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00:00 TR News; Microsoft-Funded Analysts: Microsoft is Popular, Based on Microsoft Data (Projects That Choose Microsofts Proprietary Hosting) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/20/github-propaganda/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/20/github-propaganda/
00:00 TR Bot; Microsoft-Funded Analysts: Microsoft is Popular, Based on Microsoft Data (Projects That Choose Microsofts Proprietary Hosting) | Techrights
00:02 TR News; Opperaing a bubble out of DEBT https://itwire.com/automotive/ev-software-specialist-everty-charged-up-for-the-years-ahead.html
00:02 TR Bot; - EV software specialist Everty charged up for the years ahead
00:03 TR News; "Heres a graph of the progression over time we are headed towards somewhere between 7000 and 8000 games by the end of the year." https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-6000-games-playable-verified/
00:03 TR Bot; Steam Deck: 6000 Games Playable/Verified - Boiling Steam
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00:11 TR News; (NEW): Ubuntu Touch development - Wanna sponsor ARM64 CPU power for CI build infrastructure? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Ubuntu_Touch_development_Wanna_sponsor_ARM64_CPU_power_for_CI_b.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Ubuntu_Touch_development_Wanna_sponsor_ARM64_CPU_power_for_CI_b.gmi
00:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Ubuntu Touch development - Wanna sponsor ARM64 CPU power for CI build infrastructure?
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00:13 TR News; SSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOO green that you need laptops and pollution like energy-hungry 'smart' phones... to get done stuff that required NEITHER https://itwire.com/automotive/ev-software-specialist-everty-charged-up-for-the-years-ahead.html like hippie/yuppie BS where they say, "don't print, bad for the planet" (as if using PCs has no impact on the planet)
00:15 TR News; Banks in UK: check the "apps", no A4 paper... because environment! Excuse me, did you bother checking how much energy is required to produce just one spyphone (shipping, mining, melting etc.) and how much power is needed to keep the darn thing charged all the time? If done on PC with monitor, maybe 50 watts.
00:16 TR News; Technofascists love greenwashing. All their nasty crap will "save the planet", they insist. Until one actually fact-checks. There is also a human rights toll, which the media rarely shows (e.g. sweatshops).
00:19 TR News; "HEY HI" is more than 50 years own. Clown computing is even older than this. A lot of what they tell us is "new" and "exciting" is actually very old. They lie to us. They call it "marketing". Touchcreens? 1980s. VR ("metaverse")? 1980s. Self-checkouts and voice recognition could EASILY be done by the 1990s. Nothing new here, just techno-fascistic agenda.
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:21 TR News; A child in the 1980s already saw lots of mobile phones. Yes, they were large and expensive, not many people had them. Adding "smart" to them doesn't make them novel. Also, insisting they're smart because you can add "apps" to them ignores ample prior art from the 1990s.
00:22 TR News; The 'tech' industry rapidly became a lying industry. It's particularly bad as it means that liars get promoted to management, chronic liars become top chiefs. These people, in turn, boss honest geeks.
00:24 TR News; When fools tell you "it's just a Ubuntu-based distro" remind them what Ubuntu is. Just some "Debian-based distro". Mark Shuttleworth invented nothing. Right place at the right time, sold a 'certificates mill' and avoided paying his taxes until the state took him to court and won.
00:25 TR News; Mark Shuttleworth basically took Debian and added sex to it to sell his own version of it http://techrights.org/2022/05/15/jeff-waugh-on-mark-shuttleworth/
00:25 TR Bot; Audio: Mark Shuttleworth Marketed to Young Males, With Sexy Pictures | Techrights
00:30 TR News; Stephen OGrady and Rachel Stephens, failing to disclose that Microsoft pays them (conflict of interest at Redmonk, as usual), assess programming languages popularity using Microsofts own data http://techrights.org/2022/10/20/github-propaganda/
00:31 TR News; (NEW): This Laptop Runs Android, Not Windows or Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/This_Laptop_Runs_Android_Not_Windows_or_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/This_Laptop_Runs_Android_Not_Windows_or_Linux.gmi
00:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines This Laptop Runs Android, Not Windows or Linux
00:32 TR News; 'Solution' in search of a problem unless you fancy the CIA tracking your mouse cursor, keystrokes etc https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-launches-red-hat-enterprise-linux-workstations-aws
00:32 TR Bot; Red Hat Launches Red Hat Enterprise Linux for Workstations on AWS
00:34 TR News; ICBM/Red Hat to the community: don't objectify women. ICBM/Red Hat to shareholders: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ulta-beauty-standardizes-red-hat-ansible-automation-platform-automation-transformation
00:34 TR Bot; Ulta Beauty Standardizes on Red Hat Ansible Automation Platform for Automation Transformation
00:35 TR News; Instead of compering with Microsoft, Red Hat helps Microsoft push proprietary software and spy on people https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-ansible-automation-platform-azure-now-available-microsoft-azure-marketplace
00:35 TR Bot; Red Hat Ansible Automation Platform on Azure Now Available at Microsoft Azure Marketplace
00:36 TR News; HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-and-ibm-research-advance-it-automation-ai-powered-capabilities-ansible
00:36 TR Bot; Red Hat and IBM Research Advance IT Automation with AI-Powered Capabilities for Ansible
00:37 TR News; ICBM: pay us PREMIUMS for all the HEY HIs
00:39 TR News; Before there were "selfies" ICBM's first chief did this with Hitler http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/watson-article-ibm-medal-from-hitler.png
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00:44 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Brodie Robertson, Audacity on Linux Mint, and Story of GCompris http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Videos_Brodie_Robertson_Audacity_on_Linux_Mint_and_Story_of_GCo.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Videos_Brodie_Robertson_Audacity_on_Linux_Mint_and_Story_of_GCo.gmi
00:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Brodie Robertson, Audacity on Linux Mint, and Story of GCompris
00:45 TR News; (NEW): Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Fedora_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Fedora_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.1.gmi
00:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
00:45 DaemonFC; * Fri Oct 14 2022 Martin Stransky <stransky@redhat.com>- 106.0-1
00:45 DaemonFC; - Updated to 106.0
00:45 DaemonFC; - Disabled PGO build due to rhbz#2136401
00:46 DaemonFC; Firefox 106 on Fedora has broken Profile Guided Optimization.
00:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, ^
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; ahg
00:46 DaemonFC; https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2136401
00:46 resistor; title 42 expulsion was introduced year 1944
00:46 TR Bot; 2136401 Firefox fails to build with PGO - source locations for function XY have changed, the profile data may be out of date
00:46 resistor; in USA
00:47 DaemonFC; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1796523
00:47 TR Bot; 1796523 - GCC PGO build fails - source locations for function XY have changed, the profile data may be out of date
00:47 resistor; and title 42 expulsions are enacted still, several dozens of thousands each year
00:49 TR News; CPU-X: Linux System Profiling and Monitoring | BIOSLEVEL | Linux Harware Profiling https://bioslevel.com/articles/2022/cpux-linux-system-profiling-and-monitoring Source: bioslevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bioslevel.com/articles/2022/cpux-linux-system-profiling-and-monitoring
00:49 TR Bot; Linux System Profiling and Monitoring | BIOSLEVEL | Linux Harware Profiling
00:49 resistor; minor mistake, several dozens of thousands of title 42 expulsuions each month
00:50 resistor; i had not seen this data cited before anywhere ever, instead some arbitrary covid data flooded all over tv screens and newspapers, and no expulsion data mentioned
00:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Firefox added a pinned tab now.
00:51 DaemonFC; And changed my color theme without asking.
00:51 DaemonFC; Ugh
00:52 TR News; iTWire - In the midst of a major digital mess, ASPI is pushing digital ID. Really? https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/in-the-midst-of-a-major-digital-mess,-aspi-is-pushing-digital-id-really.html Source: IT Wire
00:52 TR Bot; - In the midst of a major digital mess, ASPI is pushing digital ID. Really?
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; you don't like Firefox?what are you, a nazi?
00:55 DaemonFC; It changes my theme to a color, which expires in January.
00:56 TR News; (NEW): GNU/Linux Software: CPU-X, MAAS, syslog-ng http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/GNU_Linux_Software_CPU_X_MAAS_syslog_ng.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/GNU_Linux_Software_CPU_X_MAAS_syslog_ng.gmi
00:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines GNU/Linux Software: CPU-X, MAAS, syslog-ng
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; Firefox is all about choicew
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; you can choose all the colours of the rainbow
00:56 DaemonFC; https://mylegalheat.com/blog/what-is-a-foid-card-everything-you-need-to-know/
00:56 TR Bot; What Is A FOID Card - Everything You Need To Know | Legal Heat
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; but cannot have proper theming
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; I made two firefox themes
00:57 DaemonFC; "The People of Illinois" v. Vivian Brown
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; of course they won't work anymore
00:57 DaemonFC; Well, as a "people of Illinois", I think they should have to let Vivian Brown go.
00:57 DaemonFC; So that matters, right? :)
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; http://schestowitz.com/Software/RoyZilla/
00:57 TR Bot; PimpZilla Blue and Firefox Themes Test-bed
00:57 DaemonFC; MinceR, How absolutely arrogant that they frame criminal cases as "The People" v. the defendant.
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog_Frames/firefoxmac.png
00:58 DaemonFC; Especially in a highly charged case where half the people would say she didn't do anything wrong AND the law is unconstitutional as well.
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2005/04/19/firefox-mac-theme/
00:58 TR Bot; Blog Archive Firefox Mac Theme
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2005/04/17/pimpzilla-blue/
00:58 TR Bot; Blog Archive PimpZilla Blue
00:59 DaemonFC; They act like some prosecutor who barely made it through an election by the edge of a razor, is representing "the people" in total.
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 67.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 99.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 106.86
01:01 TR News; (NEW): Steam Deck: 6000 Games Playable/Verified http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Steam_Deck_6000_Games_Playable_Verified.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Steam_Deck_6000_Games_Playable_Verified.gmi
01:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines Steam Deck: 6000 Games Playable/Verified
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01:01 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: correc t me if I ak wrong
01:01 schestowitz[TR]; I don't keep track of firefox anymore (removed it from one pc last week):
01:01 schestowitz[TR]; now firefox just supports very rudimentayr theming
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; no scrollbar, buttons, menus
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; just some liusy imnage nearr the top and some css-liek theme
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; *lousy
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; basically tightly contgrolled by Bakersoft
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; and very little room for extension
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; they've made firefox more rigid over time
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01:02 schestowitz[TR]; iow, more like chrome
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; which is what they claim they hope people would get away from
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01:04 XRevan86; DaemonFC: "And changed my color theme without asking" <- It does ask.
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01:05 DaemonFC; Nope.
01:05 DaemonFC; Changed it to red.
01:05 DaemonFC; Then told me Colorways are here.
01:05 TR News; LOL! Get a 1980s Casio or something. They were bug free and didn't need a battery change for years. This one is lasting days, at most, and barely works. https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-apple-watch-not-getting-notifications/
01:05 TR Bot; How to Fix Apple Watch Not Getting Notifications - Make Tech Easier
01:05 XRevan86; It opens a tab with a theme selector.
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla vandalises its own products
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; and coppies chrome's worst 'features'
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; like tabs instead of proper menus
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, themes in chrome suck also
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; it is not versatile at all
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; it doesn't care about users
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; it dictates to them
01:09 TR News; Notice how Microsofters, even a year after the patch, keep bringing up and hyping up "Log4Shell" (or J) https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/10/19/cve-2022-42889/ the Microsofters did the same with "heartbleed" for years
01:09 TR Bot; Apache Commons Text flaw is not a repeat of Log4Shell (CVE-2022-42889) - Help Net Security
01:09 resistor; there is a simple solution to this: not using any modern web-browser
01:10 resistor; currently there isn't any of lynx,w3m,links ported to oasis-linux build scripting... just saying
01:11 resistor; hence, if you're absolutely strict with acceptance criteria over there, then there isn't none of those browsers anymore
01:12 resistor; what oasis linux ported instead is, interesting, netsurf browser
01:12 TR News; Microsofters trolling Torvalds as he surrenders to GAFAM https://analyticsindiamag.com/after-30-years-a-second-language-comes-to-linux-kernel/ see http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/going-rusty-faster/
01:12 TR Bot; After 30 Years, a Second Language Comes to Linux Kernel
01:12 TR Bot; The Life of Linux Will Be Shortened by a Misguided Adoption of Rust | Techrights
01:14 TR News; (NEW): Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Security_and_Fear_Uncertainty_Doubt_FUD.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Security_and_Fear_Uncertainty_Doubt_FUD.gmi
01:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD)
01:14 resistor; and the oasis linux tree isn't sanitized yet to comply with acceptance criteria of mine, i think netsurf or any dependency wouldn't pass
01:15 schestowitz[TR]; o oasis-linux ?
01:15 resistor; nonetheless, detangling from GNU-buildsystem that's a huge accomplishment of oasis-linux, and all of what they got in their tree
01:16 resistor; schestowitz[TR]: https://github.com/oasislinux/oasis
01:16 TR Bot; - oasislinux/oasis: a small statically-linked linux system
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; lol, github
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; proprietary
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; oasis
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; from what?
01:16 resistor; i cloned it already
01:16 reptilian_thrills; freedom
01:17 resistor; however, i would need to fork oasis-linux, cleanup their tree, merge my stuff, replace linux kernel with v2.4, integrate tcc-toolchain...
01:18 resistor; and there is several reasons i didn't continue any longer
01:18 resistor; with oasis-linux, it is their linux kernel version chosen, an implied _hard_ vendor lock against x86(64), among other problems
01:18 TR News; 3 more Gemini capsules added/created today? gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; kernel.org ----> MICEROSOFT = OASIA!!
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; *ISIS
01:19 resistor; the vendor lock against x86(64) isn't easily coped with; and it is an inter-dependent problem with kernel-version
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; not OASIS
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; and not the OASIS standards outfit, either
01:19 reptilian_thrills; isis what you did there
01:19 resistor; because with tcc-toolchain, i consider roll-back to linux-2.4, and this too would vendor-lock against x86(64), which i don't accept
01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
01:20 resistor; nonetheless, oasis linux made considerable progress with their ideas, currently it is the only clean linux-distro remaining, imo
01:21 reptilian_thrills; kernel.org -> microsoft hmm?
01:21 starstreak; activelow detected: resistor
01:21 reptilian_thrills; bye, gkh
01:22 reptilian_thrills; gkh: rust apologist
01:23 reptilian_thrills; theres only one t in rust
01:23 reptilian_thrills; because you cant trust it
01:24 resistor; with C11 feature creep inside recent kernel versions, the required compilers are troublesome regardless of rust
01:24 resistor; it is a difference still, if it's rust or C11 fed into the compilers, in any case both c11 and rust vendor-lock against those compilers
01:25 resistor; back to oasis-linux, i wasn't aware yet if they made any progress to digest linux-5.16 (their current version chosen) with cproc/qbe
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; rust statistics
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds is consenting
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; he was given warnings
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; so he complies
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; he said he even started trying to learn it
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; because he cannot review code he merges
01:26 resistor; one of their goals is, and alot of accomplished already by them, to compile an entire linux distro with cproc/qbe
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; that's a recipe foir disaster
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; "I can't code rust, btu I have white hair"
01:27 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D735.jpg
01:27 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D390.jpg
01:28 TR News; IRC is better gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~nristen/gemlog/20221020.gmi
01:29 resistor; i think oasis linux originated from the land of the devil: California
01:30 resistor; same again, i fear development man power is invested into a project doomed to fail
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; death valley?
01:30 resistor; which is why, it is sad, to see competent developers engaged in such brilliant linux projects
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; are you a brilliant developer?
01:31 resistor; no, i was educated for management
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; also, what kernel do you use?
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; linux
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; afaik, even guix is linux
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; and guix is run by total idiots.. or WAS run
01:31 resistor; yes, linux, and i am not only using this, i too hacked on linux kernel until v5.10, and consider it blocked indefinitely
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; they changed leadership a bit
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; but ibm.fools are still there it seems
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; linux became a spitbucket
01:32 resistor; i think guix and bootstrappable.org slightly interesect with each other; i think the bootstrappable.org devs are among the most competent
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; every company spits drivers into it
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; and so they keep is stirred up and warm
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; and the quality declines
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; inc. bugs tha t can spil hardware
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; *spoil
01:33 reptilian_thrills; but ibm.fools are still there it seems <- yep
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; because it's too big for quality control
01:33 resistor; linux kernel is first and foremost this: TOO BIG, that big and fat nowadays, it must fail
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; and moves fast as every company wants its driver "dump" to be in the next kernel within 3 months
01:33 reptilian_thrills; because it's too big for quality control <- attack surface
01:33 reptilian_thrills; but what they will do is
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; so it dumps it in for 2 weeks until rc1
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; and then waits
01:33 reptilian_thrills; theyll prune shit thats important
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; and some write it in rust now
01:33 reptilian_thrills; or shit they dont want to support anymore
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds cannot comprehend what he signs off
01:34 reptilian_thrills; and support more new stuff
01:34 resistor; i am not expressing this as a wish-think, it is a prognosis, what happens to linux, and it already begun
01:34 reptilian_thrills; and a lot of people will like that, except people who were happy that things got supported for longer without it becoming a treadmill
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; meanwhile they keep massive microsofrt crap
01:34 reptilian_thrills; linucks will be less reliable
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; for proprietary crap
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; that nobody but microsoft audits
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; and maybe the nsa codes partly
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; but they remove suppoort for floppies
01:34 reptilian_thrills; the future of gnu/linux is microshit
01:34 resistor; linux 2.4 3million LoC (this was fat alread, and stuffed with corporate cancer such as ACPI), linux 5.10 30million LoC, and that's a death sentence to any decent kernel
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; which had decent support and much woirk into stability
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; remove stable stuff
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; add crap from microsoft
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; because microsoft bribes jim zemlin and sheela microsoft
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; that's todsay's "modern" linux
01:35 reptilian_thrills; but they remove suppoort for floppies <- they should have just made it not load by default
01:35 reptilian_thrills; then if you run it with a kernel option it loads
01:35 reptilian_thrills; how hard is that
01:36 resistor; with linux-2.4, to avoid a _hard_ vendor lock against x86(64?), i would need to manufacture my own hardware even
01:36 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/deans-list/jury-kevin-spacey-didnt-molest-actor-anthony-rapp-in-1986/
01:36 TR Bot; Jury: Kevin Spacey didnt molest actor Anthony Rapp in 1986 | WGN-TV
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; he did some shit 20 years ago
01:37 DaemonFC; Kevin Spacey has been acquitted by a jury. Now he should sue Anthony Rapp for defamation.
01:37 resistor; such as a 68k FPGA softcore, or MIPS or whatever else there is... and that's too much, besides the huge integration effort required with oasis-linux
01:37 DaemonFC; Rapp was trying to win $40 million and has destroyed the career of Kevin Spacey.
01:37 DaemonFC; I think Spacey, with the trial ending today, has good reason to sue Rapp.
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; were there not multiple allegers?
01:38 resistor; DaemonFC: thank you for participating in the conversation
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; ok, back to linus
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; spacey is not even remotely related
01:39 reptilian_thrills; /me checks the distance of torvalds and spacey to kevin bacon
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; check erdos also
01:39 reptilian_thrills; maybe counterrevolution os
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; just in case
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds might be connected 2 degrees aaprt
01:39 resistor; yep, a seccond opinion on a linux version roll-back to v2.4 would be cool
01:39 reptilian_thrills; im sad af about kevin spacey
01:39 resistor; and what Linus and GKH would say about this
01:39 reptilian_thrills; i thought he would be PERFECT for playing jack benny
01:39 reptilian_thrills; theyre fucking identical
01:39 resistor; or Alan Cox
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; kevin bacon -> jono bacon -> bacon -> linus
01:40 resistor; because, i am not a kernel hacking veteran
01:40 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-news-now/bah-humbug-christmas-tree-price-hike-coming-this-yr/
01:40 reptilian_thrills; jack benny, jono bacon
01:40 TR Bot; Bah-humbug! Christmas tree price hike coming this year | WGN-TV
01:40 DaemonFC; Walmart is selling fake trees for over $400.
01:40 reptilian_thrills; kevin bacon -> jono bacon -> bacon -> linus <- lol
01:40 DaemonFC; They bring them in from China, they're plastic.
01:40 resistor; i do know already, linux 2.4 got those problems: (1) year 2038 (2) scalability (max number of processes and whatever else)
01:40 DaemonFC; Who wants to pay $400-$450 for this?
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft <3 kosher bacon
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: marisol
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; for her fb page
01:41 DaemonFC; MARISOL doesn't have Christmas.
01:41 DaemonFC; Her church doesn't allow it.
01:41 reptilian_thrills; kevin bacon -> kevin sorbo -> lucy lawless -> lucy and linus -> linus torvalds
01:41 resistor; i think with a roll-back and fork to linux-2.4 year-2038 could be coped with by a kernel-abi/api break (which they had to avoid in their linux 5.x series hacks for year 2038)
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, that's the church whose memmbers sometimes nail themsleves to trees
01:42 resistor; and the scalability problem isn't the most urgent one, it is only important to know, how far linux-2.4 could scale with SMP/RAM number of processes etc
01:42 DaemonFC; Someone ought to have her nailed to a tree so she'd have something real to complain about.
01:42 schestowitz[TR]; ask her dad
01:42 schestowitz[TR]; he has some planks with nail on them
01:42 schestowitz[TR]; for... something
01:42 resistor; schestowitz[TR]: thank you too for participating in the conversation
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; <resistor> i do know already, linux 2.4 got those problems: (1) year 2038 (2) scalability (max number of processes and whatever else)
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; that's far from now
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; we will probably see a drift to something else by then
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; some devices run a kernel with far more then they need
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; developing for linus will onykly get harder
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; *linus
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; >linux
01:44 resistor; allright then, *BSD? llvm/clang? no, thank you.
01:44 reptilian_thrills; some kernels are not like the others
01:44 reptilian_thrills; some kernels are just like their mothers
01:44 resistor; reptilian_thrills: well said
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; linux-aggi 2.4
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; 1000+ bugs
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01:46 resistor; bugs?
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; btw, aggi means homosexual in marisol's native tongue
01:46 resistor; whatever
01:47 resistor; the problem with linux-2.4 and tcc-toolchain is this: vendor-lock into x86(64)
01:47 reptilian_thrills; whereas in british english, aggi is pronounced "a gayyyyyyyyy"
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; it's written hagi, iirc
01:47 resistor; tcc-toolchain got RISC-V too already, however, linux-2.4 got no RISC-V
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; with emphasis on the latter part
01:47 resistor; allright, cproc/qbe, don't know what they got, oasis-linux is pushing this with remarkable success already, except kernel it seems
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; someone will fork linus
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; like bobby moss forked gimp
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; because of the name
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; he made glimpse
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; of course it was doomed to fail
01:48 reptilian_thrills; his wife certainly did
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; like linux-aggi
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; no reaosn to adopt it
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; toommany bugs, poor h/w support
01:48 resistor; i am thinking currently, if it was at least feasible to do this
01:48 reptilian_thrills; ive got a vegan fork of linux
01:48 reptilian_thrills; its made entirely without penguin
01:48 starstreak; linucks btw
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; excellent
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; number of users: 1
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; fsfe-vegan
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; a splinter group of fsfe
01:49 reptilian_thrills; it uses a penguin flavoured tofu-based substitute
01:49 resistor; i already do know with 100% certainty, the current system i had frozen/archived with a c-only toolchain and gcc47, this cannot be neither updated nor rolled-back, thats blocked into any direction
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; created by people who won't wear wool
01:49 reptilian_thrills; yes, dont wear wool, it exploits sheep
01:49 reptilian_thrills; wear cotton, it only exploits ANYWAY...
01:49 resistor; however, i still can spin-off some distro built with tcc-toolchain , and was hitting blockers against GNU-buildsystem and binutils GNU gas assembly
01:50 reptilian_thrills; meanwhile in bangladesh...
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; sheep work in sweatshops
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; but human sheep
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; "sheeple" ;-)
01:50 reptilian_thrills; sweatsheep
01:50 resistor; and forking piles up that huge of a mountain of problems including vendor-locking again... i am not convinced yet to do anything at all anymore
01:50 reptilian_thrills; making sweatshirts
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; do sheep sweat?
01:50 reptilian_thrills; by the seashore
01:50 resistor; the mainstream GNU/linux is approaching wreckage closer each day
01:51 reptilian_thrills; do sheep sweat? <- for shorn
01:51 schestowitz[TR]; they sheep it from bangladesh
01:51 resistor; and whatever else was chosen, simply VIOLATES acceptance criteria
01:51 reptilian_thrills; its sheeper because they exploit the workers
01:51 resistor; it is complete irelevant, if GNU or MICROS~1 or IBM place the banner on top of this
01:52 reptilian_thrills; oh we are making cute puns about basically slavery <3
01:52 resistor; or Apple, not to forget them with their glorious LLVM/clang toolchain
01:52 schestowitz[TR]; CoC.md, vegan.md, PATENTS.TXT
01:52 reptilian_thrills; linux.rust
01:52 reptilian_thrills; ibm.cunts
01:52 resistor; and this seems to be the niche oasis-linux tries to sneak into, together with cproc/qbe and detangling from GNU-buildsystem
01:52 schestowitz[TR]; antitRust
01:52 reptilian_thrills; actually thats a porn site, disregard
01:53 reptilian_thrills; i was going to say probably, but lol without probably
01:53 reptilian_thrills; probably a porn site :)
01:53 schestowitz[TR]; with flight attendanta and Watson
01:53 reptilian_thrills; with hot core on core action
01:53 resistor; however, although impressive, that's insufficient still, and i doubt they'll ever succeed with any linux-kernel and the entire distro compiled/linked with cproc/qbe
01:53 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/07/26/ibm-watson-plane-incident/
01:53 TR Bot; Meet the IBM Watsons: Sponsors of Richard Nixon and Abusers of Women | Techrights
01:53 reptilian_thrills; racks and stacks
01:54 resistor; although, they do try, that's what i appreciate, because any other don't anymore: canonical, redhat, *bsd whoever...
01:54 starstreak; Apple never licensed Intel ME so its actually absent in macbooks, so basically PC makers pay for a backdoor.
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM: nix rms, fund nixon
01:54 reptilian_thrills; <starstreak> Apple never licensed Intel ME so its actually absent in macbooks <- WOTTTTTT
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; nixon who called blacks "niggers"
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; and who mocked "Jews" too
01:54 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, yup
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; that's the nixcon ICBM backed
01:54 reptilian_thrills; nixon was a pretty awful person even by the standards of the day
01:54 resistor; thank you for flooding and drowning argument below noise floor of yours
01:55 resistor; i don't know schestowitz[TR], whatever #techrights is occupied with, it's far off technical reason
01:55 reptilian_thrills; i believe theres a nixon hillary clinton connection thats fun
01:55 reptilian_thrills; something about watergate
01:55 reptilian_thrills; dr sixel probably knows
01:56 resistor; iirc nixon illegally spied on the opposition, and had to resign over this
01:56 reptilian_thrills; /me throws out computers and gets apple hw
01:57 reptilian_thrills; this is a strange week indeed
01:57 mjg59_; starstreak: No, Intel-based Apples all have MEs, and actually still require them to be functional for some scenarios (eg, if you have an Intel GPU, it's the ME that implements HDCP, so the MacOS Intel GPU driver requires access to the ME)
01:57 mjg59_; starstreak: None of them have AMT, though
01:57 resistor; i simply can't work with any recent computers anymore, knowing those severly violate acceptance criteria (including what was supposed to be "free software")
01:58 reptilian_thrills; None of them have AMT, though <- another plus
01:58 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Solution: Don't use HDCP.
