MSVS 2019 are 3 times bigger, slower at encoding, and needlessly remove support from old Windows systems that it should still run on in case someone should find that useful.
22:46 DaemonFC; And since we haven't heard anything lately from OS/2 people, I don't even KNOW that the OS/2 port still works. But if you produce a version that works even on Windows 98, chances are someone using eComStation (OS/2) could run modern LAME via the Windows version in Odin.
22:47 DaemonFC; So you're cutting off a lot of people in the world if you consider that there's.....a lot of people in the world and compiling with MSVS 2019 removes support for operating systems that, collectively 2-3% of all desktop users still have.
22:47 DaemonFC; So there's no reason to support Visual Studio at all, and definitely not 2019.
22:48 TR News; Links 25/09/2022: Linux 6.0 RC7 and PostgreSQL-Related Releases | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/linux-6-0-rc7/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/linux-6-0-rc7/
22:48 TR Bot; Links 25/09/2022: Linux 6.0 RC7 and PostgreSQL-Related Releases | Techrights
22:49 DaemonFC; mjg59_ just doesn't want to understand me.
22:49 DaemonFC; It's more of an offbeat sense of humor than anything.
22:49 DaemonFC; Mandy thinks I'm hilarious when I speak some (knowingly bogus) Tagalog.
22:49 DaemonFC; I'm not making fun of him, or Tagalog speakers. I'm making fun of myself by badly imitating their language.
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22:53 TR News; GNU is Not UNIX: GNU Project Turns 39 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/sept-27-gnu-at-39/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/sept-27-gnu-at-39/
22:53 TR Bot; GNU is Not UNIX: GNU Project Turns 39 | Techrights
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22:54 TR News; "Facebook users claim to hate the service, but they keep using it, leading many to describe Facebook as "addictive." But there's a simpler explanation: people keep using Facebook though they hate it because they don't want to lose their connections to the people they love." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/19/interoperable-facebook/#federated
22:54 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 19 Sep 2022 How to ditch Facebook without ditching your friends Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
22:55 TR News; "I have argued that the more "arduous but effective analysis" results in "tracking, monitoring, and shutting down" cybercriminals, the more they will use techniques such as privacy coins (Monero, Zcash) and mixers (Tornado Cash)." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/09/cryptocurrency-enabled-crime.html
22:55 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Cryptocurrency-enabled Crime
22:55 starstreak; https://i.imgur.com/Q3glWEU.png
22:56 psydruid; I've got a .gitignore with ".idea cmake-* .vs out debug.log *.kdev4 build" to keep all of this crap out of the source tree
22:56 psydruid; Visual Studio is so slow that it's barely usable
22:56 starstreak; VS Code is pretty fast though
22:56 psydruid; Not to mention buggy and spewing out spurious errors
22:57 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> https://i.imgur.com/Q3glWEU.png <- true story
22:57 psydruid; VS Code is a true next generation code editor
22:58 starstreak; VS Code is my guilty pleasure :(
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22:58 starstreak; i love it but its microsoft so im conflicted
22:58 psydruid; I hope it works well with Rust and C#
22:58 starstreak; it works really well with Golang
22:59 schestowitz[TR]; i told my sister some hours ago it's proprioetary
22:59 starstreak; what i thought was really cool is that it runs go fmt when you save
22:59 schestowitz[TR]; she is not using it
22:59 schestowitz[TR]; but thought aboout it
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; <psydruid> VS Code is a true next generation code editor <- firengi or klingon?
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 118.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.55
22:59 DaemonFC; "Remove the macosx XCode project files, nobody stepped up to update them for the libmpg123 changes."
22:59 DaemonFC; It's a Mac. Probably nobody knows how.
