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00:01 DaemonFC; Employed and insured.
00:01 DaemonFC; The Democrats have been good to us, Roy
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00:11 DaemonFC; Holy shit. CNN actually respects the save-data HTTP header.
00:13 psydruid; Weapons of Mass Destruction
00:13 psydruid; of American lives
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00:32 DaemonFC; https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/teamviewer-font-privacy.html
00:32 TR Bot; TeamViewer installs suspicious font only useful for web fingerprinting | Ctrl blog
00:33 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], ^
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01:00 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Great Clips sent me a hair cut coupon. $14.99 (plus tip obviously).
01:00 DaemonFC; The coupons used to be like $8.99 or $9.99 a couple of years ago.
01:01 DaemonFC; So even the coupon rate for a haircut (pre-tip) is 150% of what it cost two years ago.
01:01 DaemonFC; But inflation "is only 8-9% per year".
01:03 DaemonFC; What we're really seeing is a fire burning out of control.
01:04 DaemonFC; https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/fed-minutes-may-hint-rationale-size-coming-rate-hikes-2022-08-17/
01:04 TR Bot; minutes show more rate hikes in the pipeline, but pace could slow | Reuters
01:04 DaemonFC; "Participants agreed that there was little evidence to date that inflation pressures were subsiding," the minutes said.
01:05 DaemonFC; "Though some reduction in inflation, which has been running at four-decade highs, might occur through improving global supply chains or drops in the prices of fuel and other commodities, much of the heavy lifting would have to come by imposing such high borrowing costs on businesses and households that they would spend less, the minutes stated."
01:05 DaemonFC; Which basically "puts out the fire" by causing job loss.
01:06 DaemonFC; Like Clintonista economist Larry Summers gloating that their plan is to double the unemployment rate "for five years".
01:12 heureka; DaemonFC: it is +50% in how many years exactly?
01:13 DaemonFC; In early 2020, right before lockdown bullshit, the coupons said "$9.99+tax".
01:13 DaemonFC; Now they say "$14.99+tax".
01:13 heureka; +50% total in 10 years for example is equivalent to an annual inflation of +4.5% compound interest
01:13 DaemonFC; Yes, but it's +50 in 2 years and 6 months.
01:14 heureka; question is, when a haircut first was available for $10
01:14 DaemonFC; So what does that work out to?
01:14 heureka; for example, if a haircut was $10 in year 2010, then the inflation in thos should be calcualted since 2010
01:14 DaemonFC; Well, in 2008, they were sending out the "$6.99+tax" coupons.
01:15 DaemonFC; So we know that in 12 years, it only went up by $3, but then in 2.5 years it went up another $5.
01:15 heureka; ok, then to keep it simple let's say 2010 it was $10, and 2020 it increased +50% in 10 years
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01:15 DaemonFC; It's weird that it stayed so remarkably stable for a decade.
01:16 DaemonFC; Then in 2.5 years they're like "Fuck this!" and hiked it up 50% all at once.
01:17 DaemonFC; A comedian joked that Bill Gates "refused to spend more than $10 on a haircut".
01:17 heureka; well, if annual income increase averaged at +4.5% compound interest then they lost several years of income already
01:17 DaemonFC; I suppose that would be the $15 haircut today.
01:17 DaemonFC; So we know Gates won't go over 15 on a haircut or a girl.
01:18 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], You mentioned Gates, Epstein and JONES earlier.
01:18 MinceR; i don't care how much gAIDS spends on haircuts
01:18 MinceR; i do care about what he's done to this industry and to this society
01:18 DaemonFC; I've noticed that pedos lose interest fast after about age 15.
01:19 DaemonFC; So I'm certain it isn't only about power, because it would still be breaking the law for a year or two in most states.
01:19 DaemonFC; Some people get their kicks breaking the law and laughing that nobody will stop them.
01:19 DaemonFC; (Power trip.)
01:19 heureka; MinceR: was it BillG? his product was/is Altair Basic
01:19 heureka; that's far less harmful than most of what GNU/FSF advertise as software freedom nowadays
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01:20 heureka; although BillG still presents his visage for the IBM Wintel11 crap
01:20 DaemonFC; Well, whether an implementation of BASIC was Free or Non-Free made very little difference to the user in the days of early home computing.
01:20 DaemonFC; It was burned into a firmware ROM that nobody could change.
01:20 heureka; altair basic was distributed as paper tape
01:21 heureka; initially
01:21 DaemonFC; So you were programming for the computer. What the computer allowed you to do was make programs using something that couldn't be changed if you wanted to (or if the manufacturer wanted to).
01:21 DaemonFC; Commodore BASIC was Microsoft's as well.
01:21 DaemonFC; That's the one I had the most exposure to growing up.
01:21 heureka; interesting
01:21 heureka; ok
01:23 DaemonFC; Commodore modified it under license from Microsoft.
01:23 DaemonFC; They actually got a source license with modification rights.
01:23 DaemonFC; So there were different revisions of Commodore BASIC in their later models.
01:24 DaemonFC; Apparently, the CEO of Commodore was angry with Bill Gates, because Microsoft left a calling card in it.
01:24 DaemonFC; If you made a specially crafted program and commanded it to run, it would print out MICROSOFT to the screen.
01:24 heureka; seems to be opensource nowadays, don't know what was available in 1980s
01:24 heureka; https://github.com/microsoft/GW-BASIC
01:24 TR Bot; - microsoft/GW-BASIC: The original source code of Microsoft GW-BASIC from 1983
01:24 DaemonFC; The CEO was pissed because the system only had 64 K of RAM and it took some lines of code to do this, and it all got loaded into the memory.
01:25 heureka; Microsoft BASIC: "All files within this repo are released under the MIT (OSI) License as per the LICENSE file stored in the root of this repo"
01:26 heureka; this is the BillG product, and it's opensource and free software
01:32 starstreak; "It's like having mission control right on my PC" - Gary Winston (Anti-Trust)
01:34 heureka; don't know when these source were first released into public, and there was many other basic interpreter vendors
01:36 MinceR; heureka: under gAIDS's leadership, the redmond mafia bullied all PC manufacturers into bundling their alleged computers with MICROS~1's alleged operating systems
01:36 MinceR; and often into locking those alleged computers into MICROS~1's alleged operating systems
01:37 heureka; MinceR: no doubt
01:37 MinceR; they defrauded many individuals and businesses
01:37 MinceR; their products turned PCs into spam-sending zombies
01:38 heureka; however, the recent MICROS~1 product line isn't a one of BillG, WinNT emerged from DEC (OpenVMS)
01:38 heureka; and it's the surrounding political interests close nearby Washington and the Pentagon, who pushed the mentioned agenda
01:38 MinceR; Backdoors NT combines the design flaws of ["open"]VMS with the design flaws of Backdoors and DOS
01:39 DaemonFC; GW-BASIC is better commented than I figured it would be.
01:39 MinceR; there's a single comment in the source code?
01:39 starstreak; heureka, the pentagon, of course
01:39 DaemonFC; Basically every line tells you what it's doing.
01:39 DaemonFC; If anything this is a bit excessive.
01:40 heureka; it isn't; comments are easily stripped if desired
01:40 DaemonFC; Nice. Microsoft backdated their Code of Conduct file to February 10, 1983.
01:41 heureka; i see another problem with BillG's BASIC: "Contains no build scripts, makefiles, or tools required to generate executable binaries, nor does it contain any pre-built binaries / executables"
01:41 heureka; reminds me of the Assembler issue i was ranting about recently
01:41 MinceR; curious
01:41 heureka; and well, yes, basic is implemented in ASM
01:41 DaemonFC; MinceR, Wouldn't want to be phobic of the transformers.
01:42 MinceR; the redmond mafia was notorious for not documenting their code
01:42 DaemonFC; Or the decepticons.
01:42 DaemonFC; You'd make mjg59_ cross.
01:45 MinceR; DaemonFC: i thought it was supposed to be transmissions in english (and transistors in hungarian)
01:46 DaemonFC; MinceR, Sorry I'm late. Tranny problems.
01:46 DaemonFC; I just had her rebuilt and she's been acting a little strange since then. :/
01:46 starstreak; i was almost offended
01:46 starstreak; XD
01:46 MinceR; :>
01:51 *DaemonFC sends mjg59_ a copy of Twisted Transistor by Korn
01:52 DaemonFC; Hey you! Hey you! Finally you get it!
01:52 DaemonFC; The world ain't fair....eat you if you let it!
01:52 DaemonFC; ;)
01:53 DaemonFC; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=o7uGPWFwg1I
01:53 TR Bot; Korn - Twisted Transistor - Invidious
01:55 heureka; i'm still shocked, all free software libc i knew contain much ASM which cannot be digested by an alternative assembler
01:56 DaemonFC; The best episode of Better Call Saul was definitely the one where he goaded the members of a golf club to seem antisemitic and then made a huge spectacle of it after he goaded his former boss into nearly punching him and then begged for permission to use the restroom if that would be okay.
01:57 DaemonFC; (Which he used to plant cocaine in Howard's locker.)
01:57 starstreak; lol
01:57 heureka; shocked for several reasons: such as i consider GNU software not suitable for tinier embedded and mission critical systems (it's too complicated software by design for this)
01:57 starstreak; better call saul and mr robot are my two favourite shows of all time
01:57 DaemonFC; Saul Goodman turned out to be worse than Walter White.
01:58 heureka; and even worse, if the complexity is mutual and locks out any real alternative (LLVM and whatever assemblers they got arn't an alternative)
01:58 DaemonFC; I definitely didn't see it coming. They left the best parts for the last couple episodes.
01:58 starstreak; I didn't like the ending
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01:59 DaemonFC; Yeah, I started seriously not liking Saul Goodman anymore after the episode where he goaded his own brother into committing suicide.
02:00 DaemonFC; And then after Howard I really hated him.
02:00 starstreak; I didn't hate him, I was rooting for him lol
02:00 DaemonFC; Howard was a jerk but he didn't have that coming.
02:00 heureka; do you know any alternative aarch32 "free software" assembler (not GNU gas and not LLVM) which could digest the aarch32 asm inside musl-libc?
02:00 heureka; it's just an exemplary case
02:00 heureka; and practically relevant too
02:00 DaemonFC; Up until that it was kind of funny when Saul was just dropping bowling balls on his car or something, you know?
02:01 starstreak; the hookers were the best lol
02:01 starstreak; showing up while Howard is having a lunch meeting
02:01 DaemonFC; Yeah, everything up to getting murdered, Howard deserved it.
02:01 DaemonFC; He had it coming just for how much grief he put Jimmy/Saul through.
02:01 starstreak; he didnt kill howard tho
02:02 starstreak; wrong place at the wrong time
02:02 heureka; or, another question: is it at least feasible to implement an alternative aarch32 assembler which could digest the asm inside musl-libc?
02:02 DaemonFC; If Howard hadn't been such a dick to Jimmy, he never would have turned into Saul Goodman. He would have made partner at HHM and he would have probably become a respectable lawyer, even meeting the approval of his brother.
02:02 DaemonFC; His brother and Howard did themselves in by tormenting Jimmy and disrespecting him and stopping his career from advancing at HHM.
02:03 DaemonFC; They turned him into Saul.
02:03 starstreak; i agree with that
02:03 starstreak; there was another good one, where he is doing community service and threatens to sue the guy if he cant lay down for a bit
02:04 DaemonFC; Yeah, that is how this country works.
02:04 DaemonFC; So the guy put down he was doing his hours because he couldn't afford the possibility of having to face an angry pissed off lawyer with nothing better to do than run him into the ground.
02:04 starstreak; lol
02:05 starstreak; i would love to be a lawyer but i didn't have the cash so i went with the paralegal route
02:05 starstreak; almost as powerful as a lawyer
02:05 DaemonFC; I've represented myself in legal cases before.
02:05 starstreak; paralegals can have clients where im from
02:05 DaemonFC; A couple of high stakes civil matters where I just could not afford proper representation.
02:06 DaemonFC; I actually fared rather well.
02:06 starstreak; i've represented myself in tons of cases for transgender discrimination
02:06 DaemonFC; I had to carry our Immigration case while we were between attorneys and had to submit another set of case files, and they were approved.
02:06 DaemonFC; I convinced a judge in Indiana to strike down part of the Medicaid law.
02:07 DaemonFC; When the state couldn't fix it at the Supreme Court, they repealed it and rewrote that section, and it made several thousand people newly eligible for Medicaid.
02:08 DaemonFC; Indiana is really fucked up. They were trying to prevent people from getting Medicaid, by whatever means necessary.
02:09 DaemonFC; But found plenty of money to give to IBM to botch the transition of the FSSA into a public-private partnership.
02:09 DaemonFC; I think I mentioned this to schestowitz[TR]
02:09 heureka; FSSA?
02:09 DaemonFC; Family and Social Services Administration
02:09 DaemonFC; The Illinois counterpart is called the Department of Human Services.
02:10 DaemonFC; You move between states and the names of all of the government agencies changes, including the DMV.
02:10 DaemonFC; Some states call the license branch the Department of Motor Vehicles.
02:10 DaemonFC; In New Mexico, it's the Motor Vehicle Division.
02:11 DaemonFC; In some states (including Illinois and Michigan), it's the Secretary of State.
02:11 DaemonFC; In Indiana, it's the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.
02:11 DaemonFC; Indiana isn't so violent that their DMV needs its own police force.
02:12 DaemonFC; But in Illinois, there are "Secretary of State police officers".
02:15 DaemonFC; https://github.com/microsoft/GW-BASIC/blob/master/BIBOOT.ASM
02:15 TR Bot; at master microsoft/GW-BASIC GitHub
02:15 DaemonFC; Right off, there's a hack to make BASIC work on DOS.
02:16 starstreak; https://www.qb64.com
02:16 TR Bot; QB64 is a modern extended BASIC programming language that retains QBasic/QuickBASIC 4.5 compatibility and compiles native binaries for Windows, Linux, and macOS.
02:16 DaemonFC; Okay, I dumped out my gasoline rebate account into a Walmart gift card.
02:17 DaemonFC; I'm doing that now so I don't have to dump rebates into PayPal which may end up on a 1099-K going to the IRS. Rebates are not taxable, but it could still create a tax form I don't want.
02:17 DaemonFC; So....
02:17 heureka; well, i'm still more curious about the ASM question
02:19 heureka; seems for aarch32 there isn't any real alternative assembler implementation, which could digest musl-libc (or any other libc)
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02:20 heureka; with i386 bootstrappable.org did hack musl-libc and too i386-tcc assembler, and succeeded; however ia32 is problematic for that many other reasons i am not willing to move there
02:21 heureka; in the end, it's a few hundred lines of ASM which crushed the whole idea of a tcc-toolchain (no binutils, no gcc, no llvm)
02:22 heureka; hence the question, if it was at least feasible to implement an assembler for this, is the key to understanding anti-competitive vendor-lock and where GNU is positioned
02:23 DaemonFC; I'm considering coming up with the documents to apply for tribal citizenship with the Cherokee Nation.
02:25 starstreak; DaemonFC, you should do that
02:26 heureka; which assembler and hardware would GNU/FSF endorse as "free software"? their x86/64 GNU gas one and vendor-lock into it?
02:27 heureka; or, is it possible/desirable to dissect the aarch32 gas implementation and move that over into arm-tcc assembler (it's both GPL)?
02:30 heureka; stumbled upon some aarch32 asm inside libffi(required for python) too... i don't know if this is the type of "free software"
02:31 heureka; and the design-rationale of tcc seems different to GNU, meaning i may not want to re-implement GNU gas there for the sake of it
02:33 DaemonFC; I don't know why Russians get special treatment as "Orcs".
02:33 DaemonFC; That description could easily describe any nation of the modern industrialized world.
02:33 heureka; even dieatlibc, it's fully loaded with GNU gas... no idea how such a libc could ever be digested reasonably without binutils
02:34 heureka; dietlibc
02:34 DaemonFC; They reproduce, they sprawl. One person wastes more than they actually use.
02:34 DaemonFC; They make war on each other when that's not enough.
02:34 DaemonFC; They burn they foul their own nests.
02:35 DaemonFC; I mean, it takes a really special kind of stupid to want to live near this kind of pollution.
02:35 heureka; "Orcs"?
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02:43 DaemonFC; <heureka> "Orcs"?
02:43 DaemonFC; Like in the Lord of the Rings.
02:44 DaemonFC; Disgusting creatures. Used as Sauron's army.
02:45 DaemonFC; https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs
02:45 TR Bot; Orcs | The One Wiki to Rule Them All | Fandom
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03:04 starstreak; orcs are also in warcraft
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03:04 starstreak; https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Orc
03:04 TR Bot; Orc - Wowpedia - Your wiki guide to the World of Warcraft
03:07 starstreak; the only thing I miss about having a windows gaming pc is world of warcraft
03:08 starstreak; it might work in wine but i don't have a gpu
03:16 bnchs; wine's directx to opengl translation surprisingly works well
03:16 bnchs; s/directx/direct3d/
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03:32 starstreak; i used to play the burning crusade expansion in wine and it ran better than it did in windows
03:33 starstreak; but that was a long time ago and the game has had an upgrade in the gfx dept
03:34 starstreak; there are private servers that run older versions of wow, i could try those on my intel gpu
03:45 DaemonFC; https://libapps.salisbury.edu/nabb-online/exhibits/show/native-americans-then-and-now/introduction/the-white-savior
03:45 TR Bot; The White Savior Native Americans Then and Now Nabb Research Center Online Exhibits
03:46 DaemonFC; This is an example of what we're up against. The movie was a fictional story. In the story, it showed the tribe being attacked by a much more dangerous and violent tribe, and they were badly outnumbered.
03:47 DaemonFC; Kevin Costner saying "Hey, I have a lot of guns." is apparently a "white savior" problem even though it took up like 2-3 minutes of screen time in a 4 hour movie.
03:48 DaemonFC; James Cameron basically plagiarized Dances With Wolves, badly, in "Avatar".
03:48 heureka; english language is too limited to translate correctly at least
03:48 DaemonFC; He sidestepped the idiots screaming "white savior" by making the antagonists "human soldiers" in general and the people that Jake Sully saves "aliens".
03:49 heureka; which means, "weise" doesn't translate to a color, it translates to wisdom
03:50 DaemonFC; https://libapps.salisbury.edu/nabb-online/exhibits/show/native-americans-then-and-now/introduction/the-white-savior/representation-in-dances-with-
03:50 TR Bot; Representation in Dances with Wolves Native Americans Then and Now Nabb Research Center Online Exhibits
03:50 DaemonFC; "The beginning of the film Dances with Wolves affirms the Native American stereotypes that have been running through the foundations of our societies. In the first appearance of Native characters arrive ominous intimidating music loudens, and all the white characters are struck with fear. The Native Americans killed a white settler very brutally and called them savages. This is not an accurate depiction of them."
03:51 DaemonFC; Some Native American tribes would strike preemptively against settlers who were poorly armed (maybe some rifles for hunting).
03:55 DaemonFC; https://old.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/on4wug/dances_with_wolves_avoids_the_white_savior/
03:55 TR Bot; Dances With Wolves avoids the "white savior" problem because Dunbar does not save the natives, the natives save him : movies
03:59 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], It struck me there's a lot of older movies I've never seen.
03:59 DaemonFC; The new ones are complete trash, like the music.
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04:00 DaemonFC; They're not just utter garbage because they have no production value and limp by on huge budgets....although that is the main problem.
04:00 starstreak; music was great in the 00s
04:00 DaemonFC; It's like empty calories.
04:00 starstreak; its hit or miss after 00s
04:01 starstreak; still some good songs come out but nothing that impressive
04:01 DaemonFC; The rest of the problem is that people like mjg59_ and the Communist Party of China have creative control over scripts now.
04:01 starstreak; can't say i hate new movies tho
04:01 heureka; the "loudness war" ruined allmost all music since 00s
04:01 DaemonFC; So you can't sit down and write anything a normal person should want to watch.
04:01 heureka; there isn't any decent productions anymore
04:02 DaemonFC; The newer music is all just noise or someone singing about their vagina in the most vulgar terms.
04:02 starstreak; Apple Music killed my love for iOS, I can't put music on my phone anymore, maybe i could with itunes for windows
04:03 DaemonFC; It really is all written by the most vile people for the most vile people. I wouldn't say that film has gotten that bad yet, as music, but it's a lot worse than it once was.
04:03 starstreak; its supposed to work in rhythmbox but libimobiledevice is catching up
04:04 DaemonFC; People today are stupid, and stupid people are crude people, and stupid people are violent people.
04:04 starstreak; i have a massive collection of music on another hard drive, probably like 30GB
04:04 DaemonFC; When you have crude and violent people, you can only get a court system that's jammed up for the next 5 years and getting worse.
04:04 starstreak; i converted all my flac into alac so i could play on the iphone back in the day
04:04 DaemonFC; So, like, the law is breaking down.
04:05 starstreak; i might convert all my alac to flac now
04:05 DaemonFC; Most misdemeanors in Chicago get nolle prosse'd which is lawyer-speak for letting them go "in the interest of justice".
04:05 DaemonFC; But really it's because there's so many serious felonies that they no longer have time for misdemeanants and it becomes allocation of resources.
04:06 DaemonFC; Like Mr. GULAG's shining city.
04:06 heureka; DaemonFC: why are you regularly insulting him?
04:07 DaemonFC; Because he's the antichrist.
04:07 starstreak; Apple Music: Pay us $10/month so you can put music you already own on your iPhone
04:07 DaemonFC; Okay, okay, not quite. But, you know...
04:08 DaemonFC; <starstreak> Apple Music: Pay us $10/month so you can put music you already own on your iPhone
04:09 DaemonFC; Not worth it. It's basically paying them so they can persistently threaten to remove what you already have if you don't pay them.
04:09 DaemonFC; Some things in life, you have to tolerate that, like your mortgage lender or your landlord.
04:09 DaemonFC; But not Apple.
04:09 starstreak; i wonder if itunes for windows still lets you put music on an iphone
04:09 starstreak; they killed itunes on mac
04:10 DaemonFC; The dental insurance my spouse has, we pay and we pay.
04:10 DaemonFC; And they fight us tooth and nail for every goddamned dollar they have to pay out.
04:10 DaemonFC; It's ridiculous.
04:10 starstreak; i tried a few music programs on linux and nothing would let me put music on my iphone
04:11 DaemonFC; You know, there's a contract we have with them that says under these terms, they are obligated to pay for things that are medically necessary.
04:11 DaemonFC; But really what insurance does is they try to stonewall you and openly violate the contract.
04:11 DaemonFC; Because they know you're broke and they're part of the reason why and they have lawyers and you don't have lawyers.
04:12 DaemonFC; That's how power works in modern societies.
04:12 DaemonFC; You know, some days I'd prefer going back to frontier-style justice.
04:12 DaemonFC; You knew not to have adulterous relations with someone's wife because the guy would shoot you and walk away and nobody would do anything because you were right and he had it coming.
04:13 starstreak; im in Canada, im not legally required to pay for music so im not sure why i would give apple $10/month
04:13 DaemonFC; In a system where the consequences are likely to be severe and immediate, people watch themselves.
04:13 DaemonFC; A modern justice system is just a different kind of the strong preying on the week.
04:13 DaemonFC; *weak
04:14 DaemonFC; Whoever has more money is the one the state protects, even if it would never say that. Like why the police won't take our report about my sister-in-law.
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:26 starstreak; DaemonFC, have you ever received a diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder?
04:35 DaemonFC; One of my psychiatrists said he suspected it.
04:36 starstreak; https://www.idrlabs.com/autism-spectrum/test.php
04:36 TR Bot; Autism Spectrum Test
04:37 starstreak; DaemonFC, i suspect it too, i got a radar for it
04:37 starstreak; walls of text are pretty common for autistics
04:37 starstreak; i do the same thing
04:37 starstreak; im autistic
04:40 DaemonFC; There's more than one thing going on in my head I'm sure.
04:40 DaemonFC; They're treating me for bipolar disorder.
04:43 DaemonFC; I wonder how people can say this movie is an example of "white savior complex".
04:43 DaemonFC; Like, all but two white people in this movie are portrayed as total scum.