01:59 resistor; "free software" too involved the compiler/toolchain and any support for hardware, which a _free_ FPGA softcore SoC implementation should exist for
01:59 DaemonFC; You'll be happier without the "Chuck TV, buy new TV." message every 3 years anyway. B-)
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 129.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 100.85
01:59 starstreak; "The Intel ME, included on most Intel chipsets since 2008, is controversial because it expands the attack surface of Intel-based hardware."
01:59 starstreak; attack surface
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01:59 reptilian_thrills; attack surface!
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01:59 DaemonFC; My TV only has one port with HDCP 2.2. The rest can do 4K but none of the streaming crap will allow it.
01:59 reptilian_thrills; #theoderaadtwasright
01:59 DaemonFC; That's fine.
02:00 DaemonFC; VLC don't care.
02:00 resistor; just see for yourself, how far you'll get with an ao486 FPGA: it is VERY expensive, incomplete (no USB1, no ethernet), and insufficient to maintain any linux distro with from source, even when tcc-toolchain is 10x more efficient
02:00 schestowitz[TR]; I thought it was 2009
02:00 DaemonFC; VLC don't give a shit.
02:00 resistor; mjg59_: it is dead-end at all frontlines with regards to freedom
02:00 reptilian_thrills; mincers been complaining since 2008
02:00 schestowitz[TR]; surface-to-surface attack surface missile
02:00 reptilian_thrills; it was his first post in irc
02:00 reptilian_thrills; "fucking intel me"
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02:01 resistor; and even when the "freedom" aspect was less relevant to some, i too consider the global supply chains and stability of those systems critical
02:01 resistor; including proprietary offerings
02:01 reptilian_thrills; dfcs was "windows!"
02:01 DaemonFC; I mean, it does make sense for Intel to put HDCP in the Malware Engine.
02:01 reptilian_thrills; "oops wrong channel"
02:01 DaemonFC; Which mjg59_ thanked them for the other day.
02:02 DaemonFC; Then they can help GULAG pretend that Widevine works, which is probably why everything on Netfucks ends up on BitTorrent in 4K 10 minutes later.
02:02 DaemonFC; mjg59_, "I refused a job at Netfucks, you know."
02:02 DaemonFC; I doubt you'd have been the one to fix Widevine.
02:02 resistor; so whatever was chosen, i don't accept any of this (IBM MICROS~1 PC, GNU, BSD whatever), for neither private use at home, nor for any deployment into critical infrastructure (such as german railway i applied for recently)
02:02 DaemonFC; Or FailReady.
02:03 resistor; mjg59_: another problem is, the _old_ supply chains mostly vanished already, such as X.25 era related gear, which is deployed inside critical infrastructure until today
02:03 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I thanked them for releasing a copy of the tooling with the debug symbols still there, which made it easier to reverse engineer how to do stuff that Intel don't publicly document
02:04 mjg59_; It is very weird to me how you manage to misinterpret so many things I say when other people seem to manage just fine
02:04 resistor; and as soon as those old gear is phased out, the entire industry locks-into whatever this clusterf*** is nowadays, no escape from there
02:04 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> It is very weird to me how you manage to misinterpret so many things I say when other people seem to manage just fine <- you get used to it after a few years
02:04 resistor; in railway (which is one of the most critical infrastructure parts), they are wish-thinking already "ALL-IP", and "5G", this is it, they way is up in the future with this
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02:05 resistor; i mean, german railway, had not fully rolled-out a "2G" based digital radio system into their infrastructure to reach "ETCS" level 2 compliance, and it is scheduled for deprecation year 2030 already
02:06 reptilian_thrills; it sort of plateaus and then just becomes a running joke
02:06 schestowitz[TR]; fm lasts longer :-)
02:06 reptilian_thrills; i mean the climb is steep but once youre up there its level enough to build a runway on it
02:06 resistor; and to my knowledge their old X.25 based signalling is still in operation, which suppliers for vanished already
02:07 starstreak; you all just lost the game
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: "us all the LATESTS of the THINGS"
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; systed-waylandd
02:08 starstreak; i like having new things
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; germany rail should use pipewire
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; one day it might work
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; *german
02:08 starstreak; pipewire works fine for me
02:08 resistor; and an IBM/RedHat JEE JBoss software stack on top... that's it, this is what i would do, for long-term reliable operation
02:09 resistor; and it's best, pupils learn this as early as possible, in school and university, getting granted a certificate from IBM MICROS~1 RedHat
02:09 starstreak; i use arch linucks btw
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; to deploy oracle java
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; with oracle DB
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; not postgres
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; "vas ist das???"
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; "the train is late; they forgot to activate the oracle licence.."
02:11 resistor; to my knowledge, there isn't at least sqlite3 ported over to some clean build-system, such as the one from Oasis Linux
02:13 resistor; as soon as any of this is required, a huge mountain of unmaintainable chaos is piled up, impossible or difficult to bootstrap
02:13 resistor; reminder, i was hitting severe blockers when bootstrapping GNU-toolchain, and GNU-buildsystem
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02:14 resistor; tested with tcc-toolchain, as a verification, if GNU can be tamed, no it can't, without rolling back to perl-5.8 from year 2003(!)
02:14 resistor; and the GNU buildsystem itself is, ok, for whatever else, but not inside any component required for critical infrastructure
02:15 resistor; and this is another one, where i crashing into a wall of problems: detangling GNU buildsystem from base system components
02:16 resistor; GNU creeped deep into with a _hard_ vendor lock where it does not belong, and where such a hard vendor lock should have NEVER existed to begin with
02:17 resistor; because, i would NEVER certify any system if any software dependency relied upon it, GNU buildsystem with a hard vendor lock
02:18 resistor; that's why, for example, MIT-licensed lua-interpreter or vis-editor are relevant, to have some development utilities to work with
02:18 resistor; i'll never ever again touch any python or Vim or anything like this
02:18 resistor; it's ok if this is used elsewhere, i won't accept it on my systems neither for private use at home nor within any project i was willing to join, if i will ever again
02:19 resistor; mjg59_: i am still waiting for a response from EPA germany, german telekom and german railway, which i had written some letter of intent with an offer to discuss some of these problems
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02:21 resistor; it is noteworthy, there seems noone willing to, even when i remained patient and polite for almost 20 years
02:22 starstreak; https://github.com/Wamphyre/BSD-XFCE
02:22 TR Bot; - Wamphyre/BSD-XFCE: Turn your FreeBSD system in a complete and reliable workstation and creative studio with no hassle in minutes! Feel the daemon inside!
02:22 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/Wamphyre/BSD-XFCE <- why
02:23 reptilian_thrills; thunar is available in openbsd. what that says about the rest of xfce, idk
02:23 reptilian_thrills; its probably all there
02:23 reptilian_thrills; but you have to type startxfce at the command line
02:23 resistor; i wouldn't touch QNX anymore either, together with their glorious toolchain shipped
02:23 starstreak; it turns your FreeBSD into macOS
02:23 reptilian_thrills; oh, lol
02:23 resistor; at least, i would put QNX to test with the exact same standards, and i wouldn't say any more than this without violating NDA
02:24 reptilian_thrills; when you start openbsd, it doesnt even start
02:24 reptilian_thrills; you have to type startopenbsd for it to even boot you know
02:25 reptilian_thrills; otherwise it just sits there
02:25 reptilian_thrills; its gotten a lot better though
02:25 starstreak; i herd you gotta type startx to start x on openbsd, thats lame, ill never use openbsd
02:25 reptilian_thrills; you used to have to type startstartopenbsd just so you could tell it to startopenbsd
02:25 reptilian_thrills; <starstreak> i herd you gotta type startx to start x on openbsd, thats lame, ill never use openbsd <- you also have to type stopx before it lets you shut down
02:26 reptilian_thrills; stopx wasnt even part of x11
02:26 reptilian_thrills; but its a fork so they can do what they want
02:26 resistor; even OpenBSD requires some compiler/toolchain, although they aren't affected by many other problems known elsewhere
02:26 reptilian_thrills; when you start the gui, the mouse doesnt do anything until you type startmouse
02:26 starstreak; you can compile the openbsd kernel using the Google Go compiler
02:27 reptilian_thrills; you used to have to type startkeyboard, but they fixed that in openbsd 4.7
02:27 resistor; and then, OpenBSD admit themselves, their ports tree is problematic
02:28 resistor; llvm/clang/c++ ok, for those who want this, and GNU toolchain is still there
02:28 resistor; however, i consider the verification against tcc-toolchain mandatory, even when GNU toolchain was chosen
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02:28 resistor; because, otherwise, again: _hard_ vendor lock
02:28 resistor; and neither GNU nor Apple deserve that much trust, to lock against them with a _hard_ vendor lock
02:29 resistor; that's why, them trying to hook into PCC compiler in year 2007 was relevant, although only accomplished, again, for x86
02:30 resistor; and x86 _only_ is yet another _hard_ vendor lock, the related manufacturers not deserving any trust whatsoever
02:31 resistor; as soon as anyone of them does this (GNU, Apple, IBM, MICROS~1), _hard_ vendor locking against themselves, any trust is void, they're out once and for all
02:32 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: I thanked them for releasing a copy of the tooling with the debug symbols still there, which made it easier to reverse engineer how to do stuff that Intel don't publicly document
02:32 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> It is very weird to me how you manage to misinterpret so many things I say when other people seem to manage just fine
02:32 DaemonFC; Okay, so let me walk you through this, Matt.
02:32 resistor; reminder, ESA for example, chose some SPARC Leon, although the reasoning about such decisions obviously never had arrived where it should have
02:32 DaemonFC; When the bad guys add something nasty. You don't tell them you appreciate that they told you something about it.
02:32 resistor; and it isn't specific to SPARC Leon or any other system, it is the criteria to choose anything
02:33 DaemonFC; You say "Damn this thing! Here's what people should do to resist it instead!".
02:33 resistor; i mean, the necessitiy to reverse-engineer parts of any system, that's reasons enough to quit any cooperation with such malicious suppliers (Intel in this case)
02:33 DaemonFC; I don't want to know how ME works. I want to know how to disable and sabotage it.
02:34 resistor; instead, in east-germany, they decided to subsidize the corrupt monstrosity from the land of the evil, california, intel, to establish fabs in Magdeburg
02:34 DaemonFC; Unless they told you THAT, then you shouldn't thank them.
02:34 resistor; i had proposed to politicians there, to grab some strela-rockets instead as soon as intel arrived there
02:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Firefox is pushing users to other browsers. Many of them to Chrome.
02:35 DaemonFC; Because it's just so annoying to use Firefox. Every time it updates, it's like, my my, we are the Chatty Cathy today, aren't we?
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02:39 DaemonFC; https://www.techspot.com/news/96392-someone-wrote-javascript-app-accurately-emulates-windows-95.html
02:39 TR Bot; wrote a Javascript app that accurately emulates Windows 95 on almost any platform | TechSpot
02:39 schestowitz[TR]; ??
02:39 schestowitz[TR]; wrong title
02:40 schestowitz[TR]; that was years ago
02:40 schestowitz[TR]; this is just an update
02:40 schestowitz[TR]; it's electron garbage
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02:40 DaemonFC; I had many more instability problems with Windows 98 than with Windows 95. So to confirm that they were caused by Internet Explorer, I actually installed IE 4 with the Shell Update into a Windows 95, and started having the same stability problems there too.
02:40 DaemonFC; I then sought out RoM II SE to carve out all the crap in Windows 98, and install the Windows 95 B explorer.
02:40 DaemonFC; For the shell, you know.
02:41 schestowitz[TR]; now browesers are PF editors
02:41 schestowitz[TR]; maybe add that to the wallpaper
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02:41 schestowitz[TR]; so you can edito PDFs on your wallpaper ;-)
02:41 schestowitz[TR]; "active desktop"(TM)
02:41 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft INNOVA~1
02:41 DaemonFC; Windows 98 only actually improved a few things, like runnin program code that was in the disk cache instead of one or the other (a significant drawback to Windows 95), more virtual address spacing, and the Windows Driver Model (which was mostly unused by devices until the XP era).
02:42 DaemonFC; I took a system that came with XP, put 98 on it, and tried to install Intel's drivers for the chipset and everything, and they software-blocked it.
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02:42 DaemonFC; So I dug out the INF files and stuff and installed them MANUALLY into Windows 98.
02:42 DaemonFC; Rebooted, and it all came up and worked fine.
02:43 resistor; in their early days micro-soft had been INNOVA~1, that's how far their minimal credibility reaches, up until late 1970s
02:43 DaemonFC; They've been in cahoots with Microsoft forever to stop people from rolling back to a copy of Windows that was less bloated and insane by preventing drivers from functioning, when there's no technical reason they shouldn't on the older operating system.
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; 1970 s innovation?
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; name some
02:44 reptilian_thrills; c ?
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; first 5 years of the company
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02:44 reptilian_thrills; unix?
02:44 resistor; schestowitz[TR]: their BASIC interpreter
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; BASIC was not theirs
02:44 resistor; which they released their source code for, 40years later
02:44 reptilian_thrills; i would say 7 bit teleypes but thats early/mid 60s
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; not Open SOurce
02:44 DaemonFC; I'm glad I don't have to think about drivers anymore.
02:44 reptilian_thrills; basic was 1963/64
02:44 resistor; the interpreter implementation was theirs and correctly contracted and licensed
02:45 DaemonFC; They just get updated with the rest of the OS. Microsoft still doesn't have anything like the flawless driver upgrade experience with GNU/Linux.
02:45 resistor; iirc at that time it was ALGO, anyway, no dispute with me over this, what to think of MICROS~1 nowadays
02:45 resistor; *ALGOL
02:45 reptilian_thrills; along with dtss, pre-unix timesharing
02:45 DaemonFC; You get the Intel shit that time forgot that says "Oh, I'm a Windows 10 1703 driver. Don't mind me on Windows 11, even though Intel releases updates every fuckin' month!".
02:45 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/08/01/microsoft-myths/
02:45 reptilian_thrills; obviously multics also pre-unix timesharing
02:45 TR Bot; Was Microsoft Ever First in the Market? | Techrights
02:45 DaemonFC; And this is "Modern Windows".
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; "BASIC was gained by dumpster diving and pawned off as if their own."
02:46 reptilian_thrills; it also had fortran
02:46 reptilian_thrills; yeah microsoft basic: dont pirate our pirated basic
02:46 reptilian_thrills; letter to suckers
02:46 DaemonFC; If Intel is releasing drivers that fix bugs and add features and making the GPU run faster every month, why is Windows Update installing drivers from 3-4 years ago?
02:46 DaemonFC; :)
02:46 reptilian_thrills; the ORIGINAL microsoft "open letter"
02:47 reptilian_thrills; also bullshit
02:47 resistor; schestowitz[TR]: they did release source code 40 years later, with copyright notices and everything, and i think they were honest with everyone involved in the development of this
02:47 reptilian_thrills; please pay us so we can continue pirating basic for you
02:47 reptilian_thrills; think about the time and work that our developers put into pirating basic
02:47 resistor; anyway, that's moot to discuss nowadays, the little credibility they might have had 40years ago, that's long gone
02:47 reptilian_thrills; if you pirate basic it will make that impossible
02:47 DaemonFC; "We're worth a trillion dollars! Here, have a Windows 8 driver in your Windows 11. LOL! Thanks for pitching us mjg59_! We're a Security Company!".
02:47 MinceR; 21 025400 < starstreak> Apple never licensed Intel ME so its actually absent in macbooks, so basically PC makers pay for a backdoor.
02:48 MinceR; try buying a boxed intHell CPU without IME
02:48 reptilian_thrills; /me waits for it
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; resistor: you were nnot even born yet
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; you praise proprietary RIPOFF
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; which is still proprietary
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; "look, don't touch", IIRC
02:48 reptilian_thrills; shes right though
02:48 reptilian_thrills; the pc makers still pay for a backdoor
02:48 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So, Windows 10 just automatically puts a Windows 8 driver in the OS when you plug in a Western Digital EasyStore hard drive. The driver is not needed for the drive to work, but it does stop "Virtualization Based Security" from functioning, although the OS disables that quietly.
02:49 resistor; schestowitz[TR]: please, don't mis-represent my argument, i do not praise anything from anyone
02:49 DaemonFC; Can you ping some of your Microsoft Friends and mention this on your Shitter?
02:49 MinceR; yeah, but so does everyone else who buys an intHell, AMD or ARM CPU
02:49 reptilian_thrills; agreed, sadly
02:49 MinceR; or whatever SoC goes into raspberry pis
02:49 reptilian_thrills; but she never said otherwise
02:49 reptilian_thrills; yeah plus they get microsoft rtos on the gpu
02:49 resistor; and in particular don't i consent with any evil from IBM MICROS~1 Wintel Pentagon Computer (PC) nowadays
02:49 reptilian_thrills; plus raspyian
02:49 resistor; PC=Pentagon Computer
02:50 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft-acquired
02:50 MinceR; the nice thing is that i recently noticed that void linux has an image for the rpi4
02:50 reptilian_thrills; id rather have an soc without azure rtos
02:50 resistor; that's why i am saying, i would need to manufacture my own hardware, with an FPGA SoC, and that's a dead-end doomed to fail too
02:50 MinceR; same
02:50 reptilian_thrills; if i wanted microsoft firmware id get scruton
02:50 schestowitz[TR]; "Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing." -Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product manager
02:50 MinceR; hm, maybe there's a risc-v sbc without backdoors now
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; they co-opt that too now
02:51 reptilian_thrills; It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing <-
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; via LF/Microsoft
02:51 resistor; FPGA is expensive, it is slow, and most SoC proposals are incomplete and/or depend on nasty _hard_ vendor-locks on the software-side
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; "OCP"
02:51 reptilian_thrills; "this could really use a backdoor"
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft tent
02:51 resistor; i don't accept any vendor-lock into GNU either
02:51 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], On throwing out the TV every three years, I said:
02:51 MinceR; Omni Computer Products
02:51 reptilian_thrills; backdoors ARE fun, but i dont want them in my computing
02:52 DaemonFC; "People around here just chuck the TV in someone's lawn in compliance with the Illinois e-waste disposal law. ;) Then they get in the car and buy a flat screen and tell the Walmart employee to put it in their trunk that's 3 sizes too small."
02:52 MinceR; "Please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds to comply."
02:52 *DaemonFC slaps mjg59_ around a bit with a TV he found in the neighboring lawn, in compliance with the e-waste disposal law.
02:53 MinceR; s/Computer/Consumer/
02:53 DaemonFC; It's in there! You find a TV you have to do that!
02:53 MinceR; specifically to mjg59_?
02:54 DaemonFC; Yeah, you know, I slipped Mike Madigan $100 and it went right in there. I thought it was a bargain. AT&T paid him $21,500, but they wanted the total repeal of Carrier of Last Resort.
02:54 DaemonFC; Now we have a whole state that's legally obligated to throw old TVs at Matthew Garrett.
02:55 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> "Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing." -Arno Edelmann
02:55 reptilian_thrills; ^ linucks
02:57 resistor; in case of their BASIC interpreter this wasn't true, BillG and Allen and their contractors (Davidoff) did implement it themselves
02:58 resistor; sure, they did need a CP/M DOS system, and couldn't hack all this alone, and whatever the market situation was at that time (late 1970s), it wasn't BillG who spread CP/M or DOS before
02:58 resistor; they worked with what they had
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 177.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 96.75
02:59 resistor; this is how i see it, in retro-spective, and nothing relevant changed since then, freedom ends where Washington Pentagon decided to it had
03:00 resistor; in 1984 the protectionism and corruption "made in usa" was pushed further, with their SCPA
03:02 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 126385 total Total number of pages in capsule: 43098 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 2 months 16 days ago
03:03 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 1.4 GB TotalOut: 363 MB
03:04 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:07 DaemonFC; Everyone thought it would be Japanese TV sets that ate us alive and it just turned out to be cheap shit from China and Mexico under the same brands. You buy it, a year later it doesn't even work anymore. So you throw it in someone's lawn and head back up to Walmart.
03:08 DaemonFC; MinceR, See, my intention with that law was twofold, right?
03:08 DaemonFC; Eventually we have all of the TVs in a single pile and we get a free space elevator out of it, and mjg59_ is underneath all of that.
03:11 MinceR; lol
03:11 MinceR; i don't think it's that easy to build a space elevator
03:12 reptilian_thrills; space elevators should build themselves
03:13 reptilian_thrills; and cost 5 cents
03:14 DaemonFC; <resistor> in 1984 the protectionism and corruption "made in usa" was pushed further, with their SCPA
03:14 DaemonFC; I didn't realize we did make anything.
03:15 DaemonFC; The US Army sources uniforms and berets from China, guns from Italy.... I mean, it's ridiculous/
03:15 resistor; that's the root of all evil: Pentagon, and 1984 was still "cold war" with Reagon in office, who aggressively pushed protectionism
03:15 DaemonFC; We don't even control stuff like this.
03:15 resistor; i mean, east-germany couldn't have acquired a Zilog license, even if they had wanted to
03:15 DaemonFC; Didn't the Soviets make an unlicensed clone of that anyway?
03:15 resistor; 40 years later, that's still a notable demarcation line in history of computers, the Z80 era
03:16 resistor; because, any later is f*** beyond repair nowadays
03:16 DaemonFC; You'd think a satellite state of theirs could get that.
03:16 resistor; well, yes, that's a coincidence, Z80 era intersected with 1984 SCPA from Ronald Reagan
03:16 DaemonFC; Communism completely falls apart.
03:16 DaemonFC; Example: Coffee.
03:17 resistor; that one wasn't that heavily fisted by anti-competitive habits of Shitel RAND Corp. California
03:17 DaemonFC; Their government couldn't even get coffee. Soon it ended up in barter, supplying weapons to third world countries engaging in civil war, for coffee.
03:18 resistor; east-germany did establish coffee planted in Vietnam, however those plants required time to grow, and once harvest was ready, east-germany had ceased to exist
03:18 resistor; and, there was coffee available, it was expensive
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03:20 resistor; DaemonFC: well yes, i am still digging inside the shattered peaces of the industry, of what they, USA, had smashed 40 years ago already
03:20 resistor; pieces
03:21 resistor; it's still hurting, the entire industry
03:21 resistor; including USA itself, and Biddler being desperate to re-establish semiconductor manufacturing fabs in the land of the devil of his
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03:51 resistor; anyway, the approach from oasis linux is, to keep a small and (insufficiently) clean base-system, similar to BSD, with additional GNU dependency creep remaining 100% _optional_
03:52 resistor; and this is very difficult to accomplish, because GNU-toolchain itself requires GNU-buildsystem with a huge dependency graph of entangled problems
03:52 resistor; so, the idea is NOT to avoid GNU, the idea is to prevent it from sneaking into where they cause too much trouble _early_ during bootstrapping/system-integration
03:53 resistor; including various circular dependencies of GNU itself
03:54 resistor; and there is several approaches to accomplish GNU detanglement: tcc-toolchain (utilized for GNU-toolchain, see bootstrappable.org), oasis linux build-system, and *BSD seem to avoid GNU autotools/configure-fun inside their base-system too (not sure)
03:55 resistor; that's why, whenever i see a GNU toolchain supplied by various vendors (and recently llvm/clang too), i know what to expect from this
03:56 resistor; it is not as bad as proprietary offerings, almost, because GNU and LLVM toolchains too are pestered with proprietary inter-dependencies
03:57 resistor; just see for yourself, what gcc is, $ man gcc ; and how much clutter was added to it to support _proprietary_ malicious vendor-extensions
03:57 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/liz-truss-says-shell-resign-from-being-the-british-prime-minister-after-just-6-weeks-her-approval-is-12-her-disapproval-is-70/
03:57 TR Bot; Liz Truss says shell resign from being the British Prime Minister after just 6 weeks. Her approval is 12%. Her disapproval is 70%. | BaronHK's Rants
03:57 resistor; and most targets those "free software" toolchains support are themselves, proprietary and malicious
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.60 k/sec., IPFS upstream 101.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 100.68
03:59 resistor; that's why, you can't just rely upon a GPL/GNU/FSF bannered hammered onto any supplied artifact, and say "see this is free software, let's celebrate"
03:59 resistor; banner
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04:03 DaemonFC; "Elon Musk plans to lay off most of Twitters workforce if and when he becomes owner of the social media company, according to a report Thursday by The Washington Post."
04:03 DaemonFC; LOL
04:04 resistor; and i mean, when GNU/FSF boast about some piece of Shitel RAND corp crap being reverse-engineered, i consider this an argument _AGAINST_ any such system which requires reverse-engineering
04:05 resistor; there is that many problems with this approach, except if you consider reverse-engineering the objective of GNU/FSF/"free software", i don't
04:05 DaemonFC; Cephied, Healthcare, San Francisco: 1,000 people sacked today. | Faire, Retail, San Francisco: 83 layoffs today | Sendoso, San Francisco, Undisclosed Number of layoffs today (Internal Memo).
04:05 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], ^
04:06 DaemonFC; Fiserve, Wisconsin, Finance, 1,700 layoffs
04:06 DaemonFC; Loom, San Francisco, Undisclosed Number of layoffs (Internal Memo)
04:06 DaemonFC; Khoros, Austin, TX, Marketing: 150 layoffs.
04:07 DaemonFC; AtoB, San Francisco, Transportation: 45 layoffs.
04:07 DaemonFC; Leafly, Seattle, Marijuana: 56 layoffs.
04:07 DaemonFC; (21% of the company. Real Buzzkill.)
04:08 DaemonFC; Roofstock, San Francisco, Real Estate: 100 layoffs (20% of the company)
04:08 DaemonFC; Starry, Boston, "Product": 508 layoffs. (Half the company.)
04:09 DaemonFC; https://layoffstracker.com/starry-lays-off-50workforce-500-employees/
04:09 DaemonFC; https://layoffstracker.com/leafly-lays-off-56-employees-21-workforce/
04:09 TR Bot; Lays off 50%Workforce 500+ Employees - LayoffsTracker
04:09 TR Bot; Lays off 56 Employees 21% Workforce - LayoffsTracker
04:10 DaemonFC; Most of these layoffs were announced via LinkedIn.
04:10 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Seems like half of San Francisco has been laid off in the past couple months.
04:11 DaemonFC; LinkedIn is mostly getting used as a way to announce the firings, not a jobs listing site.
04:12 DaemonFC; https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2022/10/19/leafly-reducing-headcount-attrition-layoffs.html
04:12 TR Bot; NO TITLE
04:12 DaemonFC; LOL, an app that helps people research Marijuana.
04:12 DaemonFC; The people on Marijuana don't seem to be doing too much research.
04:12 DaemonFC; The guy upstairs is coughing so bad he's either smoking pot or infected with COVID.
04:13 DaemonFC; Just like the rest of Waukegan.
