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00:00 matey; tor because fuck dns, dns is bullshit
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00:04 matey; most people who try it will get bored and shut theirs down, just like people who start websites
00:04 matey; they make a website, get bored, abandon or delete it
00:05 matey; but everyone who tries it will know how to have an irc server, if they ever need one
00:05 matey; or maybe theyll decide they want to do some other kind. thats cool too
00:05 matey; everyone who tries it will see an alternative to dns, and thats maybe the coolest part
00:06 TR News; Were Eighteen Today Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165822
00:06 TR Bot; We're Eighteen Today | Tux Machines
00:06 matey; ;whois pong
00:07 matey; ^ good way to tell if youre still connected
00:07 matey; theres probably a better one
00:10 TR News; Links 09/06/2022: KDE Gear 22.04.2 is Out, Microsoft Abandons GitHubs Open Atom to Push Proprietary Instead | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/kde-gear-22-04-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/09/kde-gear-22-04-2/
00:10 TR Bot; Links 09/06/2022: KDE Gear 22.04.2 is Out, Microsoft Abandons GitHubs Open Atom to Push Proprietary Instead | Techrights
00:17 TR News; Video: A Word on Tux Machines at 18 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/tux-machines-at-18/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/09/tux-machines-at-18/
00:17 TR Bot; Video: A Word on Tux Machines at 18 | Techrights
00:28 TR News; But moving to Wayland introduces so many other issues for little practical gain https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rDUI39isAKg
00:28 TR Bot; How To Configure Multi Monitor In Wayland Sway - Invidious
00:28 TR News; GNU/Linux Career - Should you apply to a job if youre missing some "Requirements"? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mm6mNlbqBqE Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
00:28 TR Bot; Your Linux/DevOps Career - Should you apply to a job if you're missing some "Requirements"? - Invidious
00:30 MinceR; 10 010726 < matey> ^ good way to tell if youre still connected
00:30 MinceR; i usually use /version for that
00:30 TR News; Lots of Microsoft and now SAP, SAP, SAP, i.e. proprietary holes that have no patches for them and are actively exploited already https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/09/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
00:30 TR News; Istio Patches, 3 Versions Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165823
00:30 TR Bot; timed out after 10517 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/09/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog )
00:30 TR Bot; Istio Patches, 3 Versions Released | Tux Machines
00:31 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22053163
00:31 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/335uq1jz8q191.jpg created on 2022-05-31 22:26:45.916107
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00:33 TR News; Current Sensor (ACS712) with Arduino UNO: Using the Hall Effect https://peppe8o.com/current-sensor-acs712-with-arduino-uno-using-the-hall-effect/ Source: peppe8o
00:33 TR Bot; Current Sensor (ACS712) with Arduino UNO: Using the Hall Effect
00:34 TR News; Automated window system helps keep the greenhouse climate regulated | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/06/09/automated-window-system-helps-keep-the-greenhouse-climate-regulated/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
00:34 TR Bot; Automated window system helps keep the greenhouse climate regulated | Arduino Blog
00:35 TR News; "Staying clean is an environmentally dirty, energy-hungry business." https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/06/really-smart-dishwashers-were-are-you/
00:35 TR Bot; Really smart dishwashers, were are you? | Stop at Zona-M
00:36 TR News; It's like they're competing over whose keyboard looks most bizarre, even stupid https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/06/review-of-the-truly-ergonomic-cleave-keyboard/
00:36 TR Bot; Review of the Truly Ergonomic Cleave Keyboard | Stop at Zona-M
00:36 matey; /version
00:37 matey; oh yeah
00:37 matey; /me tries it for the very first time
00:37 TR News; Overstating the relevance of Apple-branded chips https://www.kdab.com/universal-binaries/
00:37 TR Bot; timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.kdab.com/universal-binaries/ )
00:37 MinceR; well, if /me doesn't work, i dunno if /version works :>
00:38 matey; it does
00:38 TR News; Graffiti robot paints like a human | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/06/09/graffiti-robot-paints-like-a-human/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
00:38 TR Bot; Graffiti robot paints like a human | Arduino Blog
00:38 matey; i made it through the manual
00:38 matey; somehow i made it through
00:38 MinceR; :)
00:40 TR News; Taint in Perl https://theweeklychallenge.org/blog/taint/ Source: theweeklychallenge
00:40 TR Bot; Taint in Perl
00:46 schestowitz_TR2; matey: when you use "/" it gets interpreted differently
00:46 schestowitz_TR2; I was never sure why
00:46 MinceR; i think he uses some sort of weird gateway from a non-IRC thing
00:47 TR News; Presumed spyware ttps://www.ghacks.net/2022/06/09/opera-88-launches-with-shopping-corner-feature/
00:48 TR News; "Developer Edition model that ships with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Linux instead." https://liliputing.com/2022/06/the-2022-dell-xps-13-is-a-2-6-pound-notebook-with-intel-alder-lake-u-and-windows-or-ubuntu-support.html
00:48 matey; its got nothing to do with a gateway
00:48 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://liliputing.com/2022/06/the-2022-dell-xps-13-is-a-2-6-pound-notebook-with-intel-alder-lake-u-and-windows-or-ubuntu-support.html )
00:48 matey; no matter how i connect to ANY irc network
00:48 matey; my choices are
00:48 matey; me this
00:48 matey; /me this
00:49 matey; and ACTION this
00:49 matey; ACTION does the closest thing to what /me does
00:49 TR News; Proprietary and likely spies on you https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/06/vivaldi-mail-is-stable-ready-for-use
00:49 TR Bot; Ping Vivaldi Mail is Stable, Ready for Everyday Use - OMG! Ubuntu!
00:49 matey; im literally just typing ACTION
00:49 matey; i can do the little <> things too but since those arent standard, why bother
00:50 TR News; Apple offers improved Linux support in macOS Ventura http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165736#comment-33928
00:50 TR Bot; Kernel: Graphics Work and Apple Facilitates ARM Linux Virtual Machines | Tux Machines
00:51 matey; i dont think "me" or "action" are real commands like the others
00:51 MinceR; weird client then, perhaps
00:51 matey; thats the really weird thing
00:51 MinceR; /me normally sends a /ctcp ACTION
00:51 matey; ohhh
00:51 matey; hmm
00:51 MinceR; which is an ordinary PRIVMSG except with a '\001'ACTION before the message and a '\001' after it
00:52 MinceR; or something like that
00:52 MinceR; ('\001' represents ascii code 1)
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00:52 matey; thats pretty bizarre
00:52 MinceR; i don't know who hacked it in like that
00:52 matey; it sounds too high for king lee
00:52 matey; maybe elon
00:53 matey; he was trying the effects of weed in microgravity and decided to contribute something to irc, which he loved as a kid
00:53 matey; apart from the fact that this goes back too far for that to be plausible
00:53 matey; maybe he got so high he travelled in time
00:54 TR News; PipeWire 0.3.52 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PipeWire-0.3.52-Released
00:54 TR Bot; 0.3.52 Released To Continue Enhancing Linux Audio/Video Streams - Phoronix
00:54 MinceR; could be worse
00:54 MinceR; like khaled
00:54 MinceR; but i doubt it
00:54 matey; then he went on joe rogan to look like just a casual user, not a weed research pushing the boundaries of known physical laws, man
00:54 MinceR; considering that CTCP replies use NOTICE and khaled couldn't figure out what NOTICEs are for
00:54 matey; yeah its a bit farfetched
00:55 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165824
00:55 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
00:55 matey; but how else do you explain: an ordinary PRIVMSG except with a '\001'ACTION before the message and a '\001' after it
00:55 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-to-client_protocol
00:55 TR Bot; Client-to-client protocol - Wikipedia
00:55 MinceR; this says it comes from ircII
00:55 MinceR; at least CTCP does
00:55 matey; some servers now drop ctcp but
00:55 matey; im sure they make an exception for /me
00:56 MinceR; CTCP has nothing to do with servers
00:56 MinceR; except there are channel modes that can block it
00:56 TR News; LOL. "Dev Ops". What is I am AI Sec Smart Dev DB Ops? https://bryanquigley.com/posts/dev-ops-job.html
00:56 TR Bot; Dev Ops job? | Bryan Quigley
00:56 matey; i only say servers because
00:56 MinceR; but i doubt even those block ACTION
00:56 matey; that, yes
00:56 matey; thats what i was saying
00:56 matey; "im sure they make an exception for /me"
00:57 TR News; "TODAY is a special day because tuxmachines.org was registered exactly 18 years ago. We recently renewed this domain's registration for 5 more years (i.e. until middle of 2027) as we certainly expect the site to go on and on for a long time to come." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165822
00:57 TR Bot; We're Eighteen Today | Tux Machines
00:57 TR News; Tux Machines (tuxmachines.org) has been steady and vibrant for a very long time; we plan to keep on going for a long time to come because the site is very important to a lot of people http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/tux-machines-at-18/
00:57 TR Bot; Video: A Word on Tux Machines at 18 | Techrights
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00:59 TR News; At about 150 million hits per year, in 18 years one can imagine tuxmachines served north of 2 billion files. But we don't keep count and it does not matter.
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00:59 MinceR; :)
01:00 TR News; I really like the part where ESR speaks how some people work for 1) recognition 2) more than oneself 3) a sense of helping to improve the world INSTEAD of for money. Around 40 minutes into http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/the-code/
01:00 TR Bot; The Code: Story of GNU/Linux (Documentary Now for Free as in Free Beer) | Techrights
01:03 matey; ACTION tries this
01:04 matey; hmm i got the \001 but im not sure it pasted
01:06 MinceR; doesn't look like it did
01:06 MinceR; did you put one at the beginning and also at the end?
01:06 matey; echo "\001" | editor
01:06 matey; then the <> showed up in the editor
01:06 matey; then i added ACTION tries this
01:06 matey; and another <>
01:07 matey; im saying <> because if i paste the it doesnt show
01:08 matey; of course if i just ACTION do this
01:08 matey; theres no ambiguity
01:08 matey; its only cosmetic, except perhaps on a screen reader
01:10 matey; for me this is an intellectual curiosity, but not more important than that
01:10 matey; its not like pm doesnt work
01:11 TR News; Arduino Projects: Graffit, Greenhouses, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165825
01:11 TR Bot; Arduino Projects: Graffiti, Greenhouses, and More | Tux Machines
01:11 TR News; Top 20 Best Linux Remote Desktop Clients in 2022 (Fast & Secure) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165826
01:11 TR Bot; Top 20 Best Linux Remote Desktop Clients in 2022 (Fast & Secure) | Tux Machines
01:11 matey; it would be neat if pasting in the correctly formatted text "just worked" but so far it doesnt seem to
01:12 TR News; Stefano Maffulli thanks Free software https://blog.opensource.org/the-osi-celebrates-maintainer-month/
01:12 TR Bot; The OSI celebrates maintainer month - Voices of Open Source
01:13 matey; unrelated but similar? (and likely ancient) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1760176
01:13 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1760176 )
01:14 TR News; This has back doors. And it's ALSO waaaaaayyyyyyy too expensive https://linuxgizmos.com/topaz-2-mini-pc-from-simply-nuc-comes-with-intel-12th-gen-processors-quad-displays-and-dual-ethernet-ports/ x86 = relic
01:14 matey; https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34168706/how-to-send-an-action-to-irc-with-python-sockets
01:14 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/topaz-2-mini-pc-from-simply-nuc-comes-with-intel-12th-gen-processors-quad-displays-and-dual-ethernet-ports/ )
01:14 TR Bot; How to send an ACTION to irc with python & sockets - Stack Overflow
01:15 TR News; There are very visible stock shortages and price hikes in the "Raspi" products. I've checked...
01:16 MinceR; yeah
01:16 TR News; systemd is ruining the experience of Ubuntu users (and others), unexpectedly killing their applications without even asking for consent https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2022-June/042116.html
01:16 TR Bot; systemd-oomd issues on desktop
01:16 MinceR; does your client have a /ctcp command?
01:16 matey; it does not appear to
01:16 MinceR; or perhaps /action?
01:16 matey; tried that
01:16 matey; it has version
01:17 MinceR; :)
01:17 matey; my guess is
01:17 TR News; Systemd is IBM. IBM aka ICBM. It's good at killing things.