04:45 starstreak; autism is often misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder
04:46 DaemonFC; Liberals: This movie where white people are causing all of the problems is an example of pro-white bias!
04:54 starstreak; i just watched 2001 and now im watching 2010
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05:08 DaemonFC; "On Tuesday, Walmart surprised Wall Street with better-than-expected sales and a 8.4 percent jump in profits as new shoppers turned to it for groceries and other essentials. Same-store sales, a key metric, jumped 6.5 percent. The nations largest retailer saw its shares pop more than 5 percent that day, then close out the week 4.3 percent higher."
05:08 DaemonFC; Walmart usually does well when the economy is in the shitter and people really need to save a few bucks on things.
05:08 DaemonFC; "But Target missed analyst expectations, recording a 90 percent drop in profit as it worked to clear excess inventory."
05:09 DaemonFC; Target is basically "expensive Walmart". They also failed to expand as much into groceries. I noticed the floor space devoted to groceries is lower as a percentage. About 40-45% of a Walmart store's square footage is "consumables" compared with 25% or so at Target.
05:10 DaemonFC; They also can't get their costs down. Their CEO says this is all temporary, but I predict that Target will be the next KMart.
05:10 DaemonFC; They used to be in every town in America and now there's like 6 stores left.
05:11 DaemonFC; "Though food and beverage sales surpassed all other categories for Target, Walmart saw bigger gains because of an influx of new customers looking to save a few dollars on food and back-to-school merchandise."
05:11 DaemonFC; We've been shopping there all along. I've never had the extra room in the budget to go shopping at a big grocery store unless I was just hitting them up on a sale or something.
05:12 DaemonFC; But I'm like, laser focused. I'm not the customer you want to have if you run a store like that. I go in there, buy all of your chicken and freeze it, and you don't make much on me.
05:12 DaemonFC; I tend to have some extremely expensive meat shopping trips at the start of a calendar year when grocery is a bonus category.
05:13 DaemonFC; I froze enough chicken, steak, ground beef, and pork in the first 3 months of the year that I haven't had to buy any meat since the cashback quarter ended on March 31st.
05:13 DaemonFC; And I still have enough to last about 6 months
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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05:28 starstreak; Target failed in Canada
05:28 starstreak; i actually liked it
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05:47 phanes; I suppose I should finish my analysis of the Todd v. Lovecruft case and start publishing on it so I can move on to Appelbaum and Stallman.
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05:48 phanes; She's buried herself in layers of activist sentiment to try to barb up any exposure of her so it'll need to be careful.
05:50 phanes; There are gaping holes there, though (no pun intended).
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06:13 psydruid; http://www.egr.unlv.edu/~ed/x86.html
06:13 TR Bot; x86 Assembly Language Programming with Ubuntu
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:21 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, August 20, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
06:21 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
06:21 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
06:21 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
06:25 TR News; Re: Anglophone Deficiencies gemini://eph.smol.pub/1660965775
06:26 TR News; "Pretty much all except one main character has been introduced, with the pink hair girl being the what I'd describe as the 1st main character (have fun with me describing them by their hair colour/characteristics)." gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/random15
06:27 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D329.jpg
06:27 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D680.jpg
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06:28 TR News; A Licence is Not a Virus gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/viral_licencing.gmi
06:29 TR News; "...be careful not to fall into a trap of mistaking social media engagement from the actual community-seeking that you need." gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220820_social_media
06:30 TR News; "I've made some more progress on my calendar program (currently called Horus). I've added code to locally calculate the sunrise, sunset, solar noon, dusk, and dawn of a date given a location (longitude and latitude) and timezone." gemini://auragem.space/~krixano/20220820.gmi
06:32 TR News; Using Microsoft systemd to become a slave of Microsoft gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/on-demand-minecraft-with-systemd.gmi
06:43 TR News; Debian Cannot Keep Burying the Inconvenient Facts | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/debian-private-gossip/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/debian-private-gossip/
06:43 TR Bot; Debian Cannot Keep Burying the Inconvenient Facts | Techrights
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07:08 DaemonFC; KMart used to be my dad's favorite place to go kill time at.
07:08 TR News; Is Lying About the AGPL Considered Good for Business Now? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/agpl-fud-not-good-for-business/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/agpl-fud-not-good-for-business/
07:08 TR Bot; Is Lying About the AGPL Considered Good for Business Now? | Techrights
07:08 DaemonFC; There wasn't much to do in my home town. There's never been more than about 6,000 people there. It was just big enough to have a KMart.
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07:09 DaemonFC; My dad used to go there with me and walk around window shopping or occasionally buying something.
07:09 TR News; [Old] "Evaluating DDS, MQTT, and ZeroMQ Under Different IoT Traffic Conditions" http://www.dre.vanderbilt.edu/~gokhale/WWW/papers/M4IoT2020.pdf |
07:10 TR News; "To sum up this response post; Martijn has his reasons for leaving and we should all respect those." https://www.pine64.org/2022/08/18/a-response-to-martijns-blog/ | Source: Pine64
07:10 TR Bot; A response to Martijns blog | PINE64
07:10 DaemonFC; But he was there so often that the woman down the street told my mom (later when her son was one of my friends from school) that she used to think "Oh, that poor man. Something must have happened to his wife and he's raising that child all alone.".
07:11 TR News; "Any Ghost publication with comments enabled displays a commenting area at the bottom of each post, where members are prompted to start or join the conversation by subscribing or signing in." https://ghost.org/changelog/native-comments/ |
07:11 TR Bot; Comments for Ghost
07:11 TR News; "Even without exposing a VoIP service, there is always a trickle of SIP traffic, probing if something is listening." https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28950 | Source: SANS
07:11 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
07:12 TR News; "Superconductors are the key to lossless current flow." https://phys.org/news/2022-08-superconducting-diode-external-magnetic-field.html | Source: Omicron Limited
07:12 TR Bot; A superconducting diode without an external magnetic field
07:12 TR News; "In all of the non-nutritive sweetener groups, but in none of the controls" https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbeing/22059-calorie-free-sweeteners-affect-microbiome-and-glycemic-response-study.html | Source: Helsinki Times
07:12 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbeing/22059-calorie-free-sweeteners-affect-microbiome-and-glycemic-response-study.html )
07:13 TR News; "The reality, a new study suggests, is that we simply dont have a good grip on how games affect our well-being, if at all." https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/08/20/1058328/we-may-never-fully-know-how-video-games-affect-our-well-being/ | Source: MIT Technology Review
07:13 TR Bot; We may never fully know how video games affect our well-being | MIT Technology Review
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07:16 TR News; Finland's prime minister takes a drug test after criticism over her partying https://text.npr.org/1118538831 Source: text | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//text.npr.org/1118538831
07:16 TR Bot; Finland's prime minister takes a drug test after criticism over her partying
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07:17 TR News; "I started thinking about screenshots after Jim Hall wrote an article listing GNOME screenshots, GIMP, and Firefox as the ways he often takes screenshots" https://opensource.com/article/22/8/favorite-screenshot-tool-linux | Source: OpenSource.com
07:17 TR Bot; your favorite screenshot tool on Linux? | Opensource.com
07:17 TR News; "I have been using Proxmox for a couple months now. Currently, I am hosting multiple Proxmox containers and virtual machines in my Proxmox server" https://ostechnix.com/move-proxmox-containers-vms-to-different-disk/ | Source: OSTechNix
07:17 TR Bot; Proxmox Containers And VMs To Different Disk - OSTechNix
07:18 TR News; "The ESP32 module found in the IoT Redboard is the ESP32-D0WD-V3 which features a dual-core Xtensa LX6 MCU." https://linuxgizmos.com/sparkfuns-iot-redboard-features-r3-form-factor-and-supports-freertos/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
07:18 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sparkfuns-iot-redboard-features-r3-form-factor-and-supports-freertos/ )
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:25 TR News; The Web is not improving; its only getting worse over time and people are rightly bitter about it, so we can recommend going back to basics or even defecting to Gemini http://techrights.org/2022/08/20/www-farce/
07:25 TR Bot; The Web is Not Open, Its a Farce | Techrights
07:26 TR News; NewsWaffle is taken to the next level; people can stay abreast of news from all around the world (in any language) without leaving their Gemini client http://techrights.org/2022/08/20/news-services-in-gemini/
07:26 TR Bot; NewsWaffle as a Multi-Lingual GemText News Service With Thousands of Different Sources | Techrights
07:26 TR News; In spite of relentless censorship attempts, Debian wrestles with the Streisand Effect as more people find themselves needing to confront uncomfortable communications http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/debian-private-gossip/
07:26 TR News; Fear-mongering and FUD tactics are used to oversell or overcharge for use or some particular piece of software; some packagers and maintainers arent too happy about this http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/agpl-fud-not-good-for-business/
07:26 TR News; (New Entry): Today in Techrights https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
07:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
07:33 TR News; "Going forward, the video giant will add a watermark icon to YouTube Shorts videos that creators download to share elsewhere, like on TikTok" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/youtube-shorts-watermark-videos-tiktok-1235345578/ | Source: Variety
07:33 TR Bot; Shorts Adds Video Watermark for TikTok, IG Reels Cross-Posting - Variety
07:34 TR News; "At first glance their position appears insurmountable. Already dominant, in recent years the firms have been boosted by a covid-induced rise" https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2022/08/17/can-the-visa-mastercard-duopoly-be-broken | Source: The Economist
07:34 TR Bot; the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken? | The Economist
07:35 TR News; UFC Copyright Lawsuit https://torrentfreak.com/new-ufc-copyright-lawsuit-rejects-fair-use-defense-for-documentary-makers-220820/ | Source: Torrent Freak
07:35 TR Bot; UFC Copyright Lawsuit Rejects Fair Use Defense For Documentary Makers * TorrentFreak
07:35 TR News; EFF hypocrisy https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/tracking-ubiquitous-within-nonprofits-it-doesnt-have-be | Source: EFF
07:35 TR Bot; Nonprofit Websites Are Full of Trackers. That Should Change. | Electronic Frontier Foundation
07:41 TR News; Is Crypto Really Going To Crash? (Yes) https://robertreich.org/post/693127450696335360 | Source: Robert Reich
07:41 TR Bot; Robert Reich (Is Crypto Really Going To Crash? (Yes) Crypto is...)
07:43 TR News; "The Paspberry Pi Pico is what you might call the board of the moment, thanks to its combination of affordability, features, and continued availabilit" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/20/picostepseq-is-small-but-perfectly-formed/ | Source: Hackaday
07:43 TR Bot; Is Small But Perfectly Formed | Hackaday
07:44 TR News; 500 Junk Capacitor https://hackaday.com/2022/08/20/building-a-spot-welder-from-500-junk-capacitors/ | Source: Hackaday
07:44 TR Bot; A Spot Welder From 500 Junk Capacitors | Hackaday
07:44 TR News; Illegal Surveillance of Assange's Visitors https://truthout.org/articles/mike-pompeo-and-cia-sued-for-illegal-surveillance-of-assanges-visitors/ | Source: TruthOut
07:44 TR Bot; Mike Pompeo and CIA Sued for Illegal Surveillance of Assange's Visitors
07:45 TR News; Z80 https://hackaday.com/2022/08/20/z80-single-board-computer-looks-like-it-could-have-been-a-killer-product/ | Source: Hackaday
07:45 TR Bot; Single-Board Computer Looks Like It Could Have Been A Killer Product | Hackaday
07:51 TR News; Calls Mount for Release of Saudi Woman Facing 34 Years in Prison Over Tweets https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/20/calls-mount-release-saudi-woman-facing-34-years-prison-over-tweets | Source: Common Dreams
07:51 TR Bot; Calls Mount for Release of Saudi Woman Facing 34 Years in Prison Over Tweets
07:54 TR News; (New Entry): What Is a Login Shell in Linux? https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/What_Is_a_Login_Shell_in_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/What_Is_a_Login_Shell_in_Linux.gmi
07:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines What Is a Login Shell in Linux?
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08:13 TR News; According to new ZDNet, SJVN is "BA English and history, cum laude; MA history, magna cum laude; and Ph.D. ABD history, summa cum laude."
08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:25 TR News; Links 21/08/2022: Comments for Ghost (Static Site Generator) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/comments-for-ghost/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/comments-for-ghost/
08:25 TR Bot; Links 21/08/2022: Comments for Ghost (Static Site Generator) | Techrights
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08:49 TR News; (New Entry): : Google Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Android_Leftovers.gmi
08:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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08:54 schestowitz[TR]; nah..
08:56 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, August 20, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/irc-log-200822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/irc-log-200822/
08:56 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, August 20, 2022 | Techrights
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09:10 TR News; From Selftests to KUnit - Mara Canal https://mairacanal.github.io/from-selftests-to-KUnit/ Source: mairacanal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//mairacanal.github.io/from-selftests-to-KUnit/
09:10 TR Bot; From Selftests to KUnit - Mara Canal
09:10 TR News; Does the Linux Kernel need software engineering? - Mara Canal https://mairacanal.github.io/does-the-linux-kernel-need-software-engineering/ Source: mairacanal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//mairacanal.github.io/does-the-linux-kernel-need-software-engineering/
09:10 TR Bot; Does the Linux Kernel need software engineering? - Mara Canal
09:15 TR News; (NEW): August ISO refresh - Lets meet Colorizer https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/August_ISO_refresh_x2d_Let_s_meet_Colorizer.shtml
09:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines August ISO refresh - Lets meet Colorizer
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 TR News; (NEW): MariaDB buys geospacial specialist CubeWerx https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/MariaDB_buys_geospacial_specialist_CubeWerx.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/MariaDB_buys_geospacial_specialist_CubeWerx.gmi
09:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines MariaDB buys geospacial specialist CubeWerx
09:30 TR News; (NEW): Mara Canal on Linux Kernel Development https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Maira_Canal_on_Linux_Kernel_Development.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Maira_Canal_on_Linux_Kernel_Development.gmi
09:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Mara Canal on Linux Kernel Development
09:33 TR News; (NEW): Kaisen Linux Rolling 2.2RC1 changelog https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Kaisen_Linux_Rolling_2_2RC1_changelog.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Kaisen_Linux_Rolling_2_2RC1_changelog.gmi
09:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kaisen Linux Rolling 2.2RC1 changelog
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09:36 TR News; DRM. Garbage. Use something ELSE. https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-spotify-web-player-not-working/
09:36 TR Bot; Spotify Web Player Not Working? Here Are the Fixes - Make Tech Easier
09:39 TR News; CNS shilling Windows junk again :/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/21/making-a-diy-10-1-inch-all-in-one-pc-out-of-amr5-ryzen-5-gaming-mini-pc/
09:39 TR Bot; Making a DIY 10.1-inch All-in-One PC out of AMR5 Ryzen 5 gaming mini PC - CNX Software
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09:40 TR News; (NEW): Crow Translate is an Amazing Open-source Translation App for Linux and Windows https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Crow_Translate_is_an_Amazing_Open_source_Translation_App_for_Li.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Crow_Translate_is_an_Amazing_Open_source_Translation_App_for_Li.gmi
09:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Crow Translate is an Amazing Open-source Translation App for Linux and Windows
10:11 TR News; John Been selling a course in using GNU/Linux https://www.reallinuxuser.com/my-first-course-available-now-zorin-os-linux-for-the-rest-of-us/
10:11 TR Bot; My first course, available now: Zorin OS Linux for the rest of us - Real Linux User
10:11 TR News; (NEW): Let's Try Gnome Boxes https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Let_s_Try_Gnome_Boxes.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Let_s_Try_Gnome_Boxes.gmi
10:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Let's Try Gnome Boxes
10:12 TR News; "We cover events and user groups that are running in Kosovo. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-kosovo/
10:12 TR Bot; Around The World: Kosovo - LinuxLinks
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10:14 TR News; "I was also struck by how one-to-one computing became less about this grassroots movement of these two teachers, and more about what the EdTech companies were promising." https://criticaledtech.com/2022/08/17/techno-scepticism-in-the-classroom-an-interview-with-marie-heath/
10:14 TR Bot; Techno-scepticism in the classroom (an interview withMarie Heath) Critical Studies of EDUCATION & TECHNOLOGY
10:15 TR News; "My fellow Americansif I may call you that? I've only been a US citizen for five weeks" https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/16/do-stuff-talk-about-it/#under-a-bushel
10:15 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 16 Aug 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
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10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:24 TR News; Calling everything "HEY HI" https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/ai-understand-human-goals
10:24 TR Bot; Computer scientists just developed a system for helping AI understand human goals
10:24 TR News; Artificial neuron swaps dopamine with rat brain cells like a real one | New Scientist https://www.newscientist.com/article/2332554-artificial-neuron-swaps-dopamine-with-rat-brain-cells-like-a-real-one/ Source: newscientist
10:24 TR Bot; Artificial neuron swaps dopamine with rat brain cells like a real one | New Scientist
10:25 TR News; Rebranding militarism/murder as "HEY HI" https://spectrum.ieee.org/marc-raibert-boston-dynamics-instutute
10:25 TR Bot; Q&A: Marc Raibert on the Boston Dynamics AI Institute - IEEE Spectrum
10:26 TR News; "I love the robots. Sometimes you find one that's got stuck so you help it and it says 'thank you'." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62007675
10:26 TR Bot; Are we falling in love with robots? - BBC News
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10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 71.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 77.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 99.25
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11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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11:49 TR News; Quantum annealing can beat classical computing in limited cases https://discover.lanl.gov/news/0816-quantum-annealing Source: discover | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//discover.lanl.gov/news/0816-quantum-annealing
11:49 TR Bot;
11:50 TR News; Stanford and NVIDIA researchers shrink VR headsets to regular glasses https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/stanford-and-nvidia-researchers-shrink-vr-headsets-to-regular-glasses
11:50 TR Bot; Stanford and NVIDIA researchers shrink VR headsets to regular glasses
11:50 TR News; Xiaomi Builds a Humanoid Robot for Some Reason https://spectrum.ieee.org/humanoid-robot-xiaomi-cyberone
11:50 TR Bot; Xiaomi Builds a Humanoid Robot for Some Reason - IEEE Spectrum
11:51 TR News; New network visualization tool maps information spread https://cnets.indiana.edu/blog/2022/07/27/new-network-visualization-tool-maps-information-spread/
11:51 TR Bot; New network visualization tool maps information spread | CNetS
11:51 TR News; CCNY-based team scripts breakthrough quantum algorithm https://www.ccny.cuny.edu/news/ccny-based-team-scripts-breakthrough-quantum-algorithm
11:51 TR Bot; CCNY-based team scripts breakthrough quantum algorithm | The City College of New York
11:53 TR News; China Breaks Record for Quantum Memory Entanglement Distance https://www.tomshardware.com/news/record-on-quantum-entanglement-at-a-distance-broken-pulling-in-the-timeline-for-a-quantum-internet "Two quantum memories were entangled while 12.5 km apart."
11:53 TR Bot; China Breaks Record for Quantum Memory Entanglement Distance | Tom's Hardware
11:55 TR News; "The device senses and wirelessly transmits signals related to pulse, sweat, and ultraviolet exposure, without bulky chips or batteries." https://news.mit.edu/2022/sensor-electronic-chipless-0818
11:55 TR Bot; Engineers fabricate a chip-free, wireless electronic skin | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology
11:57 TR News; "A new device, which doesnt rely on immunosuppressing drugs, may assist efforts to develop an artificial pancreas to treat diabetes." https://news.mit.edu/2022/design-prevents-buildup-scar-tissue-around-medical-implants-0805
11:57 TR Bot; Design prevents buildup of scar tissue around medical implants | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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11:58 TR News; "The longer version of this is in How we handle Ubuntu LTS versions." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/OurSlowServerTurnover
11:58 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/OurSlowServerTurnover
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12:00 TR News; Disk drive SMART attributes can go backward and otherwise be volatile https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SMARTAttributesVolatile
12:00 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/SMARTAttributesVolatile
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12:05 maxmoon; anyone here?
12:07 techuser; yes
12:07 techuser; don't ask to ask, just ask
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12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:22 maxmoon; I was watching the video on https://techrights.org/2022/01/08/gemini-and-gopher-compared/ and in the end there is a complain about Facebook & Co. but no explanation why it is bad? Like why is it bad that people (Zuckers) upload selfies of themselves to Facebook?
12:22 TR Bot; Gopher and Gemini Can Co-exist, Theyre Not the Same | Techrights
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12:28 TR News; Bootstrapping An {ojs} Quarto Document With An Observable Notebook | R-bloggers https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/bootstrapping-an-ojs-quarto-document-with-an-observable-notebook/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/bootstrapping-an-ojs-quarto-document-with-an-observable-notebook/
12:28 TR Bot; An {ojs} Quarto Document With An Observable Notebook | R-bloggers
12:29 TR News; "Data science is described as a dying field that will soon be supplanted by positions like data engineering and ML operations in some articles, while it is described as being replaced by tools like AutoML in others." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/is-data-science-a-dying-profession/
12:29 TR Bot; Data Science a Dying Profession? | R-bloggers
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12:30 TR News; The Image Model | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programmers https://www.sicpers.info/2022/08/the-image-model/ Source: SICP | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.sicpers.info/2022/08/the-image-model/
12:30 TR Bot; The Image Model | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programmers
12:31 TR News; More disposable garbage: Matter is almost here, so should you upgrade devices now or later? - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis https://staceyoniot.com/matter-is-almost-here-so-should-you-upgrade-devices-now-or-later/ Source: Stacey on IoT
12:31 TR Bot; Matter is almost here, so should you upgrade devices now or later? - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
12:34 TR News; "service that literally ships shit with a public promise of multiple kinds of animal shit whilst data that proves only horse shit was ever shipped, a promise of 100% anonymity whilst the data set clearly shows both shit-senders and shit-receivers" https://www.troyhunt.com/weekly-update-309/
12:34 TR Bot; Troy Hunt: Weekly Update 309
12:35 TR News; "That we travel more slowly, which is to say more humanely, and which will enable us to cut down on the greenhouse gas per unit of distance." https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/08/16/Slow-travel Source: Tim Bray | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/08/16/Slow-travel
12:35 TR Bot; ongoing by Tim Bray Slow Travel
12:36 TR News; "When we use it, it depletes a bit. When were distracted it quickly drains. And when were alone with our thoughts it replenishes." https://danielmiessler.com/blog/creativity-comes-from-idleness/ Source: Daniel Miessler | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//danielmiessler.com/blog/creativity-comes-from-idleness/
12:36 TR Bot; Creativity Comes from Idleness - Daniel Miessler
12:37 TR News; The names of disk drive SMART attributes are kind of made up (sadly) https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SMARTAttributeNamesMadeUp Source: uni Toronto | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SMARTAttributeNamesMadeUp
12:37 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/SMARTAttributeNamesMadeUp
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12:39 TR News; "What if everyone individuals, companies, etc., surfaced their outbound links in an open, accessible way which could then be aggregated in one source for querying?" https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/well-known-links-resource/ Source: Jim Nielsen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/well-known-links-resource/
12:39 TR Bot; A Well-Known Links Resource - Jim Nielsens Blog
12:40 TR News; The Australian Commodore 64 - LinuxJedis /dev/null https://linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/08/19/the-australian-commodore-64/ Source: Andrew Hutchings | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/08/19/the-australian-commodore-64/
12:40 TR Bot; The Australian Commodore 64 LinuxJedi's /dev/null
12:41 TR News; "Last week, however, we received a Flutter application where the script wouldnt work anymore." https://blog.nviso.eu/2022/08/18/intercept-flutter-traffic-on-ios-and-android-http-https-dio-pinning/ Source: NVISO Labs | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.nviso.eu/2022/08/18/intercept-flutter-traffic-on-ios-and-android-http-https-dio-pinning/
12:41 TR Bot; Intercept Flutter traffic on iOS and Android (HTTP/HTTPS/Dio Pinning) NVISO Labs
12:42 TR News; "JavaScripts double equals operator, ==, is typically discouraged." https://evanhahn.com/re-implementing-javascript-double-equals-in-javascript/ Source: Evan Hahn | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//evanhahn.com/re-implementing-javascript-double-equals-in-javascript/
12:42 TR Bot; Re-implementing JavaScript's == in JavaScript
12:43 TR News; Use Node built-ins to test small projects https://evanhahn.com/use-node-builtins-to-test-small-projects/ Source: Evan Hahn | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//evanhahn.com/use-node-builtins-to-test-small-projects/
12:43 TR Bot; Use Node built-ins to test small projects
12:44 TR News; "Go is under more or less continuous development (although the pace and nature of changes is different near releases)." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/GoDevelopmentTipResources Source: uni Toronto | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/GoDevelopmentTipResources
12:44 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/programming/GoDevelopmentTipResources
12:51 TR News; r300: merge ALU instructions writing different channels of the same destination using the constant swizzles (!17560) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17560
12:51 TR Bot; r300: merge ALU instructions writing different channels of the same destination using the constant swizzles (!17560) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
12:55 TR News; (NEW): Cloud Hypervisor v26.0 Released! https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Cloud_Hypervisor_v26_0_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Cloud_Hypervisor_v26_0_Released.gmi
12:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines Cloud Hypervisor v26.0 Released!