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06:13 AdmFubar; coing soon... google to buy m$? https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/21/windows_subsystem_for_android_released/
06:13 TR Bot; Windows Subsystem for Android declared ready for prime time The Register
06:15 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/20/basecamp_decamps_from_cloud/
06:15 TR Bot; Basecamp decamps from cloud: Renting computers a 'bad deal' The Register
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06:42 DaemonFC; https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2022/10/20/zeus-living-egomotion-layoffs-flexliving-startup.html
06:42 TR Bot; NO TITLE
06:42 DaemonFC; "Effective Dec. 16 Zeus Living plans to cut 64 employees, or about 46% of its current 140-person team."
06:42 DaemonFC; San Francisco
06:42 DaemonFC; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-19/gopuff-fires-hundreds-more-staff-in-third-round-of-layoffs
06:42 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
06:43 DaemonFC; "Gopuff Fires Up to 250 More Employees Amid Slowing Economy"
06:43 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], NoPuff
06:45 DaemonFC; "While Gopuff executives had intended to eliminate the roles months ago, employees were not notified until recently. In an email sent to some employees last week, vice president of people Karen Fascenda said the delayed action was to ensure we maintain business continuity. Fascenda added that the job cuts would help to optimize for the companys long-term success and that there are no plans for incremental layoffs."
06:45 DaemonFC; Translation: If we told them they would have started looking for other jobs and so we let them know when it was convenient for _us_.
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07:29 DaemonFC; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/20/facebook-shuttle-bus-drivers-face-layoffs-as-meta-slashes-costs-.html
07:29 TR Bot; Facebook shuttle bus drivers face layoffs as Meta slashes costs
07:31 DaemonFC; https://www.indiewire.com/2022/10/criterion-layoffs-16-staffers-reorganization-1234774703/
07:31 TR Bot; Layoffs Affect 16 Staffers in Reorganization Move | IndieWire
07:31 DaemonFC; https://nypost.com/2022/10/20/deutsche-bank-lays-off-bankers-as-dealmaking-dries-up-sources/
07:31 TR Bot; Deutsche Bank lays off bankers as dealmaking dries up: sources
07:31 DaemonFC; https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/jj-and-corning-put-more-100-new-york-jobs-chopping-block-latest-pharma-layoff-round
07:31 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/jj-and-corning-put-more-100-new-york-jobs-chopping-block-latest-pharma-layoff-round )
07:45 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/firefox-adds-more-problems-with-version-106-profile-guided-optimization-doesnt-work-with-gcc-changes-settings-themes-without-asking/
07:45 TR Bot; Firefox adds more problems with version 106. Profile Guided Optimization doesnt work with GCC. Changes settings/themes without asking. | BaronHK's Rants
07:47 DaemonFC; draft error
07:48 DaemonFC; Fixed
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08:19 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, October 20, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:25 TR News; "Just as I was finished setting up all of the hardware, we noticed that our ISP had dropped off a modem for us after we had informed them that we had our own and just needed the service transferred. Reminding me that, of course, you just can't trust those assholes." gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/moving_day_is_over.gmi
08:32 TR News; Advanced Linux Networks Command https://linuxhint.com/advanced_linux_network_commands/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/advanced_linux_network_commands/
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08:32 TR Bot; Advanced Linux Networks Command
08:36 TR News; (NEW): Fedora 37 Delayed http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Fedora_37_Delayed.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Fedora_37_Delayed.gmi
08:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora 37 Delayed
08:36 TR News; (NEW): Wallpaper Contest for Xfce 4.18 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Wallpaper_Contest_for_Xfce_4_18.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Wallpaper_Contest_for_Xfce_4_18.gmi
08:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines Wallpaper Contest for Xfce 4.18
08:38 TR News; Logic to remove duplicate user-installed package https://bkhome.org/news/202210/logic-to-remove-duplicate-user-installed-package.html Source: Barry Kauler | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bkhome.org/news/202210/logic-to-remove-duplicate-user-installed-package.html
08:38 TR Bot; Logic to remove duplicate user-installed package
08:40 TR News; "Bush left with an 18% approval rating, being allowed to finish his second term." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/liz-truss-says-shell-resign-from-being-the-british-prime-minister-after-just-6-weeks-her-approval-is-12-her-disapproval-is-70/
08:40 TR Bot; Liz Truss says shell resign from being the British Prime Minister after just 6 weeks. Her approval is 12%. Her disapproval is 70%. | BaronHK's Rants
08:42 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_howtos.gmi
08:42 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
08:46 TR News; Linux NOT EVEN supported! But CNX goes with this trash as "Sponsored Post". Sellouts. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/10/21/mobiletrans-secure-phone-to-phone-transfer-solution/
08:46 TR Bot; MobileTrans - A secure phone-to-phone transfer solution (Sponsored) - CNX Software
08:47 TR News; "StarLabs, the British company whose laptops we've reviewed in several articles on this humble blog, has announced a bunch of brief detail about their upcoming laptop, the StarFighter, which will be available to pre-order in the next few days" https://www.linuxtechmore.com/2022/10/StarFighter-comes-with-tons-of-new-and-unique-features.html
08:47 TR Bot; timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.linuxtechmore.com/2022/10/StarFighter-comes-with-tons-of-new-and-unique-features.html )
08:47 TR News; Another seemingly paid-for piece: http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/7_Best_Linux_Distros_For_Laptop_in_2022.shtml
08:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines 7 Best Linux Distros For Laptop in 2022 (UPDATED)
08:50 TR News; Microsoft cannot secure its own system. Of course it cannot secure yours, either. It does not even want to. ttps://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/microsoft-under-fire-for-response-to-leak-of-2-4tb-of-sensitive-customer-data/
08:52 TR News; Microsoft = layoffs, disaster. There's a headline saying "UBS to have 50% of applications running in Microsoft Azure cloud". Errr. no!! That's 2018 'news' (PR) RECYCLED. To make Microsoft seem like it's doing well. Azure had its SECOND round of AZURE layoffs this year!
08:53 TR News; Microsoft Azure: you will HEAR about every company we paid to become a client... over and over again. Because don't have many. Also: we're laying off lots of workers. Profitability targets unmet.
08:55 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, October 20, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/irc-log-201022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/21/irc-log-201022/
08:55 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, October 20, 2022 | Techrights
08:58 TR News; Might as well sign your own. Do not outsource "trust". https://www.tecmint.com/best-ssl-certificate-authorities/
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09:17 schestowitz[TR]; https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202205010481
09:17 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; net and his wife
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; *nat
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; Directors / Officers
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY, agent
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; NATHANIEL FRIEDMAN
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; STEPHANIE SCHATZ
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; https://opencorporates.com/officers?jurisdiction_code=&q=Nathaniel+friedman+&utf8=
09:18 TR Bot; ( status 400 @ https://opencorporates.com/officers?jurisdiction_code=&q=Nathaniel+friedman+&utf8= )
09:18 mjg59_; Incorproating is a pretty standard thing to do in the US as a tax avoidance mechanism
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft, github, xamarin.,..
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; ximian
09:19 mjg59_; In itself, that's not really an indication of anything
09:19 schestowitz[TR]; still a "corporate vice president" at Microsoft
09:19 schestowitz[TR]; https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_tx/0010404606
09:19 TR Bot; NO TITLE
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09:20 schestowitz[TR]; Furs
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_oh/478567
09:20 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; are they ripping animal apart for FUR?
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; maybe furs is a name?
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; Incorporation Date
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; 10 March 1976 (over 46 years ago)
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; probably animal abuse
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; oh dear
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; he is involved in a company that kills harmless animals
09:21 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Uh you're saying that Nat incorporated that company when he was -1 years old?
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; https://poshmark.com/listing/Brown-Mink-Fur-Shawl-5a809b75739d4879751d4b5b
09:21 TR Bot; Felix Friedman Furs | Jackets & Coats | Brown Mink Fur Shawl | Poshmark
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; minks
09:22 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: He's listed as an incorporator and agent from 1976, but Nat was born in 1977
09:22 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Maybe this is a different Nat Friedman?
09:22 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: Uh you're saying that Nat incorporated that company when he was -1 years old? <- yes, but only for purposes of torturing animals
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; there is no D.
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; another person
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; NATHANIEL JAY FRIEDMAN
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; I wonder how often the records get updatd
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; it says he is still at Microsoft
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; probably untrue
09:23 mjg59_; You just made an accusation about someone starting a company to kill animals before he was born
09:24 reptilian_thrills; You just made an accusation about someone starting a company to kill animals before he was born <- im going to say its just as true to say that roy was speculating
09:24 reptilian_thrills; he was citing his sources and misunderstanding out loud
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; I am brainstorming in IRC
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; nat's friend shiver in their boots
09:24 reptilian_thrills; if he had written an article about it you could probably say he was making an accusation
09:24 mjg59_; 09:21 < schestowitz[TR]> he is involved in a company that kills harmless animals
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; trying to convince me to no longer cover their scnadals
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; nat is a pervert
09:24 mjg59_; That's not speculation, that's an assertion
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09:24 schestowitz[TR]; and he would be employed nowhere if they knew him
09:24 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> 09:21 < schestowitz[TR]> he is involved in a company that kills harmless animals <- yes, if we ignore the context of that line of text youre absolutely right
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; worse than being a transphobe 10 years ago like mjg59_
09:24 reptilian_thrills; and if we look at the context, youre taking it out of context
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; *20
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; 20ish
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; could be 10 too, but that was a typo
09:25 reptilian_thrills; you corrected him, he found the error, theres nothing more to it than that
09:25 mjg59_; I think the last time I met Nat was before 2010, so definitely wouldn't consider him a friend
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09:25 schestowitz[TR]; brb
09:25 reptilian_thrills; the last time I met Nat <- i mean, you can be friends without meeting him
09:25 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Eh it's more that in the absence of correction he'll go with the assertion and then consider it to be true
09:26 schestowitz[TR]; they literally BEG me to not write about them
09:26 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: Eh it's more that in the absence of correction he'll go with the assertion and then consider it to be true <- i consider it insubstantial
09:26 mjg59_; Fair enough
09:26 schestowitz[TR]; begging from millioanires
09:26 schestowitz[TR]; that's ... rich
09:26 mjg59_; I'm not making a big deal of this
09:26 reptilian_thrills; no, but its fun to watch the wheels turn with both of you
09:27 mjg59_; I mean I didn't get a wedding invite or anythong from Nat
09:27 reptilian_thrills; you dont have identical styles, thats for sure
09:27 reptilian_thrills; I mean I didn't get a wedding invite or anythong from Nat <- yeah i have no idea what connection there is between you
09:27 reptilian_thrills; i dont know any big (direct) connection between github and the coup, and i would love to
09:27 reptilian_thrills; the biggest group by far is debian. gnome features prominently. and red hat.
09:27 reptilian_thrills; among others
09:28 mjg59_; We were both contributing to GNOME in ~2002-2008, but that's it
09:28 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Are you a friend of the Microsoft Strangler?
09:28 reptilian_thrills; oh of course
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09:28 reptilian_thrills; i think i came across his involvement with gnome just once
09:28 mjg59_; Initially I was working on accessibility software, then did a bunch of work on power management
09:28 reptilian_thrills; wait
09:28 reptilian_thrills; nat friedman and de icaza
09:28 reptilian_thrills; of course
09:28 schestowitz[TR]; <resistor> linux 2.4 3million LoC (this was fat alread, and stuffed with corporate cancer such as ACPI), linux 5.10 30million LoC, and that's a death sentence to any decent kernel
09:28 mjg59_; DaemonFC: As far as I know I've never met Alex
09:29 reptilian_thrills; thats the big connection
09:29 mjg59_; DaemonFC: He's definitely not on my contacts list
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, he is still in planet gnome
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; or at least fedora and debian
09:29 reptilian_thrills; i mean i consider it all open source
09:29 reptilian_thrills; including gnome
09:29 reptilian_thrills; and the purpose of open source is to take over free software and sell it off to corporations
09:30 reptilian_thrills; maybe originally, it was better than that. but it wasnt much better
09:30 reptilian_thrills; i dont think either perens or esr intended it this way
09:30 reptilian_thrills; but perens was already complaining one year in
09:30 reptilian_thrills; my guess is (always) that esr is a slave to his ego
09:30 DaemonFC; mjg59_, You've defended Microsoft CoPilot, the copyright infringement tool written to attack Free Software. It was the product of a rapist and a strangler. A rapist and a strangler of immigrants.
09:30 reptilian_thrills; and that it has caused him to fuck up everything he fooled himself into believing he was helping
09:31 mjg59_; Oh ESR's history proves he has no interest in free software, and anything associated with him is likely toxic to gree software
09:31 DaemonFC; Very high ethical standards, right?
09:31 DaemonFC; Only the finest people?
09:31 reptilian_thrills; Oh ESR's history proves he has no interest in free software <- im not equipped to argue with this and it supports my point
09:31 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Do you want "IP" law to apply to more things?
09:31 reptilian_thrills; and anything associated with him is likely toxic to gree software <- i think this is more of a personal opinion based on his character
09:32 reptilian_thrills; which we both agree (i assume) is batshit and too awful to be called simply "problematic"
09:32 DaemonFC; They didn't train it on any of Microsoft's proprietary software so that it would insert pieces it learned from Windows or something in as a suggestion, did they Matt?
09:32 DaemonFC; So that really undermines your argument
09:32 reptilian_thrills; ariadne calls him a white supremacist, and i consider her half-sceptic
09:32 reptilian_thrills; (in other words shes as likely to debunk a theory as support it)
09:32 DaemonFC; They set it to learn from things that they don't hold any copyrights to.
09:33 reptilian_thrills; i mean i consider debian and red hat toxic to free software
09:33 reptilian_thrills; then again, debians ties to open source are foundational
09:33 DaemonFC; If they trained it on a pile of Microsoft software, it would be about 6 times more likely to suggest some seriously broken code, according to figures from Coverity Scan, but that was proprietary software in general.
09:33 reptilian_thrills; perhaps incidental, in a way, but foundational nonetheless
09:34 DaemonFC; Microsoft's is probably bad even by that standard if you go by how shitty Windows is.
09:35 mjg59_; My argument is not that Copilot is a moral good, my argument is that the free software community shouldn't have a reflex reaction to claim that laws that prevent the free exchange of ideas should apply to more things
09:35 DaemonFC; Windows 8 was unbelievably shitty, Windows 10 was worse. I'm not seeing people say nice things about "11".
09:35 DaemonFC; When you literally violate the license of software by copy/pasting entire segments of it into your program.....
09:36 reptilian_thrills; the free software community shouldn't have a reflex reaction <- id protest, but the free software community seems to be on autopilot with nowhere to go and no idea where its going
09:36 DaemonFC; You've violated copyright law, no matter where you got that idea from.
09:36 DaemonFC; CoPilot is just a partner in crime.
09:36 reptilian_thrills; id protest because i dont like either side of the argument really
09:36 mjg59_; Man the fucking starting point of free software was an objection to the idea that copyright should apply to software
09:36 reptilian_thrills; yes but theres a nuance
09:36 DaemonFC; When Microsoft open sources EVERYTHING and gives it away for free, I'll stop complaining about CoPilot.
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; BS
09:36 DaemonFC; Fair enough?
09:36 mjg59_; Which, we should remember, only came into existence as a concept in the 80s
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; GNu revisonism
09:37 reptilian_thrills; i dont get the "in the 80s" stigma
09:37 reptilian_thrills; that just means it goes all the way back to the beginning of free software.
09:37 mjg59_; The fucking free software song explicitly disclaims the idea of software licenses!
09:37 reptilian_thrills; all core tenets of free software (im sure there is an exception) goes back to "in the 80s" or even the 70s
09:37 DaemonFC; The GPL is a copyright license. It doesn't exist without the copyright laws.
09:37 reptilian_thrills; The fucking free software song explicitly disclaims the idea of software licenses! <- no
09:38 reptilian_thrills; only dirty licenses
09:38 DaemonFC; It was a reaction to the new (at the time) idea that software could even be copyrighted at all.
09:38 reptilian_thrills; i think its clear it refers to non-free licenses
09:38 reptilian_thrills; but its implicit
09:38 mjg59_; The GPL wouldn't work without software being copyrightable
09:38 DaemonFC; That would put us in a worse place than we are now.
09:38 reptilian_thrills; and we agree that in a world without copyright, the gpl wouldnt be necessary
09:38 mjg59_; So before that became the legal status quo, there was no need for free software
09:39 reptilian_thrills; i mean, i can quibble that i may agree with that LESS than you do
09:39 mjg59_; Because all software was free
09:39 DaemonFC; You could just make it non-Free by only giving people binaries and refusing to turn over any source code.
09:39 reptilian_thrills; but i agree mostly
09:39 DaemonFC; And there'd be nothing to stop you.
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09:39 reptilian_thrills; So before that became the legal status quo, there was no need for free software <- i can point out the historical error youre making
09:39 mjg59_; I think a lot of people underestimate how easy reverse engineering is
09:39 DaemonFC; Ending the notion of copyright law as it pertains to computer software, actually hurts Microsoft a lot less than Free Software.
09:40 TR News; ICBM Red Hat: You're using a MAC. Right? RIGHT? https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/10/21/rhel-9-and-single-node-openshift-vms-macos-ventura
09:40 DaemonFC; Because they already give you binaries and nothing else.
09:40 mjg59_; Oh ffs
09:40 TR Bot; RHEL 9 and single node OpenShift as VMs on macOS Ventura | Red Hat Developer
09:40 reptilian_thrills; i think a lot of engineers overestimate how easy it is
09:40 mjg59_; Look
09:40 mjg59_; Yes
09:40 reptilian_thrills; especially in terms of time wasted
09:40 mjg59_; There's an obvious argument that copyright is what makes free software possible in its current form
09:40 DaemonFC; And people already extensively "pirate" proprietary software. The only thing that changes is Microsoft can't sue people who are already judgment proof anyway.
09:41 mjg59_; But that's an argument based on the state of the reality we have, not an alternate reality
09:41 DaemonFC; So they lose nothing, really, if software can't be copyrighted.
09:41 DaemonFC; But they can steal whatever they want and turn it into binaries.
09:41 reptilian_thrills; before software became copyrightable in the united states in 1980
09:41 DaemonFC; Which is what they intend for CoPilot to do.
09:41 TR News; Red Hat targeting Apple customers instead of Free software hackers is typical of what it became under IBM. They don't even use their own products. http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/
09:41 TR Bot; IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isnt Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights
09:42 reptilian_thrills; as that was the date in which the terms of the copyright extension act of 1976 went into effect
09:42 reptilian_thrills; non-free software relied on those damn dirty ndas
09:42 mjg59_; I think the moral ideology of free software is aligned with code not being copyrightable
09:42 reptilian_thrills; so as long as contract law exists-- and i think it will outlast copyright
09:42 TR News; "Privacy is a fundamental human right and Kenyas constitution has important protections for privacy. Any laws or policies that seek to limit this right must be proportionate, necessary, and legal." https://www.accessnow.org/what-is-encryption-global-encryption-day-2022/
09:42 mjg59_; But we've confused that because the practical ideology of free software has developed in a universe where code *is* copyrightable
09:43 reptilian_thrills; an argument can be made (im NOT sure how strong an argument can be made) that without copyright, ndas could make software inaccessible in a way that copyleft could have helped
09:43 reptilian_thrills; WITH THAT SAID
09:43 mjg59_; And so we make choices that are aligned with agreeing that code should be copyrightable, instead of fighting a court decision from the 80s
09:43 DaemonFC; The only harm that could possibly come from the end of software copyright to Microsoft is that, like, ReactOS and Wine wouldn't have to say they clean room reverse-engineered their Windows-like interfaces anymore.
09:43 reptilian_thrills; i dont think thats a good enough reason to keep something as punch-yourselft-stupid as modern copyright
09:43 DaemonFC; They could straight up find a leaked copy of XP or disassemble a dll from Windows 11.
09:43 TR News; OPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPS.... Red Hat all about the buzzwords these days. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/10/digital-transformation-mlops-best-practices
09:43 TR Bot; MLOps best practices for digital transformation | The Enterprisers Project
09:43 mjg59_; If we're going to make ideological arguments they shouldn't be based on whether or not we benefit
09:44 reptilian_thrills; but also, i think copyright is more likely to be abolished than rolled back to stallmans unicorn-rainbow-fart 5-year durations
09:44 mjg59_; The entire point of ideology is that it exists regardless of the impact
09:44 reptilian_thrills; which in fairness lessig would probably love too
09:44 reptilian_thrills; The entire point of ideology is that it exists regardless of the impact <- this is the closest to full self-awareness i expect
09:44 mjg59_; I'm fine with free software pragmatists arguing for stronger copyright law
09:44 TR News; "Digital transformation" = decommoditisation = moving to vendor lockin https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/10/digital-transformation-align-maintenance-production
09:44 TR Bot; Digital transformation: How manufacturers align maintenance and production | The Enterprisers Project
09:44 reptilian_thrills; i mean thats mean, but its true
09:45 reptilian_thrills; I'm fine with free software pragmatists arguing for stronger copyright law <- god, im not
09:45 DaemonFC; I really doubt ReactOS would ever become usable with or without copyright law.
09:45 mjg59_; But free software ideologists shouldn't be making that argument
09:45 reptilian_thrills; im not sure there are enough free software people left to divide them into camps
09:45 reptilian_thrills; theyre already in camps
09:45 DaemonFC; Microsoft is undoubtedly aware of it and they don't care because it only works in a VM and is really only about where Windows Server 2003's OS components were anyway.
09:45 reptilian_thrills; but so were a lot of ibm workers in the 1940s
09:46 DaemonFC; The idea of cloning Windows to use as an OS is a complete waste of time.
09:46 DaemonFC; The only thing that comes of it that anyone can use are Wine contributions.
09:46 reptilian_thrills; thats more than a cheap joke, theres SORT OF a point to mentioning that
09:46 reptilian_thrills; in that free software is basically in a concentration camp and being killed off
09:46 reptilian_thrills; only its not people, its projects.
09:46 DaemonFC; Windows is so poorly designed and has so much bloat that you'd need to copy from that it's an exercise in futility.
09:47 DaemonFC; And most of the stuff you get compatibility with if you do it right is malware.
09:47 reptilian_thrills; and that camp is called githubschwitz
09:47 mjg59_; I feel like an important point here is that there isn't a coherent statement about what free software *is* in 2022
09:47 DaemonFC; Because the companies like Adobe are moving to Clown Computing anyway as their new DRM.
09:47 mjg59_; What are we fighting for?
09:47 reptilian_thrills; thats a "play" on auschwitz, any resemblance to roys name is-- i cant help if hes german
09:47 DaemonFC; And you can't study how it works.
09:47 mjg59_; What are our goals?
09:47 DaemonFC; It's on their server.
09:47 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> What are our goals? <- the key goals of free software are:
09:47 reptilian_thrills; 1. for all software to be free
09:47 reptilian_thrills; 2. for users to control their computing
09:48 mjg59_; Yeah but that's just a recapitulation of the GNU manifesto
09:48 mjg59_; How do we apply that to now?
09:48 reptilian_thrills; the fsf already stopped caring about the second part between 2011-2015
09:48 mjg59_; To be clear, I don't disagree!
09:48 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> How do we apply that to now? <- create another free software movement now that a bunch of an-coms smashed the first one.
09:49 mjg59_; But what is the practical transformation of this ideology into the real world?
09:49 reptilian_thrills; but this time we watch out more carefully for corporate takeover and an-coms who dont know what the fuck theyre doing.
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09:49 reptilian_thrills; But what is the practical transformation of this ideology into the real world? <- no point talking about the real world when its just coded language for capitalism taking over everything.
09:49 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I'm actually interested in how you'd describe your political ideology
09:49 reptilian_thrills; if the point is to fix that, then theres a point.
09:50 mjg59_; Oh I'd happpily burn capitalism to the ground if I saw a plan to get to something better
09:50 reptilian_thrills; in how you'd describe your political ideology <- im not likely to put that on a silver platter for you, but im happy to give you what i consider a useful starting point.
09:50 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Did you see Windows 95 as an Electron app? It was interesting. Reminded me of how Microsoft didn't used to vomit all over the place and call it a GUI.
09:50 DaemonFC; Every piece of the GUI had a reason to actually be there.
09:50 DaemonFC; They haven't managed to do this since then.
09:51 reptilian_thrills; i was a small child when i got into computers. i was still pretty young when i got into "open source"
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09:51 reptilian_thrills; late teens, early 20s, thereabouts
09:51 reptilian_thrills; this is relevant because my politics were not very developed
09:51 reptilian_thrills; they were mainstream
09:52 reptilian_thrills; i hated stupid wars (rarely theres a point but most wars are imperialist)
09:52 reptilian_thrills; i figured there were two choices
09:52 reptilian_thrills; i would have voted for al gore but there was a complication and i couldnt (its not that i wasnt legally allowed to vote)
09:53 reptilian_thrills; back then i still thought democrats gave a shit
09:53 reptilian_thrills; then 9/11 happened
09:53 reptilian_thrills; ive never supported the patriot nor will i ever vote for someone who supported the patriot act
09:53 reptilian_thrills; its just a giant shit on the constitution
09:53 reptilian_thrills; so the republican party is dead to me
09:54 reptilian_thrills; after obama, so is the democratic party
09:54 reptilian_thrills; i liked him at first
09:54 reptilian_thrills; i was in dc when he was elected. it was exciting as fuck.
09:54 TR News; Openwashing unwanted surveillance with euphemisms and Zemlin PAC (and its Microsoft/Gulag offshoot) https://opensource.com/article/22/10/observability-driven-development-opentelemetry
09:54 TR Bot; development with OpenTelemetry | Opensource.com
09:54 reptilian_thrills; i could have met him years later but i didnt give a shit. hillary too.
09:54 reptilian_thrills; anyway
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09:55 reptilian_thrills; i grew to think open source was bullshit and free software was honest
09:55 reptilian_thrills; at least the first half is true. the second half is at least relatively true.
09:55 TR News; "Last week I asked for testimonials for the FOSS Weekly newsletter and I have got a bunch of them. The difficult task is selecting and publishing a few from the lot. The testimonial page will be up after the Diwali festivities end, hopefully around Halloween." https://news.itsfoss.com/foss-weekly-22-39/
09:55 TR Bot; FOSS Weekly #22.39: Ubuntu 22.10 Release Special, New Rhino Linux, Halloween Makeover, and More
09:55 reptilian_thrills; but also, the only people who seemed to give a shit about the constitution still were the libertarians
09:56 reptilian_thrills; i think thats funny now, but whatever
09:56 TR News; "hey kid, got an Internet connection? Want to... you know, add some telemetry for me...?
09:56 reptilian_thrills; free software made me more libertarian for a while
09:56 reptilian_thrills; i didnt really put any stock in corporations, but i thought free software proved that with enough attention to detail, and enough integrity
09:56 reptilian_thrills; you could push corporations to have "enlightened self-interest"
09:57 reptilian_thrills; that is now proven wrong imo.
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; bush believed in freedom
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; RMS reminds us
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; freedom cheapened
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; didn't bush get medal of liebrty too
09:57 mjg59_; Yeah I don't think we're going to win by virtue of convincing corporations this is a great plan
09:57 reptilian_thrills; no
09:57 reptilian_thrills; taking over corporations perhaps
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; like rush
09:57 reptilian_thrills; convincing them to do the right thing? never
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; rush managed to spread some brain cancer to other people
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; because an actual brain cancel killed him
09:58 reptilian_thrills; watching corporations take over free software and watching the github monopoly in action
09:58 reptilian_thrills; watching the fsf turn against its own mission convinced me of this much
09:58 reptilian_thrills; capitalism will never allow humanity to move forward
09:58 reptilian_thrills; it must die for humanity to move past this point
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; "move right over, rms and linus, we'll take it from here"
09:58 reptilian_thrills; and it can die, i wish it could feel pain
09:59 DaemonFC; So with Clown Computing and proprietary software already hiding how it works, what mjg59_ is arguing is that Free Software should have no copyright, so that large corporations can steal it, stick it on their server, modify it to do nasty things, and deprive the user of the ability to get a copy and run it themselves.