01:17 matey; it has version because the server does
01:17 matey; and it doesnt have ctcp, at all
01:18 TR News; "MultiPath TCP (MPTCP) gives you a way to bundle multiple paths between systems to increase bandwidth and resilience from failures" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/using-multipath-tcp-better-survive-outages-and-increase-bandwidth
01:18 matey; so theres no action etc
01:18 matey; but this is just a guess
01:18 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/using-multipath-tcp-better-survive-outages-and-increase-bandwidth )
01:19 TR News; systemd "Great. I have seen the new OOM killer the whole gnome-session when things get crazy. I hope it would first kill apps before coming to killing the session itself." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1328042-ubuntu-deciding-how-to-tame-their-systemd-oomd-killing-experience
01:19 TR Bot; Deciding How To Tame Their systemd-oomd Killing Experience - Phoronix Forums
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01:21 MinceR; maybe systemd could try killing itself to free up memory
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01:22 TR News; "transformation" = more vendor lock-in, more layoffs, more graft https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/digital-transformation-3-ways-it-changes-companies
01:22 TR Bot; Digital transformation: 3 ways it changes companies | The Enterprisers Project
01:22 schestowitz; "One of many reasons I don't use systemd and use OpenRC on Gentoo instead, I don't use any of the OOM deamons crap to mitigate low memory scenarios, vanilla Linux is really bad at handling near OOM scenarios, hard to believe that throughout all these years and in 2022 upstream linux does not have a good heuristics to deal with OOM" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1328042-ubuntu-deciding-how-to-
01:22 schestowitz; tame-their-systemd-oomd-killing-experience
01:22 TR Bot; timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1328042-ubuntu-deciding-how-to- )
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01:29 psydruid; maybe GNU/Linux should drink the Kool-Aid and kill itself along with systemd
01:30 matey; it does, it just takes little sips
01:30 matey; gnu/linux IS systemd
01:30 MinceR; no, it's not
01:30 MinceR; GNU/Linux is what systemd is killing
01:31 matey; yeah, in the way that a parasite kills its host
01:31 matey; but removing the parasite also kills the host
01:31 MinceR; yeah
01:31 MinceR; no, it wouldn't kill the host
01:31 MinceR; if there's a significant part of the host remaining, anyway
01:31 matey; the thing is, gnu/linux is gradually being REPLACED with systemd
01:31 psydruid; yes
01:32 matey; if there's a significant part of the host remaining, anyway <- yes, but more of the people who were interested in that are simply giving up and moving away
01:32 matey; if they want to stay, it doesnt bother me
01:32 psydruid; fortunately for us activelow has saved the part of GNU/Linux that was worth saving and got rid of all the fat
01:32 matey; but if they stay, i know whats going to happen, because i stayed-- for half a decade
01:32 matey; and i can tell you how it went and how it will (most likely) go from here
01:32 matey; if im wrong? great
01:32 matey; then its still gnu/linux and thats another problem-- the linux kernel
01:33 matey; but those ARE still two separate issues for now
01:33 matey; theyre just in a similar category
01:34 matey; my impression of gnu/linux was always that the linux part was optional
01:34 matey; seems like one of the things systemd is supposed to fix-- make it depend on linux
01:34 matey; that way as linux gets out of hand, what are you gonna do about it?
01:34 matey; debian used to have debian/kfreebsd people
01:35 matey; debian used to have hurd (even though i dont care about hurd at all)
01:35 matey; now its tied to one kernel, one init, in one swoop
01:36 matey; of course you can dig it out-- thats the license
01:36 psydruid; Red GNU/Linux
01:36 matey; lets look at the past 7-8 years of effort to undo the corporate effort to make gnu more proprietary
01:36 psydruid; One vision for one goal
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01:36 matey; gnu/linux, gnu+linux
01:36 matey; now its gnulinux gnuinux
01:37 matey; gnunix
01:37 psydruid; sygnusd/linux
01:37 matey; systemg
01:37 TR News; "Generational stereotypes arent always insulting, but they can be harmful" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/it-hiring-3-myths-about-generational-differences ask ICBM; it's a culprit: http://techrights.org/2022/02/16/only-the-privileged/
01:37 TR Bot; 3 IT hiring myths about generational differences | The Enterprisers Project
01:37 matey; whats the g stand for? nothing anymore
01:38 TR Bot; When Only Rich and Powerful Corporations Can Use Slurs and Hurt Marginalised/Vulnerable People | Techrights
01:38 TR News; "Cockpit is the modern Linux admin interface. We release regularly." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-271.html
01:38 TR News; EBS Storage Performance Notes Instance throughput vs Volume throughput https://vivani.net/2022/06/09/ebs-storage-performance-notes-instance-throughput-vs-volume-throughput/
01:38 TR News; Fedora used to attract millions. Now it's just a few thousands. ICBM nuked it. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-may-2022/
01:38 TR Bot; timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-271.html )
01:38 psydruid; gatesware
01:38 matey; "fsf" is pronounced ""
01:38 TR News; "Disclosure: TheCUBE is a paid media partner for the KubeCon + CloudNativeCon Europe event." This is paid-for "media" "coverage" -- a growing and disturbing trend https://siliconangle.com/2022/06/05/3-insights-might-missed-kubecon-eu-kubecon/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ
01:38 TR News; KDE Goals interview: "All about the Apps" with Aleix Pol - Kockatoo Tube https://tube.kockatoo.org/w/n4sFdeJ1BrmZwuHRyAwzpo Source: KDE
01:38 matey; because "theyre all silent"
01:38 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://vivani.net/2022/06/09/ebs-storage-performance-notes-instance-throughput-vs-volume-throughput/ )
01:38 TR Bot; Community Blog monthly summary: May 2022 Fedora Community Blog
01:38 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://siliconangle.com/2022/06/05/3-insights-might-missed-kubecon-eu-kubecon/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ )
01:38 psydruid; like UnixWare and sourceware
01:38 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://tube.kockatoo.org/w/n4sFdeJ1BrmZwuHRyAwzpo )
01:39 matey; sourceware "join me and we will rule the universe together"
01:39 matey; "for freedom right?"
01:39 matey; "sure, for freedom!"
01:39 TR News; Bridging the synchronization gap on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165827
01:39 TR Bot; Bridging the synchronization gap on Linux | Tux Machines
01:41 MinceR; one vision, one purpose
01:43 TR News; Now you can boot Linux on Apple devices with A7 and A8 series chips http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165564#comment-33929
01:43 TR Bot; Have an old iPad lying around? You might be able to make it run Linux soon | Tux Machines
01:44 TR News; Videos: KDE, Careers, and Wayland Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165828
01:44 TR Bot; Videos: KDE, Careers, and Wayland | Tux Machines
01:44 TR News; Fedora Project / Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165829
01:44 TR Bot; Fedora Project / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
01:45 TR News; LF = marketing fluff instead of Linux. Self-serving sales. https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/lfx-mentorship-for-me/
01:45 TR Bot; LFX Mentorship for Me - Linux Foundation
01:49 matey; i think people banking on gnu/linux are probably fooling themselves at this point
01:49 matey; if someone can tell me how to liberate linux, or gnu
01:49 matey; i spent years on that, maybe someone has an idea we havent heard yet
01:49 matey; but basically everying is just out digging trenches for most of a decade
01:50 matey; its just a war of attrition
01:50 matey; i dont even think theres an outcome anyone wants, rather its a lower bar of entry for those who want to buy time
01:50 matey; and thats fine too
01:51 matey; pretending theres a future in linux being further taken over doesnt seem useful to me
01:51 TR News; Haiku and FreeBSD OS Development Reports Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165830
01:51 TR Bot; Haiku and FreeBSD OS Development Reports | Tux Machines
01:51 matey; but buying time while they figure out whats left, that at least makes sense
01:51 matey; thats what i was calling it a couple years ago
01:51 MinceR; for all i know, it could still be the best thing to start a new OS from
01:52 matey; it could still be the best thing to start a new OS from <- the advantage is hw support imo
01:52 matey; the rest is probably hype
01:52 matey; it supports more software, but that really just means more people compile software for it
01:53 matey; which is a circular marketshare argument-- the more popular kernel gets targeted by more authors-- just like when people cared there was more software for windows
01:53 matey; the real advantage is hw support
01:53 MinceR; i haven't tested enough BSDs yet
01:53 matey; technically neither have i
01:53 MinceR; and i don't know why OpenBSD likes to crash on my ExpertBook
01:54 matey; my criteria are pretty strict
01:54 matey; ExpertBook <- what arch?
01:54 MinceR; x84_64
01:54 MinceR; no
01:54 MinceR; x86_64
01:54 psydruid; model?
01:55 MinceR; B9450 or something like that
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02:04 psydruid; maybe things changed on newer Intel platforms
02:04 psydruid; I only have 6th and 7th gen Intel Core
02:05 MinceR; i thought "maybe for my main mobile workstation i should stick to something many businesses use for Linux-based stuff, like a ThinkPad", and then my ThinkPad would get that failure to boot with some bullshit about firmware bugs...
02:09 TR News; Microbell, spokesperson for AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Financial-Day-2022 no, nothing to do with Linux... but follow the money
02:09 TR Bot; Talks Up Zen 4 AVX-512, Genoa, Siena & More At Financial Analyst Day - Phoronix
02:11 matey; "maybe for my main mobile workstation i should stick to something many businesses use for Linux-based stuff, like a ThinkPad"
02:11 MinceR; advanced microbell devices?
02:11 matey; it used to be that hardware was designed to run software in general
02:11 matey; and then software was divided into two camps
02:11 matey; 1. software designed to enable the user
02:11 matey; 2. software designed to control the user
02:12 matey; then, the hardware started being designed to control the use
02:12 TR News; 33.3% of Phoronix articles yesterday were about AMD, a company with only 15.5k workers. Does that seem disproportionate?
02:12 matey; then software that was designed to enable the user started being converted into software designed to control the user
02:12 matey; so everything (in the x86 world) is now designed to control the user
02:12 schestowitz_TR2; ding ding ding (bell)
02:12 matey; same goes for a lot of arm stuff too
02:13 psydruid; https://wccftech.com/ampere-ampereone-cpu-arm-architecture-launch-later-2022-ddr5-pcie-5-0-support-compares-intel-amd-x86-cpus-against-altra-family/
02:13 TR Bot; Ampere's AmpereOne CPU With ARM Architecture To Launch Later This Year With DDR5 & PCIe 5.0 Support, Compares Intel & AMD x86 CPUs Against Altra Family
02:13 matey; the point certainly isnt that we will all switch to non-x86 next week. i know i wouldnt do it that soon even if i wanted it to
02:13 psydruid; you rarely hear this from MicroAMD
02:13 matey; the point is that from here, x86 only gets worse
02:14 matey; theres not a lot of happy news there
02:14 matey; just like people wont switch from gnu/linux until they hate it enough
02:14 matey; people wont switch from x86 until they hate it enough
02:14 matey; which means theyre just going to suffer (probably me along with them) until they finally say enough is enough
02:15 MinceR; i would have liked to switch, but couldn't find anything that isn't worse than x86
02:15 matey; when it comes to x86 stuff, im just like people who still use gnu/linux
02:15 psydruid; x86 is dead to me, but it is still walking round as a zombie
02:15 matey; couldn't find anything that isn't worse than x86 <- its hard to find
02:15 matey; if i didnt trust some people who swear it wont be this way, i wouldnt believe it
02:15 matey; x86 has no future but at some point we will prefer something else
02:16 TR News; Qt pitching proprietary software https://www.qt.io/blog/scalability-to-the-max
02:16 TR Bot; Scalability to the Max MCU and MPU Development with the Same License
02:16 matey; i dont think we are there yet, and it will depend on what we think is so great about x86
02:16 matey; for me-- its simply that its what people throw away
02:16 matey; thats the appeal
02:16 TR News; LibreOffice QA/Dev Report: May 2022 https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2022/06/09/qa-dev-report-may-2022/
02:16 matey; i pay them for it too
02:16 matey; but its cheaper because they dont want it
02:17 TR Bot; QA/Dev Report: May 2022 - LibreOffice QA Blog
02:17 psydruid; it may become harder to justify it even for that reason because of power consumption
02:17 matey; well, at some point ill simply be able to go pick cheaper stuff up at a store
02:17 psydruid; and they aren't going to use less, it is only becoming worse
02:17 matey; i dont order electronics in the mail
02:18 matey; they aren't going to use less, it is only becoming worse <- yes, x86 will only get worse
02:18 matey; it wont get better than this
02:18 matey; it already sucks
02:18 matey; which means anyone holding out is waiting for it to suck enough to where theyre done
02:19 MinceR; 10 031610 < matey> i dont think we are there yet, and it will depend on what we think is so great about x86
02:19 matey; when windows xp came out i was already done, but had no other options
02:19 TR News; Lack of water or access to water (humans demand a lot) https://lu.is/blog/2022/06/09/water-on-the-brain-joining-openet-board/
02:19 TR Bot; Water on the brain; joining OpenET board Luis Villa: Open Tech and Policy
02:19 MinceR; being able to easily boot a bunch of stuff from removable devices without it having to be designed for the exact board is a big one
02:19 matey; <MinceR> being able to easily boot a bunch of stuff from removable devices without it having to be designed for the exact board is a big on <- this
02:19 matey; i know
02:19 psydruid; I believe they are feeling the heat from Apple, Qualcomm and other companies and keep pushing performance regardless of power consumption and heat, because they have no other choice
02:20 TR News; Cynic: there's a lack of water. Realist: there are just too many people. And it keeps growing and growing...
02:20 TR News; Sailfish OS - Command Line Interface & Customisation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165831
02:20 TR Bot; Sailfish OS - Command Line Interface & Customisation | Tux Machines
02:21 TR News; Registration for Linux Plumbers Conference is now open https://lpc.events/blog/2022/index.php/2022/06/09/registration-for-linux-plumbers-conference-is-now-open/ Microsoft was REMOVED as a sponsor
02:21 TR Bot; Registration for Linux Plumbers Conference is now open Linux Plumbers Conference 2022
02:21 matey; in some ways the raspi was like the c64, bbc micro or the zxsinclair
02:21 matey; in that it has captured so many peoples imaginations and its a household name
02:21 matey; but none of those put a computer in every household
02:22 TR News; "Back in 2017 I did work to setup a cross-building toolchain for QT Creator, that takes advantage of Debian's packaging for all the dependency ecosystem. It ended with cbqt which is a little script that sets up a chroot to hold cross-build-dependencies, to avoid conflicting with packages in the host system, and sets up a qmake alternative to make use of them." http://www.enricozini.org/blog/2022/qt5/updating-cbqt-for-bullseye
02:22 matey; theres no "pc" of the arm soc world yet
02:22 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.enricozini.org/blog/2022/qt5/updating-cbqt-for-bullseye/ )
02:22 matey; its not compelling enough except for enthusiasts
02:22 matey; for some this is a feature
02:22 matey; i respect that
02:23 matey; but we have yet to see non-x86 "take over" the way x86 did
02:23 matey; even when we do, it will be more diverse
02:23 matey; there wont be the full compatibility we have now
02:23 schestowitz_TR2; what does pc really mean?
