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00:01 bnchs__; "Godot received a $24,000 donation from Microsoft to implement C# as a scripting language in Godot"
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00:01 bnchs__; counting bribes as "donation"
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00:14 MinceR; :(
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00:17 psydroid2; oh, that's why they have that C# crap version
00:17 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22020771
00:17 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/u4ognwonbsf81.jpg created on 2022-02-07 22:28:16.258054
00:17 psydroid2; I was already confused so I just built it from scratch
00:17 psydroid2; and I don't have any Mono or .NET installed
00:17 psydroid2; also
00:18 psydroid2; $24,000 is nothing for that kind of work
00:18 psydroid2; are they handing out tips or something?
00:18 MinceR; they're buying influence
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00:18 MinceR; and loyalty
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00:24 XRevan86; This IRC server makes me wish biboumi had auto-reconnect.
00:25 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Maybe we should talk about "Holdup".
00:25 DaemonFC; And how there are disturbing signs of potential untoward practices going on behind the curtains.
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00:44 DaemonFC; $24,000? That's it?
00:44 DaemonFC; Who accepts $24,000 for that amount of skilled labor?
00:50 bnchs__; so the math library i used had a miscalculation
00:53 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22020618
00:53 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/zuiwfml8mtf81.png created on 2022-02-06 07:45:00.996665
00:55 bnchs__; finally pixel perfect 2D drawing in a 3D library
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01:00 bnchs__; goodnight
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01:18 TR News; #Mozilla uses #DataPrivacyDay to pretend that it still values users' #privacy (it did a long time ago, not it's just posing) https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/how-to-secure-data-online/
01:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/how-to-secure-data-online/
01:18 TR Bot; How to secure your data in less than 10 minutes
01:29 TR News; The #WWW is resorting to malware and Web sites are becoming nothing short of #malware https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NOw8FAz-Qyc
01:29 TR Bot; Could Crypto Mining Ever Replace Advertising? - Invidious
01:31 TR News; Sorting beads the easy way | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/02/16/sorting-beads-the-easy-way/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking
01:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/02/16/sorting-beads-the-easy-way/
01:31 TR Bot; Sorting beads the easy way | Arduino Blog
01:35 TR News; #mozilla does not and cannot speak for #privacy ... it still exploits a reputation it deliberately lost years ago https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/americans-deserve-federal-privacy-protections-and-greater-transparency-into-hidden-harms-online/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
01:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/americans-deserve-federal-privacy-protections-and-greater-transparency-into-hidden-harms-online/
01:35 TR Bot; Americans deserve federal privacy protections and greater transparency into hidden harms online
01:35 TR Bot; Mozilla - Techrights
01:35 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The IRS has a lot of fires raging right now.
01:35 DaemonFC; Most of them related to various COVID things going on and underfunding.
01:36 DaemonFC; But another that they walked into on their own is ID.me
01:37 TR News; Joerg Jaspert: Funny CPU usage - rewrite it in #rustlang https://blog.ganneff.de/2022/02/funny-cpu-usage-rewrite-in-rust.html that leads to a whole bunch of new issues http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
01:37 TR Bot; Funny CPU usage - rewrite it in rust | Ganneffs Little Blog
01:37 TR Bot; The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
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01:38 TR News; #freebsd new committer: Alfonso S. Siciliano (src) https://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash/#2022-02-09:1 #bsd #unix
01:38 TR Bot; FreeBSD News Flash | The FreeBSD Project
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01:40 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-news-now/how-dependent-is-illinois-on-federal-money/
01:40 TR Bot; How dependent is Illinois on federal money? | WGN-TV
01:40 DaemonFC; Illinois still gets back less than we pay.
01:40 DaemonFC; But we've gone from paying a dollar and getting back 77 cents a few years ago to paying a dollar and getting back 94 cents.
01:41 DaemonFC; A lot of that has to do with that constitutional amendment I voted to pass that requires the state to spend transportation taxes on transportation projects, instead of raiding it to pay for welfare and crap.
01:41 TR News; Teardown: #Alcatel Telic 1 Minitel Terminal | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/16/teardown-alcatel-telic-1-minitel-terminal/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/17/#latest
01:41 TR Bot; Alcatel Telic 1 Minitel Terminal | Hackaday
01:41 TR Bot; Index of /2022/02/17/
01:41 DaemonFC; That triggers federal matching funds, and brings more jobs here.
01:42 TR News; #Slackware 15 is a throwback to old-school Linux with a modern kick Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161549 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
01:42 TR Bot; Slackware 15 is a throwback to old-school Linux with a modern kick | Tux Machines
01:42 TR News; Cardboard; an exciting scrollable tiling window manager Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161550 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
01:42 TR Bot; Cardboard; an exciting scrollable tiling window manager | Tux Machines
01:42 DaemonFC; When I votes for it, I broke down Chicago by precinct and I was one of the few that supported it because I lived in South Shore. Like 86% realized the state may have to cut welfare if it funded infrastructure.
01:42 DaemonFC; *voted
01:42 TR News; It cannot be "Privacy-first" if it targets #android https://medevel.com/fairemail/
01:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/fairemail/
01:42 TR Bot; FairEmail: a Privacy-first Email client for Android
01:43 DaemonFC; But it was massively supported on the north side of Chicago and everywhere else in the state.
01:43 DaemonFC; So the measure carried.
01:43 DaemonFC; If construction workers don't have jobs, they aren't paying taxes. If they aren't paying taxes, the state revenue goes down and they still have to cut welfare programs because nobody is paying in.
01:44 TR News; #Elasticsearch 8 and syslog-ng https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/elasticsearch-8-and-syslog-ng
01:44 TR Bot; 8 and syslog-ng - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community
01:45 DaemonFC; MinceR, The cat's acne is clearing up already.
01:45 DaemonFC; I had the vet give me some antibiotic gel for it.
01:46 TR News; #Firebird 3.0.9 sub-release is available https://mapopa.blogspot.com/2022/02/firebird-309-sub-release-is-available.html
01:46 TR Bot; Mariuz's Blog: Firebird 3.0.9 sub-release is available
01:46 DaemonFC; Mom was asking if I really wanted to go in there and have them do that dental cleaning she needs. I said, "What do you mean?".
01:46 DaemonFC; She goes, "Well, how old is the cat?".
01:46 DaemonFC; I said, "Probably about 8, why?".
01:46 DaemonFC; Her cat is 17 out of pure luck. They don't even take it to the vet.
01:47 DaemonFC; And they feed it junk.
01:47 DaemonFC; Thing would probably live to be my age if they took better care of it.
01:48 DaemonFC; The IRS website just plain sucks.
01:48 TR News; SIG Node CI Subproject Celebrates Two Years of Test Improvements https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/02/16/sig-node-ci-subproject-celebrates/
01:48 TR Bot; SIG Node CI Subproject Celebrates Two Years of Test Improvements | Kubernetes
01:48 DaemonFC; So many people are scrambling to file taxes that the site glitches and sends you to that "Just a moment...." page.
01:50 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 38.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 269.73
01:51 TR News; A Note on D-Bus API Versioning https://blogs.gnome.org/mwleeds/2022/02/16/a-note-on-d-bus-api-versioning/ #gnome
01:51 TR Bot; A Note on D-Bus API Versioning Phaedrus Leeds' GNOME Blog
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01:58 TR News; Cockpit Project: Cockpit 263 https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-263.html #ibm #redhat #fedora #gnu #linux
01:58 TR Bot; Cockpit 263 Cockpit Project
01:59 TR News; Put A Little Piece Of The James Webb On Your Wall | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/16/put-a-little-piece-of-the-james-webb-on-your-wall/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/17/#latest
01:59 TR Bot; A Little Piece Of The James Webb On Your Wall | Hackaday
01:59 TR Bot; Index of /2022/02/17/
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02:01 TR News; "If youve had any dealings with Cat 5 and Cat 6 cable, and lets be honest, who hasnt, youve probably wrestled with lengths anywhere from 1 meter to 25 meters if youre hooking up a long haul. Network admins will be familiar with the 0.1 m variety for neat hookups in server cabinets." https://hackaday.com/2022/02/16/tiny-ethernet-cable-arms-race-spawns-from-reddit-discussion/
02:01 TR Bot; Ethernet Cable Arms Race Spawns From Reddit Discussion | Hackaday
02:02 TR News; #Launchpad News: New domain names for PPAs https://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/new-domain-names-for-ppas
02:02 TR Bot; Launchpad Blog
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02:04 TR News; #manubot needs to #deletegithub https://medevel.com/manubot/ #microsoft #proprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github
02:04 TR Bot; Manubot: Automated Scholarly Workflow publishing system with Open-source flavor
02:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/manubot/
02:04 TR Bot; Delete Github - Techrights
02:06 TR News; "Batteries are amazing. Batteries are horrible. Batteries are a necessary evil in todays world of portable everything. If youre reading this sentence, even if its not on a mobile device, somewhere there is a battery involved." https://hackaday.com/2022/02/16/when-battery-rebuilds-go-wrong-understanding-bmss-spot-welders-and-safety/
02:06 TR Bot; Battery Rebuilds Go Wrong: Understanding BMSs, Spot Welders, And Safety | Hackaday
02:09 TR News; NEWS #WindowsCentral Linux beats Windows 11 when running on the best CPU from Intel https://www.windowscentral.com/linux-beats-windows-11-when-running-best-cpu-intel
02:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/linux-beats-windows-11-when-running-best-cpu-intel
02:09 TR Bot; Linux beats Windows 11 when running on the best CPU from Intel | Windows Central
02:10 TR News; NEWS #TechRepublic #Slackware Slackware 15 is a throwback to old-school Linux with a modern kick https://www.techrepublic.com/article/slackware-15-is-a-throwback-to-old-school-linux-with-a-modern-kick/
02:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/slackware-15-is-a-throwback-to-old-school-linux-with-a-modern-kick/
02:10 TR Bot; 15 is a throwback to old-school Linux with a modern kick | TechRepublic
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02:11 TR News; NEWS #Akamai Akamai To Acquire #Linode to Provide Businesses with a Developer-friendly and Massively-distributed Platform to Build, Run and Secure Applications https://www.akamai.com/newsroom/press-release/akamai-to-acquire-linode the company you probably did not want to own your machines....
02:11 TR News; NEWS #TheVerge Disney is developing planned communities for fans who never want to leave its clutches https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/16/22937210/disney-residential-communities-storyliving-cotino-planned-town
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02:13 TR News; NEWS #TechTarget #ProprietarySoftware Trickbot has infected 140,000-plus machines since late 2020 https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/news/252513466/Trickbot-has-infected-140000-plus-machines-since-late-2020
02:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techtarget.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/news/252513466/Trickbot-has-infected-140000-plus-machines-since-late-2020
02:13 TR News; NEWS #PCWorld #ProprietarySoftware #vista11 quietly adds subscription info to Settings https://www.pcworld.com/article/613963/windows-11-quietly-adds-subscription-info-to-settings.html http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
02:13 TR News; NEWS #PCWorld #ProprietarySoftware #vista11 s update schedule blurs as Microsoft vows continuous innovation https://www.pcworld.com/article/614907/windows-11s-update-schedule-blurs-as-microsoft-promises-continuous-innovation.html
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02:14 TR News; NEWS #Variety #Privacy #Surveillance #Spotify Buys Podcast Analytics Firms #Podsights and Chartable https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/spotify-acquires-podsights-chartable-1235184132/
02:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/spotify-acquires-podsights-chartable-1235184132/
02:18 TR News; NEWS #TheVerge #Energy Why you cant rebuild #Wikipedia with [cryptocurrency] https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/16/22936487/molly-white-web3-is-going-just-great
02:19 TR News; NEWS #FOSSForce Neil McGovern Stepping Down as Gnomes Executive Director https://fossforce.com/2022/02/neil-mcgovern-stepping-down-as-gnomes-executive-director/ good riddance http://techrights.org/2022/02/14/goodbye-mcgovern/
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02:38 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-160222.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-160222.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-160222.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-160222.txt
02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160222.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160222.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-160222.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-160222.txt
02:40 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-160222.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-160222.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-160222.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-160222.txt
02:40 TR News; Links 17/2/2022: #Firebird 3.x Sub-Release and Simula One in About a Year Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/16/simula-one/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/16/simula-one/
02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-160222.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-160222.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-160222.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-160222.txt
02:42 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-02-16.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-02-16.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:43 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161558 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
02:44 TR News; #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161551 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
02:45 TR News; #Programming leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161552 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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02:46 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
02:46 TR News; #Server: Firebird, Elasticsearch, Kubernetes, and Launchpad Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161553 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
02:46 TR Bot; Server: Firebird, Elasticsearch, Kubernetes, and Launchpad | Tux Machines
02:46 TR News; #FairEmail and #Privacy Posing by #Mozilla Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161554 #www #TuxMachines
02:46 TR Bot; FairEmail and Privacy Posing by Mozilla | Tux Machines
02:46 TR News; #GNOME: End for Neil McGovern, D-Bus API Versioning, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161555 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
02:46 TR Bot; GNOME: End for Neil McGovern, D-Bus API Versioning, and More | Tux Machines
02:47 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161556 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
02:47 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
02:47 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161557 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
02:47 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
02:49 TR News; Not solving issues http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160222.html#tFeb%2016%2020:15:45
02:49 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, February 16, 2022
02:49 TR News; NEWS #NBC #Politics Tech exec used access to #WhiteHouse computers to look for dirt on Trump, says special counsel https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/tech-exec-used-access-white-house-computers-look-dirt-trump-says-speci-rcna16123
02:49 TR Bot; Tech exec used access to White House computers to look for dirt on Trump, says special counsel
02:50 TR News; NEWS #IndiaTimes #Politics Govt's efforts to make big tech Cos accountable shouldn't be spun as 'anti-free speech': MoS IT https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/govts-efforts-to-make-big-tech-cos-accountable-shouldnt-be-spun-as-anti-free-speech-mos-it/89619976 do not say "big tech" http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
02:50 TR Bot; free speech: Govt's efforts to make big tech Cos accountable shouldn't be spun as 'anti-free speech': MoS IT, CIO News, ET CIO
02:51 TR Bot; Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
02:51 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 269.76
02:54 TR News; NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #RedCross Crack Linked to Iranian Influence Operation? https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/02/red-cross-hack-linked-to-iranian-influence-operation/ likely linked to #microsoft crap http://techrights.org/2021/10/29/microsoft-national-security-threat/
02:54 TR Bot; Red Cross Hack Linked to Iranian Influence Operation? Krebs on Security
02:54 TR Bot; Microsoft: Still a National Security Threat | Techrights
02:58 TR News; NEWS #NBC #PressFreedom Jury rules against Sarah #Palin in her New York Times #defamation case https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jury-rules-sarah-palin-defamation-case-new-york-rcna16275
02:58 TR Bot; Jury rules against Sarah Palin in her New York Times defamation case
02:58 TR News; NEWS #VOANews #PressFreedom Russia-imposed Court in #Crimea Sentences RFE/RL Journalist to Six Years in Prison https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-imposed-court-in-crimea-sentences-rfe-rl-journalist-yesypenko-to-six-years-in-prison/6444162.html
02:58 TR Bot; Russia-imposed Court in Crimea Sentences RFE/RL Journalist to Six Years in Prison
02:58 TR News; NEWS #ABC #PressFreedom #Pakistan #police arrest media owner after scuffle in capital https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pakistani-police-arrest-journalist-unspecified-charges-82921453
02:58 TR Bot; Pakistani police arrest media owner after scuffle in capital - ABC News
02:58 TR News; NEWS #ABC #Internet Prisons, #Water Infrastructure And Broadband: Where States Are Spending Their Pandemic Relief Funding https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/prisons-water-infrastructure-and-broadband-where-states-are-spending-their-pandemic-relief-funding/
02:58 TR Bot; Water Infrastructure And Broadband: Where States Are Spending Their Pandemic Relief Funding | FiveThirtyEight
03:02 TR News; NEWS #Techdirt #Censorship Content Moderation Case Study: #gulagtube Doubles Down On Questionable 'graphic Content' Enforcement Before Reversing Course (2020) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220216/15250848490/content-moderation-case-study-youtube-doubles-down-questionable-graphic-content-enforcement-before-reversing-course-2020.shtml
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03:02 TR Bot; Moderation Case Study: YouTube Doubles Down On Questionable 'graphic Content' Enforcement Before Reversing Course (2020) | Techdirt
03:02 TR News; NEWS #AralBalkan #Decentralisation begins at decentring yourself https://ar.al/2022/02/16/decentralisation-begins-at-decentring-yourself/
03:02 TR Bot; Decentralisation begins at decentring yourself Aral Balkan
03:03 TR News; NEWS #Techdirt #NASA Says 2nd Gen #Starlink Satellites Will Cause Headaches For NASA, Hubble https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220214/06250748470/nasa-says-2nd-gen-starlink-satellites-will-cause-headaches-nasa-hubble.shtml
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03:03 TR Bot; Says 2nd Gen Starlink Satellites Will Cause Headaches For NASA, Hubble | Techdirt
03:05 TR News; 11,305 #covid19 -linked death yesterday (USA 2,802), so anyone who says this thing is nearly over needs reality check. The businesses see people don't have much money to spend, so they don't mind killing several millions more for profit...
03:06 TR News; NEWS #Techdirt #Palin Judge And Jury Say Sarah Palin Failed To Prove 'Actual Malice' In #Defamation Case Against The NY Times https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220215/16492748482/judge-jury-say-sarah-palin-failed-to-prove-actual-malice-defamation-case-against-ny-times.shtml
03:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220215/16492748482/judge-jury-say-sarah-palin-failed-to-prove-actual-malice-defamation-case-against-ny-times.shtml
03:06 TR Bot; And Jury Say Sarah Palin Failed To Prove 'Actual Malice' In Defamation Case Against The NY Times | Techdirt
03:11 TR News; #gulagtube became awful https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/as-i-mourn-what-used-to-be-youtube-4175708107/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/15/youtube-spam-rewarding-junk/
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03:11 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/as-i-mourn-what-used-to-be-youtube-4175708107/ )
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03:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxquestions.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/as-i-mourn-what-used-to-be-youtube-4175708107/
03:11 TR Bot; YouTube is Becoming Mostly SPAM | Techrights
03:12 TR News; "Youtube's gone the way of television. Back when I was a young 'un, an hour-long TV show was 55 minutes show, 5 minutes commercials. Not it's 44 minutes show, 16 minutes commercials." https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/as-i-mourn-what-used-to-be-youtube-4175708107/
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03:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxquestions.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/as-i-mourn-what-used-to-be-youtube-4175708107/
03:12 *x_ is now known as kingoffrance
03:21 TR News; #billgates -bribed #propaganda apparatus #TheGuardian Explaining vaccine hesitancy by amplifying antivax #disinformation https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/02/16/guardian-explaining-vaccine-hesitancy-by-parroting-antivax-disinformation/
03:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: respectfulinsolence.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/02/16/guardian-explaining-vaccine-hesitancy-by-parroting-antivax-disinformation/
03:21 TR Bot; The Guardian: "Explaining" vaccine hesitancy by amplifying antivax disinformation - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
03:21 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 236536 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39334 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 weeks 2 days ago
03:21 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 43 GB TotalOut: 40 GB
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03:25 TR News; NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Disaster as "[SCAM] Music Stream" Enrages Artists By Pulling Music From #Gulagtube https://torrentfreak.com/disaster-as-nft-music-stream-enrages-artists-by-pulling-music-from-youtube-220216/
03:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/disaster-as-nft-music-stream-enrages-artists-by-pulling-music-from-youtube-220216/
03:25 TR Bot; as "NFT Music Stream" Enrages Artists By Pulling Music From YouTube * TorrentFreak
03:25 TR News; NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #UploadFilter U.S. #CopyrightOffice Consultation Triggers Massive "Upload Filter" Opposition https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-office-consultation-triggers-massive-upload-filter-opposition-220216/
03:25 TR Bot; Copyright Office Consultation Triggers Massive "Upload Filter" Opposition * TorrentFreak
03:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-office-consultation-triggers-massive-upload-filter-opposition-220216/
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03:29 TR News; 1,720 working gemini sapsules means still about 5 per day in net gain gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
03:29 TR News; NEWS #TruthOut #Biden Is Reportedly Requesting Over $770 Billion for Defense for 2023 https://truthout.org/articles/biden-is-reportedly-requesting-over-770-billion-for-defense-for-2023/ graft for #microsoft et al http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
03:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/biden-is-reportedly-requesting-over-770-billion-for-defense-for-2023/
03:29 TR Bot; Biden Is Reportedly Requesting Over $770 Billion for Defense for 2023
03:29 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
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03:31 TR News; NEWS #EFF Not Just San Francisco: #Police Across the Country are Retaining and Searching #DNA of Victims and Innocent People https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/not-just-san-francisco-police-across-country-are-retaining-and-searching-dna
03:31 TR Bot; Not Just San Francisco: Police Across the Country are Retaining and Searching DNA of Victims and Innocent People | Electronic Frontier Foundation
03:31 IPFS; QmZHDDpdkiKdpvVjLb94b8X2LhPVMcNQweiDqukj1DyKVT
03:32 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
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03:48 TR News; USA has just passed 950k #covid19 -linked deaths. US #corporateMedia does not want people to point out more people die with it in February 2022 than in February 2021, based on official data. Because "open the economy"....