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; [corporation violently adds microsoft github to linux, e.g. rust, whether anyone wants it or not"
09:59 DaemonFC; Then Free Software can wither and die after they've picked it clean.
09:59 reptilian_thrills; now
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; "get out of the way, KID!"
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; "obkecting to rust is transphobic"
09:59 reptilian_thrills; i am broadly speaking an anticapitalist
09:59 reptilian_thrills; i am still a libertarian at heart, but not necessarily in methodology
09:59 reptilian_thrills; i still care about things libertarians care about
10:00 mjg59_; DaemonFC: You argue for software being copyrightable, but you argue that HDCP is bad
10:00 reptilian_thrills; and one thing the nutty right and the nutty left can join together on is that the workers should be armed
10:00 reptilian_thrills; i dont consider myself a centrist
10:00 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Where do you draw the line on freedoms being restricted?
10:00 reptilian_thrills; but i dont think cancel culture is stable enough to fix the damage the right does
10:00 reptilian_thrills; the left needs the workers.
10:00 reptilian_thrills; cancelling all the workers who are right wing isnt going to achieve that.
10:01 reptilian_thrills; not that cancel culture would, but its more of a sore on the arse of progress than a bastion of it.
10:01 mjg59_; I guess another point I feel I need to make is that we shouldn't consider software authors differently
10:01 reptilian_thrills; well im a hobbyist who thinks USERS should control THEIR computing
10:01 reptilian_thrills; and while i think everyone should learn to code...
10:01 reptilian_thrills; im pretty tired of developers being cunts.
10:01 mjg59_; Any argument we apply to software should apply to any other field covered by copyright
10:01 reptilian_thrills; lennart is only the fucking archetype. there are so many like him.
10:01 reptilian_thrills; theyre all open source.
10:02 TR News; "The project is a true free Libre open source software (FLOSS) that is released under the GPL-v3.0 license." https://medevel.com/openscale-tracker/
10:02 TR Bot; openScale: Free Libre Body Metrics Tracker That Respects Your Privacy
10:02 reptilian_thrills; Any argument we apply to software should apply to any other field covered by copyright <- so you want to ignore the ways in which software is actually different
10:02 mjg59_; And if we want certain rights around non-software, clearly we should have those rights for software as well
10:02 reptilian_thrills; and always was different
10:02 mjg59_; (and vice versa)
10:02 reptilian_thrills; the fact is, copyright has ALWAYS applied differently to "useful works"
10:02 reptilian_thrills; its right in article 1 section 8
10:02 reptilian_thrills; and dont worry that usa isnt in the eu
10:02 reptilian_thrills; when it comes to copyright, everyone imports american bullshit.
10:02 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I'd actually love to have a good discussion about why software is different to, say, a textbook describing how to do a thing
10:02 reptilian_thrills; lets not fool ourselves
10:03 reptilian_thrills; I'd actually love to have a good discussion about why software is different to, say, a textbook describing how to do a thing <- im not at all familiar with the second example though.
10:03 reptilian_thrills; its more about software vs music or artwork.
10:03 mjg59_; Oh yeah I just know more authors than I do people engaged in other forms of art
10:04 reptilian_thrills; now, id like to point out-- if it were up to me, stallman for example, would COMPLETELY GRASP free culture, at least as well as lessig or even :| mako hill
10:04 reptilian_thrills; and i think stallman makes TOO MUCH of the difference. more than there is or should be.
10:04 mjg59_; If you want to make an argument that software is different from "art" then I'd embrace that!
10:04 reptilian_thrills; but you make too little of it-- strategies around copyright have to take into account (for now)
10:04 reptilian_thrills; the fact that hundreds of years of copyright distinguish these things.
10:05 reptilian_thrills; thats not stallmans fault-- whats his fault is he makes too much of it.
10:05 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: Where do you draw the line on freedoms being restricted?
10:05 reptilian_thrills; that software is different from "art" then I'd embrace that <- not only different from art
10:05 reptilian_thrills; but the history of copyright distinguishes them
10:05 reptilian_thrills; this is important because for example you cant copyright clothing or food.
10:05 DaemonFC; The DMCA should be repealed, and then sabotaging DRM wouldn't be an offense anymore.
10:05 DaemonFC; Would it?
10:05 mjg59_; I don't think it's Stallman's fault that he took the position he did in 1984, but I do think it is that he didn't evolve his position in a coherent way as time progressed
10:05 reptilian_thrills; clothing you can protect trademarks
10:06 reptilian_thrills; as time progressed <- this distinction hasnt changed fundamentally in two centuries.
10:06 reptilian_thrills; food you can copyright the expression in recipes
10:06 *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights
10:06 reptilian_thrills; but you cant copyright food or clothing
10:06 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I think our understanding of what can be copyrighted vs what *should* be copyrighted has evolved to an extent
10:06 reptilian_thrills; unless they do fucked up bs to copyright-- and they certainly try
10:06 mjg59_; (This is basically the basis for every Cory Doctorow story)
10:07 TR News; Phoronix has a "Microsoft" category now. Site going down the drain, writing for "engagement"... https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Latest-Xbox-Rumble-Driver
10:07 TR Bot; Getting Rumble Support For Latest Microsoft Xbox Controllers - Phoronix
10:07 reptilian_thrills; if stallman makes too much of it
10:07 reptilian_thrills; cory doctor makes a living based off it
10:07 reptilian_thrills; ow
10:07 reptilian_thrills; ive read several of his books and enjoyed them
10:07 reptilian_thrills; im not sure how useful he ultimately is to the discussion
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10:07 reptilian_thrills; but perhaps hes very useful
10:08 reptilian_thrills; im not sure
10:08 mjg59_; Oh I was just using him as an example of someone observing the arguments
10:08 mjg59_; Also I need to interview a candidate in the morning, so I need to go to bed now
10:08 reptilian_thrills; i prefer lessig to doctorow
10:08 mjg59_; But I'm extremely interested in this topic
10:08 reptilian_thrills; its an important topic
10:08 reptilian_thrills; one the fsf could have gotten right
10:09 mjg59_; I haven't seen a coherent argument about how copyright should apply to software as a whole from a free software perspective
10:09 reptilian_thrills; for years ive wished they would. moot now. for them at least.
10:09 reptilian_thrills; its hard to make an applicable, useful argument about that
10:09 mjg59_; And that influences how we should perceive things like Copilot
10:09 reptilian_thrills; moreso now that the movement is basically dead
10:09 reptilian_thrills; i guess copilot is a relevant thing
10:10 reptilian_thrills; but i dont think free software is any position to fight it even if they should (or even if they shouldnt)
10:10 reptilian_thrills; its probably just going to happen anyway
10:10 mjg59_; Yeah it's not an easy topic
10:10 reptilian_thrills; the fsf talks and then sthi happens either way
10:10 reptilian_thrills; these days they barely even talk
10:10 reptilian_thrills; like imo the whole thing about copilot is less the fsf
10:10 mjg59_; Right? I'd love the FSF to express opinions on this in a coherent way
10:10 reptilian_thrills; and more like water cooler discussion around what used to be the fsf offices
10:11 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Right? I'd love the FSF to express opinions on this in a coherent way <- i think the fsf is a non-profit shell corporation at this point
10:11 reptilian_thrills; i think it has no legitimacy-- not just on a moral level
10:11 mjg59_; I wouldn't necessarily agree with the FSF, but having a position to start the conversation from is valuable
10:11 reptilian_thrills; i think it literally serves no purpose in line with its mission
10:11 reptilian_thrills; having a position <- having a position based on what? some staff? the inactive mailing lists? the lieplanet takeover?
10:12 reptilian_thrills; the treasurer/president?
10:12 mjg59_; Anyway I'm heading to bed
10:12 reptilian_thrills; yeah it was rhetorical anyway
10:12 mjg59_; Because I think being tired whie interviewing a candidate is a disservice to the candidate
10:12 reptilian_thrills; very much so
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10:13 reptilian_thrills; Because I think being tired whie interviewing a candidate is a disservice to the candidate <- very much so
10:13 reptilian_thrills; it was ambiguous before
10:13 mjg59_; But I think my summary is "We can't talk about whether Copilot is a threat to free software until we decide what free software's position on copyright is"
10:14 reptilian_thrills; i can answer that
10:14 reptilian_thrills; free software doesnt have any real position left
10:14 reptilian_thrills; theyre a non-profit-for-hire
10:14 reptilian_thrills; stick your hand up in it and make it talk
10:14 reptilian_thrills; i can separate the movement from the org, if there was one.
10:14 TR News; "Firefox adds more problems with version 106. Profile Guided Optimization doesnt work with GCC." http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/mozilla-no-respect-for-consent/
10:14 reptilian_thrills; i think they all fucked off
10:14 TR Bot; Mozilla Changes Firefox Settings/Themes Without Asking | Techrights
10:16 reptilian_thrills; hire the fsf to hire people to make breadtube videos that are vaguely about what free software used to be, but also mostly about sweet fuck-all
10:18 reptilian_thrills; even youtube does a better job than the fsf and it gets loads of shit wrong
10:19 reptilian_thrills; plus 99% of it is about open source
10:19 reptilian_thrills; but the other part about free software is better than what the fsf does about it
10:19 reptilian_thrills; eventually open source will be all there is, microsoft gnu and ibm gcc
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10:20 reptilian_thrills; somebody stop them if they can
10:20 reptilian_thrills; open source is fake as hell
10:33 reptilian_thrills; its like a mjg has a right to stand up for his partner. what person wouldnt stand up for their partner?
10:34 reptilian_thrills; with that said, there are obvious questions (none of which are new) about his honesty, leading enough people (fsvo enough) to question whether his accusation about stallmans use of pronouns is honest
10:34 reptilian_thrills; nothing new there.
10:34 reptilian_thrills; roy lied to stallman about me once. for that he can go to hell.
10:35 reptilian_thrills; but i say we pit roys bs against mjgs, and have roy use his CLOSE relationship to stallman to get to the bottom of mjgs accusation
10:36 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> <- yes you fucking did, and i wont ever forgive you for that
10:36 reptilian_thrills; but back to the point
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10:37 reptilian_thrills; actually, before i get back to the point
10:37 reptilian_thrills; schestowitz__ figosdev no longer writes for us. On many things I agree with him, but it always disturbed me that he urged you to step down (also some of the things he wrote about the FSF, a sort of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"). Jan 04 11:34 http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-040121.html
10:37 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, January 04, 2021
10:37 reptilian_thrills; "Not only is it ancient history, with no bearing on the present, but you had fully explained the context previously. For him to bring this up now is simply a smear" -- Tom
10:38 reptilian_thrills; anyway, facts dont matter here. theres always bullshit and a mountain of bullshit weighs more than a simple fact, when facts dont fucking matter.
10:38 reptilian_thrills; but back to the point for real this time
10:38 reptilian_thrills; arsehole.
10:39 reptilian_thrills; roy should be able to solve this thing about stallman imo
10:39 reptilian_thrills; roy, being such an important key voice in the fight for software freedom (heh)
10:40 reptilian_thrills; should be able to get through the handlers and ask stallman if he indeed refused to use "they/them" for mjgs partner
10:40 reptilian_thrills; someone should, its a really important smear from one of the leaders of the coup
10:41 reptilian_thrills; and while i dont trust mjg per se, i cant deny that its just plausible enough. though i do give stallman more credit than that.
10:41 reptilian_thrills; exposing this (potential) like would be very useful in ways that are obvious
10:41 reptilian_thrills; both for stallmans sake and for the balance of power here.
10:42 reptilian_thrills; s/like/lie
10:42 *schestowitz[TR] back
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; (from exercise)
10:42 reptilian_thrills; i bet
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; you don't remember it the ay it actually haaaappened
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; from what I recall
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; johns and other sput pressure on RMS
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; against Techrights
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; mostly because of namecalling in TR
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; from your article
10:42 reptilian_thrills; i only have your directly quote (clearly about me, clearly to rms) from YOUR email.
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; RMS knew it was not a single author
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; lxo reminded him
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; and at the end he was OK with it all
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; TR is not one author
10:43 reptilian_thrills; thats not relevant to my complaint, none of what you just said is
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; RMSS does not relply much to anyone's email anymore
10:43 reptilian_thrills; but either way, this "stallman refuses to use they/them [even now]" thing is worth fixing
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; he has "babysittiing"
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; afaik, even updates in his site are now moderated
10:43 reptilian_thrills; RMSS does not relply much to anyone's email anymore <- im very aware of this
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; he has "caretaker" or 'caregiver'
10:44 reptilian_thrills; he has "babysittiing <- and what does that say to YOU about the fsf?
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; sort of like what mary jo foley said about microsoft
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; assigning 'buddies' to 'journalists'
10:44 reptilian_thrills; i know what it makes very clear to me
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; maybe same with torvalds
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; he uses lf address
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; so his bosses can read all his mails
10:45 reptilian_thrills; ive compared it to torvalds since day negative-80
10:45 reptilian_thrills; since BEFORE the ousting
10:45 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> so his bosses can read all his mail <- and they care about users privacy!
10:45 reptilian_thrills; but not founders!
10:45 reptilian_thrills; RIGHT!
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; some of torvalds' bosses are 100% mirosoft staff
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; so he probably cannot 'insult'' Microsoft
10:46 reptilian_thrills; some of torvalds' bosses are 100% mirosoft staff <- s/torvalds/stallman/ s/mirosoft/ibm/
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10:46 reptilian_thrills; but either way, this "stallman refuses to use they/them [even now]" thing is worth fixing
10:46 reptilian_thrills; there has to be way
10:46 reptilian_thrills; talk to dora.
10:46 reptilian_thrills; someone should talk to dora.
10:46 TR News; "Its time to get me up to speed with modern CSS." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day19/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic
10:46 TR Bot; Day 19: the placeholder-shown pseudo-class - Manuel Matuzovi
10:47 reptilian_thrills; id say talk to lxo but eh, lxo is so loyal i dont even know if his reply is useful
10:47 reptilian_thrills; id trust stallmans reply
10:47 TR News; "AWS operating margins range anywhere from 25-30%." https://matt-rickard.com/cloud-repatriation-or-not | Source: Matt Rickard
10:47 TR Bot; Cloud Repatriation or Not?
10:47 reptilian_thrills; doras reply could be instructive at least
10:48 TR News; "And the answer was - I was lazy and thought that it was complicated." https://aigarius.com/blog/2022/10/20/securing-your-blog-fast-and-easy/ | Source: Aigars Mahinovs
10:48 TR Bot; your blog - fast and easy | Aigarius Blog
10:48 TR News; "At first, it seems that its the bucketing that messes things up." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/labels-spectrums-and-the-web/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
10:48 TR Bot; Labels, Spectrums, and The Web - Jim Nielsens Blog
10:48 reptilian_thrills; but having mjg say this over and over with no way to counter it is unfortunate
10:48 reptilian_thrills; stallmans legacy is important. id say his position is important if he fucking had a position.
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, on and off irc
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; ye, dora is a curious one
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; I knew nothing about her
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; until someone named her
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; then I realised who she was and had a chat
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; lkxo is publishing linux-libre fast
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; he's on top of things
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; *lxo
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10:50 schestowitz[TR]; like within hours
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; getting things done is most important
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; the troilling and provocation try to disrupt that
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; and demoralise devs
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; so nothinhg get s done or preojects get abandoned for emoptional reasons
10:51 reptilian_thrills; the accusation that stallman refuses to use pronouns lends credence to the anti-rms letter
10:51 TR News; "This list is going to be short and there may be a sublist of distros with a medium strict standard." https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2022/10/20/362/ | Source: Systemd Free
10:51 TR Bot; 2022 hardcore list of linux distributions without elogind and other systemd parts | systemd-free linux community
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; lots of interesting stuff comine soon
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; re github
10:51 reptilian_thrills; this says nothing at all about the many reasonable people who have defended him
10:52 reptilian_thrills; it doesnt make him a terrible person
10:52 reptilian_thrills; at most it makes him autistic imo
10:52 reptilian_thrills; however, im not convinced he even refused.
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; turns out the person who mjg59_'s spouse says raped her is close friends with Microsoft's serial strangler
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; the whole thing is messy
10:52 reptilian_thrills; more to the point
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; many people connected there in SF< around Microsoft
10:52 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> turns out the person who mjg59_'s spouse says raped her is close friends with Microsoft's serial strangler <- thats interesting. i think its already disputed
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft is the linkage
10:52 reptilian_thrills; but facts can dispute disputations.
10:53 reptilian_thrills; the person who mjg59_'s spouse says raped her <- mjg isnt married and his partner is not a her btw
10:53 TR News; "Released Oct 20, 2022. (53rd OpenBSD release)" https://www.openbsd.org/72.html | Source: OpenBSD
10:53 TR Bot; OpenBSD 7.2
10:54 reptilian_thrills; im not here to make a thing out of that, its just for facts sake
10:54 TR News; OPENBSD 7.2 https://www.talospace.com/2022/10/openbsd-72.html | Source: Talospace
10:54 TR Bot; OpenBSD 7.2
10:55 reptilian_thrills; the thing that mjg keeps saying about stallman doesnt really support the notion that stallman is a terrible person
10:57 reptilian_thrills; what it DOES support however, is that the accusation of transphobia (while i think leahs commentary on that is the most useful here) wasnt COMPLETELY unsubstantiated.
10:57 reptilian_thrills; and that bothers me more if its NOT true
10:57 reptilian_thrills; its a shame if it is true
10:57 reptilian_thrills; if its NOT true its just stallman-smearing. that bothers me.
10:57 TR News; (NEW): WisGate Connect Raspberry Pi CM4 gateway supports 2.5GbE, WiFi 6, BLE, LoRaWAN, 4G, 5G, and more http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/WisGate_Connect_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_gateway_supports_2_5GbE_WiFi_6.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/WisGate_Connect_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_gateway_supports_2_5GbE_WiFi_6.gmi
10:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines WisGate Connect Raspberry Pi CM4 gateway supports 2.5GbE, WiFi 6, BLE, LoRaWAN, 4G, 5G, and more
10:58 TR News; "This is predominantly an update of our last release (antiX-21)" https://antixlinux.com/antix-22-released/ |
10:58 TR Bot; antiX-22 released antiX Linux
10:58 reptilian_thrills; but leahs position, and i hope i can do it justice here-- not to take it out of context or imply anything that wasnt said
10:58 reptilian_thrills; is that regarding pronouns, stallman is an idiot.
10:58 reptilian_thrills; or a fool. or the equivalent.
10:59 reptilian_thrills; not in general-- only regarding pronouns.
10:59 reptilian_thrills; that wasnt said a very long time ago, it was said here, in the past year or two.
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 128.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.85
10:59 TR News; "Weve been operating in stealth for the last few months, but now weve launched our first product" https://petewarden.com/2022/10/20/launching-useful-sensors/ | Source: Pete Warden
10:59 TR Bot; Launching Useful Sensors! Pete Warden's blog
10:59 TR News; "Briefly in the last entry but mostly in the one previous I discussed the unusual 1978 Coleco Telstar Arcade console in its unique triangular form factor" https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/10/one-more-7600-pong-coleco-telstar-gemini.html | Source: Old VCR
10:59 TR Bot; Old Vintage Computing Research: One more MOS 7600 Pong: Coleco Telstar Gemini
10:59 reptilian_thrills; as far as i know it was based on his article about the topic-- which i think is UNNECESSARY (i dont agree with it) but "fair enough"
11:00 reptilian_thrills; leahs take on it isnt unreasonable imo
11:00 reptilian_thrills; and leahs take while critical, doesnt hurt stallman or help the coup
11:00 reptilian_thrills; mjgs accusation does hurt stallman and/or help the coup, the question is how much substance there is to it
11:01 TR News; "in October 2022, curl and libcurl combined consist of nearly 150,000 lines" https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/10/18/deviating-from-specs/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
11:01 TR Bot; from specs | daniel.haxx.se
11:01 TR News; "But when you write a proxy, you can trust no one." https://fasterthanli.me/articles/the-http-crash-course-nobody-asked-for | Source: Amos Wenger
11:01 TR Bot; The HTTP crash course nobody asked for
11:02 reptilian_thrills; personally i think singular they is a gift to humanity, and its been in use for longer than the word "transgender" has existed (since the 1960s)
11:02 reptilian_thrills; its incredibly useful when you dont (or even cant) know the gender of the person youre referring to
11:02 reptilian_thrills; for example, when theyre completely anonymous.
11:03 reptilian_thrills; its usefulness goes far beyond trans rights
11:03 reptilian_thrills; when theyre completely anonymous <- perfect example imo
11:04 reptilian_thrills; though i could have been referring to several people at once
11:04 reptilian_thrills; "they" doesnt fucking care.
11:04 reptilian_thrills; its the honey badger of pronouns
11:04 reptilian_thrills; its the dynamic type of pronouns
11:04 reptilian_thrills; youd expect a c-coder to be uncomfortable with it
11:05 reptilian_thrills; (not that there arent plenty of c-coders who know better. you can implement dynamic typing in c)
11:05 reptilian_thrills; turing completeness ftw
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; imho:
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; (still on and off irc)
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; this serves to distract from the work
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; all this pronoun thing
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; even if people take no positions
11:08 reptilian_thrills; its relevant to the coup
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; it's brought up as bait, quite a lot in fact
11:09 reptilian_thrills; i refer to the anti-stallman letter as a bunch of lies
11:09 schestowitz[TR]; so I say,
11:09 schestowitz[TR]; keep on coding
11:09 schestowitz[TR]; and writing
11:09 reptilian_thrills; mjg basically wont shut up about somethign that supports that the letter isnt ENTIRELY dishonest
11:09 reptilian_thrills; id like it debunked. or confirmed.
11:09 TR News; "They do it by looking to see if Indexed Database API is available" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/20/t-mobile-joins-growing-number-of-sites-blocking-firefox-in-private-browsing-mode/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
11:09 TR Bot; T-Mobile joins growing number of sites blocking Firefox in Private Browsing Mode. | BaronHK's Rants
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; ^ dfc
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; he wrote many things about the person who wants him blacklisted
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; btw
11:10 reptilian_thrills; if it was confirmed we would have to face the fact that stallman wont use they because hes pedantic.
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; serious question
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; ask mjg if he also said "homophobic shit" 20 years ago
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; I bet he did
11:10 reptilian_thrills; he wrote many things about the person who wants him blacklisted <- i dont need to be given reasons to be untrusting of the source.
11:10 reptilian_thrills; i have as many reasons as you do.
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; and now he attacks gay people
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; trying to make them persona non grata
11:11 reptilian_thrills; and now he attacks gay people <- thats very funny
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; for merely pointing how how terrible 'secure' boot is
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; along with other 'secure core' BS
11:11 reptilian_thrills; for merely pointing how how terrible 'secure' boot is <- maybe, probably not the only reason
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; but wait
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; you mkiss the point :-)
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; he likes to accuse people like this
11:11 reptilian_thrills; i dont agree with the point
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; you are "Transphobic" is you criticise some org or project
11:12 reptilian_thrills; he likes to accuse people like this <- this i agree with 100%
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; if some trans person is employed there
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; so I reciprocate
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; he attacks dfc
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; hence, he attacks gay people
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; and I bet you he said homophobic "shit" 20 years aog too
11:12 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> so I reciprocate <- <schestowitz[TR]> hence, he attacks gay people <- and as a joke, thats great
11:12 reptilian_thrills; it is
11:12 reptilian_thrills; it totally is
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; that often goes hand in hadn with transphobia
11:13 reptilian_thrills; and I bet you he said homophobic "shit" 20 years aog too <- the world was pretty homophobic 20 years ago
11:13 TR News; "But I'm not the only person that has pushed for programming just for fun: [...]" https://austinhenley.com/blog/programmingasplay.html | Source: Austin Z Henley
11:13 TR Bot; Programming as play - Austin Z. Henley
11:13 reptilian_thrills; moreso 30 years ago
11:14 reptilian_thrills; a lot of the world still is ofc
11:14 TR News; "I am happy to announce that curl receives funding from The Sovereign Tech Fund." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/10/19/funded-curl-improvements/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
11:14 TR Bot; curl improvements | daniel.haxx.se
11:15 reptilian_thrills; people still get disowned by their parents
11:15 reptilian_thrills; less now than then
11:16 reptilian_thrills; the way cancel culture works, a lot of people get cancelled for stances they dont even have
11:16 reptilian_thrills; stallman really is not a misogynist
11:16 reptilian_thrills; but was accused of such
11:16 reptilian_thrills; we can basically prove its not true
11:17 reptilian_thrills; a lot of people dont care about facts on the matter-- we can prove it, but the first rule of cancel culture is youre not allowed to win
11:17 reptilian_thrills; its nothing yossarian couldnt have told you about
11:17 reptilian_thrills; the first rule of cancel culture is catch 22
11:18 reptilian_thrills; maybe theyre numbered in descending order, idk
11:18 reptilian_thrills; in more modern literature, catch 22 is one of the few unavoidable rules of calvinball.
11:19 reptilian_thrills; calvinball is basically catch 22 made into a fun sport
11:19 TR News; "The marketing for Functional Programming is made of technobabble." Smut HEY ON on the clown? https://alexn.org/blog/2022/10/19/cut-the-technobabble/ | Source: Alexandru Nedelcu
11:19 TR Bot; Cut the Technobabble - Alexandru Nedelcu
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:21 reptilian_thrills; the rules are made up by the players, on the spot, and they can be effectively retroactive
11:21 reptilian_thrills; whoever bullshits the best, wins-- but that doesnt really matter, as you can just keep playing and disqualifying the win
11:21 reptilian_thrills; its machavellian in nature
11:22 reptilian_thrills; in a cute way
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11:24 reptilian_thrills; cancel culture is mortal combat calvinball
11:24 reptilian_thrills; whoever bullshits the best wins, but the player on the accused team isnt allowed to
11:24 reptilian_thrills; the only thing theyre allowed to do is suffer
11:24 reptilian_thrills; its usually non-lethal
11:25 reptilian_thrills; i doubt that it didnt take a year or two off stallmans life-- i mean of course, on top of the year or two it already ruined of his life
11:25 TR News; "From this aspect, the experience was great." https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2022/10/two-jobs-one-life-nothing-is-forever | Source: Jay Little
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11:25 TR Bot; Jay Little - Software Obsessionist - Two Jobs, One Life: Nothing Is Forever
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11:25 TR News; "Meanwhile Amazon in particular is printing profits renting out servers at obscene margins." https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47e0 |
11:25 TR Bot; Why we're leaving the cloud
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11:26 reptilian_thrills; having thousands of people trying to destroy you over whats generally bullshit
11:26 TR News; "Over the past decade, cars have gotten more complex and computerized." https://www.wired.com/story/high-tech-cars-killing-the-traditional-auto-repair-shop/ | Source: Wired
11:26 TR Bot; Cars Are Killing the Auto Repair Shop | WIRED
11:27 reptilian_thrills; can only be incredibly stressful, even for someone in their prime
11:28 reptilian_thrills; i doubt that it didnt take a year or two off stallmans life <- the whole thing was sociopathic
11:28 reptilian_thrills; but whoever heard of a friendly, caring mob?