12:56 TR News; Somehow my email in emacs/wl shows right justified. Seems like some emails are detected as RTL language for some reason. Now how do I configure this..." https://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/daily/2022-Aug-21.html.en Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/daily/2022-Aug-21.html.en
12:56 TR Bot; Somehow my email in emacs/wl shows right justified.
12:58 MinceR; 21 033308 < DaemonFC> I don't know why Russians get special treatment as "Orcs".
12:58 MinceR; let's see
12:58 MinceR; they engage in nuclear terrorism
12:59 MinceR; they send untrained, unclothed, unequipped rabble to fight without telling them whom they're fighting
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 63.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 104.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 109.28
12:59 MinceR; they use chechens to fight for them, who are even more barbaric
12:59 MinceR; they execute genocides
13:00 MinceR; they beat down the hungarian revolution of 1848
13:00 MinceR; they occupied the eastern bloc and turned it into a bunch of stalinist dictatorships and crippled the minds of most people there
13:00 MinceR; then their empire fell apart because of marxist economy
13:01 MinceR; after recovering, the first thing they wanted to do was to reoccupy the same empire
13:01 MinceR; they're barbaric, evil, destructive, genocidal, terrorist scum that make the rest of humanity look good in comparison
13:04 schestowitz[TR]; why "orc"?
13:05 schestowitz[TR]; >> bunch of stalinist dictatorships and crippled the minds of most people there
13:05 schestowitz[TR]; they did the same domestically
13:05 schestowitz[TR]; but I think that's more to do with
13:05 schestowitz[TR]; them driving away people with a clue
13:05 schestowitz[TR]; and then, among those who remain, there's no infra to develop
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; so they dry up the productive element
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; and then make whatever stays even less productive
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; the "Death spiral"
13:06 MinceR; https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-ukrainians-calling-russian-invaders-orcs-
13:06 TR Bot; Why are Ukrainians calling Russian invaders 'orcs'? | The Spectator
13:07 MinceR; yes, driving away people who have a clue is one of the effects of marxist economics
13:07 MinceR; also of dictatorships in general
13:07 maxmoon; okay, this might be a too weird place to have a serious conversation. Bye...
13:08 schestowitz[TR]; it's off topic
13:08 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/today_s_howtos.gmi
13:08 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
13:10 TR News; A guide to swiftly managing your Kubernetes resources using K9s - Earthly Blog https://earthly.dev/blog/managing-k8s-with-k9s/ Source: Earthly | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//earthly.dev/blog/managing-k8s-with-k9s/
13:10 TR Bot; A guide to swiftly managing your Kubernetes resources using K9s - Earthly Blog
13:12 TR News; Re: The web is a harsh manager - Jim Nielsens Blog https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/re-web-harsh-manager/ Source: Jim Nielsen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/re-web-harsh-manager/
13:12 TR Bot; Re: The web is a harsh manager - Jim Nielsens Blog
13:13 MinceR; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/12/we-had-no-moral-right-to-attack-another-country
13:13 TR Bot; NO TITLE
13:14 psydroid2; you haven't even brought up a topic to have a serious conversation about nor engaged in any
13:14 psydroid2; so bye from all of us to you, I suppose
13:15 techuser; bye = kick/ban?
13:15 MinceR; "bye" = "i'm looking for the quit command in my irc client"
13:16 psydroid2; "bye" = "my feeble mind can't handle anything out of my comfort zone, so I must excuse myself and go and cry in the corner"
13:17 schestowitz[TR]; red hat did this to me
13:17 schestowitz[TR]; but worse
13:17 schestowitz[TR]; it tried to do collective quit
13:17 schestowitz[TR]; if I say something they don't like
13:17 schestowitz[TR]; or one person does not like
13:17 schestowitz[TR]; they will incite the whole lot gainst ,me
13:18 TR News; (NEW): I love my GPD Micro PC https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/I_love_my_GPD_Micro_PC.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/I_love_my_GPD_Micro_PC.gmi
13:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines I love my GPD Micro PC
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:30 TR News; C parser gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/2022-08-21-c-parser.gmi "Antimony describes itself as "a bullshit-free () programming language that gets out of your way"."
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13:31 TR News; Migrating Neovim config to Lua gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/08/21/migrating-neovim-config-to-lua/ "While I was at it, I also split up my config into many smaller files"
13:33 TR News; "I can relate 100% with them. I'm like a squirrel chasing new nuts every 5 seconds, almost as if the nuts I catch rot by the touch. It's completely irrational to take on so many things simultaneously, and yet, here we are." gemini://siiky.srht.site/kB45oC/re-brain_fart.gmi
13:34 TR News; "I just modified my gmi->md script to rewrite gemini:// links to the Gemini Portal. With only 8 new (readable) lines the HTTPS/HTML version of the capsule became that much user friendlier" gemini://siiky.srht.site/meta/portal.gmi
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13:48 TR News; Very disappointing that Debian lacks bearssl in the repo and gmni too. Alpine is better than Debian in this regard. I cannot even compile it.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; gmni -j always gemini://news.tuxmachines.org/ | head -n 1
13:52 TR News; Tradeoffs in API Design https://matt-rickard.com/tradeoffs-in-api-design Source: Matt Rickard | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//matt-rickard.com/tradeoffs-in-api-design
13:52 TR Bot; Tradeoffs in API Design
13:53 TR News; "Earlier this week I watched Alex Chan's Sans I/O programming talk. In the talk, Alex argues the importance of separating I/O and program logic, with reference to a situation where his team was unable to use already-available parsing libraries for BagIt data because said libraries depended on local access to a file." https://jamesg.blog/2022/08/05/io-and-logic/
13:53 TR Bot; connect to jamesg.blog:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://jamesg.blog/2022/08/05/io-and-logic/ )
13:54 TR News; "The most common approach to finding ways to improve a static analysis tool is to find bugs in code that the tool should have been able to find" https://blog.trailofbits.com/2022/08/17/using-mutants-to-improve-slither/ Source: Trail Of Bits | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.trailofbits.com/2022/08/17/using-mutants-to-improve-slither/
13:54 TR Bot; Using mutants to improve Slither | Trail of Bits Blog
13:55 TR News; "Not obvious development process is hard to document. I wanted to make changes to the nix program, but I didn't know how to try them." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-08-19-hacking-on-nix.html Source: Data Swamp | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-08-19-hacking-on-nix.html
13:55 TR Bot; Solene'% : How to hack on Nix and try your changes
13:57 TR News; "Collapse occurs, and can only occur, in a power vacuum, anthropologist Joseph Tainter writes in The Collapse of Complex Societies." https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/we-are-not-the-first-civilization
13:57 TR Bot; We Are Not the First Civilization to Collapse, But We Will Probably Be the Last
13:58 TR News; "The number of people affected by hunger globally rose to as many as 828 million in 2021, an increase of about 46 million since 2020 and 150 million since the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic (1), according to a United Nations report" https://www.who.int/news/item/06-07-2022-un-report--global-hunger-numbers-rose-to-as-many-as-828-million-in-2021
13:58 TR Bot; UN Report: Global hunger numbers rose to as many as 828 million in 2021
13:59 TR News; "He talks about how Tim Berners-Lee had a Next computer, but the Next computer was a machine that cost thousands of dollars and not everyone had thousands of dollars to spend on a computer (then or now, really)." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/web-diversity/ Source: Jim Nielsen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/web-diversity/
13:59 TR Bot; The Webs Diversity - Jim Nielsens Blog
14:07 MinceR; (nsfw) https://www.oglaf.com/introduced-species/
14:07 TR Bot; Introduced Species
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14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:28 psydroid2; bye from earth to max on the moon
14:29 MinceR; took them over an hour to quit
14:29 MinceR; not the brightest bulb in the bucket
14:29 psydroid2; quitting is hard
14:29 TR News; "My lifelong activism aimed at achieving social justice." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/a-new-approach-to-fairness-in-machine-learning/
14:30 TR Bot; New Approach to Fairness in Machine Learning | R-bloggers
14:31 schestowitz[TR]; maybe it's activelow?
14:31 schestowitz[TR]; putin's fan?
14:32 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.google.com/search?q=maxmoon+site%3Atechrights.org&ei=0wcCY-XOFOGGhbIP9NW5sAE&ved=0ahUKEwilhKLf29f5AhVhQ0EAHfRqDhYQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=maxmoon+site%3Atechrights.org&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwghEKABEAo6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOgUIABCABDoGCAAQHhAWOgUIIRCgAToICCEQHhAWEB1KBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFjaLWC0L2gAcAF4AIABjwGIAboPkgEEMTUuN5gBAKABAqABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
14:32 TR Bot; site:techrights.org - Google Search
14:32 schestowitz[TR]; no history in irc
14:33 schestowitz[TR]; "Max Moon Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz"
14:33 schestowitz[TR]; 2017
14:33 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/irc-log-techbytes-10092017.html#tSep%2014%2014:47:16
14:33 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: September 10th, 2017 September 16th, 2017
14:36 TR News; "R Consortium recently talked to Allan Miller with the East Bay R Language Enthusiasts Group about the groups history and success in environmental and health industries." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/from-novice-to-industry-professionals-the-east-bay-r-enthusiasts-welcomes-everyone/
14:36 TR Bot; Novice to Industry Professionals, the East Bay R Enthusiasts Welcomes Everyone | R-bloggers
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15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:47 TR News; Manjaro and EndeavourOS are like Ding Dongs and Zingers - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=p5FU5m_THGU | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/p5FU5m_THGU
15:47 TR Bot; Manjaro and EndeavourOS are like Ding Dongs and Zingers - Invidious
15:48 TR News; 210: GNOME, KDE, LibreOffice, Android 13, DEF CON, Krita, Spider-Man and more Linux news! https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-210/
15:48 TR Bot; GNOME, KDE, LibreOffice, Android 13, DEF CON, Krita, Spider-Man and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital
15:53 TR News; (NEW): Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, DistroTube, and GNU World Order https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Videos_Shows_This_Week_in_Linux_DistroTube_and_GNU_World_Order.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Videos_Shows_This_Week_in_Linux_DistroTube_and_GNU_World_Order.gmi
15:53 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, DistroTube, and GNU World Order
15:54 TR News; I have complicated feelings about TDD Buttondown https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/i-have-complicated-feelings-about-tdd-8403/ Source: Buttondown | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/i-have-complicated-feelings-about-tdd-8403/
15:54 TR Bot; I have complicated feelings about TDD Buttondown
15:57 TR News; "Ive shown my husband and my child how I can see everything that they ask Alexa in the app, something few people might realize that Alexa shares with the app owner." https://staceyoniot.com/can-the-ftc-restore-our-faith-in-technology/
15:57 TR Bot; Can the FTC restore our faith in technology? - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
15:58 TR News; "Australia prides itself on freedom of expression, yet we have the most draconian laws in the Western world. How can we uphold a free press when defamation law is having a chilling effect on our media and threatens to undermine the very foundations of investigative journalism?" https://michaelwest.com.au/so-sue-me-canberra-writers-festival/
15:58 TR Bot; So, Sue Me! @Canberra Writers Festival - Michael West
15:58 TR News; 1966 Children about future - neritam https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/08/17/1966-children-about-future/ Source: Neritam
15:58 TR Bot; 1966 Children about future neritam
16:09 TR News; (NEW): BTW, You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/BTW_You_Should_Use_Arch_And_why_you_should_consider_using_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/BTW_You_Should_Use_Arch_And_why_you_should_consider_using_Linux.gmi
16:09 TR Bot; Tux Machines BTW, You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux
16:10 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak/britney (offline) ^
16:14 TR News; (NEW): risiOS Review: A Friendly Fedora Spin with Distinctive Features https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/risiOS_Review_A_Friendly_Fedora_Spin_with_Distinctive_Features.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/risiOS_Review_A_Friendly_Fedora_Spin_with_Distinctive_Features.gmi
16:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines risiOS Review: A Friendly Fedora Spin with Distinctive Features
16:14 XRevan86; schestowitz: activelow is not a whiney type.
16:14 schestowitz[TR]; he is
16:14 schestowitz[TR]; he said "ENOUGH!"
16:14 schestowitz[TR]; and then left
16:14 XRevan86; Besides, heurek is still here.
16:14 schestowitz[TR]; because we insulted the nazis
16:15 XRevan86; schestowitz: That at least has a flair for the dramatic :)
16:17 TR News; "Large tech and finance companies have been doing this lately: 1. Announcing workers must return to the office full time, or face dismissal. 2. Reporting a loss, or lower than expected profits, and will need to cut staff. If only they had a convenient excuse. 3. (Bonus): Complaining about staff retention." https://rubenerd.com/wfh-being-used-to-dismiss-staff/
16:17 TR Bot; WFH being used to dismiss staff
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:20 TR News; How the HECK can theguardian publish this while BAGGING BRIBES FROM BILL GATES to tell us to worship that Famous Criminal??? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/24/britain-rich-poor-strike-breaking-government-grenfell-tower
16:20 TR Bot; Worship the rich, neglect the poor? Adam Smiths words still capture how power works | Kenan Malik | The Guardian
16:21 TR News; "I made the decision to visit DEFCON this year with some friends, which turned out to be an absolute blast. Here are some pictures of cool stuff that we took during our time there." https://blog.bithole.dev/blogposts/dc30/ Source: Adriaan Zhang | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.bithole.dev/blogposts/dc30/
16:21 TR Bot; DEFCON Photo Dump
16:22 TR News; Rubenerd: Former Australian Prime Minister Morrisons secret portfolios https://rubenerd.com/former-australian-prime-minister-morrisons-secret-portfolios/ Source: Ruben Schade | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rubenerd.com/former-australian-prime-minister-morrisons-secret-portfolios/
16:22 TR Bot; Former Australian Prime Minister Morrisons secret portfolios
16:23 TR News; GUINQSH Wordo: YAWPS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-21.gmi
16:26 TR News; "I am excited that these commands exist. All this time, I have been holding down arrow keys to navigate on the command line. I wonder what other shortcuts the terminal has that I can use!" https://jamesg.blog/2022/08/17/terminal-shortcuts/
16:26 TR Bot; TIL: Terminal shortcuts | James' Coffee Blog
16:28 TR News; "If you open a plain HTML document with no CSS and you focus an interactive element like a button, link, or textarea, youll see that by default browsers use the outline property to highlight these elements." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/focus-outline/ Source: Manuel Matuzovic | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/focus-outline/
16:28 TR Bot; outline is your friend - Manuel Matuzovi
16:49 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/21/a78619
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16:50 XRevan86; "Car Bomb Kills Daughter of Kremlin Hardline Ideologue"
16:51 MinceR; better try again and kill the father too
16:51 XRevan86; MinceR: That was clearly the target.
16:51 XRevan86; https://eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/21/7145314/ "Deutsche Welle Responded to Accusations of Ukrainian MFA and Asked Not to Compare Them with RT Anymore"
16:51 TR Bot; NO TITLE
16:53 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/MelaniePodolyak/status/1561358623464427522 hah
16:53 TR Bot; Podolyak (@MelaniePodolyak): "I get a lot of dissatisfied comments and bad feedback as I often criticize the collective West for knowing too little about Russia and Ukraine. Im sorry, but how can anyone doubt my criticism, when the largest Western media calls this insane fascist an influential writer?"|nitter.it
16:53 XRevan86; MinceR: But who would want to kill an influential writer? :)
16:54 TR News; Bluestar 5.19.2 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/
16:54 TR Bot; download | SourceForge.net
16:58 TR News; (NEW): Ubuntu May Drop To Do App from Default Install https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Ubuntu_May_Drop_To_Do_App_from_Default_Install.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Ubuntu_May_Drop_To_Do_App_from_Default_Install.gmi
16:58 TR Bot; Tux Machines Ubuntu May Drop To Do App from Default Install
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 112.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 103.96
17:01 MinceR; XRevan86: hopefully many people would
17:03 MinceR; https://www.oglaf.com/collider/
17:03 TR Bot; Collider
17:04 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/21/7364186/ Surprising no one.
17:04 TR Bot; ''Kyiv will shudder'': Russian propagandists demand strikes on decision-making centres | Ukrainska Pravda
17:06 CrystalMath; XRevan86: if this was america, those strikes would have finished off all the decision making centers on day 10
17:06 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/tsargradtv/status/1561288015770787841 "After the murder of Daria Platonova, our duty is to destroy the weapon of evil. Destroy Ukraine as a terrorist state. We cannot exist on the same land with Ukraine. It is impossible to co-exist with infernal evil."
17:06 TR Bot; (@tsargradtv): " . . .
17:06 CrystalMath; and every single bridge would have been destroyed, like they did here
17:07 CrystalMath; if you can compare different acts of interventionism, then you still come to the conclusion that russia is too merciful
17:07 XRevan86; No one knows who did the deed yet but TsargradTV and others are ready to destroy Ukraine already.
17:08 MinceR; presumably they were ready for years
17:08 XRevan86; "and every single bridge would have been destroyed, like they did here" <- Erm, Russia and Ukraine destroy bridges systemically.
17:08 CrystalMath; XRevan86: america is way faster at bridge destruction
17:08 CrystalMath; on average
17:08 CrystalMath; they also destroy civilian bridges in areas unrelated to their invasion
17:08 MinceR; "merciful" according to CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre
17:08 TR Bot; Bucha massacre - Wikipedia
17:09 CrystalMath; which russia has not done, all the bridges in Lvov still stand
17:09 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Erm, there were no battles in Lviv.
17:10 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
17:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers"
17:10 XRevan86; The war never reached that far west sans several missile strikes.
17:10 CrystalMath; XRevan86: america would have shot civilian targets with cruise missiles, like they did here
17:10 CrystalMath; like police stations in towns far away from the conflict
17:10 MinceR; BridgeLivesMatter
17:11 CrystalMath; 2,000 civilians were injured and 500 died in yugoslavia, all people who had nothing to do with the conflict
17:11 CrystalMath; and who lived very far from it
17:11 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Funny ye say that, I've learnt a lot about Russian cruise missiles lately.
17:11 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
17:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
17:11 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i've seen the wreckage of one myself
17:11 CrystalMath; not a russian one, but an american one
17:11 CrystalMath; in a police station building, very very far from kosovo
17:11 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Tenths of thousands of civilians have been murdered in these half a year.
17:12 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_hospital_airstrike
17:12 TR Bot; Mariupol hospital airstrike - Wikipedia
17:12 CrystalMath; XRevan86: well idk, ukraine has maybe stepped things up, but they were murdering civilians since 2014
17:12 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike
17:12 TR Bot; Mariupol theatre airstrike - Wikipedia
17:12 CrystalMath; starting with the odessa massacre
17:13 CrystalMath; MinceR: strange how the strikes on the oil rafinery, the maternity hospital, and other places in yugoslavia do not get their own wikipedia page
17:13 XRevan86; Sure, let's bring up the event of two armed groups going insane like that's even barely comparable to anything that Russia has done.
17:13 MinceR; maybe your comrades can't afford to fund the web brigades anymore
17:14 CrystalMath; XRevan86: you know what's interesting? even if all the western lies about russia were true, it would still never compare to what america has done
17:14 TR News; Links 21/08/2022: Kaisen 2.2 RC1 and Cloud Hypervisor 26.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/kaisen-2-2-rc1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/kaisen-2-2-rc1/
17:14 TR Bot; Links 21/08/2022: Kaisen 2.2 RC1 and Cloud Hypervisor 26.0 | Techrights
17:14 CrystalMath; like, the *alleged* russian war crimes vs *proven* american war crimes, it's no comparison, it's like a speck of dust compared to the sun
17:15 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Alleged, eh?
17:15 CrystalMath; remember Assange? he published the details of americans slaughtering civilians in iraq and afghanistan
17:15 CrystalMath; remember Abu Graib torture prison?
17:15 schestowitz[TR]; but... women... something
17:16 CrystalMath; how do i even count america's war crimes? they would fill up the channel before we get to half
17:16 CrystalMath; starting from hiroshima and nagasaki
17:16 XRevan86; MinceR: Does this count as whataboutism? I can't tell.
17:16 CrystalMath; XRevan86: so you believe that one side should just sit quietly while another commits horrifying acts of violence?
17:16 CrystalMath; that would only lead to world domination of the most evil force
17:16 MinceR; \_()_/
17:17 CrystalMath; which is exactly what you and MinceR wanta
17:17 CrystalMath; *want
17:17 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I can't help but live in the present though.
17:17 CrystalMath; XRevan86: so we should just forget the horrifying acts of violence that lead to the most evil force taking over a huge part of the world?
17:17 schestowitz[TR]; when it comes to war crimes, USA is the undisputed champion, but it controls most of the media, esp. in English
17:17 MinceR; IME it's whataboutism if reasonable do it, never if fascists do it
17:17 CrystalMath; what about the people still enslaved by them?
17:17 MinceR; everything is allowed to fascists
17:17 schestowitz[TR]; whwn russia bombs a hospital it's barbarism
17:17 CrystalMath; thankfully, MASHALLAH, afghanistan is now free of them
17:18 schestowitz[TR]; when the US does it it is an accident
17:18 CrystalMath; but iraq still isn't
17:18 MinceR; s/ble/ble people/
17:18 CrystalMath; XRevan86: the US is *still* sitting in iraq, a seat they won through horrifying acts of violence
17:18 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Why is "freedom" so miserable to the Afghani?
17:19 MinceR; i missed the part where unrelated usian acts somehow justify orcish war crimes in ukraine
17:19 MinceR; but that must be because i wasn't paying enough attention
17:19 XRevan86; Is it necessary for freedom to have an iron boot that sits on the neck of every civilian?
17:19 CrystalMath; XRevan86: that's what people said after black slaves were freed in america (not that i condone the northern aggression, but slaves should have been freed, and they would have been even if it had not happened)
17:19 MinceR; XRevan86: to CrystalMath, only the "freedom" of dictators matters
17:19 CrystalMath; XRevan86: afghanistan is of course miserable because america made them dependent on them during their rule
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
17:20 MinceR; religious fundamentalists in afghanistan, dictators in russia, red china and north korea, those people deserve to have "freedom"
17:20 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Definitely not because they're not allowed to listen to music, among other things.
17:20 CrystalMath; would you laugh at a homeless woman who ran away from her abusive husband?
17:20 CrystalMath; didn't i post some taliban-made music here?
17:20 MinceR; the freedom of the billions of slaves they torture every day do not count, they exist merely for the amusement of the people who matter.
17:21 CrystalMath; anyway, so you would basically say "look at that woman, ha, she is so miserable now, bet she regrets leaving her abusive husband"
17:22 MinceR; of course all this follows naturally from the "conservatives"' idea of "freedom"
17:22 XRevan86; It's more like the husband left home and the woman was immediately kidnapped.
17:22 XRevan86; She's more happy this way.