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04:02 AdmFubar; https://www.darkreading.com/dr-tech/where-ai-falls-down-in-cybersecurity
04:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/dr-tech/where-ai-falls-down-in-cybersecurity
04:02 TR Bot; Where AI Falls Down in Cybersecurity
04:03 TR News; NEWS #Hungary Entire editorial staff of Hungarian news outlet in #Transylvania quits due to political pressure here comes Telex's new project: Transtelex https://telex.hu/english/2022/02/16/telexs-new-project-transtelex
04:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/english/2022/02/16/telexs-new-project-transtelex
04:03 TR Bot; Telex: Entire editorial staff of Hungarian news outlet in Transylvania quits due to political pressure here comes Telex's new project: Transtelex
04:03 schestowitz-TR; MinceR:^^
04:03 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: HEY HI
04:03 schestowitz-TR; we no longer use algorithms for security
04:03 schestowitz-TR; even spamassassin now uses "HEY HI"
04:05 TR News; NEWS #EFF #FacialRecognition Privacy Experts to Federal and State Agencies: End Use of Facial Verification Services https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/privacy-experts-federal-and-state-agencies-end-use-facial-verification-services US was always ahead of the curve when it comes to abusing #Privacy
04:05 TR Bot; Privacy Experts to Federal and State Agencies: End Use of Facial Verification Services | Electronic Frontier Foundation
04:06 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: i've read about it but they were stingy with details
04:06 MinceR; like who owned transindex and what they did
04:06 MinceR; (i'm guessing they were owned by the same entity as index.hu, but i haven't seen any confirmation of this)
04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, February 16, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:06 MinceR; (but if so, what were they waiting for?)
04:06 schestowitz-TR; is that the hijacked site?
04:07 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:07 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:07 MinceR; index.hu was taken over by the communists, yes
04:07 schestowitz-TR; communists as in fideath loyalists?
04:07 MinceR; 444.hu and telex.hu were both borne off index.hu staffers leaving
04:07 schestowitz-TR; why 444?
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04:08 MinceR; 444.hu was founded by Peter Uj, who used to be one of the editors-in-chief of index.hu
04:08 MinceR; because there were early signs of fideath taking over
04:08 MinceR; maybe when index.hu came to be owned by simicska, or simicska got an option for buying it
04:09 TR News; NEWS #Techdirt Nonprofit Forced To Delete Thousands Of Court Documents Obtained With A Fee Waiver Because PACER Is Greedy And Stupid https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220212/22004048459/nonprofit-forced-to-delete-thousands-court-documents-obtained-with-fee-waiver-because-pacer-is-greedy-stupid.shtml
04:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220212/22004048459/nonprofit-forced-to-delete-thousands-court-documents-obtained-with-fee-waiver-because-pacer-is-greedy-stupid.shtml
04:09 TR Bot; Forced To Delete Thousands Of Court Documents Obtained With A Fee Waiver Because PACER Is Greedy And Stupid | Techdirt
04:09 TR News; NEWS #Hungary The Hungarian Academy of Sciences says it is inadmissible for the national drug authority to substitute criminal charges for scientific arguments https://telex.hu/english/2022/02/16/the-hungarian-academy-of-sciences-says-it-is-inadmissible-for-the-national-drug-authority-to-substitute-criminal-charges-for-scientific-arguments
04:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/english/2022/02/16/the-hungarian-academy-of-sciences-says-it-is-inadmissible-for-the-national-drug-authority-to-substitute-criminal-charges-for-scientific-arguments
04:09 TR Bot; Telex: The Hungarian Academy of Sciences says it is inadmissible for the national drug authority to substitute criminal charges for scientific arguments
04:09 MinceR; later simicska had a falling out with orban (G-Day), but index still ended up in fidSS hands
04:10 schestowitz-TR; like linux.com with Microsofters
04:15 TR News; US regime: we cannot supply masks to 330,000,000 citizens, but we can give 22,000,000,000 dollars in a phony #pentagon 'contract' (bailout) to #microsoft http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
04:16 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
04:21 schestowitz; Microsoft GitHub <LF shilliing
04:21 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenBMC-2.11-Released
04:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenBMC-2.11-Released
04:21 TR Bot; 2.11 Released As The Leading Open-Source Linux Distro For BMCs - Phoronix
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05:33 AdmFubar; https://xkcd.com/2582/
05:33 TR Bot; Data Trap
05:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2582/
05:36 AdmFubar; https://torrentfreak.com/disaster-as-nft-music-stream-enrages-artists-by-pulling-music-from-youtube-220216/
05:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/disaster-as-nft-music-stream-enrages-artists-by-pulling-music-from-youtube-220216/
05:36 TR Bot; as "NFT Music Stream" Enrages Artists By Pulling Music From YouTube * TorrentFreak
05:38 DaemonFC; https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/chrome-enterprise/chrome-os-flex
05:38 AdmFubar; https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-office-consultation-triggers-massive-upload-filter-opposition-220216/
05:38 TR Bot; Early access to Chrome OS Flex: The upgrade PCs and Macs have been waiting for | Google Cloud Blog
05:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-office-consultation-triggers-massive-upload-filter-opposition-220216/
05:38 TR Bot; Copyright Office Consultation Triggers Massive "Upload Filter" Opposition * TorrentFreak
05:38 DaemonFC; schestowitz, ClownReady becomes Chrome OS Flex.
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08:52 darwin; sometimes I selected a Tech Rights page in RSS, thinking it was an article, but it turned out to be a links page, then I scrolled down several/many pages without even seeing what was mentioned, then gave up
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09:12 schestowitz-TR; hi
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09:12 schestowitz-TR; darwin: takes effort to find the news of significance for the day
09:13 schestowitz-TR; and not possible to name everything in the title
09:15 schestowitz; AMD again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-ROCm-5.0.1
09:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-ROCm-5.0.1
09:15 TR Bot; ROCm 5.0.1 Released - Begins Moving HIPCC/HIPCONFIG From Perl Scripts To Binaries - Phoronix
09:16 TR News; Way for #gnu #linux to become more widely used, not sold https://9to5google.com/2022/02/15/chrome-os-flex-cloudready/
09:16 TR Bot; OS Flex is Google's free Chromebook converter - 9to5Google
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09:17 TR News; "As a kernel quality engineer at Red Hat, I'm often asked what I do. How does one test a kernel for quality? Testing and debugging the Linux kernel can be challenging because you can't simply attach a debugger like GDB (the GNU Project debugger) if the kernel is crashing" https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/02/17/quality-testing-linux-kernel
09:17 TR Bot; Quality testing the Linux kernel | Red Hat Developer
09:18 TR News; "Ojong is working with the #Fedora websites and apps team as an #Outreachy Intern. This blog post is her experience and project update so far." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-project-revamp-the-community-websites-and-applications-progress-update/
09:18 TR Bot; Outreachy Project "Revamp the Community Websites and Applications" progress update Fedora Community Blog
09:19 TR News; "Well! The biggest update is the day and night versions have been finalized for the beta release of #Fedora 36. Obviously we chose Deepika Kurup to inspire the wallpaper and had a mind map session as well as some thumbnails that steered us in the right direction." https://www.madelinepeck.com/blog/2022/2/16/mid-february-update
09:19 TR Bot; Mid February Update Madeline Peck
09:20 TR News; #ibm #redhad : swallow the latest buzzwords, hype, and cargo cult or stay a "dinobaby" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/2/9-emerging-tech-trends-it-leaders-watch
09:20 TR Bot; 9 emerging tech trends IT leaders need to watch | The Enterprisers Project
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09:21 TR News; Sysadmins spun as "SREs" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/2/8-reasons-site-reliability-engineer-one-most-demand-jobs-2022
09:21 TR Bot; 8 reasons site reliability engineer is one of the most in-demand jobs in 2022 | The Enterprisers Project
09:25 TR News; #BSDNow "The Birth of Unix, Help request for three big Lumina items, #FreeBSD 13 on Thinkpad T460s, #HardenedBSD January 2022 Status Report, #OPNsense 22.1 "Observant Owl" released, and more." https://www.bsdnow.tv/442
09:25 TR Bot; BSD Now 442: Birthing Unix
09:26 darwin; i have FreeBSD on T500
09:26 darwin; and FreeSlack/Freenix
09:26 TR News; xkcd: Data Trap https://xkcd.com/2582/ #xkcd
09:26 TR Bot; Data Trap
09:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2582/
09:26 schestowitz-TR; darwin: main machine?
09:27 darwin; no, my main machine is desktop
09:27 TR News; An overview of #OpenStack storage | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/openstack-storage #ubuntu #gnu #linux
09:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/openstack-storage
09:27 TR Bot; overview of OpenStack storage | Ubuntu
09:28 TR News; Dave Airlie: optimizing llvmpipe vertex/fragment processing. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161559 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
09:28 TR Bot; Dave Airlie: optimizing llvmpipe vertex/fragment processing. | Tux Machines
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09:33 darwin; Thunderbird Mail is no longer useful for serious system administrators nor programmers/scientists/engineers who want to get system mail--Thunderbird removed Unix MoveMail last year. I was thinking of switching to GNOME Evolution. Thunderbird said they did it to 'simplify' the GUI when that part was working fine and the GUI already is simple
09:33 schestowitz-TR; yes, many extensions were killed
09:33 schestowitz-TR; but that goes back years
09:35 darwin; it wasn't an extension; it's just part of how mail worked
09:36 darwin; and it's not so much extensions were killed but Thunderbird changed how it worked, and extension programmers had to change, or quit, or many quit because younger people were switching to webmail and email 'apps' (pad/tablet/phone)
09:36 TR News; At CNX Software, IAN W MORRISON (LINUXIUM) once again shilling, in exchange for a gift (an #amd box), a product which strictly comes with #microsoft #windows ... CNX Software becoming a sellout like Phoronix? http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
09:36 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
09:36 schestowitz-TR; darwin: I used to use thunderbird a lot
09:37 schestowitz-TR; but not anymore
09:37 darwin; did you find anything better?
09:37 schestowitz-TR; no
09:37 schestowitz-TR; just more recent gecko
09:37 schestowitz-TR; which does not matter to me
09:37 schestowitz-TR; as I stopped using it as an rss reader
09:38 schestowitz-TR; so software I used literally 10 years ago for email was better than today
09:38 schestowitz-TR; they call that "progress"
09:38 darwin; yes. I still use Pale Moon as an RSS reader (after Firefox removed that)... I know not everyone who likes FSF/GNU more likes Pale Moon programmers as much, but it works well for me
09:38 darwin; Firefox was also better up to version 4. Everything after was downhill
09:40 TR News; Analysis: Will the PNR Directive entrench automated suspicion? - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/pnr-directive-eu-security-privacy-risks/ #accessnow | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/17/#latest
09:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/pnr-directive-eu-security-privacy-risks/
09:40 TR Bot; Analysis: Will the PNR Directive entrench automated suspicion? - Access Now
09:40 TR Bot; Social Control Media Posts
09:41 darwin; on my family PC, Firefox was even crashing on KDE Neon (based on Ubuntu 20.04) for two or three or four months, only starting in safe mode or asking to delete all addons (not their fault.) Ubuntu finally updated to a fixed version maybe one or two days ago
09:41 darwin; never had I see Firefox have a problem for so long
09:42 darwin; but that's what happens when you fire a ton of programmers/developers/engineers then raise administration's wages
09:42 schestowitz-TR; if that ubuntu is based on debian 10
09:42 schestowitz-TR; than firefox 91 came only recently
09:42 schestowitz-TR; it was 78 before that
09:42 darwin; i don't know, but I think it's on 97 now
09:43 schestowitz-TR; those big esr leaps are partly the fauly of mozilla
09:43 schestowitz-TR; leaping too fast
09:43 darwin; i guess Ubuntu got it from Debian
09:43 schestowitz-TR; with no regard for stable distros
09:43 schestowitz-TR; *then
09:43 schestowitz-TR; ubuntu offers no added value anymore
09:44 schestowitz-TR; not even an installer
09:44 darwin; i hate the installer, it doesn't even ask if you want to overwrite boot-loader, and advertises that you should use GPT
09:44 darwin; or maybe KDE Neon altered that
09:46 darwin; KDE is fine on family Neon PC but on Slackware since KDE4 regularly stopped responding for half an hour or an hour. I switched to XFCE but am investigating Enlightenment, CDE, NsCDE, LXDE, LXQT, and so on...
09:47 darwin; oh yeah, also Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE fork of KDE3.5) but I heard they went back to over 1000 bugs from earlier KDE3.5
09:48 psydroid2; what is Unix Movemail?
09:48 darwin; i was glad to hear the news of the GNOME bullies quitting but I think there's some value in some GNOME software so am worried what might happen to GNOME Foundation (maybe they will improve though)
09:48 darwin; /var/mail or /var/spool/mail
09:48 psydroid2; does that mean the mbox archives I have in Thunderbird won't be accessible again or deleted?
09:48 darwin; where user mailboxes are kept in mbox format
09:49 darwin; they may not be accessible
09:49 psydroid2; this is entirely the reason for using Thunderbird
09:49 TR News; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161560 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
09:49 TR Bot; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:49 psydroid2; I don't understand what they are thinking
09:50 darwin; Mozilla probably did start out continuing Netscape mostly for Windows. Even though Thunderbird was removed from Mozilla they don't care about Unix[-like] systems apparently
09:51 psydroid2; I hope there is some way to migrate/export those e-mails to a Unix mail server so I can use any client with that server before it's too late
09:51 TR News; #ibm shilling #Flathub as if that's the only way to get "apps" in #gnu #linux https://opensource.com/article/22/2/installing-applications-desktop-linux"
09:51 TR Bot; guide to installing applications on Linux | Opensource.com
09:52 darwin; is that the user-oriented flatpak stuff?
09:52 psydroid2; it looks like it
09:52 darwin; i removed that from Neon
09:53 darwin; but snapd was worse. I don't want 500 filesystems (fs) appearing from mount command on family PC just because I installed 500 programs they and I might use
09:53 darwin; flatpak might actually be useful for average users just as long as it doesn't encourage not releasing source code. I don't know about flathub...
09:54 darwin; appimage is a little easier, but honestly, I hate all three. I just see two would be useful for users (or three if they never use mount command)
09:55 schestowitz; https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/02/17/beelink-gtr5-review-amd-ryzen-9-mini-pc-windows-11-ubuntu-20-04/
09:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/02/17/beelink-gtr5-review-amd-ryzen-9-mini-pc-windows-11-ubuntu-20-04/
09:55 TR Bot; Beelink GTR5 Review - An AMD Ryzen 9 mini PC tested with Windows 11, Ubuntu 20.04 - CNX Software
09:55 schestowitz; " With its included Windows 11 Pro license"
09:56 darwin; well, not entirely true. Any desktop user would have /home/user/snapd always appearing, which is pretty annoying
09:56 schestowitz; "Id like to thank Beelink for providing the GTR5 for review. It is available from Beelink and other retailers starting at $799 and up"
09:56 schestowitz; a thousand bucks to review a WINDOWS box in a "linux" site
09:57 TR News; "Longtime hacker [Peter Jansen] was so impressed with a piece in The Onion from last year that he decided to build this coin-operated Texas Instruments graphing calculator console on a whim (video below the break warning vertical orientation)." https://hackaday.com/2022/02/16/coin-operated-graphing-calculator-console/
09:57 TR Bot; Graphing Calculator Console | Hackaday
09:58 darwin; i don't understand why Linus Torvalds doesn't take more control of the Linux Foundation and its sites like Linux.com, and fix all that. I guess he has enough money anyway and it could be a hassle, but I suspect possibly (as you've implied) they're manipulating/forcing him
09:58 TR News; "Its been 13 years since The 7th Guest was added to ScummVM with the Groovie 1 engine, and now weve finally added support for the Groovie 2 engine with all 4 games supported: The 11th Hour, Clandestiny, Tender Loving Care (CD-ROM edition), and Uncle Henry's Playhouse." https://www.scummvm.org/news/20220216/
09:58 TR Bot; ScummVM :: Home
09:59 TR News; A PNG Based Circuit Simulator | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/16/a-png-based-circuit-simulator/ #hackaday #python
09:59 TR Bot; PNG Based Circuit Simulator | Hackaday
10:00 schestowitz-TR; darwin: " they're manipulating/forcing him"
10:00 schestowitz-TR; yes, we wrote about this many times
10:00 schestowitz-TR; many aspects to i
10:01 schestowitz-TR; the trademark
10:01 schestowitz-TR; the gsslighting
10:01 schestowitz-TR; maybe some blackmail
10:01 schestowitz-TR; but he got himself into this mess
10:01 schestowitz-TR; as did many others who took cash to "grow"
10:01 schestowitz-TR; at what expense?
10:01 schestowitz-TR; usually giving control to those who gave the cash
10:01 schestowitz-TR; even the fsf has had such issues
10:01 schestowitz-TR; "even"
10:02 darwin; that calculator console is pretty neat, I wonder if it uses TiEmu/TilEm(2)
10:02 schestowitz-TR; better to stay small, focused, and principled
10:02 schestowitz-TR; OSDL was bad
10:02 darwin; yes
10:02 schestowitz-TR; so Torvalds and all the rest quit OSDL
10:02 schestowitz-TR; but the LF turned out to be no better
10:02 schestowitz-TR; same trajectory
10:02 schestowitz-TR; Stuart Cohen was visiting Microsoft
10:03 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161561 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
10:03 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
10:03 schestowitz-TR; Dirk Hondahlm ended up hopping between companies that hater Linux and doing PR for them
10:04 schestowitz-TR; when he left vmware weeks ago they were likely already preparing their massive smear campaigh
10:04 schestowitz-TR; *campaign
10:04 darwin; do they make VirtualBox or is that different?
10:04 schestowitz-TR; a lot of the rest of the rogiianl developers (Morton, Tso) etc. ended up working for Gulag and IBM
10:05 schestowitz-TR; and now that they are "dinobabies" they cannot open their mouths much, seeing what happened to Torvalds
10:05 schestowitz-TR; Tso did put up resistance to Microsoft
10:05 schestowitz-TR; and was singled out for attacks
10:05 schestowitz-TR; VirtualBox is oracle
10:05 darwin; what do you mean by 'Gulag?"
10:05 schestowitz-TR; wim works there
10:06 schestowitz-TR; but he tempoprarily worked for Microsoft
10:06 darwin; Google?
