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00:10 TR News; FSD meeting recap 2022-10-14 https://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-10-14 meeting moderated by people who demanded that FSF founder be removed from FSF
00:10 TR Bot; FSD meeting recap 2022-10-14 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
00:11 TR News; "October 7, 2022 meeting, where we saw a couple of new programs added, an update to a collection page, and a discussion on the value of providing licensing and copyright notification file headers to every code file." "https://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-10-07
00:11 TR Bot; FSD meeting recap 2022-10-07 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
00:12 TR News; Libera* Software Foundation. (*see Code of Conduct for things you cannot see or say)
00:14 TR News; "If you have Windows installed on your computer and then installed a Linux distro next to that, your computer may not boot from the correct drive." https://www.androidauthority.com/change-windows-boot-drive-bios-3220576/
00:14 TR Bot; How to change the Windows boot drive in BIOS - Android Authority
00:16 TR News; "The FIRST first was on gemlog.blue, which I quickly left after realizing it was completely unmoderated. The SECOND first was on smol.pub, which is a lovely place with a great dev, but over time I came to decide I wanted to keep my gemlog here on my capsule and maintain it myself." gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/gemlog/first_entry.gmi
00:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Doctor Pizza not the "Doctor" with the DoorDash Pizza?
00:20 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/coming2.gif ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-coming#comic )
00:21 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
00:26 DaemonFC; Don't mind mjg59_.
00:26 MinceR; :>
00:27 DaemonFC; He was just getting in a quick Pepperoni pizza before the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes has their pork ban go into effect.
00:27 DaemonFC; Fucking morons.
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00:54 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129000615/the-fda-declares-a-shortage-of-adderall
00:54 TR Bot; The FDA has officially declared a shortage of ADHD drug Adderall : NPR
00:55 DaemonFC; "So some people are just going without," he said. "You know, they're not doing as well at their jobs. They're not really able to keep up as much in professional and personal relationships. Some people I've talked to are trying to compensate with other sort of stimulants, drinking a lot of coffee, energy drinks people I've talked to who have thought about going to the black market."
00:55 DaemonFC; Drug addicts.
00:57 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129172979/election-software-ceo-is-charged-with-allegedly-giving-chinese-contractors-data-
00:57 TR Bot; CEO of poll worker scheduling software company Konnech charged in Los Angeles : NPR
00:58 DaemonFC; Slipping data to the Chinese.
01:11 TR News; Trying to blame "GoLang" because people write programs in GoLang and "Linux" because people can install malware on Linux https://www.hackread.com/alchimist-attack-framework-linux-windows-mac/
01:11 TR Bot; Linux, Windows and macOS Hit By New "Alchimist" Attack Framework
01:12 TR News; (NEW): The Wine development release 7.19 is now available. http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/wine_719.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/wine_719.gmi
01:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines The Wine development release 7.19 is now available.
01:13 TR News; Using Wikipedia from the Linux command line | Network World https://www.networkworld.com/article/3676572/using-wikipedia-from-the-linux-command-line.html Source: Network World | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.networkworld.com/article/3676572/using-wikipedia-from-the-linux-command-line.html
01:13 TR Bot; Using Wikipedia from the Linux command line | Network World
01:32 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/10/13/1126878376/christian-lee-captures-black-gun-ownership-in-armed-doesnt-mean-dangerous
01:32 TR Bot; These are the faces of the rising number of Black gun owners in the U.S. : The Picture Show : NPR
01:33 DaemonFC; They mean ones with a permit, I'm assuming?
01:35 DaemonFC; The ones with the permits are getting them because of the people without the permits that the cops just watch commit felonies and then go "What do you want us to do about it? Oh here, we'll frame you for a traffic ticket while we're here.".
01:37 XRevan86; https://openwrt.org/releases/22.03/notes-22.03.1
01:37 TR Bot; [OpenWrt Wiki] OpenWrt 22.03.1 - Service Release - 12 October 2022
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01:59 whitenigga; frog: you're insane dawg
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02:28 reptilian_thrills; starstreak! if there must beee streeeeaaak, pleeeeease let this staaaarrstreeeeaaaaak...
02:28 reptilian_thrills; staaaaaayyy.....
02:28 reptilian_thrills; </billmurray>
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02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-141022.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-141022.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-141022.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-141022.txt
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03:05 AdmFubar; oh this is just wrong https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/10/researchers-make-cyborg-cockroaches-that-carry-their-own-power-packs/
03:05 TR Bot; Researchers make cyborg cockroaches that carry their own power packs | Ars Technica
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03:24 DaemonFC; https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311666518_547216697405301_3257991382648606889_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=_w42PFAKhdcAX9_ekK9&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=00_AT9OsER-g3jwEKxUp1BzOlYsAafriivyo7q-pF4Fl2YaDg&oe=634E0F7C
03:24 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
03:25 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/10/13/1128694481/with-two-black-men-running-for-senate-in-georgia-race-takes-center-stage
03:25 TR Bot; Raphael Warnock and Hershel Walker discuss race in Georgia Senate contest : NPR
03:26 DaemonFC; Ah, yes, the contender on the right. A dumb piece of shit football celebrity with 150 traumatic brain injuries, who sired kids with women all over Georgia that he wasn't married to, and ran out on all of them. Endorsed by Trump.
03:27 DaemonFC; And the contender on the left, a longtime married man, pastor, and father.
03:27 DaemonFC; How is the polling on this even close?
03:30 DaemonFC; I could never vote for a man like Herschel Walker. I mean, for fuck's sake. The guy's favorite pastime is obviously making lots and lots of illegitimate kids from broken homes and having women chasing him for child support.
03:32 DaemonFC; At least Trump managed to find a guy who went to college (on the football team, so.....they find you classes that are almost impossible for anyone to fail).
03:32 DaemonFC; :)
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03:36 geert; supsupsupsup
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03:40 AdmFubar; and you think you have it bad... https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/15/potty-prices-sydney-studio-apartment-with-toilet-in-kitchen-on-market-for-520-a-week
03:40 TR Bot; Potty prices: Sydney studio apartment with toilet in kitchen on market for $520 a week | Housing | The Guardian
03:41 geert; thats not regular inflation effects anymore
03:41 geert; uh oh
03:44 DaemonFC; If Illinois had voter ID, it wouldn't be this nonsense from the 18th century where they're at the county clerk going "That doesn't look like Ryan Farmer's signature!".
03:45 DaemonFC; And it's a couple of 90 year old women without their readers on.
03:45 DaemonFC; Because there's nothing better to do when you're on Social Security waiting to die.
03:46 DaemonFC; In Indiana, there's no question of who can vote or not.
03:46 DaemonFC; If you're a felon, you can't vote.
03:46 DaemonFC; If you're anyone else, bring some form of state-issued photo ID on it with your address listed.
03:46 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, then you run into other problems.
03:47 DaemonFC; Like that lady who confused me with another Ryan Farmer living in the county and said "You already voted! I'm calling the police!" Again, 90 year old woman, nothing better to do, on a power trip.
03:47 DaemonFC; My fucking God. Can you believe how much the limo liberals like mjg59_ would be shitting themselves if I was black and running into these people?
03:48 DaemonFC; It's almost like it just happens to white men too, you know?
03:48 DaemonFC; Nobody covers it on the news.
03:48 DaemonFC; The cops pull white men over and kill them.
03:48 geert; voting dont make much sense anyway when some people figure the so called 'masses' 'dumb deplorables' who would threaten state security by un- or mis-informed voting instead of more of correctly addressing underlying issues
03:48 DaemonFC; The election workers threaten to call the police on a white man trying to vote.
03:48 geert; doesnt* voting doesn't
03:49 DaemonFC; You ask for an apartment with a misdemeanor on your record, they threaten you there too.....white man.
03:49 DaemonFC; Won't someone please think of the white men?
03:49 geert; so many people kind of tangled up with them 'colors' i guess
03:49 geert; so much nonsense
03:49 geert; its not the 'colors'
03:50 DaemonFC; I've seen Darren Bailey's tax returns. Five years of them.
03:50 geert; besides its not black and white either, those are not considered 'colors' and actually nobody really is black or white
03:50 geert; its more like everybody is 'colored', some more dark, others less dark
03:50 DaemonFC; Sometimes he doesn't have any money to tax because his farm lost money that year.
03:50 geert; it kind of begins there already
03:50 DaemonFC; He makes more money as a Illinois State Senator than he does farming.
03:50 geert; if we dont get to adress it more properly, e.g. stopping the nonsense about black and white and just regarding everyone colored, i dont get to expect much improvement soon
03:51 DaemonFC; It's true that he could sell the land for a few million bucks, and it's also true that on the whole he makes some money with his farm, but I mean, the guy is not a multi-billion dollar hotel heir.
03:51 DaemonFC; Like what he have in there now.
03:51 DaemonFC; Like, it's a guy that's out on his tractor in blue jeans, filling out his income tax forms like everyone else.
03:51 DaemonFC; I don't like Pritzker.
03:52 DaemonFC; I voted for him last time because Brucer Rauner was an incompetent fool who was essentially a Democrat in the worst ways and as crooked as any of them are.
03:52 DaemonFC; *Bruce
03:52 DaemonFC; He made money with a hedge fund. He signed a bill that created taxpayer-funded abortion for all state employees and women on Medicaid.
03:53 geert; btw whats up with the kind of inflexible old hacker space decoration called MinceR maybe?
03:53 DaemonFC; And he got into a pissing match with Mike Madigan, who offered him a "compromise package", and Rauner threatened a veto. So Madigan just kept the state government unfunded for two years. And in those two years, stuff still got done in Madigan's district, including a brand new High School.
03:55 DaemonFC; It's ridiculous. Once every couple years you get a ballot and maybe there's even a few choices on it.
03:55 DaemonFC; And they try to stop it from going in the box.
03:55 geert; many so calledpromises are more to lure you in on purpose than planned to be kept as well
03:55 geert; kind of complications in regard to voting process as well i guess
03:56 DaemonFC; I suppose if voting made no difference at all, then what happened to me today wouldn't be possible.
03:56 DaemonFC; After all, what difference does it make, so why would they care?
03:56 DaemonFC; They're panicking. The Democrats are.
03:56 geert; well of course it got effects, called 'difference', although not necessarily as appointed officially
03:57 DaemonFC; They're sending out panicked emails to me saying that they need "3,000 more voters" in Waukegan than last time or they could lose the Supreme Court.
03:57 geert; oof not just them, much 'republicans' arent really in their right minds either
03:57 DaemonFC; Good, fuck em.
03:57 DaemonFC; I already voted for the Republican for the Supreme Court.
03:57 DaemonFC; I want the FOID Act gone.
03:57 geert; i think it basically comes down to; not just voting process but underlying so called 'politics' basically got hijacked
03:57 DaemonFC; Now they need to find 3,001 voters in Waukegan, I suppose.
03:57 geert; see this so called politics it kind of get influence in public affairs and commercial interest got kind of heftier lobby than regular workers, even if bundled via unions
03:58 DaemonFC; They obviously don't have this thing in the bag if they've lost me.
03:58 geert; meaning the one lobby got more influence than the other, and supposed politics couldnt stay with 'common interest' so shifted to heftier lobby, but without provoking conflict by explaining it properly to 'voters'
03:59 DaemonFC; I don't know about Bailey and lobbyists.
03:59 DaemonFC; The business groups were trying to prop up Richard Irvin.
03:59 geert; voting process effects is more of result to such complications, it should be expected as corrupted as so called politics moved from common interest to particular interest so to speak
03:59 DaemonFC; Ken Griffin lost $50 million on Irvin and then said he was leaving Illinois.
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03:59 geert; oof im not really into those names in depth from the netherlands
03:59 DaemonFC; Griffin was one of the few Republican megadonors in Illinois politics.
03:59 DaemonFC; He was the one behind Rauner too.
04:00 geert; we got quite some stuff going in netherlands ourselves so to speak, currently
04:00 DaemonFC; The big money was all on Irvin.
04:00 geert; not trying to be rude, maybe in a bit i get to look up a bit into those names, probably would stimulate better discussion here
04:00 DaemonFC; And once he lost the primary election, big time, they haven't been so excited.
04:01 DaemonFC; I don't like being bribed and Pritzker was trying to bribe me.
04:01 DaemonFC; They sent $50 for me and $50 for my spouse, but $100, really?
04:01 DaemonFC; In the middle of THIS?
04:01 DaemonFC; And where did the state come up with that?
04:02 DaemonFC; And why are couples with two kids who make $400,000 getting $200?
04:02 DaemonFC; Does $200 make much difference on an income of $400,000?
04:02 DaemonFC; I was talking to schestowitz[TR] about the cash bribes with your own money.
04:02 DaemonFC; And they slip them to people who ARE....NOT....POOR. And.....do not need it!
04:03 DaemonFC; If they cut that shit out and set a $75,000 household cap or something, they could double it and at least make some difference to people getting crushed under inflation right now!
04:03 DaemonFC; I don't think there should be a stimulus check for any household making over $75,000 unless maybe they have kids, and then they should probably make the cap $95,000 or something.
04:04 DaemonFC; I'm just not okay with stimulus checks going to people with six figure incomes.
04:04 geert; one should strive for less corruption in any system, which would favor the systems original purpose, so to speak
04:04 DaemonFC; It's a psychologically important thing, you know?
04:04 DaemonFC; What do people with $400,000 a year do with a $50 check from the government? MMM?
04:04 geert; but we get to deal with kind of peculiar situations, in many aspects of society, where quite some people try utilize the corruption with systems
04:04 DaemonFC; :)
04:05 DaemonFC; Good for one free oil change at Walmart. -Pritzker
04:05 geert; this is basically described where fast most difficulties stem from, from a more of direct perspective
04:05 DaemonFC; I wonder if Matt GULAG got his California stimulus from Governor French Laundry.
04:05 geert; whether its law system, digital system, voting system, systems should basically not be corrupt as it stimulates 'dysfunction'
04:05 DaemonFC; Or if it just went to illegal immigrants.
04:06 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Chime in buddy.
04:06 geert; and that is not why people tried systems
04:06 DaemonFC; Don't hold it back. I hate French Laundry too, you know!
04:06 geert; they tried systems to deal experience of difficulties/hardship better
04:06 geert; and dysfunction doesnt favor that dealing
04:07 geert; so regarding money, definition of money, so called monetary system, we get to see that quite some people favor predictability within market than the volatility of market consisting of more authentic difficulties and tries to match possibilities to those difficulties, sometimes referred to as 'problems - solutions dynamic'
04:08 geert; that trying to favor predictability over quality, as an example, is basically coming down to utilzing corrupting the system instead of minimizing corrupting the system
04:08 DaemonFC; California is so mismanaged that they chased out like 560,000 of their residents, net, over the last ten years.
04:08 geert; without that, regarding money, you BET all lobying would be stimulated in very different functioning
04:08 DaemonFC; And that's on top of the ones that keeled over of COVID and had to deal with the fires.
04:09 DaemonFC; Governor French Laundry dining with no mask on with rich pals, sending prisoners out to deal with fire.
04:09 DaemonFC; mjg59_, That's your governor!
04:09 geert; so lobbying is result to that, to a quite significant extent, to which suppposed 'politics' is result to lobbying to which voting process is result to supposed politics
04:09 geert; so malicious corrupted cause leading to expectable malicious corrupted results
04:09 DaemonFC; I don't think many of us would mind if California finally fell into the ocean.
04:09 DaemonFC; I'm glad, watching what's happening to San Francisco.
04:10 geert; well that suggestion seems a bit harsh to me
04:10 DaemonFC; They're experiencing like 500-600 layoffs a day there now.
04:10 DaemonFC; Soon there won't be anything left of the place.
04:10 geert; you dont need to be overly hostile because they refuse to do something else than make many mistakes there, so to speak
04:10 geert; well its not going all too good, thats for sure
04:10 geert; but hey some so called 'red states' got issues too bro no kidding ya
04:12 DaemonFC; The "red states" grow the food and manufacture things and have power generation.
04:12 DaemonFC; The blue states get freaks like mjg59_ whose work will be wiped out soon in a tech crash bankruptcy.
04:12 geert; oh its might be different issues
04:13 geert; but without addressing the corrupting the system against each other, i dont think many red or blue change much
04:13 geert; look its both sides not muchpolitics left
04:13 geert; lots of crap, hijacked crap, and those trying to utilize misuse of money behind it, well, those pretty much dont care much color anyway
04:14 geert; thats more like elitism to what they consider stupid and replacable, or uber/untermensch kind except not so much with race as with hitler but more with whats considered 'economical interest representation'
04:15 DaemonFC; Yeah, so they spend their time mocking people. The people who run the economy that they depend on. Who do actual work.
04:15 geert; very much corrupted 'economical interest' though
04:15 DaemonFC; And then they wonder where people like Trump come from.
04:16 geert; 'market effects' has lead to things like 'top dog' positions moving FAR AWAY from 'top of the bill mentality within group'
04:16 geert; meaning group as system got corrupted thus gain of dysfunction
04:16 geert; this monetary flawed design doesnt stimulate top of the bill mentality closer to top dog position so to speak
04:17 geert; its reverse, so without addressing these relatively easy matter more properly, there is not much improvement to be expected
04:17 geert; it dont matter much if its called red, blue, democratic or republican, the shit is paid pretty much by what we call money
04:17 geert; so we got to deal them dynamics first if we collectively get to aim for more improvement so to speak
04:17 geert; theres not much 'but' there.
04:18 geert; its gotten this much of misery, that much so called 'status quo' is considered professionalism within system a threat and tries to attack it
04:19 geert; and then some people under disguise of great reset pretty much rather 'de-populate' in order to keep the corrupted monetary crapthan to address it properly
04:19 geert; i mean the corrupted monetary crap that gets to cause almost all the other crap
04:19 geert; so to speak
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:20 geert; making this great reset caller, on the outside, in reality more of a build up of a 'vierten reich' albeit the organizers strive for much more succesful one than hitlers dritten reich tries
04:20 geert; yea we got some serious issues these days, it go bit beyond cali and what not blue or red states, pretty much throughout the globe
04:21 geert; did you get to know that without supposed 'globalist' warmongerers .ru still wouldn't have gotten to annex crimea TO THIS FRICKEN DAY?
04:21 geert; as an example
04:21 geert; boy we got quite the issues currently and more than quite some decades ago, lots of supposed knowledged people that meanwhile just more of conformistically repeat nonsense from goons than actually fricken understand much
04:21 geert; yea, we got some serious issues
04:24 geert; oh wow i didnt got banned yet
04:25 geert; yeayea we getting some hackers a bit moarinto hacking lately i gues
04:25 geert; yeayea theydont need to like me
04:25 geert; but fuck they start to get some it seem
04:25 geert; haha
04:26 geert; oh welli might had better post this in #2600 but i guess it dont matter much these days
04:26 geert; in this interconnectedworld lol
04:27 geert; j/k anyways.. but i wasnt kidding about the monetary system, red/blue, politics, viertenreich/great reset, crimea etc.
04:27 geert; just a little bit sassy last few lines
04:27 geert; lets see if we get MinceR going a bit as an example
04:27 geert; anyways
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04:53 geert; gtg maybe ttyl :)
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05:52 DaemonFC; We have the Democrats in Illinois causing gridlock again by promoting heavy traffic, only with toll roads and surge pricing instead of freeways.
05:52 DaemonFC; We wouldn't need 8 lanes in every direction and the whole city breathing smog if they'd do work from home from now on.
05:53 DaemonFC; When we had the COVID lockdowns and people were working from home, there was almost no rush hour at all. They were pulling some people over for going 150 miles an hour through Chicago on the freeway just because they could.
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 104.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 116.36
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07:02 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, October 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
07:02 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
07:02 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
07:02 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
07:10 TR News; "LaTeX the age-old typesetting system makes me angry. Not because it's bad. To clarify, not because there's something better." https://jmtd.net/log/latex_writing/ |
07:10 TR Bot; jmtd log Focus writing with (despite) LaTeX
07:10 TR News; "Its time to get me up to speed with modern CSS." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day15/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic
07:10 TR Bot; Day 15: the :modal pseudo-class - Manuel Matuzovi
07:11 TR News; "What I'm documenting here is an extension of the full-bleed CSS Grid layout." https://ryanmulligan.dev/blog/layout-breakouts/ |
07:11 TR Bot; Layout Breakouts with CSS Grid | Ryan Mulligan
07:12 TR News; "Using the shiniest new technologies is rarely the cause for success, it's usually the result." https://www.karlsutt.com/articles/you-should-not-be-using-aws/ |
07:12 TR Bot; You should not be using AWS. Probably.
07:12 TR News; "We have a reasonable number of Linux servers, almost all of them running various versions of Ubuntu." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SwapPartitionsNoMore | Source: uni Toronto
07:12 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SwapPartitionsNoMore
07:12 TR News; "Getting started with a new device management platform is a drag. You have to get familiar with the terminology and the environment." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/14/use-your-phone-as-an-iot-device-in-the-arduino-cloud/ | Source: Arduino
07:12 TR Bot; Use your phone as an IoT device in the Arduino Cloud | Arduino Blog
07:13 TR News; "For reasons Ill discuss later, I only solved the 5-by-5 game, and the situation may be different for the 6-by-6 variant." https://nullprogram.com/blog/2022/10/12/ |
07:13 TR Bot; I solved the Dandelions paper-and-pencil game
07:14 TR News; "Capture cards aren't cheap, especially if you want to record or stream footage at a high resolution and framerate." https://www.pcgamer.com/this-diyer-built-themselves-an-awesome-open-source-hdmi-capture-card-for-only-dollar10/ | Source: PC Gamer
07:14 TR Bot; This DIYer built themselves an awesome open-source HDMI capture card for only $10 | PC Gamer
07:14 TR News; "And that is it. The A3010 appears to be in full working order. Now I just need to find some time to play on it!" https://linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/10/14/acorn-archimedes-a3010-restoration-part-4/ | Source: Andrew Hutchings
07:14 TR Bot; Acorn Archimedes A3010: Restoration Part4 LinuxJedi's /dev/null
07:15 TR News; "You may have noticed that a Raspberry Pi is sold essentially naked." https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/10-amazing-raspberry-pi-cases | Source: Raspberry Pi
07:15 TR Bot; 10 amazing Raspberry Pi cases The MagPi magazine
07:15 TR News; "The guide is aimed at the general public and uses illustrations and examples to help make the topics understandable for all." https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/galician-region-publishes-good-practices-releasing-open-source | Source: Joinup
07:15 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/galician-region-publishes-good-practices-releasing-open-source )
07:15 TR News; "Greg Linares, a security researcher, recently recounted an incident that he said occurred over the summer at a US East Coast financial firm focused on private investment." https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/12/drone-roof-attack/ | Source: The Register UK
07:15 TR Bot; Wi-Fi spy drones used to snoop on financial firm The Register
07:16 TR News; "A year after banning most teenage girls from attending school, the Taliban are imposing sweeping restrictions on which courses women can enrol in at public universities." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63219895 | Source: BBC
07:16 TR Bot; Afghanistan: Taliban ban women from many university subjects - BBC News
07:16 TR News; The Intimate and Interconnected History of the Internet https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/the-history-of-the-internet/ | Source: The Nation
07:16 TR Bot; The Intimate and Interconnected History of the Internet | The Nation
07:18 DaemonFC; WordPress Editor got extremely slow in Firefox.
07:18 DaemonFC; I wonder what it does in Vivaldi.
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress is going the wrong way
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; seems even itsfoss is moving to ghost
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; on news.itsfoss.com
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; many reach the conclusion static page generation is worth it
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; techrights might do the same late this year or next year
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; editor should not be in the browser
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; there are decent editors that are editors
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; not some JS in a canvas
07:21 TR News; "Many presume that troll refers to the ugly monsters who eat people alive" https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll |
07:21 TR Bot; Don't feed the Troll - RationalWiki
07:21 TR News; "A few observations on how technology companies can strategically use open-source from my time working on open-source at Google" https://matt-rickard.com/short-taxonomy-of-open-source-strategies | Source: Matt Rickard
07:21 TR Bot; Short Taxonomy of Open-Source Strategies
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07:22 TR News; "On 6 October 2022, Advocate General (AG) Snchez-Bordona issued his Opinion on CJEU case C-300/21 (UI v. sterreichische Post AG), the first of several preliminary ruling requests on the topic of damages for GDPR violations pending with the CJEU." https://noyb.eu/en/analysis-no-non-material-damages-gdpr | Source: NYOB
07:22 TR Bot; Legal Analysis: No non-material damages for GDPR violations?
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07:23 TR News; "There are many ways to separate a project into two projects" https://blog.josefsson.org/2022/10/14/on-language-bindings-relaunching-guile-gnutls/ | Source: Simon Josefsson
07:23 TR Bot; On language bindings & Relaunching Guile-GnuTLS Simon Josefsson's blog
07:23 TR News; "Konnech has provided its PollChief software to some cities and counties across the country, including Los Angeles County." https://text.npr.org/1129172979 | Source: NPR
07:23 TR Bot; Election software CEO is charged with allegedly giving Chinese contractors data access
07:25 TR News; "This led him to surmise that he was later cut off from LinkedIn due to a complaint from Cloudflare" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/linkedin-kicks-out-infosec-expert,-then-restores-his-profile.html | Source: IT Wire
07:25 TR Bot; - LinkedIn kicks out Infosec expert, then restores his profile
07:26 TR News; "Misinformation Amplification Factor" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3688266-misinformation-most-amplified-on-tiktok-twitter-report/ | Source: The Hill
07:26 TR Bot; Misinformation most amplified on TikTok, Twitter: report | The Hill
07:27 TR News; "Describing the content as AI-generated is, I think, a real stretch." https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/11/steve-jobs-ai/ | Source: 9to5Mac
07:27 TR Bot; Steve Jobs AI features in spooky 'interview' with Joe Rogan AI
07:27 TR News; "Theres absolutely no attempt to pass this off as anything other than the latest exercise in marrying AI with voice synthesis." https://www.afr.com/technology/when-fake-steve-jobs-and-fake-joe-rogan-made-a-podcast-20221012-p5bpas | Source: AFR
07:27 TR Bot; AI-enabled voice synthesis help fake Joe Rogan and fake Steve Jobs make a podcast
07:28 TR News; "The text of PayPal's email sent to the League of Social Democrats in September has been seen by VOA." https://www.voanews.com/a/paypal-terminates-hong-kong-account-of-pro-democracy-group/6789564.html | Source: VOA News
07:28 TR Bot; PayPal Terminates Hong Kong Account of Pro-Democracy Group
07:28 TR News; "Media freedom activists in Uganda have decried President Yoweri Museveni's signing of the Computer Misuse Act into law" https://www.voanews.com/a/uganda-media-activists-say-computer-law-meant-to-silence-government-critics-/6790373.html | Source: VOA News
07:28 TR Bot; Uganda Media Activists Say Computer Law Meant to Silence Government Critics
07:29 TR News; "Chinese social media censors have blocked posts, keywords, and hashtags related to the extremely rare public protest" https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-censors-anti-xi-jinping-protest-ahead-of-communist-party-meet-3433264 | Source: NDTV
07:29 TR Bot; China Censors Anti-Xi Jinping Protest Ahead Of Communist Party Meet
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07:29 TR News; "Parliament adopted the law late on Thursday after it was proposed by President Tayyip Erdogans ruling AK Party (AKP)" https://www.arabnews.com/node/2181276/middle-east | Source: Arab News
07:30 TR Bot; Turkish opposition calls new media law censorship, will appeal to top court | Arab News
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07:32 TR News; "After Germany closed its doors to him, Hassan took his case to the European Court of Human Rights; it, too, recently denied his appeal." https://www.frontpagemag.com/muslim-officials-deny-persecuted-christians-refuge-in-europe/ | Source: Frontpage Magazine
07:32 TR Bot; Muslim Officials Deny Persecuted Christians Refuge in Europe | Frontpage Mag
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07:34 TR News; "Assemble Media, a literary incubator which concurrently develops its book projects for film and TV adaptation" https://variety.com/2022/film/news/assemble-media-five-book-deals-1235404205/ | Source: Variety
07:34 TR Bot; Media Closes Deals for Five Titles - Variety
07:34 TR News; "Well this is perhaps exciting, seems Valve are cooking up something new with a trademark application for NEON PRIME." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/valve-filed-a-computer-game-software-trademark-for-neon-prime/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:34 TR Bot; filed a 'computer game software' trademark for 'NEON PRIME' | GamingOnLinux
07:34 TR News; "Valve released a really small update to Proton Experimental on October 13th, so here's what's new and how to use it." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/proton-experimental-updated-helping-halo-infinite-and-spider-man-remastered/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:34 TR Bot; Experimental updated helping Halo Infinite and Spider-Man Remastered | GamingOnLinux
07:38 TR News; "Are you ready for another Sony game on Steam? The UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection arrives on October 19th, and it's been Steam Deck Verified already." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/uncharted-legacy-of-thieves-collection-gets-steam-deck-verified-ahead-of-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:38 TR Bot; Legacy of Thieves Collection gets Steam Deck Verified ahead of release | GamingOnLinux
07:38 TR News; "Valve has released another small Steam Deck Client Beta update to fix some lingering issues, plus they've announced a Docking Station update is on the way" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/steam-deck-client-beta-updated-plus-official-docking-station-update-coming/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:38 TR Bot; Deck Client Beta updated, plus official Docking Station update coming | GamingOnLinux
07:38 TR News; "After playing with it for a few weeks, here's what I think along with how to set up the M.2 Docking Station for Steam Deck from JSAUX." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/the-jsaux-m2-docking-station-for-steam-deck-is-a-great-choice/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:38 TR Bot; JSAUX M.2 Docking Station for Steam Deck is a great choice | GamingOnLinux
07:39 TR News; iophk: EC pushing m$ gimmicks https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-data/event/webinar-trends-geospatial-data
07:40 TR Bot; Webinar on 'Trends in geospatial data' | Joinup
07:40 TR News; Gulag taking over schools? Terrible. https://record.umich.edu/articles/u-m-partners-with-google-to-offer-job-ready-tech-skills-program/
↺ https://record.umich.edu/articles/u-m-partners-with-google-to-offer-job-ready-tech-skills-program/
07:40 TR Bot; U-M partners with Google to offer job-ready tech skills program | The University Record
07:40 TR News; Why the Internet Needs the InterPlanetary File System - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/10/13/0159206 Source: Soylent News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/10/13/0159206
07:40 TR Bot; Why the Internet Needs the InterPlanetary File System - SoylentNews
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07:48 TR News; It is proprietary, it is vendor lock-in, and it lets Microsoft spy. It ought not be promoted. https://linuxnightly.com/install-visual-studio-code-on-manjaro/
07:48 TR Bot; How to Install Visual Studio Code on Manjaro - Linux Nightly
07:48 TR News; How to Get Started with Shell Scripting in Linux https://www.linuxtechi.com/get-started-shell-scripting-linux/
07:48 TR Bot; How to Get Started with Shell Scripting in Linux
07:49 TR News; "I started my automation journey when I adopted Gentoo Linux as my primary operating system in 2002. Twenty years later, automation is not yet a done deal." https://opensource.com/article/22/10/kubernetes-solve-automation-challenges | Source: OpenSource.com
07:49 TR Bot; Kubernetes help solve automation challenges? | Opensource.com
07:49 TR News; `code here` (NEW): Games: Steam, Proton, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Games_Steam_Proton_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Games_Steam_Proton_and_More.gmi
07:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Steam, Proton, and More
07:49 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.gmi
07:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
07:54 TR News; "It is often important to know how many packages are installed on your computer. You may not know it, but there are many packages installed on your computer" https://vitux.com/how-to-list-installed-packages-on-ubuntu/ | Source: Vitux
07:54 TR Bot; to List Installed Packages on Ubuntu 22.04 - VITUX
07:55 TR News; "The rolling release was coasting along with some smaller snapshots earlier in the week and the latest snapshot updated an enormous amount of packages" https://news.opensuse.org/2022/10/14/plasma-frameworks-kernel-llvm-up-in-tw/ | Source: OpenSUSE
07:55 TR Bot; Plasma, Frameworks, Kernel, LLVM update in Tumbleweed - openSUSE News
07:56 TR News; "In this guide, we are going to learn what is TCP Wrappers" https://ostechnix.com/restrict-access-linux-servers-using-tcp-wrappers/ | Source: OSTechNix
07:56 TR Bot; Access To Linux Servers With TCP Wrappers - OSTechNix
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07:56 TR News; "The Topton FU02 is a fanless Mini PC featuring the Ryzen 3, 5, 7 mobile processors." https://linuxgizmos.com/topton-mini-pc-features-ryzen-4000u-series-processors/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
07:56 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/topton-mini-pc-features-ryzen-4000u-series-processors/ )
07:57 reptilian_thrills; c# in the free software directory (since 2009) https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/WikiAccess_Library
07:57 TR Bot; WikiAccess Library - Free Software Directory
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07:58 schestowitz[TR]; worse yet:
07:58 schestowitz[TR]; c#, windows only, github only
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; with ooxml aupport only
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 68.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 99.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 64.51
07:59 reptilian_thrills; i just removed it from my fork
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; wiki fork of fsd?
08:00 reptilian_thrills; fork of the fsd
08:00 reptilian_thrills; not wiki, cc licensed
08:00 reptilian_thrills; written in gemtext
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; if you kee a diff somewhere,
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; then you have a list of tainted parts in FSD
08:01 reptilian_thrills; yeah, so
08:01 reptilian_thrills; there are roughly 35,000 entries
08:01 reptilian_thrills; including repeats
08:01 reptilian_thrills; about 80% are either on github or belong to the coup
08:01 reptilian_thrills; my removing those, you see whats still faif
08:02 reptilian_thrills; of course ill include information about things they depend on
08:02 reptilian_thrills; the license is a free copyleft license, unlike the fdl-- so im not using the data in the fsd except the urls
08:03 reptilian_thrills; from the urls, i got thousands of webpages.
08:03 reptilian_thrills; from the thousands of webpages i got thousands of webpage titles
08:03 reptilian_thrills; from the thousands of titles i separated things by letter. harder to do that with urls.
08:04 reptilian_thrills; of course its an imperfect system, it becomes increasingly easy to maintain.
08:04 reptilian_thrills; about 7,000 entries divided by 26 letters (plus 0-9)
08:04 TR News; "On October 5, authorities arrested Amiremad (Jadi) Mirmirania blogger and one of Irans leading technologists and digital rights defenders." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/10/stop-persecution-iranian-authorities-must-immediately-release-technologists-and-0 | Source: EFF
08:04 TR Bot; Stop the Persecution: Iranian Authorities Must Immediately Release Technologists and Digital Rights Defenders | Electronic Frontier Foundation
08:04 reptilian_thrills; i dont bother including java
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; now you sound like herr doktor sixel
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; why not java?
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; because.. float?
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; *bloat
08:06 TR News; "Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is one prominent exception." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/most-dems-silent-warren-slams-fed-pushing-us-toward-painful-recession | Source: Common Dreams
08:06 TR Bot; With Most Dems Silent, Warren Slams Fed for Pushing US Toward Painful Recession
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08:10 TR News; "At the 30-year mark, CounterPunch has veered insignificantly from its founding blueprints." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/a-year-of-milestones-for-counterpunch/ | Source: Counter Punch
08:10 TR Bot; Year of Milestones for CounterPunch - CounterPunch.org
08:13 reptilian_thrills; i dont think it needs java
08:13 reptilian_thrills; someone can make a directory of java code that doesnt suck
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; that's not a very formal explanation
08:14 reptilian_thrills; no its not
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; java "sucks"
08:14 reptilian_thrills; i havent used a java program in like a decade
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; it's content-free name-calling
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; lots of programs that run the world use java
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; and I wrote some java also
08:14 reptilian_thrills; name one
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; lots of middleware and "enterprise" stuff
08:14 reptilian_thrills; and I wrote some java also <- is it in the fsd?
