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00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:23 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D494.jpg
00:24 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D826.jpg
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00:25 TR News; "I wrote a bot that connects to Discord last year. It's a nice bot. It keeps facts for channel, it keeps timestamped notes per channel, it also connects to IRC (all of which we don't use) and it rolls dice (which is what we use)." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2023-02-04%20systemd%20and%20my%20bot
00:26 TR News; After the session gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2023-02-04%20After%20the%20session
00:27 XRevan86; I was wondering how to translate "", a word from Internet slang, and I've just heard a term "intellectual dishonesty", and I think that works.
00:29 XRevan86; (or " " rather)
00:30 schestowitz[TR2]; in relation to whom?
00:31 XRevan86; schestowitz: Fox News :)
00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; oh, yeah, them...
00:32 schestowitz[TR2]; they're just worse than the rest
00:32 TR News; Museums Round-Up: Commencing countdown, engines on, for opening of new Cold War museum https://cphpost.dk/2023-02-03/activities/museums-round-up-commencing-countdown-engines-on-for-opening-of-new-cold-war-museum/
00:32 TR Bot; Museums Round-Up: Commencing countdown, engines on, for opening of new Cold War museum - The Post The Post
00:33 XRevan86; schestowitz: Tucker Carlson is selling like hot cakes in Russia.
00:34 TR News; "What's interesting about this project is that, on paper, it is straightforward, we just wire up one API to another, and given both deal with simple cryptography primitives it should be pretty simple... or is it?" https://ssimo.org/blog/id_022.html
00:34 TR Bot; OpenSSL 3.0 Providers and PKCS#11
00:36 TR News; Tim Bielawa: Querying block device sizes in Python on Linux and Mac OS X https://blog.lnx.cx/2023/02/04/querying-block-device-sizes-in-python-on-linux-and-mac-os-x/
00:36 TR Bot; Querying block device sizes in Python on Linux and Mac OS X | Technitribe
00:37 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: I can imagine, based on what I read
00:38 XRevan86; It's baffling, I never would've imagined that stupid rhetoric that Russian propaganda finds perfect for its agenda is going to come from someone in the US media mainstream.
00:39 XRevan86; And not some "political expert" with 12 subscribers.
00:40 schestowitz[TR2]; some people just want the platform
00:45 XRevan86; https://youtube.com/channel/UC4PJQ1qeDMjt_8cSi_cp2zA
00:45 TR Bot; - YouTube
00:46 XRevan86; Clips of Tucker Carlson translated into Russian by a Z-blogger.
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00:48 XRevan86; "Recording from a live broadcast. The episode has not been posted separately" <- That's some dedication.
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00:48 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], The surgery hurt like hell.
00:49 TR News; Bill Gates, who enables smuggling underage girls for sex, now pays this university to portray him as "diversity, equity and inclusion." https://record.umich.edu/articles/symposium-will-explore-universities-institutional-history/ Criminals get away with anything?
00:49 TR Bot; Symposium will explore universities institutional history | The University Record
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00:49 DaemonFC; They couldn't completely numb my toe so I told him to just go ahead and get it over with.
00:50 DaemonFC; I bought a basin to do epsom salt baths for a few weeks.
00:50 TR News; umich: we take bribes from criminals to do reputation laundering for these criminals (Bill Gates) https://record.umich.edu/articles/1-2m-grant-supports-effort-to-build-dei-leadership-capacity
00:50 TR Bot; $1.2M grant supports effort to build DEI leadership capacity | The University Record
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00:52 DaemonFC; I have a limp now.
00:52 DaemonFC; From avoiding that toe while I walk.
00:53 XRevan86; Oh my god. "NATO's admitted provoking the war in Ukraine in the face of the former chancellor of Germany".
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00:53 XRevan86; This guy never listened to what Merkel said, he read the Russian media abridged version.