10:06 schestowitz-TR; he's not the #1 or #2 person in LF's board
10:06 schestowitz-TR; yes, we call them gulag this year
10:06 schestowitz-TR; because of how they treat humans
10:07 schestowitz-TR; at the moment it seems like their goal is to kill off the communities
10:07 schestowitz-TR; this is the extension of the agenda to decapitate fsf
10:07 schestowitz-TR; and take from it the gnu copyrights
10:07 schestowitz-TR; if they cannot weed out copyleft-style licensing
10:08 schestowitz-TR; gulag evenn helps microsoft with github
10:08 schestowitz-TR; so does ibm
10:08 schestowitz-TR; LF has not made anything GPL since xen
10:08 schestowitz-TR; and that was like a decade ago
10:08 schestowitz-TR; LF outsources almost everything to microsoft (github)
10:09 schestowitz-TR; what all those entities have in common is strong financial relations with the US government, sometimes DaD
10:09 schestowitz-TR; and some have big contracts with them
10:09 schestowitz-TR; so just like they squashed the antiwar movement
10:09 schestowitz-TR; not they attempt to weed out this whole "software as communities" thing
10:10 darwin; BBIAM
10:10 *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving)
10:10 schestowitz-TR; because communities can make encrtion and stuff work
10:10 schestowitz-TR; *encryption
10:10 schestowitz-TR; harder to mandate back doors
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10:10 schestowitz-TR; [10:10] <schestowitz-TR> because communities can make encrtion and stuff work
10:10 schestowitz-TR; [10:10] <schestowitz-TR> *encryption
10:10 schestowitz-TR; [10:10] <schestowitz-TR> harder to mandate back doors
10:10 schestowitz-TR; thought is not only about encryption
10:11 schestowitz-TR; it is, in genral, about control over people
10:11 schestowitz-TR; and the hacker culture is moving in the opposite direction
10:11 schestowitz-TR; emancipating and decentralising
10:12 schestowitz-TR; Intel has planted a flag in risc-v
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10:12 schestowitz-TR; skype came from estonia/sweden
10:12 schestowitz-TR; of course nsa had to have that
10:12 schestowitz-TR; added to prism as soon as microsoft 'bought' it
10:12 schestowitz-TR; took control of the infra
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10:12 schestowitz-TR; eliminated p2p
10:12 schestowitz-TR; so they can spy on most voip calls worldwide
10:13 darwin; what did they plant in risc-v?
10:13 TR News; Weird #Phosphor Conversion LEDs Found In Cheap LED String | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/16/weird-phosphor-conversion-leds-found-in-cheap-led-string/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/17/#latest
10:13 TR Bot; Phosphor Conversion LEDs Found In Cheap LED String | Hackaday
10:13 TR Bot; Social Control Media Posts
10:14 schestowitz; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161206#comment-32807
10:14 TR Bot; Open Hardware: PySpectrometer on Raspberry Pi and Intel Trying to Tame RISC-V | Tux Machines
10:14 schestowitz; as for mozilla (sf area hipsters), they're in bed with gafam
10:14 schestowitz; gulag, microsoft, "meta"
10:14 schestowitz; they are just pretending there is an "alternative"
10:14 schestowitz; they've even managed to break encryption for email in some cases
10:14 schestowitz; edge cases
10:15 TR News; #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/irc-log-160222/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/irc-log-160222/
10:15 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 | Techrights
10:16 schestowitz-TR; [19:35] <techrights-news> CISA: the US gov. gives us MILLIONS, and the sole page cited (link) in our not-so-frequent postings is a 404, page not found https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/02/16/mozilla-releases-security-update-thunderbird
10:16 TR Bot; Mozilla Releases Security Updatefor Thunderbird | CISA
10:16 schestowitz-TR; [19:34] <techrights-news> "Mozilla has released a security update to address a vulnerability in Thunderbird. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability to take control of an affected system." Didn't look into it, probably some phony "web page" as an 'email' flaw https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/02/16/mozilla-releases-security-update-thunderbird
10:16 schestowitz-TR; (last night)
10:16 schestowitz-TR; eff actively attacked email encryptuon also
10:16 schestowitz-TR; also sf-based junk
10:16 schestowitz-TR; their founder died, another kicked out
10:17 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/11/05/not-the-frontier-anymore/
10:17 TR Bot; EFF Has Been Hijacked, and Just Like Mozilla and the Linux Foundation It Doesnt Fight for What It Was Originally Made to Achieve | Techrights
10:17 schestowitz; they are herding people into so-called 'pentagon' so-called 'tech'
10:17 schestowitz-TR; phone "apps"
10:17 darwin; the attack on encryption has been going on for decades. Recently I even read the biography of Douglas McIlroy, who oversaw/managed the creation of Unix, after discovering/talking about some new eyncryption or decryption in mid-to-late 1900s was visited by 'spooks.' He's still posting on the Gmane Unix heritage newsgroup
10:18 schestowitz-TR; they still do this
10:18 schestowitz-TR; to people who develop ciphers
10:18 schestowitz-TR; trying to buy them off or worser
10:18 schestowitz-TR; *worse
10:19 schestowitz-TR; gulag put fake encryption inside Linux
10:19 schestowitz-TR; until the backlash had that removed months later
10:20 schestowitz-TR; they say encryption harms kids
10:20 schestowitz-TR; but those who say this are themselves harming kids
10:22 darwin; lately Dr McIlroy and others were talking on that newsgroup that another major writer of programs on Unix, actually a woman programmer/scientist, died recently, who wrote a couple command-line calculators, some natural language processing software, and was overseeing some Unix code at some time (even in assembler, assembly, asm)
10:23 schestowitz-TR; yes, we mentioned it yesterday
10:23 schestowitz-TR; [19:20] <techrights-news> "Longtime #Unix developer Lorinda Cherry passed away recently; among other things, she was the creator of the dc and bc utilities still in use today. See this posting from Doublas McIlroy for many more details on her life." https://lwn.net/Articles/885010/
10:23 TR Bot; Cherry RIP [LWN.net]
10:23 schestowitz-TR; [18:14] <techrights-news> #[TUHS] LorindaCherry Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161535 #UNIX #TuxMachines
10:23 TR Bot; [TUHS] Lorinda Cherry | Tux Machines
10:30 TR News; Larry Makes 40% More https://assets.amuniversal.com/d2ccdb506a71013a9689005056a9545d #dilbert
10:32 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161562 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
10:32 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
10:33 TR News; Links 17/2/2022: #CloudReady is Ready (Rebranded), Quality Testing of the Linux Kernel Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/quality-testing-the-linux-kernel/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/quality-testing-the-linux-kernel/
10:33 TR Bot; Links 17/2/2022: CloudReady is Ready (Rebranded), Quality Testing of the Linux Kernel | Techrights
10:35 TR News; Cryptography or #security projects that are on #microsoft #github = code that the #nsa controls. There are many different ways GitHub can (and does/will/has managed to) insert back doors, either tailored to a person or to everyone. #deletegithub
10:35 TR News; #microsoft #github = #1 enemy of #FreeSW at the moment; controlled by a company subsidised/bailouts out by US Army.
10:36 TR News; #microsoft #github = #1 enemy of #FreeSW at the moment; controlled by a company subsidised/bailed out by US Army. http://techrights.org/2021/09/05/free-software-number-1-enemy/
10:36 TR Bot; The State of Free Software | Techrights
10:37 darwin; did you ever find a GNU/Linux or Unix/BSD/IllumOS distribution you felt okay switching to or did they all depend on GitHub/etc. somehow?
10:37 schestowitz-TR; no
10:37 schestowitz-TR; not much
10:37 schestowitz-TR; but
10:37 schestowitz-TR; figosdev studied a lot
10:37 darwin; the only one on FSF's approved list I ever considered was Dragora
10:37 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wiki/Github_Projects_on_Tiny_Core
10:37 TR Bot; Github Projects on Tiny Core - Techrights
10:38 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wiki/OctoGNU_timeline
10:38 TR Bot; OctoGNU timeline - Techrights
10:38 TR News; RMS, 2015: "GitHub does things that are quite bad for free software and is not interested in changing them. If you want to move off Savannah, please pick some other place." http://techrights.org/wiki/OctoGNU_timeline#2015
10:38 TR Bot; OctoGNU timeline - Techrights
10:40 TR News; #microsoft shakes the hand of Donald #trump and any other dictator and gets bailed out http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
10:40 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
10:41 TR News; #microsoft = crime http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ digital imperialism.
10:41 TR Bot; EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights
10:42 TR News; Jan 2022: #Microsoft Staff Trying to Subvert the Freedom of Gemini (Without Disclosure of the Paymaster) Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/01/28/microsoft-and-gemini/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/01/28/microsoft-and-gemini/
10:42 TR Bot; Microsoft Staff Trying to Subvert the Freedom of Gemini (Without Disclosure of the Paymaster) | Techrights
10:44 TR News; #ibm as alternative to #microsoft -- just like Microsoft as alternative to IBM in the 1980s -- does not liberate us. Swapping masters is a fool's errand.
10:44 darwin; i took a look at gemini, and it's interesting like gopher was (I'd still consider running either or both if I wanted to host something text-only) but as a graphics/artist person, I prefer WWW, of course, without javascript & etc. (unless absolutely necessary for something else I sometimes use, but don't code myself, like GNU Social or Diaspora)
10:50 schestowitz-TR; gemini does graphics too
10:50 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/01/29/photography-gemini-and-geminispace/
10:50 TR Bot; Photography Hosting in Geminispace With Open/Accessible Internet and Software Freedom | Techrights
10:50 schestowitz; gemini://botond.online/en/generative/particle-systems.gmi
10:51 schestowitz; gemini://botond.online/en/generative/l-systems.gmi
10:51 schestowitz; you just
10:51 schestowitz; => myphoto.png
10:51 schestowitz; and can add captions to them
10:54 darwin; well, that's good, but now I have so much that I always use gallery software now. I used to use zenPHOTO, but it became too complicated/buggy, so I switched to novaGallery
11:00 darwin; years/decades ago SourceForge was more popular than GitHub, but then SourceForge put some kind of advertising/malware in everyone's archive files, so people migrated to GitHub, which now that owned by Microsoft, I suppose will end up even worse
11:05 schestowitz-TR; that's not how it happened
11:05 schestowitz-TR; I mean, that one sourceforge debacle isn't why github grew
11:05 schestowitz-TR; it did not help
11:05 schestowitz-TR; anyway, %-wise github is losing
11:05 schestowitz-TR; afaik
11:05 schestowitz-TR; people look at alternatives
11:06 darwin; good; which ones are growing then?
11:06 schestowitz-TR; gitlab to some extent
11:06 schestowitz-TR; the company went public
11:06 schestowitz-TR; but you don' want gitlab
11:06 darwin; i don't know if it's much better or might get bought by something
11:06 schestowitz-TR; I looked into it
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11:06 schestowitz-TR; we use gemini
11:06 schestowitz-TR; hi, techrights_guest|24
11:07 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/gemini/
11:07 TR Bot; Techrights on Gemini | Techrights
11:07 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/git/
11:07 TR Bot; Techrights Git (Self-Hosted) | Techrights
11:08 psydroid2; Linus Torvalds did well financially for himself and his family, but at what cost?
11:09 psydroid2; now a whole new generation of people is stuck with an "ecosystem" that is ill and can't be made healthy anymore
11:09 psydroid2; so for humanity as a whole it's becoming a net negative
11:09 schestowitz; https://www.osnews.com/story/18600/richard-stallman-dont-follow-linus-torvalds/
11:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: osnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.osnews.com/story/18600/richard-stallman-dont-follow-linus-torvalds/
11:09 TR Bot; Stallman: Dont Follow Linus Torvalds OSnews
11:09 psydroid2; is that something to be proud of or make it into the history books for?
11:10 schestowitz-TR; IDG
11:10 schestowitz-TR; original broken already
11:10 schestowitz; there is still a COPY in https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/195096/stallman_want_freedom_don_t_follow_linus_torvalds/
11:10 TR Bot; Stallman: If you want freedom don't follow Linus Torvalds - PC World Australia
11:11 schestowitz; " I was not a hobbyist, I was a system developer employed at the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab. I had little interest in 16-bit microcomputers, because the lab's PDP-10, with a memory equivalent to 2.5 megabytes, was much more fun. Pascal is both weak and inelegant compared with Lisp, our high-level language, and for things that had to be fast, assembler language was more flexible."
11:11 schestowitz; ""
11:11 schestowitz; "I don't know how I would have reacted at that time if I had seen that memo. My experience at the AI lab had taught me to appreciate the spirit of sharing and free software, but I had not yet come to the conclusion that non-free (proprietary) software was an injustice. In 1976 I did not use any non-free software. It was only in 1977, when Emacs was ported to the non-free Twenex time-sharing system that I started to experience the nastiness of
11:11 schestowitz; proprietary software. After that, I needed time to recognize this as an ethical and political issue."
11:12 schestowitz; "Copyrights exist, and I have opinions about copyright law. Patents also exist, but patent law is almost completely different from copyright law. My opinions about patent law are also completely different from my opinions about copyright law. Trademark law exists too and it has nothing at all in common with copyright law or patent law. If you want to think clearly about any of these laws, the first step is firmly insisting on treating them as three
11:12 schestowitz; different subjects."
11:12 schestowitz; "If you say something about "intellectual property," you are trying to generalize about three laws that are totally different. Whatever you say will be a foolish over-generalization, because that term only leads to such. I've decided to avoid that pitfall by never using the term. [See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html for more explanation.]"
11:12 TR Bot; Did You Say Intellectual Property? It's a Seductive Mirage - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
11:12 schestowitz; this was 15 YEARS ago
11:12 schestowitz; he had not altered his position
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11:12 schestowitz; the stance is consistent
11:13 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/3320-stallman-if-you-want-freedom-don-t-follow-linus-torvalds/page3#post73329
11:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/3320-stallman-if-you-want-freedom-don-t-follow-linus-torvalds/page3#post73329
11:13 TR Bot; If you want freedom don't follow Linus Torvalds - Phoronix Forums
11:14 schestowitz; "the GPLv3 has _ZERO_ anti-drm clauses or restrictions, and the people who say that simply does not know what they are talking about."
11:14 schestowitz; drm and tivoisation have some overlaps
11:14 schestowitz; but not the same thing
11:14 darwin; in 2004 - '12 I was in university (after college) and the technical writing professor made us write a paper or two that got into the propaganda topic 'intellectual property.' I'd already been aware of FSF/GNU several/many years so was highly critical in my paper and she wrote in red pen 'intellectual property exists!' or something (PhD but didn't really know the laws of it like RMS does)
11:15 schestowitz-TR; it's a religion
11:15 darwin; Microsoft is a big donor to that university
11:15 schestowitz-TR; "IP"
11:16 schestowitz-TR; anyway, keep rebutting
11:16 schestowitz-TR; it works, eventually
11:16 schestowitz-TR; EPO workers stopped saying it
11:16 schestowitz-TR; or they put it in scare quotes
11:16 schestowitz-TR; as they took have realised it's a BS term
11:17 schestowitz-TR; I sometimes wonder who inspired RMS on this topic
11:17 schestowitz-TR; surely someone...
11:17 schestowitz-TR; Lemley from Stanford blasted this teerm a few years ago
11:17 schestowitz-TR; he's like the MOST cited scholar in this domain
11:17 schestowitz-TR; and he said it's not property
11:18 schestowitz-TR; Kinsella did a book about Intellectual Monopolies
11:18 TR News; Good News! Debian-based Lightweight Linux Distro Slax is Still Alive Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161563 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
11:18 TR Bot; Good News! Debian-based Lightweight Linux Distro Slax is Still Alive | Tux Machines
11:20 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: worth doing video+article calling out CNX?
11:20 psydroid2; schestowitz-TR, I think so
11:20 psydroid2; I don't read the Wintel "articles"
11:21 darwin; i used Slax when it was Slackware-based; now I'd just use FreeSlack/Freenix/Slackware-live depending if the hardware is open or not
11:21 psydroid2; I know perfectly well what the hardware is capable of from other sites, but that doesn't mean I'm going to buy it
11:21 schestowitz-TR; after breakfast I'll record something
11:21 schestowitz-TR; so there are the paid-for reviews
11:21 schestowitz-TR; the "sponsored" posts
11:21 schestowitz-TR; JeanLuc doing some fluff
11:21 schestowitz-TR; anything else?
11:22 psydroid2; CNX Software was "our" site where Wintel stuff wasn't prominent
11:22 psydroid2; but if it starts promoting the same stuff it will become less valuable
11:22 schestowitz-TR; linux gizmos is still ok
11:22 schestowitz-TR; imho
11:22 schestowitz-TR; eric brown and rick lehrbaum mever sold out
11:23 schestowitz-TR; *never
11:23 psydroid2; all the world's a Wintel box?
11:23 psydroid2; is that what we should get away from it?
11:23 schestowitz-TR; if you promote bloated systems
11:23 schestowitz-TR; in reality, on "weak" hardware we can now do all we did 10 years ago
11:23 schestowitz-TR; browsing, email etc.
11:23 schestowitz-TR; even video editing
11:24 schestowitz-TR; so unless you are a "gamer" - with so-called "gaming" peripherals - it is moot
11:24 psydroid2; I can do exactly the same things on "weak" hardware
11:24 schestowitz-TR; the addition of cores is just more fat on the battery
11:24 psydroid2; as long as I stick to strictly free software
11:24 schestowitz-TR; no electron :D
11:24 schestowitz-TR; ok, I will record after breakfast
11:25 schestowitz-TR; so outline is
11:25 psydroid2; even the electron stuff will run eventually as the "weak" hardware becomes "strong"
11:25 schestowitz-TR; sponsored, bribed-for revies, shift to wintel, microsoft fluff like phoronix
11:25 psydroid2; the writing is on the wall for "expensive" Wintel
11:25 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: there we'll have ploooooTONNE
11:25 schestowitz-TR; Palladium revisited
11:26 darwin; AMD makes more profit than Intel now, but they're basically no better
11:26 schestowitz-TR; with support from gulagguy
11:26 schestowitz-TR; darwin: yes, they have psp also
11:26 schestowitz-TR; and took some of the same staff onboard
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11:27 psydroid2; darwin, we talked about your problems finding a good serial or IPMI connection to manage your server
11:27 psydroid2; it's just something that doesn't exist on x86 without expensive bandaids
11:28 psydroid2; any server should be manageable without graphics in my opinion
11:28 darwin; it wasn't for a server, and apparently the hardware doesn't allow those
11:28 schestowitz-TR; (let me know if there is another aspect to be covered dre cnx)
11:28 darwin; since it's x86(64)
11:28 schestowitz-TR; *re cnx
11:28 darwin; i mean it would allow it but no BIOS maker added the feature
11:29 psydroid2; and that's because the BIOS is closed and can't be easily replaced with an open firmware
11:29 darwin; AMD is just as bad, except certain 2010s AMD-based server system-/logic-/main-/mother-boards that can rune LibreBoot, but apparently there were some disadvantages to running LibreBoot--it didn't actually replace the BIOS and microcode (as I assumed from earlier project called LinuxBios/CoreBoot led to it) just got rid of it. Now my T500 has no BIOS and also I read after a few/several days it will start having errors
11:30 psydroid2; what kind of errors are those?
11:30 psydroid2; all my AMD hardware is from the BIOS era
11:30 darwin; the T500s start having some CPU errors after a few days, but I forgot what the description said
11:30 darwin; someone on freenode #libreboot told me and/or it's on the website
11:31 psydroid2; in my case it's all AMD AM2 hardware from the late 2000s
11:31 psydroid2; oh, maybe it was leah
11:31 darwin; i was going to buy that sort of hardware but I guess because of KDE, I thought it'd be too slow. Even my PC from eight years ago was faster but too slow with KDE
11:31 psydroid2; you also have the microcode mess
11:32 psydroid2; RISC processors don't have microcode, as far as I know
11:32 darwin; maybe I meant '0s--can you still get ASUS KGPE D16, etc., anywhere?