17:23 TR News; Why is the cosmos the theme of Gemini? gemini://szczezuja.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-08-21-Why-is-the-cosmos-the-theme-of-Gemini.gmi
17:23 CrystalMath; XRevan86: america made afghanistan dependent on them, with 80% of the money coming solely from aid
17:23 CrystalMath; XRevan86: and then they robbed them, too
17:23 CrystalMath; stole 7 billion
17:24 schestowitz[TR]; while giving 22 more to Microsoft
17:24 schestowitz[TR]; "We stole your whole countries' savings here"
17:24 schestowitz[TR]; "and we bail out criminals" (Microsoft)
17:24 schestowitz[TR]; to the tune of more than 3 times that much
17:24 schestowitz[TR]; under the guise of "mdefense"
17:25 schestowitz[TR]; choosing between USA and Russia is like choosing to be raped by azog or that other ugly creature from LOTR
17:26 XRevan86; CrystalMath: So what brought Afghanistan down wasn't that they couldn't defend themselves against Taliban?
17:26 CrystalMath; XRevan86: they *are* the taliban
17:26 schestowitz[TR]; Bolg
17:26 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dncbRcjKXyc
17:26 TR Bot; BOLG* The Son of Azog - The Hobbit - Invidious
17:26 XRevan86; And *I* was Putin all along .
17:27 CrystalMath; the problem with your viewpoint, and MinceR's, is that you absolutely believe without allowing any doubt, that liberalism is the only right way to live
17:27 MinceR; lol
17:27 CrystalMath; because if you even consider the possibility that liberalism is harmful, you realize that countries should not be forced to be dependent on others
17:27 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I believe in that the government should be accountable to the people.
17:27 CrystalMath; but do you ever doubt that, even once?
17:27 XRevan86; If that's called liberalism, then yes, I do believe that.
17:27 CrystalMath; i doubt what i think sometimes
17:27 MinceR; CrystalMath: i'm interested in the freedom of people, not in the freedom of countries.
17:28 CrystalMath; MinceR: but do you ever doubt that it's good?
17:28 CrystalMath; i think not
17:28 XRevan86; "because if you even consider the possibility that liberalism is harmful, you realise that countries should not be forced to be dependent on its citizens"
17:28 CrystalMath; while i do
17:28 MinceR; good on you
17:28 CrystalMath; i want there to exist places which do things differently
17:28 CrystalMath; if nothing else, to have a "control group"
17:28 MinceR; "i believe in statist authoritarian nonsense but it's ok because i claim to doubt it sometimes"
17:29 CrystalMath; MinceR: no, but i would gladly allow a small piece of land to have such a system to test it, because i don't *know* that what i think is good is better than that
17:29 CrystalMath; because we don't know what is good
17:29 MinceR; ooh, how generous
17:29 XRevan86; I live in a place where it is thought that a person has a duty to the government, but there's no opposite thought.
17:29 MinceR; a small piece of land!
17:29 CrystalMath; MinceR: yes, for example afghanistan
17:29 MinceR; who gives a shit about the suffering of people when the land is all that matters.
17:29 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I am sick of this corrupt shit.
17:30 MinceR; CrystalMath: afghanistan is a tiny fragment of the land where authoritarian monsters rule
17:30 MinceR; and probably isn't even the worst example
17:30 CrystalMath; MinceR: we do not know if they are monsters, how do you know you are better than them?
17:30 CrystalMath; i personally don't think you are
17:30 CrystalMath; you would oppress people in different ways
17:30 MinceR; i use my central nervous system
17:30 XRevan86; MinceR: How do ye know ye are better than Putin?
17:30 MinceR; i think about things
17:30 CrystalMath; you would probably take away my right to incandecent lightbulbs and leaded solder, among other things
17:30 XRevan86; Very arrogant of you, MinceR, tsk-tsk.
17:30 MinceR; with that, it's easy to know that they are monsters
17:30 MinceR; and it's easy to know that i'm better than them
17:30 CrystalMath; XRevan86: you can't ever know that, because there is no objective good or bad
17:31 CrystalMath; so no, you are not better than Putin objectively, because it's impossible to be better or worse objectively
17:31 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Maybe we can make a count of how many people Putin and MinceR tried to poison and then go from there.
17:31 MinceR; > there is no objective good or bad
17:31 MinceR; so what the hell are you arguing for?
17:31 CrystalMath; MinceR: diversity!
17:31 CrystalMath; diversity of thought, diversity of systems
17:32 MinceR; where's the diversity between all the systems of oppression you support?
17:32 CrystalMath; MinceR: the systems of oppression you support would exist too, of course
17:32 MinceR; where's the thought in the bullshit orban and his allies spout?
17:32 MinceR; like the recent racist idiocy
17:32 MinceR; 21 183235 < CrystalMath> MinceR: the systems of oppression you support would exist too, of course
17:32 MinceR; that's the empty set
17:33 CrystalMath; MinceR: you support the EU, which is oppressive
17:33 MinceR; CrystalMath: why do you argue for diversity?
17:33 XRevan86; Can there be diversity *inside* Russia or is it only allowed for Russia itself to be divergent in how backwards it is?
17:33 MinceR; i prefer the EU to orbanistan
17:33 MinceR; other than that, it's failing hard
17:33 CrystalMath; it wants to ban the consumption of meat, leaded solder (which is the only good kind), incandescent lightbulbs, petrol engines (the only ones not remotely controlled by Tesla)....
17:33 MinceR; the EU has some nice alleged values, but either they don't care to uphold them, or are too incompetent to do so
17:33 XRevan86; Also, how diversive can an iron boot even be?
17:34 MinceR; where's the diversity of thought in a totalitarian dictatorship?
17:34 MinceR; where's the diversity of thought where people are thrown in gulag for expressing dissent?
17:34 XRevan86; CrystalMath is robbed of the ncandecent lightbulb, I am a potential felon for even talking about this.
17:34 CrystalMath; MinceR: yeah like people arrested for quoting the bible at a pride parade
17:34 CrystalMath; MinceR: shame on germany
17:34 MinceR; pretty sure we have incandescent lightbulbs
17:34 XRevan86; One is slavery, the other is true freedom, don't mistake one for the other.
17:35 MinceR; CrystalMath: why do you argue for diversity?
17:35 CrystalMath; MinceR: if you quote the bible, you are "intolerant" and thrown in to the gulag
17:35 CrystalMath; MinceR: because no system is right
17:35 MinceR; CrystalMath: so how can you be sure that diversity is right?
17:35 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/21/drag-queen-and-chechen-veteran-bomba-kibersisi-made-to-apologise-on-camera-for-singing-russian-anthem-while-holding-lgbt-flag-news "Drag queen and Chechen veteran Bomba Kibersisi made to apologise on camera for singing Russian anthem while holding LGBT flag"
17:35 TR Bot; .
17:35 CrystalMath; MinceR: since the alternative would mean that one system would rule over all
17:35 CrystalMath; MinceR: this would be bad because no system is right, of course
17:35 MinceR; also, can they hurry up and throw the members of the CDU and the CSU in that gulag already?
17:36 CrystalMath; so, the one ruling system would necesarily be bad
17:36 MinceR; > this would be bad
17:36 XRevan86; There were several instances when quotes from the Bible on a banner got considered discreditation of the Russian army.
17:36 MinceR; > there is no objective good or bad
17:36 CrystalMath; MinceR: it's a paradox, one that is only resolved by accepting diversity
17:36 MinceR; please make up your tiny mind.
17:36 MinceR; quotes from the bible could discredit anything, the bible being an inconsistent mess
17:37 CrystalMath; MinceR: yes but it should not be banned
17:37 CrystalMath; and people should not be arrested for reading it
17:37 MinceR; agreed
17:37 MinceR; and i doubt it's done anywhere
17:37 MinceR; except possibly in states run by religious fundamentalists
17:37 MinceR; for example, i doubt the talibans you support would take too kindly to anyone quoting the new testament.
17:37 CrystalMath; well i didn't say i want to invade germany, i just want to say that all systems are equally bad, and so we need a diversity of systems
17:38 CrystalMath; germany could even choose to jail people who are christian and i would not invade them
17:38 XRevan86; MinceR: That's a euphemism for "execution"?
17:38 CrystalMath; it's none of my business
17:38 MinceR; XRevan86: the exact punishment is irrelevant to my point
17:38 MinceR; there is no religious freedom in religious fundamentalist states
17:39 CrystalMath; MinceR: the solution isn't to eradicate islam, the solution is to give islam a little piece of territory, and also every other idea gets some territory too, then we can try all the ideas
17:39 MinceR; no, that's not the solution
17:39 MinceR; the solution is to tolerate muslims as long as they tolerate other people
17:39 MinceR; it's part of a little thing called "civilization"
17:39 MinceR; it's about time this species gave it a try.
17:39 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Rats get better treatment.
17:40 CrystalMath; unfortunately, people attack eachother, we can choose to not be imperialists ourselves, but what about the imperialists who are around? my solution for that is for them to be countered by competing empires
17:40 CrystalMath; a multipolar world can keep the individual empires at bay
17:40 MinceR; my solution for that is to destroy the imperialists
17:40 XRevan86; Also sucks that Russia disagrees with CrystalMath.
17:40 MinceR; and abolish the states
17:40 XRevan86; And when Ukraine strayed away, Putin decided that it's time to do something about them.
17:40 MinceR; XRevan86: it's ok, they're special so they get a pass.
17:40 CrystalMath; XRevan86: Putin is constantly talking about a multipolar world
17:40 MinceR; putler is constantly lying
17:40 MinceR; so what else is new?
17:41 CrystalMath; Dugin also talked about a multipolar world, in his book
17:41 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I will give you a piece of absolute truth right now:
17:41 MinceR; dugin is also constantly lying
17:41 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Putin's approach to speeches is he will construct a narrative that will work in his favour and then he will try to sell it.
17:41 CrystalMath; MinceR: well idk, they are at least saying nice things... the EU and Klaus Schwab are saying horrible things
17:42 XRevan86; MinceR: Don't know, Dugin is pretty much just insane.
17:42 MinceR; CrystalMath: maybe to you they seem to be nice things
17:42 CrystalMath; MinceR: yes, i want there to be different cultures that do things differently
17:42 MinceR; XRevan86: it's an insanity putler and orban are fond of, though
17:42 CrystalMath; i want the taliban to be free from external influence
17:42 CrystalMath; people who live with them have the option to leave, or live under their rules; like everywhere else...
17:42 MinceR; CrystalMath: again, a small cult oppressing tens of millions of people is not "a culture doing things differently"
17:43 CrystalMath; it's not like i can move to america and then disrespect copyright law
17:43 MinceR; i want the taliban to be free from the ability to run other people's lives
17:43 CrystalMath; MinceR: what about a cult trying to oppress 7 billion people?
17:43 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Putin wants his "Russian World" where he can tell the satellite states what to do.
17:43 CrystalMath; MinceR: how do you never doubt your own view?
17:43 MinceR; CrystalMath: pretty much every cult is that
17:43 MinceR; CrystalMath: my views are not based on equivocation, they're based on thought
17:44 CrystalMath; so, you see that people are different in this world, and have vastly different ideas and beliefs?
17:44 CrystalMath; you want to take one idea, liberalism
17:44 CrystalMath; and you want to make sure that anyone who has contrary ideas has no power
17:44 CrystalMath; that's called IMPERIALISM
17:44 MinceR; yes, most people are different from what one would call intelligent or civilized
17:45 MinceR; CrystalMath: do you think that because you haven't given your idea a name, it's not an ideology?
17:45 XRevan86; "so, you see that people are different in this world, and have vastly different ideas and beliefs?" <- Like Ukrainians who by and large want Putin gone?
17:45 CrystalMath; XRevan86: what about the people of the donbass who want to be free from the Kiev junta?
17:46 MinceR; XRevan86: what about the people of the donbass who want to be free from russian oppression?
17:46 CrystalMath; MinceR: you are now using precisely britain's imperialist language, btw
17:46 XRevan86; CrystalMath: In 8 years all they want is to be left in one piece.
17:46 MinceR; english?
17:46 CrystalMath; MinceR: those already left
17:46 MinceR; ooh
17:46 MinceR; there's the solution
17:46 MinceR; too bad your allies don't like it
17:46 MinceR; if they did, there would have been no iron curtain and no berlin wall
17:46 CrystalMath; MinceR: anyway... i meant this.. you are using the words like "civilized"
17:46 MinceR; how dare i use english words
17:46 MinceR; i should type in hungarian
17:47 MinceR; i'm sure you'd understand it to the same extent.
17:47 CrystalMath; yes but that's what the british empire uses to describe people who have their ideas
17:47 CrystalMath; you are quoting their jingoistic texts
17:47 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Ironically, this "liberation" invasion has put these exact people in significantly more danger than they ever were before 2022.
17:47 MinceR; i don't care for the british empire, and i'm pretty sure they had no clue what civilization is
17:47 MinceR; i'm not quoting anyone
17:47 MinceR; do you see quote marks?
17:47 XRevan86; That certainly hasn't boosted anyone's morale.
17:47 CrystalMath; MinceR: here is their white supremacist bullcrap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man's_Burden
17:47 TR Bot; The White Man's Burden - Wikipedia
17:48 CrystalMath; MinceR: "our system is civilized, the others are barbarians, we should invade them and save them by enforcing our ideas"
17:48 MinceR; i see the ruscist maneuver of "i'll tell you what you're saying"
17:48 MinceR; we don't have a civilized system
17:48 XRevan86; And "DPR"/"LPR" are scum.
17:48 MinceR; we have people taking personal costs to harm other people on a daily basis
17:48 CrystalMath; this is a sickening imperialist sentence: <@MinceR> yes, most people are different from what one would call intelligent or civilized
17:48 MinceR; that is not civilization, that's the human condition
17:48 MinceR; i see the truth sickens you
17:48 MinceR; too fucking bad
17:48 CrystalMath; XRevan86: why?
17:48 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i think they are nice people
17:49 CrystalMath; MinceR: so who is civilized? some kind of god?
17:49 MinceR; but it will be even worse when your uncivilized and unintelligent collective behavior finally dooms your species.
17:49 CrystalMath; or just you and your liberal clique?
17:49 MinceR; i don't have a clique, sadly
17:49 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Nice people who robbed their own regions? Then mobilised every man walking (that's more true of "LPR" than "DPR").
17:49 CrystalMath; yes you do, Klaus Schwab is with you
17:49 XRevan86; Luhansk is the city of women.
17:49 MinceR; no, he is not
17:49 MinceR; klaus schwab wants me to not own propety
17:49 MinceR; s/ety/erty/
17:49 MinceR; fuck him.
17:49 CrystalMath; MinceR: it's better for the climate
17:49 CrystalMath; just like eating bugs
17:50 MinceR; no, it is not better for the climate
17:50 CrystalMath; idk, i heard liberals are very pissed when someone strays from their hardline ideology...
17:50 MinceR; what would be better for the climate are things humans won't be willing to do
17:50 CrystalMath; so make sure they don't find out you said you want to own property
17:50 MinceR; and so the species will go extinct
17:50 MinceR; that's not liberalism, then
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17:51 MinceR; neither classical nor social
17:51 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/MoFYXKgr8Bo a nice person
17:51 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=MoFYXKgr8Bo
17:51 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=MoFYXKgr8Bo )
17:52 XRevan86; (a Hero of Russia and "DPR")
17:52 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/SabpNMZQBZc I don't know why they even filmed this stuff.
17:52 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=SabpNMZQBZc
17:52 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | - Invidious
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17:55 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsen_Pavlov#Death a fate which is to be expected
17:55 TR Bot; Arsen Pavlov - Wikipedia
17:58 CrystalMath; XRevan86: as far as i understand, they are just ukrainians who hate the european union
17:58 CrystalMath; and so since we have the same enemy, i like them
18:02 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I eat babies but I do it with hate towards the EU, want to be friends?
18:02 XRevan86; Also consider how diverse that is.
18:02 XRevan86; Baby eating is frowned upon and oppressed.
18:03 XRevan86; (disclaimer: this is role playing in the context, I don't actually eat babies)
18:03 CrystalMath; i mean, i defend cultures that throw people into volcanoes to appease a volcano god, i say they should not be invaded
18:04 CrystalMath; i say they should be allowed to continue doing this until they themselves realize there is no volcano god
18:04 CrystalMath; and the only allowed interference is non-violent
18:04 CrystalMath; so, giving them books, etc...
18:04 CrystalMath; if you bomb them to stop the throwing of people into volcanoes, you're a monster
18:05 CrystalMath; this is what i actually believe, there is no point at which you may be violent to another culture that is not being violent to you
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18:06 XRevan86; CrystalMath: What happens when a culture is violent?
18:06 XRevan86; and a culture to which that other culture is violet to asks for help?
18:06 MinceR; 21 190331 < XRevan86> (disclaimer: this is role playing in the context, I don't actually eat babies)
18:07 MinceR; they won't quote this line on shitter
18:07 XRevan86; MinceR: Heh.
18:08 CrystalMath; MinceR: as if twitter would take my side over XRevan86's or yours...
18:08 MinceR; it's not your side over ours, it's the corporate SJW's side over TR's
18:08 XRevan86; s/twitter/humanity/g
18:08 CrystalMath; XRevan86: actually, i think most of the world likes the diversity of thought
18:09 MinceR; i think most of the word likes the lack of thought
18:09 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Most of the world doesn't like dictators.
18:09 CrystalMath; the vast majority of the world is religious, with MANY different religions, it's human to be different
18:09 MinceR; and there isn't much diversity in that
18:09 MinceR; religion is not thought
18:09 MinceR; and apparently it's human to exterminate one's own species
18:10 CrystalMath; i especially like north sentinel island
18:12 CrystalMath; we need the world to have more of that, people choosing to separate themselves completely from all others
18:13 CrystalMath; we are not all the same, we are different, and we deserve to have different ideas and beliefs
18:14 XRevan86; CrystalMath: But only if those ideas are against the EU?
18:15 CrystalMath; XRevan86: well the EU has the idea that everybody must be conquered and enslaved in the name of liberalism
18:15 CrystalMath; so of course, we must seek to stop the EU from succeeding, in order to attain this diversity
18:16 CrystalMath; everybody should be against imperialists, but... we also have to acknowledge that they exist, so i believe in having different empires that are in a stalemate
18:16 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Well Russia has the idea that everybody must be conquered and enslaved in the name of the Russian World; so of course, we must seek to stop Russia from succeeding, in order to attain this diversity
18:17 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i truly don't think it has such an idea, but i mean, such an idea is again impossible because of the existence of the US, EU, and china
18:17 XRevan86; "i truly don't think it has such an idea" <- Holy crap.
18:18 XRevan86; CrystalMath: It's been proclaimed a billion times.
18:18 CrystalMath; XRevan86: does russia consider the UK a part of the russian world?
18:18 XRevan86; Do ye have bavolna in your ears?
18:18 XRevan86; CrystalMath: It's more of an adjacent territories thing.
18:19 CrystalMath; XRevan86: so, it's about russians having a right to be separate from the EU
18:19 CrystalMath; which is trying to push itself onto them
18:19 XRevan86; CrystalMath: No, it's about having control over the neighbours.
18:19 CrystalMath; the EU is expanding eastward, and has been for 30 years
18:19 CrystalMath; you don't seem to care about that, though
18:19 CrystalMath; when the EU expands, that's fine
18:19 CrystalMath; but when russia expands to south ossetia, that's wrong
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18:20 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I am yet to see the EU use the military to expand.
18:20 XRevan86; It's all application this, application that, extremely boring.
18:20 XRevan86; Where's the fun?
18:20 CrystalMath; and again that is probably based on "everybody LOVES liberalism, they are just begging to be put in the padded prison of political correctness!"
18:21 CrystalMath; like how Moldova had 3 elections, every time the pro-russians won, and every time there was a revolution
18:21 CrystalMath; so non-violent, this EU...
18:21 XRevan86; When the methodologists proposed the idea of the Russian World, they thought of Russia as using its economical influence to shape the world.
18:21 XRevan86; But somewhere along the way it turned into "let's undermine our neighbours so that they do what we told them".
18:21 CrystalMath; it's interesting how the people vote for pro-russians, and then some armed people storm the government to push it back on the EU track
18:21 CrystalMath; but that's not violent, no
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18:22 CrystalMath; XRevan86: the EU is very, very violent, it just doesn't use its military, it funds terrorists
18:22 techuser; tuxmachines now?
18:22 techuser; was gamingonlinux
18:22 techuser; you are worsening
18:23 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: so you never use proprietary software I take it...?
18:24 heureka; CrystalMath: soviet regime left a blood trail in history too
18:24 techuser; I sometimes do
18:24 techuser; but you promote it
18:25 XRevan86; If only Hitler were here to oppose the EU, amirite?
18:25 heureka; unrelated to recent events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
18:25 TR Bot; The Black Book of Communism - Wikipedia
18:30 TR News; Why Manchester City can't win the Champions League https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CqskvKhA5eA very funny and true
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18:33 CrystalMath; XRevan86: nah, Hitler was its founder
18:33 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Wow, that's a twist.
18:34 CrystalMath; yes, the monstrous idea of european unification is his idea
18:41 CrystalMath; he also believed there are two kinds of people: those who believe in his ideology, and those who deserve to be banished or exterminated
18:42 CrystalMath; just like the people i argue with here...
18:42 CrystalMath; let's not forget that while i would permit liberalism to exist in a part of the world, you would NOT permit any other system to exist ANYWHERE in the world, possibly not even the universe
18:42 XRevan86; CrystalMath: "And *I* was Putin all along ." <- I am not actually Putin.
18:44 XRevan86; If I were I'd find a play for you in the Navalny's Labour Union.
18:44 XRevan86; * a place
18:46 CrystalMath; perhaps it's a mistake to let liberalism exist, after all, they would not permit me to exist
18:47 CrystalMath; but if liberals can be controlled, and beaten if they ever try to "save" anyone ever again, then they can live they way they want, why not
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18:52 MinceR; 21 191058 < CrystalMath> i especially like north sentinel island
18:53 MinceR; i wonder how well you'll like it when it's under the ocean
18:53 MinceR; 21 191518 < CrystalMath> XRevan86: well the EU has the idea that everybody must be conquered and enslaved in the name of liberalism
18:53 MinceR; that's funny
18:53 MinceR; every member of the EU joined voluntarily
18:53 MinceR; none of the territories the orcish empire annexed did
18:53 MinceR; neither did the eastern bloc after ww2
18:54 MinceR; and yet it's the orcs and their fans that are screaming "imperialism" every fucking minute
18:54 MinceR; 21 191905 < CrystalMath> XRevan86: so, it's about russians having a right to be separate from the EU
18:54 MinceR; then don't join the EU?
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18:55 XRevan86; MinceR: But Ukraine is on course of eurointegration, so they must be invaded to stop that.
18:55 MinceR; right
18:55 MinceR; funny how this self-determination and diversity works
18:56 MinceR; apparently, people have no rights, and countries have rights only to oppress and torture people
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18:56 XRevan86; MinceR: As long as it's against the EU it's all fair game.
18:56 MinceR; right
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18:56 XRevan86; MinceR: And all the crimes are alleged.
18:57 XRevan86; Even when they are filmed.
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18:57 XRevan86; Or especially then.
18:57 XRevan86; MinceR: Just look at what the EU made us do! Disgusting!
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18:58 XRevan86; Usually it's "NATO" but CrystalMath has his own twist on the story.
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18:59 CrystalMath; XRevan86: russia does not intend to stop all of the ukraine from joining the EU, just the part that doesn't want it
19:00 CrystalMath; which the other part attacked first
19:00 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Like Kherson?
19:00 MinceR; CrystalMath: like kyiv?
19:00 CrystalMath; well i know the donbass and crimea absolutely don't want to join the EU, Kherson was probably taken to stop attacks on these areas
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19:00 MinceR; (do i need to remind you that your favorite orcish horde also tried to destroy kyiv?)
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19:01 XRevan86; MinceR: Never happened, the "gesture of good will" restroactively erased the past ambitions from history.
19:01 CrystalMath; MinceR: i don't really know about military tactics and things like that
19:01 MinceR; i don't know why people even have referenda, when oracles like CrystalMath already know what the people want
19:01 MinceR; CrystalMath: there are many things you do not know about, but does that stop you from trying to educate others?