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; openfire
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; rssowl
08:15 reptilian_thrills; ah, enterprise stuff.
08:15 reptilian_thrills; openfire <- okay
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; JBoss Enterprise Application Platform
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; runs a TON of things
08:15 reptilian_thrills; github.com/igniterealtime/Openfire <- openfire
08:16 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/
08:16 TR Bot; Ignite Realtime: Openfire Server
08:16 schestowitz[TR]; Downloads 32,169,480
08:16 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/
08:16 TR Bot; Ignite Realtime: Downloads
08:17 reptilian_thrills; RSSOwl does not work with Java 9, but it may still work with Java 8.
08:17 schestowitz[TR]; they offer the jar files from their site
08:17 schestowitz[TR]; e.g. https://www.igniterealtime.org/downloadServlet?filename=whack/whack_2_0_1.jar
08:17 reptilian_thrills; Downloads 32,169,480 <- youre missing the point, the fork doesnt list things that are developed on github.
08:17 reptilian_thrills; rssowl is on github and sf, im comparing dates now.
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; https://discourse.igniterealtime.org/
08:18 TR Bot; Ignite Realtime Community Forums
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; theya re not so shithub-dependent
08:19 reptilian_thrills; rssowl is developed on github
08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:20 reptilian_thrills; the only thing that gets by are mirrors (no prs)
08:20 reptilian_thrills; true mirrors
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; that typically predates microsoft
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; oh, github seems to have added lots of JS
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08:20 schestowitz[TR]; a lot off stuff does not work
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; even with JS on
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; using the 'wrong' browser
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; such as falkon
08:20 reptilian_thrills; yeah ive been lenient on projects that last updated before 2018.
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; it's becoming another gitlab
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; accessibility no-go
08:21 reptilian_thrills; RSSOwl does not work with Java 9, but it may still work with Java 8.
08:21 reptilian_thrills; so it says-- idk
08:22 reptilian_thrills; and I wrote some java also <- is it in the fsd?
08:22 schestowitz[TR]; no
08:22 reptilian_thrills; ^ if its not in the fsd then its not removed from the fork
08:22 reptilian_thrills; so its moot
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08:23 schestowitz[TR]; my siblings do a lot of java and c++
08:23 schestowitz[TR]; java is very widely used
08:23 reptilian_thrills; Red Hat JBoss Enterprise Application Platform <-
08:23 schestowitz[TR]; but if you ran some apache sites, you won't reealise that
08:23 schestowitz[TR]; or some gnu/linux desktop
08:23 schestowitz[TR]; not much java there
08:23 reptilian_thrills; so jboss is red hat?
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; yes, duh
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; they bought jboss ages ago
08:24 reptilian_thrills; why would i consider ibm free?
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; oracle does a lot of java
08:24 reptilian_thrills; ibm tanked the fsf.
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; even prior to buying sun
08:24 reptilian_thrills; they stabbed it to death like julius caesar
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; ibm is everywhere
08:24 reptilian_thrills; i dont care
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; esp. former [sic] staff
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; it's the grandpa os us computing
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; *of
08:24 reptilian_thrills; they can all go to hell
08:25 schestowitz[TR]; ibm is massive
08:25 schestowitz[TR]; the former element
08:25 schestowitz[TR]; they were like 3 times bigger than microsoft
08:25 reptilian_thrills; figures, but
08:25 schestowitz[TR]; a decade ago their market cap was also bigger than microsoft's
08:25 reptilian_thrills; its basically microsoft already owns github anyway
08:25 schestowitz[TR]; ibm triggers a lot of anger
08:25 reptilian_thrills; since microsoft is merely one of ibms avatars
08:25 schestowitz[TR]; when it threw away 2 decades of good will
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; in just 2 years
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; *goodwill
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; it's not the FSF
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; or GNU
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; it's a lot of other stuff
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; centos is one of several
08:26 reptilian_thrills; 2 decades of good will <- in just 2 years <- heres another theory
08:26 reptilian_thrills; they spent 2 decades moving the chess pieces
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; it's true though
08:26 reptilian_thrills; then made their move
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; they used to be on our side with opendocument
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; and they were quick to adopt linus
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; and hire many kernel devs
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; and give some good things to linus
08:27 reptilian_thrills; ibm read the halloween docs
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; in the late 90s onwards
08:27 reptilian_thrills; they must have implemented their own version of them
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; icbm used the community to get ahead faster
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; and it worked
08:27 reptilian_thrills; they used to be on our side <- maybe they were only infiltrating
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; but now they outsource to shithub, work with gafam, and slander us
08:27 reptilian_thrills; used the community <- bingo
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; like community is some bunch of pedos
08:27 reptilian_thrills; but now they outsource to shithub, work with gafam <- giafam
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; move over, rms, we'll take it from here
08:28 reptilian_thrills; we'll take it from here <- s/it/gcc/
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; giafam could aldo be i for intel
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; not just gcc
08:28 reptilian_thrills; gdb too
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> ICBM and Microsoft are attacking GNU via 'Linux' Foundation https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-Toolchain-Leaders-LF-IT
08:28 TR Bot; Toolchain Leaders Support Moving Their Infrastructure Under The Linux Foundation - Phoronix
08:28 reptilian_thrills; systemd-gnud
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Facilitating a Hostile Takeover by Corporations (Privatising Free Software) http://techrights.org/2022/09/29/video-on-sourceware/
08:28 TR Bot; Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Facilitating a Hostile Takeover by Corporations (Privatising Free Software) | Techrights
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> Linux Foundation is not about Linux but about proprietary software companies swallowing everything, with the brand "Linux" used as a decoy http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
08:28 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Techrights
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> "Does this have any technical or logistic meaning for users or developers? Or is it just a principle thing?" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1352237-gnu-toolchain-leaders-support-moving-their-infrastructure-under-the-linux-foundation
08:28 reptilian_thrills; pronounced guh-nude
08:28 TR Bot; Toolchain Leaders Support Moving Their Infrastructure Under The Linux Foundation - Phoronix Forums
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> FSF says almost nothing this year. Paralysed. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/recent-blog-posts
08:28 TR Bot; FSF blogs Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
08:28 reptilian_thrills; of guh-nudie
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> Not even 12 months passed since ICBM expressed intent to buy Red Hat and as Bill Gates/Jeffrey Epstein scandal surfaced the attack on RMS and FSF began, led by many Red Hat staff http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/
08:28 TR Bot; Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> "7 work for Red Hat, owned by the FSFs largest publicly known sponsor" http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/
08:29 reptilian_thrills; or
08:29 TR Bot; Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> ICBM is a big pile of lies http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
08:29 TR Bot; IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> ICBM is also racist in 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
08:29 TR Bot; Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
08:29 reptilian_thrills; gcc is the most important thing
08:29 reptilian_thrills; what are you going to compile gnu with
08:29 reptilian_thrills; clang?
08:29 reptilian_thrills; ibm wants gcc
08:30 reptilian_thrills; and the gnu.fools are in on that
08:30 reptilian_thrills; ibm.fools
08:30 reptilian_thrills; giant nazi undermining
08:31 reptilian_thrills; the gnu.fools had a whole list of alternative gnu acronyms
08:31 reptilian_thrills; oliva had a list of parodies
08:31 reptilian_thrills; of their list
08:31 reptilian_thrills; gnus now underminer
08:31 reptilian_thrills; undermined
08:32 reptilian_thrills; name an important java program that isnt github based
08:32 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, was distracted in another channel
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; jboss
08:33 reptilian_thrills; jboss is on github
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; primary repo?
08:33 reptilian_thrills; idk where the "official" repo is
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; doubt it
08:33 reptilian_thrills; im checking
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; jboss predates github
08:33 TR News; (NEW): This week in KDE: QA pays off http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/This_week_in_KDE_QA_pays_off.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/This_week_in_KDE_QA_pays_off.gmi
08:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines This week in KDE: QA pays off
08:33 reptilian_thrills; doesnt mention mirrors https://github.com/jboss/
08:33 TR Bot; GitHub
08:33 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Leftovers.gmi
08:34 reptilian_thrills; jboss predates github <- so does python and php, which moved there
08:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
08:34 reptilian_thrills; so do java and perl, which moved there
08:34 reptilian_thrills; all of which are more important than jboss imo
08:34 reptilian_thrills; the world would be okay without ibm
08:34 reptilian_thrills; if anything it would be better off
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08:35 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.php.net/downloads
08:35 TR Bot; PHP: Downloads
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.php.net/releases/
08:35 TR Bot; PHP: Releases
08:35 reptilian_thrills; downloads are not where things are developed
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.php.net/manual/en/
08:36 TR Bot; PHP: PHP Manual - Manual
08:36 reptilian_thrills; the problem is that microsoft has a monopoly on development
08:36 reptilian_thrills; https://www.php.net/manual/en/ <- /me tries to run the manual, sets it to +x
08:37 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%253A//www.cnn.com/2022/10/14/health/flu-season-concern/index.html
08:37 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
08:37 reptilian_thrills; https://www.php.net/ Please carefully test this version and report any issues found in the bug reporting system. <- points to https://github.com/php/php-src/issues
08:37 TR Bot; PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
08:37 TR Bot; php/php-src GitHub
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81727
08:37 TR Bot; PHP :: Sec Bug #81727 :: $_COOKIE names string replacement (. -> _): cookie integrity vulnerabilities
08:37 DaemonFC; LOL....1.32 MB on CNN just for the HTML.
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; http://bugs.php.net/81727
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, biab
08:38 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/php/php-src/pulls <- 239 Open 8,546 Closed
08:38 TR Bot; requests php/php-src GitHub
08:38 reptilian_thrills; anyway, biab <- in other words youve got nothing
08:38 reptilian_thrills; i mean for all i know you have a conference call, but its invariably your response when someone has an endless supply of answers and you dont
08:39 reptilian_thrills; i didnt come here to win, but to disseminate anyway
08:39 reptilian_thrills; i dont give a shit about winning
08:39 reptilian_thrills; the house wins, because it makes the rules
08:39 reptilian_thrills; but the rules are silly
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; don't want to get intoa afight with you
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; but many projects have internal fights
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; iunc. kernel
08:40 reptilian_thrills; microsoft lf kernel
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; 2 weeks ago linus fought over mailing lists vs bugzilla
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; the same is true in pythhon and apache
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; the compromise is usually "both supported"
08:40 reptilian_thrills; wheres the fight over github?
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; so they have internal and external/ outsourced tracking
08:40 reptilian_thrills; the compromise is usually "both supported" <- which pretty much inevitably means it moves to github
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; so people who don't use microsoft can still contribute
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; bbl
08:40 reptilian_thrills; yeah they can be second-class citizens
08:41 reptilian_thrills; bbl <- have fun
08:41 reptilian_thrills; they can be second-class citizens <- they wont have any idea whats happening to the project, but theyll be allowed to send patches
08:41 TR News; </ul>
08:41 reptilian_thrills; "both supported" <- divide and conquer
08:41 TR News; Microsoft systemd, not "Ubuntu" https://thestack.technology/azure-kubernetes-outage-ubuntu-dns/
08:41 TR Bot; Bad Ubuntu update causes global Azure Kubernetes outage
08:42 reptilian_thrills; no one ever got fired for moving to microsoft github
08:42 reptilian_thrills; and i didnt migrate to free software just so ibm and microsoft could have a monopoly on it
08:45 TR News; Nazification https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-nazification-of-american-society-and-the-scourge-of-violence/ | Source: Counter Punch
08:45 TR Bot; Nazification of American Society and the Scourge of Violence - CounterPunch.org
08:45 reptilian_thrills; but gcc is a keystone
08:45 reptilian_thrills; ibm goes after that they know the rest falls
08:45 TR News; Criminalizing Journalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/criminalizing-journalism/ | Source: Counter Punch
08:45 TR Bot; Journalism - CounterPunch.org
08:45 reptilian_thrills; what are you going to compile gnu with? ibm gcc
08:46 TR News; Asa Winstanley https://thedissenter.org/unauthorized-disclosure-asa-winstanley/ | Source: The Dissenter
08:46 TR Bot; Unauthorized Disclosure: Guest Asa Winstanley
08:46 reptilian_thrills; watch them move it to github and use a cla
08:46 TR News; "Going back many, many years, weve argued that paywalls are not a particularly sustainable model for most journalism enterprises." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/chicago-sun-times-kills-its-paywall-makes-its-content-free-for-everyone/ | Source: Techdirt
08:46 TR Bot; Sun-Times Kills Its Paywall; Makes Its Content Free For Everyone | Techdirt
08:46 reptilian_thrills; gnu will resist, it wont matter
08:46 TR News; Publisher Wiley Lets Libraries Offer eTextbooks Again But Only For Nine Months https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/publisher-wiley-lets-libraries-offer-etextbooks-again-but-only-for-nine-months/ | Source: Techdirt
08:46 TR Bot; Wiley Lets Libraries Offer eTextbooks Again But Only For Nine Months | Techdirt
08:47 reptilian_thrills; ibm already literally owns the gcc repo
08:47 reptilian_thrills; gnu.fools will dilute the trademark so they can do what they want with that
08:47 TR News; SLAPP https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/john-stossel-loses-his-pathetic-slapp-suit-against-facebook-and-fact-checkers/ | Source: Techdirt
08:47 TR Bot; Stossel Loses His Pathetic SLAPP Suit Against Facebook And Fact Checkers | Techdirt
08:48 reptilian_thrills; they have like 3 or more different hooks in gcc already
08:48 reptilian_thrills; all they have to do is pull
08:48 reptilian_thrills; slowly reel it in
08:48 reptilian_thrills; already happening
08:48 TR News; Sanders on monopolies. Bailout Biden won't do anything, he openly mocked Sanders to signal his blind loyalty to the plutocrats. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/sanders-says-biden-admin-must-reject-merger-kroger-and-albertsons | Source: Common Dreams
08:48 TR Bot; Sanders Says Biden Admin 'Must Reject' Merger of Kroger and Albertsons
08:49 reptilian_thrills; fsf has their thumb in their arse
08:49 reptilian_thrills; scam artists
08:49 reptilian_thrills; free sweatshop foundation
08:49 TR News; "Thursdays final hearing of the January 6 committee is a segue to the criminal case that federal prosecutors are piecing together" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/14/criminal-case-against-donald-j-trump-has-been-established-will-garland-act | Source: Common Dreams
08:49 TR Bot; Opinion | The Criminal Case Against Donald J. Trump Has Been Established, But Will the Garland Act? | Robert Reich
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08:49 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware: DIY, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Open_Hardware_DIY_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Open_Hardware_DIY_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.gmi
08:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware: DIY, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino
08:49 reptilian_thrills; work for ibm for free! give us money to promote the open source scam (but call it "free software")
08:50 reptilian_thrills; buy a tshirt so ibm can exploit free labour
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> <techrights-news> FSF says almost nothing this year. Paralysed. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/recent-blog-posts
08:51 TR Bot; FSF blogs Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; post-trauma
08:52 reptilian_thrills; oh cmon
08:52 TR News; "Were sharing the fourth evaluation report on projects in our Gender Balance in Computing research programme today" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/gender-balance-in-computing-sense-of-belonging/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
08:52 TR Bot; Girls' sense of belonging in the Computing classroom: Study results - Raspberry Pi
08:52 reptilian_thrills; rms maybe-- all of them?
08:52 reptilian_thrills; ridiculous
08:52 reptilian_thrills; "sorry ukraine, the entire army has ptsd"
08:52 reptilian_thrills; what are the odds
08:53 TR News; FBI https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/hundreds-of-fbi-employees-are-simply-walking-away-from-misconduct-charges/ | Source: Techdirt
08:53 TR Bot; Of FBI Employees Are Simply Walking Away From Misconduct Charges | Techdirt
08:53 TR News; "The Los Angeles Sheriffs Department has been problematic pretty much ever since its inception." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/los-angeles-sheriffs-department-goes-completely-rogue-blocks-inspector-generals-access-to-files-facilities/ | Source: Techdirt
08:53 TR Bot; Angeles Sheriffs Department Goes Completely Rogue, Blocks Inspector Generals Access To Files, Facilities | Techdirt
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08:54 schestowitz[TR]; rms is the chief
08:54 reptilian_thrills; i suppose post-trauma is why in early 2022 they were caving to demands johnua gay talked about the same week
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; demoralised chief, deemoralised operations
08:54 reptilian_thrills; rms is the chief <- not since 2011/2014
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; he is still the echief
08:54 reptilian_thrills; he lets duix run the show now
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; directly and indirectly
08:54 reptilian_thrills; in name only
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; so who is the chief then?
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; tell me
08:55 DaemonFC; The January 6th committee is going to accomplish basically, a hell of a lot of nothing.
08:56 DaemonFC; Joe Biden has done such an awful job as president that it's all anyone cares about right now.
08:56 TR News; Seattle Times, which took bribes from Famous Criminal Bill Gates https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/13/seattle-times-brands-complain-over-senate-campaign-ad-that-is-clearly-protected-speech/ | Source: Techdirt
08:56 TR Bot; Times, Brands Complain Over Senate Campaign Ad That Is Clearly Protected Speech | Techdirt
08:56 DaemonFC; Every day he figures out something to make it even worse.
08:56 TR News; Masnick's site, after bagging Koch money, still an apologist for US monopolists at times. Very disappointing. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/in-eu-and-us-big-telecom-desperately-wants-big-tech-to-pay-it-billions-of-dollars-for-no-coherent-reason/ | Source: Techdirt
08:56 TR Bot; EU And US, Big Telecom Desperately Wants Big Tech To Pay It Billions Of Dollars For No Coherent Reason | Techdirt
08:58 reptilian_thrills; so who is the chief then? <- there isnt one
08:58 reptilian_thrills; its not that i dont think rms has the right
08:59 TR News; Wealth Tax https://truthout.org/articles/a-wealth-tax-on-the-0-25-percent-could-fund-bidens-entire-student-debt-plan/ | Source: TruthOut
08:59 TR Bot; A Wealth Tax on the 0.25 Percent Could Fund Bidens Entire Student Debt Plan
08:59 reptilian_thrills; its that 1. he doesnt use his authority 2. they clearly do not recognise it
08:59 reptilian_thrills; i cant do anything about either of those
08:59 reptilian_thrills; but im not going to pretend hes in power, he clearly is not
09:00 reptilian_thrills; duix runs gnu
09:00 TR News; Most Americans Back Reforms to Make Voting Easier https://truthout.org/articles/most-americans-back-reforms-to-make-voting-easier-poll-shows/ | Source: TruthOut
09:00 TR Bot; Most Americans Back Reforms to Make Voting Easier, Poll Shows
09:00 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 128.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 35.36
09:00 reptilian_thrills; you may not see it, thats not my problem
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; duix?
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09:00 reptilian_thrills; its not pronounced "deex"
09:01 reptilian_thrills; this is a whole lot easier than "mac asay"
09:01 reptilian_thrills; i knew of matt asay before that started
09:01 reptilian_thrills; and i still wasnt sure you meant him
09:01 reptilian_thrills; or what he had to do with macs
09:02 TR News; Marijuana: Biden's election strategy is, vote Dems because "smoke weed every day" (while the country collapses) https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/bidens-marijuana-pardons-are-a-seismic-shift/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:02 TR Bot; Marijuana Pardons are a Seismic Shift - CounterPunch.org
09:05 TR News; "And the storyline for The US and the Holocaust can be succinctly summed up this way..." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/259488/ | Source: Counter Punch http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/
09:05 TR Bot; the People Did Next To Nothing - CounterPunch.org
09:05 TR Bot; Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights
09:05 TR News; Can the Fed Control Inflation With Just Rate Hikes? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/can-the-fed-control-inflation-with-just-rate-hikes/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:05 TR Bot; the Fed Control Inflation With Just Rate Hikes? - CounterPunch.org
09:05 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> so who is the chief then <- who is the chief of the beothuk indians?
09:06 reptilian_thrills; fun fact, the fsf had (may even still have) more members than the beothuk tribe had
09:06 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/
09:06 TR Bot; Free Software Foundation reveals how RMS was re-elected and its future | ZDNET
09:06 schestowitz[TR]; SJVN
09:06 schestowitz[TR]; anti-FSF
09:06 schestowitz[TR]; paid by LF
09:06 reptilian_thrills; fsf is anti-fsf
09:06 schestowitz[TR]; LF is helping the coup
09:07 reptilian_thrills; https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/ <- is this new?
09:07 reptilian_thrills; LF is helping the coup <- lf is open source
09:07 reptilian_thrills; open source is the bloody coup
09:07 reptilian_thrills; The Coup is part of the coup
09:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.fsf.org/news/statement-of-fsf-board-on-election-of-richard-stallman
09:07 schestowitz[TR]; "We decided to bring RMS back because we missed his wisdom. His historical, legal and technical acumen on free software is unrivaled. He has a deep sensitivity to the ways that technologies can contribute to both the enhancement and the diminution of basic human rights. His global network of connections is invaluable. He remains the most articulate philosopher and an unquestionably dedicated advocate of freedom in computing.
09:07 TR Bot; Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
09:07 schestowitz[TR]; "
09:07 reptilian_thrills; the coup is open source
09:07 schestowitz[TR]; RMS is in charge
09:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://octave.discourse.group/t/rms-back-on-the-fsf-board/974
09:07 reptilian_thrills; RMS is in charge <- of what
09:07 TR Bot; RMS back on the FSF board - community - GNU Octave
09:08 reptilian_thrills; on-the-fsf-board <- i believe mjg can still vote on the board
09:08 reptilian_thrills; this is what i thought i heard, i could be mistaken
09:08 schestowitz[TR]; no
09:08 schestowitz[TR]; coup plotters ousted
09:08 reptilian_thrills; ive been trying to
09:08 schestowitz[TR]; and walsh left
09:08 reptilian_thrills; "ousted"
09:08 schestowitz[TR]; i know someone who wet her [sic]
09:08 reptilian_thrills; ive been trying to figure out the "hidden board" for years
09:09 schestowitz[TR]; mattl is out
09:09 reptilian_thrills; i know someone who wet her <- wet-ever
09:09 schestowitz[TR]; many who plotted to remove the founder
09:09 reptilian_thrills; many who plotted to remove the founder <- still getting their wishlist checked off in 2022
09:09 schestowitz[TR]; now she is in CC
09:09 reptilian_thrills; she was already in cc
09:09 schestowitz[TR]; which is part of the coup
09:09 schestowitz[TR]; along with total weirdoes
09:09 reptilian_thrills; yes, cc is part of the coup
09:09 schestowitz[TR]; who also attack SF
09:09 schestowitz[TR]; CC turned its back on its inception
09:09 reptilian_thrills; along with total weirdoes <- not sure which groups youre being prudish about here
09:10 reptilian_thrills; CC turned its back on its inception <- cc has been pretty useless most of its existence, like osi.
09:10 schestowitz[TR]; and is not just sitting there doing notjing
09:10 schestowitz[TR]; sort of like eff and mozilla
09:10 reptilian_thrills; eff mozilla.
09:10 schestowitz[TR]; pandering to oligarchs is no recipe for success
09:10 reptilian_thrills; eff eff too
09:10 schestowitz[TR]; they just use you temporarily and toss you away
09:10 reptilian_thrills; is no recipe for success <- oh it is, unless your real job is to fight the status quo
09:10 reptilian_thrills; they just use you temporarily and toss you away <- yep
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; like spamnil
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; when tfir was still muktware
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; or themusk
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; themut
09:11 reptilian_thrills; https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/ <- is this new?
09:11 TR Bot; Free Software Foundation reveals how RMS was re-elected and its future | ZDNET
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; he did get some traffic
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; not it's like 95% clickfraud
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; and pretending
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; and many people loathe him
09:11 reptilian_thrills; i disliked sjvn when you were still defending him
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; i saw jim salter at ars
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; he too sort of attacked rms
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; for conde nast
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; which employed "drpizza"
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; the penetration tester of microsoft
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; jim salter was discarded too
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; btw
09:12 reptilian_thrills; rofll
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; https://arstechnica.com/author/jimsalter/
09:12 TR Bot; Jim Salter | Ars Technica
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; no article in 12 months
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; they must have canned him
09:12 reptilian_thrills; only one Salt in the anti-rms letter fwiw
09:12 schestowitz[TR]; maybe he did not lie enoughj
09:12 reptilian_thrills; maybe he was busy when they were passing it around
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; last article 11/11 last year
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; "JIM SALTER /
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; FORMER TECHNOLOGY REPORTER"
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; FORMER
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; he did not last long
09:13 reptilian_thrills; the beothuk indians dont have a chief because they no longer exist
09:13 reptilian_thrills; no tribe, no chief
09:14 reptilian_thrills; if the gnu project is fighting they are VERY stealthy
09:14 reptilian_thrills; practically invisible
09:14 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I was never a voting member in that sense
09:14 reptilian_thrills; mjg59_ ah, ok
09:14 mjg59_; Leaving did not result in me having any voting rights
09:15 reptilian_thrills; there does seem to be a hidden board though
09:15 reptilian_thrills; so many people who were there who can vote
09:15 reptilian_thrills; but idk much about it
09:15 reptilian_thrills; its entirely possible ive been misled, im not sure how id go about fixing that
09:15 reptilian_thrills; plus if it was deliberate thats a hoot because it opens up so many new possibilities :)
09:15 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D729.jpg
09:16 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D384.jpg
09:16 TR News; "I love Smol Pub, I really do; it's simple and clean and friendly and has great users. But over time I've decided I'd rather just keep my gemlog on my capsule. So I'm moving over there." gemini://november.smol.pub/moving
09:16 reptilian_thrills; but honestly getting a handle on wtf the fsf doing is like trying to grasp a fart
09:17 TR News; "social media improvement ideas" gemini://sol.cities.yesterweb.org/stream.gmi
09:17 reptilian_thrills; its a power vacuum dressed up as an organisation
09:17 reptilian_thrills; much like iraq was after saddam was captured
09:18 TR News; How I became a Contemplative Hacker gemini://khanti.smol.pub/how-i-became
09:18 reptilian_thrills; dressed up as a country
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 TR News; crypto [sic] currency [sic] https://fair.org/home/ahmad-abuznaid-on-israeli-human-rights-crackdown-sohale-mortazavi-on-cryptocurrency/ | Source: FAIR
09:20 TR Bot; Ahmad Abuznaid on Israeli Human Rights Crackdown, Sohale Mortazavi on Cryptocurrency - FAIR
09:21 TR News; "Janine Jackson interviewed Jacobins John Logan about Amazon and Starbucks organizing for the October 7, 2022, episode of CounterSpin." https://fair.org/home/people-are-taking-inspiration-from-union-victories-at-amazon-and-starbucks/ | Source: FAIR
09:21 TR Bot; 'People Are Taking Inspiration From Union Victories at Amazon andStarbucks' - FAIR
09:21 reptilian_thrills; true good news never comes out of there anymore
09:22 reptilian_thrills; just marketing and rule changes which imo are negative on the whole
09:23 reptilian_thrills; their anti-whistleblower policy isnt a cure, its a symptom
09:24 reptilian_thrills; well, i tried not to give zdnet any clicks but i guess if i want to know, i have little choice
09:30 reptilian_thrills; "Some board members, besides Knauth, are planning to leave the FSF board." <- that certainly dates it a bit
09:31 reptilian_thrills; The GNU Project itself, while still organizationally tied to the FSF, is no longer largely financially supported by the FSF. Instead, its work is \"done mainly by volunteers and the Foundation mostly promotes free/libre software in other ways. The GCC Steering Committee has removed RMS from its membership.
09:31 reptilian_thrills; ibm gcc
09:31 reptilian_thrills; and ibm.fools
09:32 reptilian_thrills; the FSF also noted that the charity rating organization Charity Navigator recently gave the FSF its eighth consecutive four-star rating <- meaningless imo
09:32 reptilian_thrills; the rating is based on how they spend their money
09:32 reptilian_thrills; not where it comes from
09:32 reptilian_thrills; as long as they spend it on free software theyre going to have a good rating
09:33 reptilian_thrills; so no buying a big table covered in cocaine, not that they had any plans to
09:33 reptilian_thrills; ive seen large orgs buy luxurious offices for their leaders etc
09:33 reptilian_thrills; they cant live there but they can live it up while theyre at work
09:34 reptilian_thrills; fsf doesnt do that, so they get a good rating
09:34 reptilian_thrills; meanwhile they get taken over by ibm, and it doesnt change the rating
09:35 reptilian_thrills; charity navigator just goes in circles
09:35 reptilian_thrills; chasting its tail
09:35 reptilian_thrills; or chasing. or cheating. or typing, or something
09:36 reptilian_thrills; As for Stallman? He's remained quiet since rejoining the FSF board. <- thats true
09:36 reptilian_thrills; How long he'll continue to keep a low profile remains to be seen. <- permanently
09:37 reptilian_thrills; sjvn should kill himself
09:37 DaemonFC; My kosher dills are coming along nicely.
09:37 reptilian_thrills; hes that good of a journalist
09:38 reptilian_thrills; i suppose if he were a doctor people would find organs he kept as souveneirs
09:39 reptilian_thrills; if he were a chef he would be the sort that urinates in the food (taken from a new story)
09:39 reptilian_thrills; if he knew anything about computers, he would work for ibm.
09:39 reptilian_thrills; who are we kidding, he does work for ibm.
09:40 reptilian_thrills; Openfire (previously known as Wildfire, and Jive Messenger) is an instant messaging (IM) and groupchat server for the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) <- oh great
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09:40 reptilian_thrills; so eventually theyll do to xmpp what the industry did to html
09:41 reptilian_thrills; The project lead is Dave Cridland.
09:42 TR News; "She's the decisive vote we need to close the digital divide, lower the cost of broadband, and hold companies like Comcast and AT&T accountable." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/240-groups-push-senate-defy-telecom-attacks-and-confirm-biden-fcc-pick | Source: Common Dreams
09:42 TR Bot; 240+ Groups Push Senate to Defy Telecom Attacks and Confirm Biden FCC Pick
09:43 reptilian_thrills; anyway, removing java is an experiment
09:44 reptilian_thrills; its not like java couldnt simply be put back in
09:44 reptilian_thrills; not that i have any intention of doing so
09:44 reptilian_thrills; im tempted to remove perl and python, but that raises an important question
09:44 reptilian_thrills; if i remove those, what would be left?
09:44 reptilian_thrills; just shell scripts?
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; right
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; but that reminded me of herr sixel
09:45 reptilian_thrills; well, he actually helped inspire this fork
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; where criteria are informal
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; and based on ggut feelings
09:45 reptilian_thrills; its mostly based on strict criteria
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; you might end up with a bsd-based alpine
09:45 reptilian_thrills; he went overboard on gut feelings
09:46 reptilian_thrills; you might end up with a bsd-based alpine <- i can think of worse things.
09:46 reptilian_thrills; dr sixel is nuts and is trying to build with software what hitler wanted to build with politics and war
09:47 reptilian_thrills; but id be thrilled if baph os becomes really great software
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09:47 reptilian_thrills; even though he will never release any of it
09:48 reptilian_thrills; its a pure rhetorical device for him. this project actually does more than that
09:48 reptilian_thrills; granted-- not a lot!
09:48 reptilian_thrills; i had a gihub radar and nothing moved off github
09:48 reptilian_thrills; then i build a more elaborate radar from the gnu project
09:49 reptilian_thrills; this is just a radar scaled up from hundreds to tens of thousands
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; that radar is still there
09:49 reptilian_thrills; mostly it lets me watch github
09:49 reptilian_thrills; that radar is still there <- obsolete
09:49 reptilian_thrills; mine is better
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; the way I see the issue is like this
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; each day we have x new projects
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; and we have y existing projects
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; i spent hours in vain,
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; trying tio find ANY journalism on git market share
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; or change control systemd in general
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; in vain!
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; let's say y stays as is
09:50 reptilian_thrills; mmhmm
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; and among y, many are abandoned
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; no development anymore
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; so we need to jusge x
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; but nobody does the work
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; no journalism
09:51 reptilian_thrills; journalists are shills
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; yes, they are now
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; like sjvn
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; he used to do very good work
09:51 reptilian_thrills; meh
09:51 reptilian_thrills; he worked for open source always
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; to be fair to mjg59_ I greatly respected his work on cpi
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; and how he lashed out at companis that stood in his way
09:52 reptilian_thrills; i dont know his work on cpi
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; *aacpi
09:52 reptilian_thrills; oh acpi
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; back then many laptops stiill had issues
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; to the point where I rejected laptopsa
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; and chose desktops
09:52 reptilian_thrills; i dont know what im talking about here, thats as good a disclaimer as any
09:53 reptilian_thrills; but based on shuttleworths description of acpi
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; thre was a site,
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; linuxlaptops iirc
09:53 reptilian_thrills; his work on acpi and his work on uefi arent that different
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; or linux on laptops
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; with howtos to help get them working
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; nowadaysd almost any laptop picks up a gnu/linux diustro ok
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; inc. wifi
09:53 reptilian_thrills; (for better or worse) <- and for consistency it should be said for worse
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; no, they are different
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds too was ok with acpi
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; not 'secure boot'
09:54 reptilian_thrills; torvalds is useless
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft'\s LP openly mocked ;'secure boot'
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; you quopted him
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; and I hadn't noticed before you did so
09:54 reptilian_thrills; i take mjg more seriously than torvalds
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds gave a talk a few weeks back
09:55 reptilian_thrills; ill listen to mjgs opinions-- i dont trust him, ill generally take ariadne or leah over anything he says
09:55 schestowitz[TR]; he changes his positions tro suit the employer
09:55 reptilian_thrills; if torvalds tries to tell me anything (he wont) ill just tell him to go the fuck home
09:55 reptilian_thrills; his opinions are meaningless
09:56 reptilian_thrills; hes a puppet at this point, ill ask him which laundry soap to use sure
09:57 reptilian_thrills; i dont even care what he thinks about git
09:57 reptilian_thrills; i dont care about git at all
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; git will be passe
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; but not sure when
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; and what will replace it
09:57 reptilian_thrills; network effects
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; seems gitlab and github both do damage
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; they 'extend' git
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; and then people start to associate git with bloated web uis
09:58 reptilian_thrills; theyre silos
09:58 reptilian_thrills; theyre doing to git what facebook did to websites
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; right
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; good analogy
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress does the same
09:58 reptilian_thrills; yeah, fucking wordpress
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress even uses some FB crap
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; like ractJS iirc
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; *react.js
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; this was mentioned earlier in the context of editors
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; I have many good editors
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; I don't need some JS shit running ina canvass
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; it's heavy, not secure, not reliable
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; easy to lose your work
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; last year rianne and I passed all our text ediing to an external file server
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; harder to lose data this way
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; and there are 3 layers of failsafe
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; on the web, none
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; browser crashes, work lost
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; if wordpress did auto-save, maybe
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; but that led to other issues
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; like the other month I overrode a previous post of mine
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; after machine crash
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress added the version control and auto0-save fuctnionality when I was still involved in the project
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; but that causes other issues
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; like in techrights,
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; we have about 34k posts
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; but the db holds about 170k posts
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; because of versions
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; so backup dumps become a lot bigger
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; I can remove those "drafts"
10:02 schestowitz[TR]; but I want drafts
10:02 schestowitz[TR]; just noit inm a fucking database!!!