11:32 psydroid2; I think Raptor Computing Systems was selling that at the time
11:32 darwin; LibreBoot listed at least two similar AMD-based systemboards... I would want the more powerful ones
11:33 psydroid2; but I didn't learn of the company until they were ready to ship their POWER systems
11:34 darwin; well that ASUS one doesn't have enough plain PCI slots
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11:36 psydroid2; when I get the time and the tools I will try converting one of my micro-ATX boards to Libreboot
11:36 psydroid2; maybe it's even possible to put u-boot in the flash?
11:53 *u-amarsh04 is still running a 2009 era Asus M3A78 PRO motherboard
12:07 schestowitz-TR; done video
12:07 schestowitz-TR; 37 mins
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12:31 psydroid2; I would have done the same thing with my ASUS and ASRock motherboards
12:32 psydroid2; but I needed a new laptop in 2016, so I bought one that comes with ME and UEFI
12:32 psydroid2; it works reasonably well now
12:32 psydroid2; and then my uncle gave me his laptop too, because it was too cumbersome to get it running well with GNU/Linux
12:33 psydroid2; it turned out to be a defective memory module
12:33 psydroid2; and 2 years ago with the onset of the pandemic I bought 3 used laptops for lighter tasks
12:33 psydroid2; 150 in total
12:34 psydroid2; other than that I also bought a used Powermac G5, an Orange Pi and a Sun server in 2017
12:34 psydroid2; because x86 was only going to be a temporary thing while other hardware would become available
12:34 psydroid2; fortunatately ARM laptops are becoming a thing now
12:35 psydroid2; and hopefully RISC-V will follow soon
12:35 psydroid2; and maybe some day j-core as well
12:36 leah; psydroid2: machine check exception?
12:36 leah; no wait, you said amd
12:36 leah; i'm busy now, but try to catch it next time and show me. just email it to me
12:36 psydroid2; leah, I don't know, I'm not familiar with x86 beyond a little bit of assembly programming I did in the past
12:37 psydroid2; I think it was darwin who ran into that problem
12:37 psydroid2; but I don't mind working with my older board too in the not too distant future
12:37 psydroid2; sure, I'll send you an e-mail when I get to it
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12:44 bnchs; virtual keyboard on desktop?
12:44 TR News; Easily Use Linux Terminal on #Android With These Apps Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161567 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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12:44 bnchs; i remember using that last time i had a broken keyboard
12:47 bnchs; "Linux commands"
12:48 bnchs; linux doesn't ship with any commands iirc
12:49 psydroid2; I suppose that whatever commands linus wanted to write was already available from GNU
12:49 psydroid2; so Freax never became more than a kernel
12:49 psydroid2; a kernel for freaks, now more so than ever before
12:50 bnchs; also the article just has android terminal emulators
12:50 bnchs; which allows you to get access to Android's (not linux) commands
12:50 bnchs; or BusyBox if you have that installed
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12:51 bnchs; there's also termux, which is GNU/Linux programs ported to arm android
12:53 psydroid2; I've used Termux before
12:53 psydroid2; it works, but is also limited in some ways
12:53 psydroid2; and the compiler is actually llvm/clang
12:53 psydroid2; even when you install gcc
12:54 psydroid2; or "gcc"
12:54 bnchs; really?
12:54 psydroid2; what is more interesting is that such a device could work just fine for development, if you could attach a screen, keyboard and mouse to it
12:54 psydroid2; yes
12:55 bnchs; i use termux for remote ssh
12:55 psydroid2; I tried to compile some stuff on it, but it failed
12:55 bnchs; or using old phones as servers
12:55 psydroid2; because that was the fastest ARM hardware I had
12:55 psydroid2; that phone's screen broke, so it's out of order now
12:55 bnchs; people have more phones than raspberry pi
12:56 bnchs; i wish there was a pihole for old phones
12:56 psydroid2; I want to see if I can fully replace the software on such old phones
12:56 psydroid2; but it takes time, especially when it comes to porting drivers to the mainline kernel
12:57 psydroid2; also on some of my older phones the batteries are dead
12:57 bnchs; it would be more eco-friendly to use some of the existing devices rather than buying a new raspberry pi
12:57 psydroid2; so I would have to order new ones and hope I didn't break the phones by using the wrong charger
12:58 psydroid2; it would be if we got full access to the hardware
12:58 bnchs; yes
12:58 psydroid2; but many phone manufacturers lock bootloaders down and don't give you access to specs, so it becomes much harder than just buying an SBC
12:58 bnchs; there's manufactors like HTC that claims to unlock your bootloader
12:58 bnchs; but it's just a limited bootloader unlock (you can't modify certain partitions)
12:59 psydroid2; I wanted to do something with an Android TV box that was sitting here unused
12:59 psydroid2; but then it went to a relative, so I don't have it anymore
12:59 bnchs; i have a LG G4 that was unofficially unlocked
12:59 bnchs; everytime you start it up it says "secure boot error"
12:59 psydroid2; I would like to put mainline u-boot on them
13:00 psydroid2; yes
13:00 bnchs; but it works afterwards
13:00 psydroid2; I have a Samsung phone here that was used by my mom before, but I really can't do anything with it
13:00 psydroid2; so that is my Android "phone" now
13:00 psydroid2; more like spying device
13:01 bnchs; everyone would have servers, if old phones could be turned into a small server like raspberry pi
13:01 psydroid2; I should take some of these older phones apart and study them to find out how they really work
13:01 bnchs; i have a old samsung phone that i also unoffically unlocked
13:02 psydroid2; I think there could be a market for replacement boards or services to fully replace the software and disable some of the hardware for people who value privacy and freedom
13:02 psydroid2; Qualcomm+Knox is the "devil"
13:02 bnchs; yes
13:02 bnchs; it says knox errors in startup
13:02 bnchs; but still works
13:02 psydroid2; but maybe I don't know enough about unlocking even such devices
13:03 psydroid2; I haven't been able to replace the software
13:03 psydroid2; let me see what model it is
13:04 bnchs; people mostly use their phone for consuming
13:04 psydroid2; Samsung Galaxy J5 SM-J500FN
13:04 bnchs; and then they throw it out after it doesn't run their apps anymore
13:04 psydroid2; with very limited storage
13:04 psydroid2; yes
13:04 psydroid2; that's what my mom did
13:05 psydroid2; but I use them in a different way
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13:05 psydroid2; I don't install crap and use mostly free software
13:05 psydroid2; so all her old phones are surprisingly capable for me
13:05 bnchs; the samsung phone i have is obscure and the custom ROMs were last updated in 2014
13:05 psydroid2; it's a wasteful industry
13:06 bnchs; but the LG phone is still supported with new custom ROMs updates
13:06 psydroid2; but they won't be able to get away with it forever
13:06 psydroid2; new phones have laptop-level specs
13:06 psydroid2; and you don't throw your laptop out every 2-3 years either
13:06 bnchs; the lg phone is very powerful
13:06 bnchs; even though it was from 2015
13:07 psydroid2; preventing people from running actually free operating systems on these devices is the biggest crime of all
13:07 psydroid2; excellent hardware (with baseband backdoor) crippled by dodgy software
13:08 bnchs; i actually bricked the modem on it once
13:08 psydroid2; if it is possible to create and sell phones, it should also be possible to create and sell PDAs with these same chips
13:08 psydroid2; by accident?
13:08 bnchs; yes
13:08 bnchs; reflashed it
13:09 bnchs; but didn't have audio/microphone or baseband for about a day
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13:10 psydroid2; I was thinking that for older devices it may be worthwhile to cripple the modem on purpose and use them as PDAs
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13:11 bnchs; i found it odd that the modem partition was a MS-DOS binary
13:11 psydroid2; especially if they only support older GSM standards that aren't in use anymore
13:11 psydroid2; I don't know much about telecom standards
13:11 psydroid2; yes
13:12 psydroid2; maybe the modem is based on x86?
13:12 psydroid2; I thought it was all MIPS these days
13:12 bnchs; it's actually a FAT16 partition
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13:15 psydroid2; I do have a small FAT32 partition on the SD card for my SBC
13:15 psydroid2; with the device tree, the kernel and the u-boot config file
13:15 psydroid2; because I couldn't get it working with ext4
13:15 bnchs; there's also the proprietary camera stacks and shit
13:16 bnchs; sometimes there's bug and issues on them
13:16 psydroid2; and didn't bother looking into it further
13:16 bnchs; and you can't fix it because the devs are long-gone
13:16 psydroid2; yes, indeed
13:16 bnchs; and the company discontinued the product
13:16 psydroid2; if the hardware is worth it, those stacks could be reverse engineered
13:16 psydroid2; but that requires effort
13:17 psydroid2; for Allwinner A64 a lot of support was reverse engineered and mainlined
13:17 psydroid2; some things still don't work, but I'd rather run fully free software and lack some features than run some old and outdated vendor kernel with blobs
13:18 bnchs; there's actually some camera issues reported in my phone's custom ROMs
13:18 schestowitz-TR; FAT backend
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13:18 bnchs; and they had to use workarounds because the issue required modification of the camera stack
13:18 bnchs; which of course was proprietary and unknown developers
13:18 psydroid2; HDMI audio output is one of the things that still don't work and the wifi/bluetooth chip doesn't have support in the kernel at all and the out-of-tree driver looks abandoned
13:19 psydroid2; so I don't use the wifi on that device
13:19 psydroid2; yes
13:20 psydroid2; developers of those custom ROMs usually avoid the hard work of reverse engineering things and opening them up for inclusion upstream
13:20 psydroid2; I guess it's the nature of the Android environment
13:20 psydroid2; and it actually doesn't help upstream projects
13:21 psydroid2; it's just a one-off device that gets released and then it's off to the next one
13:24 bnchs; let me find the issue
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13:31 bnchs; https://github.com/Suicide-Squirrel/issues_pie/issues/35
13:31 TR Bot; Camera Issue (H815) Issue #35 Suicide-Squirrel/issues_pie GitHub
13:31 bnchs; this is the issue
13:31 schestowitz-TR; github IS an issue
13:31 schestowitz-TR; ;')
13:31 bnchs; sorry but they use github
13:31 bnchs; In our case i can't fix it ! Issue located in our proprietary camera hal which we use from LG. it's closed source. Issue detected at : E mm-camera-sensor: sensor_pick_fill_expected_data:410ex_w:3840, ex_h:2160,ex_mode:1, ex_fps:30.000000, ex_clk:0, ex_ar: 177
13:33 bnchs; so you have to switch between front and back cam
13:33 psydroid2; we can fix the code and send it upstream or create a project somewhere else
13:33 bnchs; "proprietary camera hal"
13:33 psydroid2; but for projects that are already on github it's a bit much to force their hand
13:33 psydroid2; and they won't move anyway
13:33 bnchs; the issue is located in the camera HAL
13:34 bnchs; which means you have to have access the source code to the camera HAL
13:35 psydroid2; is the image with the binaries available somewhere?
13:35 psydroid2; or those few binaries themselves?
13:35 bnchs; https://github.com/Suicide-Squirrel/proprietary_vendor_lge/tree/android-9.0/
13:35 TR Bot; - Suicide-Squirrel/proprietary_vendor_lge: Based on a fork from: https://github.com/TheMuppets/proprietary_vendor_lge
13:35 bnchs; this is the proprietary vendor lge they mix with the ROM
13:38 bnchs; https://github.com/Suicide-Squirrel/proprietary_vendor_lge/blob/android-9.0/g4-common/proprietary/vendor/lib/hw/camera.msm8992.so
13:38 TR Bot; at android-9.0 Suicide-Squirrel/proprietary_vendor_lge GitHub
13:38 psydroid2; I am cloning it now, first to my Gitlab account and then to my laptop
13:39 bnchs; this is the camera module in question
13:39 bnchs; that they use currently
13:42 psydroid2; it's an ARM EABI5 binary
13:45 bnchs; i'm pretty sure thats not the HAL
13:45 bnchs; that's the camera HW module
13:46 schestowitz; gemini://kamalatta.ddnss.de
13:46 schestowitz; weather in berlin
13:46 schestowitz; gemini/gopger
13:46 schestowitz; gemini://kamalatta.ddnss.de/wetter.txt
13:46 psydroid2; I've just run arm-linux-gnueabihf-objdump -D on it to obtain some assembly code, but I have no idea what it is supposed to do
13:46 psydroid2; I hate binary drivers
13:47 psydroid2; or drivers that are only available in binary form
13:48 bnchs; oh nvm it is
13:48 psydroid2; but maybe we can figure out how to communicate with the camera hardware
13:48 psydroid2; it's just so annoying that they do this to "protect" their "IP"
13:49 bnchs; does it have debug symbols
13:49 psydroid2; I don't know
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13:50 bnchs; objdump --syms
13:51 psydroid2; no symbols
13:52 bnchs; damn
13:52 psydroid2; only lots of unfamiliar (to me) ARM instructions
13:53 psydroid2; is there a way to figure out how to communicate with the camera just by setting some registers?
13:53 bnchs; running the SO file with vim
13:54 bnchs; i see a bunch of C++ mangled function names
13:54 bnchs; and pthread-related functions
13:54 psydroid2; oh
13:54 psydroid2; clear
13:54 psydroid2; oops
13:57 bnchs; so there's alot of C++ mangled function names including C functions that the SO module uses
13:57 bnchs; such as atoi pthread
13:57 psydroid2; yes, I see those function names
13:59 psydroid2; but how do you deal with garbage like this?
14:00 bnchs; virtual int32_t qcamera::QCamera3PicChannel::stop()
14:00 psydroid2; I have no experience reverse engineering drivers
14:01 bnchs; this is a qualcom camera driver
14:01 bnchs; usually they look for a "open source" version of the driver
14:01 bnchs; like they did with the IR driver
14:01 psydroid2; and it's a userspace driver, right?
14:02 bnchs; it's a subsystem
14:02 psydroid2; and this gets called by applications?
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14:03 bnchs; yes
14:03 bnchs; but it has a buggy camera2 implementation
14:03 bnchs; which crashes open camera
14:04 bnchs; https://blog.csdn.net/lintwins/article/details/49783917
14:04 TR Bot; 820msm8996camera hal_lintwins-CSDN
14:04 bnchs; someone claims to reverse engineer the camera hal
14:04 bnchs; written in chinese
14:04 bnchs; but it has pictures
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14:05 psydroid2; https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.14/media/v4l-drivers/qcom_camss.html
14:06 TR Bot; 24. Qualcomm Camera Subsystem driver The Linux Kernel documentation
14:06 psydroid2; I don't know anything about v4l either
14:06 psydroid2; I don't know if anyone here knows Chinese
14:06 bnchs; some of the pictures seems interesting
14:06 psydroid2; but I have a friend who does
14:06 bnchs; looks like some internal source code
14:06 bnchs; of the camera driver
14:06 psydroid2; a few even
14:06 bnchs; or reverse engineered whatever
14:08 bnchs; "I have read Qualcomm's camera's v4l2 driver and video codec's driver before, and haven't shared the source architecture diagram. Now first share the source architecture diagram of camera hal. Qualcomm's hal can use hal1 and hal3."
14:09 bnchs; the title is "Qualcomm 820 (msm8996) camera hal source code analysis"
14:09 psydroid2; what is this?
14:09 psydroid2; https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/qcom/camera/+/master/msm8998/QCamera2/HAL3/QCamera3HWI.cpp
14:09 TR Bot; msm8998/QCamera2/HAL3/QCamera3HWI.cpp - platform/hardware/qcom/camera - Git at Google
14:10 psydroid2; yours is msm8992
14:11 bnchs; let me take a look
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14:12 psydroid2; I don't see anything useful here
14:12 psydroid2; https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/qcom/bt/+/refs/heads/master/msm8992/
14:12 TR Bot; msm8992 - platform/hardware/qcom/bt - Git at Google
14:13 bnchs; https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/qcom/camera/+/refs/heads/master/msm8998/Android.mk
14:13 TR Bot; msm8998/Android.mk - platform/hardware/qcom/camera - Git at Google
14:13 bnchs; "MM_V4L2_DRIVER_LIST += msm8992"
14:14 bnchs; so this is some kind of all-in-one source code of the msm camera drivers
14:15 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22020747
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14:19 psydroid2; so it could be useful
14:24 psydroid2; I don't know how old your phone is and what its specs are but maybe it can run a newer Android/LineageOS build
14:24 SomeH4x0r; "it can"?
14:25 SomeH4x0r; fuck Android
14:25 bnchs; it has support for android 10.0
14:25 bnchs; but really i don't want to
14:25 SomeH4x0r; find a device which isn't into this shit
14:25 SomeH4x0r; planned obsolescence, fuck it
14:26 psydroid2; well, it would be best to just run GNU/Linux or something else on it
14:26 SomeH4x0r; yes
14:26 bnchs; postmarketOS
14:27 psydroid2; are the kernel sources available too?
14:28 bnchs; https://github.com/Suicide-Squirrel/kernel_lge_h811
14:28 TR Bot; - Suicide-Squirrel/kernel_lge_h811
14:30 bnchs; even though my device is h810, it is h811-compatible
14:31 psydroid2; they should be close enough in practice
14:31 psydroid2; I really dislike that drivers aren't being upstreamed, though
14:33 bnchs; recently a lineageOS 17.1 rom was released
14:34 bnchs; they had issues with the camera (ofc), but they fixed it (with C knowledge)
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14:39 bnchs; anyway lets get back to tech!
14:47 psydroid2; we are doing tech!
14:47 psydroid2; hardcore tech even
14:48 psydroid2; I actually got back to music a few minutes ago
14:50 bnchs; yes
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15:11 SomeH4x0r; hi
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15:16 schestowitz-TR; new here?
15:16 SomeH4x0r; do techrights_guests come from some webchat?
15:16 techrights_guest|40; Yeah
15:17 schestowitz-TR; yeah, it's a good way to start anyway
15:17 schestowitz-TR; to a lot of people the very concept of IRC is outlandish
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15:22 bnchs; my messages didn't go through
15:22 bnchs; thanks ISP for DNS hijacking and TCP reset attacks
15:23 bnchs; how does webchat IRC work, theres no way the browser allows websites to make TCP connections
15:26 TR News; The C in #CNXSoftware is Not Community Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/cnxsoftware-partly-compromised/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/cnxsoftware-partly-compromised/
15:26 TR Bot; The C in CNX Software is Not Community | Techrights
15:26 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: we could set up our own web relay for m IRC
15:26 schestowitz-TR; I looked into 3 or 4
15:26 schestowitz-TR; but the dependencies they bring in are unwanted
15:26 techrights_guest|40; Yeah Mr. Schestowitz, I find it very complicated to use an IRC, but at least it's easy here.
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15:27 schestowitz-TR; the backend opens a websocket
15:27 schestowitz-TR; and there are libs that deal with irc protocol
15:27 bnchs; maybe write it for gemini
15:27 schestowitz-TR; we have something
15:28 bnchs; actually impossible for gemini
15:28 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi
15:28 bnchs; or very diffcuit
15:28 bnchs; there's no textfields in gemini
15:28 schestowitz; Latest chat logs for #techrights (updated every 5-10 minutes)
15:28 schestowitz; it's not impossible for gemini
15:28 schestowitz; I thought about implementing it
15:28 bnchs; yes
15:29 bnchs; but very hard
15:29 schestowitz; gemini takes inputs
15:29 bnchs; you would have to type parameters in the URL
15:29 schestowitz; but our server software, agate, lacks support for cgi
15:30 schestowitz; you could even do irc over ftp
15:30 schestowitz; like, you upload a file with a message
15:30 schestowitz; then techrights-news detects new file handle
15:31 bnchs; yes
15:31 schestowitz; and cats(a) it into ii (suckless)
15:31 bnchs; but with gemini, it's too user-unfriendly
15:31 bnchs; imagine having to type out URLs just to send a message
15:31 schestowitz; the above page updates every 5 minutes
15:31 schestowitz; so hard to interact
15:31 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/advancing-gemini/
15:31 TR Bot; Chat Over Gemini:// and Potentially IRC or Document Drops | Techrights
15:31 schestowitz; it's more like guestbook
15:31 schestowitz; or messageboard
15:32 schestowitz; not irc
15:32 schestowitz; as you need to refresh to see what other people type in
15:32 bnchs; gemini is not ready for interactivity
15:32 schestowitz; it is not designed for it
15:32 schestowitz; there are protocols like titan://
15:32 schestowitz; but that's for uploads etc.