19:02 XRevan86; "Kherson was probably taken to stop attacks on these areas" <- https://memegenerator.net/img/images/15803187.jpg
19:02 CrystalMath; anyway, "every member of the EU joined voluntarily" is maybe true for the countries that filled it up by the 90s
19:02 XRevan86; CrystalMath is a born comedian.
19:03 heureka; i never agreed to join EU, never was asked, and the three "currency reforms" of EU were imposed against my will too
19:03 CrystalMath; heureka: when did your country join?
19:03 heureka; CrystalMath: never, it was colonized, east-germany, after 1990
19:03 CrystalMath; ah, yes, so indeed you were forced by violence
19:03 CrystalMath; that's very sad :(
19:04 MinceR; hungary was a republic when it joined, with a real referendum, and despite ruscist propaganda from fideath, it still enjoys the support of the majority
19:04 XRevan86; The Berlin wall was violently demolished, yes.
19:04 heureka; CrystalMath: no violence, they chose expropriations of the inhabitants
19:04 MinceR; also a hilarious idea
19:04 heureka; this was the method of EU and the west
19:04 CrystalMath; heureka: well that is also violence
19:04 XRevan86; Must be the EU infiltrators that destroyed the Wall.
19:05 MinceR; apparently everything is violence except actual violence
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19:05 CrystalMath; MinceR: do you, like, ever criticize the liberal world for its invasions, i wonder... even once?
19:05 XRevan86; MinceR: The strange thing is that when I made ludicrious claims for comedic purposes, it helps me fit in.
19:05 CrystalMath; i criticize soviet russia for invading afghanistan, that was wrong
19:06 MinceR; CrystalMath: probably, if they were mentioned
19:06 heureka; XRevan86: well, who occupied Germany?
19:06 XRevan86; Must be a form of Poe's Law.
19:06 CrystalMath; MinceR: do you criticize the US invasion of afghanistan?
19:06 MinceR; CrystalMath: but in the first place, i'd like for a liberal world to actually exist
19:06 MinceR; instead of a slightly less shitty part of the world
19:06 XRevan86; heureka: First I must ask if "internal occupation" in your vocabulary.
19:06 CrystalMath; MinceR: do you criticize the US invasion of afghanistan?
19:07 MinceR; CrystalMath: i probably already did
19:07 heureka; CrystalMath rarely speaks here, hence i don't want to interrupt him XRevan86
19:07 MinceR; interesting how that works
19:07 CrystalMath; MinceR: okay, good, but you seem to struggle to say it, as if somehow you were kinda happy about the idea of people being killed because their culture involves women wearing burqas
19:07 MinceR; someone must always flood the channel with ruscist nonsense
19:07 MinceR; but it's ok if it's only 1 person at a time
19:08 MinceR; CrystalMath: i'm no fan of the taliban either
19:08 CrystalMath; MinceR: but at least you agree they should not be killed by outside invaders?
19:08 MinceR; CrystalMath: also, islamist "culture" involves doing far worse things to women than that, though i'm sure your "thought" leaders aren't bragging about it right now
19:08 CrystalMath; MinceR: it is not my place to tell them what to do
19:08 MinceR; only when they must incide hatred against refugees
19:09 MinceR; lol
19:09 CrystalMath; i can say what *I* would do
19:09 MinceR; it must be nice to be someone to whom it is not your place to tell what to do
19:09 CrystalMath; and i can say, i wouldn't do that
19:09 MinceR; it's a small and elite club
19:09 CrystalMath; it seems like about half of the whole world would rather force the taliban to live in ways contrary to their ideas and beliefs
19:10 MinceR; i'd prefer to just kill them
19:10 CrystalMath; that half includes the evil atlantic empire (US, Canada, UK, western europe, and its outskirts new zealand and australia
19:10 MinceR; they can't tolerate anyone else living in freedom anyway
19:10 XRevan86; Maybe most of the Afghanis would like to force the Taliban to live in ways contrary to their ideas and beliefs.
19:10 CrystalMath; <@MinceR> i'd prefer to just kill them <- so you're a murderer?
19:10 XRevan86; But they have guns.
19:10 MinceR; yes, everyone who would kill in self-defense or in defense of innocents is a murderer
19:10 XRevan86; They know how to use them, and they have no mercy.
19:10 CrystalMath; also you just backtracked
19:11 MinceR; right
19:11 CrystalMath; <@MinceR> CrystalMath: i probably already did
19:11 MinceR; CrystalMath: do you think the taliban carry guns as ornaments?
19:11 CrystalMath; like wow... so you don't actually criticize the US invasion
19:11 CrystalMath; you criticize that the US left
19:11 XRevan86; Having no mercy really helps to that diversity thing CrystalMath is talking about.
19:11 MinceR; the US failed to achieve its goals with the invasion
19:11 MinceR; so it was a failed invasion
19:11 CrystalMath; you are a hopeless libtard and i hope that all your dreams are crushed forever and ever
19:12 XRevan86; My dreams have been crushed before I was even eligible to "vote".
19:12 MinceR; CrystalMath: but before you get all too enthusiastic about this, you should read up on what your beloved orcs did in afghanistan.
19:12 MinceR; CrystalMath: you are a hopeless fascist and i hope you die slowly and painfully.
19:13 MinceR; also, my dreams were crushed long ago, when i found out what humans were actually like.
19:14 XRevan86; I have a mentality of a slave, and it's probably going to scar me for life.
19:14 CrystalMath; MinceR: i'm a fascist, but you want to go kill people, i don't
19:14 CrystalMath; libtards are the true fascists
19:14 MinceR; CrystalMath: what do you think your idols are doing to ukrainians right now?
19:14 CrystalMath; i just want people to be left alone to live the way they want
19:14 MinceR; no, you don't want that
19:14 MinceR; you're a pathological liar
19:14 CrystalMath; MinceR: what are the ukrainians doing in the donbass?
19:14 MinceR; you want a small minority to oppress, torture and terrorize billions of people
19:14 CrystalMath; having a picnic, scattering petal mines on civilians
19:14 MinceR; try to re-establish their republic?
19:15 CrystalMath; by scattering petal mines on civilians
19:15 XRevan86; "scattering petal mines" <- I guess I'm the only one who tries to avoid unconfirmed events.
19:15 MinceR; you should know that unconfirmed events claimed by ruscist propaganda media is gospel
19:16 MinceR; while well documented facts stated by everyone else is "lies"
19:16 CrystalMath; yeah sure, ignore all the people interviewed by Patrick Lancaster, they are all paid actors
19:16 CrystalMath; ignore that he recorded missiles falling onto civilian houses in a village
19:17 CrystalMath; being fired from ukrop-controlled places
19:17 CrystalMath; every time the EU commits terrorism, it's always fake
19:17 CrystalMath; MinceR: i guess it was also fake when i saw it first hand?
19:18 CrystalMath; when they bombed serbia
19:18 CrystalMath; that must have been fake, right? the EU would never kill innocent civilians
19:18 MinceR; i guess you already forgot why they bombed serbia
19:18 CrystalMath; they bombed civilians in serbia that had nothing to do with anything happening in kosovo
19:19 MinceR; also, that the victims of the serbs aren't people who deserve to live the way they want to
19:19 CrystalMath; it cannot be justified
19:19 CrystalMath; it's monstrous that you even try it
19:19 XRevan86; https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://theins.press/antifake/251862 "RIA Novosti spoke about the "crime of the Ukrainian Nazis" according to an American who has already been seen in creating fakes about Ukraine"
19:20 TR Bot; ,
19:20 XRevan86; What a great chap this Lancaster guy.
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19:20 CrystalMath; XRevan86: it was probably also fake when i saw americans bomb civilian targets first hand
19:20 CrystalMath; since like, they would never do anything like that, right?
19:20 CrystalMath; except ALWAYS
19:21 CrystalMath; dude, did you not see the video Assange published?
19:21 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Sure, let that be the reason why ye must believe in lies.
19:21 MinceR; everybody knows only orcs and talibans have the right to bomb civilian targets
19:21 CrystalMath; MinceR: that's no reason to claim that ukrops and yanks never do that
19:21 CrystalMath; and that's no reason to claim that when ukrops and yanks do it, that it's somehow justified
19:21 MinceR; orcs and talibans have the perfect excuse for everything
19:22 MinceR; and their victims are apparently not humans
19:22 CrystalMath; note that the taliban never fought outside of afghanistan
19:22 CrystalMath; which is where they live
19:22 CrystalMath; and their homes is what you tried to take away, and failed thankfully
19:23 CrystalMath; at the same time, you could also remember that russia never fought on another continent
19:23 CrystalMath; while yanks certainly have
19:23 XRevan86; "note that the taliban never fought outside of afghanistan" <- So Tajikistan is also Afghanistan?
19:24 XRevan86; MinceR: It's always a good idea to double check everything CrystalMath presents as fact.
19:24 CrystalMath; the taliban did not take over tajikistan
19:24 CrystalMath; they were fighting to keep their own homes
19:24 XRevan86; They failed never happened?
19:25 CrystalMath; when did they try?
19:25 XRevan86; The 90s, but reportedly they're still have a presence there.
19:25 CrystalMath; they have a presence in pakistan too, i'm not sure if that counts as an invasion
19:25 MinceR; XRevan86: life is too short for that, so i just ignore all of those
19:26 XRevan86; MinceR: That works.
19:26 MinceR; i wonder if the people oppressed by the talibans think of the place where they live "ah yes, this is one of the homes of the taliban"
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19:27 CrystalMath; not only are most pashto people taliban supporters, but a number of dari people support it too; probably some tajiks
19:28 CrystalMath; it's not our business anyway, leave them alone
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19:28 TR Bot; Vulnerable Sites & Web Applications For Pen Testing 2022 - DekiSoft
19:28 CrystalMath; they leave you alone... they would have delivered Osama bin Laden, if only america would guarantee him a fair trial
19:28 MinceR; what is apparently your business is what alliances ukrainians enter into.
19:28 MinceR; interesting.
19:28 MinceR; ukrainians left me alone
19:28 MinceR; orcs didn't
19:28 TR News; (NEW): Celluloid (Gnome MPV) Now GTK4 + LibAwaita Video Player for Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Celluloid_Gnome_MPV_Now_GTK4_LibAwaita_Video_Player_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Celluloid_Gnome_MPV_Now_GTK4_LibAwaita_Video_Player_for_Linux.gmi
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19:28 MinceR; usians left me alone
19:28 CrystalMath; ukrainians didn't leave the donbass alone
19:28 MinceR; chinese didn't
19:29 CrystalMath; what did the chinese do to you?
19:29 CrystalMath; i recall of no chinese invasion of hungary
19:29 MinceR; supported the fascist government that oppresses me
19:29 XRevan86; MinceR: It's evident sovereignty means nothing to CrystalMath.
19:29 MinceR; XRevan86: only the sovereignty of shitholes like orcland, red china and north korea.
19:30 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i believe that it's better to split than to oppress, if there is a strong geographic line that could be drawn
19:30 CrystalMath; so yeah, i don't think serbia should retake all of kosovo
19:30 XRevan86; CrystalMath: And if an outside power decides where the line is drawn, that's a-O.K.
19:30 CrystalMath; XRevan86: the people can decide it
19:30 XRevan86; CrystalMath: And the people are FSB.
19:30 CrystalMath; no, the people who live there
19:30 XRevan86; Nah, FSB seems more reliable.
19:31 CrystalMath; the people who live in the donbass are very reliably pro-russian
19:31 CrystalMath; probably more so than the FSB
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19:31 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Is that why the 2014 war was ignited by an FSB operative?
19:31 MinceR; why talk of putler in the plural?
19:32 CrystalMath; XRevan86: oh so like euromaidan tearing down the entire democratic system of ukraine was... what?
19:32 MinceR; "the person can decide it"
19:32 MinceR; more honest, more grammatically correct.
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19:32 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Consider it a test of literacy, do ye know of whom I speak?
19:32 CrystalMath; no...
19:33 CrystalMath; it's probably some false narrative
19:33 XRevan86; Igor Girkin-Strelkov.
19:34 XRevan86; "it's probably some false narrative" <- Maybe he doesn't exist.
19:34 XRevan86; All a figment of imagination.
19:34 XRevan86; He's also a cornerstone of the MH17 case.
19:35 XRevan86; And quite an amusing chap, currently he is a big critic of how the war is conducted.
19:36 XRevan86; One of the biggest war criminals is exposing the lies of Russian war propaganda, now isn't that the Zeitgeist.
19:36 CrystalMath; hmm, i had to check first, it seems that Strelkov was that lunatic who said romania has taken over moldova
19:36 CrystalMath; i wouldn't trust anything he says
19:37 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2208018
19:37 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/m3x8kqurkje91.jpg created on 2022-08-01 01:38:54.853900
19:37 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Doesn't sound like something he would say.
19:37 XRevan86; CrystalMath: What are your sources?
19:38 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i saw it on twitter, i remember searching for who it is and it was the same face, though i did not find the post again
19:39 MinceR; truthiness
19:39 MinceR; it feels true, therefore it is true.
19:40 CrystalMath; he did say it: https://www.national.ro/stiri-externe/oficial-rus-acuza-romania-ca-se-pregateste-pentru-atacarea-transnistriei-si-anexarea-republicii-moldova-760462.html
19:40 TR Bot; INCREDIBIL: RUSIA ACUZ ROMNIA c se pregtete s atace Transnistria! PLANUL pentru anexarea Moldovei! | Ziarul National
19:40 CrystalMath; i remember the post began with "is planning to" but then said "the romanian military has already taken control of most bases"
19:40 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Do ye have a problem with faces?
19:41 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i do sometimes feel like i have trouble identifying faces, but tests showed that it's not clinically bad
19:41 XRevan86; CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Markov
19:41 TR Bot; Sergei Markov - Wikipedia
19:42 CrystalMath; the source above has this sentence: "Anterior, fostul ministru al Aprrii al RDP, Igor Strelkov, afirmase c Romnia face pregtiri ascunse pentru capturarea Moldovei!"
19:42 XRevan86; As ye can see, this is not just a completely different person, but also a close ally to Putin.
19:42 CrystalMath; no i didn't mean the whole article as a source, the articles just mentions what i remember
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19:43 CrystalMath; apparently Strelkov's statement did not warrant a whole article for itself
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19:44 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I see.
19:44 MinceR; lol
19:44 XRevan86; Just some Russian madness over Transnistria.
19:44 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Girkin is not immune, he's a monarchist.
19:45 XRevan86; and a supporter of the Russian World
19:46 XRevan86; CrystalMath: He's the most honest the pro-Kremlin world has to offer, but the bar is extremely low.
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19:48 XRevan86; CrystalMath: https://bellingcat.com/news/2022/07/18/donbas-doubles-the-search-for-girkin-and-plotnitskys-cover-identities/ this can give an outline.
19:48 TR Bot; Doubles: The Search for Girkin and Plotnitsky's Cover Identities - bellingcat
19:48 CrystalMath; i think Strelkov is just nuts
19:49 TR News; "I completed my order of the Steam Deck last week." gopher://sdfeu.org:70/0/users/glaciurso/phlog/2022-08-21__Update.md
19:49 XRevan86; They all are.
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19:49 MinceR; you'd have to be nuts to support vladolf
19:50 TR News; "Linux is the second most popular OS after Windows." Windows is not popular. OEMs force many people to use it on PCs. https://dekisoft.com/best-programmable-mechanical-keyboards-linux/
19:50 TR Bot; Best Programmable and Mechanical Keyboards For Linux 2022 (Update) - DekiSoft
19:51 MinceR; Linux is a kernel, not an OS
19:51 MinceR; also, windows is malware, not an OS
19:51 schestowitz[TR]; Maldows
19:51 XRevan86; The collaborators are freaks on top of freaks, Stremousov is one of the saner ones and even he looks like he escaped an asylum.
19:51 schestowitz[TR]; Rachel Maldows
19:52 CrystalMath; i think Strelkov is either purposely trying to discredit russia, or if he truly is pro-russian, he should just retire
19:52 CrystalMath; i hear he was arrested in crimea recently
19:52 XRevan86; CrystalMath: The funky thing about him is, as he self-proclaims, he is trying not to lie.
19:52 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Oh yea, he was trying to go to the front.
19:53 TR News; How To Install KDE Plasma on Fedora 36 - idroot https://idroot.us/install-kde-plasma-fedora-36/ Source: ID Root | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//idroot.us/install-kde-plasma-fedora-36/
19:53 TR Bot; How To Install KDE Plasma on Fedora 36 - idroot
19:53 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Apparently he's trying to get involved in order to gain back some influence.
19:54 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Anyway, again, this discussion started over that this man started the war.
19:54 XRevan86; The first shot fired.
19:55 XRevan86; And he is not even a Donbas national, he arrived from Russia, where he served FSB.
20:00 CrystalMath; euromaidan is also a form of coercion against the people, it's a shot at democracy, a fatal one
20:00 MinceR; that's bullshit
20:00 MinceR; euromaidan happened before putler's puppets took over and destroyed the democracy before that
20:01 MinceR; and everything that happened since proves that too
20:01 CrystalMath; MinceR: the 2010 election was confirmed to be "free and fair" by virtually everyone
20:01 MinceR; they hand that rating out very lightly
20:01 MinceR; probably because every republic is deeply flawed
20:02 CrystalMath; either every republic is lying... or maybe... just maybe... the people of east ukraine really did vote in Yanukovich for all of ukraine
20:02 CrystalMath; remember, according to you, i don't exist - i would always vote pro-Putin
20:03 CrystalMath; because i want to support a world in which the taliban are free to run their country the way they want to
20:03 CrystalMath; meanwhile, you want to "kill them" (sic)
20:03 MinceR; i wonder how you mental-gymnasticked that together
20:04 CrystalMath; <@MinceR> i'd prefer to just kill them
20:04 CrystalMath; the mental gymnastics of a direct quote :P
20:04 MinceR; how does that quote mean that you don't exist?
20:05 CrystalMath; you basically believe that it's impossible for Putin to win a fair election, and that pro-russian voters don't exist
20:05 CrystalMath; even while talking to one
20:06 MinceR; putler never tried to win a fair election
20:06 MinceR; he was the successor yeltsin was persuaded to pick for himself
20:06 MinceR; also, afaik you don't get to vote for vladolf anyway
20:06 CrystalMath; well, it was Yanukovich more specifically, but everybody knew (since there was a whole orange revolution against him in 2004) that he is basically Putin
20:06 XRevan86; MinceR: At least he actually could theoretically lose that first one, even if it was rigged.
20:07 MinceR; "he could theoretically lose" is CrystalMath's preferred standard
20:07 XRevan86; It was the first and last election, rigged or not.
20:07 CrystalMath; XRevan86: the EU monitored everything, because pro-EU forces were in power
20:07 XRevan86; * rigged or otherwise
20:07 CrystalMath; pro-EU forces had ALL the power to intimidate people into voting pro-EU
20:07 MinceR; that's funny
20:07 MinceR; reading that from an alleged EU member
20:07 CrystalMath; anti-EU forces just... existed, and voted anti-EU, and WON
20:08 MinceR; knowing about how elections are orchestrated here
20:08 MinceR; my life probably wouldn't be nearly as squalid if the EU was anywhere near as powerful as you keep insisting it is
20:08 CrystalMath; MinceR: so you think EU officials from brussels skewed things in Putin's favor?
20:08 MinceR; granted, orban and his pals wouldn't have as much money to throw around and brag about
20:08 CrystalMath; all under the watch of strongly anti-russian west ukrainians?
20:09 MinceR; CrystalMath: i have yet to see evidence that they skewed things in any way
20:09 CrystalMath; okay, so Yanukovich, a previously proven pro-russian, won the election fair and square
20:09 CrystalMath; what gave anyone the right to take him down by force?
20:12 CrystalMath; the EU and its mindless libtard minions in eastern europe never win with a ballot box, but only with an ammo box...
20:12 CrystalMath; that's what they did in moldova
20:12 CrystalMath; and what they did in ukraine, except for two parts that tried to get away from it
20:12 CrystalMath; crimea and the donbass
20:12 MinceR; that's an interesting twist on the truth
20:13 MinceR; considering how the "referendum" in crimea actually went
20:13 MinceR; with no choice to leave things as they were, and "voting" under military threat and occupation
20:13 MinceR; i don't know why i don't just ignore you
20:13 CrystalMath; results: ~70% voted yes, ~30% did not vote (let's even say they're all against, even)
20:13 MinceR; you predictably spout standard ruscist propaganda all the time
20:14 XRevan86; Churov 146% conduced the refendum, surely it wouldn't be falsified.
20:14 XRevan86; "conduced the refendum" <- Heh. Conducted the referendum.
20:15 CrystalMath; MinceR: you talk about wanting to kill people in afghanistan... it's so sad for me to hear that from someone i consider a friend :(
20:15 CrystalMath; *considered
20:17 TR News; There is already IFF in India, but EFF could be called IFF, i for ignorant or worse. Because they pushed out their best people.
20:18 CrystalMath; i remember when people here were pro-Assange
20:18 CrystalMath; overwhelmingly
20:18 CrystalMath; and now it's "he took down Hillary so that Putin would win"
20:18 schestowitz[TR]; here?
20:18 CrystalMath; (DaemonFC's idea)
20:18 schestowitz[TR]; also, here or in general?
20:18 CrystalMath; on Techrights
20:18 CrystalMath; in general, they still are
20:19 CrystalMath; at least where i live, it's normal to be pro-Assange, but also pro-Putin
20:19 CrystalMath; most probably aren't for wars (my guess), and i'm against wars, but pro-Putin in the sense of the things he says about a multipolar world
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:20 CrystalMath; we need a multipolar world in which america can't just spread its evil with no contest or resistance
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; evil versus evil is still evil
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; and assange and putin are orthogonal
20:20 XRevan86; Russia is too rotten to be a polus in any multi-polar world.
20:21 XRevan86; Ironically, a pro-Putin position is against multi-polarity.
20:21 TR News; Xi Jinpings Radical Secrecy https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/08/china-xi-jinping-biography-opacity/671195/?utm_source=feed
20:21 TR Bot; Xi Jinpings Radical Secrecy - The Atlantic
20:21 heureka; i wouldn't say America or USA, instead the Pentagon/Washington and related internationally organized-crime cartell
20:21 TR News; YouTube disrupted in Pakistan as former PM Khan streams speech - NetBlocks https://netblocks.org/reports/youtube-disrupted-in-pakistan-as-former-pm-khan-streams-speech-XADMq6Bg Source: Netblocks | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//netblocks.org/reports/youtube-disrupted-in-pakistan-as-former-pm-khan-streams-speech-XADMq6Bg
20:21 TR Bot; YouTube disrupted in Pakistan as former PM Khan streams speech - NetBlocks
20:21 heureka; and their "five eyes" industrial espionage grid
20:22 TR News; How Slaughterhouse-Five Became a Repeated Target of Book Burners https://reason.com/2022/08/21/slaughterhouse-five/ Source: Reason | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//reason.com/2022/08/21/slaughterhouse-five/
20:22 TR Bot; How 'Slaughterhouse-Five' Became a Repeated Target of Book Burners
20:23 CrystalMath; XRevan86: he basically gets support because he appears to be anti-american / anti-NATO
20:23 XRevan86; Prediction for the next 10-20 years: Russia will not be able to hold on to the territories Putin annexed.
20:23 TR News; How Stalin Toyed With Mikhail Bulgakov https://reason.com/2022/08/20/the-master-and-margarita/ Source: Reason | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//reason.com/2022/08/20/the-master-and-margarita/
20:23 TR Bot; How Stalin Toyed With Mikhail Bulgakov
20:23 heureka; that's what i think is slightly confusing with Putin, his public speeches, and behind the scenes shaking hands of Rosneft/Gasprom and those industry CEOs in germany
20:23 XRevan86; It's not even a matter of whether Putin succeeds in this world.
20:23 XRevan86; * in this war
20:23 heureka; since in germany, the high ranking industry CEO, media and political positions are all hijacked and subverted by those atlantic bridge washington minions
20:24 heureka; and those are the ones Putin shakes hands with for energy and gas business
20:24 CrystalMath; XRevan86: you think crimea would secede, or that russia would get invaded?