11:28 TR News; [Old] "A Yubikey is this small piece of hardware device." https://tariosultan.com/blog/yubikey-ultimate-beginner-guide-how-to-setup |
11:28 TR Bot; Yubikey - The Ultimate Beginner Guide (How to Setup & Use)
11:29 TR News; "Our conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/van-gogh-tomato-soup-national-gallery-london/671764/ | Source: The Atlantic
11:29 TR Bot; A Museum Security Expert on How to Protect Great Art - The Atlantic
11:29 TR News; "A few weeks back I made the first alpha release of pizauth" https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/pizauth_another_alpha_release.html | Source: Lawrence Tratt
11:29 TR Bot; communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). ( status 0 @ https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/pizauth_another_alpha_release.html )
11:29 reptilian_thrills; "gee, this is a nice place you got here. be a shame if someone sent you flowers or took you to lunch and got you away from work and stress for a while"
11:30 reptilian_thrills; "yeah, what my associate is trying to say is, youre okay-- also thats a nice tie"
11:30 reptilian_thrills; "why have we all got signs that say 'have a nice day'"
11:31 TR News; "Such biometric surveillance comes with new difficulties." https://digit.site36.net/2022/10/20/meeting-in-washington-eu-plans-biometric-super-database/ | Source: Site36
11:31 TR Bot; Meeting in Washington: EU plans biometric super database Security Architectures in the EU
11:31 reptilian_thrills; "because we arent that kind of mob"
11:31 TR News; "The Texas attorney general filed a privacy lawsuit against Gulag on Thursday" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/technology/texas-google-privacy-lawsuit.html | Source: New York Times
11:31 TR Bot; Texas Sues Google for Collecting Biometric Data Without Consent - The New York Times
11:31 TR News; "The chatcontrol regulation (see here for explanation) has been heavily criticized for various different reasons." https://maxim.tips/against-chatcontrol/ |
11:31 TR Bot; Everyone against chatcontrol - Maxim's Blog
11:31 reptilian_thrills; "i guess that explains why so many people are carrying chocolates and flowers too"
11:32 TR News; "Ehteraz was a COVID-19 tracking app" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/qatar-world-cup-visitors-cautioned-about-taking-mobiles.html | Source: IT Wire
11:32 TR Bot; - Qatar World Cup visitors cautioned about taking mobiles
11:32 TR News; "The one feature I want, which WhatsApp has and Signal does not, is the ability to easily export a chat to a text file." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/10/interview-with-signals-new-president.html | Source: Bruce Schneier
11:32 TR Bot; with Signals New President - Schneier on Security
11:32 reptilian_thrills; "oh look, a mob-- are they angry and vicious or do they look friendly"
11:32 reptilian_thrills; "its the friendly kind"
11:32 reptilian_thrills; "oh, let them in then"
11:32 TR News; "But messaging apps especially encrypted messaging apps are a complicated business. Governments around the world really dislike encrypted messaging and often push companies to put in backdoors" https://www.theverge.com/23409716/signal-encryption-messaging-sms-meredith-whittaker-imessage-whatsapp-china | Source: The Verge
11:32 TR Bot; Why Signal wont compromise on encryption, with president Meredith Whittaker - The Verge
11:33 reptilian_thrills; in freefall, when the anti-hero gets chased by an angry mob its customary to buy them ice cream after the chase
11:34 reptilian_thrills; he gets chased by an angry mob a lot because hes more trouble than even stallman
11:35 reptilian_thrills; hes from a planet where pickpocketing is a national sport, and basically an ideal in their society
11:35 reptilian_thrills; the mayor wants him dead
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11:40 TR News; "this is a story about whether a social platform" https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/18/23410512/meta-the-wire-facebook-xcheck-india-messy-fight | Source: The Verge
11:40 TR Bot; Inside the messy fight between Meta and The Wire - The Verge
11:41 TR News; "Bitcoin Fails to Produce 1 Block for Over an Hour" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/10/a-white-swan-event.html | Source: David Rosenthal
11:41 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: A White Swan Event
11:42 TR News; "On October 12th, 2022, we received the following form letter" https://ar.al/2022/10/20/nlnet-grant-application-for-domain-rejected/ | Source: Aral Balkan
11:42 TR Bot; NLnet Grant Application for Domain Rejected Aral Balkan
11:43 TR News; "Throughout the book he looks at many instances of people whove become violent" https://danielmiessler.com/blog/humiliation-is-deadly/ | Source: Daniel Miessler
11:43 TR Bot; Humiliation is Deadly - Daniel Miessler
11:43 TR News; "The impact of such layoffs would likely be immediately felt by millions of users" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/20/musk-twitter-acquisition-staff-cuts/ | Source: The Washington Post
11:43 TR Bot; Planned cuts at Twitter likely to hurt content moderation, user security - The Washington Post
11:44 reptilian_thrills; i know this is self-serving, but i can only conclude that half of twitter is stupid (which is probably a generous assessment)
11:45 reptilian_thrills; Matthew Garrett @mjg59 1h
11:45 reptilian_thrills; Question: the Free Software Song says "We'll kick out those dirty licenses". Is this a rejection of licenses that constrain user freedom, or is a rejection of software being covered by copyright in the first place?
11:45 reptilian_thrills; 50% Evil licenses are bad
11:45 reptilian_thrills; 50% All licenses are bad
11:45 reptilian_thrills; 122 votes 22 hours
11:45 TR News; "Saad Ibrahim Almadi, a 72-year-old retired project manager living in Florida, was arrested last November while visiting family in the kingdom and was sentenced earlier this month, his son Ibrahim told The Associated Press" https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/family-saudis-sentence-us-citizen-to-16-years-over-tweets/2022/10/18/91fbd360-4f0a-11ed-ada8-04e6e6bf8b19_story.html | Source: The Washington Post
11:45 TR Bot; Family: Saudis sentence US citizen to 16 years over tweets - The Washington Post
11:45 reptilian_thrills; 61 people actually interpreted that as the free software song being against copyright
11:45 TR News; Reminder: money for the acquisition of Twitter comes from the barbaric 'royal' family of Saudi Barbaria. They also have moles and eyes from the inside of Twitter.
11:46 reptilian_thrills; its worth mentioning that song was made up on the spot in a filk competition/festival
11:46 TR News; "American broadcasting company Cumulus Media abruptly announced Thursday during a morning talk show that its ending the KGO (810 AM) news-talk format as listeners know it" https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-KGO-taken-off-air-17491656.php | Source: SFGate
11:46 TR Bot; KGO host talks about Bay Area radio station's abrupt signoff
11:46 reptilian_thrills; 61 people actually interpreted <- im choosing to go with the assumption that the results are real.
11:46 TR News; "country that you can lose everything for practicing your free speech rights" https://alirezahayati.com/2022/10/20/occupied/ | Source: Ali Reza Hayati
11:46 TR Bot; Occupied - Ali Reza Hayati
11:47 reptilian_thrills; i think its interesting that its split 50/50 and find that much implausible
11:47 TR News; "In their response to an open letter sent by 54 Members of the European Parliament" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/attack-on-net-neutrality-eu-commission-remains-stubborn/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
11:47 TR Bot; Attack on net neutrality: EU Commission remains stubborn Patrick Breyer
11:47 reptilian_thrills; but i cant use that to prove or disprove anything
11:47 reptilian_thrills; id have to know a LOT more about stats and probability to do that
11:48 reptilian_thrills; i think only a scalia-like mindset could interpret it that way
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11:49 reptilian_thrills; one that takes a pedantic words-of-the-world, no-death-of-the-author, this-phrase-out-of-context-is-all-that-matters-and-context-never-does approach to reach this conclusion
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11:50 reptilian_thrills; in context its fucking obvious it refers to evil licenses
11:50 reptilian_thrills; what makes it refer to anything else? a very clear bias.
11:50 reptilian_thrills; open source specialises in contextectomies
11:51 reptilian_thrills; and it drives this fuck-with-copyright-and-see-what-happens nonsense
11:51 reptilian_thrills; kuhn / copyleftcon / lf / etc
11:51 reptilian_thrills; used to be osi, but osi has disbanded
11:51 reptilian_thrills; its far from dead-- its lifeforce has moved out into the world
11:52 TR News; "The piracy [sic] liability trial between several major record labels and ISP Grande Communications is underway." https://torrentfreak.com/isp-surprises-record-labels-with-innocent-infringer-witness-at-piracy-trial-221020/ | Source: Torrent Freak
11:52 TR Bot; Surprises Record Labels with 'Innocent Infringer' Witness at Piracy Trial * TorrentFreak
11:52 TR News; "The European Commission's work program for 2023 contains significant disappointment for rights holders." https://torrentfreak.com/ec-declines-to-end-live-piracy-now-but-offers-toolbox-to-fight-illegal-streams-221020/ | Source: Torrent Freak
11:52 TR Bot; Declines to "End Live Piracy Now" But Offers 'Toolbox' to Fight Illegal Streams * TorrentFreak
11:52 reptilian_thrills; to take over fsf and help github
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> used to be osi, but osi has disbanded
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; more like sold
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; over time more people 'get' it
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; btw, many people read the LF articles this week, ouyr articles about LF
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11:52 schestowitz[TR]; over time more people catch up with what it really is
11:53 reptilian_thrills; lf is dying
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; once they get past the smokescreeen of mascot linus and the "diversity"pandering
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; LF standas for empire
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; for back doors
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; foprcoercion
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; and gpl violations
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; lf is onod dying
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; I never said it did
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; its credibility erodes
11:53 reptilian_thrills; how many years do you give lf to fall apart
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; except among those who take over it
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; to them, lf is an asset
11:53 reptilian_thrills; its credibility erodes <- fair enough
11:54 schestowitz[TR]; of course it won't have much value when the public realises it's not the same lf where cto was ian murdock
11:54 schestowitz[TR]; lf won't fall apart
11:54 schestowitz[TR]; they never announce it
11:54 reptilian_thrills; idk, the fsf is useless but it still has funds to prop it up
11:54 schestowitz[TR]; like Microsoft products
11:54 schestowitz[TR]; they just qietly fade
11:54 schestowitz[TR]; like WSL
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; remember KIN and Zune?
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; Silverlight?
11:55 reptilian_thrills; i was just about to say "and zune"
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; how about mono?
11:55 reptilian_thrills; silverlight, flash + mono
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; you barely heard anything about mono anymore
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11:55 schestowitz[TR]; nat and miguel moved toi other stuff
11:55 reptilian_thrills; then steve jobs was like "fuck you, adobe"
11:55 reptilian_thrills; flash + mon <- conceptually that is
11:55 schestowitz[TR]; you hear when the is a bankruptcy
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; but not when the "last person flicks a switch"
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; the flicking is almost silent
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; depending on thr switch
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; and the media won't ever announce the switch-flicking
11:56 reptilian_thrills; well, take novell
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11:56 reptilian_thrills; theres no switch to flick off
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11:56 schestowitz[TR]; novell is not dead
11:56 reptilian_thrills; everything was sold
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11:56 schestowitz[TR]; go to novell.com
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; it's a redirection
11:57 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> novell is not dead <- for the love of all thats holy
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; elis is not dead
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; elvis
11:57 reptilian_thrills; you know when i bring up systemd being written by novell employees
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; he's living in paul mcccarhy's shoe rack
11:57 reptilian_thrills; im told novell is dead
11:57 reptilian_thrills; now its not?
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; joking
11:57 reptilian_thrills; he's living in paul mcccarhy's shoe rack <- im sure graceland is nicer than that
11:58 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> joking <- fair enough
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; kicking myself over failure to remember something from earlier this week
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; something that died
11:58 reptilian_thrills; id be interested
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; but was never "officially" announced as such
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; I don't remember what that was
11:58 reptilian_thrills; was it a company or a project of a company?
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; it's in irc logs anyway, and not important
11:58 reptilian_thrills; because products die all the time
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; don't wait for the "sorry we're closed" sign
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; or zdnewt saying x is dead
11:58 reptilian_thrills; and not important <- no, only interesting
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; they fade
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; and the death is never formally acknoledged
11:59 schestowitz[TR]; people just forget
11:59 schestowitz[TR]; all the shut down gulag and clown things go into "arhcive" or "maintenance"
11:59 schestowitz[TR]; or "our next phase"
11:59 schestowitz[TR]; and then they just die and go offline
11:59 schestowitz[TR]; nobody notices
11:59 schestowitz[TR]; how's Google Code doing?
11:59 schestowitz[TR]; CodePlex?
11:59 reptilian_thrills; i think people noticed when google shut down plus
11:59 schestowitz[TR]; they realised ages age there is no business model to it
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; they need to employ many peoplle
12:00 reptilian_thrills; CodePlex? <- beta version of github
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; to check you don't host malware
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; or tamper with their systems
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; then you need to moiderate
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; like if people upload isis decapitation videos or CP
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; so they shut down
12:00 reptilian_thrills; everything in moderation, including moderation
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; codeplex is microsoft's answer to gulag code
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; which tries to take on sourceforge
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; sourceforge used malware/adware tactics
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; to try to make money off ofm popular downloads such as gimp
12:01 reptilian_thrills; github is microsofts final solution to free software
12:01 reptilian_thrills; sourceforge used malware/adware tactic <- not under original or present owners
12:01 reptilian_thrills; but yes
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; well, the final solution failed
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; germany was in rubble
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; and never recovered
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; sure, they did a lot of damage to europe
12:01 reptilian_thrills; well, the final solution failed <- genocide is often incomplete
12:02 reptilian_thrills; but still devastating
12:02 schestowitz[TR]; about 50 million killed, not counting china
12:02 reptilian_thrills; millions dead
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12:02 schestowitz[TR]; mao's revolution is another killer
12:02 reptilian_thrills; most communism in the world is based on stalinism
12:02 reptilian_thrills; stalinism was a really fucked up "version" of marxism
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; btw, a lot of berlin looks awful
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; esp. former east
12:03 reptilian_thrills; most of the world didnt even SEE marxism until stalin showed it to them
12:03 reptilian_thrills; and by then it was completely fucked
12:03 TR News; (NEW): What? The Steam snap is evolving! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/What_The_Steam_snap_is_evolving.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/What_The_Steam_snap_is_evolving.gmi
12:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines What? The Steam snap is evolving!
12:03 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Android_Leftovers.gmi
12:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
12:04 TR News; "Excited? Lets jump straight into our highlights." https://ubuntu.com//blog/whats-new-in-ubuntu-desktop-22-10-kinetic-kudu | Source: Ubuntu
12:04 TR Bot; new in Ubuntu Desktop 22.10, Kinetic Kudu | Ubuntu
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12:06 TR News; KSA https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/saudi-arabia-us-citizen-prison-critical-tweets-regime
12:06 TR Bot; Saudi Arabia sentences US citizen to 16 years over tweets critical of regime | Saudi Arabia | The Guardian
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; "misguided or troll" https://mastodon.social/@thomasfuchs/109119178051486746
12:09 TR Bot; Thomas "Vax/Boost/Mask" Fuchs: "I'm sorry, but normal people do not give any shit" - Mastodon
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12:10 TR News; "A205E Carrier Board which is compatible with Jetson Nano/Xavier NX" https://linuxgizmos.com/carrier-board-supports-jetson-nano-nx-modules/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
12:10 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/carrier-board-supports-jetson-nano-nx-modules/ )
12:11 TR News; damage from closed source algorithms https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-rent-increase-realpage-rent
12:11 TR Bot; How a Secret Rent Algorithm Pushes Rents Higher ProPublica
12:11 TR News; business models https://pluralistic.net/tag/felony-contempt-of-business-model/
12:11 TR Bot; felony contempt of business model Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
12:12 TR News; doctorow outsourced https://doctorow.medium.com/it-was-all-downhill-after-the-cuecat-cf8ecb250db2 medium paywall
12:12 TR Bot; It was all downhill after the Cuecat | by Cory Doctorow | Oct, 2022 | Medium
12:12 TR News; iophk: ok, now they've gone after the small fish, what about the big ones like Microsoft? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/technology/texas-google-privacy-lawsuit.html
12:12 TR Bot; Texas Sues Google for Collecting Biometric Data Without Consent - The New York Times
12:12 TR News; GAFAM https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/10/19/facebook-and-google-for-downgrading-humanity/
12:12 TR Bot; Facebook and Google for downgrading humanity neritam
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12:14 TR News; "We will explain the installation of the Steam application through the following ways" https://vitux.com/ubuntu-steam/ | Source: Vitux
12:14 TR Bot; to Install Steam on Ubuntu - VITUX
12:14 TR News; "Snapshots of openSUSE Tumbleweed rolled out consistently this week." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/10/20/audacity-gear-gpg-update-in-tw/ | Source: OpenSUSE
12:14 TR Bot; Audacity, Gear, GPG update in Tumbleweed - openSUSE News
12:15 TR News; "Congratulations to Ubuntu community [sic] worldwide as Ubuntu 22.10 codenamed Kinetic Kudu has been released" https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/10/download-ubuntu-2210-kinetic-kudu-all-flavors-with-mirrors-torrents-and-checksums.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
12:15 TR Bot; Download Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu All Flavors with Mirrors, Torrents and Checksums
12:18 TR News; Qt Creator 8.0.2 released https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-creator-8.0.2-released Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/qt-creator-8.0.2-released
12:18 TR Bot; Qt Creator 8.0.2 released
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12:20 TR News; Gardiner Bryant for Microsoft's proprietary garbage. AKA "Linux Gamer"... now just Steam (DRM) shill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7-vdorVC0
12:20 TR Bot; https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=ky7-vdorVC0
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:20 TR Bot; youtube.076.ne.jp | UPDATED: Play Minecraft on your Steam Deck the EASY WAY. - Invidious
12:22 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
12:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
12:24 TR News; "In this post, we will learn how to configure proxy for apt command on Ubuntu and Debian systems" https://www.linuxbuzz.com/how-to-configure-proxy-for-apt-command/ | Source: Linux Buzz
12:24 TR Bot; How to configure proxy for apt command on Ubuntu and Debian
12:28 TR News; Vampire Survivors https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/vampire-survivors-started-a-craze-and-the-10-release-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:28 TR Bot; Survivors started a craze and the 1.0 release is out now | GamingOnLinux
12:28 TR News; "Have you seen the Deckmate yet?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/an-interview-with-the-creator-of-deckmate-the-steam-deck-attachment-system/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:28 TR Bot; interview with the creator of Deckmate, the Steam Deck attachment system | GamingOnLinux
12:28 TR News; "Valve has now taken it down." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/someone-released-the-foss-rts-0-ad-on-steam-without-speaking-to-the-developers/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:28 TR Bot; released the FOSS RTS 0 A.D. on Steam without speaking to the developers | GamingOnLinux
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12:31 reptilian_thrills; andreas fuchs signed the anti-stallman letter
12:31 reptilian_thrills; i dont know if its the same one but theres a github user named andreasfuchstpm
12:32 reptilian_thrills; pretty clear what that "rivalry" is about t hen
12:32 reptilian_thrills; oh you dont like tpm huh, well, guess what?
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12:32 reptilian_thrills; but i dont know how many andreas fucks there are
12:32 reptilian_thrills; they can certainly andreas fucks themselves
12:33 reptilian_thrills; or fuch themselves
12:35 schestowitz[TR]; at first I thought it was fuchs from freenode
12:35 schestowitz[TR]; and now liberal.shit
12:35 schestowitz[TR]; liberal as in centrist/corporate
12:35 schestowitz[TR]; I'm pro-left
12:35 schestowitz[TR]; these people are not really left
12:35 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> and now liberal.shit <- lol
12:35 schestowitz[TR]; they're conformists, "The System"
12:35 reptilian_thrills; /me knows a nice person from liberal.chat but it hasnt changed my opinion of the place
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; I spoke by email to fucks from freenode
12:36 reptilian_thrills; also leah is there i believe
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; when freenode was about to colapse
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; he's based in the land of chocolate
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; like pcock
12:36 schestowitz[TR]; but vvery different views
12:36 reptilian_thrills; im never entirely sure what pococks views are
12:37 reptilian_thrills; he was very useful in exposing fsfe at a time when it was desperately needed
12:37 TR News; "The point and click adventure genre is not only alive and well, it's positively thriving." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/fab-looking-western-adventure-rosewater-gets-a-big-demo-update-with-voice-actors/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:37 TR Bot; looking western adventure Rosewater gets a big demo update with voice actors | GamingOnLinux
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; fsfe is very quiet this year
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; very very quiet
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; the fsfe's chief seems to be going solo
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; trying to sell books
12:38 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> trying to sell books <- hopefully he drops them on his dick
12:38 TR News; Relaying spam for AMD. Nothing to do with Linux, Liam. Come on, man.... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/amd-to-fully-reveal-next-gen-amd-radeon-rdna-3-in-november/
12:38 TR Bot; to fully reveal next-gen AMD Radeon RDNA 3 in November | GamingOnLinux
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: it would not hurt
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; unless he was in split oon the floor
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; or dropped them on a table
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; and even then... never mind
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12:39 reptilian_thrills; i dunno
12:39 reptilian_thrills; books have corners...
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, but you need a hard surface
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; table, floor
12:40 reptilian_thrills; a book is a hard surface
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; fsfe talks canceled
12:40 reptilian_thrills; im guessing your phd is not in topology
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; reason: injury, unspecified
12:40 reptilian_thrills; reason: injury, unspecified <- maybe he dropped some books in an uncomfortable place
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; but it seems dsoftback
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; I can che ck to be sure
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; he cannot write a long, thick book
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12:41 schestowitz[TR]; not even in his natire tongue
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; he targets the books at kids
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; some illustrator does the picture
12:41 reptilian_thrills; well he shouldnt drop books on any parts of a kid obviously
12:42 reptilian_thrills; some illustrator does the picture <- thats how it usually works
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; or he may get booked
12:42 reptilian_thrills; aha
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; booked to death
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; like women in pakistan
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; (uaulyl remote villages still do stoning)
12:42 reptilian_thrills; i dont know how he can put a book together-- the administration of the fsfe is spineless
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; they tried to remove my tweets
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; and my account
12:43 schestowitz[TR]; they also paid a nasty law firm to send threats to pocock
12:43 reptilian_thrills; which firm
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12:45 schestowitz[TR]; bird and bir
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; *bird
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-threats-bird-and-bird/
12:45 TR Bot; Miriam Ballhausen and Debian Money, DebConf Online, Insulting a Volunteer at a Time of Grief | Techrights
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; same Bird & Bird: http://techrights.org/2020/08/17/goodbye-team-upc/ http://techrights.org/2020/10/08/wouter-pors-on-upc/
12:45 TR Bot; Team UPC Has Almost Vanished | Techrights
12:45 TR Bot; This Did Not Age Well: UPC to Start 5 Years Ago | Techrights
12:45 TR News; "A much loved action-horror classic Silent Hill 2 is getting a modern remake" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/silent-hill-2-remake-announced-and-coming-to-steam/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:45 TR Bot; Hill 2 remake announced and coming to Steam | GamingOnLinux
12:46 TR News; "UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection out now and Steam Deck Verified" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/uncharted-is-great-on-steam-deck-heres-how-to-fix-it-on-linux-desktop/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:46 TR Bot; is great on Steam Deck! Here's how to fix it on Linux desktop | GamingOnLinux
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12:46 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9Gc4QTqslN4
12:46 TR Bot; The Trashmen - Surfin Bird - Bird is the Word 1963 (RE-MASTERED) (ALT End Video) (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - Invidious
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12:55 TR News; (NEW): Games: Vampire Survivors, Deckmate, 0 A.D., and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Games_Vampire_Survivors_Deckmate_0_A_D_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Games_Vampire_Survivors_Deckmate_0_A_D_and_More.gmi
12:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Vampire Survivors, Deckmate, 0 A.D., and More
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13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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13:28 TR News; "In the U.S. we have the novel and uniquely widespread phenomenon of vehicular homelessness" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/homeless-in-america-2/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:28 TR Bot; in America - CounterPunch.org
13:30 TR News; Rising Fascism in America: It Can Happen Here https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/democracy-under-siege-new-polling-reveals-anxieties-over-the-future-of-the-republic/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:30 TR Bot; Under Siege? New Polling Reveals Anxieties Over the Future of the Republic - CounterPunch.org
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13:51 TR News; GOP https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/gop-solutions-will-only-make-inflation-worse/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:51 TR Bot; Solutions Will Only Make Inflation Worse - CounterPunch.org
13:55 TR News; Ironically, Pro Publica bags bribes from famous criminal who spreads toxic (carcinogen) chemicals for profit. His name if Bill Gates. https://www.propublica.org/getinvolved/have-you-worked-with-hazardous-chemicals
13:55 TR Bot; Do You Work With These Hazardous Chemicals? Tell Us About It. ProPublica
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14:15 MinceR; https://apina.biz/22755.jpeg?mode=sfw
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14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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14:27 TR News; "it seemed fairly obvious how all of this was going to go down." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/20/new-york-wants-to-destroy-free-speech-online-to-cover-up-for-their-own-failings-regarding-the-buffalo-shooting/ | Source: Techdirt
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14:27 TR Bot; York Wants To Destroy Free Speech Online To Cover Up For Their Own Failings Regarding The Buffalo Shooting | Techdirt
14:28 TR News; SLAPP https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/20/some-good-news-planet-aid-agrees-to-pay-1-9-million-to-settle-its-slapp-suit-against-reveal-news/ | Source: Techdirt
14:28 TR Bot; Good News: Planet Aid Agrees To Pay $1.9 Million To Settle Its SLAPP Suit Against Reveal News | Techdirt
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14:30 TR News; "immigration" as spies https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/20/uk-immigration-officials-get-ice-y-scrape-phone-data-to-ring-up-an-immigrant-for-working-too-many-hours/ | Source: Techdirt
14:30 TR Bot; Immigration Officials Get ICE-y; Scrape Phone Data To Ring Up An Immigrant For Working Too Many Hours | Techdirt
14:32 TR News; "What sets the Thelio desktop line apart from other desktops is its system-specific thermal engineering" https://fossforce.com/2022/10/system76-moves-thelio-to-latest-intel-amd-chips/ | Source: Unicorn Media
14:32 TR Bot; System76 Moves Thelio to Latest Intel & AMD Chips - FOSS Force
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14:35 TR News; assange https://thedissenter.org/manning-book-complicates-us-govt-case-assange/ | Source: The Dissenter
14:35 TR Bot; Chelsea Manning's Book Undercuts US Case Against Assange
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14:45 TR News; "This is an interim release, meaning it will only be supported for nine months." https://fossforce.com/2022/10/ubuntus-kinetic-kudu-22-10-released-whats-new-for-desktop-server/ | Source: Unicorn Media
14:45 TR Bot; Ubuntu's Kinetic Kudu 22.10 Released: What's New for Desktop & Server - FOSS Force
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14:55 TR News; Microsoft is fake https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/10/battle-with-bots-prompts-mass-purge-of-amazon-apple-employee-accounts-on-linkedin/ | Source: Krebs On Security
14:55 TR Bot; Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Employee Accounts on LinkedIn Krebs on Security
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15:04 TR News; debt https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/americorps-student-loan-debt-forgiveness-biden/ | Source: The Nation
15:04 TR Bot; Biden Should Invest in Communities, Not More Community Service | The Nation
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15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:23 psydruid; lf is a Microsoft (and more) proxy
15:24 psydruid; "Linus, how is that proxy working out for you? where do you want to go today?"