23:00 starstreak; VS Code also does linting and auto code completion
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: starship enterprise run secure boot
23:00 *psydruid doesn't know how to answer that question as he used VS Code for all of 5 minutes a few years ago
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; and they got stiuuck in space
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; a
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; a hostile boat installed a patch
23:00 psydruid; but it was quite a discovery
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; and the engine room would not start
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; for their own security
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and they got stiuuck in space <- always wondered how janeway got out there, and why she needed the borg to get back
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; now it makes sense
23:01 schestowitz[TR]; they needed to returnthe ship to the store
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; and get a new starship enterprise delivered
23:02 highest_cubist_thrills; i hope they got a windows refund
23:02 starstreak; i got a windows refund
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; and then recover the encryption key from microsoft
23:02 highest_cubist_thrills; and get a new starship enterprise delivered <- that sounds more like apple
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; to get their (mr.) data back
23:02 psydruid; however if I was really using it that would be akin to deep ****** nice
23:03 DaemonFC; https://sourceforge.net/p/lame/bugs/501/?limit=25
23:03 TR Bot; LAME (Lame Aint an MP3 Encoder) / Bugs / #501 Encoder: Assertion `eov->bitrate_index <= cfg->vbr_max_bitrate_index' failed
23:03 DaemonFC; "I think we are now talking about frame 8, granule 0 and channel 1? It has the special case, that there is analog silence detected. The bug seems to be, that in this case, the amount of bits for analog silence is larger than the original target."
23:04 DaemonFC; Strictly speaking the lowest size frame in LAME is 32 kbps, but that's not technically the lowest you can go for analog silence in all cases.
23:04 DaemonFC; If there's some audio in a nearby frame, you can allocate most of the 32 kbps frames for analog silence as available to the byte reservoir.
23:05 DaemonFC; The problem you run into in MP3 is those REALLY long tracks with a hidden song at the end, which from the CD ends up in a single file after like 9 minutes of analog silence or something
23:05 DaemonFC; :)
23:05 DaemonFC; There's no use for most of these frames and so they all get padded out and you end up with a 60 MB MP3.
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23:08 DaemonFC; It's completely stupid and can't happen in Opus.
23:09 DaemonFC; The reason 501 was flagged as potentially affecting quality is that if a frame of digital silence is parked close enough to something that needs more bits, taking too many bits to encode digital silence could mean fewer bits for something else.
23:09 DaemonFC; But this is a negligible improvement to quality. It's more likely that the encoder would crash out and produce a corrupted file.
23:10 DaemonFC; Because there could be compiler out there that takes a very unfortunate view of this code in the optimizer stage and produces something that doesn't even work.
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23:10 TR News; Brodie Robertson increasingly sounds like a corporate ad, brainwashed through Conde Nast (Reddit), commandeered by GIAFAM/Pentagon/Wall Street https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qpozi_gqQvk
23:10 TR Bot; Flatpak Is Going To Take Over The Linux Desktop - Invidious
23:10 DaemonFC; (If there is, it would probably be LLVM.)
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23:10 DaemonFC; I don't use Clang/LLVM if I can possibly avoid it.
23:10 DaemonFC; The optimizer takes too many liberties when it encounters undefined behavior.
23:11 DaemonFC; Then what you end up with is an unstable program.
23:11 TR News; Microsoft Windows is so defunct that even copy-paste stop working. How will "drpizza" work? https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-copy-and-paste-not-working-windows/
23:11 TR Bot; How to Fix Copy and Paste Not Working in Windows 10 - Make Tech Easier
23:11 DaemonFC; When Fedora releng was considering building Firefox with Clang, I threatened to set up a repo to continue building it with GCC and mark it as replacing Fedora's Firefox package via obsoletes.
23:12 DaemonFC; Eventually, the proposal was voted down (barely) and GCC builds went on which...
23:12 *DaemonFC goes to check
23:12 DaemonFC; GCC 12.2.1 as of now.
23:12 DaemonFC; Good.
23:13 frog; try to maintain any distro _without_ GCC or LLVM ... god luck
23:13 DaemonFC; Clang/LLVM is a pretty serious step down in quality from GCC.
23:13 DaemonFC; mjg59_ hated that.
23:13 frog; and here is the reason why i consider GNU-buildsystem wrecked too: Perl
23:13 frog; i had to roll-back to perl-5.8 to pass with tcc
23:13 DaemonFC; The LLVM part is quite usable in some contexts like generating on-the-fly intermediate representations where you need it like this.