15:32 schestowitz; sparten:// also
15:32 schestowitz; *tan
15:33 bnchs; you know what's better than this
15:33 bnchs; instead of downloading a titan or spartan client
15:33 bnchs; how about just downloading a IRC client
15:33 schestowitz; lagrange supports many protocols
15:33 schestowitz; kristall can handle several too, inc. http/s with basic html
15:34 schestowitz; irc clients are made for one purpose
15:36 psydroid8; maybe an irc client that looks like lagrange and could be loaded as a plugin
15:37 psydroid8; just to make it fit in but otherwise not depend on gemini
15:38 psydroid8; or kristall or some other application for that matter
15:39 schestowitz-TR; wrong approach
15:39 schestowitz-TR; let the window manager handle tasks
15:39 psydroid8; the only reason why there are web irc clients is that the web became an application platform
15:39 schestowitz-TR; rather than lump everything onto a browser
15:40 schestowitz-TR; bolted in like Communicator in Netscape Navigator
15:40 schestowitz-TR; which means a flaw in the mail client requires you to get the whole Web browser again
15:40 schestowitz-TR; I mean, in Linux it's not like we have one piece of of software doing everything ;-)
15:40 schestowitz-TR; that's a systemd problem ;-)
15:41 bnchs; wiby's real-time chat website
15:41 bnchs; it doesn't depend on javascript
15:41 schestowitz-TR; there is this thing called choome OS
15:41 bnchs; it uses old HTML shit
15:41 psydroid8; I've never understood why people don't want to download a separate irc client
15:41 schestowitz-TR; wherein there's this "everything is webapp" mindset
15:41 psydroid8; unless they are not technically inclined
15:41 schestowitz-TR; office suite? spreadsheet? that's a web app! BROWSER!
15:42 bnchs; browsers can only handle so much
15:42 psydroid8; in which case you throw them a bone and make it easy to get online
15:42 bnchs; there will be a limit
15:42 bnchs; like operating systems and virtual machines
15:42 psydroid8; but if you are interested in gemini you probably know enough to use a separate client
15:43 psydroid8; I avoid the browser as much as possible
15:43 psydroid8; maybe that's the "app" mindset, but I'd rather call it the application mindset
15:44 psydroid8; desktop applications that we used before lumping everything into the browser
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15:45 schestowitz-TR; then they added deskto-side notifications
15:45 schestowitz-TR; which means that some rmote site you never heard of can request control over OS-level things
15:46 schestowitz-TR; no more browser sandbox
15:46 schestowitz-TR; enable mcrophone
15:46 schestowitz-TR; enable webcam
15:46 schestowitz-TR; get location
15:46 schestowitz-TR; get screen size
15:46 bnchs; enable screen recording
15:46 bnchs; enable webgl
15:46 schestowitz-TR; lol
15:46 schestowitz-TR; crash computer
15:46 bnchs; there's an API for recording your screen
15:47 schestowitz-TR; great idea!
15:47 schestowitz-TR; activeX 'standardised'
15:47 schestowitz-TR; go to web site
15:47 schestowitz-TR; popup comes up
15:47 schestowitz-TR; "press here to reboot your machine'
15:47 bnchs; https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Screen_Capture_API/Using_Screen_Capture
15:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Screen_Capture_API/Using_Screen_Capture
15:47 TR Bot; Using the Screen Capture API - Web APIs | MDN
15:47 *schestowitz-TR closes eyes
15:48 bnchs; ofc this got disabled in user.js hacks
15:48 bnchs; returns a NotAllowedError
15:49 *psydroid9 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
15:50 bnchs; https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Battery_Status_API
15:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Battery_Status_API
15:50 TR Bot; Battery Status API - Web APIs | MDN
15:50 bnchs; battery API
15:51 bnchs; https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Proximity_Events
15:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Proximity_Events
15:51 TR Bot; Proximity Events - Web APIs | MDN
15:51 bnchs; motherfucking PROXIMITY API
15:51 bnchs; so that you can know when someone is CLOSE TO THE DEVICE
15:51 schestowitz-TR; lol
15:51 schestowitz-TR; metafox
15:51 schestowitz-TR; now we need api to get a 'little' recording
15:51 schestowitz-TR; just a little
15:52 schestowitz-TR; to know enougn what they might want to buy
15:52 bnchs; they're gonna use this for ads
15:52 schestowitz-TR; you know, because "ads finance the web", according to mozilla last week
15:52 schestowitz-TR; to paraphrase
15:52 SomeH4x0r; "buy" newspeak
15:52 SomeH4x0r; pay for access
15:52 bnchs; "hey you! i know you're looking dumbass"
15:52 SomeH4x0r; you "buy", then it gets revoked
15:53 bnchs; https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/File_System_Access_API
15:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/File_System_Access_API
15:53 TR Bot; File System Access API - Web APIs | MDN
15:53 SomeH4x0r; linking all this shit to accounts, and threatening with COCs and bans
15:53 bnchs; FILE SYSTEM API
15:53 SomeH4x0r; social credit-like
15:53 bnchs; No explaination needed
15:53 bnchs; you can access the user's file system
15:53 SomeH4x0r; fake AVs claimed to do it decades ago
15:53 SomeH4x0r; scanning over the web
15:53 schestowitz; https://www.prweek.com/article/1740679/mozilla-meta-collaborate-privacy-preserving-attribution-solution
15:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: prweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prweek.com/article/1740679/mozilla-meta-collaborate-privacy-preserving-attribution-solution
15:53 TR Bot; Mozilla and Meta collaborate on privacy-preserving attribution solution | PR Week
15:53 SomeH4x0r; now it gets implemented?
15:54 schestowitz; https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/privacy-preserving-attribution-for-advertising/
15:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/privacy-preserving-attribution-for-advertising/
15:54 TR Bot; Privacy Preserving Attribution for Advertising
15:54 schestowitz; "Advertising provides critical support for the Web."
15:54 schestowitz; Bombs provide critical support too
15:54 schestowitz; like, when you take over a country
15:54 bnchs; https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Barcode_Detection_API
15:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Barcode_Detection_API
↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Barcode_Detection_API
15:54 TR Bot; Barcode Detection API - Web APIs | MDN
15:54 bnchs; Barcode API
15:54 bnchs; why?????
15:54 schestowitz; exactly!
15:55 schestowitz; screw www
15:55 schestowitz; it's done
15:55 bnchs; this is insane
15:55 schestowitz; they standarise all the malicious things
15:55 schestowitz; add x
15:55 schestowitz; x " provides critical support for the Web.""
15:55 schestowitz; means
15:55 schestowitz; to MAGMA
15:55 schestowitz; Meta, Apple, Gulag, Microsoft, Rotten Apple
15:56 schestowitz; I did another video about gemini moments ago
15:56 schestowitz; now processing
15:56 bnchs; https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Beacon_API
15:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Beacon_API
15:56 TR Bot; Beacon API - Web APIs | MDN
15:56 schestowitz; we need to promote gemini
15:56 bnchs; "send a request with no response"
15:56 bnchs; "used for analytics"
15:56 schestowitz; any time still promoting Web sites is time wasted from the POV of a future Internet
15:56 schestowitz; esp. if you are within a community that doesn't do "apps" and "likes"
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15:57 bnchs; there's a fucking contact picker API
15:57 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium
15:57 TR Bot; World Wide Web Consortium - Techrights
15:57 bnchs; thankfully it's only implemented in CHROMIUM BROWSERS
15:58 bnchs; https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Contact_Picker_API
15:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Contact_Picker_API
15:58 TR Bot; Contact Picker API - Web APIs | MDN
15:59 bnchs; javascript is the swiss army knife of APIs
15:59 bnchs; we should have gone back to mid 2000's javascript
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16:00 psydroid8; "open source" is in with this agenda
16:01 psydroid8; spy on anyone anywhere anytime using any means
16:01 psydroid8; as long as there is a "business model"
16:01 bnchs; i'm pretty sure if you removed all this shitty APIs
16:01 bnchs; you could compile the browser in less than 2 hours
16:02 psydroid8; netsurf and falkon are ok browsers
16:02 SomeH4x0r; the compile time depends on the hardware
16:02 psydroid8; if you need more then you probably need something different from a browser
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16:03 SomeH4x0r; I'm not sure about Falkon. WebKit is used among a lot "lightweight" web browsers.
16:03 bnchs; yes i know
16:03 SomeH4x0r; WebEngine/Blink is not OK at all
16:03 psydroid8; it's like abusing spreadsheet for data reporting
16:03 bnchs; webkit was used for security vulnerabilities
16:03 psydroid8; GNOME Web is slower than Falkon on my laptop
16:04 techrights_guest|40; And PaleMoon?
16:04 bnchs; pale moon is garbage now
16:04 psydroid8; I haven't tried that but isn't the developer of PaleMoon a bit of a jerk?
16:04 bnchs; i'm pretty sure you never heard of the story of
16:05 psydroid8; I know the developer of ArcticFox
16:05 bnchs; tubby tobian and manchild furry against a russian
16:05 psydroid8; greygandalf on irc
16:05 bnchs; the quest against mypal
16:05 psydroid8; rm@gnu.org
16:05 psydroid8; maybe that's something to look into
16:06 bnchs; matt tobin*
16:06 psydroid8; I'll try to see what he's up to
16:06 bnchs; he got doxxed on kiwi farms
16:06 bnchs; after his mypal shenanigians
16:07 techrights_guest|40; Actually i read their forum...
16:08 psydroid8; could the Gecko engine still be isolated into a library?
16:08 bnchs; the mypal browser was just a fork of palemoon modified to run on windows xp
16:09 psydroid8; I think at this point Firefox development is more about annoying users into abandoning the browser than about being a good browser in its own right
16:10 techrights_guest|40; And they are very strict about the Licence... (Moonchild and the Team)
16:10 bnchs; they should only be strict about their branding
16:10 TR News; #RedHat: Moving from a proprietary to an open source culture Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161571 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
16:10 TR Bot; RedHat: Moving from a proprietary to an open source culture | Tux Machines
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16:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.70 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 270.06
16:10 bnchs; when it's someone else's branding, they shouldn't make up license violations and assume bad faith to get them to remove their projects
16:11 techrights_guest|40; bnchs i agree with you.
16:14 bnchs; https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal/issues/18
16:14 TR Bot; code is not provided Issue #18 Feodor2/Mypal GitHub
16:15 bnchs; matt tobian posts, argues about why the source tree is just a bunch of patch files instead of full source code
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16:16 bnchs; https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal/issues/3
16:16 TR Bot; Issue #3 Feodor2/Mypal GitHub
16:16 bnchs; big wall of issue
16:16 bnchs; moonchild and matt tobian fights against feodor2
16:17 techrights_guest|40; psydroid8 yeah google pays them to sabotage the browser (Firefox), and now here we are, with a web dominated by Gulag...
16:18 *psydroid2 actually wishes for Firefox to just die at this point
16:18 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22020715
16:18 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ouype7czrae81.jpg created on 2022-02-07 04:45:52.836599
16:18 techrights_guest|40; Goddammit
16:18 bnchs; palemoon is just copyright trolling
16:19 psydroid2; so forks don't have to chase its codebase all the time
16:19 bnchs; and i didn't talk about how they canceled the openBSD port, because the port used system libs
16:19 psydroid2; I have a feeling that its development is only continued to annoy independent developers
16:19 bnchs; the community openBSD port*
16:19 psydroid2; "can't have our precious codebase"
16:20 psydroid2; Audacity also did this kind of vendoring of outdated libraries
16:20 psydroid2; and they got away with it for 20 years
16:20 psydroid2; apart from other questionable practices
16:21 bnchs; https://www.palemoon.org/history.shtml
16:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: palemoon.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.palemoon.org/history.shtml
16:21 TR Bot; Pale Moon - Project History
16:21 bnchs; look at the bottom
16:21 bnchs; "2021, or: how Open Source ends"
16:22 SomeH4x0r; ends?
16:22 bnchs; remember this was all because of a russian that decided to fork pale moon to make it support windows XP
16:23 psydroid2; if he wants to do so, let him
16:24 psydroid2; as if anyone sane would still be using windows XP in 2022
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16:24 bnchs; also pale moon attempted to sabotage mypal
16:24 bnchs; by blocking them from the pale moon addons site
16:24 bnchs; https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal/issues/19
16:24 TR Bot; blocked from accessing addons.palemoon.org Issue #19 Feodor2/Mypal GitHub
16:25 psydroid2; I know primarily about the OpenBSD issue
16:25 psydroid2; which isn't an issue, but makes a lot of good sense
16:26 bnchs; matt tobin is a big fatass anyway
16:26 bnchs; feodor2 forked firefox quantum and ported it to windows xp
16:27 bnchs; https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/19492771/152347482-f51058cd-2967-4bc5-80fd-5d269c328774.png
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16:29 psydroid2; microsoft's agenda for planned obsolescence shouldn't coincide with the agenda of free software projects to abandon those platforms microsoft deems obsolete
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16:31 bnchs; yes
16:31 psydroid2; I was actually having trouble getting some software running on ReactOS 0.4.14 because of that
16:32 bnchs; but this is probably because competition
16:32 bnchs; pale moon was to be the only pale moon browser
16:32 psydroid2; but I think they use microsoft compilers that drop support for older operating systems
16:32 psydroid2; if you stick to gcc there is no such issue
16:33 psydroid2; didn't the russian developer rename his fork to grizzly bear moon?
16:38 bnchs; no
16:38 bnchs; swap the first letters in each words in "pale moon"
16:40 psydroid2; that should have done the job
16:41 bnchs; male poon
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16:43 schestowitz-TR; lol
16:44 schestowitz-TR; it is the binary version
16:44 schestowitz-TR; i use librewolf
16:44 schestowitz-TR; rianne uses it too
16:44 bnchs; good
16:44 schestowitz-TR; and loves it because it works better than ff performance-wise
16:44 bnchs; i laugh at anyone who uses pale moon
16:45 schestowitz-TR; i tried gnu icecat around 2005 or 06
16:45 schestowitz-TR; back then konqueror was still a thing
16:45 schestowitz-TR; I still use konqueror every day
16:45 schestowitz-TR; but the main browser is falkon
16:45 schestowitz-TR; sometimes netsuef on the old laptop
16:45 schestowitz-TR; *netsurf
16:46 schestowitz-TR; I never used pale moon
16:46 schestowitz-TR; technically iceweasel was just firefox sans branding afaik
16:47 bnchs; you missed nothing
16:47 bnchs; creator of pale moon supports cloudflare
16:47 TR News; Been fulfilling promise to myself to produce more videos per day, even long ones. Too much stuff on the #www is a waste of time, and the vacuum of actual information can be combated by producing more oneself
16:48 schestowitz-TR; clownflare
16:48 schestowitz-TR; they hate me
16:48 schestowitz-TR; for criticising them
16:48 schestowitz-TR; on technical terms
16:48 schestowitz-TR; and their workers were maybe instructed to make me insisible
16:48 schestowitz-TR; as I am bad for their morale
16:50 bnchs; pale moon is nothing but copyright trolls, cloudflare supporters, tor haters
16:51 MinceR; failmoon also bans at least one extension
16:51 schestowitz-TR; wait, let me ask
16:51 schestowitz-TR; a browser does not do cdns
16:51 schestowitz-TR; is this about dns?
16:52 schestowitz-TR; as 'secure' dns they outsource the spying from your ISP to USA
16:52 schestowitz-TR; so you get NSA/Clownflare/Comcast instead of a Moroccan ISP
16:52 schestowitz-TR; how is that any safer?
16:52 schestowitz-TR; nobody even wants to answer this question
16:52 schestowitz-TR; they say, trust us!!
16:53 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/
16:53 TR Bot; Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights
16:53 bnchs; the best way is to cache the DNS as much as possible
16:53 bnchs; and talk with the DNS server less
16:54 bnchs; https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/focus-android/issues/1743#issuecomment-345993097
16:54 TR Bot; an option to stop trusting Cloudflare certificate Issue #1743 mozilla-mobile/focus-android GitHub
16:54 bnchs; https://github.com/yacy/yacy_search_server/issues/314#issuecomment-565932097
16:54 TR Bot; Github Issue #314 yacy/yacy_search_server GitHub
16:54 bnchs; moonchild supports cloudflare and hates tor
16:54 bnchs; "let them be hostile against tor"
16:54 bnchs; "you don't need to use it"
16:57 bnchs; programs and DNS resolvers should take DNS responses with a grain of salt
16:57 bnchs; and people using the DNS resolvers should be wary of the DNS provider's privacy policy
16:59 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22020650
16:59 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/1ivuzi95ktf81.png created on 2022-02-06 17:44:00.224937
17:02 TR News; Getting Accurate News on the #Internet is Hard; From the Web Its Even Harder Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/news-on-the-internet/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/news-on-the-internet/
17:02 TR Bot; Getting Accurate News on the Internet is Hard; From the Web Its Even Harder | Techrights
17:12 techrights_guest|40; bnchs Like AdGuard DNS or something?
17:15 bnchs; checked out adguard DNS
17:15 bnchs; greeted with a software-rendered SVG animation
17:15 bnchs; that slowed down the browser
17:15 bnchs; adguard DNS's website
17:17 bnchs; techrights_guest|40 DNS services can only log up to the domain requested, and IP address of whoever requested it
17:18 techrights_guest|40; Oh
17:23 techrights_guest|40; bnchs Interesting
17:23 schestowitz-TR; :)
17:25 techrights_guest|40; "happy face intensifies"
17:32 techrights_guest|40; schestowitz-TR lol actually i don't know so much about network's, but i always considering it something very interesting
17:32 techrights_guest|40; to learn.
17:36 bnchs; people should assume that DNS service logs everything
17:36 bnchs; and take their privacy policy with a grain of salt
17:36 bnchs; is what i meant
17:38 psydroid2; what does it take to run your own complete DNS service from home?
17:38 psydroid2; it shouldn't need that powerful hardware
17:38 bnchs; the question is: why would we need one
17:39 bnchs; DNS is simply asking nameservers for directions until you get to the IP address you wanted
17:39 TR News; How to keep #apple and #microsoft awake at night? https://pocketnow.com/install-chrome-os-on-mac-or-pc
17:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pocketnow.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pocketnow.com/install-chrome-os-on-mac-or-pc
17:39 TR Bot; to install Chrome OS on your old Mac or PC - Pocketnow
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17:41 techrights_guest|40; bnchs Danm, maybe I should stop using Adguard DNS... or they are trustworthy?
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17:42 bnchs__; they're as trustworthy as any other DNS services
17:42 SomeH4x0r; not "any"
17:42 bnchs__; yes
17:42 SomeH4x0r; someone attacked my router in the past by insterting an evil DNS server
17:43 bnchs__; there's some services that obey GDPR
17:43 techrights_guest|40; No TechrightsBot-tr i dont want google shit as my primary OS.