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; I am preparing a post about it atm
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; sort of
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; phoroniux
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15:46 TR News; Way to Go, Phoronix (How to Alienate the Audience) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/phoronix-microsoft-slant/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/21/phoronix-microsoft-slant/
15:46 TR Bot; Way to Go, Phoronix (How to Alienate the Audience) | Techrights
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15:50 TR News; Supercon https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/2022-hackaday-supercon-final-talks-announced/ | Source: Hackaday
15:50 TR Bot; Hackaday Supercon: Final Talks Announced | Hackaday
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16:04 TR News; Where I'm At gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-10-20
16:05 TR News; "Today my boss fired me. I'm relieved albeit extremely angry at him. I have a letter to send to the board about how he communicated with me that includes examples; I'll update how that goes perhaps in a new post." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1666302170
16:06 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/internet-connectivity-worldwide-impacted-by-severed-eu-subsea-cables/
16:06 TR News; Fusion vs the doomsday clock gemini://idiomdrottning.org/fusion
16:06 TR Bot; Internet connectivity worldwide impacted by severed fiber cables in France
16:09 TR News; iOS has back doors. Don't do SSH from platforms that have back doors. gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2021-07-21-ssh-clients-in-ios.gmi
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16:12 TR News; SpellBinding: HIYNSWL Wordo: SIXES gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-21.gmi
16:12 TR News; SpellBinding: HIYNSWL Wordo: SIXES gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-21.gmi
16:12 schestowitz; "For chatting, I also use Apple Facetime and iMessage because it is private enough.
16:12 schestowitz; " It's not. NSA PRISM. gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2020-07-28-privacy.gmi
16:12 AdmFubar; https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/10/21/0256202/new-jersey-legislators-aim-to-ban-most-in-car-subscriptions
16:12 TR Bot; New Jersey Legislators Aim To Ban Most In-Car Subscriptions - Slashdot
16:13 TR News; My privacy settings in iOS and Android gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-02-24-my-privacy-settings-in-ios-and-android.gmi those platforms are NOT compatible with privacy
16:13 TR News; How to manage a mailing list? gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-10-21-managing-mailing-list.gmi
16:13 AdmFubar; https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/10/20/2148215/ring-cameras-are-being-used-to-control-and-surveil-overworked-delivery-workers
16:13 TR Bot; Ring Cameras Are Being Used To Control and Surveil Overworked Delivery Workers - Slashdot
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16:15 AdmFubar; https://apple.slashdot.org/story/22/10/17/2146223/apple-bows-to-pressure-drops-plan-to-buy-chinese-memory-chips
16:15 TR Bot; Apple Bows To Pressure, Drops Plan To Buy Chinese Memory Chips - Slashdot
16:16 TR News; Semafor https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/20/semafor-launches-into-a-very-broken-us-media-claiming-to-have-found-something-new-but-have-they/ | Source: Techdirt
16:16 TR Bot; Joins A Very Broken US Media Industry Claiming To Have Found The Cure For Eroded Trust In News. But Have They Really? | Techdirt
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16:18 schestowitz[TR]; amazon ring
16:18 schestowitz[TR]; no worse than the idiots who deploy these
16:18 schestowitz[TR]; and evne pay for te 'privilege
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:20 TR News; "ber-powerful cyberdecks" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/2022-cyberdeck-contest-keezyboost40-is-a-cyberdeck-masquerading-as-a-keyboard/ | Source: Hackaday
16:20 TR Bot; Cyberdeck Contest: Keezyboost40 Is A Cyberdeck Masquerading As A Keyboard | Hackaday
16:21 TR News; CFPB https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/20/lawless-and-reckless-warren-condemns-fifth-circuit-attack-cfpb | Source: Common Dreams
16:21 TR Bot; 'Lawless and Reckless': Warren Condemns Fifth Circuit Attack on CFPB
16:24 psydruid; whenever I call this country "Nederland Microsoftland" on Dutch tech sites Microsoft slaves get triggered and downvote my comments into oblivion
16:33 schestowitz[TR]; statcounter shows nl is very microsoft-occupied
16:33 schestowitz[TR]; more than any large western european country
16:34 TR News; "My wife and I recently had the tremendous misfortune of needing to buy a car." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/20/so-called-gop-solutions-inflation-are-just-another-giveaway-rich-and-corporations | Source: Common Dreams
16:34 TR Bot; Opinion | So-Called GOP 'Solutions' to Inflation Are Just Another Giveaway to the Rich and Corporations | Peter Certo
16:34 MinceR; what does it show about orbanistan?
16:34 schestowitz[TR]; not so good either, but I cannot remember exactly
16:34 MinceR; "We can't stop here, this is MICROS~1 country!"
16:34 schestowitz[TR]; I said large
16:34 schestowitz[TR]; and western europe
16:34 schestowitz[TR]; hungary is former ussr
16:34 MinceR; yeah, i know
16:34 schestowitz[TR]; still suffering
16:34 MinceR; that's why i asked :>
16:35 schestowitz[TR]; it has historric significant
16:35 schestowitz[TR]; but it's not known for anything but orban anymore
16:35 schestowitz[TR]; and people who LEFT the place
16:35 schestowitz[TR]; *significance
16:35 schestowitz[TR]; "quick! name a hungarian company!"
16:35 schestowitz[TR]; "errmm... hmmm"
16:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/hungary/#monthly-202111-202203
16:37 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Hungary | Statcounter Global Stats
16:38 schestowitz[TR]; Windows holdinhg steady
16:38 schestowitz[TR]; at around 88%
16:38 schestowitz[TR]; in other countries it can be 60%-70%$
16:38 schestowitz[TR]; 73% in nl
16:38 schestowitz[TR]; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/netherlands/#monthly-202111-202210
16:38 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Netherlands | Statcounter Global Stats
16:39 schestowitz[TR]; ballmer has got hungary by the balls
16:39 schestowitz[TR]; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-202111-202210
16:39 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share India | Statcounter Global Stats
16:40 schestowitz[TR]; gnu/linux 3.2% https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/ukraine/#monthly-202111-202210
16:40 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Ukraine | Statcounter Global Stats
16:42 TR News; Decompiling https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/decompiling-software-to-fix-an-old-solar-inverter/ | Source: Hackaday
16:42 TR Bot; Software To Fix An Old Solar Inverter | Hackaday
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17:02 MinceR; (cat) https://www.deviantart.com/furlined/art/He-Has-A-Complaint-909934683
17:02 TR Bot; Has A Complaint by FurLined on DeviantArt
17:15 TR News; "were enabled by mainstream media" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/our-bubble-has-been-burst-can-other-possibilities-now-exist/ | Source: Counter Punch
17:15 TR Bot; Bubble Has Been Burst: Can Other Possibilities Now Exist? - CounterPunch.org
17:15 TR News; "What if Journalism Disappeared?" https://www.projectcensored.org/what-if-journalism-disappeared/ | Source: Project Censored
17:15 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/what-if-journalism-disappeared/ )
17:16 TR News; "If youve ever paged through the color samples at the hardware store trying to match a particular color" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/errf-22-building-a-library-of-filament-colors/ | Source: Hackaday
17:16 TR Bot; 22: Building A Library Of Filament Colors | Hackaday
17:16 TR News; "[William Dudley] picked up a Fluke 8840A bench multimeter at an auction" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/a-homebrew-ac-upgrade-for-the-fluke-8840a/ | Source: Hackaday
17:16 TR Bot; Homebrew AC Upgrade For The Fluke 8840A | Hackaday
17:17 TR News; (NEW): Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple System Information http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_System_Informat.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_System_Informat.gmi
17:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple System Information
17:17 TR News; (NEW): Stable kernel 6.0.3 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Stable_kernel_6_0_3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Stable_kernel_6_0_3.gmi
17:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Stable kernel 6.0.3
17:17 TR News; (NEW): KDE neon Rebased on Jammy http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/KDE_neon_Rebased_on_Jammy.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/KDE_neon_Rebased_on_Jammy.gmi
17:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines KDE neon Rebased on Jammy
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
17:25 TR News; "advertising on disinformation sites" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/20/report-shows-google-other-ad-networks-fund-and-profit-climate-disinformation-sites | Source: Common Dreams
17:25 TR Bot; Report Shows Google, Other Ad Networks Fund and Profit From Climate Disinformation Sites
17:25 TR News; "HP-41 arguably the best calculator ever made" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/21/hp-41c-the-forth-edition/ | Source: Hackaday
17:25 TR Bot; The Forth Edition | Hackaday
17:26 TR News; Accountable.U https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/20/judge-who-ruled-against-cfpb-took-thousands-wall-street-campaign-cash-watchdog | Source: Common Dreams
17:26 TR Bot; Judge Who Ruled Against CFPB Took Thousands in Wall Street Campaign Cash: Watchdog
17:27 TR News; Alex Jones https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/alex-jones-got-what-a-deserved-a-libertarian-perspective/ | Source: Counter Punch
17:27 TR Bot; Jones Got What a Deserved: a Libertarian Perspective - CounterPunch.org
17:28 TR News; "Fed officials are making a mockery of ethicsand Chair Powell is failing to overhaul a culture of corruption." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/20/not-normal-fed-president-spoke-private-wall-street-forum | Source: Common Dreams
17:28 TR Bot; 'This Is Not Normal': Fed President Spoke at Private Wall Street Forum
17:28 TR News; Longboard https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/unconventional-longboard-built-from-single-slice-of-tree/ | Source: Hackaday
17:28 TR Bot; Longboard Built From Single Slice Of Tree | Hackaday
17:32 TR News; Steam Just Got Better on Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/What_The_Steam_snap_is_evolving.shtml
17:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines What? The Steam snap is evolving!
17:35 TR News; Using Qt as shared system libraries in Android https://www.qt.io/blog/using-qt-as-shared-system-libraries-in-android
17:35 TR Bot; Using Qt as shared system libraries in Android
17:35 TR News; C/C++ Debugging Tools - KDAB https://www.kdab.com/c-cpp-debugging-tools/ Source: KDAB | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.kdab.com/c-cpp-debugging-tools/
17:35 TR Bot; Debugging Tools - KDAB
17:37 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
17:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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17:38 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnrHlYWcWgI
17:38 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LnrHlYWcWgI
17:38 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Arrogant worms - Don't go into politics - Invidious
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17:39 TR News; LinuxToday CHANGED the headline to become some promotional Microsoft BS that's surveillance and proprietary https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/ubuntu-22-10-fails-to-include-azure-ad-support-rescheduled-to-23-04/
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17:39 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.10 Fails to Include Azure AD Support: Rescheduled to 23.04
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17:43 TR News; Spamnil not promoting anti-Linux FUD group, "Techstrong Research". These people actively work against FOSS.
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17:48 TR News; Pfizer Refuses to Explain What It's Selling https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/21/pfizer-secrecy/
17:48 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/21/pfizer-secrecy/ )
17:49 TR News; Bubble Universes https://xkcd.com/2688/
17:49 TR Bot; Bubble Universes
17:52 TR News; #KeepItOn: 34 governments demand Iran ends internet restrictions https://www.accessnow.org/keepiton-governments-iran-internet-restrictions/
17:52 TR Bot; #KeepItOn: 34 governments demand Iran ends internet restrictions - Access Now
17:55 TR News; Effecting positive change in the Internet of Things | Pen Test Partners <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="Pen Test Partners" href="https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/effecting-positive-change-in-the-internet-of-things/">Read on</a>
17:55 TR Bot; Effecting positive change in the Internet of Things | Pen Test Partners
17:55 TR News; Cisco Releases Security Update for Cisco Identity Services Engine | CISA https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/21/cisco-releases-security-update-cisco-identity-services-engine Source: USCERT | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/21/cisco-releases-security-update-cisco-identity-services-engine
17:55 TR Bot; Cisco Releases Security Update for Cisco Identity Services Engine | CISA
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18:01 TR News; 36 months after COVID-19 breaskout and nearly 24 months after mass vaccination began we still have record numbers of deaths. Some nice products you got there... and profits.
18:02 TR News; (NEW): FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report Third Quarter 2022 | The FreeBSD Project http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/FreeBSD_Quarterly_Status_Report_Third_Quarter_2022_The_FreeBSD_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/FreeBSD_Quarterly_Status_Report_Third_Quarter_2022_The_FreeBSD_.gmi
18:02 TR Bot; Tux Machines FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report Third Quarter 2022 | The FreeBSD Project
18:03 TR News; OpenBSD 7.2 released (UPDATEDx2) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/OpenBSD_7_2_released.shtml
18:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines OpenBSD 7.2 released (UPDATEDx2)
18:04 TR News; Desperate for stories (because news is relatively slow), Mr. Larabel looks for action in the wrong places and opts for clickbait, probably for better engagement through entertainment http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/phoronix-microsoft-slant/
18:04 TR Bot; Way to Go, Phoronix (How to Alienate the Audience) | Techrights
18:04 TR News; "European court paper, 35 pages of questions, criticisms, demands, lack of transparency none answered" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/21/pfizer-secrecy/
18:07 TR News; Canonical releases Ubuntu Linux 22.10 Kinetic Kudu (UPDATEDx3) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Canonical_releases_Ubuntu_Linux_22_10_Kinetic_Kudu.shtml
18:07 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical releases Ubuntu Linux 22.10 Kinetic Kudu (UPDATEDx3)
18:08 TR News; PostgreSQL: New podcast Postgres FM https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/new-podcast-postgres-fm-2529/ Source: PostgreSQL | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.postgresql.org/about/news/new-podcast-postgres-fm-2529/
18:08 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: New podcast Postgres FM
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18:09 TR News; "While I often get to chat on camera with people in the free software space, usually those people devs or programmers or distro maintainers. But today I get a chance to talk to a theology professor who is also a huge advocate for free and open source software, especially in our schools and universities. Meet Dr. Corey Stephan..." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GqC3ViXikLk
18:09 TR Bot; Theology Professor and Free Software Advocate, Corey Stephan Ph.D. - Invidious
18:09 TR News; 55: Kommercializing Open Source - Podcasts - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/sudo-show/sudo-55/ Source: Tux Digital "Brandon and Neal have a conversation with Nate Graham about KDE and Plasma as a commercial platform"
18:10 TR Bot; Kommercializing Open Source - Podcasts - TuxDigital
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18:10 TR News; 71: Google Says No to Stadia and Yes to Gaming Chromebooks? - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-71/ Source: Tux Digital | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-71/
18:10 TR Bot; Google Says No to Stadia and Yes to Gaming Chromebooks? - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital
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18:11 TR News; "Crypto" fake-coin => junk(ed) hardware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X44gW2BoSpc
18:11 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=X44gW2BoSpc
18:11 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | What to KNOW about Cheap Graphics Cards on eBay - Invidious
18:12 TR News; "The latest episode of the Sudo Show with Brandon Johnson and Neal Gompa has an interview with me, on the subject of Kommercializing KDE. Its quite relevant to my goal of getting our software on the all the hardware we can (AKA World Domination) so give it a listen!" https://pointieststick.com/2022/10/21/interview-on-the-sudo-show/
18:12 TR Bot; Interview on the Sudo Show Adventures in Linux and KDE
18:12 TR News; "Alex gives Roon Labs whole home audio a try but discovers a critical design flaw while Chris checks out his new ODROID-H3+ and plans his next epic build." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/self-hosted/82/
18:12 TR Bot; Roon Ready Ruh-Roh | Jupiter Broadcasting
18:14 TR News; Downtime again (ICBM can't get it up): Fedora Copr RPM/DNF/YUM storage needs a major upgrade, we'll need to stop processing the build queue for about 20 hours, and do two short HTTP (2x5 minutes) outages (dnf update will have problems to update anything being hosted in Fedora Copr during this short period)." https://status.fedoraproject.org/2022-10-28-copr-storage-change.html
18:14 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://status.fedoraproject.org/2022-10-28-copr-storage-change.html )
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18:17 TR News; Adversarial ML Attack that Secretly Gives a Language Model a Point of View https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/10/adversarial-ml-attack-that-secretly-gives-a-language-model-a-point-of-view.html
18:17 TR Bot; ML Attack that Secretly Gives a Language Model a Point of View - Schneier on Security
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:20 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Free Software Advocate Corey Stephan, Postgres FM, TuxDigital Shows, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Videos_Free_Software_Advocate_Corey_Stephan_Postgres_FM_TuxDigi.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Videos_Free_Software_Advocate_Corey_Stephan_Postgres_FM_TuxDigi.gmi
18:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Free Software Advocate Corey Stephan, Postgres FM, TuxDigital Shows, and More
18:21 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22100236
18:21 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/jm9xn8otpzq91.png created on 2022-10-02 10:29:24.755435
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18:21 starstreak; Arch Linucks is no longer modern. Ubuntu 22.10 came out with Gnome 43.
18:21 MinceR; sucks to be an arch linucks user then
18:22 starstreak; :(
18:22 TR News; Stratis 3.3.0 Release Notes https://stratis-storage.github.io/stratis-release-notes-3-3-0/ ICBM Red Hat outsourcing to Microsoft proprietary prison is the hallmark of severe incompetence
18:22 TR Bot; Stratis Storage
18:22 MinceR; so how's your beard coming along, is it gray yet?
18:22 TR News; (NEW): Security: Microsoft Failures, Patches, Fakes, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Security_Microsoft_Failures_Patches_Fakes_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Security_Microsoft_Failures_Patches_Fakes_and_More.gmi
18:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security: Microsoft Failures, Patches, Fakes, and More
18:23 schestowitz[TR]; beardney
18:24 starstreak; are you talking to me?
18:24 starstreak; i dont have a beard
18:24 starstreak; i got my face laz0red
18:26 schestowitz[TR]; lizard :-_)
18:26 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/corporate_stuff_redhat.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/corporate_stuff_redhat.gmi
18:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat Leftovers
18:28 MinceR; https://unixgraybeard.com/
18:28 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unixgraybeard.com
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; not taking the piss, sorry :/
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; a year ago I asked someone about it
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; men have 3 options
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; grow a long beard and lert it be
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; shave often
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; do laz0r
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; there are pros and cons to each
18:30 MinceR; i took a 4th option
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; for me, shaving every 5 or so days means minimising the burden a bit
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; some people shave every day, which takes a ton of time
18:31 MinceR; i trim the stubble every few days
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; like women having to put at least soeme "basic" makup
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; that can take a lot longer
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; and cannot be done every [x] days
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; stubble trimming is also a good option
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; can be done with eelctric trimmer
18:32 MinceR; indeed
18:32 starstreak; <schestowitz[TR]> lizard :-_) <- :)
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; some of my stubble started to grey a little, maybe one in 1000
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; by 50 it'll probably be mostly grey
18:33 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware: Arduino, SparkFun, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Open_Hardware_Arduino_SparkFun_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Open_Hardware_Arduino_SparkFun_and_More.gmi
18:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware: Arduino, SparkFun, and More
18:34 schestowitz[TR]; Two Irishman walk into a barbershop, "I'll do the laz0r"
18:34 schestowitz[TR]; *men
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; Two Irishmen walk into a pub, "I'll be a lizard"
18:38 MinceR; :)
18:38 MinceR; liz4rd
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; linux-lz0rd
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; it's the same as Linux
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; but the man pages are not "mamn"
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; "man'
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; (I know man-pages are not part olf the kernel)
18:42 schestowitz[TR]; greopp is not grep either
18:42 schestowitz[TR]; it's greptoid
18:42 schestowitz[TR]; which is short for
18:42 schestowitz[TR]; global reptoid ;-)
18:43 MinceR; :>
18:44 MinceR; https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/4e/74/244e7408860952ff7c6ecbd393ec9e4e.jpg
18:44 geert; whats the oldsters cooking up today
18:44 geert; uh oh
18:45 geert; ;p
18:45 TR News; Why Is Linux Better Than Mac? The Comparison | Itsubuntu.com https://itsubuntu.com/why-is-linux-better-than-mac-the-comparison/ Source: It's Ubuntu (so shallow and weak, as usual)
18:45 TR Bot; Is Linux Better Than Mac? The Comparison | Itsubuntu.com
18:45 TR News; (NEW): PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.15 Released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/PostgreSQL_pgAdmin_4_v6_15_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/PostgreSQL_pgAdmin_4_v6_15_Released.gmi
18:45 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22100228
18:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.15 Released
18:45 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/wdyuvymctpq91.jpg created on 2022-10-02 07:58:37.058411
18:46 TR News; ArcoLinux 22.11.02 is out https://www.arcolinux.info/ Arch-based distro from Belgium
18:46 TR Bot; ArcoLinux | ArcoLinux
18:48 TR News; Enable AMD znver4 support and add instruction reservations https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf3b532b524ecacb3202ab2c8af419ffaaab7cff
18:48 TR Bot; Git - gcc.git/commitdiff
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18:49 TR News; GCC 13 work https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commit;h=4e7ec7dbbbef3b4a83da5967b5f25e3be90c2dc6 https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=825d0041380378d978dfed6ea313e2ff9d2fce4c https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=406675947d26ccbc2108e9689a2918bb36f61a63
18:49 TR Bot; Git - gcc.git/commit
18:49 TR Bot; Git - gcc.git/commitdiff
18:49 TR Bot; Git - gcc.git/commitdiff
18:51 TR News; The frustrating RouterOSWireGuard VPN peering bug https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/routeros-wireguard-peer-bug.html
18:51 TR Bot; The frustrating RouterOSWireGuard VPN peering bug | Ctrl blog
18:52 TR News; Project removes one line of code, adds one line of code, Phoronix takes screenshot of the change and writes 50 lines of text. 50 times longer than the actual code change! https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-TUN-Driver-1000x
18:52 TR Bot; TUN Network Driver May See A "1000x Speedup" With New, One-Line Patch - Phoronix
18:53 AdmFubar; https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/a-common-password-list-accounts-for-nearly-all-cyberattacks
18:53 TR Bot; List of Common Passwords Accounts for Nearly All Cyberattacks
18:54 TR News; 59 lines of actual code: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/19149/diffs#74af3d354d48b41e9b2ee47981865c2a06a5a92e ~40-line wall of text from Phoronix: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mesa-RUSTICL_ENABLE
18:54 TR Bot; rusticl: add RUSTICL_ENABLE to have a global way of enabling devices (!19149) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
18:54 TR Bot; Git Makes It Easier Activating Rusticl OpenCL Device Support - Phoronix
18:56 *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@ucqgs5q2r727i.irc) has joined #techrights
18:56 reptilian_thrills; this is how open source and mjg (and not only mjg) have an exchange:
18:56 TR News; Some patches are like 1000 lines of code, but Phoronix cannot makes sense of them, so instead we hear about someone removing one line of code, replacing it with another, then take at face value the unverified claims of performance improvements (likely due to profoundly buggy, defective prior implementation)
18:57 reptilian_thrills; and why its ultimately pointless (at least in terms of an exchange. i wont go into other reasons its not entirely pointless)
18:57 reptilian_thrills; first, you find common ground. theres nothing wrong with that-- everyone agrees on something
18:57 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: blame "Linux"
18:57 schestowitz[TR]; they get into "Linux"
18:57 reptilian_thrills; finding common ground isnt always about really finding common ground, its also an interrogation technique
18:57 schestowitz[TR]; with goodmorning 123
18:58 schestowitz[TR]; and install "backdoor"
18:58 reptilian_thrills; sometimes the good cop has more luck than the bad cop
18:58 reptilian_thrills; anyway
18:58 reptilian_thrills; what you do is, you have the same discussion. over. and over. and over.
18:58 schestowitz[TR]; hey, he is the one coming here
18:58 reptilian_thrills; it needs to be said, that just because this is being done, doesnt automatically mean the person doing it is WRONG in their position.
18:58 schestowitz[TR]; for a fight
18:58 schestowitz[TR]; and hawking over
18:59 schestowitz[TR]; looking for some ways to discredit us, mostly me
18:59 reptilian_thrills; yeah, because ariadne didnt point out how you trollhim until he shows up (my wording admittedly)
18:59 reptilian_thrills; well you discredit each other, painting it any other way is silly
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 98.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 105.48
18:59 reptilian_thrills; im not saying you dont have some REASON to discredit him
18:59 schestowitz[TR]; I usually respond to his blog
18:59 reptilian_thrills; if you do however, a rebuttal is predictable
18:59 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> I usually respond to his blog <- i mean...
18:59 schestowitz[TR]; he does not like the response
18:59 reptilian_thrills; however, what i was saying about open source
18:59 reptilian_thrills; is that it has the same conversation over and over
18:59 MinceR; mjg59_ has credit? how?
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; if you look back at Daily Links, we probably linked to 95% of his blog posts
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; I don't have to link blindly
19:00 reptilian_thrills; OFTEN based on some argument or even core principle of free software
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; anyone is allowed to express disgareement
19:00 reptilian_thrills; and heres what it does with those
19:00 reptilian_thrills; it just talks about the points that open source can agree with / work with / take advantage of
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; real-case scanrio
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; mjg says pluton is not a threat, at least not yet
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; I call BS on that
19:01 reptilian_thrills; then it refuses (often politely) to seriously consider the parts that are key to the fsf / free software position
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; and maybe even do a blog post or video
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19:01 reptilian_thrills; dismissing them as religous / ideology / old-fashioned / naive / irrelevant / unprofitable / stupid
19:01 reptilian_thrills; to be fair, the fsf cant be right about everything. no organisation is that good.
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; he is a money chaser
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; the economic arguments are weak
19:02 reptilian_thrills; so theyre going to get stuff wrong, and people are going to critique them
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; maybe wse need to change the economic incentives
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; there used to be more uni grants
19:02 reptilian_thrills; the problem with the open source argument is its dishonest
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; before the unis became dependent on "Grants" from corporations
19:02 reptilian_thrills; it never does anything more than reiterate whats already agreed on-- and dismiss anything it disagrees with or cant take advantage od
19:02 reptilian_thrills; of
19:02 reptilian_thrills; and it does it until free software is tired of arguing
19:02 reptilian_thrills; then it fucks off
19:03 reptilian_thrills; in a manufactured victory by default
19:03 reptilian_thrills; any honest person can see the problem with this
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; at the end it is mostly time-wasting
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; we don't think alike
19:03 reptilian_thrills; but not everyone is honest, and open source is corporate apologism
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; he and I are VERY different
19:03 reptilian_thrills; mjg isnt the only person in here that does this btw
19:03 reptilian_thrills; so im singling him out but only as a GREAT example of this
19:04 reptilian_thrills; ive watched open source in general do it for more than a decade
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; true
19:04 reptilian_thrills; its such a corporate way to REFRAME every key issue
19:04 reptilian_thrills; its not an exchange of ideas
19:04 reptilian_thrills; its just reframing. every time.