10:02 reptilian_thrills; sure, why not
10:02 schestowitz[TR]; and not one that every 24 hours gets dumped in full
10:02 schestowitz[TR]; causing temporary site access issues
10:02 schestowitz[TR]; due to the database locking up for data integrity
10:03 schestowitz[TR]; the term for this is "over-engineering"
10:03 reptilian_thrills; yep
10:03 reptilian_thrills; phbs loves it
10:03 schestowitz[TR]; they don't get it
10:03 reptilian_thrills; they get to brag how x as y and z
10:03 schestowitz[TR]; they want to keep people "busy"
10:03 schestowitz[TR]; so they keep "improving" things that already work
10:04 reptilian_thrills; and then x, which is needed, becomes the red-headed stepchild to shiny unnecessary bullsht
10:04 reptilian_thrills; yep
10:04 schestowitz[TR]; it's why many sites get so bloated
10:04 schestowitz[TR]; and have new bugs
10:04 reptilian_thrills; software too
10:04 schestowitz[TR]; sites are software
10:04 reptilian_thrills; yep
10:04 schestowitz[TR]; they used to be not software
10:04 schestowitz[TR]; but now they are code
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10:04 reptilian_thrills; but they get bloated faster
10:04 schestowitz[TR]; red hat sites are increasingly a pile of JS
10:05 schestowitz[TR]; and they deny you access
10:05 schestowitz[TR]; even if you run the JS using the 'wrong' browser
10:05 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> LOL....1.32 MB on CNN just for the HTML.
10:05 schestowitz[TR]; 1.32MB
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10:06 reptilian_thrills; yeah once you start mediating, youll start deciding which browsers are worth your time to support
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; I could upload a 10,000x10,000 pixel JPEG at 1.32MB
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; with coarse wavelets
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; or 123 small but decent webp photos
10:07 schestowitz[TR]; yesterday I advocated falkon again
10:07 schestowitz[TR]; dfc does not use it maybe because ./... qt
10:07 schestowitz[TR]; he seems to go for the gnome things
10:07 reptilian_thrills; youre out of your falkon mind
10:07 reptilian_thrills; ^ had to be said
10:07 schestowitz[TR]; I've used it since the start
10:07 schestowitz[TR]; when it was "rekonq"
10:07 schestowitz[TR]; more than ten years ago
10:07 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, dfc recommended it to me
10:08 reptilian_thrills; heh
10:08 reptilian_thrills; hes obviously moved on
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; because I used an unmaintained predecessor
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; oh, wait
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; konqueror (still around
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; rekonq
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; qupzilla
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; falkon
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; and the last is mostly maintained by one person
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; who started it as an experiment of sorts
10:09 TR News; Teachers and parents united in demanding changes https://telex.hu/english/2022/10/14/teachers-and-parents-united-to-demand-changes-in-education | Source: Telex (Hungary)
10:09 TR Bot; Telex: Teachers and parents united in demanding changes in education
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; they want to TEACH
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; that's a threat to fideath, MinceR
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; like real education in the US
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; not sure it happens herew
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; maybe it does, but I've not noticed
10:10 reptilian_thrills; like real education in the US <- not a very big threat
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; for 2 decades they said gcqhe levels and standards were lowered
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; I need to see a 2022 CS syllabus
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; surely I can find onje online
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; if they have courses on "clown", then we're f*ed
10:12 reptilian_thrills; the clown has already taken over
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; no
10:12 reptilian_thrills; they dont have to teach clown, they teach github
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; it was there all along
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; :-)
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; not sure they teach that
10:12 reptilian_thrills; gitclown
10:12 reptilian_thrills; clownhub
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; maybe some worse colleges do
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; need to check
10:12 reptilian_thrills; oh they teach github
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; which uni?
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; I'm checking now
10:13 reptilian_thrills; its not a course, its a material.
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; on my disks I have copies of the 2000 and later syllabi
10:13 reptilian_thrills; they teach github in the courses
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; inc. lecture notes
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; yes, but who is the they?
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; mit?
10:14 reptilian_thrills; it happens informally
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; wentworth?
10:14 reptilian_thrills; youll see
10:14 reptilian_thrills; im sure youll find it all over the place
10:14 reptilian_thrills; i feel pretty confident i could walk into just about any uni right now
10:14 reptilian_thrills; find them using github in courses
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; https://studentnet.cs.manchester.ac.uk/ugt/syllabus.php
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; php
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; good
10:14 TR Bot; Current UG Study & Curriculum (School of Computer Science - The University of Manchester)
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; looks good
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; the titles at least
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; they teach the concepts
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; ""Introduction to AI
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; followed by "Machine Learning"
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; They used to have just "Machine Learning"
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; they had to add "HEY HI"
10:16 schestowitz[TR]; "Knowledge-based AI"
10:16 schestowitz[TR]; HEY HI!!!
10:16 schestowitz[TR]; "Introduction to Visual Computing"
10:16 schestowitz[TR]; https://my.manchester.ac.uk/uPortal/p/course-unit-info.ctf1/max/render.uP?pP_action=viewCUDetails&pP_location=/CourseUnitPublishing/CourseUnitDataFiles/COMP/001893COMP271122022-08-161V12.xml
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; for manchester css the syllabus still looks solid, overall
10:17 reptilian_thrills; in communist russia, github teaches manchester uni
10:17 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/COMP101
10:17 TR Bot; - UoMCS/COMP101: Lab manual and exercises for UoM CS101
10:17 reptilian_thrills; this is what i mean, its everywhere
10:17 reptilian_thrills; 09:14 <reptilian_thrills> it happens informally
10:17 reptilian_thrills; 09:13 <reptilian_thrills> its not a course, its a material
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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10:21 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/softeng Software engineering at the University of Manchester https://software-eng.netlify.app/
10:21 TR Bot; - UoMCS/softeng: Software engineering at the University of Manchester https://software-eng.netlify.app/
10:21 TR Bot; Welcome | Software engineering
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10:25 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/php-png Library for manipulating PNG files in PHP
10:25 TR Bot; - UoMCS/php-png: Library for manipulating PNG files in PHP
10:26 reptilian_thrills; here you want to look at the syllabus? you can visualise it
10:26 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/syllabus-visualisation
10:26 TR Bot; - UoMCS/syllabus-visualisation: Syllabus Visualisation
10:26 reptilian_thrills; /me visualises microsoft controlling the compsci dept
10:27 reptilian_thrills; https://github.com/UoMCS/komodo Komodo debugger used in engineering laboratories
10:27 TR Bot; - UoMCS/komodo: Komodo debugger used in engineering laboratories
10:27 reptilian_thrills; even their mips stuff is on github (maybe their most popular repo on gh)
10:27 *schestowitz[TR] back
10:28 reptilian_thrills; github has taken over the school
10:28 reptilian_thrills; granted im not picking on manchester-- i think its like this in general
10:28 reptilian_thrills; i wish it wasnt
10:28 reptilian_thrills; the term "monopoly" tends to imply... basically this
10:29 reptilian_thrills; github is nearly a monopoly. its bad.
10:29 reptilian_thrills; its not QUITE a monopoly, but its enough of one to predict stuff like this
10:29 TR News; "General Mills hikedits pricesfive times since June of 2021 alone, and the company saw its net earnings climb31 percentto$820 million" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/raise-corporate-taxes-not-interest-rates/ | Source: Counter Punch
10:29 TR Bot; Corporate Taxes, Not Interest Rates - CounterPunch.org
10:30 TR News; <li>
10:30 reptilian_thrills; for uom to stand against github, they would have to care more about software freedom than the gnu project
10:30 TR News; "There is a huge difference between those at the top of the .1%people such as Musk, Bezos, and Gatesand those at the entry level." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-wealth-of-the-u-s-wealthiest-one-tenth-of-one-percent/ | Source: Counter Punch
↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-wealth-of-the-u-s-wealthiest-one-tenth-of-one-percent/
10:30 TR Bot; Wealth of the U.S. Wealthiest One-Tenth of One Percent - CounterPunch.org
10:30 reptilian_thrills; thats slightly tongue in cheek (but mostly true)
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; shithub is subsidised at a loss
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; that's why many still use that
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; and they also bribe with cpu cycles
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; github "actions"
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; meanwhile they need an income source
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; 18k laid off
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; just at Microsoft
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; frieddman was canned
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; and they put azure person in charge
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; they try to figure out how to 'monetise' it
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; gitlab also
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; they wanted to cut costs
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; by removing 'inactive' projects
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; i.e. projects that are still useful but don't have commit activity on them
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; turns out 'free' hosting is not a business plan
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; it's a market share geab plan
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; free sofwtare does not have this issue
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; free software does not mean free hosting
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; it means,
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; take this code
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; pass it on
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; deploy it
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; send back patches etc.
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; but you are on your own
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; 'clown' computing is not cheap
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; it's bait
10:34 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 14, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/irc-log-141022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/irc-log-141022/
10:34 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 14, 2022 | Techrights
10:35 reptilian_thrills; while the world stops caring about software freedom, the fsf does
10:35 reptilian_thrills; nothing
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; i did a post about this.
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; hang on
10:35 reptilian_thrills; shithub is subsidised at a loss <- expenditures
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/free-speech-dying/
10:35 TR Bot; Free Speech is Becoming as Scarce as Independent Journalism (Even at the FSF) | Techrights
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; not this one
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; there was another one..
10:35 reptilian_thrills; 18k laid off <- the nazi camps laid off millions
10:36 reptilian_thrills; they still had plenty of free workers
10:36 reptilian_thrills; they put azure person in charge <- i swear it was mentioned in the halloween documents
10:36 reptilian_thrills; "one 'blue sky' option..."
10:37 reptilian_thrills; they try to figure out how to 'monetise' it <- this is your circular argument, you dont get it
10:37 reptilian_thrills; github is a weapon, its not a product
10:37 reptilian_thrills; if a guy goes into a bank with a gun, it doesnt matter how much money they give him
10:37 reptilian_thrills; the gun is not for sale
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; meanwhile at github
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; dmaage control
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; :
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:32] <schestowitz> your iphone hangs up the network whgen idle
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:32] <Source> Yeah something like that
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:32] <schestowitz> if that happens assume anything posted through irc might not go through
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] <Source> Anyways I'm just saying don't assume that I am right about him resisting arrest
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] <Source> That is just an opinion and not anything that should be published
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] <schestowitz> i assume nothing, at least when publishing
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] <schestowitz> i check carefully
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] <Source> I am not committing defamation by saying that there's usually a correlation between a long time in jail and posting bail
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:33] <Source> And resisting arrest
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:34] <Source> https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1240022284489777153?s=20
10:37 TR Bot; @epowell101 Yes, a return to the belief in the importance of technocratic excellence.
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; [03:34] <Source> This is interesting
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:34] <Source> "Technocrat"
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:34] <Source> you mean like the one percent? [03:35] <Source> The slumlords nat?
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> "king of github"
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> xamarin
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> ximian
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> microsoft.. CEO
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> lol
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> playing "low level"
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> while talking about his 'homy' satya in twitter a day or so before "thank you github"
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> he was sacked I reckon
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> on amicable terms
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:36] <schestowitz> to avoid panic at the company
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:37] <Source> "Mind over matter"
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:37] <Source> Poor victim [03:39] <Source> I wish i knew more.
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] <schestowitz> lol
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] <schestowitz> it's almost 4sam here
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] <Source> I think Alex might have already been on his last days at github
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] <schestowitz> I need sleep soon
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] <Source> He's been working on documentation
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] <Source> Yeah sure go to sleep thanks for taking down my picture because I really want you to do that and it's important
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] <schestowitz> yes, will do that
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:40] <Source> I know it's public but the warrant is much better evidence[03:40] <schestowitz> in the morning
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:41] <Source> Thank you good night
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; [03:41] <schestowitz> gn
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; lots going on at github, reptilian_thrills
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; but the media is MIA
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; intentionally
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; noticed how "copilot" isn't talked much about this year?
10:39 reptilian_thrills; lots going on at github <- you know where a lot isnt going on?
10:39 reptilian_thrills; free software
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; and now it's just OSI shill talking about "HEY HI"?
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; while Microsoft pays for the placements?
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; under the name "github"?
10:39 reptilian_thrills; noticed how "copilot" isn't talked much about this year? <- i havent kept up on this
10:39 mjg59_; Copilot's kind of talked about a lot this year?
10:40 mjg59_; It GAed earlier this year
10:40 reptilian_thrills; ah here comes the fact checker
10:40 reptilian_thrills; actually, roy could use a few of those
10:40 mjg59_; And moved to requiring payment
10:40 mjg59_; (Outside people who qualify for free access)
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; it's piushing proprietary software
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; vs 'core'
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; *code
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; and it'll fail
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; shithub will still lose money
10:40 reptilian_thrills; __________ is dying
10:40 mjg59_; That's kind of a separate issue from nobody talking about it
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; while encouraging copyright violations
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; which mjg59_ is OK with
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; biab
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; no time to fight with copilot apologists
10:41 mjg59_; Yeah I'm actually broadly good with weakening copyright
10:41 reptilian_thrills; im good with broadly weakening it
10:41 mjg59_; Free software doesn't depend on it
10:41 mjg59_; The GPL is a win while strong copyright exists
10:41 mjg59_; But I'd rather not have strong copyright
10:42 reptilian_thrills; The GPL is a win while strong copyright exists <- this has been my position for years
10:42 reptilian_thrills; But I'd rather not have strong copyrigh <- this too
10:42 reptilian_thrills; however, as strategies for weakening copyright goes
10:42 TR News; WheatSystem Is A Homebrew 8-Bit OS https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/wheatsystem-is-a-homebrew-8-bit-os/ | Source: Hackaday
10:42 TR Bot; Is A Homebrew 8-Bit OS | Hackaday
10:42 reptilian_thrills; having microsoft rip people off has not weakened copyright very much, even during decades of "progress"
10:42 TR News; RepRap https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/hackaday-podcast-189-seven-segments-three-ways-candle-code-diy-e-readers-and-the-badge-reveal/ | Source: Hackaday
10:42 TR Bot; Podcast 189: Seven Segments Three Ways, Candle Code, DIY E-Readers, And The Badge Reveal | Hackaday
10:43 reptilian_thrills; instead, they charge royalties for bogus patents
10:43 reptilian_thrills; but the royalties are just as real as they would be for legit patents
10:43 mjg59_; If someone other than Microsoft trained a model on the Github data (which, I admit, would be more work) you'd end up with an equivalent model that wasn't owned by Microsoft
10:43 reptilian_thrills; i buy an android phone, microsoft gets paid. did they make android? no. would it matter? no.
10:44 mjg59_; Would that model be evil?
10:44 TR News; Npm Timing Leak = Microsoft failure https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/this-week-in-security-npm-timing-leak-siemens-universal-key-and-php-in-png/ | Source: Hackaday http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/
10:44 TR Bot; Week In Security: Npm Timing Leak, Siemens Universal Key, And PHP In PNG | Hackaday
10:44 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights
10:44 reptilian_thrills; having microsoft rip people off has not weakened copyright very much, even during decades of "progress" <- if anything, copyright has gotten stronger since then
10:44 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Would that model be evil? <- thats reducing the question to focus on the good and ignore the problem
10:44 reptilian_thrills; if its not a fallacy its still rhetoric
10:45 reptilian_thrills; youre REALLY good at framing shit
10:45 mjg59_; I think it's helpful to separate individual actions by Microsoft from Microsoft's overall strategy when analysing things
10:45 reptilian_thrills; i want to know who trained you, it cant just be a hobby
10:46 reptilian_thrills; I think it's helpful to separate individual actions by Microsoft from Microsoft's overall strategy <- you mean separate their actions from the problems it causes :)
10:46 mjg59_; Benefits of an Oxbridge education
10:46 mjg59_; (Not really, they don't teach rhetoric in biology courses)
10:46 reptilian_thrills; Benefits of an Oxbridge education <- so when the an-coms smash oxbridge ill hold my tongue
10:46 mjg59_; (And I was never a member of the debating societies)
10:46 reptilian_thrills; hard to believe
10:47 reptilian_thrills; your skill at compartmentalising is nearly unlike any ive seen.
10:47 mjg59_; Oh, I'm ideologically closer to being an an-com than anything else tbh
10:47 reptilian_thrills; youre like rhetorical qubes os
10:48 mjg59_; Microsoft as a whole certainly benefits from broadening IP protection
10:48 reptilian_thrills; but hypocrisy has rarely hurt their ambitions or their bottom line
10:48 mjg59_; That doesn't mean that every single thing that happens within Microsoft that could be perceived in that way is intended to be that
10:48 mjg59_; Microsoft is a giant and dysfunctional company
10:48 mjg59_; It's just not capable of ensuring that 100% of everything lines up with being evil
10:48 reptilian_thrills; Microsoft is a giant and dysfunctional company <- but unquestionably destructive to things outside it
10:49 reptilian_thrills; It's just not capable of ensuring that 100% of everything lines up with being evil <- im not sure the margin makes much difference
10:49 reptilian_thrills; i mean i used to
10:49 reptilian_thrills; before free software collapsed
10:49 reptilian_thrills; i used to think we could win
10:49 reptilian_thrills; i still TECHNICALLY do
10:49 reptilian_thrills; but its a lot more laughable now
10:49 mjg59_; Hey if I'd wanted to sell out and make a shitload of cash by working for Microsoft I've had ample opportunity, and I won't because I think Microsoft is still fundamentally incompatible with advancing free software
10:50 TR News; Pro Publica talks about "Affordable Housing" while taking bribes from the world's biggest thief, Bill Gates https://www.propublica.org/article/crda-failed-affordable-housing-atlantic-city
10:50 TR Bot; How CRDA Failed on Affordable Housing in Atlantic City ProPublica
10:50 mjg59_; But I don't think Copilot is a plot to launder free software into proprietary code
10:50 reptilian_thrills; yeah but thats roys schtick not mine
10:50 reptilian_thrills; he thinks youre going to work for them because i thinks theyll buy aurora
10:50 reptilian_thrills; and i said
10:50 reptilian_thrills; for one reason or another, if microsoft buys aurora, youll probably quit not long after
10:51 reptilian_thrills; call it a hunch
10:51 mjg59_; If any company I work for is acquired by Microsoft, my resignation notice is signed in the time it takes me to write it after learning that happens
10:51 mjg59_; Ditto Apple
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> yeah but thats roys schtick not mine
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; trhat's the evidence
10:51 reptilian_thrills; and somehow that doesnt surprise me
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; from the people who came up with it
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; read the series
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; serial plagiarists
10:52 reptilian_thrills; im not sure what youre even trying to tell me right now
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; i'll be back later then
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; i saw "roy"
10:52 reptilian_thrills; probably something im already aware of
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; got highlight
10:52 reptilian_thrills; yeah that was about mjg working for microsoft
10:53 reptilian_thrills; i dont think he will
10:53 schestowitz[TR]; want to make sure what you say with my name in it is at least truthful
10:53 reptilian_thrills; not on the books at least
10:53 reptilian_thrills; is at least truthful <- knowing what i was saying is a good first step
10:53 reptilian_thrills; i was saying that its your schtick that hes going to go work for microsoft
10:53 mjg59_; But seriously I don't think Copilot is fundamentally an attack on free software
10:53 reptilian_thrills; and i dont agree
10:53 reptilian_thrills; thats the whole thing
10:54 reptilian_thrills; i dont think he will go work for microsoft
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; he doesn't need to
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; he already works for microsoft
10:54 reptilian_thrills; that may be true
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; but on the salary of another company
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; this is very common
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; in unievrsities also
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; the uni pays the salaryy
10:54 mjg59_; In an abstract sense, from a free software perspective we should be in favour of tools that make it easier for people to take existing ideas and turn them into free software
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; but the person works against the uni
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; and for smicrosoft
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; and maybe later goes work for microsoft more directly
10:55 reptilian_thrills; In an abstract sense <- this is too abstract, if you were a marxist you wouldnt do this
10:55 mjg59_; The problem is that any tool that makes it possible to take existing ideas and turn them into free software also makes it possible to take existing ideas and turn them into proprietary software
10:55 mjg59_; So should we argue that because it enables a bad thing, we should consider it to be bad?
10:55 reptilian_thrills; because youre creating a very abstract formula and deciding what to do based on that
10:55 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> So should we argue that because it enables a bad thing, we should consider it to be bad? <- what you should do is look at the situation
10:55 mjg59_; Or is the tool itself neutral, and the problem is the existence of proprietary software?
10:55 reptilian_thrills; and look at the big picture
10:55 reptilian_thrills; and compare them
10:55 reptilian_thrills; and decide what to do based on those.
10:56 reptilian_thrills; instead youre creating an abstract formula and fitting your goals to an overgeneralisation
10:56 reptilian_thrills; this looks like im complaining about your process
10:56 mjg59_; I have real trouble with the position of "This thing isn't inherently bad, but it could harm free software, so we should say it's bad"
10:56 reptilian_thrills; but actually im complaining about the results and saying what leads to it
10:56 reptilian_thrills; I have real trouble with the position of "This thing isn't inherently bad, but it could harm free software, so we should say it's bad" <- that too is an overgeneralisation that i think is foolish
10:56 mjg59_; And, like, what's the actual goal of free software
10:56 reptilian_thrills; i mean on the part of free software
10:57 mjg59_; Is it the software itself, or is it the idea that knowledge should be freely owned
10:57 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Is it the software itself, or is it the idea that knowledge should be freely owned <- i can give you my standard answer to this
10:57 reptilian_thrills; the goals of free software are 1. for all software to be free 2. for users to control their computing
10:57 reptilian_thrills; now, im sympathetic to free culture as a goal. ive been using free culture licenses religiously for like a decade
10:58 reptilian_thrills; i wrote a RHETORICAL PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE to poke at stallmans line between software and culture-- which has SOME basis in copyright law/tradition but idgaf.
10:58 reptilian_thrills; the fsf has never been fair to free culture
10:58 reptilian_thrills; and cc sucks too
10:58 TR News; "Copyright Management Services Ltd, a UK-based company that helped front the BitTorrent piracy lawsuit factory known as Guardaley" https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-lawsuit-front-company-tries-to-shut-down-accounts-overdue-221014/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:58 TR Bot; Lawsuit Front Company Tries to Shut Down, Accounts Overdue * TorrentFreak
10:58 TR News; "Germany's Federal Court of Justice has clarified the conditions under which rightsholders can seek site-blocking orders to restrict access to piracy sites." https://torrentfreak.com/federal-court-of-justice-pirate-site-blocking-must-be-a-tool-of-last-resort-221014/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:58 TR Bot; Court of Justice: Pirate Site Blocking Must Be a Tool of Last Resort * TorrentFreak
10:58 reptilian_thrills; cc is just a mountain of disappointment. and suck.
10:59 reptilian_thrills; i adore lessig.
10:59 reptilian_thrills; the apple falls very far from the tree
10:59 TR News; "Back in the 1980s, the personal computer was a hip new thing, and the form this new technology would take was still up for debate." https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/toteable-pc-is-inspired-by-macs-of-days-gone-by/ | Source: Hackaday
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 76.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 37.81
10:59 TR Bot; PC Is Inspired By Macs Of Days Gone By | Hackaday
10:59 mjg59_; It's kind of a tragedy that the FSF and CC never got along
10:59 reptilian_thrills; i actually stopped paying the fsf because i felt they were attacking free culture
10:59 mjg59_; Because I think a more coherent free knowledge movement would have worked better than separate free culture and free software movements
10:59 reptilian_thrills; however, its never been one sided
11:00 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/10/31/rms-lessig-video-2001-san-francisco/
11:00 TR Bot; New Video Release by Marcia K. Wilbur: Richard Stallman (RMS) and Larry Lessig | Techrights
11:00 reptilian_thrills; the two have been in the backseat screaming and pulling each others hair and kicking each other for 20 years of this fucking road trip
11:00 reptilian_thrills; yeah lessig vs rms isnt the issue
11:00 reptilian_thrills; its fsf vs cc, but cc sucks
11:00 schestowitz[TR]; divide and rule
11:00 reptilian_thrills; if cc was more like lessig, fsf would be the main problem
11:00 mjg59_; Ok, so let's take the Copilot technology, but apply it to literature
11:00 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/18/mark-j-wielaard-and-sourceware/
11:00 TR Bot; Splinter Group SFC (Already Sued by Moglen/SFLC) is Not Really Against Microsoft GitHub, It Helps IBM/Red Hat Outsource GNU to GitHub Using the Same Excuses Microsoft Used When Lobbying for Kernel.org to Move to Proprietary GitHub | Techrights
11:00 reptilian_thrills; divide and rule <- thats not how the fsf sees it
11:01 reptilian_thrills; mark-j-wielaard <- coup
11:01 reptilian_thrills; but you know that
11:01 mjg59_; I mean, Dall-E is basically Copilot but for graphical art
11:01 reptilian_thrills; and-sourcewar <- ibm gcc
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; ito was left in charge of cc
11:01 reptilian_thrills; I mean, Dall-E is basically Copilot but for graphical ar <- i made this point about stable diffusion recently
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; he then helped mit net money from gates/epstein
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; so ito was no lessig
11:01 mjg59_; So do we treat those technologies the same way as Copilot? If not, why?
11:02 schestowitz[TR]; he apprarently saw nothing wrong with sex trafficking and microsoft passing bribes
11:02 reptilian_thrills; i mean there are a few ways i can poke at your generalisation
11:02 reptilian_thrills; id need time to pick one and im not sure how much they all matter
11:02 mjg59_; I would genuinely love you to
11:02 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/
11:02 TR Bot; Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights
11:02 reptilian_thrills; okay, for one, we could lean on the distinction between software and other works-- which i TOTALLY think stallman overplays, and he shouldnt
11:03 mjg59_; Because my gut feeling is that these are the same things, and they say something about creativity, and socially we have different ideas about the creativity in graphical art and the creativity in software
11:03 reptilian_thrills; but making it into nothing at all is probably a mistake too
11:03 reptilian_thrills; these are the same things <- im not sure theyre the same thing
11:03 reptilian_thrills; in copyright theyre not
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11:03 reptilian_thrills; in otehr ways theyre not
11:03 reptilian_thrills; stallman was always good at drawing the line between them
11:03 reptilian_thrills; i just think he made (way) too much of it
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; here comes the microsoft troll
11:03 reptilian_thrills; im not saying theres no line at all
11:03 mjg59_; Can I just say that when Roy asks me why I'm here, it's because this is the sort of conversation I want to have
11:04 reptilian_thrills; i mean he gives you the perfect excuse anyway
11:04 reptilian_thrills; he never stfu about you
11:04 reptilian_thrills; you two didnt date in uni?
11:04 yuhong; I wonder would Shane support a transition to SSD based search engines.
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; yuhong: wtf?
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; shane has not been involved since 2007
11:04 reptilian_thrills; i think he meant hypothetically
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; and you keep bringing up things from 15 years ago like his google ads
11:04 reptilian_thrills; or rhetorically
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; yuhong: grow up
11:05 reptilian_thrills; maybe yuhong is interested in the history of techrights
11:05 mjg59_; Roy was all busy lifting and I was too busy hanging out with women
11:05 mjg59_; Not a lot of opportunity for us to hook up
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: no, he is trolling for microsoft
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; like claiming we have google ads
11:05 mjg59_; He seems pretty monogomous, anyway
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; they existed in 2006
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; not my choise, either
11:05 reptilian_thrills; yeah i think hes half-amish
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; *choice
11:05 reptilian_thrills; in every conceivable way
11:06 reptilian_thrills; probably on his fathers side
11:06 schestowitz[TR]; techusers is like this too
11:06 yuhong; Since 2007?
11:06 reptilian_thrills; 2006
11:06 reptilian_thrills; oh different question
11:06 yuhong; I believe that you had Google ads for years.
11:07 mjg59_; But anyway, "AI" generated content
11:07 reptilian_thrills; <yuhong> I believe that you had Google ads for years. <- what would the point of that be
11:07 mjg59_; I think the arguments from graphical artists have been more coherent than those from software developers
11:07 reptilian_thrills; also the internet archive should make it clear whether their were google ads or not
11:07 schestowitz[TR]; the microsofters love to bring that up
11:07 reptilian_thrills; have been more coherent <- copyright works differently for images and software.
11:08 mjg59_; I think the most powerful argument from the art side is "What does 'in the style of' mean"
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; like de icaza did in 2007
11:08 reptilian_thrills; how copyright is/isnt weaked (it stands to reason) should be different as well
11:08 mjg59_; I think framing the discussion in terms of copyright is a problem
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; it's the "you're doing it for profit" FUD
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; I didn't even have access to that gulag account
11:08 reptilian_thrills; in terms of copyright is a proble <- its unavoidable
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; that was shane's
11:08 mjg59_; Given that my position is basically "Fuck copyright"
11:08 reptilian_thrills; i mean, you are very insistent on framing this in a way that ignores every problem brought up
11:09 reptilian_thrills; and focuses on how it might be aweseom
11:09 reptilian_thrills; open source has done that forever
11:09 mjg59_; Hrm let me try to rephrase this
11:09 reptilian_thrills; but what if its REALLY COOL THO
11:09 reptilian_thrills; i mean thats great if its really cool-- but
11:09 mjg59_; If we view this argument through the lens of copyright we solidify existing beliefs about what copyright should be
11:09 reptilian_thrills; imo we should weight the pros AND the cons
11:09 reptilian_thrills; not the pros OR the cons
11:09 TR News; "Despite efforts to curb insider trading, the practice has been rampant within the US government on both sides of the aisle" https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/14/the-scandal-of-congressional-stock-trading/ | Source: Scheerpost
11:09 TR Bot; Scandal of Congressional Stock Trading - scheerpost.com
11:09 mjg59_; And maybe existing copyright law is actually bad
11:09 reptilian_thrills; If we view this argument through the lens of copyright we solidify existing beliefs <- well no
11:09 yuhong; I am targeting Shane and not schestowitz anyway.
11:10 reptilian_thrills; again, if you were a marxist youd know more about transitioning things
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; so you're being an s-shole
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; attacking a deaf person 15 years after he moved on to fcus on family
11:10 reptilian_thrills; i mean an-coms are very much
11:10 reptilian_thrills; smash now, rebuild later
11:10 mjg59_; yuhong: I've repeatedly tried to block you from commenting on my blog because almost everything you say has no relevance to whatever was written and I honestly can't believe that I'm saying this *here* but you're adding nothing
11:10 reptilian_thrills; marxists dismantle things like they want to put it back together in a way that works.
11:11 reptilian_thrills; you just want to smash copyright. this argument is sloppy as hell but i think it cuts right to the heart of the matter
11:11 reptilian_thrills; im happy to see copyright disappear
11:11 reptilian_thrills; but i dont necessarily think ANY OF THIS is going to help make copyright disappear
11:11 reptilian_thrills; its going to affect copyleft faster than it affects copyright
11:11 mjg59_; Yeah I don't think this makes copyright disappear at all
11:12 reptilian_thrills; and its going to help corporations more than it helps free sw
11:12 reptilian_thrills; but then again
11:12 reptilian_thrills; free sw is dead so
11:12 mjg59_; But it's about trying to remain consistent with what I believe copyright should protect
11:12 reptilian_thrills; we are basically coming up with a plan to not piss off the beothuk tribe, which no longer exists
11:12 reptilian_thrills; everything is open source and open source LOVES this shit
11:12 reptilian_thrills; so rah rah rah copilot yay
11:12 mjg59_; And if the argument is that we need strong copyright to protect free software then I think we've lost at some other level
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; no copyrights -> you can lieft all source code of proprietary software
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; everything becomes public domain
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; and code reuse is a natural condition
11:13 reptilian_thrills; i mean your argument-- forgive me for saying so-- is pretty much word for word what julia reda wrote years ago
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; sort of like 50 years ago I think
11:13 reptilian_thrills; and i know what you did (im not implying anything Personal or intimate here) with julia reda
11:13 reptilian_thrills; so
11:13 reptilian_thrills; not that it necessarily changes any of this
11:13 reptilian_thrills; but...
11:13 reptilian_thrills; id feel remiss if i didnt even mention this
11:13 TR News; Europol and Interpol spying https://digit.site36.net/2022/10/14/connecting-europol-and-interpol-eu-provides-more-surveillance-in-libya/ | Source: Site36
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11:14 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Felix Reda now, I believe
11:14 TR News; Medicine Dosing Spoon Discontinued https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/medicine-dosing-spoon-discontinued-made-3d-printable-instead/ | Source: Hackaday
11:14 TR Bot; Dosing Spoon Discontinued, Made 3D Printable Instead | Hackaday
11:14 mjg59_; But I don't think I've ever communicated with him
11:14 reptilian_thrills; Felix Reda <- this is literally the first ive heard of this
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; Reda= anti-rms
11:15 reptilian_thrills; the first ive hear <- not even a hint or a whisper or a rumour or an inkling
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; maybe pressing reset
11:15 reptilian_thrills; id say im shocked but i have no reason to be, and im really not
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; after some bad press
11:16 reptilian_thrills; maybe pressing reset <- this is mildly transphobic
11:16 mjg59_; https://www.buzzfeed.de/recherchen/exklusiv-der-ehemalige-eu-abgeordnete-und-digitalexperte-felix-reda-senficon-outet-sich-als-trans-zr-91261007.html
11:16 TR Bot; Exklusiv: Ehemaliger EU-Abgeordneter Felix Reda outet sich als trans
11:16 reptilian_thrills; most people dont become trans to "press reset"
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: no, it does happen
11:16 mjg59_;
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; name changes in general
11:16 mjg59_; wtf
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; no wtf
11:16 yuhong; Interestingly http://www.edu-nix.org/ seems dead now too.
11:16 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ http://www.edu-nix.org/ )
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; fact
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; not convenient to some
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; but always applicable
11:17 mjg59_; People transition to avoid their history
11:17 mjg59_; While retaining family names
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; there are high-profile examples
11:17 mjg59_; And doing so in a way that leaves a clear link between them
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; m,ental breakdowns
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; and then name change
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; to start afresh
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; many examples
11:17 mjg59_; Many examples of people transitioning for that purpose?
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; or after some misconduct
11:17 mjg59_; Name one
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; that's why states try to chain and link name changes
11:18 TR News; "Well, there is, kinda. Its called the Stock Act and passed in 2012. It allows stock trading, so long as the politicos eschew insider information." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-scandal-of-congressional-stock-trading/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:18 TR Bot; Scandal of Congressional Stock Trading - CounterPunch.org
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11:18 schestowitz[TR]; annie machon's partner
11:18 mjg59_; Give one example of someone transitioning to escape their history
11:18 reptilian_thrills; blacks actually commit crimes. we have records.
11:18 reptilian_thrills; if every time someone mentions blacks i said "maybe hes a criminal"
11:18 reptilian_thrills; it would be pretty racist
11:19 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Annie Machon's parter transitioned?
11:19 schestowitz[TR]; yes
11:19 schestowitz[TR]; I spoke to her about it
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11:20 mjg59_; And did so to avoid her history?
11:20 schestowitz[TR]; but that was back in the days when according to you you were saying "transphobic shit"
11:20 schestowitz[TR]; (I did not)
11:20 yuhong; https://www.shanecoyle.com/ still seems to be alive.
11:20 TR Bot; Citizen Shane
11:20 TR News; "When the COVID-19 pandemic hit, it became clear that organizers would have to pull the plug on any large social events they had planned." https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/errf-22-after-two-years-back-and-better-than-ever/ | Source: Hackaday
11:20 TR Bot; 22: After Two Years, Back And Better Than Ever | Hackaday
11:21 reptilian_thrills; yuhong why are you so interested in 15-year-old techrights?
11:21 reptilian_thrills; there "has to" be a reason
11:21 reptilian_thrills; /me is interested in techrights history too
11:21 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Yuhong makes basically no sense at all
11:21 reptilian_thrills; did you read boycott novell?
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; lol, yuhong thinks there's only one person for each name
11:22 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: Yuhong makes basically no sense at all <- thats been my impression too, but im still fuzzing atm
11:22 yuhong; They had the Google ads for years. Do you remember when the ads were removed?
11:22 schestowitz[TR]; that's like thinking a Nguyen is just one family
11:22 reptilian_thrills; Do you remember when the ads were removed? <- you can just go to the front page in the internet archive and see for yourself
11:23 reptilian_thrills; i have no idea when the ads were there/removed
11:23 mjg59_; Anyway, the argument that people transition in order to avoid their past is ridiculous
11:23 mjg59_; Roy's provided no evidence to support that claim
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; that's not what I even said, transphobe
11:23 reptilian_thrills; ridiculous <- and sort of implies (even if not deliberately) that its just some kind of clever disguise
11:23 reptilian_thrills; that's not what I even said <- what you said does imply some of these things.