02:23 matey; if you want everything to work
02:23 schestowitz_TR2; historically, yes
02:23 psydruid; non-x86 has already taken over everything but the desktop and the laptop
02:23 schestowitz_TR2; personal
02:23 schestowitz_TR2; as many did not have their own
02:23 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> what does pc really mean? <- standards people can grasp
02:23 psydruid; and that will happen too
02:24 matey; <psydruid> and that will happen to <- i believe it will
02:24 schestowitz_TR2; you could say a tablet is a pc
02:24 schestowitz_TR2; it's a computer and personal
02:24 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> you could say a tablet is a pc <- id rather not
02:24 schestowitz_TR2; that's why I don't use the term pc, just "desstop/laptop"
02:24 matey; it took me at least 15 years to say a mac is a pc :)
02:24 schestowitz_TR2; laptop has a physical keybopard
02:24 schestowitz_TR2; and usually folds
02:24 psydruid; Loongson already had free firmware that could boot a kernel directly from an ext2 partition
02:24 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> that's why I don't use the term pc <- it has its uses
02:25 schestowitz_TR2; "desktop" = external screen
02:25 matey; <psydruid> Loongson already had free firmware that could boot a kernel directly from an ext2 partition <- i had one
02:25 schestowitz_TR2; many sbcs are headless
02:25 matey; i wish i could have given it to someone who could better use it
02:25 matey; i came across other netbooks and used those
02:25 matey; i still have a netbook
02:25 matey; i use it rarely
02:25 psydruid; those systems were meant for developers and enthusiasts
02:26 matey; i was less of a developer and enthusiast then
02:26 psydruid; but I ran everything on it
02:26 matey; i really just wanted a netbook
02:26 psydruid; including YouTube that worked using gnash
02:27 psydruid; the latest generation of Loongson has become pretty good
02:27 matey; its been a long time since ive seen anything like that
02:27 matey; too bad really
02:28 matey; rms got his loongson stolen and then he switched to stinkpads
02:28 matey; i dont think theres a connection, but wow, wouldnt that be sinister
02:28 psydruid; oh wow
02:28 psydruid; so that's why he stopped using it
02:28 matey; yeah it was stolen in paraguay or uraguay i think
02:28 matey; dont ask me which, theres a story about it somewhere
02:28 psydruid; he simply didn't have it anymore
02:29 matey; fsf btw, provides him with a laptop
02:29 matey; its one of the services they provide
02:29 matey; he doesnt get paid by them
02:29 matey; he does need a laptop
02:29 matey; when his laptop was stolen they gave him another
02:30 psydruid; it's the decent thing to do when you are talking about the founder
02:30 matey; argentina
02:30 psydruid; or employees in general
02:30 matey; nearly 10 years ago to the day https://www.theregister.com/2012/06/12/stallman_laptop_stolen/
02:30 TR Bot; Thief open-sources Richard Stallman's laptop, passport, visa The Register
02:30 matey; it's the decent thing to do <- it makes sense
02:31 matey; if the president doesnt have a computer theyre just going to say "well, go buy one"
02:31 matey; i mean thats a reasonable thing to put in the budget
02:31 *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving)
02:31 matey; its not a luxury
02:31 matey; theyre about SOFTWARE, it runs on comptuers
02:31 matey; still its one of those things if you didnt know you might not guess
02:32 schestowitz_TR2; you ARE MS
02:33 schestowitz_TR2; RMS
02:33 schestowitz_TR2; with his passport
02:33 matey; "Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation, was distressed to find his personal belongings had been liberally distributed sans GPL"
02:33 schestowitz_TR2; his laptop...
02:33 matey; what a cunty author
02:33 matey; oh its a woman!
02:33 schestowitz_TR2; yeah, microsoft register
02:33 matey; she writes like a nasty man
02:33 matey; but okay
02:33 schestowitz_TR2; Anna leech
02:33 matey; nice name
02:33 schestowitz_TR2; like the thief
02:34 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.theregister.com/Author/Anna-Leach
02:34 schestowitz_TR2; became inactive less than a year l;ater
02:34 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.theregister.com/Author/Anna-Leach )
02:34 schestowitz_TR2; sacked maybe
02:34 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.theregister.com/Author/Kieren-McCarthy/
02:34 schestowitz_TR2; he used to cover EPO issues
02:34 TR Bot; Kieren McCarthy The Register
02:34 schestowitz_TR2; nothing in more than 6 months :/
02:35 schestowitz_TR2; Microsoft Tim https://www.theregister.com/Author/Tim-Anderson
02:35 TR Bot; Tim Anderson The Register
02:35 schestowitz_TR2; nothing in more than 4 months
02:35 schestowitz_TR2; he moved to some rather obscure and dodgy site
02:35 matey; softly nibbling the hand that feeds it
02:35 schestowitz_TR2; whioch we caught them doing plagiarism
02:35 schestowitz_TR2; RMS bewing robbed is a joke to them
02:36 schestowitz_TR2; I hope someone does this to the author a
02:36 matey; well yeah
02:36 schestowitz_TR2; and then we can make jokes
02:36 schestowitz_TR2; see how she feels
02:36 schestowitz_TR2; it's his passport too
02:36 schestowitz_TR2; and all his data
02:36 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-090622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-090622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-090622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-090622.txt
02:36 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 09, 2022
02:36 schestowitz_TR2; iirc, when I met him in person he told me he had lost lots of stuff there
02:36 schestowitz_TR2; my cousin had a home breakin
02:36 schestowitz_TR2; and all the digital devices got stolent
02:37 schestowitz_TR2; the backups too
02:37 schestowitz_TR2; no house fire, but it is important to isolate devices
02:37 matey; offsite backups are good
02:37 matey; along with onsite backups
02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-090622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-090622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-090622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-090622.txt
02:37 schestowitz_TR2; the backups too can get stolen, at least hide one drive somewhwere
02:37 TR Bot; timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-090622.html )
02:37 matey; indeed
02:37 schestowitz_TR2; they lost tons of personal things
02:37 schestowitz_TR2; like photos
02:38 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-090622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-090622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-090622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-090622.txt
02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 09, 2022
02:38 TR News; Links 10/06/2022: Cockpit 271 and More | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/cockpit-271/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/09/cockpit-271/
02:38 TR Bot; Links 10/06/2022: Cockpit 271 and More | Techrights
02:39 TR News; Proprietary Software and Holes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165832
02:39 TR Bot; Proprietary Software and Holes | Tux Machines
02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-090622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-090622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-090622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-090622.txt
02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 09, 2022
02:39 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165833
02:39 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
02:39 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165834
02:39 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
02:42 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/geico-ordered-to-pay-5-2m-to-woman-who-got-hpv-during-sex-in-car/
02:42 TR Bot; Geico may have to pay $5.2M to woman who got HPV during sex in car | WGN-TV
02:46 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-06-09.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-06-09.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:51 TR News; Brittany Day at linuxsecurity.com about 70% anti-Linux, or Linux FUD most of the time. Some people register domains with the names of things they fight against.
02:53 TR News; Misses the point the malware gets there not because of Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165810#comment-33930
02:53 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
02:56 TR News; systemd Kills Apps Too Frequently Users Aren't Impressed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165829#comment-33932
02:56 TR Bot; Fedora Project / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
02:57 TR News; GNU Hackers Meeting 2022 proposal: zmir, Turkey https://ageinghacker.net/blog/posts/28/ see http://techrights.org/2022/06/02/turkey-in-pictures/
02:57 TR Bot; GNU Hackers Meeting 2022 proposal: zmir, Turkey 2022-06-10 01:55
02:57 TR Bot; In Picture: Updated and Finally Presented About 10 Minutes Ago, Windows Market Share in Turkey Down to 10% | Techrights
02:57 DaemonFC; https://metamucilapp.com/products.php?product=Metamucil-Premium-Blend-Sugar%252dFree-Orange-Powder-%252d-30-teaspoon
02:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Metamucil has an app now.
02:58 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://metamucilapp.com/products.php?product=Metamucil-Premium-Blend-Sugar%252dFree-Orange-Powder-%252d-30-teaspoon )
02:58 DaemonFC; "What is this shit?"
02:58 DaemonFC; :)
02:58 schestowitz_TR2; Metamucil?
02:58 psydruid; Rule Brittany for a Day, Lose the Region Forever
02:58 schestowitz_TR2; sounds like a name of a programmer's package
02:58 schestowitz_TR2; musil
02:58 schestowitz_TR2; meta package
02:58 schestowitz_TR2; does it have good apis?
02:58 schestowitz_TR2; for the "smarT"?
02:59 schestowitz_TR2; and for the "hey hi"?
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 99.80
02:59 schestowitz_TR2; (musl
02:59 DaemonFC; You can tell a company how well you're shitting while using their product.
02:59 matey; Rule Brittany for a Day <- oops, one did it again?
02:59 schestowitz_TR2; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musl
02:59 TR Bot; musl - Wikipedia
02:59 DaemonFC; "Excuse me while I go shit my guts out!"
02:59 DaemonFC; Oh, happy shitting!
03:00 schestowitz_TR2; many people are dumb enough to participate
03:00 schestowitz_TR2; it'll hurt them
03:01 schestowitz_TR2; technoology is used a lot to harm people
03:01 schestowitz_TR2; and to exploit a presumption of innocence
03:01 schestowitz_TR2; today I gave Gulag 2 hours of videos of me
03:01 schestowitz_TR2; because of some meeting
03:02 schestowitz_TR2; they record everything
03:02 schestowitz_TR2; of all particpants
03:02 schestowitz_TR2; it's 'free'
03:02 schestowitz_TR2; (not my choice)
03:02 matey; serious open ports
03:02 psydruid; you're going to be famous on GulagTube
03:03 schestowitz_TR2; I think all major athletes need to give stool samples
03:03 schestowitz_TR2; also in brach of privacy and dignity
03:03 schestowitz_TR2; because of sopers
03:03 schestowitz_TR2; *dopers
03:04 schestowitz_TR2; I did not give real name
03:04 schestowitz_TR2; but they see email addresses
03:04 psydruid; silvio.berlusconi@bunga.com
03:05 TR News; Mozilla: we don't use Free software https://www.otsukare.info/2022/06/10/get-browsers-version-macos-zsh
03:05 TR Bot; Get browsers version number on macOS (zsh) - otsukare
03:05 matey; just put alan turing as the name
03:05 matey; theres a guy who broke privacy for the best reasons
03:05 matey; and also needed privacy for the best reasons
03:06 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 67833 total Total number of pages in capsule: 41032 Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 1 weeks 6 days ago
03:06 TR News; Ericsson supports TERRORISM. It also bought two seats in the 'Linux' Foundation. Ouch! https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/us-sec-opens-probe-into-ericsson-s-alleged-bribery-in-iraq.html
03:06 TR Bot; - US SEC opens probe into Ericsson's alleged bribery in Iraq
03:07 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 44 MB TotalOut: 8.4 MB
03:07 TR News; What do the 'Linux' Foundation and ISIS have in common? Both receive bribes from Ericsson.
03:07 darwin; 'source' doesn't mean 'source code' but the project/people or site you get that code from
03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:10 TR News; What is the programming language most commonly used to write malware? JavaScript. But it's typically "legit" and "reputable" malware...
03:10 IPFS; QmYWDELshz6Di3MpKWjLgsiPciyEWkTZcSmWYTfxmQ51wK
03:11 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:11 TR News; DPKG Architecture List https://linuxhint.com/dpkg-architecture-list/ Source: LinuxHint | GNU | Linux | FreeSW
03:11 TR Bot; DPKG Architecture List
03:13 psydruid; Github is a primary source of malware as is its parent company
03:14 TR News; Sam Hartman: Flailing to Replace Jack with Pipewire for DJ Audio https://hartmans.dreamwidth.org/99762.html
03:14 TR Bot; hartmans | Flailing to Replace Jack with Pipewire for DJ Audio
03:15 schestowitz_TR2; psydruid: and npm
03:15 schestowitz_TR2; but the media blames
03:15 schestowitz_TR2; the recipients
03:15 schestowitz_TR2; who get the malware
03:15 schestowitz_TR2; "Linux"
03:15 schestowitz_TR2; Microsoft is the drug lord
03:16 schestowitz_TR2; the drug manufacturer sometimes
03:16 schestowitz_TR2; but you shoot the users
03:16 schestowitz_TR2; like Duterte does
03:16 psydruid; that's why a total breakdown of all information systems is needed
03:17 psydruid; if everything is dead, Microsoft will also die
03:17 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2022/01/21/peak-code-before-the-wars/
03:17 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2022/01/22/lost-source/
03:17 psydruid; as people may finally see the light
03:17 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/2022/01/21/peak-code-before-the-wars/ )
03:17 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2022/01/23/after-code/
03:17 TR Bot; Peak Code Part II: Lost Source | Techrights
03:18 TR Bot; Peak Code Part III: After Code | Techrights
03:19 matey; <psydruid> that's why a total breakdown of all information systems is needed <- is it?
03:20 matey; i mean a heavy breakdown is needed
03:20 matey; in society, information tech or both
03:20 matey; but imo we have that happening now
03:20 matey; it will happen
03:20 matey; i dont know if it actually needs to be " a total breakdown of all information systems" and im not just being nice
03:21 matey; imo the spectre of "back to the stone age" is a threat from civilisation itself
03:21 matey; "LOVE ME OR ILL KILL YOU ALL" it says
03:21 matey; "LOVE ME OR YOULL HAVE TO GO BACK TO BANGING ROCKS TOGETHER TO COOK FOOD!"