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; not really
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; there are subtle differences troo
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; example:
19:04 reptilian_thrills; but there are other reasons to participate in such a "pointless" (mostly pointless) exchange
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; Free software: we need to liberate the user
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; or make sure users who seek loiberty can have it, download it
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; Open Sores: we need more collaboration
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; those are not the same
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; military companies collaborate a lot
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; they make bombs
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; they exchaange parts from their assemblies
19:05 reptilian_thrills; collaboration is good. this a perfect example of something open source can reframe
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; like valves and sony cams
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; for the missile cruising
19:06 schestowitz[TR]; that's collaboration
19:06 Ariadne; to be clear, i'm not in the "open source" camp any more than i have to be for business reasons
19:06 reptilian_thrills; collaboration is good (yes) therefore we should have more of it (depends!) therefore we should move to github (holy fuck, NO!)
19:06 schestowitz[TR]; it might be Open Source
19:06 Ariadne; it's always about freedom to me
19:06 schestowitz[TR]; There migth even be Linux Foundation Weapons(TM)
19:06 schestowitz[TR]; LFW
19:06 schestowitz[TR]; but it would not leave us better off
19:06 Ariadne; incidentally, i am not thrilled about everyone wanting to put everything in the LF basket
19:06 reptilian_thrills; so the open source argument will focus on collaboration, but reframe the issue by dismissing any PROBLEMS with collaboration
19:06 Ariadne; GCC should not be under the auspices of the LF
19:07 schestowitz[TR]; LFX afaik is not even open source
19:07 schestowitz[TR]; they are selling 'collaboration packages'
19:07 schestowitz[TR]; and get paid with "memebrships
19:07 schestowitz[TR]; they exchange that for seats
19:07 reptilian_thrills; "ive got your 'colllaboration package' RIGHT HERE"
19:07 schestowitz[TR]; and farm bus reports from unpaid workers, if anyway
19:08 schestowitz[TR]; they then issue some puff pieces in media partners (paid) like The New Stack and ZDnet
19:08 schestowitz[TR]; LFW: how Raytheon saw the light and shared its innovations
19:08 schestowitz[TR]; like drones that suck in the organs when they detonate
19:08 reptilian_thrills; but reframe the issue by dismissing any PROBLEMS with collaboratio <- basically it just turns everything into a blank cheque for its own argument
19:08 Ariadne; i mean, it is nice for them to clean up the mess they create
19:08 schestowitz[TR]; (I don't know the science of how they do it but they do)
19:08 reptilian_thrills; while raising the cost of any counterargument to over 9000
19:09 schestowitz[TR]; I think it might be "vacuum bombs"
19:09 Ariadne; fwiw a lot of the same arguments you make are the same arguments the ethical source people make
19:09 schestowitz[TR]; afaik, gnu and fsf never emphasised that aspect
19:09 schestowitz[TR]; like transparency
19:09 Ariadne; (though i think licensing is not the answer here)
19:09 schestowitz[TR]; but sharing and keeping people hacking at it
19:09 schestowitz[TR]; Ariadne: right
19:10 schestowitz[TR]; but they want to arbitrarily enforce te ethics
19:10 schestowitz[TR]; based on uN 'satndards'
19:10 schestowitz[TR]; where you deal with very primitive (ardon the phrase)m countries
19:10 Ariadne; all of these folks are honestly wild
19:10 schestowitz[TR]; with gayness is punishable by death
19:10 Ariadne; there is some company called defense unicorns
19:10 Ariadne; started by some dude who "put kubernetes on an f-15"
19:11 Ariadne; (it was on a raspberry pi, i don't think that really counts)
19:11 schestowitz[TR]; f-15 is old :-)
19:11 schestowitz[TR]; did he get one off ebay?
19:11 Ariadne; it was one they didn't decommission yet i guess
19:11 Ariadne; they being DoD
19:11 schestowitz[TR]; f-15 was low-tech
19:12 schestowitz[TR]; maybe for the better
19:12 Ariadne; yeah, when i pressed somebody who worked there for details
19:12 Ariadne; they were like
19:12 Ariadne; oh
19:12 schestowitz[TR]; I think even missile guiding is done on its own
19:12 Ariadne; we put it on a raspberry pi
19:12 schestowitz[TR]; like heat-detection
19:12 Ariadne; which was wired into the power
19:12 schestowitz[TR]; embedded and not connected to the plane
19:12 Ariadne; i deal with "open source" people at the DoD a lot
19:12 Ariadne; i do not have high opinions of those people
19:13 schestowitz[TR]; btw, there is a new java plaform based on alpine
19:13 Ariadne; yeah i saw
19:13 Ariadne; these days i am mostly working on a GNU/Linux distribution built on some of the same tech as alpine
19:13 schestowitz[TR]; red hat still wants to get into automobiles
19:13 schestowitz[TR]; and other vehicles
19:14 schestowitz[TR]; but they evidently aren't in a stable shape atm
19:14 MinceR; that didn't stop MICROS~1
19:14 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft tried and failed
19:14 schestowitz[TR]; ford for example
19:14 schestowitz[TR]; sync
19:14 schestowitz[TR]; windows in cars is history
19:14 MinceR; they did manage to put their crap in various alleged cars
19:15 MinceR; including ford and bmw
19:15 schestowitz[TR]; now they just try to sell "clown:'
19:15 schestowitz[TR]; to companies like mercedes-benz
19:15 schestowitz[TR]; like, send us your data
19:15 schestowitz[TR]; but no windows in the cars
19:15 schestowitz[TR]; well, windows yes
19:15 schestowitz[TR]; the physcial ones
19:15 Ariadne; my previous car had ford sync
19:16 Ariadne; holy crap windows for automobiles is bad
19:16 Ariadne; my new car has alpine
19:16 Ariadne; idk how i feel about that
19:16 schestowitz[TR]; better bring a laptop to the car
19:16 schestowitz[TR]; and drive analogue
19:16 schestowitz[TR]; I did this in the 90s
19:17 schestowitz[TR]; korean car
19:17 MinceR; "analogue" has worse mileage and can actually be less reliable
19:17 MinceR; since you replace an ECU with a whole bunch of moving parts
19:17 Ariadne; MinceR: i think he just meant without a computerized head unit
19:17 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
19:17 schestowitz[TR]; even the keys fail a lot
19:17 schestowitz[TR]; like, no batteries
19:18 schestowitz[TR]; or bad signal
19:18 schestowitz[TR]; so you are away and stuck outside your own car
19:18 MinceR; maybe it could work with some mounting arm
19:18 MinceR; i tried a vent mount for my phone, it broke the vent
19:18 Ariadne; (the ECU is just some microcontroller usually. frequently it is even 8 or 16-bit)
19:18 MinceR; i tried several suction cup mounts, they all fell off
19:18 MinceR; i tried a glue mount, that worked but was in an awkward place at an awkward angle
19:19 MinceR; android auto is a lot more comfortable in my current car
19:19 Ariadne; pretty much all of these interfaces are garbage
19:19 schestowitz[TR]; new: https://www.wired.com/story/high-tech-cars-killing-the-traditional-auto-repair-shop/
19:19 TR Bot; Cars Are Killing the Auto Repair Shop | WIRED
19:19 schestowitz[TR]; Proprietary
19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; it's a bit lkike secure boot
19:20 Ariadne; i mean, in fairness, wired published an article where i compared contraband in typoed NPM packages to teddybears filled with baggies of cocaine
19:20 Ariadne; sooooo
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; the engine is fine
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; you have gas
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; ignition fine
19:20 MinceR; :)
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; but some computer system standas on the wayt
19:20 reptilian_thrills; the balance has tipped slightly in favour of reason
19:20 reptilian_thrills; Matthew Garrett @mjg59 9h
19:20 reptilian_thrills; Question: the Free Software Song says "We'll kick out those dirty licenses". Is this a rejection of licenses that constrain user freedom, or is a rejection of software being covered by copyright in the first place?
19:20 reptilian_thrills; 52% Evil licenses are bad
19:20 reptilian_thrills; 48% All licenses are bad
19:20 reptilian_thrills; 211 votes 14 hours
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; so you are lolcked out ofi a perfectly functioning PC
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; because something says "no,no! microsoft NO APPROVE !!"
19:21 MinceR; as long as the computer systems are simple enough and they were created by people who knew what they were doing, it isn't that bad
19:21 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot-meme/
19:21 TR Bot; [Meme] It Was Only a Matter of Time All Along | Techrights
19:21 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot/
19:21 TR Bot; Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing Now? | Techrights
19:22 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: drive the or-bahn
19:22 schestowitz[TR]; or drive over
19:22 schestowitz[TR]; either way
19:22 MinceR; lol
19:22 MinceR; the tires would be smeared with shit
19:23 reptilian_thrills; 48% All licenses are bad <- how does he manage to reframe everything so it supports his opinion?
19:23 reptilian_thrills; other than LOADS of media training
19:23 schestowitz[TR]; so his fans will come infest it like flies
19:24 schestowitz[TR]; they love their shit
19:24 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: loaded queries
19:24 reptilian_thrills; i supposed reasing bernays and placing winning an argument over all else could also do it
19:24 schestowitz[TR]; same for test units
19:24 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> reptilian_thrills: loaded queries <- absolutely
19:24 schestowitz[TR]; good tests would fail easily
19:25 reptilian_thrills; yeah the former white supremacist who lobbied for bush with microsoft money was great at loaded queries
19:25 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
19:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
19:25 reptilian_thrills; and selecting focus groups to manufacture consent
19:25 reptilian_thrills; "former"
19:25 reptilian_thrills; i mean he was in the klan i think
19:25 reptilian_thrills; but im not 100% sure
19:26 reptilian_thrills; microsoft: we dont bribe presidents directly
19:26 schestowitz[TR]; this month pfizer admitted that it never tested whether its products stopped the contraction and spread of the disease
19:26 reptilian_thrills; also microsoft: hasnt been bothered by the doj since the 2000 election
19:26 schestowitz[TR]; the only thing they checked for is how rapidly it escalated
19:26 schestowitz[TR]; and they did that privately and secretly
19:26 schestowitz[TR]; that's poor unit testing
19:26 schestowitz[TR]; (in another domain)
19:26 reptilian_thrills; tahts also reframing
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19:28 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/meta-grudgingly-agrees-to-sell-giphy-after-admitting-defeat-in-uk-battle/
19:28 TR Bot; Meta grudgingly agrees to sell Giphy after admitting defeat in UK battle | Ars Technica
19:29 schestowitz[TR]; testing software
19:29 schestowitz[TR]; and testinf frugs
19:29 schestowitz[TR]; when you ant first to market
19:29 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft prematurely shipped many thinss
19:29 schestowitz[TR]; even with thousands of known bus
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; just to meet some release dats target
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; being fast to market where there is no gov supervision is insane
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; *first
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; see dieselgate
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; they used proprietary sofwtare to fake their cheating
19:31 schestowitz[TR]; later on people lose confidence in cars
19:31 schestowitz[TR]; with proprietary steering systems
19:32 schestowitz[TR]; that can be remotely hijacked
19:32 schestowitz[TR]; and lose confidence in modern medicine
19:32 schestowitz[TR]; knowing there are no proprier medical trials
19:32 schestowitz[TR]; the companies just do whatever the ehll they want
19:32 schestowitz[TR]; and pass the cost/risk to us
19:34 schestowitz[TR]; 25% more deaths this year: https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/18/cdc-deaths-by-age-groups/
19:34 TR Bot; Blog Archive CDC Data: Mortality Rates in the United States by Age Groups (2017-2020)
19:34 schestowitz[TR]; than pre-covid
19:34 schestowitz[TR]; president of the united states: pandemic is over
19:34 schestowitz[TR]; ush 2:
19:34 schestowitz[TR]; mission accomplished
19:34 schestowitz[TR]; trump:
19:34 schestowitz[TR]; stop the steal
19:35 schestowitz[TR]; clinton:
19:35 schestowitz[TR]; i did not have sex with that woman
19:35 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
19:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
19:38 TR News; Links 21/10/2022: Wallpaper Contest for Xfce 4.18 and Release of Linux 6.0.3 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/linux-6-0-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/21/linux-6-0-3/
19:38 TR Bot; Links 21/10/2022: Wallpaper Contest for Xfce 4.18 and Release of Linux 6.0.3 | Techrights
19:41 TR News; Marginalia's Index Reaches 100,000,000 Documents gemini://marginalia.nu/log/64-hundred-million.gmi
19:42 TR News; Replacing VirtualBox with QEMU gemini://regrow.earth/blog/2022-10-21_qemu_virtualbox.gmi
19:43 TR News; Forth double numbers are bass akwards gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-10-21.fourth.doubles.gmi
19:44 TR News; Powering the Raspberry PI Pico from External Batteries https://peppe8o.com/powering-the-raspberry-pi-pico-from-external-batteries/ Source: peppe8o | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peppe8o.com/powering-the-raspberry-pi-pico-from-external-batteries/
19:44 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://peppe8o.com/powering-the-raspberry-pi-pico-from-external-batteries/ )
19:45 TR News; Could install a 'proper' GNU/Linux distro on it. Many have LibreOffice preinstalled. https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-libre-office-on-a-chromebook/
19:45 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-libre-office-on-a-chromebook/ )
19:45 TR News; How to Install Metasploit Framework on Ubuntu Linux - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-metasploit-framework-ubuntu-linux/ Source: Make Tech Easier | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.maketecheasier.com/install-metasploit-framework-ubuntu-linux/
19:45 TR Bot; How to Install Metasploit Framework on Ubuntu Linux - Make Tech Easier
19:45 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/256271
19:45 TR Bot; Russian billionaire who bought cement giant Holcim is a deepfake, Proekt reports
19:46 TR News; Video:#HowTo Generate ed25519 key https://www.unixtutorial.org/generating-ed25519-ssh-key-video/ Source: unixtutorial | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.unixtutorial.org/generating-ed25519-ssh-key-video/
19:46 TR Bot; Video: How To Generate ed25519 key
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: fakes spread fast in social control media
19:47 AdmFubar; https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-computer-scientist-who-boosts-privacy-with-entropy-20221018/
19:47 TR Bot; Quanta Magazine
19:48 MinceR; False News Travel Fast
19:48 MinceR; (Sonata Arctica)
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; because it is optimised for spreading
19:48 XRevan86; schestowitz: Not what happened. Journalists tried to contact a mysterious sudden billionaire, and a deepfake from a still photograph answered the call.
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; you can make up anything you want
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; might as well optimise the lie
19:49 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: like "yes men"
19:49 schestowitz[TR]; they need to check who they speak to
19:49 schestowitz[TR]; some image or voice is not enough
19:49 schestowitz[TR]; official email can help
19:49 schestowitz[TR]; like sending back and forth to a domain controlled by the company
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; it's not a deepfake problem
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; it's a social engineering issue
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(security)#Vishing
19:50 TR Bot; Social engineering (security) - Wikipedia
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19:51 MinceR; (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/NFz0RTH
19:51 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/NFz0RTH )
19:52 TR News; This is just a privilege escalation issue https://www.securityweek.com/cisa-tells-organizations-patch-linux-kernel-vulnerability-exploited-malware
19:52 TR Bot; Tells Organizations to Patch Linux Kernel Vulnerability Exploited by Malware | SecurityWeek.Com
19:52 TR News; Predictable GUIDs https://hackaday.com/2022/10/21/this-week-in-security-linux-wifi-fortinet-text4shell-and-predictable-guids/
19:53 TR Bot; Week In Security: Linux WiFi, Fortinet, Text4Shell, And Predictable GUIDs | Hackaday
19:53 TR News; Got fully patched immediately https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4058305/linux-kernel-receives-patches-wi-vulnerabilities
19:53 TR Bot; Linux kernel receives patches for serious Wi-Fi vulnerabilities
19:55 TR News; Michael rewrites his boss's press releases (AMD) https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMDVLK-2022.Q4.1
19:55 TR Bot; 2022.Q4.1 Brings More Vulkan Performance Tuning - Phoronix
19:55 TR News; digiKam Recipes 2022.10.21 released https://digikam.org/news/2022-10-21_digikam_recipes_22.10.21_released/
19:55 TR Bot; digiKam - digiKam Recipes 2022.10.21 released
19:57 TR News; The NeuroFedora Blog: Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 24 October 1300 UTC https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2022/10/21/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-24-october-1300-utc.html
19:57 TR Bot; Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 24 October 1300 UTC | NeuroFedora: Blog
19:57 TR News; Fedora Community Blog: CPE Weekly Update Week 42 2022 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-42-2022/
19:57 TR Bot; CPE Weekly Update - Week 42 2022 Fedora Community Blog
19:58 TR News; Fedora Community Blog: Fridays Fedora Facts: 2022-42 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-42/
19:58 TR Bot; Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-42 Fedora Community Blog
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19:58 TR News; Red Hat: "This site requires JavaScript to be enabled to function correctly, please enable it." LOL, NO. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&f1=blocked&list_id=11983255&o1=substring&query_format=advanced&v1=F38FTBFS
19:58 TR Bot; Bug List
19:59 TR News; Why should a bug tracking tool need ANY JS? It doesn't. TRAC and MANTIS do fine with none. They're also fast.
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20:00 XRevan86; schestowitz: No one claimed that it were, it's amusing that they tried though.
20:01 TR News; Dominique Leuenberger: openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/42 https://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2022/10/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2022-42/
20:01 TR Bot; openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/42 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*)
20:01 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: lots of fakes now in the war
20:01 XRevan86; It's a story about corruption in Russia (and raid take-over) above all else.
20:02 schestowitz[TR]; it's dangerous when they entrap you
20:02 schestowitz[TR]; to discredit all your OTHER reporting
20:02 XRevan86; What?
20:03 TR News; Fake 'economics' and notorious terms to sell complexity, even where it is neither needed nor desirable https://containerjournal.com/features/managing-container-and-kubernetes-tco/
20:03 TR Bot; Managing Container and Kubernetes TCO - Container Journal
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: common technioque
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; x reports y scandsals about z
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; z sends fake stories to x
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; x reports fake story
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; z claims y scandals are all discrfedited
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; and that x is a liar
20:04 XRevan86; Yes, I am aware of this technique, I saw it used against some Ukrainian news websites like UNIAN.
20:05 schestowitz[TR]; people tried that on techrights like 15 years ago
20:05 schestowitz[TR]; sent fake stories
20:05 schestowitz[TR]; and then aited for them to get published
20:05 TR News; New Liaison role for the Native Language Communities - The Document Foundation Blog https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/10/21/new-liaison-role-for-the-native-language-communities/ Source: Document Foundation | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/10/21/new-liaison-role-for-the-native-language-communities/
20:05 TR Bot; New Liaison role for the Native Language Communities - The Document Foundation Blog
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; one microsofter sent me a plausible fake stories
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; wheich I later published
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; and then he attacked me for it in USENET
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; saying he had sent the fake story
20:06 XRevan86; Specifically, "War on Fakes", the Kremlin "debunk" Telegram channel, likes this strategy.
20:07 schestowitz[TR]; stings that mussy the water or poison the well
20:07 schestowitz[TR]; there are also sniffing operations
20:07 schestowitz[TR]; where they try to figure out who the sources are
20:07 schestowitz[TR]; by pretending to be someone else
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; then asking questions
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; putin=kgb
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; he's no joker
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; if simple interrogation tactics don't yield results, they start physical torture
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; and they have all the equipment
20:09 TR News; Stable Diffusion is a really big deal https://simonwillison.net/2022/Aug/29/stable-diffusion/#ai-vegan
20:09 TR Bot; Stable Diffusion is a really big deal
20:10 XRevan86; schestowitz: But I still don't understand the connection to the proekt.media investigation where somebody used a neural-network-animated picture of a guy ("deepfake") in a video call.
20:10 TR News; There is also a lawsuit coming against the man behind it, Alex Graveley https://githubcopilotinvestigation.com/
20:10 TR Bot; GitHub Copilot investigation Joseph Saveri Law Firm& Matthew Butterick
20:10 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: fooling the media
20:10 schestowitz[TR]; tricked/maniipulated to publish fake stories
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20:11 TR News; This is a war on privacy waged by Gulag and its buddies in Mozille, Clownflare etc. https://adguard.com/en/blog/easylist-filter-problem-help.html
20:11 TR Bot; EasyList is in trouble and so are many ad blockers
20:12 TR News; Clownflare deserves a global boycott
20:13 TR News; Clownflare is a bunch of oversensitive, thin-skinned kids ("workers") who would block anyone who dares tell them simple facts about Clownflare and why Clownflare is evil
20:13 TR News; Clownflare probably brainwashed its kids ("workers") into thinking they're a force for good on the WWW. They are the EXACT OPPOSITE.
20:14 TR News; "Unfortunately, ClownFlare does not allow non-enterprise users use that much traffic, and now all requests to the EasyList file are getting throttled." https://adguard.com/en/blog/easylist-filter-problem-help.html
20:15 TR News; ClownFlare is STILL losing money. Wait till they start demanding MONEY from everyone... to basically destroy the WWW... for a FEE!
20:16 TR News; Putting Clownflare in front of your WWW is a crime against the users. Removing it is an act of solidarity. Very few sites need a CDN; many need a redesign/overhaul.
20:17 TR News; Clown computing should be universally abandoned. It was promoted by spies. There's "no free lunch". https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47e0
20:17 TR Bot; Why we're leaving the cloud
20:17 TR News; Kevin Ottens (KDE): "Hear! Hear! No, moving your infrastructure to managed services doesnt make sense in all cases. You need to be in the right place in term of complexity and traffic to really benefit from it. Its less common than youd think due to the marketing pressure."
20:18 TR News; Feather Simply beautiful open source icons https://feathericons.com/
20:18 TR Bot; Feather Simply beautiful open source icons
20:19 AdmFubar; https://www.maketecheasier.com/resample-hi-res-flac-linux/
20:19 TR Bot; How to Resample Hi-Res FLAC in Linux - Make Tech Easier
20:19 TR News; A Real World React to htmx Port https://htmx.org/essays/a-real-world-react-to-htmx-port/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//htmx.org/essays/a-real-world-react-to-htmx-port/
20:19 TR Bot; A Real World React -> htmx Port
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:20 TR News; samgeo.codes https://samgeo.codes/blog/python-types/ Source: python | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//samgeo.codes/blog/python-types/
20:20 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-samgeo.codes
20:21 TR News; RAII: Compile-Time Memory Management in C++ and Rust :: The Coded Message https://www.thecodedmessage.com/posts/raii/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.thecodedmessage.com/posts/raii/
20:21 TR Bot; RAII: Compile-Time Memory Management in C++ and Rust :: The Coded Message
20:21 TR News; "digital product industry quite well the more specific terminology, creeping featurism" https://tdarb.org/blog/avoid-featurism.html
20:21 TR Bot; / Avoiding Featurism
20:22 TR News; "When you use one programming language daily in your job as a Software Engineer, it's easy to fall into the trap of that language bubble. I want to show you how stepping outside your comfort zone and learning new languages and paradigms helped me grow as a Software Engineer." https://cichocinski.dev/blog/trying-new-programming-languages-helped-grow-software-engineer
20:22 TR Bot; How Trying New Programming Languages Helped Me Grow as a Software Engineer
20:23 TR News; "Good software architecture is very context-specific, analyzing trade-offs that resolve differently across a wide range of environments." https://martinfowler.com/bliki/ConwaysLaw.html
20:23 TR Bot; ConwaysLaw
20:25 TR News; "look today at the coastline where most of the trees were planted. There is no sign of the mangroves that, after a decade of growth, should be close to maturity." https://e360.yale.edu/features/phantom-forests-tree-planting-climate-change
20:25 TR Bot; Phantom Forests: Why Ambitious Tree Planting Projects Are Failing - Yale E360
20:28 DaemonFC; Windows 95 runs really fast, even as an Electron "App".
20:28 DaemonFC; If you could put this on a modern computer and throw in a Web browser that works and some modern graphics drivers and call it a day, I'd be happy with it.
20:29 DaemonFC; I mean, maybe a few other nice things, but it really shows how bloated Windows has become, how you trip over yourself to get anything at all done in Windows today because most of the GUI is just crap and nonsense and bits an pieces of like 10 different things.
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; just use openbox
20:31 DaemonFC; If they did A/B tests with the Windows NT4/95 Explorer ("Chicago") vs. the Windows 11 one, I'm pretty sure most of the test subjects would choose the "Chicago" shell.
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; you don't need windows for some launchers and minesweeper
20:31 DaemonFC; XScreenSaver just got updated, schestowitz[TR]
20:31 DaemonFC; FINALLY!
20:32 DaemonFC; To include......
20:32 schestowitz[TR]; ok
20:32 DaemonFC; A 3D MAZE CLONE!
20:32 schestowitz[TR]; does jeremy still write about pandemic?
20:32 DaemonFC; That was one of my favorite things about Windows 95/98, was the Maze screensaver. It was interesting for the time.
20:33 MinceR; lol
20:33 DaemonFC; Every time the screen goes to that, it uses procedural generation to create a map and then has the system "solve" it using the right-handed method.
20:33 schestowitz[TR]; we still have screensavers
20:33 schestowitz[TR]; but the screens of today do not need them
20:33 schestowitz[TR]; it's an old fad
20:34 DaemonFC; It eventually solves it because the procedural generation rules lay out that the right-handed method has to be able to solve any map that it comes up with.
20:37 TR News; "Ubuntu 22.10 is here, and with it comes the full GNOME 43 experience. In this video, the October 2022 release of Ubuntu is reviewed, which will include some of the new features, and final thoughts as well." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbpO_HoiEAo
20:37 TR Bot; https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=nbpO_HoiEAo
20:37 TR Bot; not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=nbpO_HoiEAo )
20:37 AdmFubar; Sure the "lose" it ... https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/10/21/companies-most-likely-to-lose-your-data/
20:37 DaemonFC; Most mazes are solvable with the right-handed method as long as the person who designed it wasn't trying to make it difficult to solve.
20:37 TR Bot; The companies most likely to lose your data - Help Net Security
20:37 DaemonFC; https://www.inverse.com/article/21386-corn-maze-lost-wall-follower
20:37 TR Bot; Why the 'Right-Hand' Rule Won't Work In Todays Corn Mazes
20:37 DaemonFC; But you can't count on it to work.
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: yes, weird choice os words
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; there ae companies I WANT to LOSE my data
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; or data about me
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; data loss can be good
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; if it's not yours
20:38 TR News; Archcraft 2022.09.16 Quick overview #linux #archcraft - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=plt-bn7AN0I | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/plt-bn7AN0I
20:38 TR Bot; Archcraft 2022.09.16 Quick overview #linux #archcraft - Invidious
20:39 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: they means lose contorl of
20:39 schestowitz[TR]; meant, control
20:39 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22100227
20:39 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/e03y1q6qezq91.jpg created on 2022-10-02 07:47:30.934266
20:41 TR News; #StopUsingWindows https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/21/stopransomware-daixin-team see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
20:41 TR Bot; #StopRansomware: Daixin Team | CISA
20:41 TR Bot; Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights
20:42 TR News; Sean Michael Kerner keeps on writing HEY HI nonsense puff pieces. This evening twice: https://venturebeat.com/ai/ibm-announces-system-on-chip-ai-hardware/ https://venturebeat.com/ai/adept-ai-labs-discusses-new-foundation-model-at-oracle-cloudworld/
20:42 TR Bot; announces system-on-chip AI hardware | VentureBeat
20:42 TR Bot; AI Labs discusses new foundation model at Oracle CloudWorld | VentureBeat
20:43 AdmFubar; https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/17-year-old-student-made-a-robot-to-help-his-mother-with-household-chores-11493651.html
20:43 TR Bot; 17-YO Kerala boy builds a robot for Rs 10,000 to help his struggling mother with household chores- Technology News, Firstpost
20:44 TR News; OpenBSD 7.2: The other other FOSS xNix released with Apple M2 support https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/OpenBSD_7_2_released.shtml
20:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines OpenBSD 7.2 released (UPDATEDx3)
20:45 AdmFubar; https://epic.org/the-rise-of-chinese-surveillance-technology-in-africa-part-6-of-6/
20:45 TR Bot; The Rise of Chinese Surveillance Technology in Africa (Part 6 of 6) EPIC Electronic Privacy Information Center
20:45 DaemonFC; foobar2000 finally has a 2.0 Beta branch.