11:24 mjg59_; And I don't think there's any plausible suggestion that Felix Reda is trying to avoid his past
11:24 reptilian_thrills; unless you were WILDLY misunderstood
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; even before trans was a thing people changed names to avoid association with crimes
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; or other unwanted things
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; nothing to do with gender
11:24 reptilian_thrills; even before trans was a thing people changed names to avoid association with crimes <- right so
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; but about names
11:24 mjg59_; 11:15 < schestowitz[TR]> maybe pressing reset
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; people also change surnames for this reason sometimes
11:24 reptilian_thrills; nothing to do with gender <- exactly the point mjg is making
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; like after divorces
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; even some relatives of mine
11:24 reptilian_thrills; you apparently are conflating name changes with gender transitioning
11:25 mjg59_; Roy, you understand that transitioning is not just a matter of changing names, right
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; many people change nams
11:25 reptilian_thrills; changing your name is easy
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; few of those are trans
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; *names
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; but you live ina microcosm
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; of the people you've long mocked, mjg59_
11:25 reptilian_thrills; eli5 is no good, you have to explain like hes 2.
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; so you hear name change and think of sex change
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; that says a lot about you
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; not about me
11:25 mjg59_; We are talking about someone who transitioned and changed his name as a result of that transition
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; let us see how many people in the Uk change a name per year?
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; I reckon abotu a million
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; rianne changed her name
11:26 mjg59_; Implying that he changed his name to "press reset" is not appropriate
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; and had to send documents around to do this
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; liekly; a million people a year change name
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; in the UK alone
11:26 mjg59_; Cool what the fuck does that have to do with this specific case
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; most due to marriages and divorces, I'd guess
11:26 reptilian_thrills; you can tell roy hes conflaing the gender transition with the name change but he wont get it
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, I'm out
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; this is a waste of time
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; and trolling
11:27 mjg59_; Bye, transphobe
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/
11:27 TR Bot; Matthew Garrett Admits Being a Transphobic Adult Before Choosing to Weaponise This to Defame and Then Cancel People Who Arent Transphobic | Techrights
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; talk to the mirror
11:27 reptilian_thrills; anyway, ive never heard of felix reda before today
11:27 mjg59_; Yeah roy the thing is that I am not the person I was 20 years ago
11:28 mjg59_; Given the opportunity to go back in time and slap the shit out of myself I'd do so
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; good, so maybe in 20 years you'll grow pubes
11:28 reptilian_thrills; good, so maybe in 20 years you'll grow pubes <- random af
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; but then bill agtes won't want you
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; nor graveley
11:28 reptilian_thrills; ah, the connection
11:28 mjg59_; But I'm not the person I was 20 years ago
11:28 *yuhong has quit (Quit: Leaving)
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; who says men are disgusting when their body grows hair
11:28 mjg59_; And I reject many things I said and did then
11:28 mjg59_; And I can explain why those things were wrong
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; which makes one wonder about him being a kid lust cookoohead
11:29 reptilian_thrills; roy is the only person i know that gives a shit who you were 20 years ago
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; bbll
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; posting Daily Links now
11:29 mjg59_; Because over the course of my life I have learned a lot, and now I try to help encourage people not to be who I was 20 years ago
11:30 reptilian_thrills; /me tries to meet 60yo mjg and get him to slap 40yo mjg
11:30 mjg59_; And if more people had been doing that 20 years ago, maybe I'd have learned faster
11:30 mjg59_; Oh man I am honestly fascinated to learn who 60yo me is going to be
11:30 mjg59_; I'd *love* to know what I'm going to learn in the next couple of decades
11:31 mjg59_; Maybe I'll finally grow pubes
11:31 reptilian_thrills; so would i
11:31 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Maybe I'll finally grow pubes <- lol, you just have to push
11:31 reptilian_thrills; and then for gods sake, change your name
11:31 reptilian_thrills; because thats how its done
11:32 mjg59_; Yeah, better cope out as a woman and deal with all the social bullshit that will follow than deal with my history up until that point
11:32 mjg59_; Er, "come out", not "cope out"
11:33 mjg59_; Anyway sorry that got super derailed you were making a good point and then I pointed out that you were understandably confused about someone's gender and then roy happened
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11:33 reptilian_thrills; anyway, next time i meet someone whos trans ill be sure to ask them what theyre running from
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11:33 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> And if more people had been doing that 20 years ago, maybe I'd have learned faster
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; explain it to your partner
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; not to me
11:34 reptilian_thrills; that got super derailed you were making a good point and then I pointed out that you were understandably confused about someone's gender and then roy happened <- just another day in #techrights
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; 20 years ago was not much different
11:34 reptilian_thrills; its good to know about felix anyway
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; and even in 2022 we have gays here and starstreak says in canada also doing "LGB drop the T" protests
11:34 mjg59_; My partner seems pretty ok with understanding that who I am now isn't who I was 20 years ago?
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; like dfc basically
11:35 mjg59_; Weird that you spend more time complaining about me being transphobic 20 years ago than you do about dfc being transphobic now
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; we don't ban
11:35 reptilian_thrills; Weird that you spend more time complaining about me being transphobic 20 years ago than you do about dfc being transphobic now <- i can explain it, but its stupid anyway
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; not everything posted here is endorsed by anyone else
11:36 mjg59_; But you write posts about me being transphobic 20 years ago, without mentioning dfc being transphobic now
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; and now there is a person here called "whitenigga"
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; I don't endorse that
11:36 mjg59_; Cool
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; and we don't police nicknames like xbox (miocrosoft) does
11:36 mjg59_; That's certainly a choice you can make
11:36 whitenigga; hello :D
11:36 mjg59_; You can allow racism and transphobia to exist in your community
11:37 mjg59_; Or you can do something about that
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; sigh
11:37 mjg59_; Up to you!
11:37 mjg59_; Also up to other people to judge you based on that
11:38 whitenigga; yo dawg
11:38 mjg59_; Anyway I'd love to get back to discussing how copyright law intersects with the goals of free software
11:38 whitenigga; im black but im albino
11:38 whitenigga; so im literally a whitenigga
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; you are not antitransphobia enforcer
11:39 reptilian_thrills; I'd love to get back to discussing how copyright law intersects with the goals of free software <- i think (felix) redas take on it is a mistake
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; no more than kkk whom "saw the light" speak for tolerance
11:39 reptilian_thrills; i did at the time, and i do now
11:39 reptilian_thrills; of course i can appreciate the logic
11:39 reptilian_thrills; but i think its overgeneralising thigns that are sometimes different
11:40 reptilian_thrills; and the real test for whether its different or not-- is practice
11:40 reptilian_thrills; whether its different in practice
11:40 reptilian_thrills; so if we could fast forward to see where this goes, and it goes fine-- then theres no problem obviously
11:40 reptilian_thrills; i think if we fast forward we see bigger gains for microsoft and not much impact on copyright in general
11:40 mjg59_; I don't disagree with that argument, but the thing I'd question is how much of the difference in practice is down to fundamental differences and how much is down to how we socially distinguish between things
11:41 reptilian_thrills; this will affect copyright-- for microsoft and other big companies
11:41 reptilian_thrills; and how much is down to how we socially distinguish between thing <- generally speaking, id say all of stallmans points about the distinction are valid, just exaggerated
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ is the Robert Byrd of the trans community
11:41 reptilian_thrills; /me tries to think who robert byrd is
11:41 mjg59_; If we taught kids how to look at existing software and copy it in their own style, in the same way we teach them to look at art and copy it in their own style, would that change things?
11:42 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> If we taught kids how to look at existing software and copy it in their own style, in the same way we teach them to look at art and copy it in their own style, would that change things? <- you move very fast
11:42 reptilian_thrills; i used to have a book
11:42 reptilian_thrills; that said plagiarism was more common and not such a big deal
11:42 reptilian_thrills; until commercial publishing (and the printing press) got going
11:43 mjg59_; I'd prefer to frame it as "Let's skip the dull bits and get to the interesting question"
11:43 reptilian_thrills; before that, people stole each others words ideas everything no problem
11:43 reptilian_thrills; similarly, copyright has about 0 bearing on non-commerical copies for most of its existence
11:43 reptilian_thrills; and you could even hand-copy a whole book and charge a fee, because you werent "a publisher"
11:43 reptilian_thrills; but once you got into "publishing" you had to follow copyright law
11:44 mjg59_; And this is actually one of my problems with Doctorow - he writes things complaining about people subverting one aspect of "IP" law, but uses the same law to prevent a range of re-uses of his work
11:44 reptilian_thrills; "Let's skip the dull bits and get to the interesting question <- the thing is, thats naivete as a strategy
11:44 reptilian_thrills; i mean you want to go somewhere then figure out where we are going after-- or not at all
11:44 mjg59_; (Which was kind of a problem when I ended up hanging out with him a couple of weeks ago)
11:44 reptilian_thrills; in terms of strategy (in general) thats the opposite of what you should do
11:45 reptilian_thrills; he writes things complaining about people subverting one aspect of "IP" law, but uses the same law to prevent a range of re-uses of his work <- yeah
11:45 reptilian_thrills; ive read and bought several of his books
11:45 reptilian_thrills; but ive pretty much given up on him
11:45 reptilian_thrills; i liked makers a lot
11:46 reptilian_thrills; i started reasing information doesnt want to be free
11:46 reptilian_thrills; i loved him in rip a remix manifesto
11:46 reptilian_thrills; the "boring details" of this are the ones that really tell us what we need to know imo
11:46 reptilian_thrills; not because they necessarily go my way or your way
11:47 reptilian_thrills; but because they let us figure out where we are going with some actual knowledge
11:47 reptilian_thrills; you really just want to move, imo
11:47 reptilian_thrills; and i dont want copyright either
11:47 reptilian_thrills; but relaxing it for microsoft doesnt really need to result in any gains for the rest of us
11:48 reptilian_thrills; just like increasing taxes for the poor doesnt make the rich pay for things we need
11:48 mjg59_; I think the idea that we're relaxing it for Microsoft is the key point here
11:48 mjg59_; If we did the same, would that change its character?
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11:48 reptilian_thrills; youre not going to convince the copyleft die-hards even then
11:49 mjg59_; Say we convinced Microsoft to allow us to train a free software model on the Github corpus (and yes I don't think they would, this is a thought experiment)
11:49 reptilian_thrills; and i realise that doesnt mean we shouldnt change things
11:49 mjg59_; Would that be qualitatively different to Microsoft owning the only example of such a model
11:49 reptilian_thrills; imo copyleft is not a good enough reason to keep copyright
11:49 mjg59_; Or would it be an equal threat to free software
11:50 reptilian_thrills; before software became copyrightable
11:50 reptilian_thrills; because it wasnt, in the states
11:50 reptilian_thrills; companies just used ndas instead
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> /me tries to think who robert byrd is
11:50 schestowitz[TR]; former KKK
11:50 reptilian_thrills; thanks
11:51 reptilian_thrills; if im going to compare mjg to robert byrd i might as well go full godwin imo
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; for political reasons he stopped the "kkk shit"
11:51 reptilian_thrills; oh, now i see the nuance
11:52 reptilian_thrills; former kkk
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; kanye west is reverse byrd
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; started with "george bush dones'\t care about black people"
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; now sides with neonazi rhetorics
11:52 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Is your argument that if someone has ever done something bad, it's impossible for them to understand that and change?
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; don't gloat
11:52 reptilian_thrills; , it's impossible for them to understand that and change? <- projection
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; you're no role model
11:52 mjg59_; I'm clearly no role model
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; rms has at least been quite tolerant for almost 70 years
11:53 mjg59_; rms refused to use the correct pronouns to refer to my partner
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; sorry to hear that
11:53 mjg59_; Cool
11:53 TR News; Links 15/10/2022: Wine 7.19 and This Week in GNOME/KDE | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/wine-7-19/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/wine-7-19/
11:53 TR Bot; Links 15/10/2022: Wine 7.19 and This Week in GNOME/KDE | Techrights
11:54 reptilian_thrills; the thing is, if you dont have anything you can tell the copyleft die-hards
11:54 mjg59_; And maybe 20 years ago I would also have failed to, but since then I've realised I was wrong in that respect
11:54 reptilian_thrills; theyre just going to fight you every step of the way
11:54 reptilian_thrills; which you wont care about, but theyll also fight everyone else who supports getting rid of copyright
11:54 reptilian_thrills; and they already do
11:55 mjg59_; Yeah I think the distinction is really between whether copyleft is a tactical thing or whether copyleft is a strategic thing
11:55 reptilian_thrills; it may seem beside the point-- i dont think it is, but
11:55 reptilian_thrills; if we had a coheerent (functioning) freesw movement
11:55 mjg59_; And I think some die-hard copyleftists have ended up defending copyleft to a point that they've ended up defending copyright even if that wasn't where they started
11:55 reptilian_thrills; and a functioning free culture movement
11:55 reptilian_thrills; we wouldnt need to have this debate
11:56 reptilian_thrills; they would all be behind if if it were workable
11:56 mjg59_; This has been incredibly helpful in understanding where a bunch of the pushback comes from, thank you
11:56 reptilian_thrills; but because we have neither, they will fight this even if its workable (i not sure it is)
11:56 reptilian_thrills; some die-hard copyleftists have ended up defending copyleft to a point that they've ended up defending copyright even if that wasn't where they started <- no question and ive been bitching about THIS VERY THING for years now
11:56 reptilian_thrills; technically stallman is for reducing terms
11:57 TR News; "During the talk there were a few connection problems which were eventually fixed. The published recording is complete and contains all of the actual speech that got through." http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#2021
11:57 TR Bot; Audio/Video - GNU Project - Free-Software Foundation
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11:57 reptilian_thrills; but copyright is more likely to be abolished
11:57 reptilian_thrills; i mean its all well and good to say "in a perfect world" and he does
11:58 reptilian_thrills; but sometimes he says "in this world" when its about free software
11:58 mjg59_; Oh wait this is actually a perfect example of horseshoe theory
11:58 reptilian_thrills; what if its about copyright? then you never know what hes going to say
11:58 mjg59_; Copyleft maximalists becoming copyright maximalists
11:58 reptilian_thrills; Copyleft maximalists becoming copyright maximalists <- heh
11:58 reptilian_thrills; i think its just political failure
11:59 reptilian_thrills; i dont know anyone who takes horseshoe theory seriously. its funny at parties but doesnt explain that much
11:59 TR News; Taiwan reports 77 COVID-19 deaths, second worst after Russia. Only a crazy one thinks it makes sense that China reports 5,226 total deaths, whereas Taiwan alone has twice as many dead (in total). The West used to praise Taiwan's response... for POLITICAL reasons.
12:01 TR News; The number of new asymptomatic cases, which China counts separately, were 1,003 http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202210/4cae2dec1b394c5e8077b95bac3bdf1c.shtml really? Just 1,000? How many got tested?
12:01 TR Bot; NO TITLE
12:02 TR News; On a weekly basis the UK has about a million asymptomatic COVID-19 cases, according to KCL/UCL studies
12:02 reptilian_thrills; the marxist version of horseshoe theory seems to be "historical dialectics" and at least marxists take that seriously
12:02 reptilian_thrills; but theres definitely a nuance
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; coipyleft and copyuright not the same
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; copyleft is about maximising sharing
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; copyright maximalists are the opposite
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; one strives for scarcity
12:03 mjg59_; Roy copyleft literally doesn't exist without copyright
12:03 reptilian_thrills; copyleft is about maximising sharing <- in theory
12:03 mjg59_; Learn to fucking nuance
12:03 mjg59_; The stronger copyright is, the stronger copyleft is
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; learn manners
12:04 mjg59_; I'll respect you when you respect me
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; go back to acpiu work
12:04 mjg59_; Not a lot to do there, it works now
12:04 reptilian_thrills; he likes your acpi work
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2008/07/25/foxconn-bios-acpi/
12:04 TR Bot; Microsofts Dirty ACPI Secrets: Its Back! (Updated) | Techrights
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.osnews.com/story/17689/bill-gates-on-making-acpi-not-work-with-linux/
12:04 TR Bot; Gates on Making ACPI Not Work with Linux OSnews
12:04 reptilian_thrills; i want to tease him that you were transphobic back then but i think hes got that covered
12:05 mjg59_; Yeah uh you realise that the whole foxconn thing was ryan being wrong
12:05 reptilian_thrills; how was he wrong about foxconn-- im more itnerested about foxconn than even ryan being wrong
12:05 mjg59_; It was a combination of their BIOS not matching the spec and Linux not matching the spec and the combination breaking
12:06 mjg59_; It was nothing to do with their firmware deliberately breaking Linux
12:06 mjg59_; They'd just literally never tested it
12:06 reptilian_thrills; oops
12:06 mjg59_; They fixed their firmware, I fixed Linux
12:06 TR News; Pace of growth of debt in large EU/UK/American economies compared https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/14/national-public-debt-curves-compared-uk-vs-france-germany-italy-and-us/
12:07 TR Bot; Blog Archive National (Public) Debt Curves Compared: UK vs France, Germany, Italy, and US
12:07 mjg59_; So new firmware worked with old Linux, new Linux worked with old firmware
12:07 mjg59_; I still have that motherboard somewhere
12:07 mjg59_; (Foxconn sent me one to fix it)
12:08 mjg59_; Ryan responded to this by using a web service to sign me up to several hundred mailing lists
12:08 reptilian_thrills; lol
12:08 reptilian_thrills; now i understand how this all ties together
12:08 TR News; US: where a company that makes LOSSES can CLAIM to be worth TRILLIONS
12:09 mjg59_; Which I tracked back to a teenager in Canda who was running the website off his cable modem connection because some people he knew on IRC had convinced him it'd be cool
12:09 mjg59_; I threatened to call his parents and he handed over the IP logs
12:09 starstreak; lol
12:09 mjg59_; And it matched Ryan's IRC IP
12:10 mjg59_; (this was 2008, so most ircds still showed the actual hostname or IP)
12:10 starstreak; thats why daemonfc hates you?
12:10 mjg59_; I found the kid's email address because he'd advertised the quake server he was running on a forum, and his username was tied to an email address
12:11 reptilian_thrills; no, dfc hates him because hes black and likes people who are trans
12:11 reptilian_thrills; (technically hes irish but thats even worse)
12:11 mjg59_; I'm actually about as white as it's possible to be without being albino, but
12:12 reptilian_thrills; yeah but who ever heard of "irish privilege"
12:12 mjg59_; Anyway yeah Ryan hates me because I made him look bad in 2008
12:14 mjg59_; Oh ha yeah I forgot that Ryan then signed *himself* up with the spam service to pretend he was also attacked, but did so with a gmail address that wasn't the one he was using
12:14 mjg59_; And then when he blogged about how he was also a victim, he deleted the comment where I pointed that out
12:14 mjg59_; https://mjg59.livejournal.com/97535.html
12:14 TR Bot; What amuses me about complaints about censorship is that they often: mjg59 LiveJournal
12:15 reptilian_thrills; this channel is like every scene of b5 with gkar and londo, except on the set of days of our lives
12:15 mjg59_; I wouldn't actually hold a grudge about that except he still denies it
12:17 mjg59_; I mean maybe this is all about Ryan actually wanting to fuck me? It doesn't seem like that, though
12:17 reptilian_thrills; i dont think your his type
12:17 reptilian_thrills; e
12:17 mjg59_; Yeah I don't get that impression
12:17 mjg59_; It's not an unrequited lust situation
12:17 reptilian_thrills; i did join as ship_roy_and_mjg though
12:18 mjg59_; Awh he fell off so he's not going to see this and respond
12:18 reptilian_thrills; because the tension is ridiculous!
12:18 reptilian_thrills; even the golden gate bridge is like "damn!"
12:18 mjg59_; I do understand the perception there
12:19 TR News; "When there is a version upgrade, the 'init' script in the initrd creates a snapshot of the /mnt/wkg/.session folder as a 'rw-*.sfs' file. For example, when upgraded to Easy 4.4.1, /mnt/wkg/releases/easy-4.4.1/rw-4.4.1.sfs got created." https://bkhome.org/news/202210/cache-folders-excluded-from-snapshots.html
12:19 reptilian_thrills; however, i dont think you have any "misplaced" feelings for roy
12:19 TR Bot; Cache folders excluded from snapshots
12:19 reptilian_thrills; as for roy, i mean hes one giant mystery, cant tell you what he really thinks
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:22 TR News; This patch was FAST https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/166581519416722@kroah.com/
12:22 TR Bot; Linux 6.0.2 - Greg Kroah-Hartman
12:22 mjg59_; I can certainly attest to having no romantic or sexual feelings for roy
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: it's purely about 'secure boot' originally
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; then, years later, the attacks on LT and then RMS
12:23 mjg59_; Oh wow I'd forgotten that Ryan explicitly accused me of signing him up for Spamza
12:23 reptilian_thrills; and poor mr tso
12:24 reptilian_thrills; who seems alright to me
12:26 mjg59_; I think he was brutally wrong on one particular point, and I make no claim about that affecting any other aspect of his communication or behaviour
12:26 mjg59_; Also haha https://mjg59.livejournal.com/96848.html
12:26 TR Bot; To the lovely person who subscribed me to around 200 mailing lists: mjg59 LiveJournal
12:27 TR News; (NEW): Linux Fixes WLAN Flaw http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.gmi
12:27 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Fixes WLAN Flaw
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; oooh, the cards have arrived with new PIN codes
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; on monday we'll carry about 2k pounds in coins/loose change
12:27 mjg59_; Awh the forum post isn't on the internet archive
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; like going to the arcade
12:29 TR News; "Trekarta is released as an open source Libre project under the GPL-3.0 License." https://medevel.com/trekarta/
12:29 TR Bot; Trekarta Is an Open Source App for Hiking, Cycling, and Off-road Activities
12:29 TR News; delete chromeos and install GNU/Linux https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-alternate-browsers-on-your-chromebook/
12:29 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-alternate-browsers-on-your-chromebook/ )
12:30 TR News; 5 Best Digital Wallet Apps for Android to Use on 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-digital-wallet-apps-for-android/
12:30 TR Bot; 5 Best Digital Wallet Apps for Android to Use on 2022
12:31 TR News; Openwashing and pro-software patents cartel are not the solution to this problem https://www.zdnet.com/finance/fintech-giant-the-clearing-house-joins-open-source-patent-protection-powerhouse-oin/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
12:31 TR Bot; giant The Clearing House joins open-source patent protection powerhouse OIN | ZDNET
12:33 TR News; NASAs aircraft will elevate the hunt for critical minerals in the US - The Verge https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/23384988/nasa-usgs-map-critical-minerals-southwest-us-clean-energy Source: The Verge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/23384988/nasa-usgs-map-critical-minerals-southwest-us-clean-energy
12:33 TR Bot; NASAs aircraft will elevate the hunt for critical minerals in the US - The Verge
12:33 TR News; Espionage painted as "SECURITY!!" Metaverse LOLs. https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/10/metaverse-safety-week.html
12:33 TR Bot; The Eponymous Pickle: Metaverse Safety Week Event
12:34 TR News; EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee - Patrick Breyer https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-negotiations-kick-off-commissioner-johansson-defends-controversial-surveillance-law-before-libe-committee/ Source: Patrick Breyer
12:34 TR Bot; EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee Patrick Breyer
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12:35 TR News; eBPF File Watching https://matt-rickard.com/ebpf-file-watching Source: Matt Rickard | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//matt-rickard.com/ebpf-file-watching
12:35 TR Bot; eBPF File Watching
12:36 TR News; Why Is NixOS Popular Again? https://matt-rickard.com/why-is-nixos-popular-again
12:36 TR Bot; Why Is NixOS Popular Again?
12:37 TR News; The Old Computer Challenge 2022 https://box.matto.nl/the-old-computer-challenge-2022.html
12:37 TR Bot; Old Computer Challenge 2022 - box.matto.nl
12:38 TR News; "My plan was to draw one or two sprites for each industry type; tea tree farm, tea factory, tea house. If I had settled for that you'd probably be able to play with that mod right now." https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-10-10-21-hours.html
12:38 TR Bot; 21 Hours - Bjrn Wrmedal
12:40 TR News; Limine version 3.20221014.1 compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202210/limine-version-3202210141-compiled-in-oe.html
12:40 TR Bot; Limine version 3.20221014.1 compiled in OE
12:40 TR News; "After a few busy and stressful months, I decided to set aside October to rest. Of course, for me, rest does not mean a cessation of programming, but rather a shift in priorities towards more fun and experimental projects. Consequently, it has been a great month for Helios!" https://drewdevault.com/2022/10/15/Status-update-October-2022.html
12:40 TR Bot; Status update, October 2022
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13:00 TR News; Self-Referential Fame: Famous for Claiming to Be Famous https://tedium.co/2022/10/14/self-referential-fame-history/ Source: Tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/10/14/self-referential-fame-history/
13:00 TR Bot; Self-Referential Fame: Famous for Claiming to Be Famous
13:01 TR News; "Both Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 and Plasma 5.26 have now hit Manjaro ARMs unstable branch, so it's time to get some testing in before it gets to stable branch." https://blog.strits.dk/plasma-5-26-and-plasma-mobile-gear-22-09/
13:01 TR Bot; Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:37 MinceR; https://i.ibb.co/Fs4KPVc/311666518-547216697405301-3257991382648606889-n.jpg
13:37 MinceR; nvm
13:37 schestowitz[TR]; ha
13:40 schestowitz[TR]; probably a home with kids of something
13:41 TR News; "I've been working with and on container technology for seven years, but I still learn new things every day." https://jmtd.net/log/podman_generate/
13:41 TR Bot; jmtd log podman generate
13:41 MinceR; the work laptop lets me experience what "modern" and "ready for the desktop" are like
13:41 TR News; Windows has BACK DOORS. Never ever use a password manager on Windows, no matter what software runs on it. https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/manage-your-passwords-on-windows-with-buttercup/
13:41 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/manage-your-passwords-on-windows-with-buttercup/ )
13:41 MinceR; today it froze solid while resuming from hibernation
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13:41 MinceR; then it rebooted again
13:42 MinceR; i'm sure dehomag and MICROS~1 can implement both of these things in Gnome OS
13:42 MinceR; the audio stack being a useless pile of shit is probably already there thanks to poetteringaudio
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; fedora ambassador: lol, buy a new pc, neckbeard
13:45 MinceR; tell my employer to replace that laptop, then
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; :-)
13:45 MinceR; it's out of my hands :)
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; russian ambassar: get out of ukraine then
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; (to ukrainians)
13:45 MinceR; no u
13:46 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
13:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
13:47 TR News; [GIT PULL] sched/psi changes for v6.1 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Y0krqnKlHb%2Fgp9Za@gmail.com/T/#u Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/Y0krqnKlHb%2Fgp9Za@gmail.com/T/#u
13:47 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] sched/psi changes for v6.1
13:48 TR News; Pulse Sensor with Raspberry PI Pico: Hearth Beat Chech with MicroPython https://peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/ Source: peppe8o | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/
13:48 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/ )
13:49 TR News; 6 Top Free and Open Source Rust Web Micro-Frameworks - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-rust-web-micro-frameworks/ Source: Linux Links | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-rust-web-micro-frameworks/
13:49 TR Bot; Top Free and Open Source Rust Web Micro-Frameworks - LinuxLinks
13:50 TR News; "In my quest to build my Offline-First typewriter, Im developing Offpunk, an offline-first, command-line based Gemini client (forked from AV-98 by Solderpunk)." gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/
14:02 MinceR; (nsfw) https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/kiddickman.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-kiddickman#comic )
14:02 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
14:14 schestowitz[TR]; [bill gates clicks]
14:14 schestowitz[TR]; no...
14:14 schestowitz[TR]; [rick allen jones clicks]
14:15 schestowitz[TR]; [and saves to portable disk]
14:17 MinceR; (dog) https://i.ibb.co/JRQ3V6g/unknown-133.png
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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16:17 whitenigga; hey dawgs
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16:33 starstreak; linucks btw
16:34 whitenigga; linucks?
16:36 starstreak; linux is pronounced "linucks"
16:39 whitenigga; lol dawg
16:43 starstreak; attack surface
16:43 starstreak; there should be an easier way to insert emojis
16:43 starstreak; i have to copy pasta them
16:45 whitenigga; starstreak: dawg, im surprised im seeing them. im on a terminal and irssi
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16:52 starstreak; unicode btw
16:55 schestowitz; LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774 Source: uni Indiana | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774
16:55 TR Bot; LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features
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16:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions
16:58 whitenigga; https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/14/tech/apple-store-union-oklahoma/index.html
16:58 TR Bot; at second Apple store vote to join union | CNN Business
16:58 TR News; LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774 Source: uni Indiana | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 127.36
17:00 starstreak; https://www.businessinsider.com/equifax-fires-employees-for-working-two-jobs-2022-10
17:00 TR Bot; Equifax Fires Employees for Working Two Jobs
17:10 TR News; Fake 'rich' people (or people deep in debt) like to openly brag that they are "rich" as long as that lasts (the pretence is all they have going for them). Rich people tend to keep more quiet about it. There are exceptions to all this, but in "modern society" it has become prevalent.
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17:43 psydruid; Corporations trying to control people in an era in which those very same corporations are obsolete
17:43 psydruid; "Rich" people can have as many "jobs" as they want but employees must be owned 100% of the time
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17:58 reptilian_thrills; gee tee kay, or as i call it, jitik
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17:58 reptilian_thrills; jitik is part of the TROLL desktop
17:59 reptilian_thrills; theres a fork called mate, which stands for "mate is your mate, but troll just wants to bend you over"
18:00 reptilian_thrills; theyre waiting for enough people to like troll, then theyll scrap it and make it worse
18:00 reptilian_thrills; then when people who liked it are sad, theyll call them neckbeards which isnt racist
18:02 reptilian_thrills; troll 3 is more than a decade old, troll 5 is better, it only needs 12 cores
18:03 reptilian_thrills; (troll doesnt actually needs lots of cores, it likes ram though)
18:03 reptilian_thrills; alternatively troll will just become the desktop environment in systemd
18:04 reptilian_thrills; systemd-trolld
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18:07 starstreak; linucks btw :D
18:07 reptilian_thrills; systemd-linucksd
18:08 reptilian_thrills; roy told me yesterday, i might end up with bsd/alpine
18:08 reptilian_thrills; i told him i can think of worse things
18:09 starstreak; did openbsd put code on github?
18:09 reptilian_thrills; openbsd has a mirror-- funnily enough, i once thought openbsd was on github
18:09 reptilian_thrills; someone said "thats just a mirror" and i checked, and they were right
18:09 starstreak; ahh like haiku
18:09 reptilian_thrills; this was before wesley snipes (and before i switched to bsd)
18:09 reptilian_thrills; like haiku
18:09 reptilian_thrills; <- exactly like haiku, except
18:10 starstreak; gnome is hosted on gitlab
18:10 reptilian_thrills; with openbsd i had trusted wikipedia. this was back when my github radar was very new and unsophisticated
18:10 reptilian_thrills; yes, troll is hosted on gitlab
18:10 reptilian_thrills; after someone pointed out that openbsd was on github i audited my entire list of like 100 or so items
18:11 reptilian_thrills; by hand
18:11 reptilian_thrills; i found like 3 or maybe 4 items that were mirrors or otherwise a mistake
18:11 reptilian_thrills; so it was pretty accurate but more accuracy is better
18:12 reptilian_thrills; with haiku i simply remembered a project being github based because they had a repo there
18:13 reptilian_thrills; but its a true mirror, and i dont count those. anybody can copy a freesw project to a mirror
18:13 reptilian_thrills; and people frequently do
18:15 reptilian_thrills; everything written in perl is under a perl license
18:15 reptilian_thrills; but there is no perl license
18:16 reptilian_thrills; isnt that weird
18:16 starstreak; everyone who uses perl is mentally handicapped anyway
18:16 starstreak; thats probably why
18:17 reptilian_thrills; everyone who uses perl is mentally handicapped anyway <- autistic lesbians can say that
18:17 reptilian_thrills; at least irish autistic lesbians can
18:17 starstreak;
18:18 starstreak; did your irc client process that emoji?
18:18 reptilian_thrills; nice hat
18:18 starstreak; its a halo
18:18 starstreak; im an angel
18:18 reptilian_thrills; id sooner believe its a hat :)
18:19 reptilian_thrills; /me has a halo too O:)
18:19 reptilian_thrills; though from here it looks a bit like a mike and ike
18:19 starstreak;
18:19 reptilian_thrills; i should probably say mike and icke
18:19 starstreak; icke <3
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18:20 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rD5He3U-te0
18:20 TR Bot; Trip Through Your Wires (Remastered 2007) - Invidious
18:20 starstreak;
18:21 starstreak; i have to copy and paste these from a website lol
18:21 reptilian_thrills; not me
18:21 reptilian_thrills;
18:21 starstreak; thank god for unicode
18:21 reptilian_thrills; thank god for unicode <- im more likely to worship satan than thank god for unicode
18:22 starstreak; whats wrong with worshipping Satan?
18:22 reptilian_thrills; of course theres very little difference, unicode is digital satanism
18:22 reptilian_thrills; whats wrong with worshipping Satan <- i dunno, it makes the baby jesus cry
18:22 reptilian_thrills; so does unicode
18:22 starstreak; Satan is a badass
18:22 starstreak; the first rebel
18:22 reptilian_thrills; if you like satan you should probably like dfc too
18:23 starstreak; nah
18:23 starstreak; satan doesn't even like nazis
18:23 reptilian_thrills; ha
18:23 reptilian_thrills; fair point
18:23 reptilian_thrills; the first rebel <- does he have a flag
18:23 reptilian_thrills; id ask if he was alt-right but you were inb4 ben shapiro
18:24 reptilian_thrills; theres just one problem, ben! whos gonna worship alt-right satan, aquaman?
18:24 reptilian_thrills; /me pictures aquaman doing a black mass
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18:26 starstreak; nazi furries: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg
18:26 reptilian_thrills; i had a bartender once who was wearing a shirt that said "angel or devil?"
18:26 reptilian_thrills; which i thought was a great shirt for a bartender because of the song
18:26 reptilian_thrills; "angel or devil, i was thirsty, and you wet my lips"
18:27 reptilian_thrills; bono is a guilty pleasure. hes the jersey short of musicians
18:27 reptilian_thrills; shore
18:27 reptilian_thrills; jersey short is a remake with just little people
18:27 reptilian_thrills; its like the wizard of oz but mafia
18:27 reptilian_thrills; /me is going to get a horse head on his pillow
18:28 reptilian_thrills; or a pony.
18:30 reptilian_thrills; jersey short is a remake with just little people <- peter dinklage plays ronnie
18:32 whitenigga; midgets are hot dawg
18:32 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6_W_xLWtNa0
18:32 TR Bot; Shy Ronnie 2: Ronnie & Clyde (feat. Rihanna) - Invidious
18:32 whitenigga; there is this hot female midget at my grocery store
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18:33 whitenigga; i dont have the confidence to ask her out
18:33 whitenigga; i'd love to bang a midget
18:33 reptilian_thrills; midget bangerz #11
18:33 whitenigga; pornhub has quite a lot of midget videos
18:34 reptilian_thrills; but when i look for them there i alwaye come up short
18:34 whitenigga; LOL
18:34 reptilian_thrills; rihanna should wear that every day
18:35 reptilian_thrills; in fact she should give up music (not that shes terrible by any means) and just rob banks, that would be awesome
18:35 reptilian_thrills; if i was a bank id give her all my money
18:35 whitenigga; i wouldn't even press the robbery button
18:36 whitenigga; no dye packs for her either
18:37 reptilian_thrills; HAHAAAAAAAA!