03:21 matey; no, there are other options
03:22 matey; anytime you walk away from advanced bullshit it threatens you with historical technology
03:22 matey; if you leave microsoft youll have to go back to punch cards
03:23 matey; this is just a conceit of society itself
03:23 matey; obey or there will be nothing left to do but dig ditches
03:23 matey; wouldnt you rather put on something ugly and polyestor and take peoples money, with us?
03:24 matey; thats got to be better than standing out there in the mud
03:24 matey; it was actually daniel quinn that taught me to fight that myth
03:24 psydruid; I am not sure building castles on a foundation of quicksand is what we should be doing
03:24 matey; the myth that its either THIS or back to the caves
03:24 matey; i mean you can throw a spear, right?
03:24 psydruid; but things are already happening, as you say
03:24 matey; I am not sure building castles on a foundation of quicksand is what we should be doing <- agreed
03:24 matey; we need better foundations
03:25 matey; and better castles
03:25 psydruid; the hardware is being redeveloped from scratch
03:25 matey; what we dont need is 20th century corporate mythology to be our guide
03:25 psydruid; and new software is being written
03:25 matey; yes
03:26 matey; i guess i dont think of that as collapse
03:26 matey; i think of it as rebuilding
03:26 matey; the two do largely go hand in hand of course
03:26 matey; i mean if things werent collapsing, there would be less motivation for the positive side of it
03:27 psydruid; I think of it as the former world collapsing and a new one being built
03:27 matey; its not starting over if learn from previous lessons
03:27 psydruid; that doesn't mean we have to go back all the way to the stone age
03:27 matey; rebirth
03:28 psydruid; going back to renaissance times is fine
03:28 matey; no, i guess the reason i was surprised i thought you were saying that (i definitely misread)
03:28 matey; is thats a myth that goes beyond
03:28 matey; going back to renaissance times is fine <- well, they use the command line as a spectre
03:28 matey; then they tell people to learn stuff thats 10x more complicated
03:28 matey; its very silly
03:28 matey; but the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing anyway
03:29 matey; tonight ive been really toying with putting another distro together
03:29 matey; a gnu/linux one
03:29 matey; i wouldnt use it on more than one machine
03:29 matey; and i would only use it on a machine that could run openbsd
03:29 psydruid; I think all modern guis are broken, but some are more broken than others
03:29 matey; x11 has always been broken
03:30 matey; its like an old soviet mosaic with bits falling off
03:30 psydruid; KDE was just becoming ridiculous with its login times
03:30 psydruid; I don't want to wait for 2 minutes for all my gui applications to autostart
03:30 matey; you inspired me to abandon kde completely
03:30 matey; i mean i havent used it in years
03:30 matey; i removed it from the software directory
03:31 psydruid; when it happens within seconds on mate
03:31 matey; I don't want to wait for 2 minutes for all my gui applications to autostart <- fuck i rememeber when microsoft office used to
03:31 matey; yeah a fork of mate would be better than modern kde
03:31 matey; and if trinity moves of github, that option exists
03:31 psydruid; I'm not saying mate is perfect or even great
03:31 matey; 3.5 was pretty fucking fast even on OLD shit
03:31 matey; its like xp now
03:32 matey; no mate is bloated as fuck
03:32 psydruid; it's just that almost everything else is falling apart
03:32 matey; but not like what they have now
03:32 matey; imo desktop environments are a failure
03:32 matey; find a window manager you like
03:32 matey; install some other applications
03:32 matey; voila
03:33 matey; i dont care about suites that dont care about users
03:33 psydruid; I have done that at times with icewm, fluxbox or gnustep
03:34 matey; or whi sell out to microsoft
03:34 matey; id love a fork of icewm
03:34 matey; its a lot friendlier than dwm (which i like more)
03:34 matey; as a beginner id MUCH rather use icewm
03:34 MinceR; why not just use icewm
03:34 psydruid; I am afraid all of them are lost causes in the end
03:34 psydruid; because they are built on x11
03:34 matey; icewm is github based and has more github deps too
03:35 matey; they are built on x11 <- when theres an alternative built on sanity not hubris and arrogance, ill be happy to try it
03:35 matey; wayland is built on arrogance and hubris
03:35 matey; im not really in love with x11, its what runs my gui stuff
03:36 matey; wayland doesnt even do that
03:36 matey; it just fucks with things
03:36 psydruid; I trued Wayland a few times but some applications wouldn't run
03:36 psydruid; and it felt slow
03:36 matey; yeah theyre doing what gnome did
03:37 matey; they say theyre simplifying, but it still seems more bloated
03:37 matey; i dont trust that, though maybe someone can explain it without shilling.
03:37 psydruid; that's why I stick to what still works
03:37 matey; facts are ok. its just a lot of them seem to leave the part out that shows what a farce the whole thing is
03:38 matey; particularly when they come from corporate fanboys
03:38 matey; like the stuff about uefi
03:38 MinceR; that sounds fixable by mirroring
03:38 matey; you can make a very long "factual" case for uefi
03:38 matey; even secure boot
03:38 matey; but ultimately it leaves out the reasons id never want it
03:38 matey; you can do the same for rust
03:38 matey; and mincer can blow that away in 30 seconds
03:39 MinceR; rust has so many problems beyond being hosted by MICROS~1
03:39 matey; yeah its not like github is the only problem in town
03:39 matey; (theres systemd for example)
03:39 matey; no but really, the problems have been increasing in number for years
03:39 psydruid; a secure boot facility that is completely under the user's control might be useful
03:39 matey; yeah
03:40 matey; and would never happen
03:40 matey; fsvo never
03:40 psydruid; but secure boot on x86 closed source UEFI systems is useless
03:40 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oBIxScJ5rlY
03:40 TR Bot; John Mayer - Waiting On the World to Change (Official Video) - Invidious
03:40 MinceR; one that's built on a write protect switch instead of (or in addition to) cryptography would likely be even more useful
03:41 matey; one that's built on a write protect switch <- yeah i love those
03:41 MinceR; or a readonly card slot
03:41 matey; but i got pretty disillusioned with them since most from the past 2 decades are just suggestions
03:42 matey; what would be better than a switch is a pinout with a separate write pin in the spec
03:42 matey; then you dont have to trust the switch
03:42 matey; if you put an adapter on that doesnt connect the write pin, its read-only
03:42 matey; you still have to trust the design obviously
03:43 psydruid; the local secure boot UEFI fanboy has been conspicuously silent for quite some time
03:43 matey; but the design and the oem are two different things (somewhat)
03:43 matey; for example, open a mac
03:43 matey; youll find lots of familiar parts they didnt make
03:43 matey; conspicuously silent <- all roys opponents give up eventually
03:43 matey; he knows that, and its ultimately true
03:43 matey; even if its not for the reasons he thinks it is
03:44 matey; anyone who thinks they have nothing better to do than fight roy all the time will find out in a couple of years they have other stuff to do
03:44 matey; imo he was never a full-timer in the first place
03:45 matey; i think roy even exaggerates how much theyre at odds (though id never accuse them of agreeing on much)
03:45 matey; if it sounds like im implying something there, im really not
03:45 matey; an exaggeration doesnt always have intrigue behind it-- if anything, i think there is less intrigue than sometimes implied
03:46 matey; every hero needs villians though
03:47 matey; rather than let anyone off the hook i wish he would look at the source, and put 2+2 together
03:47 matey; red hat is red hat, with very few exceptions, if any
03:47 matey; gives with one hand and takes with the other
03:48 matey; helped build the fsf into what it is today-- that alone is bad enough
03:48 matey; if only thats all we could complain about
03:48 psydruid; at least Sun fought Microsoft until the very end
03:48 matey; in terms of what theyve done to free software, al capone looks pretty small-time
03:48 psydruid; Red Hat collaborates with Microsoft
03:48 matey; at least Sun fought Microsof <- right
03:49 matey; Red Hat collaborates with Microsoft <- over and over and over again
03:49 matey; too bad bruce perens suggested a novell boycott
03:49 matey; it could have been boycotredhat
03:49 matey; or even boycott
03:49 matey; that would have been sweet
03:49 matey; then it wouldnt need to be techrights
03:49 matey; if youre boycotting red hat youve already figured out the rest :)
03:51 psydruid; tux rights for cuddly penguins operating tux machines :)
03:51 matey; >( )<8
03:52 matey; that looks like a cross between a penguin and an ostrich, to be nice
03:52 matey; or maybe a prematurely-born version of big bird
03:54 matey; if i make a gnu/linux distro again its only going to be to promote things gnu/linux doesnt give a shit about
03:54 psydruid; an aborted tux
03:54 matey; like openbsd
03:54 matey; an aborted tux <- something like that
03:54 matey; i mean was trying to make a penguin
03:54 psydruid; tuxosaurus rex
03:54 matey; the tux saw us
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03:55 psydruid; that's what we have now
03:55 matey; "the cranberries" used to have a longer name
03:55 psydruid; cute tux became a tuxosaurus
03:57 psydruid; and tuxosaurus keeps getting bigger and bigger
03:57 psydruid; I bet it doesn't like cranberries
03:57 matey; it has those stupid little arms
03:58 matey; i love the shirt someone had
03:58 matey; it had a rex with one of those grabber arms
03:58 matey; and said "NOW IM UNSTOPPABLE!"
03:58 matey; very silly
03:58 matey; also untrue
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03:59 matey; i dont think it would have saved the rex
04:00 matey; so it wouldnt stop there of course
04:00 matey; but an opengsd (gnu system distribution) distro
04:01 matey; would have, of course, propaganda about openbsd
04:01 matey; "why dont you just give people openbsd"
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04:01 matey; "because some people dont think theyre ready"
04:01 matey; "i used to be one of them"
04:01 matey; "also mincer can use it on his expertbook (though i doubt he would)"
04:02 matey; i mean he can use anything on there
04:02 psydruid; I first installed Solaris in 2002, FreeBSD in 2004, OpenBSD in 2007 and NetBSD in 2008
04:02 matey; if it was just gnu/linux + WORDS that would be next to pointless
04:02 matey; OpenBSD in 2007 <- fuck
04:02 matey; same year i switched fully to gnu/linux
04:03 matey; if it was just gnu/linux + WORDS that would be next to pointless <- it would have to make some other efforts too
04:03 psydruid; the BSDs became better and GNU/Linux has become what we have now
04:03 matey; indeed
04:03 psydruid; I am not even willing to have another look at Slackware
04:03 matey; i asked about your beef with them
04:04 psydruid; I think it has gone down the drain with the rest of GNU/Linux
04:04 matey; i was left with the impression that theyre not what they used to be, but ive heard that before
04:04 psydruid; It's not just that, it's not a real community project
04:04 matey; an openbsd installer is LIGHT
04:05 psydruid; I prefer real community projects
04:05 matey; opengsd would have to be light too
04:05 matey; it's not a real community project <- is it corporate though?
04:05 psydruid; In a way it is
04:05 matey; and not only light, but sans a bunch of fancy shit
04:06 psydruid; It's Pat's main source of income
04:06 matey; oof
04:06 matey; if its from merch, okay
04:06 psydruid; I don't mind people earning money doing what they like
04:06 matey; but i think that only works for webcomic artists
04:06 matey; me neither
04:06 matey; loads of pitfalls of course
04:06 psydruid; But that means his priorities will always come first
04:07 matey; dyne has fallen apart imo
04:07 matey; which is funny, id consider using refracta as the base
04:07 psydruid; So I would rather contribute to OpenBSD, an actual multi-architecture community project
04:07 matey; id rather use debian (haha, shit you not) but sysv is GONE man
04:08 matey; an actual multi-architecture community project <- that would be kickass
04:10 matey; whats THIS https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/finit-sysv
04:10 TR Bot; Debian -- Details of package finit-sysv in bookworm
04:11 matey; https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/orphan-sysvinit-scripts Orphaned System-V-like init scripts
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04:11 matey; im about as disappointed in devuan as i am in pale moon
04:12 matey; so if i were going to remix a gnu/linux distro, i would consider debian over devuan PROVIDED I CAN MAKE SYSTEMD NOT PID 1
04:13 matey; devuan is never going to be independent of debian
04:13 matey; its not going to be more than a respin
04:13 matey; there are better ways even to be systemd-free than either debian or devuan
04:14 matey; but i dont bother because they do their distro on github
04:14 matey; which i bet is where devuan will go
04:14 matey; as dyne is-- ridiculous
04:14 matey; dyne is falling apart faster than the fsf
04:14 matey; it came second, not first-- only faster
04:15 matey; only org that formally defended rms, so lots of hope for it there
04:15 matey; only one
04:16 matey; refracta would be less trouble to remix though
04:16 psydruid; I have only a few reasons for using debian
04:16 matey; and i would fork the installer to remove-- theres too many questions now
04:16 matey; make a simpler installer and keep refracta-installer
04:16 psydruid; I don't want to use any other gnu/linux
04:17 matey; <psydruid> I don't want to use any other gnu/linux <- this is a distro that would recommend you stop using it and use bsd :)
04:17 matey; youd just be a step ahead of that
04:18 psydruid; because gnu/linux is the past and I don't want to waste my energy on finding alternatives in the gnu/linux space
04:18 matey; indeed
04:18 matey; i mean this would have to be for fun
04:18 matey; and it would have to be easy
04:18 matey; and i did a lot of work to make this easy enough for myself :)
04:18 matey; (and anyone else who wanted to do similar)
04:18 psydruid; I could and do run BSD on almost all of my older hardware, either OpenBSD or FreeBSD
04:19 matey; I could and do run BSD on almost all of my older hardware, either OpenBSD or FreeBSD <- well, it could quote you :)
04:19 psydruid; I'll keep just a few (nonexclusive) Debian laptops around
04:20 matey; who knows, maybe youll like opengsd better
04:20 matey; maybe not, but youre not the target audience so
04:20 matey; no worries at all
04:20 psydruid; probably also dualbooting with BSD
04:20 matey; let me know how that goes
04:20 matey; ive watched some videos on that
04:20 psydruid; I already did
04:20 matey; cool
04:20 psydruid; But had to reclaim disk space
04:21 matey; mmhmm
04:21 psydruid; So after a storage upgrade I will do it again
04:22 psydruid; I need to keep Vista 10 and 11 VMs around for some purposes
04:22 psydruid; That was the main issue
04:22 matey; yuck
04:22 psydruid; And they tend to be huge
04:22 matey; yeah
04:23 psydruid; if my code doesn't compile and run on Vista for some class(es) I am SOL
04:23 matey; students have it rough, i could tell you more stories
04:23 matey; but it would hardly be needed to make the obvious clear
04:23 psydruid; even if I do all the coding on another operating system
04:24 matey; you have to test it on something
04:24 psydruid; Exactly
04:24 matey; the last time i did that, i tried fig out on windows 10
04:25 matey; in a store even
04:25 matey; heh
04:25 matey; i mean they knew
04:25 matey; otherwise i dont know what they could do at that point
04:25 matey; when youre a kid you dont care
04:26 matey; after that you have to think these things through
04:26 psydruid; I rarely go to electronic stores anymore
04:27 matey; i gotta buy stuff somewhere
04:27 matey; stores are annoying, to put it mildly
04:27 matey; id go to newegg, if i could walk into the warehouse and pick it up before the purchase
04:27 psydruid; but sometimes I go if I really need something
04:28 psydruid; I don't order much online either but sometimes that's the only way
04:28 matey; indeed
04:29 matey; and a lot of times the store orders it online
04:29 matey; but if they already have it in stock, thats good enough for me
04:29 psydruid; I wouldn't be able to buy my ARM SBCs in a local store
04:29 matey; thats one of the biggest problems
04:29 psydruid; as I don't want a Raspberry Spy
04:29 matey; indeed
04:30 psydruid; Even now there are still some problems with drivers, whereas my Orange Pi has pretty much full support even for playing games
04:31 matey; right?