20:45 DaemonFC; It's extremely unstable, but it's available as a 64-bit application now.
20:46 DaemonFC; Hmm, looks like I'm on Beta 10 and Beta 12 is out.
20:46 TR News; Kara Sherrer in ZDNet's sister site is now spamming the diploma mills of Microsoft shills, Pluralsight http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/
20:46 TR Bot; TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights
20:47 DaemonFC; "Please ignore Microsoft SmartScreen warnings." LOL
20:47 DaemonFC; Well, Wine doesn't pull that shit, so yeah. :)
20:48 TR News; FreeBSD 12.4-BETA1 now out https://forums.freebsd.org/
20:48 TR Bot; The FreeBSD Forums
20:49 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Ubuntu 22.10 and Archcraft 2022.09.16 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Videos_Ubuntu_22_10_and_Archcraft_2022_09_16.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Videos_Ubuntu_22_10_and_Archcraft_2022_09_16.gmi
20:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Ubuntu 22.10 and Archcraft 2022.09.16
20:49 DaemonFC; Still extremely unstable (in Wine anyway).
20:49 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/us-court-rules-once-again-that-ai-software-cant-hold-a-patent/
20:49 TR Bot; US court rules, once again, that AI software cant be listed as inventor on a patent | Ars Technica
20:50 DaemonFC; If "AI" can't be an inventor then when copyright enforcement begins over something that ShitHub CoPilot told you to shove into your program, you can't blame CoPilot for it in court.
20:51 DaemonFC; The person suing you will point to the court precedent that "AI" can't create anything and you are responsible for the infringement.
20:51 TR News; THat's a big patch from dodgy Intel. Will anyone actually audit the code? HHmmmmmm.... naaaa. Wait till they use Rust... and few kernel hackers will even be able to ready it. https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20221020133525.1810728-1-maciej.kwapulinski@intel.com/
20:51 TR Bot; [PATCH v4 00/10] Driver of Intel(R) Gaussian & Neural Accelerator - Kwapulinski, Maciej
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: it's not even HEY HI
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; it doesn't make code
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; it just spews out large portions
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; based on fuzzy similarities
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; it's plgiarism
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; they remove the attriobutioon
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; to amek you 'feel' less guuilty
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; it was made by a serial plgiarist
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; Alex graveley
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; the serial srangler
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; strtangles women
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; sells drugs;
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; like to everyone
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; steals code and puts his own name on it
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; basically a crook and a violent criminal
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; he wrote me an email last night
20:53 DaemonFC; Was it like the letters Matthew Garret sent?
20:53 DaemonFC; *Garrett
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; No
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; Ikt's factual
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; only a spiled brat would get a lawyer
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; but he sent his lawyer to me before
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; except without threats only lies
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; funnily enough the finace of mjg said he had been raped bya friend of graveley
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; so this could get interesting
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; and nat friedman shows up buttnaked at parties
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; mjg made an excuse for him this morning
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; saying indecent exposure is no rape
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, that makes it ok then
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; nat also made rape jokes
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; and he is listed as corpoprate vice president at micreosoft!
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; man who gets naked at parties
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; or shows up naked in them
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; and makes rape jokes
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; nice
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; but wait, those are stories for next year
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; I'm spoil,ing the surprises
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/10/16/nat-friedman-theauthenticco/
20:56 TR Bot; Microsoft AstroTurfing: GitHubs First Puppet CEO May Be Violating Wikipedia Rules With Reputation Laundering by Proxy (Hiding the Serial Strangler From Microsoft/GitHub) | Techrights
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/10/07/nat-friedman-wikipedia-spam/
20:56 TR Bot; Nat Friedman Seems to Be Employing a PR Agency to Turn a Wikipedia Page About Him Into Hagiography and Hide His Strong Links to the Serial Strangler Alex Graveley | Techrights
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; to whet the appetite
20:56 DaemonFC; I figure that mjg59_ would be a rape apologist too.
20:56 DaemonFC; Since he projects on that as well as being a transphobe.
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; that was 20 yesars ago!!
20:57 DaemonFC; It's surprising that the alleged rape is is own "partner" though.
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; "I was only 25!!!"
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; "I was young and innocent.. with a phd"
20:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Lots of "educated" people are bigots, you know.
20:58 TR News; Ubuntu 22.10 "Kinetic Kudu" Released! GNOME 43, GTK4 and MORE! (NEXT-GEN) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=T3nxx40G7Ko | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/T3nxx40G7Ko
20:58 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.10 "Kinetic Kudu" Released! GNOME 43, GTK4 and MORE! (NEXT-GEN) - Invidious
20:58 DaemonFC; My dad has three college degrees, and it didn't improve the fact that he hates all kinds of people.
20:58 DaemonFC; If anything, he's only gotten worse with age.
20:59 DaemonFC; Nobody can punish him for saying anything now because he's old and fat on a pension.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 163.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 115.10
21:00 schestowitz[TR]; "old and fat on a pension"
21:00 schestowitz[TR]; Sounds like he likes to eat
21:00 schestowitz[TR]; and can still afford food
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21:00 DaemonFC; Yeah, the sky has always been the limit on groceries.
21:01 schestowitz[TR]; studied, married an antivaxxer who spat on his kid
21:01 schestowitz[TR]; nobody's perfect ;-)
21:01 DaemonFC; Mom: "He made me walk around in the one pair of shoes I had, gluing the heels back together, but I could hand him a grocery list with anything I wanted on it."
21:01 DaemonFC; Well, she wasn't wrong about that.
21:01 schestowitz[TR]; sounds prsctical
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21:01 schestowitz[TR]; show fixing
21:02 schestowitz[TR]; if the heel did not fall off
21:02 schestowitz[TR]; that would be dangerous
21:02 DaemonFC; He wouldn't allow me to have surgery that I needed on my foot.
21:02 schestowitz[TR]; *show fixing
21:02 DaemonFC; Mom had to sneak me to the doctor.
21:02 DaemonFC; When the co-pay came (and he had good insurance at RCA) he says "FOUR HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS! I WOULD HAVE HAULED HIM INTO THE BATHROOM AND CUT THAT THING OFF HIS FOOT MYSELF!".
21:03 DaemonFC; I can still remember exactly how he said it too.
21:03 DaemonFC; And it's not like we were broke. His bank account balance, in a checking account, was always at least $50,000-60,000, and the rest tied up in investments.
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21:04 DaemonFC; And meanwhile I haven't had a haircut in so long I look like Cousin It and I'm cutting it out from in front of my eyes in the bathroom, and hobbling around needing foot surgery.
21:04 DaemonFC; While he has $12,000 of porn.
21:05 DaemonFC; He wasn't even going to have to pay anything to let me have my wisdom teeth out, except the ride to the dentist, and he tried to stall so the insurance would expire.
21:05 DaemonFC; He's just mean, and it's not even about the money. Neglectful of his children, and it was bad even before they knew anything about me being gay, and they just totally gave up after that.
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21:07 DaemonFC; The state doesn't get involved unless something is going on like you're molesting your kids, not feeding them, putting out cigarettes on them, not letting them go to school.... It never got THAT bad, but they did the bare minimum not to get in any legal trouble and then washed their hands of me.
21:08 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/2210027
21:08 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/vna00r54j0r91.jpg created on 2022-10-02 01:17:07.176486
21:08 DaemonFC; I realize there's a lot of people out there who had even worse parents than me, so what right do I have to complain? At least I'm alive and not traumatized by child sexual abuse or something. But my parents were basically the worst they could be without getting into trouble with the law.
21:09 schestowitz[TR]; sounds like techuser
21:09 DaemonFC; If the State of Indiana didn't require school vaccinations I wouldn't have even been immunized against the Measles.
21:09 techuser; why do people even have kids?
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21:09 TR News; TSDgeos' blog: KDE Gear 22.12 release schedule finalized https://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2022/10/kde-gear-2212-release-schedule-finalized.html Source: Albert Astals Cid | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2022/10/kde-gear-2212-release-schedule-finalized.html
21:10 TR Bot; TSDgeos' blog: KDE Gear 22.12 release schedule finalized
21:10 DaemonFC; So they can realize they didn't actually want to do that after they've had them and kind of mumble their way through it like hymns at church.
21:10 techuser; too stupid to use contraception if they want to have sex? Having kids because others do?
21:10 TR News; SystemRescue 9.05 is out http://www.system-rescue.org/
21:10 TR Bot; SystemRescue - System Rescue Homepage
21:10 DaemonFC; According to mom, once my dad found out that my brother would be a "difficult pregnancy", he offered to drive her to the abortion clinic.
21:11 DaemonFC; He was the Vice President of the Grant County Right to Life at the time.
21:11 MinceR; so that they have something to boss around
21:11 MinceR; and someone that shares in their suffering that follows from being stuck in a human body among billions of humans
21:11 DaemonFC; He takes absolutely no responsibility for anything he does and if he finds out something is going to require effort, he burns it and walks away.
21:12 DaemonFC; Or tries to.
21:12 DaemonFC; In order to harass her after she got a divorce, he was trying to cancel the health insurance on my brother that wasn't even costing him anything, and the only reason he didn't is the judge threatened to put him in jail for contempt if he did that.
21:13 DaemonFC; On Facebook, he's defending Herschel Walker and calling him a "guy with a troubled past who has learned from his mistakes".
21:13 DaemonFC; :)
21:13 DaemonFC; Herschel also wrote out a $700 check and told someone to get an abortion.
21:14 DaemonFC; They'd probably get along famously together.
21:14 MinceR; also because cultists tell them it's so great to have kids
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21:14 MinceR; (and you'd better help the cult to outbreed the other cults, even if it kills us all)
21:15 DaemonFC; Conservatives seem to actually want abortion to be around. They just don't want it in their state. Why? They can afford to hop in the car and go to Illinois and not talk about it ever again while it punishes blacks for having sex.
21:15 DaemonFC; They're too stupid to realize that in 20 years, their state will be a crime-ridden cesspit that makes 2022 look like the land of milk and honey if they get what they want.
21:16 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
21:16 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
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21:16 DaemonFC; If my dad won that argument, my brother would have been aborted in a clinic in Chicago and they never would have even told me she had been pregnant.
21:16 DaemonFC; And he would have told her to murder me too if he thought that pregnancy would be "difficult".
21:17 DaemonFC; How do you think that makes me feel about him?
21:19 schestowitz[TR]; imagines if they told him you'd turn out gay
21:19 schestowitz[TR]; and married to an "asian"
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21:20 schestowitz[TR]; you said he got 3 college degree, still joined scientology
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; my parents were barely educated or pooly educated but still looked after us OK
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes rich parents are the worst
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; too arrogant and poatronising
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; and have kids for "status"
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; then parcel them off to some "boarding school"
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; coz they "get in the way"
21:25 TR News; Intel Releases First Arc GPU Driver For Linux, Tinkering Prowess Required - Techgage https://techgage.com/news/intel-releases-first-arc-gpu-driver-for-linux/ Source: Techgage | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//techgage.com/news/intel-releases-first-arc-gpu-driver-for-linux/
21:25 TR Bot; Releases First Arc GPU Driver For Linux, Tinkering Prowess Required Techgage
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21:26 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> then parcel them off to some "boarding school"
21:26 DaemonFC; I should have been so lucky.
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; still sad to hear your story
21:26 DaemonFC; That would have cost money.
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; rejection by parents is eternally hurtful
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; and it sounds like he stiull just barely tolerates you
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; to act polite
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; he might lose firends for being an a-hole to you
21:27 techuser; I'm more than rejected by parents
21:27 techuser; parents don't know/care that progress is evil
21:27 techuser; people on IRC *also* seems to not care much
21:27 techuser; *seem
21:28 techuser; *my parents
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21:28 techuser; never had friends
21:28 techuser; never had love, though maybe it is a good thing
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; you can cope
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; find alternatives
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; when you were away from this network people asked about you
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; so maybe we're not your friends
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; but at least we care for you
21:29 techuser; I don't know why do people ask this.
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; maybe because you live in ukraine
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; there is a school near us
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; 200 meter
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; it has a ukraine flag up[
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; on a pole
21:30 techuser; If it is the case, I wonder if it is because they are curious about what is happening in Ukraine, or it is SJW stuff.
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; which is.. stranger
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; in a school
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; what if the school has kids with russian parents?
21:30 techuser; SJWs are evil
21:30 techuser; they cancel Russians
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; not just them
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; many westerners do this
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; like they're all putins
21:31 techuser; people brainwashed by SJWs iiuc
21:31 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/10/20/bipartisan-legislative-panel-objects-to-continued-covid-19-emergency-rules-filed-by-illinois-department-of-public-health/
21:31 TR Bot; Bipartisan legislative panel objects to continued COVID-19 emergency rules filed by Illinois Department of Public Health
21:31 DaemonFC; "(The Center Square) A bipartisan panel of Illinois lawmakers on Tuesday objected to continued emergency rules filed by the Illinois Department of Public Health, with one member saying, the pandemic is over."
21:32 DaemonFC; The pandemic is over. It is time for us to get back to the normal way of doing business, Reick said during the hearing.
21:32 DaemonFC; "JCAR issued a formal objection to the executive order on Tuesday. The IDPH will now have 90 days to respond."
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; PendemicIsOver(R) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/17/cdc-data-on-us-deaths/
21:32 TR Bot; Blog Archive CDC Data: US Deaths About 25% Higher This Winter Than Last Winter Before COVID-19 (Updated)
21:33 techuser; being attracted to specific people eventually hurts
21:33 techuser; they disappear, or they betray
21:33 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
21:33 schestowitz[TR]; true
21:33 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Reick
21:33 TR Bot; Steve Reick - Wikipedia
21:33 DaemonFC; A Republican tax attorney says "pandemic is over".
21:33 DaemonFC; "I love democracy." -Palpatine
21:33 techuser; also "betray" not always like true betrayal. Sometimes their opinions suddenly change and you aren't compatible with them anymore.
21:33 schestowitz[TR]; your brother..
21:34 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes external factors like fake friends, who branwash them
21:34 DaemonFC; I love that we have elections that result in giving tax attorneys the ability to set public health policy.
21:35 schestowitz[TR]; so what if over 1 million EXTRA people die per year?
21:35 schestowitz[TR]; in the US alone
21:35 schestowitz[TR]; go back to work, you won't reach age 67 anyway
21:35 schestowitz[TR]; take 2 jobs, too
21:35 schestowitz[TR]; food, energy and hjousing is getting expensiove
21:35 schestowitz[TR]; no time to live, work two jobs
21:36 techuser; what is "live" though?
21:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Pfizer says cash price of $130 _per dose_ as soon as the government stops buying it.
21:36 techuser; *to live
21:36 techuser; I feel like I'm wasting my time
21:36 DaemonFC; The government is paying Pfizer $30.
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: that's philosophy
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; ask bears and doigs
21:36 techuser; no idea if I can ever be happy
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; wild and domesticated
21:36 techuser; doing some stuff, idk for why
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; doigs seleep and eat a lot
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; some humans play games and watch pr0n
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; b ears look for food to survive
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; but they have ample space
21:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Go get vaxxed and boosted. Only $530. You wouldn't want to be a "criminal". (Bourla)
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/21/pfizer-secrecy/
21:37 TR Bot; Blog Archive Pfizer Refuses to Explain What Its Selling
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; bourla canceled the metting
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; he refuses to speak to our representatives
21:37 DaemonFC; You get to subscribe to "annual booster" for only $130 a year after your "VAXXED AND BOOSTED" trial is up.
21:37 DaemonFC; :)
21:37 DaemonFC; PROBLEM SOLVED! - mjg59_
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; after he got a 30,000,000,000+ SECRET contract
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; the EU contract alone
21:38 DaemonFC; "WHY AREN'T THE BLACKS GETTING VAXXED AND BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTED!?!?!?!?" - mjg59_ and Bill Gates'
21:38 techuser; games and pr0n may help waste time
21:38 techuser; yet won't make me happy
21:38 techuser; I probably forgot how it feels to be happy
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; blacks are suspicious for historical reasons too
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; tired of eugenics and being experiemnted upon
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; the press just uses the blacks there
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; to stigmatise them as "stupid"
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; for not having high vaccinatioin rtaes
21:39 DaemonFC; Yeah, like having the US government test syphilis on them and watch them go crazy and die for over 30 years.
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; in switzerland the rates of vacccinated is 69%
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; and they're like the world's pharma capital
21:39 DaemonFC; While some black nurse that they hired, who had full knowledge, "encouraged" their participation.
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; (vaccinated for covid-19)
21:39 DaemonFC; And then Gates mutilating their genitals.
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; they get vaccinated a lot, but are picky
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; I meant suspecting, not suspicious
21:40 DaemonFC; Grandma Harmon (the Irish woman): "Black people can't help being stupid. They just are!".
21:40 DaemonFC; :)
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; another generation
21:40 DaemonFC; Her mother wasn't like this at all I'm told. Nobody knows what my grandmother came out so mean.
21:41 schestowitz[TR]; she grew up in an America where there was institutional segrragation
21:42 TR News; (NEW): KDE: digiKam Recipes 2022.10.21 and KDE Gear 22.12 Release Schedule http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/KDE_digiKam_Recipes_2022_10_21_and_KDE_Gear_22_12_Release_Sched.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/KDE_digiKam_Recipes_2022_10_21_and_KDE_Gear_22_12_Release_Sched.gmi
21:42 TR Bot; Tux Machines KDE: digiKam Recipes 2022.10.21 and KDE Gear 22.12 Release Schedule
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: are you telling me current health chief under Sleep Bailout is an accountant?
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; it says noit
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; IL politician
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21:43 schestowitz[TR]; " Being the first person in his family to attend college, he graduated from University of Illinois in 1975 with bachelor's degree in Accountancy and went on to earn a Juris Doctor and a master's degree in Accountancy and Taxation from the University of Georgia in 1980"
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; totally knows his "shit" on pandemics
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; seems like 'moneyman'
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; thinking of opandemic as obstacle to profit
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21:44 schestowitz[TR]; wikipedia is ads
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; for politics and corporations
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; event he history articles are biased
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; at least in en.wikipedia.org
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21:45 schestowitz[TR]; articles on war are just edit wars
21:46 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> seems like 'moneyman'
21:46 DaemonFC; Tax accountant means "helps rich people screw everyone else each year, for a nominal fee".
21:46 TR News; Miami Herald does fake 'reviews' (spam) instead of articles https://news.google.com/__i/rss/rd/articles/CBMiQWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lm1pYW1paGVyYWxkLmNvbS9oZWFsdGgtd2VsbG5lc3MvYXJ0aWNsZTI2NzYxOTA0Ny5odG1s0gFBaHR0cHM6Ly9hbXAubWlhbWloZXJhbGQuY29tL2hlYWx0aC13ZWxsbmVzcy9hcnRpY2xlMjY3NjE5MDQ3Lmh0bWw?oc=5
21:47 DaemonFC; Rich people used to boast about how much they had to pay in tax. Now they boast about paying less than their office secretary.
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; the only tax they pay is the bribery of politicians
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; to nensure they don't pay real tax
21:47 chunky; i love u!!
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21:49 DaemonFC; Most major corporations took on loans to fund their operations when they had a lot of cash parked overseas.
21:49 DaemonFC; It was cheaper to take on the loans than to repatriate the cash. So they waited for "Trump", got the "tax law", then brought the cash over and paid less tax than the interest on the loans cost them.
21:50 TR News; How I use Linux on my Chromebook https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/how-i-use-linux-on-my-chromebook/ Source: AboutChromebooks | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/how-i-use-linux-on-my-chromebook/
21:50 TR News; (NEW): The 10 Best Color Picker and Color Management Apps for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/The_10_Best_Color_Picker_and_Color_Management_Apps_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/The_10_Best_Color_Picker_and_Color_Management_Apps_for_Linux.gmi
21:50 Helenah; Yes, trump was business man material in control of Government. lol
21:50 DaemonFC; The government could have passed a law that said it doesn't matter when you bring it back, you owe this rate whenever you do.
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21:50 DaemonFC; So you may as well just pay up.
21:51 DaemonFC; Or, better. You owe it now and you will pay us now.
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21:52 schestowitz[TR]; they will bend laws to suit them
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; SCOTUS in Citizens United will say it's OK to bribe
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; bribes ok
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; tax evasion OK
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; economy down the toilet
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; truss tried it here
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; we sent her packing
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; 6 years, soon 5th or 6th job candidate
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; for PM
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21:55 TR News; "About a year ago I wrote about my gripes with Firefox not playing nicely with KDE Plasma Activities and how I created an Activity-aware Firefox hack/wrapper." https://matija.suklje.name/activity-aware-firefox-041
21:55 TR Bot; Activity-aware Firefox 0.4.1 - Vastly improved through community collaboration Hooks Humble Homepage
21:59 TR News; Giant Squids Washed Ashore Give Scientists New Clues Japan 2 Earth https://featured.japan-forward.com/japan2earth/2022/10/1179/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//featured.japan-forward.com/japan2earth/2022/10/1179/
22:00 TR Bot; Giant Squids Washed Ashore Give Scientists New Clues Japan 2 Earth
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22:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines This Week in GNOME #66 Foundation Updates
22:00 TR News; (NEW): Build Your Cycling Computer with RaspberryPi Zero: Pi Zero Bikecomputer http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Build_Your_Cycling_Computer_with_RaspberryPi_Zero_Pi_Zero_Bikec.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Build_Your_Cycling_Computer_with_RaspberryPi_Zero_Pi_Zero_Bikec.gmi
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22:04 DaemonFC; Oh that's nice. I just wasted an extra $30 in printing costs on documents for immigration.
22:04 DaemonFC; Had I just used "standard" paper, it was 6 cents a page cheaper.
22:05 DaemonFC; FedEx keeps changing the settings to make printing more expensive if you run off prints using the default options.
22:08 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/funny-pictures-8-18-22-5.jpg
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; going to record a video about phoronix now
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; any other topics to cover in video much welcome
22:14 schestowitz[TR]; as we don't have many topics in mind lately
22:16 DaemonFC; FedEx is really evil.
22:16 DaemonFC; I just needed this all on the cheapest paper to show bank statements and shit to Immigration officers.
22:16 DaemonFC; I'm glad I noticed it before sending them another batch with 123 sheets on it.
22:18 DaemonFC; For Standard White paper to be an option, you have to first select Black & White.
22:18 DaemonFC; Black & White is not the default, that way they can charge you for the expensive laser paper and Color prints even if the document is Black & White.
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], You also get a 10% print discount with a free business account.
22:20 DaemonFC; So I signed up for one and then I had to block FedEx because they started calling my cell phone every morning at 9 AM wondering how they could "help" my business.
22:22 DaemonFC; I've trimmed a lot of the excess pages out of these cell phone bills and bank statements where it's just like "Information about your account" that repeats on every bill or 4 pages and a blank to say "Did you know you can ask for a credit card limit increase?".
22:23 DaemonFC; So if you just throw all of these papers in and hit print, it's $76.
22:23 DaemonFC; But if you choose Black & White it's $26, and if you step down to Standard White paper, it's only $16.
22:23 DaemonFC; Fuckers.
22:24 DaemonFC; They got me for about $30 vs. had I known that from the beginning.
22:24 DaemonFC; I knew B&W was cheaper so I fixed that, but I was using laser paper.
22:44 *dope_dealer gives DaemonFC some dope
22:44 dope_dealer; im a dope dealer nigga
22:44 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], What is this?
22:45 dope_dealer; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OdDmC1-p4E
22:45 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=5OdDmC1-p4E
22:45 TR Bot; not resolve host: invidious.osi.kr; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=5OdDmC1-p4E )
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23:04 schestowitz[TR]; done with the video
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: ignore trolls
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23:05 techuser; horseface: ^ btw
23:05 techuser; oh, you were offline
23:05 techuser; dope_dealer talks about drugs
23:05 techuser; invite him to your IRC network maybe
23:05 techuser; *them
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23:13 schestowitz[TR]; he's not wanted here
23:13 schestowitz[TR]; all he does is spout racist words
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; and suggesting illegal stuff
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; and no actual contribuition other than this trolling
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23:15 dope_dealer; im black
23:16 dope_dealer; im also into technology, i use the dark web and cryptocurrencies
23:16 dope_dealer; im here for the links and i stay for the conversations
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; you never participate in conversations
23:17 dope_dealer; i like to read them
23:17 dope_dealer; im a bit of a lurker
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; so read them
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; and stop caloling everyoine "ni***er"
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23:17 schestowitz[TR]; and suggesting illegal stuff to them
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23:18 dope_dealer; how do i know whats illegal when im from a magical place where drugs aren't so illegal
23:18 TR News; Privacy and freedom should be the legacy we leave, not the opposite https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/privacy-and-freedom-should-be-the-legacy-we-leave-not-the-opposite Source: Swatantra | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.fsf.org/blogs/community/privacy-and-freedom-should-be-the-legacy-we-leave-not-the-opposite
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23:20 TR News; Resiliency Superpowers with eBPF https://www.infoq.com/presentations/ebpf-resiliency/
23:20 TR Bot; Resiliency Superpowers with eBPF
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23:38 XRevan86; techuser: "SJWs are evil; they cancel Russians" <- https://nitter.it/cathy39637692/status/1583403543457042433
23:38 TR Bot; (@cathy39637692): "Books by Vladimir Kara-Murza, Ekaterina Shulman, Leonid Parfyonov, Boris Akunin, Dmitry Glukhovsky, Mikhail Zygar and other opposition-minded authors and foreign agents were forbidden to put books in a prominent place in the Moscow House. How soon will they start burning?"|nitter.it
23:39 techuser; both sides being evil
23:40 XRevan86; + https://nitter.it/TSJPhillips/status/1583517750928244738
23:40 TR Bot; Phillips (@TSJPhillips): "The childish, chilling censorship of fascist Russia creeps ever further. Regime opponents are now non-persons. Boris Akunin, one of the countrys most famous writers and a Putin critic, has had his name removed from plays he wrote at two theatres. https://meduza.io/amp/en/news/2022/10/21/ministry-of-culture-figures-who-disavow-russia-will-completely-logically-disappear-from-posters"|nitter.it
23:40 XRevan86; Oh, Meduza covered it, quick.
23:41 starstreak; linucks btw
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23:49 TR News; EML IIT Hyderabad to Host Richard Matthew Stallman (RMS) This Coming Week | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/richard-stallman-hyderabad/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/21/richard-stallman-hyderabad/
23:49 TR Bot; EML IIT Hyderabad to Host Richard Matthew Stallman (RMS) This Coming Week | Techrights
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23:54 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: your article is mentioned in https://yewtu.be/watch?v=X1VjJnTQPBQ
23:54 TR Bot; DuckDuckGo and Qwant Start Censoring Their Results, JoshWho Search Is The Answer (CharlieBrownAU) - Invidious
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