18:37 *starstreak vapes and blows a cloud of smoke into the channel
18:38 whitenigga; i can't get enough of that midget booty
18:38 whitenigga; mmmmmmmmmm
18:38 reptilian_thrills; TOODALOOOO
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18:39 starstreak; i use arch linux btw
18:39 reptilian_thrills; linucks
18:39 starstreak; attack surface <3
18:39 reptilian_thrills; phanes is here for jersey short
18:39 *whitenigga imagines slapping the booty of a midget
18:39 whitenigga; lord have mercy
18:40 *phanes starts placing bets on how many packages he's installed from "reputable repos" that ended up being malware
18:40 phanes; re: arch linux
18:40 starstreak; im a she
18:40 phanes; whatever
18:41 starstreak; i got a picture of phanes hanging out with his friends: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg
18:41 reptilian_thrills; /me thought phanes was referring to himself
18:41 phanes; why is it always nazis with you people
18:42 whitenigga; lol starstreak, thats cooooold blooded
18:42 reptilian_thrills; and only one of them is a wolf?
18:42 reptilian_thrills; why is it always nazis with you people <- because mike godwin is dead
18:43 whitenigga; godwin's law doesn't apply anymore because of all the actual nazis
18:43 reptilian_thrills; <starstreak> i got a picture of phanes hanging out with his friends: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg <- wait, this isnt the KISS reunion tour
18:43 phanes; godwin's law doesn't apply because godwin was only attached to the center of human consciousness while he was alive and when he died we lost memes
18:43 phanes; forever
18:44 reptilian_thrills; simmons: i support invading every middle eastern country EXCEPT israel of course
18:44 phanes; all people do is produce cheap rebrands of prior existing memes hoping to recreate the magic but we're really all just passing around the corpses of memes
18:44 reptilian_thrills; all people do is produce cheap rebrands of prior existing memes hoping to recreate the magic <- not me, im years behind on this shit
18:44 whitenigga; sounds like phanes is a nerd dawg
18:44 reptilian_thrills; i just discovered OPPALANCE OPPALANCE like 2 days ago
18:45 reptilian_thrills; i say it walking down the street waving my arms around
18:45 reptilian_thrills; "you own everthing!"
18:46 reptilian_thrills; /me is the meme equivalent of anne hathaway in devil wears prada wearing a bargain bin shirt that meryl streep put at the forefront years before
18:48 reptilian_thrills; i just discovered hawaiian shirts are a thing
18:48 phanes; thats because you live in a cave
18:48 reptilian_thrills; close enough, ive never been on the internets
18:48 starstreak; thats because he uses openbsd
18:48 reptilian_thrills; rofl
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18:49 reptilian_thrills; thats because he uses openbsd <- hey i had to wait for a driver for my nic ok
18:49 phanes; lol
18:49 reptilian_thrills; i spent a decade or so trying to get wireless to gave up and then i discovered ethernet
18:50 reptilian_thrills; to be fair part of that was in freebsd
18:50 reptilian_thrills; /me checks to make sure the coax on his network card isnt loose
18:51 reptilian_thrills; i was using a null modem cable on rs232 but it turns out thats pretty slow
18:53 phanes; honestly freebsd is a fine system for personal use or even server use if you don't try to scale out
18:53 phanes; linux is in the process of being hijacked
18:54 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> linux is in the process of being hijacked <- thats why i bailed
18:54 MinceR; if you don't mind the CoC, the MICROS~1 and crApple influence, and the community being mostly Backdoors and crapOS users desperately looking for some street cred
18:54 reptilian_thrills; if i thought i could stop this by staying with penguinshit i would stick around longer
18:54 MinceR; FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was
18:54 reptilian_thrills; FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was <- howso
18:55 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=16na-CG5skA
18:55 TR Bot; Penguin poops on friend - Invidious
18:55 MinceR; 15 195436 < reptilian_thrills> FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was <- howso
18:55 MinceR; MICROS~1 and crApple influence, then they forced a CoC on the project
18:56 phanes; its not just the CoC
18:56 phanes; the CoC is a strategic resource placement and PR tool
18:56 reptilian_thrills; fwiw i believe they dialed down the coc to remove the worst bullshit
18:56 MinceR; yeah, for the occupying corporations
18:56 reptilian_thrills; this isnt a pro-coc stance
18:56 reptilian_thrills; but they also develop their package management on github
18:57 reptilian_thrills; of freebsd and netbsd and openbsd, freebsd is the most github-entrenched
18:57 reptilian_thrills; roy implied they were considering leaving, which may be true, but i doubt they ever left
18:57 MinceR; a standard CoC lists comfortable excuses for removing people the corporate overlords don't like from the project and assigns the power to do so to a specific group of suits
18:57 reptilian_thrills; a standard CoC lists comfortable excuses for removing people the corporate overlords don't like from the project and assigns the power to do so to a specific group of suits <- this is the general problem with cocs
18:58 reptilian_thrills; they exist for one alleged purpose and are invariably used to cancel people who make trouble for corporations
18:58 reptilian_thrills; tso, stallman, appelbaum
18:58 reptilian_thrills; it turns out the progressive side of the tech industry consists entirely of people who have violated mjgs partner in some fashion
18:58 reptilian_thrills; which im not saying didnt happen
18:58 reptilian_thrills; but thats pretty bizarre
18:59 MinceR; i don't even know what "progressive" means
18:59 reptilian_thrills; thats why youre miserable and cynical and misanthropic
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 43.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.06
18:59 reptilian_thrills; but, it may be the other way around-- you might be those things BECAUSE you dont know what progressive means
18:59 reptilian_thrills; wait, i said that already
18:59 reptilian_thrills; anyway, strike that, reverse it
19:00 reptilian_thrills; actually its because youre an anarchist
19:00 MinceR; sounds like "progressive" means "delusional"
19:00 whitenigga; yo dawg thats pretty harsh
19:00 reptilian_thrills; whcih is a perfectly reasonable thing to be in theory
19:01 *phanes puts on some progressive rock
19:01 *starstreak runs an age detection algorithm
19:01 reptilian_thrills; but in practice it means "lets fix the world OOH SHINY THINGS-- HEY EVERYBODY STONE HIM, HE SAID RACIST THINGS ABOUT JEHOVAH!"
19:01 reptilian_thrills; "now look, just because i said racist things about jehovah..." *everybody throws rocks*
19:01 *starstreak reads the screen, it has determined that phanes is in fact a boomer
19:01 phanes; im only 37
19:02 starstreak; why do you act like a boomer?
19:02 reptilian_thrills; /me met a guy who is only 37 the other day, it must be phanes
19:02 starstreak; what kind of millenial listens to progressive rock
19:02 reptilian_thrills; what kind of millenial listens to progressive rock <- lol :D
19:02 phanes; my gen is xennials
19:02 phanes; we're kind of between the Xers and the Mers
19:03 starstreak; fair enough
19:03 phanes; we watched it all grow up
19:03 phanes; you guys just use the shit we built
19:03 starstreak; im the same age tho and i like shit like rap, pop and synthwave
19:03 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> you guys just use the shit we built <- ok THATS boomer talk right there
19:03 starstreak; im also 37
19:03 phanes; eh? use anything that doesn't rest on the C layer of your OS lately?
19:04 reptilian_thrills; hell thats the boomer santa song that chevy sang in community
19:04 starstreak; i use arch/systemd/gnome btw
19:04 phanes; cue the shitposting about how rust and go have really made viable foundational progress despite having never breached the niche wall
19:04 reptilian_thrills; baby boomer santa! i give you the WORLD!
19:04 starstreak; go is fun
19:04 phanes; or having formed a standard with which the language can evolve
19:05 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> you guys just use the shit we built https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OOSOGB406Ec
19:05 TR Bot; Baby Boomer Santa | Community - Invidious
19:05 phanes; you guys are making toy cabins out of boomer poop while whining about boomers
19:05 phanes; know any mellinials who are building viable kernels?
19:06 phanes; at this point we have the highest hopes for your kids
19:06 phanes; maybe their kids
19:06 starstreak; theres probably a lot of millenials working on linux
19:06 phanes; boomer poop
19:06 reptilian_thrills; "your generation INVENTED music!"
19:06 reptilian_thrills; "i dunno about invented... perfected maybe"
19:07 starstreak; haiku os
19:07 phanes; we spat out a generation of emotionally fragile, broken identities that can't focus on anything long enough to earn the status they cry-scream demands to be given
19:07 reptilian_thrills; "santa fought at woodstock, and vietnam, and smoked a tonne of acid..."
19:07 reptilian_thrills; we spat out a generation of emotionally fragile, broken identities <- thats mostly the an-coms though
19:08 phanes; ive put up with shit on the reg since the 90s that would break most of y'all lol
19:08 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, whats wrong with anarchy
19:08 reptilian_thrills; i dunno man i grew up being tortured and terrorised on a daily basis
19:08 reptilian_thrills; reptilian_thrills, whats wrong with anarchy <- nothing actually
19:09 starstreak; down with tankies
19:09 reptilian_thrills; down with tankies <- if only
19:09 reptilian_thrills; but an-coms are into friendly fire, they always miss the tankies.
19:09 starstreak; centrists are the worst tho
19:10 reptilian_thrills; "hey guys, look, tankies" "hold on, let me reload i just pumped 8 magazines into my comrades"
19:10 reptilian_thrills; yes everyone should work together to destroy the centrists
19:10 phanes; centrists are fine
19:10 starstreak; What do we want!? Wall! When do we want it? Wall!
19:10 phanes; you can't get rid of the normies
19:10 reptilian_thrills; <starstreak> What do we want!? Wall! When do we want it? Wall! <- maybe he save perl (just kidding)
19:11 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> you can't get rid of the normies <- we can frame them for hate crimes
19:11 starstreak; lol no reptilian_thrills
19:11 starstreak; i got the best idea
19:11 reptilian_thrills; tso is innocent
19:11 phanes; yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further
19:11 phanes; which is notably nonexistent but still
19:11 starstreak; once the revolution is over, the centrists will participate in the first annual hunger games
19:11 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- thats exactly what it does, yes
19:11 phanes; keep your options opoen
19:11 phanes; *open
19:12 reptilian_thrills; #techrights : 10/15/22 18:11 <reptilian_thrills> <phanes> yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- im only humourously endorsing what has already happened
19:12 reptilian_thrills; in protest
19:13 reptilian_thrills; but the more i humourously endorse it the more i outline whats stupid about it in fine detail
19:13 phanes; the reason these stains shit their pants when i get roped in is because i never compromise my morality, which is known to involve a striving for truth
19:13 reptilian_thrills; for example: <phanes> yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- thats exactly what it does, yes
19:13 phanes; it doesn't sound like much but imagine if all their adversaries did that
19:13 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> the reason these stains shit their pants when i get roped in is because i never compromise my morality, which is known to involve a striving for truth <- and thats why starstreak mistook me for you
19:13 reptilian_thrills; i dont. she did.
19:14 phanes; no you are a crazy flat earth lizard-people conspiracy theorist
19:14 phanes; in your case you should lie about that
19:14 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> no you are a crazy flat earth lizard-people conspiracy theorist <- crazy perhaps. flat earth no. lizard people (nicks aside) no. youre confusing me with starstreak.
19:14 reptilian_thrills; <- not an icke guy
19:14 phanes; one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying
19:14 starstreak; earth isn't flat
19:15 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying <- and yet ive agreed with every point youve made about cocs and cancel culture
19:15 starstreak; "<phanes> one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying" <- he says right after calling me crazy
19:16 reptilian_thrills; he says right after calling me crazy <- thats true
19:16 phanes; so if you spout out a bunch of shit about lizard people and underground cave-dwelling civilizations being hidden in a conspiracy, out of the gate you're reduced to either being crazy or a liar. you disqualify yourself from the struggles of civilization immediately with it.
19:16 phanes; surely you know this already
19:16 starstreak; i've done the research and it all points underground
19:17 phanes; lol
19:17 reptilian_thrills; if you spout out a bunch of shit about lizard people and underground cave-dwelling civilizations being hidden in a conspiracy <- and if i dont?
19:17 starstreak; as above, so below
19:17 phanes; that's not even close to what that phrase means starstreak
19:17 starstreak; the phrase has multiple meanings
19:17 phanes; yes and you know none of them
19:17 starstreak; its masonic
19:17 reptilian_thrills; also im not sure sanity is a prerequisite for fixing the world
19:18 reptilian_thrills; youd have to be crazy to think its possible and crazier to try
19:18 phanes; there are different kinds of crazy
19:18 whitenigga; starstreak: you're one crazy nigga
19:18 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> there are different kinds of craz <- this is one of my theses
19:18 reptilian_thrills; crazy isnt optional. theres only better kinds of crazy and worse kinds-- the key is to go for a better kind.
19:19 starstreak; autizmophrenia
19:19 starstreak; a combination of autism and schitzophrenia
19:19 phanes; there's "i think we can make a positive impact on society" crazy and "I think sentient lizards control invisible reigns of human civilization in their unending war with underground neanderthals, because hollow earth" crazy, which comes with a whole bunch of other crazy as the mind disease worsens
19:19 starstreak; thats the kind you want
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19:20 starstreak; the moon is hollow too
19:20 phanes; lol
19:20 starstreak; its a space station
19:20 starstreak; it mind controls the planet
19:20 phanes; i really hope you're just joking and that you aren't this batshit crazy
19:20 reptilian_thrills; <starstreak> autizmophrenia <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lpreoBdQ8cs
19:21 TR Bot; Phoenix - Lisztomania (Music Video) - Invidious
19:21 starstreak; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I
19:21 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I
19:21 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I )
19:21 starstreak; Autizmophrenia, the ultimate in neurodivergence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I
19:23 reptilian_thrills; high functioning autistics really only need the right circumstances lent to them for them to help save the world
19:23 phanes; not really
19:23 reptilian_thrills; of course you could replace "high functioning autistics" with quite a few other groups in that phrase
19:23 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> not really <- thats one hell of a refutation
19:23 phanes; most high functioning autists would destroy everything theyve ever loved if they had an influence over anything
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19:24 reptilian_thrills; if they had an influence <- influence comes in degrees
19:24 starstreak; :(
19:24 phanes; most high functioning neurotypicals would destroy everything they love too
19:24 reptilian_thrills; your rhetoric implies they would be better off chained up to a wall
19:24 reptilian_thrills; of course this is a false dichotomoy-- but thats exactly my point
19:24 starstreak; im autistic
19:24 phanes; not chained to a wall, just....not in charge
19:24 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> not chained to a wall, just....not in charge <- youre halfway there already
19:24 phanes; im not autistic but alot of normies think i am
19:25 reptilian_thrills; who should be in charge
19:25 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> im not autistic but alot of normies think i am <- too much credit
19:25 reptilian_thrills; youre like a horseshoe theory normie-- so normie you seem like a savant
19:25 phanes; maybe
19:25 reptilian_thrills; "hes almost autistically normie"
19:26 phanes; thing is though
19:26 reptilian_thrills; <reptilian_thrills> who should be in charge
19:26 phanes; i can go into /most/ areas that are dominated by HFAs
19:26 phanes; and run circles around most of them
19:26 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> and run circles around most of them <- so can any narcissist
19:26 reptilian_thrills; and while you dont yet strike me as a narcissist
19:26 phanes; not quite a polymath, i can chase pretty much any endeavour of mind i want
19:26 reptilian_thrills; some of your rhetoric is hard to explain any other way
19:27 phanes; some attributes of narcissism are positive traits
19:27 phanes; i haver studied them a great deal
19:27 phanes; *have
19:27 reptilian_thrills; i can chase pretty much any endeavour of mind i want <- sounds like grayden from what planet are you from
19:27 reptilian_thrills; he has a highly evolved mind that can heal any wound
19:27 reptilian_thrills; so john goodman shoots him in the head and he dies
19:28 reptilian_thrills; "i always thought that heal any wound thing was bullshit"-- one of the aliens
19:28 phanes; yeah if a divergence emerges that can do that, the immediate response would probably be to kill it tbh
19:28 reptilian_thrills; missing the point that he was making it up
19:29 phanes; ok
19:29 reptilian_thrills; it was a bluff
19:29 phanes; i mean
19:29 phanes; i dont like
19:29 reptilian_thrills; "dont bother attacking me, im invincible"
19:29 phanes; need your validation man
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19:31 MinceR; 15 200140 < reptilian_thrills> "now look, just because i said racist things about jehovah..." *everybody throws rocks*
19:31 MinceR; Stop! Stop, will you?! Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Jehovah'.
19:31 phanes; lol
19:31 MinceR; 15 200520 < phanes> you guys are making toy cabins out of boomer poop while whining about boomers
19:31 MinceR; ew
19:32 phanes; its true though lol
19:32 MinceR; 15 201011 < reptilian_thrills> yes everyone should work together to destroy the centrists
19:32 MinceR; don't worry, all of the human species are working on it
19:32 phanes; they destroyed their kids but they built the world with scales that haven't been reproduced
19:33 MinceR; all the humans will be destroyed. including the centrists.
19:34 phanes; i wonder if they pull his internet connection on days he doesn't take his schizoid meds
19:34 MinceR; whose
19:35 phanes; whoever that nutjob i was just talking to is
19:35 MinceR; lol
19:35 MinceR; no, he just comes and goes
19:35 starstreak; reptilian_thrills is a nutjob?
19:35 MinceR; he's one of the saner people here, afaict
19:35 starstreak; i guess everyone is a nutjob
19:35 phanes; sorry i might be confusing people. isn't he the lizard people one
19:35 starstreak; he says im a nutjob
19:35 starstreak; phanes, im the one with the conspiracy website
19:36 Helenah; o.o
19:36 phanes; oh, i misunderstood. i misattributed to someone else the batshit insanity that belongs to you.
19:36 starstreak; phanes, https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/neanderthal-agenda.html
19:36 TR Bot; Cerberus Investigations - The Neanderthal Agenda
19:36 phanes; im not clicking on that
19:37 starstreak; reptilian_thrills is actually matey
19:38 whitenigga; starstreak: dawg that shit is crazy yo
19:38 MinceR; hi not clicking on that, i'm dad
19:38 *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@dhbexrjppffwu.irc) has joined #techrights
19:38 reptilian_thrills; anyway its shallow ableist thinking that honestly belives hfas cant be in charge
19:38 MinceR; lol
19:38 phanes; seems like i was reading an article a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away that people who believe they were abducted by aliens, believe in lizard people and all that are dealing wiht repressed traumatic events involving much more mundane circumstances that theyre not processing
19:38 Helenah; https://files.catbox.moe/46lwn4.jpg
19:38 MinceR; what's "hfas"?
19:39 reptilian_thrills; it shows shallow thinking about hfas-- shallow thinking about what "in charge" means, and a shallow (selective) take on history
19:39 reptilian_thrills; particularly of the free software movement.
19:39 phanes; Helenah, is that a tumor?
19:39 Helenah; phanes: Yep
19:39 reptilian_thrills; phipps would sympathise but his thinking belongs in a prison camp
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19:39 phanes; Helenah, dammit i was hoping you'd pull a schwarzeneggar ITS NOT A TUMAH
19:39 phanes; sorry to hear that. malignant?
19:39 MinceR; lol
19:39 Helenah; I put the green circle there to get people to focus on where they should be looking.
19:39 *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@dhbexrjppffwu.irc) has joined #techrights
19:39 reptilian_thrills; mincer: high functioning autistics
19:40 starstreak; welcome back reptilian_thrills
19:40 MinceR; ic
19:40 Helenah; phanes: Maybe I'm not human but instead humanoid. :3
19:40 MinceR; i think no one should be in charge
19:40 reptilian_thrills; <MinceR> i think no one should be in charge <- thats why i kept asking phanes who should be in charge
19:40 reptilian_thrills; man dominates man to his own detriment
19:40 phanes; reptilian_thrills, what is shallow thinking is the belief that humans don't align to sociopolitical hierarchies at an instinctual level with drivers that can't be overcome without destroying everyone
19:40 MinceR; and i will have my way, but probably through a really painful process
19:41 reptilian_thrills; but i dont think smashing archy is the answer
19:41 MinceR; it will smash itself
19:41 reptilian_thrills; i think archy is a bomb, and if you smash it we die
19:41 reptilian_thrills; if you disarm it and then dismantle it, great.
19:41 MinceR; and once all the humans are dead, none of them will be able to be in charge of anything or anyone
19:41 reptilian_thrills; <MinceR> it will smash itself <- yeah but you dont care if we die
19:41 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I'm an HFA. :3
19:41 reptilian_thrills; youve already accepted the worse option
19:41 MinceR; i do care, but i don't have significant control over it
19:41 reptilian_thrills; others would like to disarm and dismantle it
19:42 reptilian_thrills; <MinceR> i do care <- ok but some people who care havent given up yet
19:42 MinceR; too bad, they don't have significant control over it either
19:42 phanes; what is also shallow thinking is that you need to be perpetually happy to experience a good life
19:42 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Accepted what worse option?
19:42 reptilian_thrills; and theyre PROBABLY deluded, but if they try thats a good kind of deluded, especially if theres any chance of it working
19:42 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> what is also shallow thinking is that you need to be perpetually happy to experience a good life
19:42 reptilian_thrills; <- oh im against mandatory happiness
19:42 MinceR; well, might as well pass the time in some way
19:42 MinceR; it doesn't hurt to try
19:42 reptilian_thrills; its a vice
19:43 MinceR; reptilian_thrills: Friend Computer disapproves.
19:43 *Helenah is confused
19:43 reptilian_thrills; mandatory happiness is mind control, gaslighting, bullying
19:43 Helenah; I'm not sure what I've accepted...
19:43 phanes; pursuing happiness and joy is a fiend mindset
19:43 MinceR; is it?
19:43 phanes; yes
19:43 reptilian_thrills; "im sorry you were beaten and raped. just be positive!"
19:43 Helenah; Right, well I'm still confused! :D
19:43 MinceR; sounds like there are even more fiends than i thought there were
19:43 phanes; it's the same mentality that wants to rob you and sell your things to buy meth
19:44 MinceR; including nonhumans
19:44 reptilian_thrills; "really if you put your mind to it everything will be fine"
19:44 Helenah; So please clear up the confusion! :3
19:44 reptilian_thrills; there are even more fiends than i thought there were <- personally im not surprised
19:44 Helenah; Or I'm just going to flush this entire conversation out of my brain and it will be to me like it never happened.
19:45 MinceR; lol
19:45 reptilian_thrills; i have faith in humanity, but ive seen a lot of fiends.
19:45 reptilian_thrills; i know more are lurking
19:45 reptilian_thrills; only i figured out its not the majority of humanity so its cool
19:45 reptilian_thrills; if you spend too much time around liars it makes you cynical
19:45 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Seriously dude, ignoring me just isn't cool...
19:45 reptilian_thrills; and liars ARE "in charge"
19:45 phanes; i want to say most people are just oxygen conversion machines peppered with moments of experience
19:46 reptilian_thrills; thats why its so fucking dubious that phanes focuses on the neurodiverse when all the cunts destroying the world are normies
19:46 reptilian_thrills; (except the an-coms. but its complicated)
19:46 reptilian_thrills; we need the an-coms, imo.
19:46 phanes; i have no issue with the neurodiverse
19:46 phanes; i just don't think they should be in charge most of the time
19:46 reptilian_thrills; but theres a nuance
19:46 reptilian_thrills; and they dont do nuance well, which is why theyre always saying nuance
19:46 Helenah; phanes: Explain?
19:46 reptilian_thrills; <phanes> i just don't think they should be in charge most of the time <- thats fair but also makes the whole thing a bit moot
19:47 reptilian_thrills; they ARENT in charge most of the time
19:47 reptilian_thrills; they likely never would be
19:47 Helenah; Just because someone is neurodivergent, doesn't mean they're not capacitated to be in say leadership roles.
19:47 phanes; Helenah, HFAs tend to lack empathy which is a critical experiential component of leadership
19:47 Helenah; And they can actaully make very good leaders.
19:47 reptilian_thrills; unless you mean a real example-- like something non-theretical
19:47 Helenah; phanes: I definitely have empathy.
19:47 reptilian_thrills; at that point we dont have to argue about abstractions
19:47 reptilian_thrills; we can just talk about history
19:47 reptilian_thrills; the best example is stallman, and the whole movement is a dumpster fire that spent decades trying to dethrone him
19:48 reptilian_thrills; granted he should have stepped down. just not entirely.
19:48 reptilian_thrills; and not under any circumstances like this dumpster fire
19:48 phanes; he is someone that needs to delegate portions of his leadership to cover his blind spots
19:48 phanes; and doesn't have the sense to
19:48 reptilian_thrills; the whole movement <- which no longer exists
19:48 phanes; because he struggles with empathy
19:48 Helenah; Oh dear...
19:48 reptilian_thrills; because he struggles with empathy <- its a shame you dont understand autism better
19:48 reptilian_thrills; most people dont
19:48 MinceR; 15 204707 < Helenah> Just because someone is neurodivergent, doesn't mean they're not capacitated to be in say leadership roles.
19:49 Helenah; Stallman will shoot someone down for their differences in a heart beat just for the sake of it...
19:49 MinceR; no one is
19:49 Helenah; And yep he really lacks empathy.
19:49 phanes; not everyone who says things you don't like misunderstands what they're talking about
19:49 MinceR; "leadership" is one of the most harmful memes inhabiting humans
19:49 Helenah; He can't even try to place himself in someone elses shoes and try to imagine what it would be like.
19:49 reptilian_thrills; not everyone who says things you don't like <- strawman
19:49 reptilian_thrills; what youre saying isnt entirely accurate
19:49 reptilian_thrills; its not about preference
19:49 Helenah; So therefore he can never have a true understanding of other peoples differences.
19:49 Helenah; This extends into misogyny with him btw.
19:50 reptilian_thrills; sometimes youre going to meet someone who knows more about a subject (or an aspect of that subject) than you do
19:50 phanes; Helenah, exactly why he needs to use a reverential leadership style that delegates most of the decisions to others
19:50 reptilian_thrills; you dont seem prepared for that to happen
19:50 reptilian_thrills; you seem used to being right about everything
19:50 reptilian_thrills; or more right
19:50 phanes; reptilian_thrills, happens all the time. it just isn't happening now.
19:50 Helenah; 18:49:11 phanes | not everyone who says things you don't like misunderstands what they're talking about
19:50 reptilian_thrills; ok well youre only 37
19:50 *phanes shrugs
19:50 reptilian_thrills; when you grow up youll understand better
19:50 Helenah; I'm not sure if the "like" thing was because you interpreted me as not liking something you said.
19:51 Helenah; But I for certain haven't once been hurt.
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19:51 phanes; Helenah, no that was directed to reptilian_thrills
19:51 Helenah; Oh!
19:52 Helenah; Yes, I agree with that but even the top most members of the board would prefer to favour him over members of the organisation under themselves so a lot of people need removing even if he is to change his ways of doing leadership.
19:52 phanes; Helenah, and to stallman's credit on that topic, he was hit with some stuff that takes a rather nuanced and adversarial perspective to navigate
19:52 Helenah; hmm
19:54 Helenah; Well I wouldn't fault the guy 100% but he has done things which is asking for trouble such as the time when he picked his toes and ate whatever he got off them, skin, nail, whatever. It wasn't his action that was the problem, it was the time and place it was done in, the fact that he was the centre of attention by lots of people.
19:54 phanes; of course
19:54 Helenah; And most people don't want to watch someone else pick at their feet.
19:54 Helenah; And you're bound to have people saying things to him.
19:54 phanes; the pedo email thread was...unfortunate
19:54 *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@6v8cjbvydcdre.irc) has joined #techrights
19:55 reptilian_thrills; i mean if i wanted to talk to simon phipps i could just talk to simon phipps
19:55 reptilian_thrills; i dont need this cheap cloying knockoff version
19:55 Helenah; pedophilia is very taboo, just talking about it can get you into a lot of shit even if your points are valid and even right.
19:55 phanes; he should've had the self awareness to realize what he was stepping into as he explored his morality internally
19:55 reptilian_thrills; be careful or youll end up like eric s raymond
19:55 phanes; what's wrong with ESR
19:55 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Explain?
19:56 Helenah; And what's with the constant stream of vagueness?
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19:57 Helenah; Oh yeah I forgot, I'm just wasting my time asking you questions, you pretend I'm not even here.
19:57 Helenah; So the question I asked? It doesn't matter, forget it.
19:57 phanes; ive walked into hit jobs where groups were asking questions designed to fabricate a scandal to try to exploit what they would perceive as a moral chink in the armor, but recognized it and responded in a way that revealed their intent
19:58 phanes; stallman can't do that
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19:58 phanes; because he doesn't have the self-awareness and empathy
19:58 phanes; this is why I say HFAs struggle with leadership of humans
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19:58 MinceR; so what
19:58 phanes; or is rather a great example of why
19:58 MinceR; sociopaths lack both too
19:59 MinceR; and yet they lead most people
19:59 phanes; sociopaths or psychopaths
19:59 MinceR; (incredibly badly, but most people don't seem to mind)
19:59 reptilian_thrills; its funny how alt-right bullshit is so mainstream now
19:59 MinceR; afaict the former
19:59 phanes; sociopaths generally tend to destroy themselves before they get too far into a leadership track
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19:59 MinceR; reptilian_thrills: well, ruscism is mainstream
19:59 reptilian_thrills; i mean its the pendulum swing, the pendulum took the fucking dmt
20:00 MinceR; :)
20:00 Helenah; sociopaths and psychopaths can actually be helped with CBT but most don't recognise they have a condition and one needs to recognise things in them are an issue before they'll get help with them.
20:00 reptilian_thrills; <MinceR> reptilian_thrills: well, ruscism is mainstream <- fairest point made this week
20:00 Helenah; There are success stories out there
20:00 MinceR; Cock/Ball Torture?
20:00 *phanes reads CBT as "cock and ball torture"
20:00 reptilian_thrills; cognitive behavioural therapy
20:00 phanes; haha beat me to it
20:00 reptilian_thrills; or sth like that
20:00 Helenah; MinceR: It's not ABA, ABA is cruel.
20:00 MinceR; there's also "Computer Based Training" but i haven't seen that used in decades...
20:00 phanes; what about ABBA?
20:00 Helenah; Though sociopathy and psychopathy are usually brought on by a childhood so it can remit when a trauma happens again later in life.
20:00 phanes; oh shit my boomer is showing
20:01 reptilian_thrills; phanes is to psych what roy is to covid
20:01 reptilian_thrills; he should go on tour with ben shapiro
20:01 reptilian_thrills; not because of politics, just because of style
20:01 Helenah; CBT doesn't force you to be a different person, nor does it dog train you to be a different person.
20:01 Helenah; It just teaches you ways on dealing with situations and processing them.
20:01 phanes; reptilian_thrills, i grew up being bombarded by psychological theory, dad was a phd in abnormal psych with a minor in philosophy
20:01 Helenah; ABA however I compare to dog training.
20:02 MinceR; afaik people with ASPD don't _want_ to be different, but they do want you to _believe_ they're different
20:02 reptilian_thrills; this whole approach is going to be so dated in a decade or two
20:02 MinceR; probably all approaches will be
20:02 phanes; Helenah, is 100% right, you can't "teach" a sociopath or narcissist to experience empathy. You can teach them to emulate it and express it, but it's ultimately an experience that is missing.
20:02 reptilian_thrills; well its so cloyingly pseudointellectual
20:02 Helenah; MinceR: Every ASPD person is an individual though so there are exceptions where the ASPD sufferer has used their own initiative to seek treatments such as CBT.
20:03 reptilian_thrills; but its more detail-oriented than pseudointellectualism usually is
20:03 Helenah; It's not about making them non-ASPD and it never can do that.
20:03 reptilian_thrills; and thats the only thing it brings to the table
20:03 reptilian_thrills; but its opponents tend to do the same
20:03 reptilian_thrills; so it becomes a giant dick waving contest among giant dicks
20:04 reptilian_thrills; but its also completely bullshit, and thats where the novelty has a half-life of about 2 seconds
20:04 *phanes hops on his dick and rides a giant wave across the horizon
20:04 Helenah; There is one who spoke of his experience on Youtube and he said he supports the treatment had seeked out arguing it helped him.
20:04 Helenah; *he'd
20:04 reptilian_thrills; "this argument optimised for youtube and twitter"
20:04 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Do NOT turn this into something it's not!
20:04 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/running.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-running#comic )
20:04 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
20:04 Helenah; I know who you are...
20:05 reptilian_thrills; they always think theyre presenting something new
20:05 reptilian_thrills; but you can go back 100 years and find the same old bullshit
20:05 reptilian_thrills; sometimes its 50, thats close enough too
20:05 phanes; the really damaging disorders like NPD, BPD, APD have a really low treatment success rate because the nature of their disorder precludes them from believing they need it. NPD in particular. There are 0 cases of rehabilitated narcissists.
20:05 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: All you want to do is tell people they shouldn't have gone to a doctor.
20:05 reptilian_thrills; of course if you built the fucking pyramids, thats totally different...
20:05 Helenah; And that doctors should never be trusted.
20:06 Helenah; I'd be dead now if it wasn't for doctors.
20:06 phanes; depends on the doctor
20:06 Helenah; I didn't even /whois you, I relied purely on typographical stylometrics.
20:06 Helenah; phanes: Yep, it does.
20:06 Helenah; But you could say that about anyone whether they work in medical or not.
20:06 phanes; most us doctors will watch you die
20:07 phanes; some will tinker with you /until/ you die
20:07 phanes; there's a quiet credibility crisis happening in expert fields in the united states
20:07 Helenah; A doctor of mine told a professor who kept asking for tumour samples "No" arguing to the professor it was too risky.
20:07 phanes; so if you find one that really knows their specialization and is saving lives, that's gold that should be recognized
20:08 Helenah; Yep agreed
20:08 reptilian_thrills; anyway, elitism is the same problem (in practical terms) as cancel culture
20:08 Helenah; This doctor put my health before research.
20:08 reptilian_thrills; basically you need a certain percentage of humanity on board to fix this bullshit
20:08 Helenah; That's good of him.
20:08 phanes; it's the same way with cops. every once in a while one of them saves a life. that doesn't detract from the massive LEO culture problem that kills shitloads of people every year.
20:08 reptilian_thrills; and elitism and cancel culture are more interested in disqualifying people rather than getting to business
20:08 reptilian_thrills; its a distraction-- and that would be fine, but they get stuck there
20:09 reptilian_thrills; they dont go back to actually fixing anything
20:09 phanes; in all fairness alot of people need disqualified
20:09 phanes; its just hardly ever the people that need it
20:09 reptilian_thrills; so you end up with a small fraction of the forces needed for "enlightenment" or "tikkun olam" or "progress" or anything like that
20:09 Helenah; phanes: Did I show you this https://files.catbox.moe/46lwn4.jpg
20:09 Helenah; I think I did
20:09 reptilian_thrills; in other words its masturbatory, its self-congratulating
20:09 Helenah; but not sure if it was you who responded or MinceR
20:10 phanes; the ones that need destroyed often end up having too much control over the narrative when you occassionally destroy them
20:10 reptilian_thrills; its very intense navel-gazing
20:10 reptilian_thrills; fapping in the mirror
20:10 reptilian_thrills; i think its the most boring thing in the world. and we all do it
20:10 phanes; Helenah, yeah -- is your tumor malignant?
20:10 reptilian_thrills; but some people present it as a solution. its not.
20:10 Helenah; phanes: Yep
20:10 Helenah; And they've told me it is.
20:11 phanes; yank it in a mirror reptilian_thrills? I can truthfully say I don't do that.
20:11 reptilian_thrills; its the very reason mincer thinks the world is hopeless
20:11 Helenah; And told me that it's very slow progressing, most likely won't kill me.