04:31 psydruid; yes
04:31 matey; so lets say, this would be fucking weird
04:31 psydruid; it came from further behind but now it's better
04:31 matey; but lets say you had to remaster either debian, or devuan, to make a gnu/linux distro for your class
04:31 matey; devuan would be less hassle to do this with
04:32 matey; but theyre not VERY different
04:32 matey; which one do you find the prospect of LESS offensive for?
04:33 psydruid; what I did was to install debian in QEMU, take out the root filesystem and put it on real hardware
04:33 matey; (ive done both)
04:33 matey; mmhmm
04:33 psydruid; I don't know if everything works on Devuan
04:33 psydruid; And I've never tried it
04:34 matey; and i dont care if it does
04:34 psydruid; But it still feels like a duct tape solution
04:34 matey; yeah
04:34 matey; they got some really fancy tape
04:34 psydruid; I'd rather use BSD instead of Debian
04:34 matey; but its an odd job
04:34 matey; of course
04:35 psydruid; Which I tried too, but none of them would work
04:35 matey; id rather use a gun to my head than debian
04:35 matey; but for this its not very important, the only purpose is to demonstrate some things about bsd via gnu/linux
04:36 psydruid; My main issue with NetBSD is that it doesn't work on any of my x86 hardware
04:36 matey; for debian id have to fix pid1 in a chroot
04:36 matey; for devuan i dont
04:36 matey; My main issue with NetBSD is that it doesn't work on any of my x86 hardware <- weird isnt it?
04:37 psydruid; so I can't even use an x86 install to investigate getting the ARM version working on my SBC
04:37 psydruid; yes
04:37 matey; ive installed it on x86 but i had more luck using openbsd for that
04:37 psydruid; it's very picky
04:37 matey; the netbsd installer is a nightmare
04:38 matey; the openbsd one is nicest
04:38 matey; originally, worse than everything is the startup of fuguita
04:38 psydruid; OpenBSD also works on everything
04:38 matey; which is a live openbsd!
04:39 matey; OpenBSD also works on everything <- but not so much arm and other socs
04:39 psydruid; Except for MinceR's laptop
04:39 psydruid; yes
04:39 psydruid; that's the one exception for now
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04:44 matey; /version is great
04:45 matey; i thought the muscle memory of whois pong would be easier
04:45 matey; but 7 letters is pretty fucking easy wherever you put them
04:45 matey; as long as theyre on the keyboard
04:45 psydruid; /version
04:45 psydruid; lol
04:45 matey; i suppose its 8 with the /
04:46 *psydruid version
04:48 matey; /me considers making more tea
04:48 psydruid; irc.techrights.org: ergo-2.7.0-unreleased-202d9828668b1c76 irc.techrights.org
04:48 *psydruid should finally go to sleep
04:49 matey; do people still do that?
04:49 matey; /me wonders if theyll ever find a cure
04:49 matey; im sure it wouldnt be pretty
04:50 matey; a cure for sleep
04:50 matey; or rather for needing sleep
04:50 psydruid; not if they are employees 100% of the time
04:50 matey; that would not be better
04:50 psydruid; because work must go on
04:50 matey; employees need time off whether theyre awake or not
04:51 matey; one of the best benefits of socialism (but only when it keeps its promises) is a shorter work week
04:51 psydruid; they must work in their sleep too
04:51 matey; they must work in their sleep too <- yes! this is why the bed wheel was invented
04:51 psydruid; dream of ways to suck up to their employers
04:51 matey; you roll around on it in your sleep and it drives the machines of industry
04:52 matey; anyway have a good night
04:52 matey; (dont work too hard)
04:52 psydruid; good night
04:52 psydruid; definitely not
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05:19 matey; so devuan has moved from gitlab to gitea
05:19 matey; while dyne has moved to github
05:19 matey; try waiting for any of it to make sense
05:20 matey; gitea is way better than gitlab of course
05:20 matey; and github is not at all
05:23 matey; refracta tools are still based on sourceforge
05:23 matey; thats better than github at least (not much, a little)
05:23 matey; they havent moved
05:29 matey; /me used to remater refracta from 700, 800 down to cd-size
05:29 matey; even without x11 its 0.5 gb
05:29 matey; with xfce its 1.2 gb
05:39 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-investigates/closing-of-waukegan-coal-plant-causes-controversy-among-residents/
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05:40 DaemonFC; The coal plant finally quit spewing pollution all over us the other day.
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07:56 TR News; "Today, Bourne-style (sh) syntax has come to the fore. It is the one syntax covered by the POSIX standard." https://klarasystems.com/articles/interacting-with-freebsd-learning-the-fundamentals-of-the-freebsd-shell-2/ | Source: Klara
07:56 TR Bot; Interacting with FreeBSD Learning the Fundamentals of the FreeBSD Shell | Klara Inc.
07:57 TR News; [Old] "I love the GPL and see it as a defining factor in the success of Linux" https://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/linus-torvalds-gives-gpl-credit-for-linux-s-success/ |
07:57 TR Bot; LinuxCon: Linus Torvalds Says GPL Key to Linux Success
07:57 TR News; [Old] "The GNU General Public License was born of the simple idea that freedom matters." https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2017/200/The-GPL-and-the-birth-of-a-revolution | Source: Linux Magazine
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07:59 TR News; "Which would be great except that the forecasts have less data to work with now than theyve had in years" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partly-cloudy-with-a-75-percent-chance-of-covid-exposure/ | Source: ABC
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08:00 TR News; "According to geekwire.com, the tech giant is splitting its HoloLens mixed reality group and parting ways with Kipman." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/microsoft-hololens-chief-to-resign-after-misconduct-allegations/92100928 | Source: India Times
08:00 TR Bot; Microsoft HoloLens chief to resign after misconduct allegations, CIO News, ET CIO
08:01 TR News; They probably belittle what he ACTUALLY did. Probably some serious crime. https://nypost.com/2022/06/08/microsofts-alex-kipman-resigns-after-being-accused-of-watching-vr-porn-in-office-report/
08:01 TR Bot; Microsoft's Alex Kipman resigns after being accused of watching 'VR porn' in office: report
08:01 TR News; "The hateful messages focused on Ethiopia, where internal documents obtained by whistleblower Frances Haugen showed that Facebook's ineffective moderation is literally fanning ethnic violence, as she said in her 2021 congressional testimony." https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/facebook-fails-detect-hate-speech-ads-85282119 | Source: ABC
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08:02 TR News; "If a cryptosystem's algorithm is part of its 'secret key', all three of these things are violated." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/PublicCryptoAlgorithmsMathWhy | Source: uni Toronto
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08:03 TR News; "More than 80 people are feared to have died in Sunday's attack on a church in southwestern Nigeria" https://abcnews.go.com/International/80-feared-dead-attack-catholic-church-nigeria-sources/story?id=85262564 | Source: ABC
08:03 TR Bot; Over 80 feared dead in attack on Catholic church in Nigeria, sources say - ABC News
08:05 TR News; So China does what the NSA too has been doing. "Peoples Republic of China State-Sponsored Cyber Actors Exploit Network Providers and Devices." https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/News-Highlights/Article/Article/3055748/nsa-cisa-and-fbi-expose-prc-state-sponsored-exploitation-of-network-providers-d/ | Source: NSA
08:05 TR Bot; NSA, CISA, and FBI Expose PRC State-Sponsored Exploitation of Network Providers, Devices > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Article
08:05 TR News; "This joint Cybersecurity Advisory describes the ways in which Peoples Republic of China (PRC) state-sponsored cyber actors continue to exploit publicly known vulnerabilities in order to establish a broad network of compromised infrastructure" https://media.defense.gov/2022/Jun/07/2003013376/-1/-1/0/CSA_PRC_SPONSORED_CYBER_ACTORS_EXPLOIT_NETWORK_PROVIDERS_DEVICES_TLPWHITE.PDF | Source: USDOD
08:07 TR News; Twitter Germany https://medforth.biz/twitter-germany-blocks-tweet-of-austrian-government-politician-regarding-asylum-seekers/ | Source: Medforth
08:07 TR Bot; Twitter Germany blocks tweet of Austrian government politician regarding asylum seekers Allah's Willing Executioners
08:07 TR News; "What this almost certainly is: another shakedown attempt. McDonalds is a big corporation with lots of money." https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/06/hate-crime-or-shakedown-money-robert-spencer/ | Source: Frontpage Magazine
08:07 TR Bot; Crime or Shakedown for Money? | FrontpageMag
08:08 TR News; "The general public doesnt seem particularly pleased about this ethical gray zone" https://www.teenvogue.com/story/congress-stock-trading-ban | Source: Teen Vogue
08:08 TR Bot; Congress Stock Trading Leads to Major Conflicts of Interest | Teen Vogue
08:08 TR News; "Below the slogan was Taiwan's national flag followed by its national emblem." https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4561098 | Source: Taiwan News
08:08 TR Bot; Anonymous hacks Chinese educational site to mark Tiananmen massacre | Taiwan News | 2022-06-06 11:18:00
08:08 TR News; "Media Matters' Matt Gertz reported that Carlson did not go to commercial break once during the hearing he did not show" https://www.salon.com/2022/06/09/fox-news-refuses-to-air-jan-6-violence-while-trashing-hearing-as-boring-and-propaganda/ | Source: Salon
08:08 TR Bot; News refuses to air Jan. 6 violence while trashing hearing as boring and propaganda | Salon.com
08:09 TR News; "There is no evidence that [Internet] shutdowns have reduced cheating in exams." https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/06/09/syria-like-much-of-the-arab-world-inflicts-country-wide-internet-blackouts-during-exams | Source: The Economist
08:09 TR Bot; like much of the Arab world, inflicts country-wide internet blackouts during exams | The Economist
08:19 TR News; DRM and losses -- that's what Spotify is. "Spotify wants to make audiobooks the next pillar of its business." https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/9/23161536/spotify-audiobooks-amazon-audible-podcasts | Source: The Verge
08:19 TR Bot; Spotify comes for audiobooks - The Verge
08:20 TR News; Microsoft is obsolete. Also wrongly assuming people will buy new hardware. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-could-finally-kill-hdd-boot-drives/ | Source: Digital Trends
08:20 TR Bot; Microsoft could finally kill HDD boot drives for good | Digital Trends
08:20 TR News; "Atkinson sued last year claiming that the source material, published in 2008" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/netflix-settles-copyright-lawsuit-over-fish-headed-villain-in-the-umbrella-academy-1235162192/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
08:20 TR Bot; Netflix Settles Lawsuit Over Fish-Headed Umbrella Academy Villain The Hollywood Reporter
08:40 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 09, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/irc-log-090622/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/irc-log-090622/
08:40 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 09, 2022 | Techrights
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09:07 TR News; Linus Torvalds Still Loves the GNU General Public License | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/linus-torvalds-still-loves-gpl/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/linus-torvalds-still-loves-gpl/
09:07 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds Still Loves the GNU General Public License | Techrights
09:14 TR News; ShaRPiKeebo handheld Linux computer based on Raspberry Pi Zero (2) W ships with a LoRa radio Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165837
09:14 TR Bot; ShaRPiKeebo handheld Linux computer based on Raspberry Pi Zero (2) W ships with a LoRa radio | Tux Machines
09:28 TR News; One fact that the media did not pay attention to at the time of the talk was, Torvalds (unlike his Microsoft- and VMware-infiltrated employer) strongly supports the GPL http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/linus-torvalds-still-loves-gpl/
09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:30 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D257.jpg
09:31 TR News; Re: Subscripts And Superscripts In Gemtext gemini://dj-chase.com/documents/re-sub-sup-gemtext.gmi
09:32 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D611.jpg
09:36 TR News; They probably belittle what he ACTUALLY did. Probably some serious crime. https://nypost.com/2022/06/08/microsofts-alex-kipman-resigns-after-being-accused-of-watching-vr-porn-in-office-report/
09:36 TR Bot; Microsoft's Alex Kipman resigns after being accused of watching 'VR porn' in office: report
09:45 TR News; Links 10/06/2022: systemd-oomd Killing Software Badly | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/systemd-oomd-rants/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/systemd-oomd-rants/
09:45 TR Bot; Links 10/06/2022: systemd-oomd Killing Software Badly | Techrights
09:46 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165838
09:46 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
09:46 TR News; Microsoft Misdeeds Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165839
09:46 TR Bot; Microsoft Misdeeds | Tux Machines
09:46 TR News; GNU and Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165840
09:46 TR Bot; GNU and Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:49 TR News; Journal of fliptop (1666): "Dear Google: Almost a year ago, in your infinite wisdom, you stopped accepting SpamCop reports." https://soylentnews.org/~fliptop/journal/11303 Source: soylentnews
09:49 TR Bot; Journal of fliptop (1666)
09:50 TR News; old: Debian and Torvalds https://www.hpcwire.com/2000/08/11/idg-linus-torvalds-award-to-be-presented-to-debian/
09:50 TR Bot; IDG/Linus Torvalds Award To Be Presented To Debian
09:51 TR News; This Bot Posted 3500 R Packages To The AUR!! https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/this-bot-posted-3500-r-packages-to-the:8 Source: BrodieRobertson
09:51 TR Bot; This Bot Posted 3500 R Packages To The AUR!!