20:24 XRevan86; CrystalMath: 1
20:24 *CrystalMath shrugs... they seemed pretty pro-russian patriotic to me
20:24 XRevan86; Maybe both.
20:24 TR News; South Carolina Targets Free Speech To Limit Abortion Access https://reason.com/2022/08/19/south-carolina-targets-free-speech-in-its-attempt-to-limit-abortion-access/ Source: Reason | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//reason.com/2022/08/19/south-carolina-targets-free-speech-in-its-attempt-to-limit-abortion-access/
20:24 TR Bot; South Carolina Targets Free Speech To Limit Abortion Access
20:25 XRevan86; Russia is getting weaker and more freaky and controlling.
20:25 XRevan86; that can't end well
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: this also diescribes US
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; the world in general may be rotting
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; but the rot is relative
20:25 XRevan86; schestowitz: Very relative.
20:26 TR News; End Times in Aspen: How to Kill a Newspaper - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/aspen-times-newspaper-vladislav-doronin-billionaire-lawsuit/671180/?utm_source=feed Source: The Atlantic | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/aspen-times-newspaper-vladislav-doronin-billionaire-lawsuit/671180/?utm_source=feed
20:26 TR Bot; End Times in Aspen: How to Kill a Newspaper - The Atlantic
20:28 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i remember op-eds on CNN that admitted the people of crimea want to be a part of russia
20:28 CrystalMath; in 2014
20:28 TR News; Pro-China pundit's admission to owning a house in California sparks backlash Radio Free Asia https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/pundit-usa-house-08182022120956.html Source: Verfassungsblog | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.rfa.org/english/news/china/pundit-usa-house-08182022120956.html
20:28 TR Bot; Pro-China pundit's admission to owning a house in California sparks backlash Radio Free Asia
20:28 heureka; that's why i fail to recognize any "pro-Putin" position, because the Rosneft/Gasprom business of his and his associates is just that, business and cash flow
20:29 TR News; Salman Rushdies Stabbing Should Remind Us That Free Speech Is a Nonnegotiable Progressive Value https://jacobin.com/2022/08/salman-rushdie-stabbing-free-speech-socialist-politics-progressive-value/ Source: Jacobin Magazine | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//jacobin.com/2022/08/salman-rushdie-stabbing-free-speech-socialist-politics-progressive-value/
20:29 TR Bot; Salman Rushdies Stabbing Should Remind Us That Free Speech Is a Nonnegotiable Progressive Value
20:29 TR News; The Satanic Panic Is Back, and Its Bipartisan https://reason.com/2022/08/18/the-satanic-panic-is-back-and-its-bipartisan/ Source: Reason | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//reason.com/2022/08/18/the-satanic-panic-is-back-and-its-bipartisan/
20:29 TR Bot; The Satanic Panic Is Back, and It's Bipartisan
20:30 heureka; recently, among "social democrats" in German, one or another "scandal" is boiled up again
20:30 heureka; such as Chancellor Scholz (Warburg Bank, atlantic bridge), at the same time close affiliate of Schroeder/Putin/Rosneft/Gasprom
20:30 TR News; Free Speech Bastion Substack Fires Editor for Editing a Blog Critical of Substack https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d3988/free-speech-bastion-substack-fires-editor-for-editing-a-blog-critical-of-substack Source: Wallanag | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.vice.com/en/article/5d3988/free-speech-bastion-substack-fires-editor-for-editing-a-blog-critical-of-substack
20:30 TR Bot; Free Speech Bastion Substack Fires Editor for Editing a Blog Critical of Substack
20:31 heureka; this recent scandal ignited... over "cum-ex tax fraud", the biggest tax fraud in EU history...
20:31 heureka; that's the chancellor
20:31 TR News; "People have been trying to ban Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird since the 1960s. And since the 1960s, they have largely failed." https://reason.com/2022/08/18/to-kill-a-mockingbird/
20:31 TR Bot; The Failed Campaign To Ban 'To Kill a Mockingbird'
20:31 heureka; although it was said the Russian-German relations cooled down due to this
20:32 heureka; that's the difficulty with "pro-Putin", he is/was closely entangled into this realm of german politics
20:32 TR News; The Stabbing of Salman Rushdie Renews Free Speech Debates - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/15/arts/salman-rushdie-free-speech.html Source: New York Times | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nytimes.com/2022/08/15/arts/salman-rushdie-free-speech.html
20:32 TR Bot; The Stabbing of Salman Rushdie Renews Free Speech Debates - The New York Times
20:32 heureka; and the oil/gas business
20:33 CrystalMath; heureka: Putin may not be the hero we want, maybe he's not even the hero we need, but we have no one else standing up to NATO...
20:33 CrystalMath; without him, democracy in Syria would have been destroyed
20:33 CrystalMath; we know that for sure
20:34 schestowitz[TR]; democracy in Syria?
20:34 schestowitz[TR]; who is in charge in Syria?
20:34 schestowitz[TR]; how many years for?
20:34 heureka; anyway, this german politics (social democrats) Putin is entangled with, that's mostly the Atlantic Bridge Washingtom dominated corrupt cartell
20:34 schestowitz[TR]; Can you define democracy in Syria?
20:34 CrystalMath; Bashar-el-Assad, the representative of the people
20:34 schestowitz[TR]; lol
20:34 CrystalMath; america was trying to take him out
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; like putin
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; representative of the people
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; what people?
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; the crooks
20:35 XRevan86; "but we have no one else standing up to NATO" <- Would be a shame if Finland and Sweden were to join NATO with no opposition from Putin.
20:35 CrystalMath; XRevan86: no, it would just be honest of them
20:36 XRevan86; de-Finlandisation of Finland
20:36 CrystalMath; XRevan86: sweden already did that long ago
20:36 CrystalMath; they invented a new finland
20:36 heureka; anyway, this german government, whom Putin is/was befriended with, i am not at least worth some office space to work, in _my_ homeland
20:37 heureka; although, i am not pointing fingers at Putin, it's the criminals in germany who Putin is/was befriended with
20:37 heureka; and i am not thinking of former Chancellor Schroeder either in this case
20:38 XRevan86; "although, i am not pointing fingers at Putin, it's the criminals in germany who Putin is/was befriended with" <- That's his modus operandi.
20:38 CrystalMath; heureka: Putin has shown that he's willing to work with some rather nasty people at times
20:38 XRevan86; So point fingers away.
20:38 heureka; "social democrats" wanted to expell former Chancellor Schroeder from "social democrats" recently, former Chancellor Schroeder hasn't got an office anymore either in Germany
20:39 heureka; CrystalMath: i don't thin Chancellor Schroeder is the problem, it's the political parties in Germany: "social democrats", "greens" etc.
20:39 CrystalMath; heureka: yeah, the greens are the ones pushing the most of the anti-freedom agenda
20:39 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@mvbitbkzkjyau.irc) has joined #techrights
20:39 CrystalMath; in the name of climate change
20:39 heureka; and it's no coincidence either, AfD seeked closer relations with Russia, simply because all other political parties here are just insane
20:40 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], GULAG Tube canceled the Cook County Judge's Office channel.
20:40 DaemonFC; https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/youtube-account-of-the-cook-county-judges-office-disabled
20:40 TR Bot; YouTube account of the Cook County Judge's office disabled
20:40 CrystalMath; heureka: btw, tell me, is it true what they say here about germany, that your government is telling people to shower less because of the climate?
20:40 DaemonFC; "COOK COUNTY, Ill. - The YouTube account of the Cook County Judge's Office was disabled Friday.
20:40 DaemonFC; The account is used to provide public access to court proceedings.
20:40 DaemonFC; The office was notified by Google that it was disabled due to unspecified violations of unspecified YouTube Community Guidelines.
20:40 DaemonFC; According to the Office of the Chief Judge, it is not aware of any instance that would have led to the account being disabled."
20:40 schestowitz[TR]; they should not outsource in the first place
20:40 schestowitz[TR]; certainly not to gulag
20:40 DaemonFC; "However, the office did note that court proceedings are sometimes graphic in nature and may not be suitable for all audiences.
20:40 DaemonFC; The office has filed an appeal with YouTube."
20:40 heureka; CrystalMath: that's all propaganda rubbish
20:41 CrystalMath; heureka: okay, so they're not doing that
20:41 CrystalMath; it was said by some people in serbian talk shows
20:41 heureka; the contracts germany industry and russia have have fixed prices, meaning even if consumption is lowered, then cashflow into Russia remains
20:41 CrystalMath; heureka: yes but did some idiots say it anyway?
20:41 CrystalMath; i mean of course it won't work
20:41 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I have no idea why my mom has to be so horrible.
20:41 heureka; and as far as "climate" was concerned i had many other ideas, for germany
20:42 DaemonFC; I told her almost 800 Starbucks stores are now unionized.
20:42 heureka; CrystalMath: i couldn't afford a daily shower anymore even if i wanted to
20:42 DaemonFC; And she laughed while mentioning at least one store closed and moved a block down and said they were all fired.
20:42 heureka; nor could i affor a car, office space to work, or at least to go on holidays after 20 years
20:42 heureka; however, i don't think it is Putin/Russia at fault
20:42 DaemonFC; I said, "So, you're laughing that a bunch of low wage workers got screwed by a multibillion dollar company that makes $8 coffees and openly breaks the law?".
20:45 DaemonFC; I hate Starbucks.
20:45 DaemonFC; If you want shitty fast food coffee, go to McDonalds. At least it's only like $3 there.
20:45 DaemonFC; But I mean, it's not like coffee is hard.
20:46 DaemonFC; We used to just set the coffee maker to let 'er rip 20 minutes before we had to leave the house and grab a to-go mug on the way to work and it cost 20 cents.
20:46 DaemonFC; What the hell is wrong with people today?
20:47 DaemonFC; I'm not saying the union will work out well for Starbucks workers. In fact, I think it won't. But the law says they have the right to do that, and Starbucks is breaking the law.
20:47 DaemonFC; So something ought to happen to Starbucks.
20:48 DaemonFC; And I don't even understand why they're afraid of the union. It's the workers who will realize they made an error.
20:48 DaemonFC; The company has the majority of the bargaining power either way and so I mean, the people who pay for the union are the employees. It comes out of their checks.
20:48 phanes; im okay with starbucks going away forever. i have my own espresso machine. :/
20:49 DaemonFC; Chances are they get what they get now or maybe just slightly more but it's in a contract instead of just corporate policy.
20:49 phanes; in fact owning an espresso machine in a starbucksless world merely adds to my BDE
20:51 DaemonFC; People think I'm some sort of a Republican extremist or something and they have me totally wrong. You know, Libertarianism supports freedom of association. Isn't that what a union should be? I'm not in favor of this anti-Right To Work law in Illinois.
20:51 MinceR; 21 211807 < CrystalMath> i remember when people here were pro-Assange
20:51 TR News; Adding Git listing of TuxMachines to its Gemini capsule. This might take a few hours...
20:51 DaemonFC; It's already the second worst business climate in America.
20:51 MinceR; right, the correct course would have been becoming putler supporters to follow him.
20:51 DaemonFC; And what workers don't seem to get is when you make a hostile business climate, it hurts you too.
20:51 MinceR; 21 212013 < CrystalMath> we need a multipolar world in which america can't just spread its evil with no contest or resistance
20:51 MinceR; your wish is granted.
20:52 DaemonFC; When there's higher unemployment in your state, the employers have more people who need a job and will work for anything.
20:52 DaemonFC; People become more desperate. Crime goes up.
20:52 MinceR; "nothing's changed." "correct."
20:52 DaemonFC; The state encourages criminal activity with high unemployment and high taxes.
20:52 DaemonFC; Nobody wants to pay $15 a pack for cigarettes in Chicago, so they just use illegal arbitrage.
20:53 DaemonFC; They buy them a few miles away and come sell them for $11 a pack and they still make a $5 a pack profit (less the cost of going to get them).
20:54 DaemonFC; There's the chance the cops bust them for a misdemeanor, but chances are they couldn't get a job anyway because the business climate is bad.
20:54 CrystalMath; MinceR: how is being pro-Assange automatically pro-Putin?
20:54 MinceR; ask yourself
20:54 CrystalMath; i mean i said it coincides here, but that's here, we are anti-western in general
20:54 MinceR; it was your "point"
20:54 MinceR; how many of you are anti-western?
20:54 CrystalMath; being pro-Assange necessarily means being anti-NATO
20:54 CrystalMath; MinceR: our president said 85%
20:54 DaemonFC; They're not wiping out smoking in Cook County. They're wiping out the tax revenue that would pay for the increased health expenditures.
20:54 MinceR; so, 85% of CrystalMath is anti-western
20:54 DaemonFC; And giving Indiana a tax surplus.
20:55 MinceR; that's not even a whole person.
20:55 DaemonFC; They get tax money for smokers who don't even live in Indiana or cost them anything.
20:55 CrystalMath; MinceR: that would also mean there is a president of CrystalMath :P
20:55 DaemonFC; Anti-smoking campaigns are kind of dumb at a certain point.
20:55 CrystalMath; of course i meant serbia
20:55 MinceR; if CrystalMath wants to have a president, sure
20:55 phanes; we need more american exceptionalism in the world not less
20:55 MinceR; is serbia in this channel?
20:55 DaemonFC; You can educate people about the risks. You can tax them to a certain extent to cover their cost to the system.
20:56 CrystalMath; MinceR: it's a different meaning of "here"
20:56 DaemonFC; You can't force them to stop. They'll figure out a way around your taxes before they'll stop.
20:56 CrystalMath; MinceR: i used the word "here" twice in a row but meaning completely different things, i guess
20:56 MinceR; we don't need exceptionalism, we need humanity to actually live up to the ideals it keeps spouting are characteristic of it
20:56 MinceR; less "we are so intelligent", more actually being intelligent
20:56 phanes; MinceR, can't do that without a unified government that sucks a whole lot before it doesn't
20:56 MinceR; less "we are so civilized", more actually being civilized
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20:56 CrystalMath; phanes: i absolutely completely disagree
20:57 DaemonFC; MinceR, "Civilization" is just a giant smog filled cesspit filled with people shitting on the open sidewalk.
20:57 CrystalMath; anyway, how's it going?
20:57 DaemonFC; Ask Matthew J GULAG.
20:57 MinceR; less "this state is so perfect and so free", more actually being free (individuals -- it's not applicable to anything else)
20:57 MinceR; DaemonFC: lol
20:57 MinceR; we don't need nationalism, we need humanism
20:57 phanes; you'll never merge the wills of the kalaidoscope of wills of the countries of the world, and trying to will only create atrocity. there would need to be hierarchal government system in place that constrains every would-be dictator
20:57 MinceR; and we need a human species actually worthy of humanism
20:58 phanes; CrystalMath, its going, too much work and not enough play time these days
20:58 MinceR; countries don't have wills
20:58 MinceR; people have wills
20:58 DaemonFC; And you know what I say to people shitting on the sidewalk in front of Mr. GAFAM's $800,000 cracker box?
20:58 MinceR; dictators have wills
20:58 DaemonFC; "Happy shitting!"
20:58 MinceR; and the dictators' wills need to be extinguished.
20:58 CrystalMath; phanes: that doesn't sound like a world government...
20:58 MinceR; and no, there's no need for hierarchies, there's only need for civilization
20:58 phanes; civilization is designed and is a direct result of power structures
20:59 DaemonFC; MinceR, You pay $4,000 a month in San Francisco and you get to share a sleeping room with 3 other people and a bathroom as well.
20:59 DaemonFC; People you don't even know.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.56 k/sec., IPFS upstream 104.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 105.63
20:59 CrystalMath; phanes: i think people should have alternative civilizations, generally i want more decentralization
20:59 CrystalMath; more cultures should have zero contact with others
20:59 phanes; in all of human history every civilization has been an artifact of their power structures
20:59 DaemonFC; I'm not spending $50,000 a year to get conditions that compare with a halfway house or an army barracks.
21:00 MinceR; no, power structures result only in the absence of civilization
21:00 phanes; thats absurd
21:00 MinceR; the only things that can lead to civilization are voluntary cooperation and respect for each other's freedom
21:01 phanes; you think there would've been a hitler if he had a board he reported to that controlled the armies of the world
21:01 MinceR; funny how CrystalMath is dreaming about alternative civilizations when our species can't even implement one of them
21:01 DaemonFC; MinceR, You mean the government running off with my money to pay for someone to get a degree an transgender studies.
21:01 MinceR; i think as long as humans keep falling for the lies of sociopaths, the likes of hitler will persist
21:01 phanes; in order to bring out the best of humanity, systematically that is, you need to account and structure for, the worst of humanity
21:02 DaemonFC; I volunteered to cooperate with debt cancellation when I signed the social contract.
21:02 MinceR; if i account for the worst of humanity, the only thing i see is certain extinction
21:02 MinceR; i doubt humanity will be able to overcome its own demons, ever
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21:02 DaemonFC; MinceR, It's a major event.
21:02 DaemonFC; On the month of your 18th birthday when reaching adulthood, they give you a neat pen.
21:03 DaemonFC; And you go to a convention center nearby and sign the Social Contract.
21:03 DaemonFC; And you get to keep the pen for good luck.
21:03 MinceR; DaemonFC: i haven't even seen the "social contract"
21:03 MinceR; and it's a hoax anyway
21:03 CrystalMath; phanes: since there is no right way to live, we must have a diversity of belief systems
21:03 MinceR; the greatest hoax ever
21:03 schestowitz[TR]; antisocial contact
21:03 CrystalMath; no system should prevail over others by force
21:03 DaemonFC; MinceR, That's because they make you drink something that makes you forget what you signed so they can change the Social Contract whenever they want to.
21:03 DaemonFC; And you don't even have to go sign another one.
21:03 MinceR; and CrystalMath will decide which tens of millions are sacrificed so that certain people can have their preferred way of life
21:03 DaemonFC; Isn't that nice?
21:04 phanes; you cannot have civilization without some degree of force
21:04 MinceR; sure you can
21:04 MinceR; you just need people that are capable of civilization
21:04 DaemonFC; The government is responsible for a lot of what liberals call "gun crime".
21:04 CrystalMath; phanes: we should not have just one civilization
21:04 CrystalMath; phanes: but many
21:04 DaemonFC; By making life so intolerable that people go insane and start shooting.
21:05 phanes; then what you are describing is the wonton murder of undesirables and non-conformists and that makes your position objectively evil
21:05 DaemonFC; Then the liberal solution is to just take the guns away.
21:05 phanes; MinceR,
21:05 MinceR; does "gun crime" include the crimes the government commits against the people outside the government, using guns?
21:05 MinceR; no, that is not what i am describing
21:05 DaemonFC; MinceR, No, that's all justifiable if they even investigate it at all.
21:05 CrystalMath; what MinceR is saying about me is obviously false
21:05 MinceR; and no, the opposite of global totalitarianism is not "objectively evil"
21:05 MinceR; DaemonFC: everything can be justified in words
21:06 MinceR; CrystalMath has given us great examples of it
21:06 phanes; civilization requires leadership
21:06 phanes; and force
21:06 MinceR; no, it doesn't
21:06 DaemonFC; MinceR, The people who are in government from the elections with only one candidate wrote those laws!
21:06 DaemonFC; They're totally legitimate laws.
21:06 MinceR; people suffering from the authoritarian personality type require leadership and force
21:06 DaemonFC; You take that back!
21:06 MinceR; masochists require force
21:06 MinceR; civilized people do not
21:06 phanes; anarcho capitalism will never form because of the inescapable flaws of the human heart
21:07 heureka; currently, german government tries to shift blame onto Putin/Russia, for the excess price inflation for Oil/Gas/Food
21:07 heureka; propaganda rubbish
21:07 MinceR; the people i know going around telling everyone they're "anarcho-capitalist" are neither anarchists nor capitalists, they're ruscists
21:07 MinceR; and yes, my point is that the flaws of the human mind make civilization and survival unattainable
21:07 DaemonFC; The inflation is from corrupt Western governments dumping a total of $10 trillion or so in excess spending after the bullshit COVID lockdowns.
21:08 MinceR; and humanity had better get its shit together and fix itself real quick if it wants a shot at survival
21:08 DaemonFC; And now they're on about Monkeypox, which is an STD that spreads through SEMEN.
21:08 MinceR; DaemonFC: you can't spell "advertisements" without semen between the tits!
21:08 heureka; truth is, EU established some "trading hub" for Oil/Gas, this is where prices explode; instead the contracts of german industry with russia are long-term contracts with stable prices
21:08 DaemonFC; The WHO even admits it, though the US CDC says "skin to skin" because they don't want to piss off gays in an election year.
21:08 phanes; civilization also requires justice, which requires a degree of force to even implement
21:09 DaemonFC; The Democrats are not expected to do well and the last thing they want to admit is there's another gay disease and this one makes your flesh rot.
21:09 CrystalMath; phanes: there just isn't a right way to live though, there is no absolute truth that we know of, and no absolute good
21:09 MinceR; that force can be distributed
21:09 Helenah; CrystalMath: o.o
21:09 CrystalMath; phanes: that's why i still hope america is stopped
21:09 *Helenah gives CrystalMath a hamper of chocolates
21:09 *Helenah gives MinceR a hamper of chocolates
21:09 *Helenah gives DaemonFC a hamper of chocolates
21:09 *Helenah gives phanes a hamper of chocolates
21:09 CrystalMath; hi Helenah, thanks :)
21:09 *Helenah gives heureka a hamper of chocolates
21:09 MinceR; chocolates are nice, but they don't fix humanity
21:09 phanes; CrystalMath, the summum bonum? sure, there's no consensus but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist
21:09 Helenah; True, MinceR :3
21:10 phanes; some would argue the categorical imperative is close to absolute good
21:11 CrystalMath; phanes: i strongly believe humans are ignorant of what the true way is, that's why we need to have different alternative civilizations, preferably ones that are isolationists
21:11 MinceR; baby steps
21:11 phanes; its like clocks and time. sure, clocks dont measure time; the only measure of a clock is the subjective measurement of another clock. that doesn't mean time doesn't exist. even if it didn't, it is something we are bound to by the nature of what we are -- so, even if time did not exist we would still use it.
21:11 MinceR; let's build one civilization
21:11 CrystalMath; MinceR: it's pointless to chase after something that does not exist
21:11 CrystalMath; there is no true meaning to life
21:12 MinceR; the meaning is whatever one chooses
21:12 CrystalMath; phanes: time is actually relative to the observer
21:12 CrystalMath; phanes: much like "good"
21:12 phanes; i think its also important to bear in mind as well that there is a strong difference between fitness and accuracy
21:12 phanes; we chase accuracy but we evolved to make decisions based on fitness reward
21:13 MinceR; we evolved to die out
21:13 phanes; in fact the more accurately perceptions reflect reality the less survivability the perceiving species has
21:14 phanes; so sure, an anarchist society may even be closer to our freedom ideals with ideal humans
21:14 phanes; but it wouldn't be nearly fit enough to survive
21:14 phanes; we dont need more accuracy
21:14 phanes; we need to survive
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21:15 phanes; and then work in as much accuracy as survival will allow
21:15 phanes; it would take an incredibly strong and fit species to survive absolute truth
21:15 MinceR; if we don't develop into ideal humans, we're goners regardless
21:16 MinceR; also, if our society is not anarchist, that means that while we're on the way to painful extinction, some authoritarian idiots are going to keep trying to run my life for me
21:16 MinceR; thanks, but i'll pass
21:16 phanes; MinceR, not at all. That's what's so awesome about humans. They -don't- need to be ideal, they need to be -fit-.
21:16 MinceR; sadly, they aren't
21:16 phanes; not at the moment no
21:16 phanes; the west is fat and lazy and self-eating
21:16 MinceR; after several years of warnings that what we're doing will doom us, there's practically no change for the better
21:17 MinceR; after millennia of suffering due to authoritarianism and sociopaths, most of us still cling to authoritarianism and being ruled by sociopaths
21:17 phanes; in all fairness, illusions of doom have been mercilessly used to justify the enrichment and rise to power of many people
21:17 MinceR; 21 221645 < phanes> the west is fat and lazy and self-eating
21:17 phanes; our culture is stained with lies
21:17 DaemonFC; No, because you're giving warnings to the people who manage to drive their SUV over a set of concrete blocks that don't even align with the train intersection.