20:11 reptilian_thrills; either way, the world is full of shit
20:11 Helenah; But they're going to be doing 2 whole genome sequences
20:11 phanes; the world is full of shit
20:11 reptilian_thrills; the question is whether its also hopeless (spoiler: its definitely close
20:11 Helenah; One of my tumour, one of my saliva then compare the difference
20:11 Helenah; they said that it's very new technology, most likely won't return a solution.
20:12 Helenah; He said that or he just watch and monitor
20:12 phanes; i realized young that i had been lied to about almost everything I knew, and I am still integrating that realization into my worldview today a lie at a time
20:12 reptilian_thrills; everyones going to fap in the mirror. some think thats the solution to the worlds problems
20:12 reptilian_thrills; hitler did it, stalin did it, the democrats do it, ben shapiro does it
20:12 phanes; like
20:12 phanes; literally almost everything we are told is a lie
20:13 phanes; "diversify your investment portfolio to get rich"
20:13 phanes; no
20:13 Helenah; phanes: Agreed
20:13 phanes; the people that get rich don't diversify
20:13 Helenah; phanes: Agreed
20:13 phanes; that's what rich people do to /stay/ rich
20:13 phanes; the people that get rich go hard into something fairly risky and come out a winner
20:13 Helenah; Though they don't have to do it to stay rich.
20:13 reptilian_thrills; mjg does it and phanes doesnt get the connection
20:13 reptilian_thrills; they should just fuck already
20:14 phanes; reptilian_thrills, mjg does what?
20:14 Helenah; faps in the mirror
20:14 Helenah; apparently
20:14 reptilian_thrills; sorry for shipping you with everyone mjg
20:14 Helenah; according to reptilian_thrills
20:14 reptilian_thrills; its pure rhetoric i swear
20:14 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: You really hate my guts, don't you? :)
20:14 Helenah; Admit it.
20:14 Helenah; It won't hurt me.
20:15 phanes; reptilian_thrills, i suspect mjg is a highly impressionable narcissist that is surrounded by much more sinister people that are exploiting that impressionability for their own gains and that when he starts realizing he's just puppeting what his gal's hand up his ass is getting him to say through an indoctrination that we'll all have to witness his trump-like narcissistic collapse
20:16 TR News; Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/
20:16 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights
20:16 Helenah; EQ (Empathy Quotient) by Psychology Tools:
20:16 Helenah; Your score was 55 out of a possible 80.
20:16 Helenah; Scores above 30 are generally not indicative of an Autism Spectrum disorder.
20:16 Helenah; Higher scores indicate greater levels of empathy.
20:16 Helenah; About the empathy ^
20:18 phanes; he is in a heteronormative relationship being misrepresented as gender-fluid culture conformance and is puppeting lovecruft's antics to the point that it's nearly destroyed him already. Like, it's in a blind spot right now, but when that guy realizes what's been done to him he's going to have an absolute meltdown.
20:18 TR News; E88: Tech Talk w/ Rashad Morton - Senior Software Engineering, Black Tech Cloud Networks Inc. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=o6H8RZLCoyI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/o6H8RZLCoyI
20:18 TR Bot; E88: Tech Talk w/ Rashad Morton - Senior Software Engineering, Black Tech Cloud Networks Inc. - Invidious
20:19 TR News; INTEL code LEAKS, Ubuntu Pro goes free, Nextcloud takes on Google and Apple - Linux + FOSS News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=om7-QhWHwYk | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/om7-QhWHwYk
20:19 TR Bot; INTEL code LEAKS, Ubuntu Pro goes free, Nextcloud takes on Google and Apple - Linux + FOSS News - Invidious
20:19 Helenah; phanes: What is your opinion on LGBT+ people? Even talk of the letters individual for more in-depth information.
20:19 Helenah; *individually
20:19 phanes; Helenah, what's your opinion on CIS people?
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:20 Helenah; What's CIS?
20:20 Helenah; Like cisgender?
20:20 TR News; 10 Useful lsof Commands in Linux With Examples https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/10-useful-lsof-commands-in-linux-with-examples/
20:20 TR Bot; Useful lsof Commands in Linux With Examples | LinuxCloudVPS Blog
20:20 phanes; Helenah, https://www.transhub.org.au/101/cis
20:20 TR Bot; What does cis mean? TransHub
20:20 Helenah; They're people whose gender is in-lign with some binary social construct.
20:21 Helenah; *inlign
20:21 phanes; "some"
20:21 Helenah; Yeah, they're still individuals
20:21 phanes; no not "some"
20:22 Helenah; Honestly though giving a kid a doll because they got a vagina is a social construct.
20:22 phanes; it's important not to misrepresent the default norm for almost all of human history spanning geos and times as anything but that.
20:22 MinceR; Commonwealth of Independent States
20:22 phanes; now, granted, it's reprehensible that marketers exploited this -- hence the doll thing
20:23 Helenah; Yep, they do exploit it.
20:23 TR News; Empirical evidence that Microsoft openwashing and false engagement are being used to make money by diluting the brand Linux http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/
20:23 phanes; same with christmas
20:23 Helenah; There was this boy who liked nail polish
20:23 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights
20:23 phanes; everyone knows santa loves rich kids more than poor kids
20:23 Helenah; but hated marketers for marketing it as a girls only thing.
20:23 Helenah; Arguing that what marketers are doing just stigmatised him for being a boy who likes nail polish.
20:23 Helenah; phanes: Yep
20:25 Helenah; I think all these social constructs are doing is creating damaging divides.
20:25 phanes; and those gender-reinforcing quirks have always been a thing, too. pink, purple used to be masculine colors, some cultures had men wearing robes or kilts
20:25 MinceR; "Of course the Emperor protects! It's just that He protects me better when I'm in a full carapace suit."
20:25 phanes; Helenah, no archetypes are extraordinarily important parts of human civilization
20:25 phanes; Helenah, that doesn't mean they can't change over time
20:26 Helenah; I believe there would be less trans people for example if people weren't placed into one of two groups.
20:26 Helenah; Agreed
20:26 MinceR; human civilization would be a good idea
20:26 phanes; Helenah, its important also to recognize that all of our values around this are culture-specific and time-specific -- in 200 years our descendants will probably find our openness to the current archetypes objectionable (including possible LBQTG+ archetypes)
20:27 MinceR; it's incredibly optimistic to think there will be descendants of ours 200 years from now
20:27 phanes; we have a tendency to believe we've found the summon bonum, the highest aspiration of ethical perspective in our times, basing that ideal entirely off of contemporary archetypes
20:28 phanes; we have always done this
20:28 whitenigga; yo dawg, ur shit is dry af
20:28 phanes; "the best we know of based on the things we currently know about are the best that it can be"
20:29 phanes; whitenigga, dude you don't know dry then, I havent even talked about the categorical imperative or how hegel didn't understand Kant
20:29 TR News; (NEW): 10 Most Popular Linux Distros Available Out There in 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/10_Most_Popular_Linux_Distros_Available_Out_There_in_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/10_Most_Popular_Linux_Distros_Available_Out_There_in_2022.gmi
20:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines 10 Most Popular Linux Distros Available Out There in 2022
20:30 whitenigga; please dont
20:30 MinceR; Don't Repeat Yourself
20:30 MinceR; that's the DRY principle
20:30 TR News; (NEW): Why Is NixOS Popular Again? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Why_Is_NixOS_Popular_Again.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Why_Is_NixOS_Popular_Again.gmi
20:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Why Is NixOS Popular Again?
20:31 reptilian_thrills; if ive said it once ive said it a thousand times: dont repeat yourself
20:31 TR News; Ardour 7.0 released https://ardour.org/whatsnew.html
20:31 TR Bot;
20:31 reptilian_thrills; its worth saying twice
20:31 Helenah; Speaking of repeating...
20:31 *phanes mumbles something about whitenigga's tendency towards glorification of his innately anti-intellectual perspective to try to validate himself in a world that is much more complex than he is prepared to deal with
20:31 TR News; [PATCH v2 0/4] Introduction of HP-BIOSCFG driver - Jorge Lopez https://lore.kernel.org/platform-driver-x86/20221014232726.31301-1-jorge.lopez2@hp.com/
20:31 TR Bot; [PATCH v2 0/4] Introduction of HP-BIOSCFG driver - Jorge Lopez
20:31 Helenah; My brain goes "WTF" when I read an article and see a paragraph has been used 2 or 3 times at different parts
20:31 Helenah; My brain goes "I read it already, why are you a broken record?" lol
20:31 reptilian_thrills; if ive said it once, ive said it a million times: dont exaggerate!
20:32 TR News; Fujitsu and Japanese Uni want internet 'endorsement layer' - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/14/trustable_internet_endorsement_layer/ Source: The Register UK | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/10/14/trustable_internet_endorsement_layer/
20:32 TR Bot; Fujitsu and Japanese Uni want internet 'endorsement layer' The Register
20:32 whitenigga; phanes: blah blah blah
20:32 whitenigga; ur such a nerd dawh
20:32 whitenigga; dawg
20:33 reptilian_thrills; the shoe fits
20:33 reptilian_thrills; /me pumps it and makes it fit even better
20:33 TR News; Bluestar 6.0.1 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/
20:33 TR Bot; download | SourceForge.net
20:33 *phanes hands whitenigga his size 20 shoes and walks away
20:34 TR News; BillBC on the competition https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63082320
20:34 TR Bot; to close Stadia cloud service and refund gamers - BBC News
20:35 whitenigga; phanes: nigga please
20:35 whitenigga; know what im sayin
20:35 MinceR; yet another clown computing success story
20:35 whitenigga; gnomisayin
20:35 TR News; "Kara Sherrer Contributing Writer"?? No, Webspam for diploma mills. Writer? Maybe. Of SPAM. https://www.techrepublic.com/meet-the-team/us/kara-sherrer/
20:35 TR Bot; Sherrer, Author at TechRepublic
20:36 Helenah; phanes, MinceR, :3 https://files.catbox.moe/g5zhp2.jpg
20:36 phanes; whitenigga, no i don't know what im saying, your dialog is mostly grunts and appeals to a mindset that represents deliberate degeneracy and belongs in a field doing manual labor
20:37 Helenah; That one is CT.
20:37 Helenah; Though they won't give me many of them unless they absolutely need them and also won't give me any of them if they think the risks of the scan outweigh the risks of my cancer.
20:37 MinceR; Helenah: yeah, and it also has your name on it
20:37 Helenah; MinceR: It's everywhere anyway.
20:38 starstreak;
20:38 Helenah; starstreak: Hi
20:38 phanes; Helenah, i have often wondered how many people walk around with serious medical conditions they don't know about because our medicine has only just barely begun to advance and is stunted by our current research models
20:38 MinceR; and age
20:38 starstreak; Helenah, hi :)
20:38 Helenah; phanes: Well people don't realise they're developing microcancers all the time, most of which are nothing.
20:38 Helenah; MinceR: That's everywhere
20:39 MinceR; we will develop nanocancer
20:39 Helenah; Hi hi starstreak :D
20:39 Helenah; Cells can escape apoptosis.
20:39 phanes; Helenah, we need to be talking to more sociologists and statisticians about cancer :P
20:39 Helenah; and then pass on the reason why they were able to escape it in the first place onto new cells.
20:39 Helenah; Which also do the same thing
20:39 AdmFubar; mhttps://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/how-a-microsoft-blunder-opened-millions-of-pcs-to-potent-malware-attacks/
20:39 Helenah; next thing you have this ever growing mass
20:40 Helenah; That just is too stubborn to give up
20:40 Helenah; phanes: Yep
20:40 starstreak; hi hi Helenah :)
20:41 whitenigga; starstreak: i just read everything on your site and thats some crazy shit dawg
20:41 whitenigga; nice artwork though
20:42 Helenah; whitenigga: You think you're cool, don't you?
20:42 Helenah; Well you're not.
20:42 Helenah; So STOP acting like you are!
20:42 whitenigga; starstreak: you deserve the CrazyNigga award
20:42 Helenah; Infact just do whatever you want, I'm merely expressing.
20:43 phanes; Helenah, the world needs people who can clean hotel rooms and flip burgers too, it's one of the foundational layers of society
20:43 whitenigga; Helenah: i know im cool, gnomisayin
20:43 Helenah; whitenigga: People who claim they "know" they are cool are most likely not cool.
20:43 Helenah; You can wear shades, it doesn't make you cool.
20:43 whitenigga; Helenah: did you wake up and drink haterade dawg?
20:43 Helenah; phanes: Yep
20:44 Helenah; whitenigga: I'm not hating anyone and redact the "dawg".
20:44 Helenah; I'm no dawg.
20:44 Helenah; Infact do as you please, I'm just merely expressing.
20:45 whitenigga; alright girl sorry
20:45 Helenah; There's no need to apologise. :)
20:46 Helenah; You don't realise it today, but you will realise it tomorrow. Right now you probably think I'm merely digging at you but tomorrow you will realise that I wasn't digging at you, wasn't hating you or anything like that, I was sending a subtle warning that this "cool act" of yours will backfire back onto you.
20:47 Helenah; And it won't be me doing the backfiring, it will be some outwardly spoken other person.
20:47 TR News; TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/
20:48 TR Bot; TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights
20:48 phanes; it reminds me of when the boss's kid stumbles into the board meeting and starts asking questions, and most of the people just politely entertain the outbursts and non-relevant questions
20:48 phanes; meanwhile 3/4 of the room is looking around to see who's going to wheel him back to the reception lobby so they can wrap up the meeting
20:48 phanes; they don't hate the kid
20:48 Helenah; Yep, often people approach things politely, even passively and then one day they say something.
20:48 phanes; he just needs to be in the toy room
20:49 Helenah; Plenty of people probably tolerated whitenigga's cool acts without whitenigga even realise that's happening, one of these people will some day say something to him.
20:49 phanes; im pretty vocal about it
20:50 Helenah; Believe me, I had a teacher called Mr Ramsden, I called him Mr Ramsbottom for 2 years before he finally backfired against me.
20:50 phanes; most of my backlash from when i was an arrogant teenager was internal tbh
20:51 phanes; remembering a teacher who had a neck vein that i poked on a dare who was genuinely just passionately trying to teach high schoolers about earth science
20:51 phanes; alot of people have a fuckhead phase
20:52 TR News; Conan package manager compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202210/conan-package-manager-compiled-in-oe.html
20:52 TR Bot; Conan package manager compiled in OE
20:52 Helenah; I bet he didn't like that.
20:52 phanes; she didn't and acted like she didn't notice
20:52 Helenah; OH she woops sorry
20:52 phanes; i was like 15 and took the non-response as weakness instead of ignoring the fuckhead so she could teach the class
20:53 Helenah; Most teachers in my school days were women btw.
20:53 Helenah; rarely any men.
20:53 phanes; whitenigga, gnoimsayin?
20:53 Helenah; It was soo one gender and less of the other.
20:54 whitenigga; phanes: its gnomisayin
20:54 Helenah; I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with men scared of working with kids.
20:56 *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving)
20:56 TR News; Ubuntu Once Again Angered Users by Placing Ads in the Terminal http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/Canonical_displays_controversial_ad_in_shell_update_prog.shtml
20:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical displays controversial 'ad' in shell update prog (UDPATEDx2)
20:57 Helenah; Society seems to find it soo easy to accuse men of being potentially dangerous.
20:58 phanes; in all fairness we are
20:58 Helenah; Yet women are just as capable.
20:58 phanes; yep
20:58 TR News; Canonica: Ubuntu is CentOS and you need "Pro" for RealValue(R). Also, Ubuntu means "Debian with ads".
20:58 Helenah; I've watched a woman rag the hair of another woman in college, it took 5 members of staff 2 of them being security guards to get her off the other person while the other person was screaming out in pain.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.60 k/sec., IPFS upstream 105.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 142.66
20:59 Helenah; It wasn't as simple as getting her off when she's hold of someones hair.
20:59 phanes; oh some women are vicious to each other in ways most men can't learn to be
20:59 Helenah; Agreed
20:59 phanes; especially high school and college
21:00 phanes; those girls were just absolute demons to each other
21:00 Helenah; Yep, I was eating my dinner at the time when a load of thuds suddenly started behind me, it shat me up.
21:00 phanes; the dudes would beat each other up occassionally but the girls were like psychological warfare
21:00 Helenah; a load of computers went flying off the desk including one I was on...
21:00 Helenah; I well freaked out... lol
21:00 Helenah; That's cause she had dragged this girl onto the desk, pinned her down to it and started ragging out her hair.
21:01 phanes; what is "ragging"
21:01 phanes; i dont know that term
21:01 Helenah; phanes: Pulling it out but with a repetitive tugging action
21:01 Helenah; I can do it too
21:01 Helenah; it hurts the most
21:01 Helenah; Yes I've actually done it myself...
21:01 phanes; thats horrible
21:01 Helenah; I'm guilty of it
21:01 schestowitz[TR]; also in workspaces
21:01 Helenah; that was once and one time only in high school
21:01 Helenah; but what I did was nothing in comparison to this...
21:02 Helenah; This just left a room in trash...
21:02 phanes; some of the girls i went to high school and college with were at like war with each other, not like beat each other up war but pretend to make up and be friends long enough to seduce boyfriend + dad
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21:02 Helenah; Damn
21:03 TR News; TP-Link network equipment hijacks some DNS requests https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/tplink-dns-hijacking.html
21:03 TR Bot; TP-Link network equipment hijacks some DNS requests | Ctrl blog
21:03 Helenah; Also women are better at doing social manipulation.
21:03 Helenah; I'm saying all this as a woman.
21:03 Helenah; I'm honest.
21:03 phanes; some are yes
21:03 phanes; i was caught in the web of a black widow once and had to lose a couple limbs to get out
21:03 phanes; it practically defined my 20s and im still processing it
21:04 phanes; that was my first exposure to NPD
21:04 phanes; she was diagnosed by our couples therapist shortly before all hell broke loose
21:05 TR News; This is a security problem only if the malware gets to the system in the first place https://www.scmagazine.com/analysis/threat-intelligence/researchers-detail-new-c2-attack-framework-targeting-windows-macos-and-linux
21:05 TR Bot; Researchers detail new C2 attack framework targeting Windows, macOS and Linux | SC Media
21:05 phanes; therapist calls me out for a quick meeting and is politely trying to warn me to get very far away very fast
21:05 phanes; i didn't listen because i didn't know how the disorder worked yet
21:05 Helenah; Oh dear
21:05 phanes; yeah my guts are all over maine
21:05 Helenah; They have what I call a "grapple hook", it's their first thing they do
21:06 Helenah; So once they have you hooked to them, bonded tight
21:06 Helenah; They then manipulated the fuck out of you
21:06 Helenah; *manipulate
21:06 phanes; in all fairness we were engaged and living together and by the time I realized what was going on it was already way too scary and painful to avoid any damage
21:06 Helenah; hmm
21:06 phanes; like the social isolation was so subtle that i didn't even realize i was isolated until it was way too late
21:07 Helenah; I don't blame you for not listening at first, you probably didn't have any idea if it was ridiculous or not.
21:07 phanes; i didn't even know people could think like that back then
21:08 phanes; and appear to be normal
21:08 Helenah; I've encountered narcissists too but because of my brick wall barrier that seems to go up against them, they then try to use a proxy person to get to me.
21:08 phanes; yeah i didn't have any of that
21:08 phanes; i spent like 15 years trying to expose what she was doing to me
21:09 phanes; they have a way of going to other people in the web and pretexting anything you might say
21:09 Helenah; So did she already have an NPD diagnosis or was it picked up on, I assume when talking to her without you present?
21:09 Helenah; That's a psychological tactic
21:09 Helenah; speak to both together, then each one individually separately
21:10 phanes; yep
21:10 Helenah; To see how they change
21:10 phanes; it was after individual sessions
21:10 Helenah; And she would've said a right load of things in the comforts of a therapist she wouldn't say to you.
21:10 phanes; together i was the demon
21:10 phanes; yep
21:10 phanes; exactly
21:10 phanes; horrible shit
21:10 Helenah; This is where therapists are crafty.
21:10 Helenah; They know how to get the information they want out of peoples brains.
21:10 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
21:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
21:11 Helenah; It's a good thing, you got a warning because of it.
21:11 phanes; eh, i just wish i knew now back then the damage wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe
21:11 phanes; *just wish i knew then what i know now
21:12 phanes; the "storm" that comes with that kind of split i was just not prepared for
21:12 Helenah; Believe me though, how you approached what was warned to you is normal btw.
21:13 phanes; you're right about using proxies as weapons
21:13 phanes; it was everybody man
21:14 phanes; i tell ya what though
21:15 Helenah; narcissists are never satisfied with themselves and what they have, they will always see what others have and how they are as better than themself and their own things. So if they take physical things from you for example keeping a hold of your debit card like what they want is one of your personality attributes which they can't just take, it's inside you
21:15 Helenah; then they will abuse the shit out of you for those good attributes
21:15 phanes; that whole saga prepared me like crazy for both the corporate world and f/oss shit
21:15 Helenah; Like I said "grapple hook", they put on a charm and get you close and get you comfortable
21:15 phanes; because tech is unnaturally saturated with cluster Bs
21:15 Helenah; Then the devil comes out to play with you
21:15 TR News; TypiCMS: a Modular Open-source CMS based on Laravel https://medevel.com/typicms/
21:15 TR Bot; TypiCMS: a Modular Open-source CMS based on Laravel
21:15 Helenah; phanes: That's true
21:16 phanes; i can spot them a mile away these days
21:16 phanes; i have some trouble with the covert subtype
21:16 phanes; they can get under my radar for a while
21:16 TR News; G-Droid: An Alternative Android Store for Open Source apps https://medevel.com/g-droid/ Source: Medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/g-droid/
21:16 TR Bot; G-Droid: An Alternative Android Store for Open Source apps
21:17 TR News; "Recently Ive worked a lot with multithreading and wanted to share a very simple but useful tool. However, Qt-experts wont be surprised." https://lnj.gitlab.io/post/running-lambdas-on-a-thread-with-qt/
21:17 TR Bot; Runnning lambda functions on a specific thread with Qt - Linus Jahn
21:18 Helenah; Btw, I met my gf on IRC like... 8 years ago and a month into our relationship, some dimwhit on IRC basically warned her that I'm a narcissist and that she should get away from them asap. My gf didn't listen and is still with me 8 years on finding that what was told her wasn't true...
21:18 phanes; sounds like a rival tried to do a role reversal
21:18 Helenah; Apparently I was coming across as "charming"
21:18 Helenah; Which I'll admit I was
21:18 Helenah; because well she was new
21:19 Helenah; and the love was new...
21:19 TR News; (NEW): Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Plasma_5_26_and_Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_in_Manjaro_ARM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Plasma_5_26_and_Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_in_Manjaro_ARM.gmi
21:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM
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21:19 phanes; mine tried to do that a couple times but you can just wait it out and shit becomes apparent if the sabotage of the narcissist doesn't work immediately. the ones that hurt is when they sabotage with something you didn't see them say, but you know they said something, and the person they said it to just disappears over it
21:19 reptilian_thrills; wb
21:20 Helenah; hmm
21:20 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, thanks
21:20 phanes; which is frequent and unfortunate but is just part of life after you get out of a narcissist's control
21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:20 Helenah; Yep I walked away from a narcsissist
21:20 Helenah; I was putting my barrier up against her which she couldn't break
21:21 phanes; grey rock?
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; https://imgur.com/gallery/fRoVq
21:21 TR Bot; Narcissists Prayer - Album on Imgur
21:21 Helenah; to the point she was telling my girlfriend behind my back "You see those alien statues over there? It's like I'm talking to one of those with her"
21:21 Helenah; Yep she had human sized alien statues... in her living room which was too small for even a sofa...
21:21 Helenah; lol
21:21 starstreak; lol wut
21:22 Helenah; starstreak: She couldn't get through to my mind.
21:22 Helenah; So she compared me to her statues behind my back.
21:22 Helenah; Then not long after...
21:22 Helenah; my gf broke up with me TWICE
21:22 phanes; Helenah, im still on the fence about whether they believe the things they say or if its a largely subconscious thing the really manipulative ones are doing
21:22 Helenah; and I had no idea why but she was telling me I was a child, I was lazy
21:22 Helenah; and that I was using her for everything
21:22 Helenah; and I was like "Woah woah woah where is this coming from?"
21:22 reptilian_thrills; /me counts the desks
21:23 Helenah; Eventually found out the narcissist had stuck all that in her head...
21:23 phanes; like if you listen to what theyre saying about you long enough you can see how they arrived at that but also can see that's broken and distorted, but it gives the impression they believe it
21:23 TR News; You Can Now Install TUXEDO OS on a Regular Computer: Heres How http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.shtml
21:23 TR Bot; Tux Machines TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro
21:23 Helenah; phanes: They believe it.
21:23 Helenah; I'm telling you, they believe it.
21:23 phanes; i think sometimes they do
21:24 phanes; other times its so obviously a lie that im just like "i know even you don't believe that"
21:24 Helenah; Though yeah, probably some expert manipulators take it further
21:24 Helenah; She didn't know me
21:25 Helenah; She knew me for a MONTH
21:25 Helenah; and already she was trying to get into my life which didn't work because of the barrier
21:25 Helenah; she opened my girlfriend right up though like she took a scapal to her...
21:25 phanes; after a while i started to realize that these people do not have internal compasses for truth and that the things they say are just kind of an amalgamation of defense mechanisms in a broken mind that is so overcompensating for having no foundation that its enough just to give the appearance of normalcy for them
21:25 Helenah; not literally scalpal, it's metaphorical.
21:25 TR News; "In this video I cover several difficult to understanding programming concepts to help you gain some new clarity." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=loGWCJGmv7Q
21:25 TR Bot; Difficult Programming Concepts Explained - Invidious
21:26 Helenah; Well this is how she came across to my gf was "normal" and "genuine"
21:26 Helenah; but I could see right through it
21:26 Helenah; my gf was befriending a devil
21:26 Helenah; but saw a cuddly kitten.
21:26 phanes; i do know this though: they think it's funny
21:26 phanes; at some level they get genuine enjoyment from the damage they cause
21:27 Helenah; I have no front. If you ever met me in real life then what you see is what you get and how it actually is.
21:27 TR News; NetBSD Blog http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_arm_on_oracle_cloud Source: NetBSD | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_arm_on_oracle_cloud
21:27 TR Bot; NetBSD Blog
21:27 Helenah; And you will really love that honesty.
21:27 phanes; Helenah, i am much more agreeable in person than on IRC
21:27 phanes; alot of folks i butt heads with on IRC i end up making friends with in person at conventions
21:28 Helenah; Sometimes I'll agree to avoid argument and confrontation
21:28 TR News; "The MyDeal site is hosted by Amazon in the US, according to Internet services company Netcraft, and appears to use ASP.NET, technology sold by Microsoft." https://itwire.com/security/woolworths-subsidiary-mydeal-suffers-data-breach,-2-2m-users-affected.html
21:28 TR Bot; - Woolworths subsidiary MyDeal suffers data breach, 2.2m users affected
21:28 Helenah; You want to know what made this narcissist 10 times worse towards my gf about me?
21:28 Helenah; Is the fact I stood up, had a right yelling at her, slammed her doors on the way out.
21:29 Helenah; Middle finger apparently went up behind my back followed by calling me a child, I was told this later.
21:29 phanes; i had to avoid all of that because any sign or expression of anger was used as a weapon against me to support a big scary man narrative as she was trying to find someone who could be worked up into assaulting me
21:29 Helenah; She got anger once and most the time blanks instead of what she wanted.
21:29 phanes; that didn't start until after the split
21:29 phanes; s/split/discard/
21:30 phanes; by the time the hoover came around i had processed enough to realize what was going on and had educated myself some on the patterns
21:30 phanes; whole thing backfired on her a bit
21:30 Helenah; I yelled on the way out "YOU DO NOT KNOW ME SO STOP TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH MY LIFE, YOU WONT GET TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME THROUGH ME"
21:30 TR News; The above are only some among more fake articles found when searching for Linux; theyre not actually articles, theyre more like a network of spamfarms; these ZDNet ads already taint news sites as noted before http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/
21:31 TR Bot; TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights
21:31 TR News; (NEW): TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.gmi
21:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro
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21:32 Helenah; I never saw her again.
21:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Walmart is starting to really piss me off.
21:32 Helenah; I opted for avoidance at all costs.
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; sstarting?
21:32 Helenah; DaemonFC: So don't shop there then, it's your choice.
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; we boycott asda just because walmart owns it... since it began owning it
21:32 phanes; Helenah, i would like very much to hold that one accountable but am unclear on any means to do so
21:32 DaemonFC; Every year they try to bump up Mandy's 401(k) contribution by 1% of his pay, without asking, and you have to go in and select "NO CHANGE". I already have it set at 6%, which is the most they will match.
21:33 DaemonFC; This year they did it, YET AGAIN.
21:33 phanes; i have a very deeply engrained sense of and desire for justice that is left in wanting
21:33 Helenah; DaemonFC: They are getting to you and hurting your head.
21:33 schestowitz[TR]; they have like 2 million workers
21:33 schestowitz[TR]; if they screw them for $1k a year that's 2 billion more iin profits
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21:34 reptilian_thrills; if they screw them for $1k a year that's 2 billion more iin profit <- thats okay, phanes will teach a few of them how to be morally upstanding
21:34 reptilian_thrills; which seems to consist mostly of talking on the internet about how youre smarter than everyone else
21:34 Helenah; Sometimes I can get firey at my gf phanes I'll admit
21:35 Helenah; But it rarely happens
21:35 reptilian_thrills; and how you dont believe in revolution because its dumb
21:35 phanes; there's nothing wrong with being angry
21:35 TR News; Free Software Foundation Does Not Endorse Debian! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eJ3JxwQl7OM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/eJ3JxwQl7OM
21:35 TR Bot; Free Software Foundation Does Not Endorse Debian! - Invidious
21:35 Helenah; Well like the cat going on my surfaces and knocking everything on the floor and her never doing anything about it is my biggest gripe at the moment...
21:35 phanes; what you do when you are angry is whether your anger is a problem or not
21:35 Helenah; And she's like "Well it's a cat"
21:35 reptilian_thrills; fake revolution is better. everyone line up and blow george, look at his cool hat!
21:35 Helenah; and I'm like "Well everything is still going on the floor all the time and you will never pick it up, ever"
21:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Anything more than they match is a liability.
21:36 Helenah; Cats shouldn't be on surfaces.
21:36 DaemonFC; We're already maxing out the match and the IRS SAVERS CREDIT.
21:36 DaemonFC; So there's no reason to put even $1 more into this thing.
21:36 Helenah; But that aside...
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; yes, the match is the sole incentive
21:36 Helenah; We deeply love each other
21:36 Helenah; Our love is strong
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; your own contribution might never come back to you
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; it's there to cushion a dying economy with gambling
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; people setting aside future money to ganble on a syramid scheme and prop it up
21:38 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Debian, Programming Concepts, FOSS News, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Videos_Debian_Programming_Concepts_FOSS_News_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Videos_Debian_Programming_Concepts_FOSS_News_and_More.gmi
21:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Debian, Programming Concepts, FOSS News, and More
21:40 Helenah; phanes: https://files.catbox.moe/ukvv3c.jpg
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21:41 reptilian_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0
21:41 TR Bot; Future Islands - Seasons (Waiting On You) (Official Video) - Invidious
21:41 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: https://files.catbox.moe/ukvv3c.jpg
21:41 phanes; Helenah, interesting. I'm also O-
21:41 phanes; D3, huh
21:41 Helenah; Though I've just had to tell someone vitamins are not toys and shouldn't just be taken blindly as they were considering to do just that, take it blindly.
21:41 Helenah; Which means unknowingly overdosing on vitamins
21:41 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: trying to understand that
21:42 Helenah; thinking they're some magical health pills
21:42 Helenah; and they're not
21:42 phanes; yeah you gotta be careful with alot of that
21:42 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: It's for the reward system of the brain
21:42 Helenah; I was unknowingly chasing dopamine
21:42 Helenah; phanes: I've known people buy multivitamins to take and they just take them, no blood test, no nothing.
21:42 phanes; i played with my serotonin and dopamine systems a little in my mid-20s and had some good results but i also knew more about that kind of stuff back then
21:42 Helenah; It is annoying!
21:43 phanes; it also wasn't sustainable
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; exercise
21:43 phanes; i had a potassium deficiency a few years back that almost killed me
21:43 Helenah; phanes: I'm forcing my system to produce more.
21:44 phanes; they didn't notice until i was in like stage 2 hypertension
21:44 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: It's not exercise that's needed.
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes I make many typos here before I stanb and/or do light exercise
21:44 Helenah; Because what happens in my case is...
21:44 Helenah; One the surge of dopamine is produced
21:44 Helenah; it's taken further around the brain
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; endorphin
21:44 Helenah; so it's flushed out immediately
21:44 Helenah; but my endorphines aren't the problem.
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; like I said, not my area
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; i'm not a medical doctor, just a phd
21:45 Helenah; Ah
21:45 Helenah; Me neither
21:45 TR News; (NEW): Android: Trekarta, Digital Wallets, and G-Droid http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Trekarta_Digital_Wallets_and_G_Droid.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Trekarta_Digital_Wallets_and_G_Droid.gmi
21:45 phanes; ya gotta be careful with sero and dopa systems, if you produce too much of one the other can shut off
21:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android: Trekarta, Digital Wallets, and G-Droid
21:45 Helenah; phanes: Yep
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, exercise helps feel good and also does good to the body
21:45 phanes; your brain has all these regulatory functions that are not well understood
21:45 Helenah; Interesting fact, Psychopaths produce too much oxytocin.
21:45 Helenah; Way more than what they need
21:45 Helenah; it's a cuddly love hormone BUT
21:46 Helenah; It can make you a monster if it's high all the time
21:46 phanes; you also have to treat those systems like a circuit, just making more dopa or sero doesn't mean your uptake or consumption in the brain is doing what you think it is
21:46 phanes; you can numb out those receptors by overproducing
21:47 phanes; which then triggers other regulatory functions
21:47 phanes; this is why I believe SSRIs are dangerous and should never be used
21:47 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Security_Leftovers.gmi
21:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
21:47 Helenah; That's fact with with all nutrient.
21:48 reptilian_thrills; thats what she said
21:48 Helenah; altering the level of one affects the level of others
21:48 Helenah; either through your body not producing enough of it
21:48 Helenah; or through your body not absorbing enough of it
21:48 Helenah; Same goes for other things too
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; deficiency can be fixed
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; supplements
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; excess is another issue
21:48 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yes but
21:48 Helenah; that's not listening to what we're saying
21:49 Helenah; Like apparently vitamin C reduces the effectiveness of ADHD meds
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; o
21:49 Helenah; That's resorting to the "supplement" idea
21:49 phanes; if someone has a balanced diet and a deficiency there's usually another cause
21:49 Helenah; that everyone buys into
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; heredetary
21:49 Helenah; with no proper basis to why they're doing it
21:49 phanes; this whole idea of a "chemical imbalance" without an external cause seems dubious and dangerous to me
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; *hereditary
21:49 Helenah; Yep
21:49 Helenah; phanes: Agreed
21:49 Helenah; Like I said, I checked things out.
21:49 Helenah; most people don't
21:50 Helenah; I went at it seeing it as experimental too
21:50 Helenah; so I wasn't blinding myself
21:50 Helenah; Anyway, I feel better.
21:50 phanes; like when i had a potassium deficiency it i was actually having kidney issues because of a supplement i was taking
21:50 Helenah; hmm
21:50 Helenah; Yep
21:50 phanes; so, sure, supplementation with potassium helped
21:50 Helenah; aldosterone
21:50 phanes; but i needed to stop taking the supplement causing the problem
21:50 Helenah; it regulates sodium and potassium
21:51 Helenah; If your kidneys can't maintain aldosterone levels then your sodium and possassium levels will be wrong
21:51 Helenah; You may end up peeing it all out or not peeing enough
21:51 reptilian_thrills; part of being morally upstanding is knowing who is (naturally) better than everyone else
21:51 reptilian_thrills; like from birth
21:51 Helenah; aldosterone helps you retain water too
21:51 Helenah; so you don't flush too much out in one go
21:52 phanes; reptilian_thrills, "better" sounds like bullshit
21:52 reptilian_thrills; i know it sounds like some colonial bullshit, but actually its really so fucking profound
21:52 phanes; who is "better" than everyone else? blonde haired, blue eyed aryans?