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09:51 TR News; "Normally when we talk about our high-security boot firmware PureBoot, its in the context of the advanced tamper detection it adds to a system." https://puri.sm/posts/pureboots-powerful-recovery-console/ | Source: Purism
09:51 TR Bot; PureBoot's Powerful Recovery Console Purism
09:52 TR News; "While LXD is mostly known for providing system containers, since the 4.0 LTS, it also natively supports virtual machines." https://ubuntu.com//blog/lxd-virtual-machines-an-overview | Source: Ubuntu
09:52 TR Bot; virtual machines: an overview | Ubuntu
09:52 TR News; "The standard model of the MYD-CZU3EG-ISP packs the Zynq UltraScale+ ZU3EG MPSoC which provides a quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 (up to 1.2GHz)" https://linuxgizmos.com/myir-offers-vision-edge-computing-based-on-zynq-ultrascale-mpsoc/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
09:52 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/myir-offers-vision-edge-computing-based-on-zynq-ultrascale-mpsoc/ )
09:52 TR News; "Simply NUC launched the Topaz 2 mini PC which can accommodate the Alder Lake processors from Intel." https://linuxgizmos.com/topaz-2-mini-pc-from-simply-nuc-comes-with-intel-12th-gen-processors-quad-displays-and-dual-ethernet-ports/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
09:52 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/topaz-2-mini-pc-from-simply-nuc-comes-with-intel-12th-gen-processors-quad-displays-and-dual-ethernet-ports/ )
09:53 TR News; "Fedora and RHEL provide system-wide configurations that apply to all cryptographic libraries in the crypto-policies package since RHEL 8" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/legacy-cryptography-fedora-36-and-red-hat-enterprise-linux-9 | Source: Red Hat Official
09:53 TR Bot; Legacy cryptography in Fedora 36 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9
09:53 TR News; "Vim is one of the most popular terminal-based text editors for decades." https://linuxhandbook.com/vim-indentation-tab-spaces/ | Source: Linux Handbook
09:53 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://linuxhandbook.com/vim-indentation-tab-spaces/ )
09:57 TR News; "Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition from Larian Studios recently became Steam Deck Verified." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/one-of-the-highest-rated-games-on-steam-divinity-original-sin-2-is-steam-deck-verified/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:57 TR Bot; of the highest rated games on Steam, Divinity: Original Sin 2 is Steam Deck Verified | GamingOnLinux
09:57 TR News; "Back in April the Zombie shooter Back 4 Blood added experimental support for the Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/back-4-blood-gets-a-small-update-for-the-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:57 TR Bot; 4 Blood gets a small update for the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
09:59 TR News; "Are you wanting to get some hardware from Linux vendor System76 but they don't currently ship to you, or it's expensive to do so?" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165765#comment-33933 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/linux-hardware-vendor-system76-is-coming-to-europe/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:59 TR Bot; System76 to Open Distribution Hub in Europe | Tux Machines
09:59 TR Bot; hardware vendor System76 is coming to Europe | GamingOnLinux
10:00 TR News; "Arietta of Spirits, a story-driven action-adventure game with easy to approach game mechanics, has a new update out that makes it run better on the Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/arietta-of-spirits-gets-fixed-up-for-30fps-mode-on-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:00 TR Bot; of Spirits gets fixed up for 30FPS mode on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
10:00 TR News; "The Battle Report Update is out now for Dota 2, with the majority of it being for Dota Plus but there's also some of the usual balancing changes" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/dota-2-gets-a-nice-performance-improvement-with-the-vulkan-renderer/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:00 TR Bot; 2 gets a nice performance improvement with the Vulkan renderer | GamingOnLinux
10:00 TR News; "Ready for your next set of new games? Humble Bundle have some good choices in their Capcom Summer Bundle and Humble Choice." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/humble-has-some-great-goodies-in-the-capcom-summer-bundle-and-humble-choice/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:01 TR News; "It's now confirmed that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge will be launching on June 16, using FNA and it will have a Native Linux version" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-shredders-revenge-releases-june-16/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:01 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/humble-has-some-great-goodies-in-the-capcom-summer-bundle-and-humble-choice/ )
10:01 TR Bot; timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-shredders-revenge-releases-june-16/ )
10:03 TR News; Overpopulation begets the needs for more aggressive social control, both online and offline
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10:30 TR News; Yes, patents kill https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/09/30000-people-have-died-each-day-wto-dragged-its-feet-vaccine-patents-oxfam | Source: Common Dreams
10:30 TR Bot; 30,000 People Have Died Each Day WTO Dragged Its Feet on Vaccine Patents: Oxfam
10:32 TR News; "Antitrust and telecom experts warned anybody whod listen that the Sprint and T-Mobile merger (which reduced the number of major U.S. wireless players..." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/right-on-cue-u-s-wireless-prices-creep-skyward-after-mergers/ | Source: Techdirt
10:32 TR Bot; On Cue, U.S. Wireless Prices Creep Skyward After Mergers | Techdirt
10:33 TR News; Twitter insurrection https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/twitter-fights-back-against-january-6th-committees-dangerously-intrusive-subpoena-demands/ | Source: Techdirt http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
10:33 TR Bot; Fights Back Against January 6th Committees Dangerously Intrusive Subpoena Demands | Techdirt
10:33 TR Bot; Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights
10:33 TR News; "Could Paramount Pictures have actually lost the copyright to Top Gun, even as it was releasing a new Top Gun movie?" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/i-feel-the-need-the-need-to-file-frivolous-copyright-lawsuits-to-cash-in-on-top-gun/ | Source: Techdirt
10:33 TR Bot; Feel The Need The Need To File Frivolous Copyright Lawsuits To Cash In On Top Gun | Techdirt
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10:34 TR News; The copyright trolls https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/us-copyright-small-claims-court-opens-its-doors-next-week-two-questions-remain-will-anyone-use-it-and-is-it-constitutional/ | Source: Techdirt
10:34 TR Bot; Copyright Small Claims Court Opens Its Doors Next Week. Two Questions Remain: Will Anyone Use It And Is It Constitutional? | Techdirt
10:35 TR News; "Welcome to the June edition of the monthly Fortran newsletter." https://fortran-lang.org/newsletter/2022/06/09/Fortran-Newsletter-June-2022/ | Source: Fortran Lang
10:35 TR Bot; Fortran newsletter: June 2022 - Fortran Programming Language
10:35 TR News; "trademark disputes regularly annoy me for a variety of reasons which I cover on this site" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/california-bakery-bullying-suing-others-over-descriptive-mochi-muffin-trademark-it-somehow-got/ | Source: Techdirt
10:35 TR Bot; Bakery Bullying/Suing Others Over Descriptive Mochi Muffin Trademark It Somehow Got | Techdirt
10:36 TR News; Big Pharma corruption https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/09/dear-member-congress-lower-drug-prices-now-or-lose-your-job | Source: Common Dreams
10:36 TR Bot; Opinion | Dear Member of Congress: Lower Drug Prices Now or Lose Your Job | Laura Packard
10:41 TR News; PATENTS: "Prescription drug spending in the U.S. exceeded half a trillion dollars in 2020." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/09/unbelievable-half-new-drugs-launched-2020-2021-cost-150000-or-more-year | Source: Common Dreams
10:41 TR Bot; 'Unbelievable': Half of New Drugs Launched in 2020-2021 Cost $150,000 or More Per Year
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11:00 TR News; COVID-19 in England: Testing Down to New Lows, But Cases and Hospitalisations Increase, Even in Summertime (Worst COVID Summer So Far) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/10/covid-19-in-england-summertime/
11:00 TR Bot; Blog Archive COVID-19 in England: Testing Down to New Lows, But Cases and Hospitalisations Increase, Even in Summertime (Worst COVID Summer So Far)
11:04 TR News; Games: Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition, Back 4 Blood, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165841
11:04 TR Bot; Games: Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition, Back 4 Blood, and More | Tux Machines
11:06 TR News; Hungary and ECHR https://insighthungary.444.hu/2022/06/09/echr-hungarys-treatment-of-asylum-seeker-was-inhuman | Source: Insight Hungary
11:07 TR Bot; ECHR: Hungary's treatment of asylum seeker was 'inhuman' - InsightHungary
11:07 TR News; "Successful lawsuits filed by several Israel-based media companies against three pirate streaming sites are proving tricky to wrap up." https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-streaming-lawsuit-plaintiffs-want-cloudflare-held-in-contempt-of-court-220609/ | Source: Torrent Freak
11:07 TR News; "New research published by the EU Intellectual Property Office shows that piracy remains prevalent among EU youth." https://torrentfreak.com/eu-piracy-rates-are-the-highest-among-well-educated-youth-220609/ | Source: Torrent Freak
11:07 TR Bot; Streaming Lawsuit Plaintiffs Want Cloudflare Held in Contempt of Court * TorrentFreak
11:07 TR Bot; Piracy Rates are the Highest Among Well Educated Youth * TorrentFreak
11:12 TR News; On inflation https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/09/there-are-better-ways-for-societies-to-address-inflation-than-by-hiking-interest-rates/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:12 TR Bot; Are Better Ways for Societies to Address Inflation Than by Hiking Interest Rates - CounterPunch.org
11:13 TR News; Plunder https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/09/do-we-have-to-give-the-rich-all-of-our-money-enforcing-the-estate-tax/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:13 TR Bot; We Have to Give the Rich All of Our Money? Enforcing the Estate Tax - CounterPunch.org
11:14 TR News; Regulatory Capture https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/09/corruption-and-regulatory-capture/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:14 TR Bot; and Regulatory Capture - CounterPunch.org
11:15 TR News; ICE https://truthout.org/articles/trump-ice-officials-thought-immigrant-kids-were-reunited-with-parents-too-soon/ | Microsoft PROFITS from it http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/
11:15 TR Bot; Trump ICE Officials Thought Immigrant Kids Were Reunited With Parents Too Soon
11:15 TR Bot; Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights
11:28 TR News; "Whether phishing attempts or stolen passwords, attackers use many different tricks to access your emails and steal your important data." https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/protect-your-email/ | Source: PIA
11:28 TR Bot; How to Protect Your Email Stay Safe from Spam, Malware and Online Attacks
11:32 TR News; Revolving Doors Arent Just Annoying https://hackaday.com/2022/06/09/revolving-doors-arent-just-annoying-theyre-energy-saving-too/ | Source: Hackaday
11:32 TR Bot; Doors Arent Just Annoying, Theyre Energy Saving Too | Hackaday
11:34 TR News; The Compu-tor Is A Raspberry Pi Laptop In A Mahogany Case Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165842
11:34 TR Bot; The Compu-tor Is A Raspberry Pi Laptop In A Mahogany Case | Tux Machines
11:36 TR News; "Buying broken gear for cheap is time honored hacker tradition, and while we might not always be successful in reviving it, rarely do we come away empty handed." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/09/swapped-rom-revives-ailing-hp-48s-calculator/ | Source: Hackaday
11:36 TR Bot; ROM Revives Ailing HP-48S Calculator | Hackaday
11:37 TR News; "Heres my solution to the formula shortage" https://www.thenation.com/article/society/baby-formula-crisis/ | Source: The Nation
11:37 TR Bot; If Men Could Breastfeed | The Nation
11:38 TR News; Mouse Charging Mod https://hackaday.com/2022/06/09/mouse-charging-mod-shows-even-simple-hacks-can-end-up-complex/ | Source: Hackaday
11:38 TR Bot; Charging Mod Shows Even Simple Hacks Can End Up Complex | Hackaday
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11:54 TR News; Links 10/06/2022: Games and Fortran Newsletter | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/fortran-newsletter/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/fortran-newsletter/
11:54 TR Bot; Links 10/06/2022: Games and Fortran Newsletter | Techrights
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12:01 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165843
12:02 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:35 TR News; "Patients admitted to hospital, first week of June" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/10/covid-19-in-england-summertime/
12:35 TR News; Surge XT - virtual synthesizer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165844
12:35 TR Bot; Surge XT - virtual synthesizer | Tux Machines
12:36 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165845
12:36 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:40 TR News; Halifax has sent me a card I do not want and did not ask for. I don't want this "smart" nonsense. It's not safe, either.