17:43 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTHGsjNX4BY
17:43 TR Bot; NO TITLE
17:43 SomeH4x0r; techrights_guest|40: they also advertise Steam shit here
17:43 TR News; Oh, great. #backdoors in your #graphics handling too. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/intel-confirms-standalone-arc-graphics-due-in-q2-also-project-endgame-this-year go away, #intel http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
17:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/intel-confirms-standalone-arc-graphics-due-in-q2-also-project-endgame-this-year
17:43 TR Bot; confirms standalone Arc Graphics due in Q2, also 'Project Endgame' this year | GamingOnLinux
17:43 TR Bot; Intel leaks - Techrights
17:44 bnchs__; GDPR requires IP addresses to be obfuscated (replaced with a dummy IP like 127.0.0.1) or removed
17:44 SomeH4x0r; and make excuses like "let switchers run this shit on GNU/Linux"
17:44 *immibis_ (~hexchat@dynamic-089-204-139-245.89.204.139.pool.telefonica.de) has joined #techrights
17:44 bnchs__; because IP address is considered personal info
17:44 TR News; #Mechajammer brings tactical cyberpunk turn-based RPG pixels to Linux | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/mechajammer-brings-tactical-cyberpunk-turn-based-rpg-pixels-to-linux #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games
17:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/mechajammer-brings-tactical-cyberpunk-turn-based-rpg-pixels-to-linux
17:44 TR Bot; brings tactical cyberpunk turn-based RPG pixels to Linux | GamingOnLinux
17:44 TR News; Just get rid of the friggin' ads, #gulag https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-android-privacy-sandbox/
17:45 SomeH4x0r; GamingOnLinux is mostly evil, I think
17:45 TR Bot; Google Addresses Ads Privacy with Android Privacy Sandbox - Make Tech Easier
17:45 TR News; #Retro x86-based machine emulator #86Box v3.2 brings Linux support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/retro-x86-based-machine-emulator-86box-32-brings-linux-support #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux
17:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/retro-x86-based-machine-emulator-86box-32-brings-linux-support
17:45 TR Bot; x86-based machine emulator 86Box v3.2 brings Linux support | GamingOnLinux
17:46 MinceR; does having a kernel controlled by a "foundation" that has google as one of its platinum members count as "google shit"? :>
17:46 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161572 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
17:46 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
17:46 MinceR; s/platinum/gold/
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17:47 TR News; "Canonical has a big week, why #bcachefs looks like it's taking another step forward, and #ChromeOS Flex for PCs is released." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/147687/linux-action-news-228/
17:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/147687/linux-action-news-228/
17:47 TR Bot; Linux Action News 228 | Jupiter Broadcasting
17:47 schestowitz-TR; we could make a zemlin meme
17:47 MinceR; (on a related note, they can go stick their superheavy webshite where the sun doesn't shine)
17:47 schestowitz-TR; with a tooth of gold
17:47 schestowitz-TR; and one of platinum
17:47 schestowitz-TR; linked to his sponsors
17:47 schestowitz-TR; but it would be in bad taste
17:47 schestowitz-TR; for people with tooth replacements
17:48 schestowitz-TR; such humour would be hard to "chew".../ or "swallow"...
17:48 MinceR; maybe they could put a notice on that piece of shit so i can know what sort of supercomputer it needs to run their superbloated javascript that is apparently necessary to render a bunch of static logos
17:48 bnchs__; websites made with weebly are the most heaviest websites i ever seen
17:48 schestowitz-TR; what is weebly?
17:49 schestowitz-TR; [17:43] <techrights_guest|40> No TechrightsBot-tr i dont want google shit as my primary OS.
17:49 bnchs__; weebly is a website builder
17:49 schestowitz-TR; me neither
17:49 schestowitz-TR; if that weakens Windows, and given crouton and crostini, we might be a step in a better direction
17:50 schestowitz-TR; later people can replace google's bastardised 'linux' with a real thing
17:50 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 21.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 270.08
17:50 bnchs__; not weebly
17:51 bnchs__; i was talking about wix
17:51 bnchs__; their websites are heavy as shit
17:51 TR News; We need to detoxify the Internet in order for it to be useful again; at the moment the Web seems like almost a lost cause (for reasons we've noted many times before) and #GeminiSpace already provides a bit of a safe haven Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/news-on-the-internet/ #Techrights #WWW #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/news-on-the-internet/
17:51 TR Bot; Getting Accurate News on the Internet is Hard; From the Web Its Even Harder | Techrights
17:52 TR News; Obviously nothing happened so far in 2022, except Linux FUD/hysteria; this is part of a longstanding pattern at #ZDNet because theyre being paid by companies with vested interests Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/zdnet-hysteria/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/zdnet-hysteria/
17:52 TR Bot; The World of Linux Through the Lens of ZDNet in 2022 | Techrights
17:52 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: I was gonna mention wix
17:52 bnchs__; they bought out deviantart (which at the time, was pretty lightweight)
17:52 schestowitz-TR; look at info on their gpl dispute with wordpress
17:52 bnchs__; and turned it into a big fucking mess
17:52 schestowitz-TR; they rip off gpl sofwtare I helped with in its early days
17:52 schestowitz-TR; 2004-2007
17:52 bnchs__; you can't run the site on a phone browser anymore
17:52 bnchs__; it will fucking crash
17:53 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wix.com#Use_of_WordPress_code
17:53 TR Bot; Wix.com - Wikipedia
17:53 psydroid2; lol
17:53 schestowitz; ""
17:53 schestowitz; "In October 2016, there was a controversy over Wix's use of WordPress's GPL-licensed code.[40] In response, Avishai Abrahami, Wix's CEO, published an answer explaining which open-source code was used and how Wix collaborates with the open-source community.[41] However, it was subsequently noted that collaboration with the open-source community was not sufficient under the terms of the GPL license, which requires any code built on GPL-licensed code
17:53 schestowitz; to be released under the same license.[42]"
17:53 bnchs__; yes
17:54 TR News; The GNU/Linux userbase and the #Freesoftware community (as in, people who do it for ideological reasons, principles such as altruism, fun and sharing rather than purely for money) are being abandoned by the media Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/cnxsoftware-partly-compromised/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/cnxsoftware-partly-compromised/
17:54 TR Bot; The C in CNX Software is Not Community | Techrights
17:55 bnchs__; ofc their transition of deviantart turning to a bloated website wasn't smooth
17:55 schestowitz-TR; does deviantart have art yet?
17:55 bnchs__; they added the eclipse (bloated) theme at first
17:56 bnchs__; and allowed users to go back to the old theme
17:56 bnchs__; but then, they forced it on everyone, and removed the old theme entirely
17:56 techrights_guest|40; schestowitz-TR no just porn and furry porn... hahahahaha
17:56 schestowitz-TR; haha
17:56 schestowitz-TR; yeah
17:56 schestowitz-TR; site for deviants on drugs
17:56 bnchs__; it's called (deviant)art
17:56 bnchs__; for a reason
17:57 bnchs__; i used to go to it for openbox themes
17:57 schestowitz-TR; more catchy than "Wanking to bunnies"
17:57 schestowitz-TR; yes
17:57 schestowitz-TR; I was gonna mention
17:58 bnchs__; but then they locked the downloads up for users only
17:58 schestowitz-TR; some decent gnu/linux desktop themes and icons were there
17:58 bnchs__; yes
17:58 schestowitz-TR; but then came gnome-look and kde's
17:58 schestowitz-TR; and those had higher s/n ratio
17:59 bnchs__; i found some cool openbox themes on gnome-look
17:59 bnchs__; but then it linked to deviantart
17:59 bnchs__; and then my CPU fan started blasting
17:59 schestowitz-TR; kde's UI now links to these
17:59 schestowitz-TR; from the interface
17:59 schestowitz-TR; like if you add things, then narrow search by word
18:00 schestowitz-TR; or ratings etc
18:00 schestowitz-TR; they download an xml or similar
18:00 schestowitz-TR; and then parse that instead of doing evertything from - well, dug - web browser
18:00 schestowitz-TR; *duh
18:00 schestowitz-TR; otherwise you need to do many things from the CLI, manually..
18:00 schestowitz-TR; which is an obsttacle I'm glad we overcame
18:01 schestowitz-TR; same for fetching new wallpapers
18:01 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161573 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
18:01 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
18:02 bnchs__; sad
18:02 bnchs__; i registered on their site just so i could get a theme
18:02 bnchs__; it straight up asked me what am i gonna do on the site
18:02 bnchs__; what was i*
18:02 bnchs__; btw this was a throwaway account
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18:11 schestowitz-TR; I have just caught up with the NSA chat
18:11 schestowitz-TR; and then DNS
18:11 schestowitz-TR; probably too late to reply to it now
18:11 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: not much benefit running dns from home
18:11 schestowitz-TR; the ISP still sees what IP address you connect to
18:12 schestowitz-TR; i think with udp and tcp/ip they cannot figure out which "port"
18:12 schestowitz-TR; which is mostly an abstract thing
18:12 AdmFubar; they should only have gone up to 11 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-warns-chrome-firefox-100-user-agents-may-break-sites/
18:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-warns-chrome-firefox-100-user-agents-may-break-sites/
18:12 TR Bot; Mozilla warns Chrome, Firefox 100 user agents may break sites
18:12 schestowitz-TR; also, smaller sites change dns entries a lot
18:12 schestowitz-TR; 2 days ago BT remoately rebooted m,y router
18:12 schestowitz-TR; I had to manually alter DNS for gemini to work
18:13 schestowitz-TR; so it had downtime (ip mitmatch for a few minutes)
18:13 bnchs__; wtf is firefox 100
18:13 schestowitz-TR; if people ran dns from home downtime would be hours or days long
18:13 bnchs__; did it really reach 100 major versions
18:13 bnchs__; that's why it's always breaking
18:13 schestowitz-TR; there was another thing I wanted to respond to but forgot
18:14 schestowitz-TR; maybe it was about gdpr or drm
18:14 AdmFubar; ff is at 91 or so... it is rapidly approaching 100
18:14 schestowitz-TR; but it's not important, it is an old topic now
18:16 schestowitz-TR; 91 for esr
18:16 schestowitz-TR; otherwise 97 iirc
18:16 schestowitz-TR; or 96
18:16 schestowitz-TR; i wanted to say a bunch of things about how this dns debate is a decoy for mozilla
18:17 schestowitz-TR; with their fake 'vpn privacy' they want all your paockets
18:17 schestowitz-TR; and they want to be your isp with partners that are super-dodgy
18:17 schestowitz-TR; dns is a tiny piece of a puzzle
18:17 psydroid2; what is their financial status?
18:17 schestowitz-TR; with certificates you can undermine the isp doing dns imposter attacks
18:18 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: whose?
18:18 psydroid2; any ETA for when they are become insolvent
18:18 psydroid2; Mozilla Corporation and Foundation
18:18 schestowitz-TR; I wanted to write tons of things
18:18 schestowitz-TR; about things I did not agree with
18:18 schestowitz-TR; I was doing exercise while catching up with irc
18:18 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: check irs
18:19 schestowitz; https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200097189
18:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200097189
18:19 TR Bot; Mozilla Foundation - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica
18:19 schestowitz-TR; 2019 (filed 2020) was last
18:20 schestowitz-TR; opening pdf now
18:20 schestowitz-TR; whoa!!!
18:21 schestowitz-TR; baker at over 4 million dollars as they say..
18:21 schestowitz-TR; it was 2 million befor
18:23 psydroid2; even though I don't like seeing Mozilla go down, they have sealed their fate by siding with the "devil"
18:26 bnchs__; mozilla corporation and foundation seems retarded
18:27 bnchs__; mozilla corporation so that they can do evil shit, foundation so that they can do good shit
18:27 techrights_guest|40; psydroid2 Mozilla Foundation "Internet For Profit Not People"
18:28 techrights_guest|40; And Corporation too.
18:37 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/researcher-reverses-redaction-extracts-words-from-pixelated-image/
18:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/researcher-reverses-redaction-extracts-words-from-pixelated-image/
18:37 TR Bot; Researcher 'reverses' redaction, extracts words from pixelated image
18:38 techrights_guest|40; Well, anyways they are not Mozilla anymore, since some assholes successfully fired Brendan Eich (the fucking founder of that foundation/corporation)
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18:39 bnchs__; brendan eich was a dumbass anyway
18:39 bnchs__; i wouldn't have hired a guy who invented javascript
18:40 TR News; #Mozilla CEO Increased Her Salary From 2.5 Million Dollars to Over 3 Million in One Year (10+ Times More Than Her Peers Salaries) Despite Poor Performance and They Still Want Donations Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/mozilla-salaries/ #Techrights #WWW #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/mozilla-salaries/
18:40 TR Bot; Mozilla CEO Increased Her Salary From 2.5 Million Dollars to Over 3 Million in One Year (10+ Times More Than Her Peers Salaries) Despite Poor Performance and They Still Want Donations | Techrights
18:40 schestowitz-TR; e^^
18:41 bnchs__; "increased her salary"
18:41 bnchs__; so you mean giving herself more of the money
18:41 schestowitz-TR; yeah
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18:41 schestowitz-TR; I thought you were going to correct that
18:41 schestowitz-TR; when you quotsd it
18:42 schestowitz-TR; like maybe I should call her "they" or something..
18:42 schestowitz-TR; SF, so who knows..
18:42 techrights_guest|40; bnchs_ ?
18:42 schestowitz-TR; nowadays you can get COC-arsewhipped
18:42 schestowitz-TR; for calling a woman "she"
18:42 schestowitz-TR; if she decided she is plural
18:43 techrights_guest|40; bnchs_ Why?
18:44 schestowitz-TR; (this is not a joke)
18:44 bnchs__; i wouldn't have hire someone who invented a language with so much logic errors (mostly due to it being dynamically typed)
18:44 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/debian-social-contract/
18:44 TR Bot; Scientific Excellence and the Debian Social Contract | Techrights
18:45 schestowitz; norbert got in trouble for it
18:45 schestowitz; by the anti-harassment [sic] team of Debian
18:45 bnchs__; i'm not that retarded
18:45 schestowitz-TR; byw, eich was not fired afaik
18:45 bnchs__; when a post calls her a her, i'll call her a her
18:45 schestowitz-TR; he was removed from CEO position, or made to "resign"
18:45 schestowitz-TR; he could probably stay in the company
18:46 schestowitz-TR; but after such treatment would you even wish to stay?
18:46 schestowitz-TR; not defending him
18:46 schestowitz-TR; just saying he was not fired
18:46 schestowitz-TR; and this upset many firefox users
18:46 schestowitz-TR; these past few years they sold users
18:46 schestowitz-TR; hence revenue increase
18:46 schestowitz-TR; they are selling data and stuff
18:47 schestowitz-TR; for money
18:47 schestowitz-TR; they used the goodwill
18:47 schestowitz-TR; and now 'cash in' on in
18:47 schestowitz-TR; and this is not acceptable
18:47 schestowitz-TR; the original company would be infuriated
18:48 techrights_guest|40; I know he resign, sorry for my bad English.
18:48 schestowitz-TR; now he has a browser for cranksa
18:49 schestowitz-TR; with fakecoins
18:49 schestowitz-TR; a devout christaian value or whatnot
18:49 bnchs__; javascript is too bloated
18:49 schestowitz-TR; they too are a market
18:49 schestowitz-TR; the cranks
18:49 bnchs__; i would have perfered early 2000's javascript
18:49 bnchs__; or javascript before 2010
18:49 psydroid2; or maybe no javascript
18:50 bnchs__; javascript is useful, just don't use it too much
18:50 bnchs__; treat it as a tool
18:50 schestowitz; "Blake Ross, one of the original creators of Firefox (it was a fork of the Mozilla Suite, which sort of continues in a badly broken state as Seamonkey.Its no longer packaged by Debian or Ubuntu due to unfixed security flaws), ended up working at Facebook for several years, and then resigning to go work at Uber."
18:50 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/firefox-morals/
18:50 TR Bot; Firefox Becomes as Morally Reprehensible as Apple, Facebook, or Uber | Techrights
18:51 techrights_guest|40; schestowitz-TR yeah he resign for the pressure of some woke dumbfucks, but yeah he become lazy and greedy as hell with his new company Brave *and Browser
18:52 MinceR; https://i.imgur.com/VlUqWBl.jpeg
18:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/VlUqWBl.jpeg
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18:55 techrights_guest|40; Brave is just another chrome clone with privacy patches and stuff from Ungoogle Chromiun, and yeah, the crypto shit's.
18:57 MinceR; and a native ad blocker
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18:59 schestowitz-TR; and cult of personalities (eich)
18:59 schestowitz; "get brace, own the libs!"
18:59 schestowitz; *brave
18:59 techrights_guest|40; @MincerR yeah i forget that, haha.
19:00 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: maybe a 2pac fan?
19:00 schestowitz; 2Pac - Only God Can Judge Me - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5gLoEBbZNis
19:00 TR Bot; 2Pac - Only God Can Judge Me - Invidious
19:01 schestowitz-TR; the www is quickly becoming:
19:01 bnchs; own the libraries
19:01 schestowitz-TR; 1. nginx
19:01 schestowitz-TR; 2. nginc with something behind it, e.g. apache
19:01 schestowitz-TR; 3. cdn
19:01 schestowitz-TR; plus:
19:01 schestowitz-TR; 1. chrome
19:01 schestowitz-TR; 2. chromioum for the freedom-=deluded
19:02 schestowitz-TR; 3. some kickoff of (2) with flavours
19:02 schestowitz-TR; for microsoft or apple or eich lovers
19:02 schestowitz-TR; 4. gulag-owned mozilla piece of crap
19:02 XRevan86; "1. nginx" <- Wrong, the containerisation of everything is eating the popularity away from nginx.
19:02 schestowitz-TR; 5. kinockoff of (4)
19:02 XRevan86; Things like Caddy are the new hotness.
19:02 schestowitz-TR; which contains a lot of the same crap, see (3)
19:03 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: more of a fudge fan
19:03 XRevan86; nginx is simply the best no-nonsense server, nothing more to it.
19:03 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: right, only fudge can judge me now
19:03 MinceR; lol
19:04 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: i run nginx on my sbc now
19:04 schestowitz-TR; it powers the gemini proxy/gateway
19:04 XRevan86; schestowitz: Sounds like a good idea.
19:04 schestowitz-TR; it was originally developed on openbsd
19:04 MinceR; https://youtu.be/gRhB2Oiy0Nc?t=290
19:04 TR Bot; NO TITLE
19:04 schestowitz-TR; (not my sbc)
19:04 MinceR; he can judge you!
19:04 schestowitz-TR; Techrights-sec:
19:05 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: the founder of nginx quit
19:05 schestowitz-TR; nobody mentioned it
19:05 schestowitz-TR; the media is dead
19:05 XRevan86; schestowitz: I heard actually
19:05 schestowitz-TR; because you are in that niche
19:05 techrights_guest|40; schestowitz-TR yes, i believed in him (eich), but I see that he is not as good as they said...
19:05 schestowitz-TR; db+web+server
19:06 schestowitz-TR; msm said nothing
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19:06 XRevan86; https://opennet.ru/56535 well, I'm subscribed to OpenNET.
19:06 TR Bot; ??? ??? ??? ? ????? F5 Network ? ???? ??? NGINX
19:06 schestowitz-TR; in russia, OpenNET subscribed to you
19:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz, NordVPN's latest "Linux" client doesn't set the killswitch properly on boot.
19:07 DaemonFC; You have to turn the killswitch off and on and then reconnect to a server.
19:07 schestowitz-TR; PanamaVPN
19:07 schestowitz-TR; sounds like a scma
19:07 schestowitz-TR; like their banks
19:07 XRevan86; schestowitz: In Linus Tech Tips, OpenNET hacks the BIOS for YOU
19:07 bnchs; proprietary software be like
19:07 bnchs; who the fuck uses nordvpn unironically
19:08 schestowitz-TR; people who think it is nordic
19:08 schestowitz-TR; and now just a bunch of frauds like lee, who pretends to be "london"
19:08 bnchs; any VPN sponsored by youtubers is shit
19:08 schestowitz-TR; money down the "influencers"/..