00:54 TR News; Full Time: Propulsive film turns working and parenting into a thriller https://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Movies/2023/0203/Full-Time-Propulsive-film-turns-working-and-parenting-into-a-thriller
00:54 TR Bot; Time: Propulsive film turns getting to work into a thriller - CSMonitor.com
00:54 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore#Discussion_of_conspiracy_theories Respectable figure.
00:54 TR Bot; Jimmy Dore - Wikipedia
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00:54 schestowitz[TR2]; oh dear
00:54 schestowitz[TR2]; wikipedia
00:54 schestowitz[TR2]; i hope i never make it there
00:54 schestowitz[TR2]; political manipulation
00:55 schestowitz[TR2]; dore is OK
00:55 schestowitz[TR2]; but the ""establishment" does not like him
00:55 schestowitz[TR2]; has to add some snide remarks
00:55 schestowitz[TR2]; for sure
00:55 XRevan86; schestowitz: It does track though, what I'm hearing in the video ( https://youtu.be/6Y5OSoK7vfc ). It's completely overcasted with Russian though, so I don't know how to cite it here.
00:55 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=6Y5OSoK7vfc
00:56 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=6Y5OSoK7vfc )
00:56 XRevan86; schestowitz: I'm listening to him right now and I wouldn't call him OK.
00:56 schestowitz[TR2]; dore? he's ok
00:56 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe they highlight his worse clip/s
00:56 schestowitz[TR2]; to discredit him
00:56 schestowitz[TR2]; like rogan with covid-19
00:56 schestowitz[TR2]; and various other people
00:57 schestowitz[TR2]; look for worst, take it out of context
00:57 schestowitz[TR2]; rms went on alex jones show, y'know
00:57 XRevan86; Well, by definition they would highlight the clips that help the Kremlin narrative.
00:57 XRevan86; "We blow up the Nord Stream"
00:58 XRevan86; Breaking news from Dore.
00:58 schestowitz[TR2]; they did this to wikileaks too
00:58 schestowitz[TR2]; all this "russiagate" thing
00:58 schestowitz[TR2]; every site they doon't like... RUSSIA
00:58 schestowitz[TR2]; iirc, dore makes videos every day
00:59 schestowitz[TR2]; inevitably he will say something ddumb sooner or later
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
00:59 XRevan86; schestowitz: https://youtu.be/bP5dkR6QQj8?t=91
00:59 TR Bot; NO TITLE
00:59 XRevan86; There it is.
00:59 schestowitz[TR2]; he also complains about youtube demoting him
00:59 schestowitz[TR2]; which is actually true btw
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01:00 schestowitz[TR2]; https://yewtu.be/bP5dkR6QQj8?t=91
01:00 TR Bot; Jimmy Dore Brings ANTI-WAR Message To Fox News - Invidious
01:00 schestowitz[TR2]; as expected
01:00 XRevan86; schestowitz: Are ye sure he's OK? He sounds a lot like activelow.
01:00 schestowitz[TR2]; they use this to spin it against Biden
01:00 XRevan86; Yep.
01:00 schestowitz[TR2]; doesn't matter if that helps Putin
01:01 XRevan86; schestowitz: For Tucker Carlson it's like that, for Jimmy Dore it's a little different.
01:01 schestowitz[TR2]; you need to understand the context
01:01 schestowitz[TR2]; dore and people he supported were wrongly spun as Russiagate something
01:02 XRevan86; So he became it?
01:02 schestowitz[TR2]; to discourage any narrative that shamd US actions
01:02 schestowitz[TR2]; and they aren't tolerating it anymore
01:02 XRevan86; I hear RT from his mouth.
01:02 schestowitz[TR2]; you hear
01:02 schestowitz[TR2]; it rhymes
01:02 schestowitz[TR2]; doesn't mean he serves russia
01:02 schestowitz[TR2]; he's antiwar
01:03 XRevan86; I can't allege that he does, but he's sure taking what Russian propaganda writes as truth.