23:14 TR News; 10 GNU/Linux Command-Line Operators and What They Do https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-command-line-chaining-operators/ Source: Make Use Of | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.makeuseof.com/linux-command-line-chaining-operators/
23:14 MinceR; "my web browser pretending to be an IDE is so fast"
23:14 TR Bot; 10 Linux Command-Line Operators and What They Do
23:14 frog; maybe, this can be repaird... however, there is that many other problems with GNU-toolchain and buildsystem... i quit
23:14 frog; and LLVM isn't the alternative
23:14 DaemonFC; But that's mostly interesting when you're using it in a JavaScript engine or for shaders in Vulkan or OpenGL.
23:14 DaemonFC; In that case, LLVM is cool. B-)
23:14 DaemonFC; But Clang is a rather unfortunate thing.
23:14 DaemonFC; The only reason why you'd use it is if you're a GPL hater.
23:14 frog; that's why, i celebrate every day, i tiny little more of GNU can be detangled
23:14 starstreak; MinceR, lol
23:15 frog; i don't object to GPL, in fact i consider it's copyleft too weak
23:15 frog; it is, technical reasons only, to avoid most of what GNU stamped GPL onto
23:15 DaemonFC; Clang should only be one of two things.
23:15 DaemonFC; A secondary compiler you use for build verifications and debugging -or- in the trash where it belongs.
23:15 frog; strangely, heading out of GNU, often results in MIT licensed stuff
23:16 DaemonFC; Sometimes it unearths interestingly buggy code that GCC would probably never make a functional problem out of.
23:16 DaemonFC; And that's why Clang is interesting sometimes.
23:17 frog; llvm is a huge c++ monstrosity, not interested
23:17 TR News; Linux Weekly Roundup #201 https://www.linuxmadesimple.info/2022/09/linux-weekly-roundup-201.html Source: Linux Made Simple | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxmadesimple.info/2022/09/linux-weekly-roundup-201.html
23:17 TR Bot; Linux Weekly Roundup #201
23:17 frog; and such types of compilers, modern GCC and LLVM, and the _entire_ "free software" system relying on it, this scares me to death
23:19 TR News; "I do not miss being on Twitter the platform where our friendships developed but I am presently quite cognisant of the practical purposes it serves." gemini://xiu.smol.pub/1664118150
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:20 frog; it was just a tiny little piece, a sudo/doas replacement, because toybox hasn't got any, and the suckless.org one was incomplete
23:20 MinceR; yeah, i don't know why anyone maintaining such a large project would want to rely on features such as namespaces, classes or STL :>
23:20 TR News; C.S. Lewis on Anarchy gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/lewis.gmi
23:20 frog; and doas, ships with configure.ac -> away with it
23:21 frog; you know, what a bliss this is, if a POSIX makefile suffices, and a piece of software easily cross/compiles including tcc-toolchain, static linking, all passed
23:21 frog; without problem
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR Lewis
23:21 frog; and the runtime/buildtime dependency graph is minimal
23:21 MinceR; pretty sure i'm not religious
23:22 TR News; "The above is modified from the first paragraph of C.S. Lewis's article called "Equality". In the original, C.S. Lewis argues that he believes democracy is preferable to hierarchical arrangements of society because humans are inherently evil." gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/lewis.gmi
23:22 frog; in the next days, i'll re-fine the Paradise Linux package set, blacklisting autoconf/automake/perl/...