12:41 TR News; Halifax plays ball for the "war on cash". Don't fall for false "convenience". Keep paying anonymously with real money.
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13:31 MinceR; 10 044220 < matey> what would be better than a switch is a pinout with a separate write pin in the spec
13:32 MinceR; well, if you don't trust switches, you could use a jumper :>
13:36 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Screen-Shot-2022-05-31-at-7.36.12-AM.png
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14:16 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/sometimes-tumblr-comments-are-the-best-part-of-the-photo-20-photos-10.jpg
14:25 psydruid; https://web.archive.org/web/20220528123058/https://people.csail.mit.edu/weontaek/pubs/PACMAN_ISCA22.pdf
14:25 psydruid; https://www.macworld.com/article/708912/mit-pacman-m1.html
14:25 TR Bot; warn of 'PACMAN' flaw in M1 chip that can't be patched | Macworld
14:46 psydruid; https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/336945-intel-freezes-all-pc-hiring-for-at-least-two-weeks
14:46 TR Bot; Freezes All PC Hiring For at Least Two Weeks - ExtremeTech
14:47 psydruid; maybe it would be better to stop hiring indefinitely
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15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:53 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/sometimes-tumblr-comments-are-the-best-part-of-the-photo-20-photos-13.jpg
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15:58 schestowitz_TR2; hi data_peep
16:00 data_peep; hi peeps
16:00 schestowitz_TR2; we have your data
16:01 data_peep; well fuck you
16:01 schestowitz_TR2; joking
16:01 schestowitz_TR2; maybe not well received
16:01 data_peep; orl
16:01 schestowitz_TR2; yeah
16:02 schestowitz_TR2; anyway, welcome
16:05 data_peep; data wants to be free
16:05 schestowitz_TR2; information
16:05 schestowitz_TR2; data sometimes need sheltering
16:07 data_peep; free from pimps
16:08 schestowitz_TR2; people want to be free
16:08 schestowitz_TR2; pimps are just one class of oppressors
16:09 schestowitz_TR2; some people are sold by govs. and bosses at work
16:09 schestowitz_TR2; data pimps, too
16:09 TR News; Monopolies Are Neither Green Nor Sustainable | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/ip5-not-green-or-sustainable/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/ip5-not-green-or-sustainable/
16:09 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/ip5-not-green-or-sustainable/ )
16:10 schestowitz_TR2; state-authorised pimps
16:10 schestowitz_TR2; and literal pimps who sell access to state actors
16:10 schestowitz_TR2; now they tell us the term "slave" cannot be used
16:10 schestowitz_TR2; though it perfectly well described many work relationship in present days
16:10 schestowitz_TR2; not just in "third-world countries"
16:12 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/10/the-viceroy "How Sergiey Kiriyenko became Putins point man in the Donbas and plans to shape Russias post-war image"
16:12 TR Bot; NO TITLE
16:12 TR News; "watching the recording of my stream and I am blessed to not actually be annoyed by my voice" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
16:12 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/252080
16:12 TR Bot; Prosecutor orders Russian anti-war musicians radio show off air
16:12 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/10/a77961
16:12 TR Bot; Ukraine Dependent on Arms From Allies After Exhausting Soviet-Era Weaponry - The Moscow Times
16:13 schestowitz_TR2; peace is a crime
16:13 schestowitz_TR2; war is just
16:13 schestowitz_TR2; welcome to russia
16:13 schestowitz_TR2; snowden has not caught any limelight lately
16:13 schestowitz_TR2; not a good political climate to receive any attention
16:19 XRevan86; schestowitz: He hasn't written anything on this at all. That's understandable, I guess.
16:23 schestowitz_TR2; they need to check his beain then
16:23 schestowitz_TR2; or take surprise stool samples
16:24 schestowitz_TR2; and then figure out what they say about his political stance
16:24 schestowitz_TR2; Vladimir Poopin keeps it close to his chest
16:25 schestowitz_TR2; Cargo 300: a tonnage of Putin's '"number 2"
16:27 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagman
16:28 XRevan86; Instead of the heavily wounded.
16:28 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagman )
16:28 schestowitz_TR2; XFaCE: they are of the same value
16:28 schestowitz_TR2; to poopin, they're just shit
16:28 schestowitz_TR2; thhere are 150 million of them annyway
16:28 schestowitz_TR2; if he counts women too
16:32 TR News; [Meme] Working for Monopolisers | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/epo-monopolisers/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/epo-monopolisers/
16:32 TR Bot; [Meme] Working for Monopolisers | Techrights
16:38 TR News; Another week of excess mortality in England quietly added. Week 17 added... we're in week 21 already. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1081454/Weekly_report_mortality__W23.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1080639/Weekly_report_mortality__W22.pdf
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17:02 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/10/7351750/
17:02 TR Bot; Kremlin denies prisoner of war status for two British citizens ''condemned to death'' in the DPR? | Ukrayinska Pravda
17:11 TR News; #HowTo get your application to show up in GNOME Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165846
17:11 TR Bot; How to get your application to show up in GNOME Software | Tux Machines
17:11 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165847
17:11 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:16 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/10/7351721/
17:16 TR Bot; Security Service of Ukraine: invaders planned to distribute Soviet Union passports to residents of Kiev region | Ukrayinska Pravda
17:18 TR News; "got my blog re-located finally to https://meeksfamily.uk/~michael after something of a hiatus caused by the demise of people.gnome.org - that lets me continue to be a dinosaur and generate RSS manually and so on." https://meeksfamily.uk/~michael/blog
17:18 TR Bot; Stuff Michael Meeks is doing
17:18 TR Bot; Stuff Michael Meeks is doing
17:20 TR News; Microsoft accelerates its own death to fake or pretend Vista 11 adoption is OK https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/9/23160968/microsoft-windows-11-unsupported-pcs-22h2-update-release-accident
17:20 TR Bot; Microsoft has accidentally released Windows 11 for unsupported PCs - The Verge
17:21 TR News; Reproducible Builds (diffoscope): diffoscope 216 released https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-216-released/
17:21 TR Bot; diffoscope 216 released
17:23 TR News; "Mozilla will be represented on the WHATWG Steering Group by Tantek elik going forward." https://annevankesteren.nl/2022/06/after-mozilla
17:23 TR Bot; After Mozilla Annes Blog
17:35 TR News; Microsoft is just pushing proprietary software; it's not even pretending otherwise https://news.itsfoss.com/atom-being-discontinued/
17:35 TR Bot; To Favor Microsoft VS Code, Microsoft's GitHub is Killing GitHub's Atom Editor - It's FOSS News
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17:46 TR News; Facebook and Iran (corporate media uses the fake name of the company for PR purposes) https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220609-activists-urge-meta-to-overhaul-policies-for-iran-content
17:46 TR Bot; Activists urge Meta to overhaul policies for Iran content
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17:49 TR News; Consultation paper on Media Ownership: TRAI-ing to do too much https://internetfreedom.in/trai-ing-to-do-too-much/ Source: internetfreedom
17:49 TR Bot; Consultation paper on Media Ownership: TRAI-ing to do too much
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17:53 TR News; Phoronix used to be pro-Linux. Now it's pro-Phoronix sponsors. That is a problem. Same as Linux [sic] Foundation...
17:55 TR News; Sounds like marketing spam: "Plus, a surprise live unboxing of HP's Dev One Linux laptop." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8489
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17:56 TR News; Why Complex Systems Collapse Faster - Tablet Magazine //www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/why-complex-systems-collapse-faster think systemd...
17:57 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165849
17:57 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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18:18 TR News; "I hope I didn't miss anyone - though of course I have several Linux packaging heros that are (arguably) not per-se app-store packagers I had to miss out: Rene, Petr, Fridrich and no doubt more." https://meeksfamily.uk/~michael/blog/2022-06-10.html
18:18 TR Bot; Stuff Michael Meeks is doing
18:18 TR News; The collapse of complex software | Read the Tea Leaves //nolanlawson.com/2022/06/09/the-collapse-of-complex-software/
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18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:36 matey; there is one situation where most (same author) is definitely better than using jed (as a less alternative)
18:37 matey; if you copy most to /usr/bin/less then it will still work (with colour) when you run man pages
18:37 matey; jed (at least by default) will so you ^HS^Htuff like this
18:38 SomeH4x0r; hi
18:38 matey; hi someh4x0r, did you see what i said yesterday about irc over tor?
18:38 SomeH4x0r; I probably missed it, but it should be in my logs
18:38 matey; i can repeat it if its convenient for you
18:38 SomeH4x0r; ok
18:39 matey; basically since youre interested in setting up irc channels etc
18:39 matey; you should (imo) show more people how to setup irc over tor
18:39 matey; its too easy and everyone who is interested enough to try it should
18:39 matey; even if they only run it for a day, theyve seen irc working without dns
18:40 matey; which is great. then if they ever need an irc channel (or another onion service) they know its something theyve done, its easy
18:40 matey; everyone can have their own irc server and they can still group together on the more popular networks
18:40 TR News; Microsoft Attacking Free Software Again (ro Promote Its Proprietary Stuff Which Spies) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165850
18:40 TR Bot; Microsoft Attacking Free Software Again (ro Promote Its Proprietary Stuff Which Spies) | Tux Machines
18:41 SomeH4x0r; I don't atm, however on UplinkIRC I try to teach people IRC basics, some people become regulars, some stay for a few days
18:41 matey; its just an idea, something to consider now or in the future
18:41 matey; setting up tor and irc really isnt hard
18:42 TR News; songs for the road ahead gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1003
18:42 matey; as yo uknow
18:42 matey; it would be cool if more people knew that
18:42 TR News; New Digs and Thoughts About Transportation and Community gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-06-10-transportation.gmi
18:42 matey; my associate even thinks it could help reboot hacker culture (maybe...)
18:43 matey; id certainly recommend it over any fediverse crap
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18:55 matey; installing gnu/penguinshit for the first time in nearly 2 years
18:56 SomeH4x0r; btw, Sweety, a person I met on UplinkIRC a few months ago, did appear on TWISTED again
18:56 SomeH4x0r; no idea if you seen them
18:57 SomeH4x0r; they wanted to switch to GNU/Linux, but yet failed
18:57 matey; which distro did they try\
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18:59 MinceR; (cat) https://obviousplant.tumblr.com/post/157321652768/i-gave-these-adoptable-cats-some-interesting-likes
18:59 TR Bot; Obvious Plant I gave these adoptable cats some interesting likes...
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18:59 SomeH4x0r; can't remember, iirc Linux Mint at least
18:59 SomeH4x0r; but
18:59 SomeH4x0r; 19:01 < SomeH4x0r> btw did you switch to GNU/Linux?
18:59 SomeH4x0r; 19:03 < Sweety> i gave up, every one distribution had errors
19:00 schestowitz_TR2; maybe we can help solve some of them
19:01 matey; /me has gnu installed
19:02 SomeH4x0r; tell them to come back to techrights
19:02 matey; one machine, which already works fine with openbsd
19:02 matey; but since im probably going to make something for gnu/linux with this, ive got a gnu installation again
19:02 SomeH4x0r; *told
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; sometimes it's a tricky thing, sometimes not complicated
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; like some linux-hostile piece of hardware
19:03 matey; or user-hostile init system
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; some ubuntu users now moan about systemd-oomd
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; systemd cannot do OOM right
19:04 matey; s/OOM/much of anything/
19:04 schestowitz_TR2; maybe in 5-10 years it'll work right
19:04 matey; maybe in 5-10 years lennart will have taken up pig farming
19:04 schestowitz_TR2; when they transitioned eveyrthing to pulseaudio, for years I had to occasionally rweboot
19:04 schestowitz_TR2; to get sound to work again
19:04 matey; not that theres anything wrong with that
19:04 matey; he will probably try to clone all the pigs so there are no differences between them
19:05 matey; what is it with germans and uniformity anyway?
19:05 schestowitz_TR2; LP used to blame Ubuntu itself
19:05 schestowitz_TR2; saying it was improperly packaging pulseaudioo
19:05 schestowitz_TR2; brb
19:05 matey; the proper way to package it is with cement
19:05 matey; like they did to the chernobyl plant
19:05 psydruid; The Adventures of Lennart Pig on the Pig Farm
19:06 XRevan86; schestowitz: Smells like that rtkit bug that causes it to revoke rtprio on suspend.
19:06 TR News; Get popcorn https://www.maketecheasier.com/microsoft-bug-unsupported-pcs-upgrade-to-windows-11/
19:06 TR Bot; Microsoft Bug Allows Unsupported PCs to Upgrade to Windows 11 - Make Tech Easier
19:06 matey; psydruid: im going with a conservative (read: lazy) approach to this project for now
19:06 matey; im creating a series of scripts that will simply transform an existing installation
19:06 matey; i will consider making them into something that converts the live iso as well
19:07 XRevan86; For me it mysteriously disappeared after I updated to Linux 5.16+. But other people confirm it still exists on other machines.