01:04 TR News; Days after an ice storm, thousands in the capital of Texas are still without power. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/04/nyregion/cold-arctic-blast-weather/days-after-an-ice-storm-thousands-in-the-capital-of-texas-are-still-without-power
01:04 TR Bot; Brutal Cold Sweeps Across New York and New England - The New York Times
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01:04 schestowitz[TR2]; first, not everything russia says is false
01:04 schestowitz[TR2]; and not everything the biden regime says is false
01:05 schestowitz[TR2]; and people who say things that benefit either side are not necessarily working for them
01:05 schestowitz[TR2]; not everyone who opposes electronic voting machines is a trump supporter
01:05 XRevan86; schestowitz: I brought up the Merkel example because what he said is false.
01:05 XRevan86; And it's easy to prove.
01:06 psydruid; Russia is an enemy and the USA is also an enemy
01:06 psydruid; Neither of them are the good guys
01:07 XRevan86; What he said about the war in Ukraine being provoked by the US because LNG something is conspiratorial thinking worthy of aggi.
01:08 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: here is my own take
01:08 schestowitz[TR2]; and I am no political buff
01:08 schestowitz[TR2]; the US did, in some sense, provoke
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01:09 schestowitz[TR2]; the expansion of EU and NATO to the east is unnecessary
01:09 schestowitz[TR2]; it's not ukraine's head of state though
01:09 schestowitz[TR2]; the invasion of crimea predates him
01:09 schestowitz[TR2]; both side are being territorial
01:09 schestowitz[TR2]; *sides
01:09 XRevan86; schestowitz: Notice how Putin never complained until suddenly he did.
01:09 schestowitz[TR2]; i think that both sides are oppoortunistic
01:10 schestowitz[TR2]; Let's face is, XRevan86:
01:10 XRevan86; If it were such a big problem, he should've given the US a heads up.
01:10 schestowitz[TR2]; a coupel of years ago you posted a video here about soaring costs of living in Russia
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01:10 schestowitz[TR2]; in the US, similar issues
01:10 schestowitz[TR2]; they know a war can help them politically
01:10 schestowitz[TR2]; they can blame the war for the issues
01:10 XRevan86; "yea, mr Bush, I think this isn't great, I think I'll have to invade a neighbouring country in a decade because of this"
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01:10 schestowitz[TR2]; and change the subject
01:11 XRevan86; schestowitz: For the US this would be an internal affair.
01:11 schestowitz[TR2]; now putin can jail dissidents for being unpatriotics
01:11 schestowitz[TR2]; i.e. for opposing him and his needless invasion
01:11 XRevan86; For Russia this is something that sipped into Ukraine.
01:11 schestowitz[TR2]; it's also truue that the us gets involved in taiwan
01:12 schestowitz[TR2]; and takes on china
01:12 schestowitz[TR2]; it won't end well
01:12 schestowitz[TR2]; you and I just want a calm life
01:12 schestowitz[TR2]; progamming, eating, sleeping
01:12 schestowitz[TR2]; but some people near us are revolting
01:12 schestowitz[TR2]; and the regime doesn't want the revolt
01:13 XRevan86; schestowitz: Since support for PRC in Taiwan tanked in recent years, the Taiwanese must be grateful for all the help though.
01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; naaa
01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; it's close to china
01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; none of our business tbh
01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; same for HK
01:14 XRevan86; Maybe it's not the US' fight to fight.
01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; it would be devastating
01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; they use taiwan as a grudge
01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; against china
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01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; like japan asserting it wants hawaii back
01:14 schestowitz[TR2]; in 2023
01:14 XRevan86; But the US also wants stability in that region because important technology is exprted from there.
01:15 schestowitz[TR2]; remember some families are now with kids and without jobs
01:15 XRevan86; schestowitz: I don't think it's a grudge, not worth it in that sense.