19:08 schestowitz-TR; i.e.. drain
19:08 schestowitz-TR; moral abyss
19:08 schestowitz-TR; "first, a word from my sponsors....
19:09 bnchs; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QBX84qLsjVo
19:09 TR Bot; Google Analytics is illegal, Weird Chrome OS Flex, and Proton 7 - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious
19:09 schestowitz-TR; in my description you'll find a sea of links... followed by an actual summary full of typos"
19:09 bnchs; i like how his "news" is sandwiched between 2 sponsors
19:09 schestowitz-TR; (I get paid for the links, not for typography)
19:10 schestowitz-TR; I saw some "privacy" channels that shilll STARTPAGE !!
19:10 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wiki/Startpage
19:10 TR Bot; Startpage - Techrights
19:10 schestowitz; it's a cruel, cynical world out there
19:10 bnchs; thats youtube for you
19:10 schestowitz; I wanted to say a lot more about mozilla
19:10 bnchs; they will shill anything that gives them money
19:10 schestowitz; and forgot while cropping the PDFs
19:11 schestowitz; that company became pure comedy
19:11 bnchs; even if it's something so utterly embarrasing like manscape
19:11 bnchs; this guy has both pateron and sponsors
19:11 schestowitz; if they had 100,000,000 users and put a bounty of a data (e.g. browsing history) of each at $1
19:11 schestowitz; that's already enough to employ like 1000 well paid engineers
19:11 schestowitz; in SF Bay Area
19:11 schestowitz; but at what cost to the users... sorry, CUSTOMERS
19:12 schestowitz; ?
19:12 schestowitz; This is what sums up the company
19:12 schestowitz; and why we should help users escape
19:12 schestowitz; sadly, thunderbird would suffer
19:12 schestowitz; imagine some poor sod in a develping country giving $10 to mozilla FOUNDATION
19:13 schestowitz; feeling so garatified
19:13 schestowitz; a whole day's salary
19:13 schestowitz; and the jaw drops when the sod realises that some corporate lawyer for Gulag and "Meta" adds that $10 to a $3,000,000+ salary (per annum, tax free)
19:13 schestowitz; not sure is ironic
19:14 schestowitz; or a movie plot for Equalizer 3
19:15 TR News; #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161574 #Linux #TuxMachines
19:15 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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19:16 bnchs__; linux experiment: puts sponsors on the video, description, and comment
19:16 schestowitz-TR; yes
19:16 schestowitz-TR; nick
19:16 schestowitz-TR; he got banned
19:16 bnchs__; on what channel
19:16 schestowitz; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155374#comment-30916
19:16 TR Bot; Google/YouTube Bans GNU/Linux Channel "The Linux Experiment", Some More Videos Published | Tux Machines
19:17 schestowitz-TR; he was shilling some laptop
19:17 schestowitz-TR; his channel can be OK, but too much shilling for my taste
19:17 schestowitz-TR; still
19:17 schestowitz-TR; like I said the other night in a video,
19:17 schestowitz-TR; iot's not OK that gulag shills epstein's enabler bill gates
19:18 schestowitz-TR; and that's "OK"
19:18 schestowitz-TR; while laptop-peddling Linux channels get banned
19:18 schestowitz-TR; says a lot about who runs the gulag
19:18 bnchs__; youtubers shill bill gates, that's OK
19:18 schestowitz-TR; yes
19:18 schestowitz-TR; bill is GOOD
19:18 schestowitz-TR; he pays the gulag
19:18 schestowitz-TR; to support women
19:18 schestowitz-TR; in the gulag
19:18 schestowitz-TR; #gatepartner
19:18 schestowitz-TR; (no, he didn't pay me)
19:19 bnchs__; gulag?
19:19 schestowitz-TR; google inc
19:19 bnchs__; do you mean he pays the influncers?
19:19 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag:_A_History
19:19 TR Bot; Gulag: A History - Wikipedia
19:19 bnchs__; yes i know about gulag
19:19 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/01/01/google-goolag-or-gulag/
19:19 bnchs__; but #gatespartner videos was actually bill bribing youtubers
19:19 TR Bot; In 2022 We Should Quit Calling it Google and Explain What It Has Really Become: Gulag (Goolag) | Techrights
19:20 schestowitz; i got siik and tired of them last year
19:20 schestowitz; partly because of some sick shill
19:20 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/
19:20 TR Bot; Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights
19:21 TR News; #cisco #proprietarySofrware "A remote attacker could exploit this vulnerability to cause a denial-of-service condition." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/02/17/cisco-releases-security-updates-email-security-appliance
19:21 TR Bot; Cisco Releases Security Updates for Email Security Appliance | CISA
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19:22 techrights_guest|40; Bill Gates is mentally disable.
19:23 TR News; "A reporter interviews a #Uyghur #humanrights advocate, and uses the Otter.ai transcription app." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/02/possible-government-surveillance-of-the-otter-ai-transcription-app.html
19:23 TR Bot; Government Surveillance of the Otter.ai Transcription App - Schneier on Security
19:24 bnchs__; ".ai"
19:24 bnchs__; meme tld
19:24 TR News; #KaliLinux 2022.1 overview | The most advanced Penetration Testing Distribution - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=k-J1UG6kttM #video #invidious #gnu #linux
19:24 TR Bot; Kali Linux 2022.1 overview | The most advanced Penetration Testing Distribution - Invidious
19:24 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: hey hi
19:26 TR News; NSA won't tell you to discard Cisco altogether as #NSA controls #Cisco https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/02/17/nsa-best-practices-selecting-cisco-password-types
19:26 TR Bot; NSA Best Practices for Selecting Cisco Password Types | CISA
19:27 TR News; Edit text on Linux with #KWrite and Kate | https://opensource.com/article/22/2/edit-text-linux-kde #FreeSW #GNU #Linux
19:27 TR Bot; text on Linux with KWrite and Kate | Opensource.com
19:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, NordVPN added something to their Windows client.
19:28 DaemonFC; It keeps popping up a box pestering users to go on autopay.
19:28 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, they add bugs to the Linux one each release.
19:29 schestowitz-TR; they're not adding bugs
19:29 schestowitz-TR; they ARE bugs
19:29 schestowitz-TR; and you give them all your packets
19:29 schestowitz-TR; to panama
19:29 schestowitz-TR; and who knows who will get this trove one day
19:29 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Apparently, the fine from the IRS for not issuing 1099s in a timely fashion is $50 per day per account, to the person who should have issued them.
19:29 bnchs__; DaemonFC: they want autopay for a reason
19:30 DaemonFC; From as widespread as this issue seems to be with Holdup, that's going to be some major fines.'
19:30 bnchs__; so that you forget about your VPN subscription and then you realize your bank account is empty
19:30 bnchs__; don't even go on autopay
19:30 bnchs__; ever*
19:30 DaemonFC; If the IRS talks to me about a math error or something, my reply is going to be "I did the best I could given that Uphold is in violation of the deadline for issuing 1099 forms.".
19:31 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/cherish-the-use.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2019/10/you-dont-know-what-you-got-til-its-gone/ )
19:31 TR Bot; You dont know what you got til its gone
19:31 DaemonFC; I think my math is right though. If it isn't, it'll be plus or minus a dollar or two of income, which would not affect my taxes owed anyway.
19:32 TR News; #pfSense 2.6 Released, ZFS Is Now the Default File System http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161474#comment-32853
19:32 TR Bot; pfSense Plus version 22.01 and pfSense CE version 2.6.0 Software are Now Available | Tux Machines
19:32 DaemonFC; Mom said that they got IRS letters all the time when she was with mom and Gonad and Dave.
19:32 techrights_guest|40; TechrightsBot-tr yup, Kali Linux best distro for test anal penetration to your systems and networks.
19:32 TR News; Arthur Wesley Dows Floating World: *Composition* (1905 edition) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/dow-composition/ #publicdomainreview #publicdomain
19:32 TR Bot; Arthur Wesley Dows Floating World: *Composition* (1905 edition) The Public Domain Review
19:32 DaemonFC; They'd just send out letters saying "We owe you $100. Here." or "You owe us $300. How do you want to pay it?".
19:33 DaemonFC; They're almost never interested in pursuing something beyond this level unless it's obvious you were trying to pull some dastardly scheme.
19:33 DaemonFC; *with dad
19:33 schestowitz-TR; pay with fakecoin
19:33 DaemonFC; Of course, she's extremely sloppy on her taxes and she's never not in trouble with the IRS.
19:33 schestowitz-TR; for your fakevpn
19:34 DaemonFC; But they just slap levies on her and get the money and then same time next year.
19:34 DaemonFC; They never send her to prison, and sometimes it's a lot of money too.
19:34 DaemonFC; At one point, she owed them over $16,000.
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19:34 schestowitz; KING CPU Michael https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Roadmap-2022-Fin-Day https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OSPray-Studio-0.10
19:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Roadmap-2022-Fin-Day
19:34 TR Bot; Updates Roadmap For Arc Graphics, Sapphire Rapids, Falcon Shores - Phoronix
19:34 TR Bot; OSPray Studio 0.10 Open-Source, Interactive Visualization Software Updated - Phoronix
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19:35 bnchs; windows would be like cartman saying he doesn't have an anal probe, and then a big ass satellite pops out of his ass
19:35 schestowitz; "briefcase with "CORE" on its way, Fatima"
19:35 DaemonFC; There's no point in turning over people to the US Attorney when it's just money like this. That costs the government money. If you leave them alone and let them work, you'll get it eventually.
19:36 TR News; Of course #intel has outsourced #OSPray to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware ... see http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
19:36 TR Bot; Intel leaks - Techrights
19:37 TR News; Today Larabel runs 'ads' for #intel ... with no connection to Linux. Last paragraph: "More details on today's announcements at Intel.com." Is this an article or ad? Hard to tell anymore... http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
19:37 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
19:38 bnchs; https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/suicide-hotline-silicon-valley-privacy-debates-00002617
19:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: politico.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/suicide-hotline-silicon-valley-privacy-debates-00002617
19:38 TR Bot; hotline shares data with for-profit spinoff, raising ethical questions - POLITICO
19:39 TR News; So #Linode is now owned by a company that spreads FUD about #freesw .... you have my sympathies if you're a Linode client. Consider alternatives...
19:40 bnchs; "Those disclosure terms also note that Metas Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp services can access the content of conversations taking place through those platforms. (Before this article was published, Meta confirmed that it has access to that data but says it does not use any of it, except for cases involving risk of imminent harm. After publication, WhatsApp clarified that it and Meta have no access to the contents of messages occurring vi
19:40 bnchs; a WhatsApp.)"
19:40 schestowitz; bnchs: http://techrights.org/2022/02/01/crisis-text-line/
19:40 TR Bot; Crisis Text Line, a Charity Backed by Melinda Gates and Steve Ballmer, Collects Data From Suicidal People, Then Sells it to Advertisers and Other Third Parties | Techrights
19:41 DaemonFC; Stallman is actually wrong about IRS audits. They do focus on wealthy people.
19:41 schestowitz; source?
19:41 DaemonFC; They also hit up people who claim credits with high percentages of abuse.
19:41 schestowitz; propublica claimed the opposite
19:41 schestowitz; buyt propublica also took bribes from bill gates
19:41 DaemonFC; The EITC, while claimed by people who are poor, is also a highly abused credit.
19:41 schestowitz; based on https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php
19:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cjr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php
19:41 TR Bot; Journalisms Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism Review
19:42 DaemonFC; The IRS says statistically, 46% of all tax returns that claim EITC have some sort of major error on them.
19:42 DaemonFC; That's why Congress passed a law that delays your tax return and automagically has the IRS computer calculate if you got the credit right.
19:42 DaemonFC; But making over $100,000 also doubles your risk of an audit.
19:43 DaemonFC; Since automated EITC audits count as an audit, your risk is relatively severe if you claim EITC that year or make over $100,000.
19:43 DaemonFC; The IRS can also audit up to six years back if you made a major misrepresentation of income, which is almost certainly going to affect people with lots of income more often.
19:44 DaemonFC; For most people, it's three years.
19:44 DaemonFC; So the window of exposure if you make a lot of money is twice as long, with twice the risk of any particular year being called up.
19:44 DaemonFC; The IRS doesn't audit a high percentage of returns though.
19:45 DaemonFC; In the last decade it went from 1% of all returns in 2010, to about 0.4%-0.5% on average recently, and in 2020 it was 0.25% since COVID chased them out of the office.
19:45 DaemonFC; But they're back, so I expect it'll return to normal as soon as they clear the backlog.
19:46 DaemonFC; But out of those half a percent or so, a person not claiming the EITC or making a lot of money is probably at a 0.1% chance of any particular year being called up.
19:46 DaemonFC; With an exposure of the trailing three years.
19:46 TR News; #PipeWire 0.3.46 Released https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/tags/0.3.46 #ibm #redhat
19:46 TR Bot; 0.3.46 Tags PipeWire / pipewire GitLab
19:47 DaemonFC; Most people who simply make a small mistake or don't claim abusive credits, have very little chance of an IRS audit. It happens. I think Stallman's argument should be that it doesn't happen often enough to keep some people honest.
19:48 TR News; #freesw would help the planet https://blogs.fsfe.org/pboddie/?p=2496 see http://techrights.org/2022/01/24/proprietary-is-pollution/
19:48 TR Bot; Some thoughts about technological sustainability Paul Boddie's Free Software-related blog
19:48 DaemonFC; If they weren't off trying to implement facial recognition software, I wonder how much of their budget would be freed up.
19:48 TR Bot; Proprietary Software is Pollution | Techrights
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19:48 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Stallman should talk about ID.me and how the IRS is trying to impose that to get at your tax records, and how it can't tell black and Asian people apart.
19:49 DaemonFC; That's a major issue going on at the IRS, and it's technology, and it's spyware/surveillance.
19:49 TR News; #AccessNow thinks #ZDNet is a legit source??? Maybe it was... 2 decades ago. http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet
19:49 TR Bot; ZDNet - Techrights
19:49 DaemonFC; And they can access state license databases whether you have REAL ID or not, so there's pretty much no reason to try to impose it.
19:49 DaemonFC; Yet, they do.
19:50 DaemonFC; Many of those rioters at the Capitol were tracked down using license databases from states where REAL ID is an option, or outlawed at the state level.
19:50 DaemonFC; :)
19:50 TR News; #Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161575 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
19:50 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:50 DaemonFC; Obviously, the licenses we have are "good enough" to do that.
19:50 DaemonFC; So what's with REAL ID?
19:50 DaemonFC; bbiab
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19:53 schestowitz; trollling https://lateweb.info/why-is-linux-so-bad-and-window-11-better-in-every-single-way/?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=why-is-linux-so-bad-and-window-11-better-in-every-single-way
19:53 TR Bot; Why Is Linux So Bad And Window 11 Better In Every Single Way?
19:53 schestowitz; "Going on and maybe in conclusion I want to say that Linux is a unique operating system when you want to make a server or something super secure, but for ordinary people today as a desktop graphical environment Linux just is not worth even for no money."
19:54 schestowitz; Taking screenshots of terminal
19:54 schestowitz; with ascii art
19:54 schestowitz; yeah... gnu/linux is just some ascii stickfigure
19:54 schestowitz; real apt
19:54 XRevan86; qpwgraph oh cool.
19:54 schestowitz; tempted to say "troll" here
19:57 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161576 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
19:57 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:58 TR News; More Developers Should Use Linux. Not Sure Why They Dont! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161577 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
19:58 TR Bot; More Developers Should Use Linux. Not Sure Why They Dont! | Tux Machines
19:59 TR News; "When we need a controller of best choice, Arduino Series is best choise as it has a wide community helping new users. When you use external devices or sensors, you will need to be aware of Arduino Uno Pinout." https://peppe8o.com/arduino-uno-pinout-pins-defining/
19:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/arduino-uno-pinout-pins-defining/
19:59 TR Bot; Arduino UNO Pinout: PINS Defining
19:59 schestowitz; https://www.fosslife.org/meeting-free-days-and-other-tips-productivity
19:59 TR Bot; Meeting-Free Days and Other Tips for Productivity
19:59 schestowitz; "
19:59 schestowitz; Time spent in unnecessary meetings is killing creativity and inspiration for many of us, says Katie Sanders.
19:59 schestowitz; This article offers expert advice for clearing your calendar and improving productivity, such as eliminating recurring meetings, keeping meetings short and small, or making an entire day meeting free
19:59 schestowitz; "
20:00 schestowitz; make them all meeting-free
20:00 schestowitz; and get rid of the people who organise the meetings
20:00 schestowitz; they usually do nothing of value anyway
20:00 schestowitz; just draining company budget
20:01 TR News; While laying off many workers the CEO of #Mozilla piled up a lot of tax-exempt cash, and it continued to increase in spite of criticism (the above isnt even the latest; it may be a lot more by now) Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/mozilla-salaries/ #Techrights #www #firefox | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/17/mozilla-salaries/
20:01 TR Bot; Mozilla CEO Increased Her Salary From 2.5 Million Dollars to Over 3 Million in One Year (10+ Times More Than Her Peers Salaries) Despite Poor Performance and They Still Want Donations | Techrights
20:03 TR News; "This large pull request hopes to solve segfault at cleanup and problems with multiple charsets in multiple connections to Oracle." http://blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/02/please-help-test-big-pull-request-for-dbdoracle.html #deletegithub first; don't compel people to create #microsoft #proprietarySoftware (vendor lock-in, spying) accounts
20:03 TR Bot; help test big pull request for DBD::Oracle | dean [blogs.perl.org]
20:03 TR News; PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL #JDBC 42.3.3 Released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-jdbc-4233-released-2410/ #postgresql
20:03 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL JDBC 42.3.3 Released
20:03 bnchs; "big pull request"
20:03 bnchs; does it use rust
20:03 bnchs; i hope not
20:04 TR News; How to kill communities: "All complaints, actions, and statistics are anonymized and aggregated to protect the identities of all parties involved." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-community-code-of-conduct-committee-annual-report-for-2021-2406/ http://techrights.org/2020/01/03/linux-kernel-code-of-conduct-committee/
20:04 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL Community Code of Conduct Committee Annual Report for 2021
20:04 TR Bot; The Linux Foundations Linux Kernel Code of Conduct (CoC) Committee is Now Officially Corporate | Techrights
20:07 TR News; "Two weeks later, three of four peeps in my home have had it. One person has managed to avoid the virus. While none of us were really sick, its been real slow to entirely recover." https://euroquis.nl//blabla/2022/02/17/delay.html
20:07 TR Bot; Some Delays | [bobulate]
20:08 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/life-is-unavailable.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2019/10/make-life-available-for-everyone/ )
20:09 TR Bot; Make life available for everyone!
20:09 TR News; This Triple-Screen #RaspberryPi Kid's PC Packs a Lot of Tech Into a Custom Walnut Case https://www.hackster.io/news/this-triple-screen-raspberry-pi-kid-s-pc-packs-a-lot-of-tech-into-a-custom-walnut-case-9cc73922796f #gnu #linux
20:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hackster.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hackster.io/news/this-triple-screen-raspberry-pi-kid-s-pc-packs-a-lot-of-tech-into-a-custom-walnut-case-9cc73922796f
20:09 TR Bot; Triple-Screen Raspberry Pi Kid's PC Packs a Lot of Tech Into a Custom Walnut Case - Hackster.io
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20:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 56.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 270.11
20:11 TR News; #Databases: pgBackRest 2.37, CoC, JDBC, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161578 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
20:11 TR Bot; Databases: pgBackRest 2.37, CoC, JDBC, and More | Tux Machines
20:12 TR News; SPAN du jour: "CNXSoft: This is a guest post by Renato Kiss, Product Manager" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/02/17/iot-device-monitoring-as-a-product-reliability-improvement-tool/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/cnxsoftware-partly-compromised/
20:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/02/17/iot-device-monitoring-as-a-product-reliability-improvement-tool/
20:12 TR Bot; IoT device monitoring as a product reliability improvement tool - CNX Software
20:12 TR Bot; The C in CNX Software is Not Community | Techrights
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21:11 AdmFubar; big pull request sounds a bit off color...