19:07 matey; but this is less effort, plus it targets existing installs
19:07 psydruid; matey, I'm sure you'll manage
19:07 matey; oh this is the easy way
19:07 matey; i could do worse
19:07 psydruid; I wish I had that much interest in gnu/linux left, but I don't
19:08 matey; neither do i
19:08 psydruid; I'm just a user
19:08 matey; yeah right
19:08 matey; maybe thats true on the gnu/linux side
19:08 XRevan86; "Smells like" <- But not necessarily it, as PulseAudio doesn't absolutely need priority/rtprio to function.
19:10 matey; did we ever figure out exactly why it creates noise and stuttering?
19:10 matey; is there a definitive reason for that
19:10 XRevan86; Probably something else, I should stop assuming every uptimey sound bug is rtkit.
19:12 XRevan86; matey: That's underruns/overruns, there's no general but specific umbrella explanation for why they happen.
19:13 MinceR; the explanation is that it was designed by lennart poettering
19:13 matey; lol
19:13 matey; works for me
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19:29 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/find-a-man https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/165332644120220523after.png
19:29 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Find a Man
19:34 TR News; Celebrating Eighteen | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/tux-machines-cakes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/tux-machines-cakes/
19:34 TR Bot; Celebrating Eighteen | Techrights
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19:56 AdmFubar; https://www.pogowasright.org/met-police-profiling-children-on-a-large-scale-documents-show/
19:56 TR Bot; Met police profiling children on a large scale, documents show
19:59 AdmFubar; https://www.propublica.org/article/chicago-housing-abla-fire-soccer-cha#1349316
19:59 TR Bot; Chicago Promised This Land for Housing. Its Going to Be a Chicago Fire Practice Facility Instead. ProPublica
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20:17 AdmFubar; writing on the wall? https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-stop-using-non-competition-clauses-salary-transparency-corporate-culture-2022-6
20:17 TR Bot; Microsoft Won't Ban Most Staff From Seeking Jobs at Big Tech Rivals
20:20 AdmFubar; https://techxplore.com/news/2022-06-foods-shoppers-sue-amazon-free.html
20:20 TR Bot; Whole Foods shoppers sue Amazon following end of free delivery for Prime members
20:22 TR News; Photos: Tux Machines at 18 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165851
20:22 TR Bot; Photos: Tux Machines at 18 | Tux Machines
20:23 AdmFubar; aaawwww techrightrights is now old enough to legally buy an assault weapon in the us!
20:26 TR News; Kills becomes "Sunsets" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165850#comment-33937
20:26 TR Bot; Microsoft Attacking Free Software Again (ro Promote Its Proprietary Stuff Which Spies) | Tux Machines
20:30 TR News; Ubuntu problems, Linux on iPad, System76 in Europe - Linux and open source news - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=39PylALvQ3U Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
20:30 TR Bot; Ubuntu problems, Linux on iPad, System76 in Europe - Linux and open source news - Invidious
20:30 TR News; systemd is not "Ubuntu" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=39PylALvQ3U
20:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, I've got one better.
20:31 DaemonFC; WHen they switched to "glitch-free" pulseaudio is when that sound card I had started glitching.
20:32 TR News; Review: openSUSE Leap 15.4 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165852
20:32 TR Bot; Review: openSUSE Leap 15.4 | Tux Machines
20:33 TR News; As weve just noted, based on the latest puff piece from the EPOs very own Web site, Antnio Campinos and the EPO at large are in the pockets of lobbyists and special interests of the worlds largest corporations http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/epo-monopolisers/
20:33 TR Bot; [Meme] Working for Monopolisers | Techrights
20:33 TR News; Antnio Campinos (Monopoly Tony) has no legitimate, factual, and authentic arguments to make; like politicians who start wars and lie to their people, Monopoly Tony is nowadays resorting to buzzwords and greenwashing http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/ip5-not-green-or-sustainable/
20:33 TR Bot; Monopolies Are Neither Green Nor Sustainable | Techrights
20:37 DaemonFC; Non-compete clauses are routinely abused, especially against lower income workers.
20:38 DaemonFC; That way if you take a job at Jimmy John's sandwich shop, you're forbidden from taking a job at another restaurant within a year of quitting, so they can keep you at minimum wage even if something slightly better opens up elsewhere.
20:39 DaemonFC; They were enforcing it and it became an issue that the Illinois Attorney General opened an investigation into, so they stopped doing it in Illinois.
20:39 DaemonFC; The only reason most of these end up in a contract you sign to work somewhere is to depress wages.
20:39 DaemonFC; A guy making sandwiches doesn't know any trade secrets or inside information about the company.
20:40 DaemonFC; The rent in many cities is going up 15 or even 20% YoY.
20:40 DaemonFC; Locally, they're up about 5% or so.
20:40 DaemonFC; I expect the landlord to hit us with another increase, but we're not getting it as badly as they are in some places.
20:41 DaemonFC; One reason it's going up like crazy in certain places that were cheap as dirt to live in before is because work from home is getting more common and when you can just live anywhere, why would you pay to live in California anymore?
20:41 DaemonFC; You'll probably like it better in Austin, Texas, or Nashville, Tennessee.
20:42 DaemonFC; They recently recalled the prosecutor of San Francisco County because he wouldn't pursue charges against any black criminals, and once word caught on, they started having train robberies every day.
20:42 DaemonFC; People walking into Walgreens and tossing the entire shelf into bags and walking out.
20:42 DaemonFC; Because even if they police come, the prosecutor won't do anything to you because of wokeism.
20:42 DaemonFC; So why on Earth wouldn't you just take anything you wanted to?
20:43 DaemonFC; The economy of California will probably collapse even before it does in other blue states.
20:44 DaemonFC; Illinois is a blue state, but it's still the midwest, so people aren't THAT insane, even here.
20:44 DaemonFC; Those companies that are down by half on the year that Jim Cramer was saying "Throw your money at that! You can't lose!". California.
20:44 DaemonFC; Almost two million net losses of residents in the last 10 years? California.
20:45 DaemonFC; And that didn't even count the people moving during and after the Census because it asked where you lived on April 1, 2020.
20:45 DaemonFC; And when you're getting the hell out a few months later, California still gets the numbers this time.
20:45 DaemonFC; So I mean, it's worse. It's worse than what the Census showed. If the Census asked even where they lived on September 1st 2020, they'd have lost another seat in Congress.
20:46 DaemonFC; New York too.
20:46 DaemonFC; The whole thing is leading into a 2032-2042 Republican Majority in Congress, and probably favoring them in the White House too.
20:47 DaemonFC; Because people say they're progressive, but then they get a look at the 14 pages of government taxing their home and the 60 cent a gallon Democrat tax hike to run the car.
20:47 DaemonFC; All of a sudden, not so much.
20:48 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, We even have a unit of government where I live that "sprays for mosquitoes", except it doesn't.
20:48 DaemonFC; It taxes us, and then it doesn't spray.
20:49 DaemonFC; The Lake County Democrats saw that the mosquito district has over $4.7 million dollars in the bank and is moving to abolish the district and take over "mosquito spraying" that they aren't even doing, so they can raid the bank account and keep taxing for not spraying the mosquitoes.
20:50 DaemonFC; Lilo and Stitch accidentally accomplished with comedy what's going on here in Illinois.
20:51 DaemonFC; Part of the plot of the movie was that the aliens weren't blowing up Earth because it was a refuge for mosquitoes.
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21:09 psydroid2; Snaps are Ubuntu
21:10 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/foreword
21:10 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Foreword
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21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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21:36 DaemonFC; Snaps are the universal next generation Web 3.0 Microsoft-approved package for the future of Linux, also known as Ubuntu on WSL.
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22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
23:04 psydruid; In the name of matlock, amen
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23:31 matey; so this is fun
23:32 matey; ive had gnu/cloaca on this piece of shit for a few hours and im ready to literally chuck it over the fucking balcony
23:32 matey; seriously, this laptop has been condemned
23:32 matey; i dont even care that i can put openbsd on it again
23:32 matey; i demand a fucking sacrifice
23:33 matey; granted this relatively unfair and what im trying to do is unorthodox at best
23:33 matey; but i want my pound of silicon
23:33 matey; WHY THE FUCK DOES SHUTDOWN -R NOT FUCKING WORK
23:33 SomeH4x0r; hi
23:33 matey; hi
23:34 matey; this machine literally cannot reboot
23:34 matey; its a special little snowflake
23:34 matey; i have a balcony
23:34 matey; its going to to take a big fucking dive
23:34 matey; now you may think "hey man, thats crazy"
23:34 matey; "you were happy with openbsd on it"
23:34 matey; "just put it back!"
23:35 matey; nope, i put gnu/linux on it again and now its tainted
23:35 matey; its too stupid to justify its existence
23:35 matey; for the want of a real os
23:35 matey; /me grins evilly
23:35 matey; i should put alpine on it
23:35 matey; but NOBDOY wants that
23:36 matey; not me, not anyone here
23:36 matey; wars have started over less
23:36 TR News; 6 Practical Reasons for Learning Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165853
23:36 TR Bot; 6 Practical Reasons for Learning Linux | Tux Machines
23:36 matey; better a laptop gets destroyed than a war for nothing
23:36 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165854
23:36 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
23:36 matey; (fwiw i think alpine would LIKELY be less bullshit than this)
23:37 matey; (im not saying that to be nice, im saying it because its the fucking truth)
23:37 matey; theres a certain poetry to this
23:37 matey; i gave a nicer laptop than this away to refracta
23:38 matey; yes and no-- i mean it was a toshiba
23:38 matey; toshiba is japanese for "im sorry"
23:38 matey; but it had all those cores
23:38 matey; this is an i3
23:38 matey; its BEGGING me for death
23:38 matey; "please kill me"
23:39 matey; im really tempted
23:39 matey; if fucking around with penguinshit costs me a whole laptop
23:39 matey; im not exactly rolling in these things
23:39 matey; i swear ill never touch the shit again
23:40 matey; this was supposed to be an experiment
23:40 matey; tell that to marie curie, eh?
23:40 matey; "ill just fuck around with this glowing shit, its no big deal, OOH, ITS PRETTY!"
23:41 matey; so really, chucking this fucker off the balcony (theres no one around) would be poetic
23:41 matey; and a lifelong reminder DONT FUCK WITH PENGUINSHIT
23:41 matey; because its shit
23:41 matey; but
23:42 matey; maybe we can play a little but longer before it goes for its fucking swan dive
23:42 matey; ive removed the battery so when its being a shit i can pull the power
23:42 AdmFubar; what does your policy cover? also what's in your wallet? does it leave a ring shape? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/10/geico-woman-std-car-insurance-company-must-pay
23:42 TR Bot; Insurers Geico ordered to pay woman who caught STD having sex in car $5.2m | Missouri | The Guardian
23:43 matey; even im not silly enough to throw fucking li-ons around
23:43 matey; the thing im trying to is SO. FUCKING. SIMPLE.
23:43 matey; its ludicrious
23:44 matey; and before we go any further, psydroid was right
23:44 matey; this is bullshit!
23:44 matey; i went to mountains of trouble to get away from exactly this
23:45 matey; its stupid
23:46 TR News; Plexs New Linux Apps Arrive on Flathub Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165855
23:46 TR Bot; Plexs New Linux Apps Arrive on Flathub | Tux Machines
23:46 matey; anyway im too curious to give up yet
23:46 matey; i could just (physically) throttle the thing if it gets too ridiculous
23:47 matey; worst ill do is destroy a laptop or trip a circuit breaker
23:48 TR News; Chrome is proprietary software. It is not safe to use. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/10/google-releases-security-updates-chrome
23:48 TR Bot; Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA
23:50 matey; this is the kind of shit im dealing with atm https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/429481/shutdown-r-works-but-reboot-does-not
23:50 TR Bot; centos - "shutdown -r" works but "reboot" does not - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange
23:50 matey; what the serious fuck
23:50 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165856
23:50 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
23:50 matey; BASIC SHIT
23:51 matey; sincerely hoping to learn something, but the whole piece of shit is held together with duct tape and chewing gum
23:56 TR News; "Dennis is a Python command line utility (and library) for working with localization." https://bluesock.org/~willkg/blog/dev/dennis_1_0_0.html
23:56 TR Bot; Dennis v1.0.0 released! Retrospective! Handing it off! | Will's Blog
23:56 TR News; What does this have to do with Firefox, Mozilla? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/tony-nominated-arnulfo-maldonado-shares-pride-and-joy-from-his-corner-of-the-internet/
23:56 TR Bot; Tony-nominated Arnulfo Maldonado Shares Pride and Joy From His Corner of the Internet
23:57 matey; this is getting INCREDIBLY stupid
23:57 matey; im hacking the fuck out of a computer I HAVE ROOT ON
23:58 matey; TO REBOOT
23:58 matey; what the fuck arse balls
23:58 TR News; Ephemeron Tables aka JavaScript WeakMaps and How They Work https://blog.mozilla.org/sfink/2022/06/09/ephemeron-tables-aka-javascript-weakmaps/
23:58 TR Bot; Ephemeron Tables aka JavaScript WeakMaps and How They Work | sfink @ Mozilla
23:59 TR News; ExTiX Deepin 22.6 Live based on Deepin 20.6 (latest) with Refracta Snapshot and kernel 5.18.1-amd64-exton :: Build 220610 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165857
23:59 TR Bot; ExTiX Deepin 22.6 Live based on Deepin 20.6 (latest) with Refracta Snapshot and kernel 5.18.1-amd64-exton :: Build 220610 | Tux Machines
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