21:17 MinceR; and the east is mostly just a bunch of authoritarian shitholes that treat most people like slaves
21:17 CrystalMath; phanes: yes but that's why i want there to be different alternative civilizations pursuing very different ideals, and, preferably, being as independent as possible
21:18 phanes; CrystalMath, that's fine as long as those civilizations can be completely isolated from one another for perpetuity otherwise they will compete for dominance (or lose to others that do)
21:18 CrystalMath; phanes: well, a balance of power can keep a stalemate
21:18 MinceR; just terraform a bunch of planets
21:18 MinceR; oh wait
21:19 phanes; CrystalMath, yes a vertical power structure of unified civilizations
21:19 CrystalMath; well that's not really the same time
21:19 phanes; a single currency, a single army force, a single nation
21:19 CrystalMath; err, the same thing
21:19 CrystalMath; why is time on my mind
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21:20 CrystalMath; phanes: i don't think that would be good
21:20 CrystalMath; i would like there to be a multipolar world
21:20 phanes; CrystalMath, well it would certainly make americans less wealthy
21:20 CrystalMath; with several different currencies
21:20 CrystalMath; none of which can defeat the others
21:20 phanes; our way of live depends on the exploitation of weaker countries in every way
21:20 CrystalMath; it's actually better for there to be more than 2 such powers
21:21 CrystalMath; because if you have a 3-way multipolar world, you can have 2 stop the 1 that's trying to take more power
21:21 phanes; if you have 2 they will destroy the earth
21:21 phanes; if you have 3 there may be a careful balance until one falls into obscurity
21:21 phanes; ultimately there can be only one or none
21:21 CrystalMath; oh well, what's wrong with the world being destroyed anyway
21:21 MinceR; we already have 2
21:22 MinceR; the "let's pretend we're running a functioning democracy" pole and the "let's maximize totalitarian oppression" pole
21:22 MinceR; what would the 3rd one be?
21:23 CrystalMath; anyway, what matters is that the taliban are finally free to live the way they want to
21:23 CrystalMath; long live the taliban!
21:24 MinceR; finally, another small group gets what they want at the expense of tens of millions
21:24 MinceR; CrystalMath got his way yet again
21:25 phanes; lets say humans become space-faring
21:25 MinceR; that's already a stretch
21:26 phanes; does anyone seriously believe the zero-tolerance of failure required to survive in a space colony, just due to environment where one person making a single mistake kills an entire colony, can be achieved with anything happening right now
21:26 CrystalMath; then it would be easy, there would be a taliban planet and a very powerful defense grid around it, protecting their way of life... but in which direction would they pray? since it needs to be towards Mecca...
21:26 phanes; someone will say "i dont have to do that, im free" and then not maintain the airlock and then you've got millions dead
21:27 CrystalMath; phanes: obviously one is still free if they can leave their job of maintaining the airlock
21:27 phanes; a corporation who supplies oxygen supply could deem the colony "default of credit" and stop sending air
21:27 MinceR; phanes: i don't believe it can be achieved with human sloppiness and evil
21:27 phanes; absolutely nothing we are doing right now in governance would survive in space
21:28 MinceR; CrystalMath: who would develop that "very powerful defense grid"? where is it written in the qur'an how to build a space defense gun, for example?
21:28 phanes; and i post this: many, many years from now the humans will have to go to space to continue the species. if we do not solve the governance problem that will be a short-lived endeadvour for those very reasons
21:28 phanes; *posit
21:29 phanes; so if youre going to plan for the inevitable future, plan around that
21:29 MinceR; humans are doomed as long as they require governance
21:29 phanes; sure it'll long after we're dead, but its a fixed point in our future
21:30 phanes; *it'll be
21:30 phanes; technology can't solve that
21:30 phanes; there will always be governance as long as there is genetic diversity
21:31 phanes; and cultural diversity*
21:31 phanes; and income disparity*
21:31 phanes; even then we probably would still need it
21:32 MinceR; then humanity is doomed
21:32 phanes; but that's not the clincher. what you're suggesting is that it's a decision people make -- it's not, MinceR. Humans naturally and instinctually form decision authority power models at all levels in a vacuum.
21:32 MinceR; and, unless it can quickly evolve intelligent and civilized life in less than a billion years, so's the rest of life on Earth
21:32 MinceR; no, it's probably not a decision
21:32 phanes; They want to hate their governance but they also desperately crave it
21:33 MinceR; it's just human nature
21:33 MinceR; the extreme vulnerability to sociopaths
21:33 MinceR; the extreme vulnerability to memetic pathogens
21:33 MinceR; probably also a lack of solidarity
21:34 phanes; in any case there's nothing to fight over between nations anymore if they're all the same nation
21:34 phanes; all the same currency
21:34 MinceR; humans will find a way to divide themselves
21:35 MinceR; when christianity became dominant enough in europe, they found elements of dogma to bicker over and to torture and kill people for
21:35 MinceR; wanting to kill other people over skin color or gender are also obvious human things to do
21:36 phanes; which is why
21:36 phanes; we need
21:36 phanes; governance
21:37 MinceR; and i've mentioned why governance won't help
21:37 MinceR; at least if it's made of humans
21:37 phanes; morality street cred doesn't go as far when you have a justice system
21:37 MinceR; justice systems don't work either
21:37 CrystalMath; MinceR: i would, obviously :P
21:37 CrystalMath; MinceR: referring to what you wrote way above
21:37 MinceR; in hungary, it increasingly does what the state party wants
21:37 phanes; and it would need to be grotesquely hard to stay in power within it
21:38 MinceR; the ECHR just ignores human rights and favors complaining cultists
21:38 MinceR; in the USA, it took 4 years to compromise the topmost level of the justice system
21:38 CrystalMath; phanes: humans are not all the same
21:38 CrystalMath; i personally believe we are all different
21:38 CrystalMath; and we might as well be aliens to each other
21:38 phanes; the us justice system is not "compromised" it just isn't subscribing to your personal ethical ideals
21:38 MinceR; CrystalMath: would the taliban kill you for using heretical beliefs to build it, though?
21:39 MinceR; it isn't subscribing to its own alleged ideals
21:39 CrystalMath; phanes: honestly the current SCOTUS is probably the best justice system i've ever seen
21:39 MinceR; lol
21:40 CrystalMath; not that it should rule the world, but it is an inspiration
21:40 phanes; CrystalMath, agreed, they're actually reading what's on the books finally
21:40 MinceR; all the current SCOTUS does is package fascist ideals in legal language
21:40 MinceR; they may have been partisan before, but that just serves to prove my point
21:40 CrystalMath; MinceR: no, in fact they are very strongly resisting the urge to rule through mental gymnastics
21:40 MinceR; lol
21:40 MinceR; are they, now?
21:40 CrystalMath; they are strongly holding onto the division of powers within a government
21:40 MinceR; have you read any of the bullshit they published?
21:40 CrystalMath; i've read their opinions of the court
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21:41 phanes; CrystalMath, re: abortion, it will inevitably result in a formal amendment written in law instead of a weak patchwork of case dubious case rulings
21:41 CrystalMath; phanes: yeah, probably
21:41 MinceR; will it really?
21:41 MinceR; they had several cycles to do that, and it never materialized
21:41 CrystalMath; MinceR: it has to be supported by the will of the people
21:41 phanes; MinceR, sounds like youre mad at your legislators then and not the scotus
21:41 CrystalMath; for that to happen
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21:42 MinceR; i'm mad at many people, phanes
21:42 phanes; lol
21:42 CrystalMath; see, while SCOTUS has the power to use mental gymnastics to force everybody into something, the legislators can't as they are actually elected
21:42 CrystalMath; and they are booted if not re-elected
21:43 CrystalMath; a SCOTUS judge is for life
21:43 MinceR; i think this much advertised and adulated thing known as "human society" is a massive fractal of failures
21:43 MinceR; smaller failures inside larger failures
21:43 CrystalMath; so, if the US legislature wants to legalize abortion in all states, there has to be enough support for that
21:43 MinceR; a grand edifice describing human stupidity and evil in every detail
21:43 CrystalMath; the default position *should* be leaving it to the states, because decentralization is just more fair in general
21:44 phanes; there needs to be a bodily autonomy ammendment to the bill of rights
21:44 CrystalMath; the US states would be better off with a weaker federal government
21:44 phanes; and that could never have happened with roe v wade being the only leg for the practice itself to stand on
21:44 MinceR; currently in a time when humans can afford none of that crap
21:44 CrystalMath; phanes: what's wrong with leaving it to the states?
21:45 MinceR; "leaving it to the states" is just an excuse to oppress people harder where the fascists have greater control over the state
21:45 CrystalMath; i mean, yeah christianity is on the fall in general, i do expect there to be an abortion bill one day
21:45 phanes; CrystalMath, well, there's a strong argument that it should be a reserved right like speech, press, search and seizure, self-incrimination etc
21:45 MinceR; and every time they try to phrase things in such seemingly less loaded terms, it's always an excuse for something
21:45 CrystalMath; phanes: but right now there are still many christians in the south that think it's murder
21:45 MinceR; successful politicians are all sociopaths and they never ever tell the truth
21:45 MinceR; telling the truth is political suicide
21:46 MinceR; those christians do not think
21:46 MinceR; they read a childish book full of bullshit and believe it to be profound truth
21:46 phanes; CrystalMath, in some cases it ought to be, but perhaps not the cases they think it should be. we should never legislate christian dogma.
21:46 MinceR; if they can read, that is
21:47 DaemonFC; https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-relic-commits-to-restructuring-plan-including-layoffs-271660823014
21:47 TR Bot; Relic Commits to Restructuring Plan, Including Layoffs - MarketWatch
21:47 phanes; MinceR, easy there, the abrahamic religious texts are full of wise things, even if you don't subscribe to their religion (and even if most fundies have never read it)
21:47 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Another Web tracking firm just got rid of 110 employees.
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; good
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; what hicks said
21:47 CrystalMath; either way, handing this case back to the legislature makes sure that it's the people who decide, at least
21:48 phanes; yep
21:48 CrystalMath; though i still believe that what people "should" or "should not" do highly depends on the location
21:48 CrystalMath; there is no universal "should" or "should not"
21:48 MinceR; phanes: they're also full of sentences that directly contradict those alleged "wise" things
21:49 MinceR; and also full of just childish stupidity
21:49 CrystalMath; hence why i respect the taliban, they do a lot of things we think the should not, but i respect their difference
21:49 phanes; what i would like to not see though is have this stay a state-level thing forever, as that creates backwoods alabama shitholes feeling empowered to force atrocity -- it needs to be reserved at a higher level with some controls around it
21:49 DaemonFC; https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-contract-workers-accenture-austin-lost-jobs-2022-8
21:49 TR Bot; Facebook Contract Workers Through Accenture Let Go From Work
21:49 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], ^
21:49 DaemonFC; "Facebook contractors learned they lost work with the company through a video call with anonymous representatives who said an 'algorithm' chose random people to cut, workers say"
21:49 MinceR; like using one's unlimited power to curse a fig tree for not being in fruiting season
21:49 MinceR; that's just embarrassing
21:49 CrystalMath; phanes: i would like the see the federal government disappear
21:49 CrystalMath; and the entire world being fractured into tiny tiny communities
21:49 CrystalMath; all different
21:49 MinceR; tiny tiny totalitarian dictatorships
21:50 MinceR; one for every single crazy, sick person and their personal victims
21:50 MinceR; one for putler, one for xi jinping, one for orban, one for erdogan, one for gAIDS...
21:50 CrystalMath; MinceR: well idk, if you believe they would all be dictatorships, then you have no faith in the people around you either...
21:50 phanes; CrystalMath, all that will do is create power vaccuums that will be immediately filled by foreign powers, so, learn russian and chinese if that ever happens, and start with the phrase "please avoid my face, I need it for my job"
21:50 MinceR; CrystalMath: there are enough sociopaths to oppress everybody on this planet
21:50 MinceR; this should be obvious
21:51 CrystalMath; phanes: i may move to russia anyway, they're not that scary
21:51 MinceR; phanes: all that would achieve is that if you listened real closely, you could learn the phrase "fuck your face, i don't give a shit about your job or your face" in russian or in mandarin
21:51 phanes; CrystalMath, then you haven't seen the ugliness of russia yet
21:52 CrystalMath; truth be told, i don't know that much about it
21:52 phanes; the us has ugly too
21:52 MinceR; moving to russia will be a great opportunity to learn about the ugliness of russia
21:52 DaemonFC; https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/08/19/crypto-lender-hodlnaut-faces-singapore-police-actions-and-staggering-job-cuts/
21:52 TR Bot; Crypto Lender Hodlnaut Faces Singapore Police Actions and Job Cuts
21:52 phanes; but our ugly is far less scary than their ugly
21:52 MinceR; "camping opportunity?"
21:52 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Just don't write a donos on me, O.K.?
21:52 DaemonFC; "Singaporean crypto lender Hodlnaut disclosed massive layoffs and pending police proceedings in a Friday blog post that underscored the dire financial and legal straits faced by the latest firm to freeze crypto withdrawals.
21:52 DaemonFC; Hodlnaut said in the blog that it fired 40 people, which was 80% of its staff, and slashed interest rates to a 0% annual percentage rate in an attempt to stabilize our liquidity and cut costs. Its founders are working hard on a recovery plan and remain in Singapore."
21:52 CrystalMath; XRevan86: a what?
21:53 XRevan86; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/#Russian
21:53 TR Bot; - Wiktionary
21:53 CrystalMath; ah
21:55 CrystalMath; MinceR: but in russia i could have gas-powered cars with no electronics in them
21:55 MinceR; you could have that in many places
21:55 MinceR; just not sold as a new car
21:55 CrystalMath; and so many beautiful analog devices
21:55 phanes; https://thediplomat.com/2022/08/china-moves-to-fill-the-void-left-by-russia-sanctions-on-its-own-terms/
21:55 TR Bot; China Moves to Fill The Void Left By Russia Sanctions On Its Own Terms The Diplomat
21:56 MinceR; the USA has the 25-year rule, for example
21:56 MinceR; it's more difficult around here, as the cars built under russian rule are so crap they couldn't last this long
21:57 XRevan86; MinceR: They can.
21:57 CrystalMath; MinceR: there are actually some great Trabants in Hungary
21:57 XRevan86; And they do.
21:57 MinceR; there's at least 1 trabant in the usa, too
21:58 XRevan86; Maybe too much.
21:58 MinceR; iirc Aging Wheels had a video of it
21:58 CrystalMath; MinceR: yeah i saw it on youtube, it's great
21:58 MinceR; Doug DeMuro had a video about a Yugo
21:58 CrystalMath; such a beautiful car, and it's the closest thing the world has had to an open source car
21:58 MinceR; lol
21:58 MinceR; try using it for a while, then
21:58 MinceR; iirc its engine is so laughably weak it had trouble going up the incline on M7 at Erd
21:58 CrystalMath; i think i've seen one as a kid, but i don't remember ever being in it
21:59 MinceR; i've been in one
21:59 MinceR; it's cramped and low quality
21:59 MinceR; and in general eastern bloc cars tended to be so poorly made people would take them to the worshop right after getting one, to have it taken apart and put together properly
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22:00 CrystalMath; when i saw a youtube video describing it, i thought.... "this is the BSD of cars"
22:00 MinceR; it isn't
22:00 MinceR; unix workstations tended to be powerful
22:00 CrystalMath; some people have actually rebuilt its engine from scratch
22:00 MinceR; eastern bloc cars never were
22:01 MinceR; you'd better, as they don't last :>
22:01 CrystalMath; well you need to take care of it, it's not just something you buy and forget
22:01 CrystalMath; also you have to premix oil
22:01 MinceR; yeah, and then you create blue smoke
22:02 MinceR; because it's an idiotic, primitive design that burns oil by design
22:02 CrystalMath; the oil is used to lubricate the engine
22:02 MinceR; same in 4-stroke engines
22:02 MinceR; yet those don't burn so much oil
22:02 CrystalMath; yes but 2-stroke is simpler to make
22:03 MinceR; who cares
22:03 CrystalMath; you need to be able to make your own engine
22:03 MinceR; just get a car built by people who know what they're doing
22:03 CrystalMath; you're an open source person, you should know the importance of this independence
22:03 MinceR; (i.e. japanese car)
22:03 CrystalMath; "just rely on others" = big mistake, other people want the worst to you
22:03 MinceR; there's no "open source" car
22:03 CrystalMath; or at least you should always suspect other people
22:03 MinceR; also, cars are fiendishly complex by necessirt
22:03 MinceR; s/rt/ty/
22:03 CrystalMath; but one man has build a trabant engine from scratch
22:04 MinceR; and you'd expect that thing to last decades
22:04 CrystalMath; used some really weird material for the interior of the piston shaft, whatever it's called
22:04 MinceR; so yeah, i'd love a free hardware design / free software car, but it's not even close to existing
22:04 CrystalMath; but it worked
22:04 MinceR; it would need the equivalent of decades of experience in production and support built into the design
22:05 CrystalMath; still, i've never heard of ONE man building any other kind of engine
22:05 CrystalMath; so, you have the option of homemade 2-stroke, or factory made 4-stroke designed by people who hate you
22:06 MinceR; you think the people who designed the trabant engine hate me less than all the people who designed 4-stroke engines?
22:06 CrystalMath; MinceR: that problem disappears if you create a trabant yourself
22:06 MinceR; if you "create" a trabant yourself, you end up with a trabant
22:07 MinceR; that's kind of like the Gratis Windows Foundation's newer goal of having a gratis (but not free) windows imitation (based on systemd) available to everyone
22:07 DaemonFC; https://layoffstracker.com/wayfair-lays-off-5-workforce-870-employees/
22:07 TR Bot; lays off 5% Workforce 870 Employees - LayoffsTracker
22:07 MinceR; what's the point if the design is crap anyway?
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22:07 CrystalMath; MinceR: because it's open source
22:07 DaemonFC; How the hell is 870 jobs "5%" of Wayfair.
22:07 MinceR; not even free?
22:08 CrystalMath; MinceR: clearly if you can build it yourself, modify it, distribute it...
22:08 MinceR; i'd rather build a Land Cruiser, even if it's an ancient model
22:08 CrystalMath; hmm, but can you?
22:08 MinceR; no
22:09 CrystalMath; it's probably hard to make a homemade 4-stroke engine
22:09 CrystalMath; though i have seen some, they weren't made by one person
22:09 MinceR; it's hard to make any sort of car at home from scratch
22:09 MinceR; engines are particularly difficult
22:09 CrystalMath; steam engines are easier
22:09 MinceR; maybe a Battery Electric Vehicle is easier... unless you want to build the lithium ion cells at home
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; (NEW): BTW, You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/BTW_You_Should_Use_Arch_And_why_you_should_consider_using_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/BTW_You_Should_Use_Arch_And_why_you_should_consider_using_Linux.gmi
22:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines BTW, You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: ^
22:10 CrystalMath; MinceR: or steam
22:10 CrystalMath; you can use natural gas to heat the water tank
22:10 MinceR; i suspect a steam car would come with very serious compromises
22:10 MinceR; OTOH it's going to be easier to power after the collapse
22:11 CrystalMath; MinceR: they're very cool
22:11 MinceR; you could just use biomass to power it
22:11 MinceR; can you drive one uphill, though?
22:13 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], there are good reasons why I used Fedora and then Arch
22:13 CrystalMath; MinceR: do remember that steam cars need minutes to start
22:13 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], i wanted the most recent packages of software
22:13 CrystalMath; tens of minutes
22:14 CrystalMath; MinceR: so, it can't be used to escape a flood or natural disaster in an emergency
22:15 CrystalMath; unless the emergency is known an hour in advance :P
22:17 CrystalMath; (when i said "minutes" I meant "many minutes")
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], nice article though
22:20 starstreak; just today I got an update to the latest GCC
22:20 starstreak; [britney@archbtw ~]$ gcc --version
22:20 starstreak; gcc (GCC) 12.2.0
22:21 starstreak; there is also a meme that trans women run arch and have anime girl profile pics, so i had to switch to arch for the memes
22:22 starstreak; https://youtu.be/G-mLyrHonvU
22:22 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=G-mLyrHonvU
22:22 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Archinstall - Arch Linux Made Easy - Invidious
22:23 starstreak; ^ I saw this video and found out archinstall supports full disk encryption which was what was holding me back from switching to arch
22:26 starstreak; im a smug anime girl running arch btw
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22:40 DaemonFC; https://www.insider.com/missouri-fake-abortion-clinic-tried-sabotage-a-womans-pregnancy-termination-2022-8
22:40 TR Bot; A Fake Abortion Clinic Tried to Sabotage My Pregnancy Termination
22:41 DaemonFC; Mom claims they've "watered down" the effectiveness of the birth control pill to the point where you can't really rely on it anymore.
22:41 DaemonFC; I've known several women who were taking them who got pregnant anyway.
22:42 DaemonFC; It wouldn't surprise me. I don't trust doctors.
22:42 DaemonFC; Most of them aren't very honest with their patients.
22:42 starstreak; anti-abortion is white supremacy
22:42 DaemonFC; I don't know how.
22:43 starstreak; the idea is about the population
22:43 DaemonFC; If over 80% of them are blacks, then why would white supremacists want rid of abortion?
22:43 DaemonFC; I don't get the long term gain here. More blacks?
22:43 starstreak; most of the women who get abortions are white so its a way of increasing the white population
22:43 DaemonFC; That's not true.
22:43 DaemonFC; Most of the women getting them are black.
22:44 starstreak; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZhxkF64yfE
22:44 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=XZhxkF64yfE
22:44 TR Bot; y.com.sb | White Supremacy and the Anti-Abortion Movement - Invidious
22:44 starstreak; 1 hour long
22:44 DaemonFC; 38% of abortions are black women, compared with 13% of the US population being black.
22:45 DaemonFC; The next highest group is 21% being Hispanic/Latino.
22:45 starstreak; republicans want to increase the white population without increasing immigration because that lets in non whites
22:46 DaemonFC; Non-Hispanic whites getting abortions are 33% of all abortions in the US, but we're like almost 60% of the population.
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22:46 starstreak; depends on the area
22:46 starstreak; but even so, they just want more white babies
22:46 DaemonFC; Oh well, in that case, things get even worse for whites.
22:46 XRevan86; starstreak: Orthey are catering to the traditionalist types.
22:47 DaemonFC; Because the states that have total or near-total abortion bans now have lots and lots of blacks.
22:47 DaemonFC; Like Mississippi, where they are nearly 40% of the population iirc.
22:47 starstreak; XRevan86, that too
22:48 DaemonFC; The ten states that banned it, nearly all the abortions are blacks.
22:48 DaemonFC; The only state with a ban coming in the next three months that doesn't have a lot of blacks is Indiana.
22:48 DaemonFC; And the blacks living in Indiana mostly live on the border with Chicago and will get the abortions anyway.
22:48 starstreak; https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
22:48 TR Bot; Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence | KFF
22:49 DaemonFC; Indiana shouldn't really be happy about Illinois becoming unaffordable.
22:49 starstreak; Indiana: 52% white, 32% black
22:49 DaemonFC; The result of that is the black people are piling out and establishing a new home in Indiana because it's close by and still cheap.
22:49 starstreak; where are your stats?
22:50 DaemonFC; Typically, most blacks living in Indiana are concentrated where you'd expect.
22:50 DaemonFC; The Chicago area, followed by Indianapolis, and Fort Wayne.
22:50 DaemonFC; They tended to stay out of small rural areas, but that's changing.
22:51 DaemonFC; I was on the phone with mom and she says that in Huntington, there's a lot of them living in some cheap motels there now.
22:51 starstreak; dude, check out my link
22:51 starstreak; https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22White%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D
22:51 TR Bot; Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence | KFF
22:51 starstreak; the data shows that white people dominate the stats for legal abortions
22:51 DaemonFC; My guess is the motels are the only place they can live because the federal anti-discrimination laws are much more enforced on businesses than they are in "housing".
22:52 starstreak; racist republicans want to increase the population without immigration
22:52 DaemonFC; And so motels can't turn them away as easily as a private landlord who can just not rent to them and not say why.