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21:51 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 75.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 270.13
21:52 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/Ddb5DQj.jpeg
21:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/Ddb5DQj.jpeg
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21:56 DaemonFC; schestowitz, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/02/17/nordvpn-merges-with-surfshark-breaks-the-linux-client-again-starts-harassing-windows-users-to-go-on-autopay/
21:56 TR Bot; NordVPN merges with SurfShark, breaks the Linux client again. Starts harassing Windows users to go on autopay. BaronHK's Rants
22:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I laughed at that "tip your landlord" thing.
22:05 DaemonFC; No option to even opt-out on the payment site. You have to click Custom Tip and then enter $0.00 every month.
22:05 DaemonFC; "Donate more money than the rent to your landlord?" Default: 25%
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22:29 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/no-conservatives.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2019/10/i-was-looking-for-a-more-libertarian-drink/ )
22:29 TR Bot; I was looking for a more libertarian drink
22:35 schestowitz; MinceR: so no manchin in it
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22:38 TR News; Like Father, Like Son: How the #Trudeau Manufacture Crises to Justify Emergency Measures https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/02/investigative-reports/like-father-like-son-how-the-trudeaus-manufacture-crises-to-justify-emergency-measures/ #canada
22:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/02/investigative-reports/like-father-like-son-how-the-trudeaus-manufacture-crises-to-justify-emergency-measures/
22:38 TR Bot; Like Father, Like Son: How the Trudeaus Manufacture Crises to Justify "Emergency Measures"
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22:39 TR News; #Gulag Analytics is illegal, Weird Chrome OS Flex, and Proton 7 - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QBX84qLsjVo #video #invidious
22:39 TR Bot; Google Analytics is illegal, Weird Chrome OS Flex, and Proton 7 - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious
22:40 TR News; " #SXIV is an amazing image viewer from the suckless style of apps but it's been left by the way side and abandoned luckily a few devs wanted to keep it around and now with have SXIV the Neo Simple X Image Viewer." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ocwuA9Cs8RA
22:40 TR Bot; NSXIV: The Only Image Viewer You Need - Invidious
22:42 TR News; Modifying expectations! https://ajadi-abiola.github.io/blog/Modifying-expectation setting expectation very low by choosing #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #github for #outreachy
22:42 TR Bot; Modifying expectations!
22:45 TR News; "Many musicians will be familiar with the metronome, a pendulum charged with generating a rhythmic tick to keep ones performance in regular time. With PendulumSynth, [mrezanvari] takes the same basic pendulum but uses it in an altogether different musical way." https://hackaday.com/2022/02/17/pendulumsynth-ties-music-and-physics-together/
22:45 TR Bot; Ties Music And Physics Together | Hackaday
22:46 TR News; #Arduino project: Sending #MIDI Wirelessly With The NRF24L01 | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/17/sending-midi-wirelessly-with-the-nrf24l01/
22:46 TR Bot; MIDI Wirelessly With The NRF24L01 | Hackaday
22:47 TR News; " #camera also supports the Xavier NX dev kit equipped with the similarly Linux-driven #Jetson TX2 NX module." https://linuxgizmos.com/8mp-hdr-cameras-available-in-usb-and-csi-flavors/
22:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/8mp-hdr-cameras-available-in-usb-and-csi-flavors/
22:47 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/8mp-hdr-cameras-available-in-usb-and-csi-flavors/ )
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22:50 TR News; #EasyOS cifs-utils fix plus JWM drives menu tweaks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161393#comment-32854 #gnu #linux
22:50 TR Bot; EasyOS version 3.4 released | Tux Machines
22:55 TR News; "With the proliferation of cheap laser modules, it is really worth scrapping a headlight? Maybe. But it is an interesting look inside of a modern headlight, either way. Weve peeked inside these headlights before. Maybe you can turn those old headlights into an oven." https://hackaday.com/2022/02/17/high-power-laser-salvaged-from-headlights/
22:55 TR Bot; Laser Salvaged From Headlights | Hackaday
22:55 TR News; Videos: NSXIV, Kali Linux 2022.1, Linux Action News, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161579 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
22:55 TR Bot; Videos: NSXIV, Kali Linux 2022.1, Linux Action News, and More | Tux Machines
22:56 TR News; Contextual Policies & LAN Protection (ABE Quantum) in NoScript 11.3! https://hackademix.net/2022/02/17/contextual-policies-lan-protection-abe-quantum-in-noscript-113/ #NoScript #mozilla #firefox
22:56 TR Bot; Contextual Policies & LAN Protection (ABE Quantum) in NoScript 11.3!
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22:57 TR News; "In a previous article, I showed you how to detect third-party vulnerabilities in Python. This article shows how to scan your #Java code for the same issues." https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/find-java-vulnerabilities #programming #security
22:57 TR Bot; How to find third-party vulnerabilities in your Java code | Enable Sysadmin
22:58 TR News; The Electrifying Debate Around Where #Lightning Comes From | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/17/the-electrifying-debate-around-where-lightning-comes-from/ #hackaday #science
22:58 TR Bot; Electrifying Debate Around Where Lightning Comes From | Hackaday
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23:01 TR News; "This initiative is working on #CentOS Stream/Emerging #RHEL to make this new distribution a reality. The goal of this initiative is to prepare the ecosystem for the new CentOS Stream." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-of-february-14th-18th/
23:01 TR Bot; CPE Weekly Update Week of February 14th 18th Fedora Community Blog
23:02 TR News; While #vmware runs a #hateCampaign against #linux the #ibm #redhat folks posted this https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-create-vmware-vm-template-red-hat-satellite see http://techrights.org/2022/02/13/vmware-epic-fud/
23:02 TR Bot; How to create a VMWare VM template for Red Hat Satellite
23:02 TR Bot; Latest Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) Patterns Against Linux (the Real Issue is Proprietary Software) | Techrights
23:03 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: MIDI Hacking, Arduino, Triple-Screen Raspberry Pi, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161580 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
23:03 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: MIDI Hacking, Arduino, Triple-Screen Raspberry Pi, and More | Tux Machines
23:04 psydroid8; proprietary software companies helping other proprietary software companies
23:04 schestowitz-TR; yep
23:04 schestowitz-TR; redhat: linux not secure
23:05 schestowitz-TR; buy support
23:05 schestowitz-TR; upgrade to the next rhel
23:05 schestowitz-TR; buy security alerts
23:05 schestowitz-TR; (upselliing)
23:05 TR News; #FPGA Starter Videos To Help Soften That Learning Curve | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/17/fpga-starter-videos-to-help-soften-that-learning-curve/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/17/#latest
23:05 TR Bot; Starter Videos To Help Soften That Learning Curve | Hackaday
23:05 psydroid8; they know they have to stand together if they don't want to be annihilated by the free software juggernaut
23:05 TR Bot; Social Control Media Posts
23:05 psydroid8; rhel for running oracle
23:06 schestowitz-TR; testing: http://lxer.com
23:06 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lxer.com
23:06 psydroid8; well no, there is free Oracle Linux for that
23:06 schestowitz-TR; i this a dns problem in europe?
23:06 schestowitz-TR; or is this domain unregistered everywhere?
23:06 psydroid8; so no revenue for red hat
23:06 schestowitz-TR; since more than 24 hours ago?
23:07 psydroid8; seems parked or gone
23:07 schestowitz-TR; it suggests they did not renew their domain
23:07 schestowitz-TR; ok, the bot above is in trumpland
23:07 schestowitz-TR; california
23:07 schestowitz-TR; not sure what it got
23:07 schestowitz-TR; from here (two PCs) it's always a non-site
23:07 schestowitz-TR; parked template
23:08 psydroid8; or did they go out of business?
23:08 schestowitz-TR; not sure
23:08 schestowitz-TR; something suggests they still posted
23:08 schestowitz-TR; so I suspect something more subtle is happening
23:08 schestowitz-TR; like out of synch DNS somewhere
23:08 psydroid8; they wouldn't let this slip for 24 hours or more
23:09 TR News; "The Raptor Lake processor family is the 13th generation of Intel Core, which is scheduled for launch later this year." https://optocrypto.com/intel-core-raptor-lake-gets-advanced-linux-support/ but #intel loves #nsa and hates #linux based on leaks: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
23:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: optocrypto.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://optocrypto.com/intel-core-raptor-lake-gets-advanced-linux-support/
23:09 TR Bot; Intel Core "Raptor Lake" gets advanced Linux support
23:09 TR Bot; Intel leaks - Techrights
23:10 schestowitz-TR; psydroid8: they are a big site
23:10 schestowitz-TR; I wrote about this publicly several times already
23:11 psydroid8; someone should have picked up on it by now, if they are aware
23:11 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/InCaseYouMisse2/status/1494408024689020940#m
23:11 TR Bot; In Case You Missed It (@InCaseYouMisse2): "techrights.org/2020/08/16/bi" | nitter
23:11 schestowitz-TR; well, you might say
23:11 schestowitz-TR; that I ought not care
23:11 schestowitz-TR; as in some sense they are "competition"
23:12 schestowitz-TR; but still
23:12 TR News; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161581 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
23:12 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
23:12 TR News; #BlueMail is available in #Zenwalk http://www.zenwalk.org/2022/02/bluemail-is-available-in-zenwalk.html #gnu #linux
23:12 TR Bot; Zenwalk GNU Linux: BlueMail is available in Zenwalk
23:13 psydroid8; it's a complete breakdown of advertising supported journalism
23:13 psydroid8; advertisement*
23:13 psydroid8; do we even want that kind of news?
23:13 TR News; "This is an update to the original #Dockershim Deprecation FAQ article, published in late 2020." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/02/17/dockershim-faq/ one day it's there... and then... it's GONE! OSPS. #kubernetes
23:14 TR Bot; Updated: Dockershim Removal FAQ | Kubernetes
23:14 psydroid8; you can see what it has led to
23:14 schestowitz-TR; does lxer do ads?
23:14 schestowitz-TR; I never saw any
23:14 schestowitz-TR; let me check lxer from other location... though the sites that I used to exploit for that are long gone
23:14 psydroid8; I don't think so, but I'm not sure
23:15 psydroid8; still what journalism is still left?
23:16 psydroid8; I think geminI aggregators are going to be more useful
23:17 psydroid8; geeks to other geeks, experts to other experts
23:18 schestowitz; https://www.ebool.com/alternatives/browsershots
23:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ebool.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ebool.com/alternatives/browsershots
23:18 TR Bot; 14 Browsershots Alternatives & Similar Services - eBool
23:18 schestowitz-TR; the site I used about 15 years ago is dea
23:18 schestowitz-TR; no business model
23:19 schestowitz; https://www.browserling.com/browse/win/7/ie/11/http%3A%2F%2Flxer.com
23:19 TR Bot; - Live interactive cross-browser testing
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23:22 psydroid8; if it isn't back in a day or so, it's probably dead
23:22 TR News; #Valve clarifies how they test Native Linux or Proton for Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/valve-clarifies-how-they-test-native-linux-or-proton-for-steam-deck/ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games
23:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/valve-clarifies-how-they-test-native-linux-or-proton-for-steam-deck/
23:22 TR Bot; clarifies how they test Native Linux or Proton for Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
23:22 schestowitz-TR; psydroid8: it is more complex than this
23:22 schestowitz-TR; as something suggests they still update it
23:22 schestowitz-TR; but dns does not point at the right server
23:23 TR News; Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.3 RC 2 https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-3-rc-2 #godotengine #deletegithub
23:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-3-rc-2
23:23 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.3 RC 2
23:23 psydroid8; cracked or misconfigured dns?
23:23 TR News; What sane person would wish to outsource such data to #gulag even for a "discount"? YOU are the product. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/google-nest-thermostat/
23:23 TR Bot; Save $30 on a Google Nest Thermostat - Make Tech Easier
23:24 TR News; Retiring #Clutter - Clutter Project https://blogs.gnome.org/clutter/2022/02/16/retiring-clutter/ #GNOME #GNU #Linux #GTK
23:24 TR Bot; Retiring Clutter Clutter Project
23:25 bnchs; https://github.com/DesktopECHO/Pi-hole-for-Android
23:25 TR Bot; - DesktopECHO/Pi-hole-for-Android: Pi-hole + Unbound for Android The DNS Ad-blocker for Raspberry Pi also works great in Android! Linux Deploy image for rooted Android 4.0.3+ ARM devices.
23:25 bnchs; pi hole hosting in an android phone
23:26 bnchs; the "app" that it uses requires android lollipop (5.0)
23:26 TR News; #Slax Proves You Cant Keep a Good Linux Distri http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161563#comment-32855bution Down
23:26 TR Bot; Good News! Debian-based Lightweight Linux Distro Slax is Still Alive | Tux Machines
23:27 psydroid8; I wonder how expensive a replacement board for an existing phone would be
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23:28 TR News; #NordVPN merges with SurfShark, breaks the #GNU #Linux ; client again. Starts harassing #Windows users to go on autopay. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/02/17/nordvpn-merges-with-surfshark-breaks-the-linux-client-again-starts-harassing-windows-users-to-go-on-autopay/ #baronhk
23:28 TR Bot; NordVPN merges with SurfShark, breaks the Linux client again. Starts harassing Windows users to go on autopay. BaronHK's Rants
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23:28 psydroid8; the thing with phones is that they are produced in the millions, so cost can remain low
23:29 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at how to install #Minetest on #ZorinOS 16." #freesw and better than #microsoft #minecraft (IIRC also predates it) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=V-PRQ_fjJi4
23:29 TR Bot; How to install Minetest on Zorin OS 16 - Invidious
23:29 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I called the police on the non-emergency number to file a report. Those energy scammers are back.
23:30 psydroid8; time and effort invested in Minecraft is lost
23:30 DaemonFC; Sometimes they just want to do electricity fraud and sometimes they invade your home and steal things and rape women and stuff.
23:32 bnchs; minetest was in 2010
23:32 bnchs; about 1 year after minecraft or something
23:32 schestowitz-TR; was there a prior incarnation?
23:33 schestowitz-TR; or maybe another "craft" thing
23:33 schestowitz-TR; such an ugly game
23:33 schestowitz-TR; looks like 1990s
23:33 schestowitz-TR; why did it catch on?
23:33 schestowitz-TR; even duke nuken looks better
23:33 bnchs; yes
23:33 schestowitz-TR; *kem
23:33 bnchs; if you count roblox (2004) and blockland (2003?)
23:35 TR News; #KDE or #Krita artist Ken Vermette (kver):"This Saturday (Feb 19th) from 12:00pm to ~4:00pm EST Ill be livestreaming preliminary work on the Plasma 5.25 wallpaper, as well as a brainstorming session for possible directions the Plasma 6 wallpapers could go. Iconography might also be a thing." https://kver.ca/2022/02/streaming-this-saturday/
23:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: kver.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://kver.ca/2022/02/streaming-this-saturday/
23:35 TR Bot; Streaming this Saturday Ken Vermette
23:35 bnchs; s/2004/2006/
23:35 bnchs; s/2003/2004/
23:36 TR News; This is an ISC command, not "LINUX" https://www.networkworld.com/article/3649730/using-the-linux-host-command-to-dig-out-dns-details.html
23:36 TR Bot; Using the Linux host command to dig out DNS details | Network World
23:36 bnchs; "Linux commands"
23:36 bnchs; holy shit Linux has no commands
23:36 TR News; We are NOT "helping" people by calling "the whole thing" just Linux. We are CONFUSING people.
23:38 TR News; #Linux is just a #kernel ; this is #linuxutil (not kernel) https://bytexd.com/linux-whereis-command/
23:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bytexd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://bytexd.com/linux-whereis-command/
23:38 TR Bot; Whereis Command - ByteXD
23:39 TR News; Richard Stallman on Writing rm, ls, and cp (Also Working on Bison) Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/rms-on-his-gnu-programs/ #Techrights #GNU #FSF #history #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/10/rms-on-his-gnu-programs/
23:39 TR Bot; Richard Stallman on Writing rm, ls, and cp (Also Working on Bison) | Techrights
23:39 bnchs; richard stallman?
23:39 bnchs; those commands are linux property
23:39 TR News; GNU Programs Arent Linux Commands But GNU Programs Techrights http://techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW #revisionism | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/
23:40 TR Bot; GNU Programs Arent Linux Commands But GNU Programs | Techrights
23:40 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: so RMS stole from torvalds
23:40 schestowitz-TR; when torvalds was 13
23:40 schestowitz-TR; he copied Linux work ;0)
23:40 bnchs; when RMS was 10 he stole my lunch money and bought a sandwich
23:40 psydroid8; Linux commands and conquers our hearts and minds
23:41 TR News; #Games: Mechajammer, 86Box, Godot, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161582 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
23:41 TR Bot; Games: Mechajammer, 86Box, Godot, and More | Tux Machines
23:42 schestowitz-TR; "no way this man calkled stallman made Linux"
23:42 schestowitz-TR; "because I checked wikipedia and it said Linux was created in Finland"
23:42 schestowitz-TR; [that's why RMS asks people to use the correct naming]
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23:44 TR News; "Every few weeks, it seems like I suddenly get the urge to do some bash scripting. And today was one of those days. I was at the office and wanted to listen to some online radio, and I thought: what I need is to create a #dmenu script for this!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZBNrHaHK3gM #gnu #linux
23:44 psydroid8; Linux is a Finnish operating system hijacked by Americans who forcibly inserted GNU elements into it
23:44 TR Bot; Bash Script For Listening To Online Radio - Invidious
23:44 psydroid8; rewrite history in America
23:45 schestowitz-TR; followed by some ad hominem
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23:45 schestowitz-TR; BTW, the other day I linked to the site oif own leblanc
23:45 schestowitz-TR; I worked with him in MCC
23:45 schestowitz-TR; he was the maker of the first distro
23:45 schestowitz-TR; he combined gnu and linux
23:45 schestowitz-TR; as a phd student here iirc
23:45 schestowitz-TR; no fame for him
23:46 bnchs; bill gates also combined msdos and windows
23:46 schestowitz; http://people.man.ac.uk/~zlsiial/
23:46 TR Bot; Owen Le Blanc's Home Page
23:49 TR News; What's coming in #GoLang 1.18 [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/883602/ #LWN
23:49 TR Bot; coming in Go 1.18 [LWN.net]
23:52 psydroid8; is he still there or is that page frozen in time?
23:52 schestowitz-TR; frozen
23:52 schestowitz-TR; I am surprised this domain still works
23:53 schestowitz-TR; that page looked the same when I was about 20
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23:54 TR News; Raw photo editing with RawTherapee Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161583 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
23:54 TR Bot; Raw photo editing with RawTherapee | Tux Machines
23:54 TR News; #PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161584 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
23:54 TR Bot; PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone | Tux Machines
23:57 MinceR; there are many Linux-based smartphones
23:58 bnchs; they can't say GNU/Linux
23:58 TR News; They're conflating Linux with various tools that have nothing to do with Linux and were not made specifically for that kernel https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-process-management/
23:58 TR Bot; Linux Process Management: The Ultimate Guide
23:58 bnchs; it's not in their DNA
23:58 bnchs; pinephone is a GNU/Linux phone
23:58 bnchs; like android is a Linux-based phone
23:59 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/marinated-cooked-baby.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2019/11/i-remember-when-marinated-cooked-baby-was-only-3-99-a-pound/ )
23:59 TR Bot; I remember when Marinated Cooked Baby was only $3.99 a pound
23:59 psydroid8; If GNU had any sense, it would have been complete years ago
23:59 psydroid8; everyone knows Linux is a dead-end kernel
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