23:23 frog; and see to, all necessary development tooling is available... which it will be
23:23 frog; already got a neat editor, which is vis, and lua scripting... this won't cause any trouble
23:23 frog; again, not GPL, MIT or ISC
23:24 MinceR; modules would also be great, but i'm not sure if they're specified or implemented yet
23:24 frog; of cause, the license banner doesn't reveal what quality to expect
23:24 MinceR; not having macros leak from function/class definitions into every compilation unit that uses them is pretty nice
23:24 MinceR; also not having using namespace std; leak :>
23:24 frog; however, when i see GPL/GNU/FSF, i fear for the worst
23:26 frog; and most BSD compromised too much, with the quality deficiencies, wouldn't want to sync against their ports/pkgsrc trees
23:26 frog; same with gentoo, i'll not sync against their portrage tree anymore, that's the plan
23:28 frog; i got an overview already, over what will remain; not sure, if at least some mp3 software or mplayer can be salvaged, probably not, most of it
23:28 TR News; iTWire - US senators seek review of Chinese chip firm after Apple hints at use https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/government-tech-policy/us-senators-seek-review-of-chinese-chip-firm-after-apple-hints-at-use.html Source: IT Wire
23:28 TR Bot; - US senators seek review of Chinese chip firm after Apple hints at use
23:28 frog; because, i won't accept any GNU-buildsystem anymore; wherever this attached, away with it
23:28 TR News; (NEW): LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (38/2022): GNOME 43, Waydroid progress on PinePhone Pro and tow-boot updates via fwupd http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/LINMOB_net_Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_38_2022_GNOME_43.shtml |
23:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (38/2022): GNOME 43, Waydroid progress on PinePhone Pro and tow-boot updates via fwupd
23:29 frog; not because of GPL
23:30 frog; and this is something, some among FSF and mjg59_ seem they don't understand
23:30 frog; besides licensing, there is quality issues, with GNU
23:32 MinceR; they don't seem to want quality
23:33 frog; i recommend this approach: no-c++ anywhere and see what remains, with "free software"
23:33 psydruid; or when they have something resembling it they go to destroy it
23:33 MinceR; "no-c++" won't help
23:33 psydruid; go on to*
23:33 frog; that's one step, of cause, at any later time, bootstrapping a c++ compilere, that's fine, the problem is, the basis below
23:34 frog; another step, full removal of GNU-buildsystem, see what remains...
23:34 MinceR; it doesn't exclude rust, or java, or MICROS~1 visual java, or basic
23:34 frog; same with this, of cause, i do NOT intend to block GNU-buildsystem, it can easily be added, problem is during early bootstrapping/system-integration steps
23:34 frog; the dependency graph, as soon as any GNU, attaches, is beyond good and evil
23:36 frog; it is, only a coincidence, then most software is MIT or ISC, not GPL
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23:40 frog; MinceR: no-c++ excludes all of this, java, rust, etc...; all this is implemented in c++
23:40 frog; the next revelation will be GNU-buildsystem removal
23:41 frog; the line was crossed, when i had to roll-back to perl-5.8 (year 2003), and than some hackjobs into automake/autoconf for this
23:42 frog; because, GNU can nuke the perl-5.8 compatibility any time, and i am not willing to dig deep into GNU shit with every autoconf/automake update
23:42 frog; another reason, to remove autoconf/automake... i stumbled upon extremely weird side effects when calling autoreconf -if on older GNU software packages
23:43 frog; autoconf/automake are not backwards compatible, and instead of installing one version of this wreckage, it is several versions required then
23:43 frog; i recall someone, called it cancer
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23:50 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252Flive%252F2022%252F09%252F25%252Fworld%252Fitaly-elections
23:50 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
23:50 DaemonFC; "This month, a hard-right group founded by neo-Nazis and skinheads became the largest party in Swedens likely governing coalition. In France this year, the far-right leader Marine Le Pen for a second consecutive time reached the final round of presidential elections. In Spain, the hard-right Vox, a party closely aligned with Ms. Meloni, is surging."
23:50 DaemonFC; An in the UK, Liz Trump.
23:50 DaemonFC; Very Stable Western Democracies.
23:50 DaemonFC; RMS frequently heaps praise on Western Europe, which is being taken over by "Nazis and skinheads", apparently.
23:52 DaemonFC; This is what happens when leftists push everyone's wellbeing to the edge.
23:52 DaemonFC; In the name of controlling the weather or some such nonsense.
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23:53 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Has it ever occurred to you that the reason this is playing out is because nobody wants anti-white racism shoved in their face all day and they certainly don't want $700 gas bills in the winter.
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23:57 frog; one of the most interesting builds will be: dev-vcs/git; if it is possible to pull that one into, without any component depending on GNU-buildsystem involved
23:57 frog; tracking build-time dependencies will become more difficult, because the build-host still is gentoo/gnu-capable
23:58 frog; and to roll-over onto the system without GNU-buildsystem is alot of work
23:59 frog; however, if the tree is fully sanitized, there won't be that many packages remaining, to verify against, for example, against what Oasis Linux got
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