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; pro tip: never give any medical mdetails online
21:52 Helenah; I at current have no latest work on my aldosterone levels phanes
21:53 phanes; the concept that some people are better than everyone else is at the core of most of society's problems tbh
21:53 reptilian_thrills; especially to bill gates
21:53 reptilian_thrills; or github, through your university
21:53 Helenah; And... BAM!
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; bully de blanc poudly said she was bipolar
21:53 Helenah; Urea and electrolytes:
21:53 phanes; and always has been
21:53 Helenah; Name Result Normal Range
21:53 Helenah; Serum sodium 141 mmol/L 133 - 146 mmol/L
21:53 Helenah; Serum potassium 4.2 mmol/L 3.5 - 5.3 mmol/L
21:54 Helenah; Serum urea level 4.6 mmol/L 2.5 - 7.8 mmol/L
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; to brag her solutoion was "open source"
21:54 Helenah; Serum creatinine 78 umol/L 45 - 84 umol/L
21:54 Helenah; GFR calculated abbreviated MDRD > 90 ml/min/1.73sqm N/A
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; of course this was later used against her
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; there are strong data protection laws for medical data for very good reasons
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; and special elevated status to medical info of high-porofile well-kknown people
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; the regimes ned to remind people
21:55 *phanes is pretty sure D3 supplementation would increase a cornucopia of cancer risks btw
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; your medical privacys is a right
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; and giving it away is only your own fault
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21:56 schestowitz[TR]; there are many reasons not to discuss that, esp. not online
21:56 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I don't mind giving it away...
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; to a friend = one person
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; online=anyone
21:56 Helenah; I want to go into the grave with it all given away...
21:56 reptilian_thrills; of course this was later used against her <- yeah i dont think pocock had the right
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: yes, but you are not obliged to
21:56 DaemonFC; They're offering Critical Illness insurance.
21:56 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Correct
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; and youi need to give it away only once
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; and the cat is out of the bag
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; the paste our of the tube
21:57 Helenah; Serum prolactin level:
21:57 Helenah; Name Result Normal Range
21:57 Helenah; Serum prolactin level 544 mU/L < 496 mU/L
21:57 Helenah; :D
21:57 Helenah; haha
21:58 TR News; Get stock and crypto price data using shell terminal on Linux https://linuxconfig.org/fetch-stock-quotes-with-perl-finance-quote-module
21:58 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://linuxconfig.org/fetch-stock-quotes-with-perl-finance-quote-module )
21:58 Helenah; You guys want genetic information too? :D
21:58 Helenah; lol
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; "UPLOAD YOUR DATA"
21:58 DaemonFC; It says it's a Section 125 plan, under the tax code. That means I can deduct his premiums over the year from our taxable income. $20,000 lump sum payment in the event of a diagnosis of certain illnesses, plus some other benefits thrown in for $2.22 a pay period. ($1.11 per week). So like $57.72 per year. Plus, that's a top-line income tax deduction.
21:58 phanes; i have deliberately avoided being genetically profiled
21:58 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: :D
21:58 DaemonFC; Not a terrible offer.
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; Along the lines of *Show us your tits" [not me]
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; (meme)
21:59 Helenah; phanes: Lol there are like too many copies of my genome out there to even count!
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; some people uploaded theirt DNA data
21:59 Helenah; What choice do I have?
21:59 Helenah; lol
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; it was later used against their relatives
21:59 reptilian_thrills; /me finds some nice pictures of tits for roy
21:59 reptilian_thrills; dont worry, i saw them in a tree
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; they wanted to find relatives or somethiing
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; or "help science"
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; they helped police
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; and hurt their loved ones
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22:00 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I have research grade genome sequencing.
22:00 Helenah; whole genome
22:00 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/uncle-sam-wants-your-dna-fbi%E2%80%99s-diabolical-plan-create-nation-suspects
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22:00 TR Bot; Uncle Sam Wants Your DNA: The FBIs Diabolical Plan to Create a Nation of Suspects | River Cities' Reader
22:00 phanes; https://imagebin.ca/v/6yaVcYHPAdBW
22:00 TR Bot; Imagebin - Somewhere to Store Random Things
22:00 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.americanbar.org/groups/judicial/publications/judges_journal/2020/spring/if-you-think-your-dna-anonymous-think-again/
22:01 TR Bot; If You Think Your DNA Is Anonymous, Think Again!
22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05029-9
22:01 TR Bot; The ethics of catching criminals using their familys DNA
22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/magazine/dna-test-crime-identification-genome.html
22:01 TR Bot; How Your DNA Test Could Send a Relative to Jail - The New York Times
22:01 reptilian_thrills; if-you-think-your-dna-anonymous <- how the fuck could it be
22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.zdnet.com/article/home-dna-kit-company-asks-you-to-upload-your-family-tree-for-the-fbi/
22:01 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit...
22:01 TR Bot; DNA kit company asks you to upload your family tree for the FBI | ZDNET
22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://futurism.com/neoscope/man-charged-rape-uploading-dna-ancestry
22:01 TR Bot; Man Charged With Rape After Uploading His DNA to Ancestry Site
22:01 Helenah; I haven't spent a single penny...
22:01 reptilian_thrills; its like a username you can never change, or unlink from yourself
22:01 DaemonFC; "Partners generally do not qualify as spouses or dependents
22:01 DaemonFC; for federal income tax purposes. Therefore, the value of
22:01 DaemonFC; companyprovided medical (including the HRA) coverage
22:01 DaemonFC; that relates to your partner, or your partners children, is
22:01 DaemonFC; generally considered imputed income and taxable to you"
22:01 DaemonFC; Sounds like Matt GULAG should step on it and get married.
22:02 DaemonFC; For tax purposes.
22:02 reptilian_thrills; biometric data isnt a password, its a username
22:02 DaemonFC; While he bangs everyone at the open sores conference.
22:02 phanes; DaemonFC, that would be un-anarchist to get married, and it also makes him less disposable so she'd never go for it
22:02 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit...
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> (NEW): Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Tools_for_Linux_Users_to_Not_Miss_Out_On.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Tools_for_Linux_Users_to_Not_Miss_Out_On.gmi
22:02 Helenah; I haven't spent a single penny...
22:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On
22:03 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit...
22:03 Helenah; I haven't spent a single penny...
22:03 Helenah; lol
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; what a tool
22:03 reptilian_thrills; linux users are tools?
22:03 starstreak; linucks btw
22:03 schestowitz[TR]; don't miss out
22:03 reptilian_thrills; "sorry miss"
22:03 Helenah; I'm a linux user. :3
22:03 Helenah; I ain't no tool
22:03 starstreak; i use arch linucks btw
22:04 reptilian_thrills; in communist russia arch linucks uses you
22:04 Helenah; Who wants to see my chest and spine too while you're looking at my head and inner ear? :D
22:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Might as well get the insurance that comes pre-tax.
22:04 Helenah; hahaha
22:04 DaemonFC; B-)
22:04 reptilian_thrills; /me checks starstreaks laptop for malware
22:04 reptilian_thrills; its over 9000!
22:04 reptilian_thrills; malware, malware everywhere
22:04 schestowitz[TR]; attack surface broad
22:05 reptilian_thrills; attack surface broad <- she doesnt like being called that
22:05 Helenah; dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble
22:05 Helenah; dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble
22:05 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, Packages: 1737 (pacman)
22:05 reptilian_thrills; 1737 malware found
22:05 *Helenah huggles up to cat starstreak
22:05 schestowitz[TR]; leet
22:05 starstreak; :)
22:05 reptilian_thrills; drake meme: attack surface broad <- nahh
22:06 schestowitz[TR]; hamper of chocs
22:06 reptilian_thrills; attach surface dame <- :)
22:06 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: leave britney ALONE!!
22:06 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: NO!
22:06 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], :)
22:06 starstreak; lol
22:06 *Helenah huggles up to cat starstreak some more
22:06 starstreak; :3
22:07 reptilian_thrills; norton is like tech support scam
22:08 reptilian_thrills; we found 1000 malware!
22:08 reptilian_thrills; those are cookies.
22:08 reptilian_thrills; "theyre very malicious cookies!"
22:08 TR News; "It is difficult to do stargazing in the evenings in my yard because of all the people walking in and out of the apartment building, and the bright lights when people drive out of their garages" gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221015-0.gmi
22:08 reptilian_thrills; theyre SUPERCOOKIES
22:08 reptilian_thrills; cookie monster? super cookie?
22:08 Helenah; I'm not sure how your DNA can just simply incriminate you. Lets say a knife is found with your DNA on it, just that alone isn't conclusive, there needs to be more than that to go off.
22:08 reptilian_thrills; cookie monster to rescue! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM
22:08 Helenah; As you may have held it but not been the one who used it.
22:09 reptilian_thrills; /me checks arch linux for cookies
22:09 Helenah; So I don't believe the police would just go off the fact your DNA was on that knife...
22:09 Helenah; I don't buy it...
22:09 reptilian_thrills; OMG, this is crawling with malware!
22:09 reptilian_thrills; there are cookies ALL OVER THE PLACE
22:09 TR News; "End-to-end encryption would have to be thwarted by scans on all cell phones." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-negotiations-kick-off-commissioner-johansson-defends-controversial-surveillance-law-before-libe-committee/
22:09 TR Bot; EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee Patrick Breyer
22:09 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: ^
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; k00kies
22:09 reptilian_thrills; your netstat is very infected with internet virus
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; hand of MA K))Ks!
22:10 starstreak; oh noes! not internet virus
22:10 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: cookies aren't classified as malware.
22:10 Helenah; Nor can they be.
22:10 reptilian_thrills; you should connect with the secure vpn to let us diagnose your bank account, i mean computer
22:10 Helenah; Get your facts right about cookies before you make dumb claims...
22:10 Helenah; Jesus
22:10 reptilian_thrills; press the four-flag window key
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; cookies are bugs
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; not bugs in the cookiees
22:10 reptilian_thrills; and hold down rrrrrrr
22:11 reptilian_thrills; not bugs in the cookiees <- reptilian cookies!
22:11 schestowitz[TR]; hands off MA K00Kies!
22:11 starstreak; rrrrrrrrrrrreptoidz
22:11 reptilian_thrills; cookie monster: "that okay, me not hungry"
22:11 phanes; grubhub thinks taco bell and chipotle sell "tacos"
22:11 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: So yeah, my genome. :D
22:12 reptilian_thrills; /me adds reptilian cookie monster to queue
22:12 Helenah; phanes: They don't? o.O
22:12 phanes; hell no
22:12 Helenah; Why have a name like taco bell then?!
22:12 Helenah; Damn
22:12 Helenah; lol
22:12 phanes; i agree
22:12 reptilian_thrills; CRICKETS! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM
22:12 starstreak; crickets are delicious
22:12 starstreak; deep fried nom nom nom nom
22:13 reptilian_thrills; they stay crunchy even in milk
22:13 Helenah; Listening to Vangelis. :3
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; Vangelis is good
22:14 psydruid; The Four Horsemen
22:14 phanes; psydruid, yes?
22:15 reptilian_thrills; /me opens a reptoid chip shop called "fish n chirps"
22:15 psydruid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k
22:15 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k
22:15 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | Aphrodite's Child - The Four Horsemen (video) - Invidious
22:15 psydruid; Vangelis
22:15 psydruid; Roussos
22:15 phanes; lol i bought a gibson les paul and ever since, every single forced ad on youtube and facebook is a guitar commercial
22:17 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: may contain potato
22:17 mjg59_; phanes: The same document that resulted in you finally agreeing to stop deadnaming my partner also provides the appropriate pronouns to describe them
22:17 schestowitz[TR]; trace of potato
22:18 mjg59_; phanes: So I'd appreciate it if you referred to them correctly in that respect
22:18 reptilian_thrills; you got peanut butter in my crickets
22:18 reptilian_thrills; you got crickets in my peanut butter
22:18 schestowitz[TR]; butter? gross!!!
22:18 Helenah; mjg59_: Hi :3
22:19 phanes; hey mjg59_ shut the fuck up
22:19 reptilian_thrills; if your bitter butter makes your batter bitter, get better butter to make your batter better
22:19 Helenah; Woah!
22:19 Helenah; Guys?
22:19 Helenah; :(
22:19 schestowitz[TR]; phanes: muting works
22:19 *Helenah has phanes and mjg59_ make out and kiss
22:19 Helenah; Now be good friends now
22:19 phanes; dude is such a f*cking victim bottom
22:19 schestowitz[TR]; when pigs fly
22:20 mjg59_; phanes: Deliberately misgenderng people doesn't make you look like the good guy
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 TR News; Links 15/10/2022: Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions and Ardour 7.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/ardour-7-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/ardour-7-0/
22:20 TR Bot; Links 15/10/2022: Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions and Ardour 7.0 | Techrights
22:20 reptilian_thrills; if a frog had wings he wouldnt bump his arse when he hopped
22:20 phanes; mjg59_, yeah, well, the core of your premise fails because only one of us is resting purely on outward appearances by fabricating slights
22:21 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
22:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
22:21 phanes; so put some salt on it and learn to persevere
22:21 mjg59_; I'm pretty sure I'm not fabricating the fact that you're referring to my partner using female pronouns when they're not female
22:21 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
22:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
22:21 schestowitz[TR]; when I was 22 people defamed me online
22:21 schestowitz[TR]; claiming I had changed genders
22:21 reptilian_thrills; claiming I had changed genders <- its possible mjg was in on that
22:21 schestowitz[TR]; and at the time mjg59_ was saying transphobic shit, in his words
22:22 schestowitz[TR]; not me
22:22 Helenah; I am confused cause me and phanes were talking about gender earlier and I found nothing wrong with what they said...
22:22 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah that was inappropriate of the
22:22 schestowitz[TR]; but now he tries to use that schtick against me
22:22 phanes; mjg59_, yes, yes, in no way are you in a heteronormative cis relationship and misusing a very real cultural movement that very much does need recognized in society to boost your twitter followers to appear relevant
22:22 reptilian_thrills; now he tries to use that schtick against me <- mostly because he considers you a bad ally
22:22 mjg59_; phanes: I'm pretty clearly not in a heteronormative cis relationship?
22:22 reptilian_thrills; though at least you dont misgender his partner (afaik)
22:22 Helenah; Woah yo guys :(
22:22 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/
22:22 TR Bot; They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights
22:22 *Helenah cries
22:22 schestowitz[TR]; imagine they picks on Torvalds for THIS
22:23 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; just amazing
22:23 reptilian_thrills; torvalds is useless
22:23 phanes; mjg59_, you are very clearly in a heteronormative relationship that you are calling something else to posture as a victim occassionally
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; you would struggle to find ANYTHING sexist he said in 30+ years
22:23 reptilian_thrills; hes done more harm than good
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; and everything he said is in mailing lists
22:23 reptilian_thrills; to both gnu and to bsd
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; so ample data set
22:23 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights
22:23 reptilian_thrills; you would struggle to find ANYTHING sexist he said in 30+ years <- too busy selling out to be a bigot
22:23 Helenah; phanes, mjg59_, Is it really that difficult for you to both like start a new with each other putting the past behind you?
22:23 Helenah; I feel like I'm being er... "nosey"
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; going back to the 1990s "dumb blonde" jokes culture
22:23 Helenah; but I'm really not trying to...
22:23 Helenah; It's just... all this is happening in this channel.
22:23 mjg59_; phanes: Uh I'm super unclear on what you're suggesting here - my partner has been out as non-binary since long before I met them
22:23 Helenah; o.o
22:24 Helenah; mjg59_: So is it possible?
22:24 phanes; Helenah, in order for that to be the case he would need to write letters of apology, publicly, to each individual person he has spent his career defaming and fabricating scandals against
22:24 reptilian_thrills; dumb blonde jokes never died
22:24 reptilian_thrills; theyre all "himbo" jokes now
22:24 Helenah; Oh
22:24 reptilian_thrills; himbos are real ofc
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; in the 1990s "yo momma so fat" jokes were alxso fashionaable
22:24 phanes; Helenah, https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/
22:24 TR Bot; Index of /database/Garrett, Matthew
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; now few would make them
22:24 reptilian_thrills; and tbh we still make fun of dumb blondes, only now theyre called kardashians and its cool b/c theyre privileged
22:24 schestowitz[TR]; because of all this culture change
22:24 Helenah; phanes: But how does it affect your mental health if like everytime you encounter mjg59_, you have something like... idk how to put it... to say
22:25 Helenah; like of this nature
22:25 mjg59_; Helenah: Chris has a bunch of things he objects to about me, but in this case I'm just asking him to stop misgendering y partner
22:25 mjg59_; Which seems like a pretty easy thing for him to do, so I'm unsure why he's refusing to
22:25 Helenah; phanes: So mjg59_ isn't like debunking what you just said about them.
22:25 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> in the 1990s "yo momma so fat" jokes <- yo mamma so problematic she gets cancelled from the intellectual dark web
22:25 phanes; Helenah, if you read through that index, you'll see over a decade of him using things much like this to posture as a victim to try to rely on that community to be his internet warrios and he's destroyed his credibility with it
22:25 phanes; like literally nothing this guy says is real
22:26 reptilian_thrills; yo mammas so problematic even stallman bans her
22:26 Helenah; I forgot the "justice" thing you said but now I remember.
22:26 reptilian_thrills; yo mammas so problematic mjg cant even
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; you momma so dumb blonde?
22:26 Helenah; phanes: Is this you trying to achieve a justice?
22:26 *Helenah looks
22:26 mjg59_; phanes: dude you're pretty clearly on the wrong side of reality in reference to my partner's gender
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; btw, I bring this up partly due to mxo
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; alex oliva
22:26 reptilian_thrills; what has he done now
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; turns out some people dug up messages he sent as a student in brazil
22:27 phanes; mjg59_, i give absolutely zero shits what you or your partner call themselves or anything else
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; with some dumb blonde jokes
22:27 reptilian_thrills; oh for gods sake
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 1980s
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; or 90s
22:27 reptilian_thrills; wait, thats not new
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; to discredit or blackmail him
22:27 mjg59_; phanes: If you give zero shits, then using the correct pronouns costs you nothing, right?
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; to secure the rms "cancel move"
22:27 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> to discredit or blackmail him <- that reminds me of the uhf scene where weird al goes through al capones glove compartment
22:27 reptilian_thrills; "AHAAA! ROOOAD MAPS!!!!!!"
22:27 phanes; mjg59_, stop victim posturing or you'll just simply be ridiculed and ignored until you're contributing productively
22:28 DaemonFC; Great. The server crashed before I could finish the application.
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; "YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT RICHARD SAID IN 1970!!!"
22:28 DaemonFC; Walmart LOVES Microsoft.
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; it does
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; even cross-pollinatinng
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; the managers
22:28 reptilian_thrills; alex oliva was a HUGE transphobe 20 years ago
22:28 mjg59_; phanes: I'm unclear on how asking you to gender my partner correctly is *me* being a victim
22:28 reptilian_thrills; he and i ran a camp to reeducate them into cishets
22:28 phanes; mjg59_, nobody's buying your shit man. give it up.
22:28 mjg59_; phanes: Dude there is something extremely wrong with you
22:28 reptilian_thrills; in rio de janiero
22:29 phanes; mjg59_, yet here i am completely unmoved, how about that.
22:29 Helenah; o.o
22:29 reptilian_thrills; we kept them all in shock collars (for their protection) and kuhn was the warden
22:29 mjg59_; phanes: Eh. If you want to look transphobic it's your choice
22:29 reptilian_thrills; i mean head counselor
22:30 phanes; mjg59_, nobody buys that shit either.
22:30 phanes; you're used up
22:30 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
22:30 frog; i want to fully remove GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem, and rollback linux to v2.4 if possible
22:30 mjg59_; phanes: I've asked you to gender my partner correctly, you've refused, I guess we're done
22:30 reptilian_thrills; even cross-pollinatinng <- is that what they call it now
22:30 starstreak; phanes, I'm trans and I think you're being transphobic
22:30 phanes; mjg59_, you were done 5 years ago man. im still going just fine.
22:30 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights
22:31 frog; i don't care if you're all trans or homo
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ has done nothing significant for years
22:31 reptilian_thrills; anyway, there was a rebellioin, they all broke loose and now half of brazil is trans
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; did not even marry
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; but spent years here in irc, venting
22:31 reptilian_thrills; so basically we lost. but im not mad, i actually think they were right all along
22:31 reptilian_thrills; we made some mistakes
22:31 psydruid; except being a Microsoft booster and future Microsoft employee
22:31 reptilian_thrills; and future Microsoft employee <- this is funny but i doubt it
22:32 reptilian_thrills; i get the "he already works for microsoft" angle
22:32 reptilian_thrills; its one of those things thats true a certain way, just not literally
22:32 Helenah; Paolo Bonzini noticed something a little awkward in the Linux kernel support code for Microsoft's HyperV virtualisation environment - specifically, that the magic constant passed through to the hypervisor was "0xB16B00B5", or, in English, "BIG BOOBS". It turns out that this isn't an exception - when the code was originally submitted it also contained "0x0B00B135". That one got
22:32 Helenah; removed when the Xen support code was ripped out.
22:32 Helenah; At the most basic level it's just straightforward childish humour, and the use of vaguely-English strings in magic hex constants is hardly uncommon. But it's also specifically male childish humour. Puerile sniggering at breasts contributes to the continuing impression that software development is a boys club where girls aren't welcome. It's especially irritating in this case
22:32 Helenah; because Azure may depend on this constant, so changing it will break things.
22:32 Helenah; So, full marks, Microsoft. You've managed to make the kernel more offensive to half the population and you've made it awkward for us to rectify it.
22:32 Helenah; So erm... and how would this affect and offend me?
22:32 reptilian_thrills; dfc worked for them
22:32 Helenah; Why would I make this a problem for myself if I ever saw such in code?
22:32 reptilian_thrills; i always assumed in a less limited capacity
22:33 reptilian_thrills; due partly to not knowing exactly what a microsoft mvp was
22:33 reptilian_thrills; if id been cynical enough (point for mincer) i could have guessed
22:33 phanes; mjg59_, btw on a completely unrelated topic, how is drafting those apology letters going?
22:34 Helenah; mjg59_: Is your name Paolo Bonzini?
22:34 mjg59_; Helenah: No
22:34 phanes; mjg59_, i also assume these letters will include retractions for the lies you've told about people
22:34 psydruid; It's me, Paolo
22:35 psydruid; Or no
22:35 TR News; People write proprietary software just for a salary. No personal pride or recognition in it.
22:35 psydruid; It's me, Mario
22:35 reptilian_thrills; /me wonders who actually thinks it fucking matters that oliva made some dumb blonde jokes
22:35 mjg59_; phanes: I remain unaware of any lies I've told about people.
22:35 reptilian_thrills; 20-30 years ago
22:35 reptilian_thrills; sarah mei
22:36 reptilian_thrills; grand inquisitor
22:36 reptilian_thrills; ice
22:36 phanes; mjg59_, you can pretend that but literally anyone who can read and has an internet connection has an indexed list of just the ones i know about and have documented in an indexed, chronological order
22:36 reptilian_thrills; so she knows all about going after south americans, eh
22:37 reptilian_thrills; "get back on your side of the wall!"
22:37 reptilian_thrills; "fence"
22:37 phanes; mjg59_, you can deny that you are aware of this, but I know factually that you have seen it many times
22:37 reptilian_thrills; "your side of the fence!"
22:37 mjg59_; phanes: Me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is a lie?
22:37 reptilian_thrills; what do we want? fence! when do we want it? fence!
22:37 schestowitz[TR]; mei oh mei!
22:37 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
22:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
22:37 phanes; mjg59_, no that's just you cherry picking a detail out of context when you found yourself unable or unwilling to address the totality of what was said
22:37 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, attack surface btw! :D
22:38 reptilian_thrills; 1700 malware and counting
22:38 mjg59_; phanes: Ok, so you're not saying that your list is totally a list of me saying lies. Can you let me know what subset of the list contains me telling lies?
22:38 phanes; mjg59_, if you can't bring yourself to be an honest person, bring yourself to be a much quieter person -- you are outclassed and no amount of misrepresentation will win you any battles with me.
22:38 reptilian_thrills; /me runs malware updates
22:39 TR News; (How do you pronounce BeOS?) https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/10/going-where-beos-netpositive-hasnt-gone.html
22:39 TR Bot; Old Vintage Computing Research: Going where BeOS NetPositive hasn't gone before: NetPositive+
22:39 phanes; mjg59_, there's just not an argument to have. improve or fade into obscurity and shame.
22:39 reptilian_thrills; sarah mei: if you dont fire stallman and oliva imma put oliva in a concentration camp because hes not progressive enough!
22:39 TR News; World's first fusion reactor will be open in UK by 2040 https://interestingengineering.com/science/uk-to-get-fusion-2040 Source: Interesting Engineering | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//interestingengineering.com/science/uk-to-get-fusion-2040
22:39 reptilian_thrills; okay eva braun, calm the fuck down
22:39 TR Bot; World's first fusion reactor will be open in UK by 2040
22:39 mjg59_; phanes: I'm sorry to break it to you, but other than you literally nobody cares about you
22:39 Helenah; Rise up like a tower, allow the wind to strengthen your back as it blows you about
22:39 reptilian_thrills; /me checks sarah meis roots
22:39 Helenah; Come back ever bigger and stronger
22:39 phanes; mjg59_, good thing it's not about me, then; you are failing to hit your mark.
22:39 reptilian_thrills; you never know...
22:40 Helenah; mjg59_: I don't care about phanes? o.O
22:40 reptilian_thrills; you can only make fun of dumb blondes when theyre alt-right
22:40 Helenah; Then why was I touched by his NPD story?
22:40 TR News; Just boycott Walmart. It hates people, why should people tolerate that? https://retailwire.com/discussion/walmart-makes-a-deal-to-automate-and-own-the-last-mile/
22:40 TR Bot; makes a deal to automate and own the last mile - RetailWire
22:40 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: ^
22:40 Helenah; Where as you on the other hand, I don't really know you at all.
22:41 phanes; that would be the "obscurity" blade on the "obscurity and shame" sword
22:41 Helenah; Oh
22:41 mjg59_; Helenah: You should consider the possibility that he's lying about it
22:41 phanes; oh, am I a big liar now?
22:41 Helenah; mjg59_: But I can't prove it or disprove it.
22:41 phanes; lol "this 3rd party archive list of events is a lie"
22:42 mjg59_; Helenah: True! But he did write a lengthy series of blog posts about it and then weirdly removed his name from it
22:42 reptilian_thrills; faux news: dumb blondes
22:42 phanes; like it's even sourced
22:42 Helenah; mjg59_: But that could mean anything.
22:42 reptilian_thrills; entire democratic party: sacred
22:42 Helenah; Like I can't find out why phanes would do that, nor can you.
22:42 reptilian_thrills; everyone connected to ice: mixed bag
22:42 Helenah; We don't know phanes in real life.
22:43 mjg59_; He's also lied about not altering the contents of a Twitter account
22:43 phanes; mjg59_, one of us has a long and documented history of exposing bad actors and the other has a long and documented history of being called out for lying about people
22:43 Helenah; But phanes claims you lie so.
22:43 *Helenah shrugs
22:43 mjg59_; When actually he renamed that twitter account and deleted some tweets from it
22:43 reptilian_thrills; He's also lied about not altering the contents of a Twitter account <- i hope you sent him to the principals office
22:43 phanes; like you literally have no power here
22:43 mjg59_; And then created another account under the original name
22:43 phanes; it won't work
22:43 reptilian_thrills; i would write a note to his parents
22:43 mjg59_; Which isn't a big deal, other than the repeated claims that he didn't do that
22:44 reptilian_thrills; Which isn't a big deal, other than the repeated claims that he didn't do that <- agreed
22:44 mjg59_; Like, dude, just admit you created a twitter account to harass people under someone else's name
22:44 reptilian_thrills; fwiw i honestly find it hard to trust oliva. im not sure hes dishonest (in any broad or meaningful way)
22:44 Helenah; I'm going to be honest here...
22:44 Helenah; You seem to be calling each other the same thing, a liar.
22:44 reptilian_thrills; to harass people under someone else's name <- it would be better to admit who he was harassing, if harassing them was so important
22:44 reptilian_thrills; who was he harassing?
22:45 Helenah; How am I... supposed to make sense of that? D
22:45 Helenah; :D
22:45 Helenah; I can't!
22:46 phanes; every time he does this i work on presenting the content a little more cleanly to highlight the pattern in a more obvious way
22:46 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I've also changed my name on accounts but there was certainly no sinister reason to me doing so.
22:46 *phanes clears his schedule
22:46 Helenah; So why would I take your reason for phanes changing name on an account as the valid one?
22:47 starstreak; Smoke weed every day
22:47 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: He created a twitter account called void_witch2 to harass people who signed the RMS letter, when void_witch belonged to one of the people who had signed it
22:47 Helenah; Even if you said the reason was non-sinister, why would I take that reason as a valid one?
22:47 phanes; and there's a new entry
22:47 reptilian_thrills; when void_witch belonged to one of the people who had signed it <- this is poor form imo
22:47 mjg59_; Helenah: https://web.archive.org/web/20161203110759/http://punches-pawloski-fiasco.blogspot.com/ is the weird blog website
22:47 TR Bot; The Truth about the Punches-Pawloski Engagement
22:48 reptilian_thrills; also i didnt know he was harassing people who signed the letter :)
22:48 phanes; i wasn't
22:48 mjg59_; Helenah: If you visit the live copy at http://punches-pawloski-fiasco.blogspot.com/ every reference to "Chris Punches" has been replaced with "Jerry Thibodeau"
22:48 TR Bot; The Truth about the Punches-Pawloski Engagement
22:48 phanes; that's just a twist he adds to it
22:48 reptilian_thrills; /me smiles inside
22:48 reptilian_thrills; but in all seriousness i have no idea what he said so
22:48 reptilian_thrills; some of it may be unfair
22:49 reptilian_thrills; like i get why roy points so many unfair/unsubstantiated claims at you
22:49 phanes; its a defensive fabrication he's created to justify his initial defamation of me
22:49 TR News; "The planned European Digital Identity is intended to give EU citizens access to public and private digital services and enable them to pay online" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/european-digital-identity-eu-parliament-wants-decentralized-data-storage-and-right-to-anonymity/
22:49 TR Bot; European Digital Identity: EU Parliament wants decentralized data storage and right to anonymity Patrick Breyer
22:49 reptilian_thrills; its sort of divine justice because... i mean assuming you did anything like that
22:49 reptilian_thrills; but just because youre the local face of the cancel mob doesnt mean we can blame you for everything either
22:49 TR News; In these times of war, it is absolutely crucial to still be able to make anonymous payments to support those that are the most at risk of being persecuted." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/pirates-are-against-the-new-rules-on-crypto-assets-which-will-ban-anonymous-payments/
22:49 reptilian_thrills; unless thats also part of the joke...
22:49 TR Bot; Pirates are against the new rules on crypto assets which will ban anonymous payments Patrick Breyer
22:50 reptilian_thrills; but tbh i dont think its anything as clever as that
22:50 reptilian_thrills; i think its not ironic scapegoating (which i would find funny) but actual scapegoating
22:50 reptilian_thrills; and my biggest problem with that isnt that its unfair to you of course
22:50 reptilian_thrills; its that its too fair to EVERYONE ELSE
22:51 reptilian_thrills; its like if 1000 people shot a guy and you execute the one that drove the car
22:51 Helenah; So who is Chris and who is Courtney?
22:51 reptilian_thrills; i hate that sort of miscarriage of justice
22:51 Helenah; Courtney sounds familiar
22:51 TR News; Mercedes-Benz gives data to the NSA https://staceyoniot.com/iot-news-of-the-week-for-oct-14-2022/
22:51 TR Bot; IoT news of the week for Oct. 14, 2022 - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
22:51 reptilian_thrills; even when i dont like the people its aimed at
22:51 phanes; Helenah, I am Chris
22:51 Helenah; I met a new zealandic girl called courtney
22:51 reptilian_thrills; i dont think they should have hanged saddam either
22:51 Helenah; phanes: Ah
22:51 reptilian_thrills; if they invaded at all (which seems bogus)
22:51 reptilian_thrills; they could have at least shot him like he preferred
22:51 TR News; (The many pieces involved in a SSD's performance also provide plenty of room for differences between SSDs, much more so than there's been in HDDs for a long time. Manufacturers can even switch components and change designs within the same model over time, with visible performance effects (generally it goes down).) b
22:51 reptilian_thrills; its a perfectly reasonable request
22:52 TR News; [ctd.] "Because there are no slow mechanical parts to SSDs (only somewhat slow flash parts), the speed of everything else in the system also increasingly matters" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SSDNoPerformanceIntuitions
22:52 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/SSDNoPerformanceIntuitions
22:52 Helenah; So who is Katrina St. Jean?
22:52 reptilian_thrills; why did they hang him? politics
22:52 reptilian_thrills; i fucking loathe it
22:52 reptilian_thrills; nvm that i was against the invasion before, during and after
22:52 frog; reptilian_thrills: saddam deployed chemical weapons
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hill_(activist)
22:52 TR Bot; Joe Hill (activist) - Wikipedia
22:53 mjg59_; phanes: Is it a lie to say that you renamed a twitter account called lord_bagira to void_witch2? And it a lie to say that you later renamed that accont to equitis_rubrum and then created a new account called void_witch2?
22:53 phanes; Helenah, Katrina at the time was a bystander to the whole thing because i had moved hundreds of miles away to get out of the net and was still being bombarded with false accusations that couldn't be true without close proximity
22:53 reptilian_thrills; ive been proteting iraq since (early) 2003
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; in 2010 they would not execute him like that
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; by accusing him of murder
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; he was a swede
22:53 phanes; mjg59_, im not going to teach you to refine your lie to be more believable
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; they'd claim he raped scores of swedes
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; and then "kill" him online
22:53 reptilian_thrills; in 2010 saddam would get cancelled on twitter and his palace would get taken over by microsoft and ibm :)
22:53 reptilian_thrills; right!
22:54 reptilian_thrills; ok you were going in the same direction
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
22:54 mjg59_; phanes: Ok, so you're not saying that I'm lying there
22:54 Helenah; mjg59_: What if phanes did lie in the past about things and is still lying about those things already lied about via shame? What if from there onwards things are truthful? Why continually get on phanes's case about that?
22:54 phanes; No it was all true Helenah -- I've never lied about people
22:55 Helenah; Okies
22:55 Helenah; I'm a very impartial person as you may have noticed.
22:55 phanes; I have literally only ever exposed people who do those kinds of things and have spent most of my adult life exposing people like that because I think they need to be more visible in the social consciousness to protect people
22:55 mjg59_; Helenah: He wrote an entire website to call me a liar, which seems a bit weird
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; if they insist on executing saddan, they should do the same to bush II
22:56 phanes; mjg59_, yes and it will become more refined over the years and will continue to collect instances where you lie about people as you make them or as they are found
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; but it's like a coc committee, the rules are enforced only by a glofied bunch of "the few"
22:56 phanes; it will also become higher ranked in search engines eventually and will work its way into your daily conversations as time goes on
22:56 phanes; that's the good part
22:56 Helenah; mjg59_: phanes spoke to me about their "justice" principle earlier.
22:56 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> if they insist on executing saddan, they should do the same to bush II <- both are war criminals and torturers
22:57 phanes; the bad part is after that, it will stop getting brought up by those same people
22:57 Helenah; With that in mind, if the website is true, it's not very weird.