01:15 schestowitz[TR2]; the us is screaming economically
01:15 schestowitz[TR2]; us can also imports from mainland china
01:15 schestowitz[TR2]; not taiwan
01:15 schestowitz[TR2]; there are corporate interests there
01:16 XRevan86; schestowitz: Naturally, it's an economical balance in which the US has vested interest in.
01:16 schestowitz[TR2]; if you think americans feel for the taiwanese, i have news for you
01:16 schestowitz[TR2]; they can barely distinguish east asians
01:16 schestowitz[TR2]; and they don't care for themt
01:16 schestowitz[TR2]; the average american doesn't care
01:16 schestowitz[TR2]; where the rice comes from etc.
01:17 XRevan86; schestowitz: I know for some countries help for Ukraine it's definitely about solidarity and being charitable, but I don't really expect that from everyone.
01:17 XRevan86; (like Poland)
01:18 TR News; Chromium bumped, more pkgs compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202302/chromium-bumped-more-pkgs-compiled-in-oe.html
01:18 TR Bot; Chromium bumped, more pkgs compiled in OE
01:18 XRevan86; When self-interest aligns with the-right-thing-to-do, that's just nice.
01:18 schestowitz[TR2]; yes, like poland
01:18 schestowitz[TR2]; hence, they give them planes
01:19 schestowitz[TR2]; the average american doesn't give a s* about ukraine
01:19 schestowitz[TR2]; or the people there
01:19 schestowitz[TR2]; they think they are also russian
01:19 schestowitz[TR2]; some ukrainians call themselves russian
01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
01:20 TR News; Debugging with Git Bisect https://buildvirtual.net/debugging-with-git-bisect/
01:20 TR Bot; Debugging with Git Bisect - buildVirtual
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01:21 psydruid; I can't believe this has to be explained
01:21 psydruid; the US only has interests and no allies
01:21 XRevan86; schestowitz: That's what films like 20 Days in Mariupol are for.
01:22 schestowitz[TR2]; look at history of u s foreign policy
01:22 schestowitz[TR2]; every country they take on they leave in disarray
01:22 schestowitz[TR2]; either they bomb it
01:22 schestowitz[TR2]; or intervene, they run away
01:22 schestowitz[TR2]; leaving it worse off
01:22 schestowitz[TR2]; *then run away
01:23 schestowitz[TR2]; at least the british leave some useful infra where they leave
01:23 schestowitz[TR2]; nairobi, singapore etc.
01:23 XRevan86; Luckily, it's not just the US here.
01:23 XRevan86; Not even just NATO.
01:24 MinceR; 05 022148 < psydruid> the US only has interests and no allies
01:24 MinceR; so what happens if another NATO member gets attacked by a non-NATO-member?
01:25 XRevan86; MinceR: Maybe what happened to Armenia when Azerbaijan attacked? :)
01:25 TR News; Probot: building a Mastodon bot https://www.r-bloggers.com/2023/02/probot-building-a-mastodon-bot/
01:25 TR Bot; building a Mastodon bot | R-bloggers
01:25 XRevan86; 'Tis not serious, just wanted to bring that up as a reminder.
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01:26 MinceR; they aren't NATO members, are they?
01:26 XRevan86; MinceR: They're members of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation
01:26 XRevan86; Which is supposed to be like NATO but Russia.
01:27 MinceR; doesn't seem very fair to try to hold NATO accountable for what CSTO does
01:27 MinceR; or to hold the USA accountable for it
01:27 TR News; "In the desert, life depends on death." https://www.sciencealert.com/a-hidden-food-web-exists-in-the-desert-and-it-thrives-on-death
01:27 TR Bot; Hidden Food Web Exists in The Desert, And It Thrives on Death : ScienceAlert
01:27 MinceR; i'm interested in the "food web" that _doesn't_ involve death
01:27 XRevan86; Err, I used it as an intentionally faulty analogy to remind how well Russia holds up its end of the deal.