22:52 DaemonFC; There's a million reasons not to rent to someone that are perfectly legal.
22:52 DaemonFC; Proving that it was because you're black is impossible. You can't read the guy's mind and get it admitted into evidence.
22:53 DaemonFC; So he'll just focus on what's legal.
22:53 DaemonFC; And that'll be the reason, even though an otherwise equal white person would get the apartment.
22:53 DaemonFC; Like, maybe he doesn't really care about felons as long as it's a white felon.
22:54 DaemonFC; Or maybe you just barely have the income to rent it, but so does a white person, and he figures a white tenant who is poor is less likely to fuck him on the rent and use the property for crimes.
22:54 DaemonFC; So he rents it to the poor white person.
22:55 TR News; Flameshot Not Working On Wlroots & Sway: Heres The Fix - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6O6WBtchg_c | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/6O6WBtchg_c
22:55 TR Bot; Flameshot Not Working On Wlroots & Sway: Here's The Fix - Invidious
22:55 TR News; (NEW): KaOS 2022.08 Run Through https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/KaOS_2022_08_Run_Through.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/KaOS_2022_08_Run_Through.gmi
22:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines KaOS 2022.08 Run Through
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22:57 starstreak; racist conservatives changed the immigration system in canada by using a points system so only rich people can get in
22:57 TR News; Internet-connected browsers should NOT do this. Standalone password managers, which are audited, should. https://www.maketecheasier.com/safari-save-passwords-ios/
22:57 TR Bot; How to Make Mobile Safari Save Your Passwords on iOS - Make Tech Easier
22:57 DaemonFC; Landlords really hate a certain type of tenant. The four commandments of trying to rent an apartment are "Thou Shalt Not Have Any Evictions Record", "Thou Shalt Not Be Late On Rent", and "Thou Shalt Not Draw Police Attention", and "Thou Shalt Not Cause Extreme Property Damage". And if you do any of those things, you're out.
22:57 DaemonFC; It's in almost every lease that any criminal activity on or involving the property is grounds for having the lease terminated by the landlord.
22:58 TR News; iustin - Note to self: Don't forget Qemu's discard option https://k1024.org/posts/2022/2022-08-21-do-not-forget-qemu-unmap/ Source: Iustin Pop | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//k1024.org/posts/2022/2022-08-21-do-not-forget-qemu-unmap/
22:58 TR Bot; iustin - Note to self: Don't forget Qemu's discard option
22:58 DaemonFC; When I was accused (not convicted) of a misdemeanor, the landlord claimed he terminated my lease.
22:58 DaemonFC; The penalties start immediately even though theoretically you're innocent.
22:58 DaemonFC; Landlords don't rent to people with anything "pending" in the court system.
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 121.26
22:59 DaemonFC; They consider it a risk that the court will sentence you to go to jail and there won't be anyone there paying the rent when they do that.
22:59 DaemonFC; So you can not just lose your existing lease, but nobody wants to risk having you hauled off to jail and having an apartment full of your stuff they have to clear out and list the apartment again in the middle of the lease.
22:59 TR News; ArchLabs 2022.08.21 is out today https://archlabslinux.com/
22:59 TR Bot; ArchLabs Linux Inspired by BunsenLabs. Powered by Arch Linux.
23:00 DaemonFC; There's only so much of a headache the landlord will put up with from any renter before they call it and take them to court or won't renew the lease.
23:01 DaemonFC; So if you know what's best for you, your strategy should be to just hunker down and keep signing leases as long as you can unless and until something outrageous happens.
23:01 DaemonFC; And don't cause any trouble.
23:01 DaemonFC; We're going into a really shitty economy right now and nobody admits it.
23:02 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR] knows that. What kind of media gaslighting is going on.
23:02 DaemonFC; It's all to protect the Democrats because they've been good to the corporate types.
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; pretty much
23:02 DaemonFC; They've raised taxes and dumped it all out on corporations. The "CHIPS and SCIENCE Act!".
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; it MIGHT be a recession, ryan
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; but unemployment is VERY low
23:02 DaemonFC; Then Intel gets the money and announces less investment and more dividends.
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; ryan, you are employed
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; according to the oligarchs' records
23:03 DaemonFC; I have "insurance" too!
23:03 DaemonFC; I'm being well taken care of, you know.
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; "if you ain't looking no more, problem solved. You are SORTED."
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; democrats and republicans alike: 409% of our adult population is RETIRED!
23:03 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I can tell you why people are becoming more violent.
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; *40%
23:03 DaemonFC; More people with nothing left to lose.
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; no healthcare either
23:04 DaemonFC; Even in prison, you get a bed, you don't freeze, you don't have to wonder where your insulin or food is coming from.
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; buybacks for Intel
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; good for shareholders
23:04 DaemonFC; They treat fucking prisoners better than they do people who haven't done anything wrong.
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; prisons are for-profit
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; so it's OK
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; soon they'll do conscription there
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; and forced labour
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; helmets and stuff
23:05 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], No need.
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; like in russia and china, respectively
23:05 DaemonFC; Indiana "reformed" their criminal code back in 2013.
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; the military struggled to recruit at the moment
23:05 DaemonFC; After promising the prison companies more prisoners.
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; it was in the news this month/lately
23:05 DaemonFC; They took a bunch of misdemeanors and turned them into felonies.
23:06 DaemonFC; All they really have to do is make it easier to seriously fuck yourself.
23:06 DaemonFC; And there's more prisoners.
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; person goes to jail
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; person release
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; person struggles
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; thinks, heck prison was not so bad
23:06 DaemonFC; person goes back to prison
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; let's steal shit
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; if I win, I win
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; it I lose, I win
23:07 DaemonFC; Yeah, when prison is better than "freedom", your country is fucked beyond hope.
23:07 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1561455861696004098
23:07 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile in Russia: a revealing look at the way Russian pundits and experts talk about Ukrainians, describing them as primitive, but cunning and two-faced villagers, devoid of their own national identity, too ignorant to grasp the Russian imperial need for territorial expansion."|nitter.it
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; the prison industry likes it
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; GEO Corp?
23:07 DaemonFC; Out of prison, they do fucking nothing for you, schestowitz[TR]
23:07 DaemonFC; You'll be lucky to find a meal somewhere.
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.geogroup.com/
23:07 TR Bot; The GEO Group - Official Website
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; .com :-)
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; when your prison is a for-profit company
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.geogroup.com/LOCATIONS
23:08 TR Bot; Locations
23:08 schestowitz[TR]; U.S. Secure Services 51 Facilities 65,080 Beds
23:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], It's pretty bad, you know, how frightened I am. Depressed.
23:08 DaemonFC; My mom doesn't like how I've been talking.
23:08 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_Group
23:08 TR Bot; GEO Group - Wikipedia
23:08 DaemonFC; I said if anything happens to me, please take care of the cats and Mandy.
23:08 schestowitz[TR]; "The GEO Group, Inc. (GEO) is a publicly traded C corporation that invests in private prisons"
23:09 DaemonFC; He's not helpless, but this government is so rotten and it is a foreign country to him.
23:09 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: you are better at taking care of mandy and the cats
23:09 DaemonFC; He probably couldn't get a library card without me helping him.
23:09 schestowitz[TR]; hang in there
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; write stuff, don't think TOO much
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; when the rich are done stealing all the capital and break costs $5 a loaf, for many people there will be nothing left to eat but the rich
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; and their capital
23:11 DaemonFC; I'd like to say "Hell, they never broke Nelson Mandela..." But the people who came after him are worse than the apartheid people.
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; in ukraine they already struggle to get food, in some areas
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; YOU have food
23:11 DaemonFC; That's true.
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; and extra in thew belly
23:11 DaemonFC; No danger of Russian cruise missiles hitting my apartment building.
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; for hard times
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; you can go on for months without eating
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; the fatties
23:12 DaemonFC; The UK is in more danger from Russia than I am.
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; obese
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; months
23:12 DaemonFC; Come to think of it.
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; water is another matter
23:12 DaemonFC; The UK has been broke for quite a while.
23:13 schestowitz[TR]; most countries
23:13 DaemonFC; Not in as much "book" debt.
23:13 schestowitz[TR]; UK is not yet as poor as US
23:13 DaemonFC; Just letting all their stuff go while they make budget cuts.
23:13 schestowitz[TR]; and crime here nowhere near
23:13 schestowitz[TR]; US is off the charts
23:13 DaemonFC; Crime is off the charts in the cities, Roy.
23:13 DaemonFC; What else is new?
23:13 DaemonFC; You could give those animals in Chicago a 24 karat gold bar every month they go without killing or raping someone.
23:14 DaemonFC; And it wouldn't be enough for a lot of them.
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: theya re poorer than you
23:14 DaemonFC; They don't think in terms of how desperate they are for food or a place to live.
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; and more desperate than you
23:14 DaemonFC; A lot are criminals because that's what they want to do that moment.
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; they live with and talk to other desperate people
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; brb
23:15 DaemonFC; And they don't have any mental capacity to go "You know, if I clunk that woman over the head and rape her and set her on fire in a dumpster.....what happens to ME tomorrow?".
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; just deployed some gut front end in gemini for tuxmachines
23:15 DaemonFC; That's not just a poverty problem.
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; *git
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: that's an extreme example
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; probably the dickest in the head
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; and that makes more headlines
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; *sickest
23:17 DaemonFC; There's a lot of those down there.
23:17 DaemonFC; It's in the news every day.
23:17 DaemonFC; Hell, almost every day in Lake County.
23:17 DaemonFC; It's terrifying how normal people can "seem" and be so fucked in the head.
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; trauma messes people up
23:18 DaemonFC; Normal people spend so much time being afraid of me because I have no fashion sense or a strange personality, that they ignore the fact that I'm not the danger.
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; and they look for revenge
23:18 DaemonFC; The people who seem normal are the ones they need to watch out for.
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; programming themselves or making alliances with other nuts
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; see mandy's sister
23:19 DaemonFC; Yeah, their dad had a trove of zoo porn apparently.
23:19 DaemonFC; The guy was a complete sicko.
23:19 DaemonFC; Then he kills a dog and roasts it and that's dinner.
23:19 DaemonFC; I mean, what was he doing to HER?
23:19 DaemonFC; Or for that matter, Mandy, that I haven't heard about.
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:20 TR News; "I still cant believe we did this for two years; even just a weekend of it left me feeling irritable and tired. My dad used to say the most exhausting thing you can do is nothing, and Ive really come to understand this of late." https://rubenerd.com/it-sure-felt-like-a-long-weekend/
23:20 TR Bot; It sure felt like a long weekend!
23:20 DaemonFC; It sounded like his parents were a couple of miserable wretches who had a sad, short, life.
23:20 DaemonFC; And not short enough.
23:21 DaemonFC; But not everyone turns out like their parents, you know.
23:21 techuser; cuddlybear66: parent-child relationships topic, perhaps
23:22 DaemonFC; Most parents are bad parents.
23:22 DaemonFC; But it's different types and degrees of bad.
23:22 techuser; cuddlybear66 thinks she would be better than others. Other parents also think like this.
23:22 DaemonFC; Most of them are just shitty parents because having kids was not what they wanted in life and "it just happened" and then they realize personally that it ended everything that they wanted to do.
23:22 TR News; "Social engineering is a powerful method for hackers to exploit computer systems without the use of malware or computer hacking tools." https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-hackers-use-social-engineering-to-get-passwords-on-facebook/
23:23 TR Bot; How Hackers Use Social Engineering to Get Passwords on Facebook? - GeeksforGeeks
23:23 DaemonFC; I think, looking back to 1997-1999, my mom just had a mid-life crisis and it ended up hurting her greatly.
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; a real crisis?
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; or menopause-related depression?
23:24 DaemonFC; Because instead of being with my dad, who was mostly just boring and kind of a control freak, she ended up with stupid men who beat her and committed adultery.
23:24 DaemonFC; Well, for at least 6-7 more years she was menstruating because the dog would grab the tampons out of the bathroom trash and try to eat them.
23:24 DaemonFC; And leave bits all over the floor.
23:25 TR News; WSL https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/h_600,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feb762d5e-1e1a-44a6-9c9d-e4def71a40f5_768x768.jpeg
23:25 DaemonFC; Thank God she never had any kids with Brian.
23:25 techuser; and I just have no idea what to do
23:25 DaemonFC; He had too many already and they're all criminals.
23:25 techuser; maybe my life is fucked up from the beginning
23:25 DaemonFC; Like, "HERR DERR I PUNCHED A COP DAD BUT IT'LL BE FINE BECAUSE I DID DRYWALL FOR HIM LAST WEEK!".
23:25 techuser; I will probably get a job, and I will earn money, and I will have no idea what to spend it on, aside basic life needs
23:26 DaemonFC; Or his daughter that got caught by a cop on the way to her probation meeting for something else with a joint and a jar of her daughter's piss in a bottle on the seat in plain view.
23:26 DaemonFC; I mean like, not even smart enough to toss it under the seat and play it off like she was rummaging for her registration.
23:26 TR News; [Old] It is happening here: Massachusetts has a growing neo-Nazi movement https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/05/18/it-is-happening-here-massachusetts-has-a-growing-neo-nazi-movement
23:26 TR Bot; It is happening here: Massachusetts has a growing neo-Nazi movement
23:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Radar detectors are not illegal in Indiana, but a cop pulled me over for speeding one night because it didn't go off in time.
23:27 DaemonFC; I yanked it off my windshield and threw it under the seat before he pulled me over.
23:27 DaemonFC; I ended up getting a warning.
23:28 DaemonFC; But like, I'm smart enough that even in a panic I'm like "He sees that, like, my intention was to speed and just know if there were cops nearby. He'll laugh and write me a ticket.".
23:29 DaemonFC; I had to be on the road all the time back then and I got the detector because it usually went off in time to slow down.
23:29 schestowitz[TR]; "you got off with a warning," that's what she said...
23:29 DaemonFC; It just didn't that particular time.
23:29 schestowitz[TR]; they are a waste of money
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; just obey road rules
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; the radars won't save you
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; cops can still frame you
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; the radara dns cams are not evidence
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; the courts won't admit them
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; unless they can be used against you
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; avoid cops
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; the radar won't help you avoid cops
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; it might tell you to be extra careful
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; they score point by
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; 1) fining
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; 1) solving
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; 3) framing
23:31 DaemonFC; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/17/covid-longer-term-elevated-risk-brain-fog-dementia-study
23:31 TR Bot; Covid linked to longer-term elevated risk of brain fog and dementia | Coronavirus | The Guardian
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; so nothing good (for you) will come out of it
23:31 DaemonFC; And Mom didn't want to get on the pills for COVID.
23:32 DaemonFC; Ugh, the last thing I need is Mom in another state losing her mind.
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; guardian=bill gates
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; avoid, ignore
23:32 DaemonFC; She would have been so much better off. We all would have. If she had just left things the hell alone and stayed with Dad.
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; but the studies are real
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; link to the studies
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; not bill's guardian
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; cdc/nih published a study in july
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; I linked to that
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; guardian can go f*** themselves
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; in a plane with epstein
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; their sponsor's BFF
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; "don't kid yourself, bill"
23:36 TR News; BEING A CANADIAN FROM INDIA http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2022/08/21/being-a-canadian/
23:36 TR Bot; Harvey Tobkes Blog Archive RUSSELL PETERS TALKS ABOUT HIS DAD & BEING A CANADIAN FROM INDIA
23:38 DaemonFC; I was checking out the Libertarian candidate for Senate.
23:38 DaemonFC; He wants a 19% flat tax (federal) on income.
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23:41 DaemonFC; That would be a disaster for us.
23:41 DaemonFC; Is there a political party that wouldn't be a disaster for us?
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; maybe unlawful ones
23:42 DaemonFC; For starters, the 19% flat tax isn't just "Oh well, you're all in a 19% flat tax, but there's this thing that exempts each person's first $12,950 in income and all these retirement tax credits.".
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; there is also no ranked voting system
23:42 DaemonFC; It means.....Hand over 19% of your income, now.
23:43 starstreak; desktop screenshot time: https://imgur.com/a/4XjEZAi
23:43 TR Bot; The magic of the Internet
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; applies to corporations and oligarchs too?
23:43 DaemonFC; Right now we start out at 10% and get all of these deductions.
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; they don't declare "incoming"
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; they use loopholes
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; like stocks
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23:43 schestowitz[TR]; and claim their salary is $1
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; the media plays along
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; like it's a good joke
23:43 DaemonFC; So by the time you deduct everything, it's not even half the 10%.
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; when in fact it's a fraud
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; but we know who owns the media
23:44 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I really doubt the 19% income tax would hurt Gates.
23:44 DaemonFC; They always figure out how to get money and it's not "income".
23:44 DaemonFC; That's a neat trick.
23:44 schestowitz[TR]; yes, his bank is in cayman
23:44 schestowitz[TR]; btw, cayman is remote
23:44 schestowitz[TR]; maybe he can even screw babies in there
23:44 schestowitz[TR]; and say it's legal
23:44 schestowitz[TR]; who knows..
23:44 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, the media isn't investigating things anymore
23:45 DaemonFC; He'd have to renounce his US citizenship for it to be legal to have sex with anyone under 18 in another country.
23:45 DaemonFC; But if nobody goes after him, is it a law?
23:45 schestowitz[TR]; yes
23:45 schestowitz[TR]; US "law"
23:45 schestowitz[TR]; acosta let Epstein off the hook
23:45 schestowitz[TR]; it taook ages just to prosecute
23:45 schestowitz[TR]; or to indict
23:45 schestowitz[TR]; everyone knew
23:46 DaemonFC; It would be legal for me to have sex with someone who is 17 in Illinois.
23:46 DaemonFC; Because I'm not, like, a cop or THEIR teacher or a social worker.
23:47 DaemonFC; Maybe people would frown on that, but there's nothing the District Attorney could really do.
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23:47 DaemonFC; They keep introducing bills to bring it up to 18 but they never act on them.
23:47 schestowitz[TR]; "screwing while rich" is the new "walking while black"
23:48 TR News; Phaedrus Leeds: GUADEC 2022 Happenings https://blogs.gnome.org/mwleeds/2022/08/21/guadec-2022-happenings/
23:48 TR Bot; GUADEC 2022 Happenings Phaedrus Leeds' GNOME Blog
23:48 DaemonFC; They also try to remove the affirmative defense of "I credibly thought they were 17.".
23:48 DaemonFC; Like, it's a decent defense because it's in the law itself.
23:48 DaemonFC; If a "reasonable person" would have thought they were 17, it's not illegal.
23:49 DaemonFC; So the "They lied to me and I didn't verify it." defense can get you off the hook if the jury agrees that they looked older.
23:49 TR News; The unavailable gadget we badly need to invent https://www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2022/08/19/the-unavailable-gadget-we-badly-need-to-invent/
23:49 TR Bot; The unavailable gadget we badly need to invent Cliffski's Blog
23:49 DaemonFC; There was a bill to get rid of that defense in the current session.
23:50 DaemonFC; I think we're going into another burst of "puritanism".
23:50 TR News; Learning OCaml - (think) https://batsov.com/articles/2022/08/19/learning-ocaml/ Source: Bozhidar Batsov | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//batsov.com/articles/2022/08/19/learning-ocaml/
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23:50 TR Bot; Learning OCaml - (think)
23:50 DaemonFC; There's "protecting young children" and then there's this.
23:51 TR News; People of Cook, you can make Josh the comeback kid - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/people-of-cook-you-can-make-josh-frydenberg-the-comeback-kid/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/people-of-cook-you-can-make-josh-frydenberg-the-comeback-kid/
23:51 TR Bot; People of Cook, you can make Josh the comeback kid - Michael West
23:51 DaemonFC; There's no evidence at all that juries across the Great State of ILL are being hoodwinked into letting pedophiles go on the "She told me she was older!" defense.
23:51 DaemonFC; And in some cases, it may be a good defense. Why are we removing something that the jury can and should consider?
23:51 TR News; Is this an affront to the constitution, or a lucky break for a bunch of precious people? - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/is-this-an-affront-to-the-constitution-or-a-lucky-break-for-a-bunch-of-precious-people/ Source: Michael West Media
23:51 TR Bot; Is this an affront to the constitution, or a lucky break for a bunch of precious people? - Michael West
23:52 DaemonFC; Whether a person could have been tricked into breaking the law through no fault of their own should always be something for the jury to consider and it should always be the right of the accused to say they got duped.
23:52 DaemonFC; Maybe the jury goes for it, maybe they don't. It's your right to tell them that. Or should be.
23:52 TR News; "The property market is a favourite for money launderers, forcing ordinary Australians to compete with organised crime for their dream home, says investigative author Nathan Lynch." https://michaelwest.com.au/lucky-laundry-review-aml-australia-property-money-laundering/
23:52 TR Bot; 'Lucky Laundry' review: how Australia got caught in a toxic spin cycle - Michael West
23:52 DaemonFC; We have politicians that want to strip everyone of their right to defend themselves in court.
23:53 DaemonFC; Once you have no right to say "Look, I didn't mean to do that!" and let the jury decide whether to believe it or show leniency, it all comes down to whether you can prove you did it or not.
23:53 TR News; "Qantas is trying to take over Alliance Airlines, a competitor in the lucrative FIFO market the flying in and out of mine workers in remote locations. The ACCC is not so sure its a good idea, so whats the scam?" https://michaelwest.com.au/qantas-takeover-of-alliance-airlines-stuttering-on-the-runway-whats-the-scam/
23:53 TR Bot; Qantas takeover of Alliance Airlines stuttering on the runway, what's the scam?
23:53 DaemonFC; There will be no room for leniency and there will be less justice than there is now as a result.
23:54 schestowitz[TR]; jury trialks are a joke in many contextx
23:54 schestowitz[TR]; as the jury has no knowledge if the problem domain
23:54 schestowitz[TR]; it's a show trial
23:54 DaemonFC; Yeah, which is the only reason I made a plea deal.
23:54 DaemonFC; The alternative was going to a show trial in a system that has a higher conviction rate than the Nazi People's Court.
23:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I demanded a trial in the traffic case.
23:55 schestowitz[TR]; aka Sont Berlin?
23:55 schestowitz[TR]; *Sony
23:55 DaemonFC; Nothing to lose there.
23:55 DaemonFC; The cop hands you a ticket, you can pay it or fight it.
23:55 DaemonFC; If you fight and lose, you pay the ticket, which is no worse than paying the ticket.
23:56 starstreak; interesting, google wants to replace linux with this: https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/learn-fuchsia
23:56 TR Bot; Get started | Fuchsia
23:56 DaemonFC; So in traffic cases, ALWAYS go to court and maybe something will fall through or you'll get a plea deal that's better than mailing it in with money.
23:56 starstreak; it'll run linux and android software
23:56 schestowitz[TR]; will?
23:56 DaemonFC; The worst has already happened when you get the ticket.
23:56 schestowitz[TR]; or was supposed to?
23:56 schestowitz[TR]; it seems to have gone nowehre
23:57 schestowitz[TR]; almost vapourware
23:57 starstreak; i just found out about it today
23:57 starstreak; maybe it is vapourware
23:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Yes, Sony's office in Berlin was the Nazi People's Court.
23:57 DaemonFC; I knew that already.
23:57 schestowitz[TR]; it is an impressive building though
23:57 DaemonFC; There has to be something at that address I suppose.
23:57 schestowitz[TR]; but commercial failure
23:57 DaemonFC; Are they going to tear down every building because someone lost a war?
23:58 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> it is an impressive building though
23:58 DaemonFC; Fascist architecture usually is superb because Fascism itself is going for a psychological effect.
23:58 DaemonFC; You ever notice that the Nazis had really sharp uniforms too?
23:58 DaemonFC; Nobody else had good looking uniforms like that.
23:59 DaemonFC; It's all about optics, Roy.
23:59 schestowitz[TR]; I cannot find photos from there
23:59 schestowitz[TR]; I thought we had taken some
23:59 DaemonFC; When you say you're creating a great society, you have to impress. With architecture. With uniforms. With pageantry.
23:59 schestowitz[TR]; maybe just didn't upload them
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