22:57 Helenah; :)
22:57 Helenah; And in character for phanes
22:57 Helenah; based on that aspect alone
22:57 mjg59_; phanes: But you've already admitted that it contains examples where I'm not lying
22:57 phanes; mjg59_, no things you say on my behalf are not things that I said
22:57 phanes; mjg59_, you continue to make that mistake
22:57 reptilian_thrills; actual war criminals. not war criminals becaus they said something about another war criminal in an email in 1997
22:57 reptilian_thrills; and that means theyre war criminal apologists
22:58 reptilian_thrills; and that means natalie wynn is a terf
22:58 frog; jesus, everyone has made one or another mistake in life
22:58 phanes; mjg59_, what I did say is that you are outclassed, and I have also said at times that I've studied your disorder, and I've also said that there's only one way out of it.
22:58 frog; is it necessary nowadays, to become a holy saint blessed by the pope, to participate with free software?
22:58 schestowitz[TR]; Theodore tso is therapist apologist
22:58 reptilian_thrills; i was watching lonely island today and found they did a video (which i saw years ago) with actual john waters
22:58 reptilian_thrills; Theodore tso is therapist apologist <- hes a dumb blonde joke apologist too
22:59 schestowitz[TR]; linus torvsalds is therapist patient
22:59 Helenah; mjg59_: Do you have NPD?
22:59 frog; meanwhile, i want to fully remove GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem and never again depend on it with free software
22:59 reptilian_thrills; linus torvsalds is therapist patient <- lots of luck to the therapist
22:59 phanes; mjg59_, if you find a way to destroy me, that won't make it go away. It'll just make me more determined. Write those letters.
22:59 Helenah; If you say "No", is there a chance you have something you do not recognise as being disorderly?
22:59 mjg59_; phanes: Are you seriously going to argue that me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is a lie?
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 50.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 117.01
22:59 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> linus torvsalds is therapist patient <- lots of luck to the therapist
22:59 schestowitz[TR]; maybe they will fidn something on the health subject
22:59 mjg59_; Helenah: To the best of my knowledge, I don't. My therapists have never suggested it.
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; it's the US, not finland
23:00 phanes; mjg59_, no that's just you cherry picking a detail out of context when you found yourself unable or unwilling to address the totality of what was said
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; they could use repeat clients
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; *healthy subject
23:00 reptilian_thrills; they could put his dna on github
23:00 reptilian_thrills; and then recode it in rust
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; in the copilot plagiarism blender
23:00 Helenah; DNA doesn't work like that reptilian_thrills
23:00 mjg59_; phanes: Ok. So if me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is one of the examples on your website, and if me calling Kevin Kofler a dick isn't a lie, then your website contains examples of my behaviour that don't involve me lying.
23:00 Helenah; You can't simply recode it with some language. lol
23:00 reptilian_thrills; and then put crickets in the linucks kernel
23:01 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: then he needs tetanus short administered
23:01 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> in the copilot plagiarism blender <- i prefer to think of it like the machine in the fly
23:01 phanes; mjg59_, you're also out of ammunition. Every disabling embarrassment you've found is already addressed and disarmed as a weapon. You'll have to find something internal that can unlock your situation.
23:01 Helenah; But you ignore me anyway, probably because I'm a woman and therefore I'm not worthy of your responses.
23:01 schestowitz[TR]; bill: shot of tetanus for rust: $10; nurse: $100; hospital visit: $1000
23:01 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> reptilian_thrills: then he needs tetanus short administered <- ah yes, to weaken his immune system to everything but tetanus!
23:02 phanes; mjg59_, https://youtu.be/fYI36CVar_8
23:02 TR Bot; https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=fYI36CVar_8
23:02 TR Bot; not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=fYI36CVar_8 )
23:02 reptilian_thrills; "yes youre impervious to tetanus now. but watch out for tea with a bit of mould cause it will fucking kill you now"
23:02 Helenah; But you ignore me anyway, probably because I'm a woman and therefore I'm not worthy of your responses. < reptilian_thrills
23:03 reptilian_thrills; not that you should make mouldy tea, just that youd more than likely live
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: sounds like a misunderstanding
23:03 Helenah; I'm probably some level 1 dumbo at rock bottom in your eyes, reptilian_thrills and in your eyes I probably can't make it to level 5 like you are because I'm a woman.
23:03 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: It is? They've ghosted even the first line I ever said to them, ever!
23:04 reptilian_thrills; brb
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23:04 schestowitz[TR]; i never saw evidence of him discriminating against women
23:04 Helenah; Well the only thing they knew about me at the time was my fucking nickname!
23:04 Helenah; I'm right to have my suspicions...
23:04 Helenah; and that reptilian guy not willing to fucking clear things up
23:04 Helenah; because he's ignorant and doesn't care to respond to a single bloody thing I ever said to him or in front of him...
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; I'd have to scroll up and check
23:06 Helenah; My suspicians aren't ill founded...
23:06 Helenah; *suspicions
23:06 TR News; "Does this TCP level serialization matter? I don't know." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/NFSOneTCPConnectionToAServer
23:06 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/NFSOneTCPConnectionToAServer
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: maybe you are right
23:06 Helenah; There is valid reasoning behind it...
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; I'll ask upon reconnection
23:06 Helenah; Sure, please do.
23:06 Helenah; Cause I've spoken to a brick wall a dozen times now and I don't appreciate the wasted energy...
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: on another note, how is life?
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; been a warn October
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; *Warmn
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; -ish
23:08 TR News; No, that would mean more surveillance by already-dodgy companies https://staceyoniot.com/podcast-why-roku-needs-the-smart-home/
23:08 TR Bot; Podcast: Why Roku needs the smart home - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
23:08 Helenah; It's good :D
23:08 frog; linux-2.4 didn't have support for HyperV, to whom it may concern
23:08 schestowitz[TR]; considering what the average family goes through, good means exceptional
23:09 schestowitz[TR]; forkbombe: even 3.0 I reckon
23:09 schestowitz[TR]; frog: ^
23:09 schestowitz[TR]; it was added by Novell around 2009
23:09 frog; currently, i am too tired, need a few days before i continue
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/blog/its-official-linux-3-0-released/
23:10 TR Bot; It's Official: Linux 3.0 Released - Linux Foundation
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; Jul 22 2011
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; after Novell was sold
23:10 Helenah; Fuck it's been that long? o:
23:11 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Someone doesn't need to outwardly be prejudice to be prejudice, they can secretly hold it internally and never express prejudism but use more stealthy approaches.
23:11 frog; and this is what i told German Railway, Telekom, and EPA, what i am doing
23:11 Helenah; and seriously ghosting doesn't happen for no reason, there is something in it.
23:11 TR News; Can we, like... stop calling everything "HEY HI" while adding robot stock photographs? https://thenextweb.com/news/common-sense-test-for-ai-smarter-machines promoting sick agenda using words that lack substance
23:11 TR Bot; A new common sense test for AI could lead to smarter machines
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: I can try to be a mediator
23:12 frog; that i want to roll-back, and remove various GNU stuff
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; but then I too might be blacklisted
23:12 frog; and, it's very difficult, and almost impossible nowadays
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; you use a gentoo base
23:12 Helenah; It has happened to me before just like he did where the only thing they know about me is my name is Helena and I said Hi to them.
23:13 schestowitz[TR]; a modern one
23:13 frog; the giant mountain of electronics waste wreckage, none of it is "sustainable"
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23:13 Helenah; and that's the annoying thing about being a woman, what I say comes last with a misogynistic group of people who won't be obviously misogynist.
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23:13 schestowitz[TR]; one option you have is, run a new distro with an internet-turned-off VM of an old distro
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23:14 schestowitz[TR]; hi reptilian_thrills
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah lives near us
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; you said you used to live in the UK also
23:14 reptilian_thrills; thats right
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; she's nice
23:15 reptilian_thrills; lol wut
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; and wonders why you don't seem to respond
23:15 reptilian_thrills; /me turns the monitor sideways and back
23:15 reptilian_thrills; maybe im not holding it right
23:16 TR News; BMW: we helped the Nazis, now we help the US put listening devices in your car https://voicebot.ai/2022/09/30/alexa-custom-assistant-will-power-bmws-voice-ai/
23:16 TR Bot; Custom Assistant Will Power BMW's Voice AI - Voicebot.ai
23:16 Helenah; Lol, what? You happened to have no seen the multiple things I've said to you? I'm not sure how you can see the lines of a select few people unless you have me on your ignore list...
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; voice HEY HI
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; we used to have other terms for bugs
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; now it's HEY HI
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; "Assistent"
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; smart assistant"
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; "welcome to hellenah"
23:17 reptilian_thrills; she wore a raspberry spy
23:17 Helenah; It's not a bug though if people opt to have it in their home.
23:17 Helenah; A bug is something you didn't consent to.
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; wait
23:17 reptilian_thrills; the kind you buy second hand on ebay
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; it's not that simpe
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; gifting aaside
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; some people share a home
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; with family members
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23:18 schestowitz[TR]; some companies put that in an office
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; or inside car when you never opt in
23:18 Helenah; Well in that case it's valid for members of the home.
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23:18 schestowitz[TR]; not all of them
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; then there is antoher issue
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; kids.
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; do kids consent
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; can they?
23:19 Helenah; And doesn't the wake word not stop it from listening in?
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; also, "kids say the arnest thing"
23:19 Helenah; Can kids consent to having smart phones?
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; -said asome famous pervery called bill
23:19 reptilian_thrills; Helenah <- sorry if you were trying to talk to me before
23:19 Helenah; They still have them
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; not cosby and agtes
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; or clinton
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; and the kids can tell "alexa" sutf about mom and dad
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; <Helenah> Can kids consent to having smart phones?
23:19 reptilian_thrills; i nearly whitelist new names at this point
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; no
23:19 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist and this is a problem in myself, I'm sorry.
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; and I ibject to them having those
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; since the 90s
23:19 reptilian_thrills; close enough
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:20 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Kids didn't really have them in the 90s.
23:20 Helenah; Well not in the UK
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: mystery solved
23:20 Helenah; In the 90s, I never saw a kid with a mobile phone.
23:20 reptilian_thrills; I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist <- if you mean you assumed that i dont talk to women because theyre not smart enough, ada invented the loop and hopper invented modern languages
23:20 Helenah; Because it was seen as not a toy
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; whitelist based irc
23:20 Helenah; therefore it was seen as something that a kid shouldn't have
23:20 reptilian_thrills; if you mean that i defend alex oliva making stupid jokes in his 20s, yes
23:21 Helenah; and yes I don't understand why all of a sudden it's fine for kids to have phones.
23:21 reptilian_thrills; i think its safe to say everyones a little misogynist, hopefully not too much
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; phones is one thing
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; what we have now itn''s a phone
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; but a spying device with a "Call" app
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; aside from health issus
23:21 Helenah; Well I say "phone"
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; and those phones put kids at risk
23:21 Helenah; cause everyone else does
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; not just from pedos but also robberies
23:21 Helenah; but I'm more for the old fashioned term of phone
23:22 Helenah; the proper term
23:22 Helenah; which means that to me
23:22 schestowitz[TR]; remember when you were a kid
23:22 Helenah; really smartphones are not phones
23:22 Helenah; they're pocketable computers
23:22 schestowitz[TR]; mom and dad would not give you 200 pounds in notes
23:22 Helenah; general purpose embedded devices
23:22 reptilian_thrills; /me really hope that shes not german
23:22 Helenah; with a piece of software on it called a softphone
23:22 schestowitz[TR]; just enough to buy some junk
23:22 reptilian_thrills; but i dont think so
23:22 Helenah; ie a telephone emulation
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23:22 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, over time
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; it becomes more ip-based
23:23 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: It really is just a problem in myself.
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; many now use whatsapp
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; i never used it
23:23 Helenah; I've been ghosted by guys loads of times.
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; or saw it
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; but I hear people use it a lot
23:23 Helenah; maybe you weren't trying to ghost me.
23:23 reptilian_thrills; ghosting sucks. though i only consider it ghosting personally if there was a friendship or relationship prior to the ghosting
23:23 frog; what is ghosting?
23:23 Helenah; Pascal was developed by a woman if I remember correctly.
23:23 reptilian_thrills; no, i was just filtering the chat, its not because of you personally
23:24 Helenah; oh
23:24 *geert huggs Helenah, schestowitz, frog and even reptilian_thrills
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; the channel can be full of crap without filters
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; I too filter the chat a bit
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; not for the logs, just for me
23:24 Helenah; Oh it wasn't pascal
23:24 geert; interpretation
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; hi geert
23:24 reptilian_thrills; yeah sometimes ill miss something and go back and check the logs
23:24 geert; :)
23:24 geert; i got a bit sessy
23:24 Helenah; It was cobal
23:24 reptilian_thrills; i saw roy imply i was ignoring someone, wondered what he meant
23:24 Helenah; cobol
23:24 reptilian_thrills; then guessed correctly
23:24 geert; plz no penal lines here too :s
23:24 Helenah; Grace Hopper
23:25 reptilian_thrills; 22:24 <Helenah> Grace Hopper
23:25 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
23:25 schestowitz[TR]; I was gonna say
23:25 DaemonFC; Of course Walmart's beneficiary app only works in Internet Exploder.
23:25 reptilian_thrills; 22:20 <reptilian_thrills> I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist <- if you mean you assumed that i dont talk to women because theyre not smart enough, ada invented the loop and hopper invented modern languages
23:25 schestowitz[TR]; pascal was my first proper p/l
23:25 schestowitz[TR]; not scripting langs
23:25 reptilian_thrills; yeah hopper invented modern languages (imo)
23:25 DaemonFC; So I'm downloading a Virtualbox image of Windows 10 to deal with this.
23:25 DaemonFC; Can you believe this fucking shit?
23:25 reptilian_thrills; syntax-wise
23:25 schestowitz[TR]; pascal become a subject of mystique about reptilian_thrills
23:26 reptilian_thrills; pascal become a subject of mystique about reptilian_thrills <- this is so markov
23:26 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Yes I read that already :D
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; because he left the chanbnel for months after a banal conversation about pascal had taken place
23:26 Helenah; Though
23:26 Helenah; It is hard keeping track in this channel
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; so people figured out it cann't be pascal that out him off
23:26 DaemonFC; https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/
23:26 TR Bot; Virtual Machines - Microsoft Edge Developer
23:26 Helenah; because people seem to do a lot of dumping massive amounts of information
23:26 reptilian_thrills; It is hard keeping track in this channel <- the bots dont help imo
23:26 DaemonFC; The password to your VM is "Passw0rd!"
23:26 DaemonFC; LOL
23:26 reptilian_thrills; because people seem to do a lot of dumping massive amounts of information <- thats true
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: they are consistently name
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; so easy to mute
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; *nbamed
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; *named
23:26 reptilian_thrills; so easy to mute <- yes
23:26 reptilian_thrills; thats fair
23:26 Helenah; DaemonFC is notorious for the information dumping
23:27 Helenah; No offense meant DaemonFC
23:27 geert; oof i actually never got to properly utilize any p/l
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; wall of text
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; and also offensive at times
23:27 reptilian_thrills; what do we want? wall! when do we want it? wall!
23:27 Helenah; That...
23:27 Helenah; I know that line...
23:27 Helenah; It's from a song...
23:27 DaemonFC; Someone activated mjg59_ earlier.
23:27 reptilian_thrills; its actually from a guy in canada
23:27 Helenah; What do we want? .... When do we want it? NOW!
23:27 Helenah; Oh
23:28 reptilian_thrills; yeah its based on an old chant
23:28 TR News; Rare Electrical Recordings of the Human Brain Give Detailed Picture of Neural Activity https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2022/october/rare-electrical-recordings-of-the-human-brain-give-detailed-pict.html Source: uni New York
23:28 TR Bot; Rare Electrical Recordings of the Human Brain Give Detailed Picture of Neural Activity
23:28 Helenah; :D
23:28 DaemonFC; Insert Quarter......get 15 minutes of mjg59_ ranting about transphobes that he saw in his morning cereal.
23:28 frog; most people here talk to themselves only it seems
23:28 reptilian_thrills; i dont think the chant can be traced to its author
23:28 reptilian_thrills; its got a life of its own now
23:28 TR News; "The adoption of online grocery is expected to be even higher in parts of Europe." https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/retail/our-insights/the-state-of-grocery-retail-around-the-world?cid=app
23:28 TR Bot; global grocery retail sector in 2022 and beyond | McKinsey
23:29 Helenah; I wonder how Grace Hopper felt competing in a male-oriented industry in those days?
23:29 reptilian_thrills; folk music is like this too, things get attributed to the first guy to record it for sun house
23:29 Helenah; 1950s cobol was developed, weren't it?
23:29 reptilian_thrills; I wonder how Grace Hopper felt competing in a male-oriented industry in those days <- i mean she owned the floor when she walked into it
23:29 reptilian_thrills; hopper was a boss
23:29 schestowitz[TR]; afaik, cobol was like a spec
23:29 Helenah; Hell I even got mansplained when building my shed. I just told all the men to go fuck off.
23:29 schestowitz[TR]; and multiple implementations would exist
23:30 Helenah; and the shed was complete
23:30 Helenah; and sound
23:30 reptilian_thrills; look at her in front of the univac, surrounded by guys (even a black guy, considering how old the picture is)
23:30 reptilian_thrills; she commands respect
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: just try not to overgeneralise
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; there are thousands of cultures in the world
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; more than british accents ;-)
23:30 reptilian_thrills; there are thousands of cultures in the world <- at least there used to be
23:31 reptilian_thrills; hundreds of distros too
23:31 frog; among the earliest programming languages were Zuse Plankalkuel and Algol
23:31 reptilian_thrills; what design did you go for when building the shed
23:31 reptilian_thrills; or did you draw the plans up
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; thousands of distros if you count barely-used ones
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; that DW did not list
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; we used to have our own for boytcottnovell
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; sueme linus
23:31 frog; and there isn't hundreds of distros either, most of them just swap wallpaper and gnome theming
23:31 geert; cultures, another name for often conditioned pretenses to try escape on reality of serious individualism
23:31 geert; : feeling alone
23:31 reptilian_thrills; sueme
23:31 reptilian_thrills; he
23:31 reptilian_thrills; he
23:32 geert; in many occasions as i get to see it
23:32 geert; gimme sec i get some incoming, hackers or something lol
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; it was fashionable to make mixing tools for make-your-own distro over a decadea go
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; but the fad pased
23:32 reptilian_thrills; people still do it
23:32 reptilian_thrills; its just not in vogue anymore
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; you can make metapackages for it
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; and use a template as base
23:33 reptilian_thrills; i didnt because metapackages would be 100x more tedious
23:33 reptilian_thrills; and not fix things i wanted the power to fix
23:33 reptilian_thrills; my system worked around broken package REGIMES like apt
23:33 Helenah; There you go, my shed built! I got no strength but I even lifted the flags. https://i.imgur.com/dg5krHy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Q6zkFnN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Ukey6yp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PCoNeyj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MCsxZVE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/AwU8a4k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/v58O2dU.jpg
23:33 Helenah; Yep, I lifted slabs by hand.
23:33 Helenah; on my own!!!
23:33 reptilian_thrills; apt is a package middleman, its not even a manager
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; https://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2018/04/27/flatpak-inception/
23:33 TR Bot; Flatpak inception Alexander Larsson
23:33 Helenah; lol
23:34 reptilian_thrills; flatpak is even worse than apt
23:34 reptilian_thrills; why does everything take users FARTHER from controlling their computing? wait, i know
23:34 reptilian_thrills; because open source is the free software thermidor
23:34 phanes; flatpak, snapd et al are based on flawed concepts and should not be used on any system
23:35 Helenah; phanes: Agreed
23:35 frog; the package management and build system of oasis linux are fundementally different, to most any other linux and bsd
23:35 Helenah; and the concept was used by Google in their Android devices
23:35 reptilian_thrills; counterrevolution os, now on github
23:35 TR News; How Palantir will steal the NHS https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/01/the-palantir-will-see-you-now/#public-private-partnership espionage is NOT health
23:35 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 01 Oct 2022 How Palantir will steal the NHS Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
23:35 Helenah; in that each app is contained inside its very own userland.
23:35 reptilian_thrills; i have one google device and the batterys been dead since i moved here
23:35 Helenah; So app 1 has userland 1, app 2 has userland 2 and so on and so forth.
23:35 frog; flatpak is just another minor annoyance, to stay away from most of what free software communities excrete nowadays
23:35 phanes; unless a package manager is introduced during the early stages of -building- the -os- prior to distribution then it can't meet its purpose
23:36 reptilian_thrills; i could charge it, but unless i intend to use it i dont know why i would
23:36 Helenah; And it was to take security out of the hands of users when users should be responsible for their own security.
23:36 TR News; Donald Trump, January 6th, and the Elusive Search for Accountability | The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/donald-trump-january-6th-and-the-elusive-search-for-accountability Source: New Yorker
23:36 TR Bot; Donald Trump, January 6th, and the Elusive Search for Accountability | The New Yorker
23:36 reptilian_thrills; perhaps it will refuse to charge :)
23:36 Helenah; Instead people who are security-aware are now subject to mess arounds.
23:36 frog; GNU shit with corporate branding
23:36 Helenah; because of people setting like silly passwords excusing that behaviour with the fact they've to press buttons on a touchscreen.
23:36 Helenah; Like... what I mean by mess arounds is like
23:37 TR News; Lipstick on a Pig - Pixel Envy https://pxlnv.com/blog/lipstick-on-a-pig/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//pxlnv.com/blog/lipstick-on-a-pig/
23:37 TR Bot; Lipstick on a Pig Pixel Envy
23:37 Helenah; being subject to 2 factor authentication which is what the web developers want you to use even if you have your own way of keeping yourself secure, these developers will not allow you that choice.
23:37 Helenah; I hate being forced to depend on a phone number.
23:37 reptilian_thrills; sorry we need your phone number to accept the password on your anonymous account.
23:37 phanes; yeah MFA won't be seen 10 years from now the same way its seen now
23:38 reptilian_thrills; it will absolutely link all your separate accounts together, but we assure you, that does nother bother us.
23:38 TR News; "A new tool now lets anyone see just how much money some users have lost after the troubled crypto lender filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in July." https://decrypt.co/111550/new-tool-shows-how-much-users-lost-celsius-bankruptcy
23:38 TR Bot; New Tool Shows Just How Much Users Lost in Celsius Bankruptcy - Decrypt
23:38 reptilian_thrills; if anything it makes your aggregate data much more valuable
23:38 Helenah; The moment it was being widely used I was seeing it was a huge inconvenience phanes
23:38 reptilian_thrills; when we sell it
23:38 Helenah; More of an inconvenience than randomly generating passwords with high entropy and using password managers and using RSA keys.
23:38 reptilian_thrills; people who foisted 2fa on the world should be lined up against a wall
23:39 Helenah; And it isn't security, it's obscurity
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; it's complexity
23:39 Helenah; it's just making it hard for anyone who knows your credentials to actually use them
23:39 reptilian_thrills; it isnt security, its invasion of privacy
23:39 Helenah; If they find your phone, they're in
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; and that gets worse when people steal a "phone"
23:39 phanes; there's only so far arguments that rely entirely on trying to make people who point out problems with it can go
23:39 geert; nah theres different types of 2fa applications
23:39 phanes; there's only so far arguments that rely entirely on trying to make people who point out problems with it look stupid* can go
23:39 Helenah; If you lose your phone, you could be in big shit.
23:39 geert; dont necessarily need to be obscurity i think
23:39 Helenah; with companies you owe cash to
23:39 reptilian_thrills; biometric data isnt a password its a username
23:39 Helenah; because you can't sign into your billing accounts to pay debts
23:39 reptilian_thrills; your phone number isnt a password and shouldnt be used as one
23:40 Helenah; because you know your credentials but your phone gone missing or broke.
23:40 phanes; if someone hijacks your phone number you could be in bigger trouble
23:40 reptilian_thrills; you should be able to get rid of your credentials and replace them easily
23:40 schestowitz[TR]; phanes: beat me to it
23:40 reptilian_thrills; with a phone number you cant
23:40 reptilian_thrills; and thats a problem
23:40 Helenah; Agreed
23:40 Helenah; Totally in agreement
23:40 reptilian_thrills; if anything, 2fa assists identity theft
23:41 Helenah; Yep I wouldn't be surprised
23:41 TR News; Layoffs at Sketch https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/10/11/sketch-layoffs DaemonFC
23:41 TR Bot; Daring Fireball: Layoffs at Sketch
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; "Thats about one-third of their headcount, from my understanding."
23:41 phanes; the most secure environments that actually need to be used by people, are ones that enforce strong password rotation policies with very moderate complexity requirements and optional MFA
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; i had this argument with a boss this past week
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; and we might win at the end
23:42 reptilian_thrills; lol your boss
23:42 Helenah; I know someone who works in an environment where security pull all the employees at the door as they're walking in to search them for technology and pens and paper.
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; they try to introduce staff "phones" for 2fa
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; and I object
23:42 Helenah; And is then confiscated from them before they proceed in
23:42 Helenah; Not kidding!
23:42 Helenah; He's searched daily going in
23:42 reptilian_thrills; government work?
23:42 Helenah; He has to go in empty handed, empty pocketed, no bags.
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: I speak to him at 1am, one hour from now
23:43 reptilian_thrills; i mean the security exchange commission is like that
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; won't bring up this subject though
23:43 schestowitz[TR]; it causes us to fight
23:43 Helenah; He's only allowed his clothes on him.
23:43 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: non-government
23:43 Helenah; some software design company I know nothing about other than that.
23:43 reptilian_thrills; non-government <- ridiculous!
23:43 reptilian_thrills; workers rights
23:43 reptilian_thrills; some software design company <- ooh, id love to know which one
23:43 Helenah; Apparently they're terrified of the software taking a walk.
23:44 Helenah; or even details of it being leaked
23:44 Helenah; even if that's with ink and paper
23:44 reptilian_thrills; defence contracts?
23:44 reptilian_thrills; or just apple inc like paranoia
23:44 reptilian_thrills; beacuse apple has a culture like that
23:44 Helenah; He said something about that defense.
23:44 Helenah; He was giving me vagueness...
23:44 reptilian_thrills; yeah if its defence im not surprised
23:44 Helenah; this is supposed to be a damn friend!
23:45 Helenah; and I get vagueness...
23:45 Helenah; lol
23:45 Helenah; "Oh it's classified"
23:45 reptilian_thrills; if he needs clearance and you dont have it, his hands are tied
23:45 Helenah; What's classified? :D
23:45 reptilian_thrills; right
23:45 reptilian_thrills; so he cant tell you
23:45 Helenah; Yep
23:45 reptilian_thrills; for some reason i have no trouble getting clearance
23:45 reptilian_thrills; though that was a while back
23:45 Helenah; I believe when a classified document is accidentally dropped it wasn't an accident
23:45 Helenah; but covered up as one by the person who dropped it
23:46 Helenah; Some citizen found a classified document at a bus stop recently apparently
23:46 Helenah; it was "accidentally dropped"
23:46 Helenah; Bullshit
23:46 reptilian_thrills; right?
23:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I signed us up for some insurances that came as a IRS "menu plan" Section 125 deduction.
23:46 Helenah; What's a damn lock box of classified documents doing at a bus stop and why was it opened there too?
23:46 Helenah; I don't buy this story...
23:46 reptilian_thrills; i mean human error happens
23:46 Helenah; Yes but...
23:46 DaemonFC; You get insurance and it triggers other tax deducations because they're all top-line.
23:46 reptilian_thrills; but some things you should be suspicious
23:46 DaemonFC; Pretty cool!
23:47 reptilian_thrills; like its classified but they couldnt put them in a bag even
23:47 Helenah; Nobody is going to take out a classified document from their brief case at a bus stop...
23:47 reptilian_thrills; exactly
23:47 TR News; "American Airlines CEO Robert Isom claims to know very little about JetBlue Mint, including whether it offers flat beds." https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-ceo-jetblue-mint/ Source: OMAAT | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-ceo-jetblue-mint/
23:47 TR Bot; American Airlines CEO Doesn't Know About JetBlue Mint - One Mile at a Time
23:47 Helenah; So I think they took it out and purposely dropped it thre for someone to find
23:47 Helenah; to leak it
23:47 reptilian_thrills; mmhmm
23:47 Helenah; and then cover it up as human error
23:47 reptilian_thrills; either because it was important for the public to know
23:47 reptilian_thrills; or
23:47 Helenah; Just think it through :D
23:47 DaemonFC; Okay, I can pop this virtualmachine with Windows 10 into an emulator.
23:47 Helenah; Yep
23:47 Helenah; that's what I believe
23:47 reptilian_thrills; to deliberately mislead the public
23:47 Helenah; that whatever was in that document was sinister
23:48 reptilian_thrills; those are the two reasons for leaks
23:48 Helenah; and the public needed to know
23:48 DaemonFC; And that should let me bring up Good Old Internet Exploder and use this stupid "app" on Walmart's site.
23:48 Helenah; It was about the mobilisation of british military
23:48 reptilian_thrills; wow
23:48 Helenah; and it did mobilise!
23:48 Helenah; They kept flying past me after the news...
23:48 Helenah; cause there is military near here...
23:48 TR News; "The second week of my batch at Recurse Center (RC) is a wrap, and it already feels like it's going too quickly. My batch is twelve weeks long, so I'm 17% through." https://ntietz.com/blog/rc-week-2-recap/
23:48 TR Bot; RC Week 2: Pairing is Awesome | nicholas@web
23:48 Helenah; over head, not literally past
23:49 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: munitions carriers.
23:49 reptilian_thrills; HIII HELENAH, GOTTA GOOO, HITTING MACH TWOOOOO
23:49 reptilian_thrills; whoooosh
23:49 Helenah; Funnily enough, I actually own a munitions box.
23:49 Helenah; and it's heavier than the paving flags.
23:49 reptilian_thrills; keep your usbs in it?
23:50 Helenah; like 100x heavier
23:50 TR News; "We're a tightly-knit team of full-stack developers and we need someone who can help us with client communications." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-09-29-sketchy-job-interviews.html
23:50 TR Bot; Sketchy Job Interviews
23:50 starstreak; Adam Conover - Why There's No Such Thing as a Good Billionaire - https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0Cu6EbELZ6I
23:50 TR Bot; Why There's No Such Thing as a Good Billionaire - Invidious
23:50 Helenah; I seem to own loads of things...
23:50 TR News; "One of the great advantages of using Groff is the almost instantaneous speed." https://box.matto.nl/create-presentation-slides-with-groff-and-mom.html
23:50 TR Bot; presentation slides with Groff and mom - box.matto.nl
23:50 Helenah; like a police whistle
23:50 Helenah; Sheffield Constabulary
23:51 reptilian_thrills; /me thinks constabulary is a hilarious word
23:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Well, you know it's Windows because the progress bar is moving but the remaining time is going up.
23:51 DaemonFC; All the "interesting" people....
23:51 Helenah; One of the things they're supposed to stop is "stabbing" but there the word "stab" is. :D
23:51 psydruid; MFA sounds nice
23:51 reptilian_thrills; there was a burglary at the constabulary, they took all the confectionaries
23:51 schestowitz[TR]; constabulary :-)
23:52 reptilian_thrills; constabulary btw
23:52 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: You mean the donuts? :D
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; Sheffield: we are good at KNIVES!!
23:52 starstreak; i use arch linucks btw
23:52 psydruid; just press buttons in these 100 apps to prove that you are you
23:52 Helenah; "Went in for weapons, came out with donuts" :D
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; they did a knives dance and show when we were in Sheffield in 2020
23:52 reptilian_thrills; all in a days work, ma'am
23:53 psydruid; Windows 10x edition
23:53 schestowitz[TR]; Vista Pro Ubuntu
23:53 schestowitz[TR]; Ubuntu /home/edition
23:53 psydruid; everything is 10x better, even the updates are 10x as good, because they take 10x the time to apply
23:53 reptilian_thrills; pretty soon theyll write firmware for glucose meters that use your dna to unlock your phone over bluetooth
23:54 reptilian_thrills; and people will have their genome stolen over wireless
23:54 Helenah; Like I said before...
23:54 reptilian_thrills; (i realise bandwidth issues make that implausible)
23:54 schestowitz[TR]; now with Microsoft systemd-homed
23:54 Helenah; there are too many copies of my genome to even count.
23:54 Helenah; Not joking...
23:54 reptilian_thrills; <Helenah> there are too many copies of my genome to even count. <- mick jagger too
23:54 reptilian_thrills; he has that
23:54 DaemonFC; I have to reboot to run akmod to build the VirtualBox kernel driver.
23:54 Helenah; o.o
23:54 starstreak; i hear good things about systemd-homed
23:55 DaemonFC; Thank god I turned off mjg59_ boot or else I'd have to fuck around with that too,.
23:55 schestowitz[TR]; oh, here we go again
23:55 reptilian_thrills; i hear good things about systemd-homed <- you hang out with weird people
23:55 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)
23:55 starstreak; my friend who runs arch linux on servers
23:55 *Helenah dances to her music
23:55 reptilian_thrills; probably in dodgy irc channels
23:55 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Basically it's been sequenced a load of times.
23:55 starstreak; secret irc channels O:)
23:55 schestowitz[TR]; #systemdarchdbtw
23:55 psydruid; you gave mjg the boot
23:56 reptilian_thrills; secret irc channels <- on the DARK WEB
23:56 schestowitz[TR]; denyweb
23:56 reptilian_thrills; <psydruid> you gave mjg the boot <- did he get banned again?
23:56 starstreak; i don't know if its really "the dark web"
23:56 schestowitz[TR]; it denies gchq
23:56 starstreak; but its definately not clearnet
23:56 schestowitz[TR]; they can't see what's happening ther
23:56 schestowitz[TR]; ehence, CRIME
23:56 psydruid; how to become a fedora systemd-homed ambassador
23:56 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: whole genome, I know 100% of my genetics.
23:56 starstreak; I use the cjdns software with a network called hyperboria
23:57 Helenah; I know the reasoning for my red hair and everything.
23:57 reptilian_thrills; I know 100% of my genetics. <- what will you do with all that power
23:57 reptilian_thrills; I know the reasoning for my red hair and everything. <- your parents didnt love you
23:57 Helenah; Good question
23:57 starstreak; Helenah, oh did you do 23andme?
23:57 schestowitz[TR]; your genetics will beocme generics
23:57 Helenah; starstreak: No
23:57 reptilian_thrills; sorry, red hair joke
23:57 Helenah; I never done anything like that starstreak
23:57 starstreak; I did
23:57 Helenah; Oh
23:57 Helenah; 23andMe don't sequence anywhere near your whole genome
23:58 Helenah; they do around 0.07% of it
23:58 Helenah; or so I hear
23:58 Helenah; I don't fucking know the detail exactly... lol
23:58 schestowitz[TR]; g-gnome
23:58 frog; with or without systemd, it's still GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem entangled everywhere
23:58 frog; i don't accept this any longer
23:58 reptilian_thrills; ggnome
23:58 schestowitz[TR]; g-gnome.tools
23:58 reptilian_thrills; ibm.fools
23:58 starstreak; Helenah, I'm 77% British/Irish (not sure why it groups them), 9.9% finnish and 9% greek
23:58 frog; that's my only plan currently, to remove this vendor-lock against GNU
23:59 Helenah; starstreak: Maybe same landmass?
23:59 reptilian_thrills; (not sure why it groups them) <- cause they dont want to start any troubles again
23:59 Helenah; and therefore difficult to separate them?
23:59 schestowitz[TR]; in 2100, brits find they are 90% canadian ;-)
23:59 starstreak; Helenah, thats possible, though i have enough info on my family to suggest its probably mostly irish
23:59 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> in 2100, brits find they are 90% canadian <- blame canada
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