01:31 TR News; Microsoft is the cause of many security incidents, but the gullible, sometimes Microsoft-sponsored, media will try to pretend Microsoft is a security expert, leveraging political sentiments to shift the blame and deflect responsibility https://www.securityweek.com/microsoft-iran-unit-behind-charlie-hebdo-hack-and-leak-p/
01:31 TR Bot; Iran Unit Behind Charlie Hebdo Hack-and-Leak Op - SecurityWeek
01:31 TR News; One Song, Many Writers https://feed.tedium.co/link/15204/15956153/why-do-modern-pop-songs-have-so-many-credited-writers
01:31 TR Bot; Why Do Modern Pop Songs Have So Many Credited Writers?
01:32 TR News; Bypassing Government Censorship Around NordVPN on Linux https://fosspost.org/bypass-censorship-nordvpn-linux/
01:32 TR Bot; Bypassing Government Censorship Around NordVPN on Linux
01:33 TR News; VPN spam is a real problem, as it even invades otherwise good sites]
01:34 TR News; Tilting at the Belltower gemini://idiomdrottning.org/tilting-at-the-belltower
01:35 TR News; "I find it hard to move past the fact that the limitation of all humans living on the same continent and no communities popping up elsewhere is, to be frank, unimplementable." gemini://station.martinrue.com/kocka_collector/3559db4ccf4d47adb6f496235ebbe2f8
01:35 TR News; Notes about an overheard conversation while driving home gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2023/02/04.1
01:36 DaemonFC; I had ChatGPT write a FOIA request to the FBI for me.
01:36 schestowitz[TR2]; and it sucked, right?
01:36 schestowitz[TR2]; quic, but..
01:36 schestowitz[TR2]; bad quality
01:37 schestowitz[TR2]; there is a new trend now:
01:37 schestowitz[TR2]; like, "assisted" by HEY HI
01:37 schestowitz[TR2]; like, generate some crap for me
01:37 schestowitz[TR2]; I will 'massage' it afterwards
01:37 schestowitz[TR2]; that's not saving tiume
01:39 TR News; Upgrading system Off-line with ISO and Yum https://linuxconcept.com/upgrading-system-off-line-with-iso-and-yum/
01:39 TR Bot; Upgrading system Off-line with ISO and Yum
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01:39 TR News; Configuring Yum https://linuxconcept.com/configuring-yum/
01:39 TR Bot; Configuring Yum
01:40 MinceR; finally we can have machine-generated technical debt
01:40 MinceR; and have humans deal with it
01:41 TR News; Yum Commands and Options https://linuxconcept.com/yum-commands-and-options/
01:41 TR Bot; Yum Commands and Options
01:41 TR News; Setting up a YUM Repository https://linuxconcept.com/setting-up-a-yum-repository/
01:41 TR Bot; Setting up a YUM Repository
01:41 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: more BS jobs
01:41 schestowitz[TR2]; btw, cnet is accused of having used SM-elizabot to make 'articles'
01:41 schestowitz[TR2]; i have cnet in my rss feeds right now
01:41 schestowitz[TR2]; it's like 100% noise
01:42 schestowitz[TR2]; "deals" and spam
01:42 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I also had it help write a thank you letter to my attorney.
01:42 schestowitz[TR2]; the site has become a spamfarm basically
01:42 DaemonFC; It's the thought that counts.
01:42 schestowitz[TR2]; even non-tech non-stories
01:42 schestowitz[TR2]; pure spam
01:42 DaemonFC; No, it did as well as I would have had I written it.
01:42 schestowitz[TR2]; just to improve ranks in search engines for particular crap
01:42 schestowitz[TR2]; one step away from "casino" articles
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01:43 schestowitz[TR2]; <DaemonFC> schestowitz[TR2], I also had it help write a thank you letter to my attorney.
01:43 schestowitz[TR2]; you could use a template
01:43 schestowitz[TR2]; "how to write a letter thanking an attorney"
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01:43 schestowitz[TR2]; then click an actual link to an actual site
01:43 schestowitz[TR2]; https://holidappy.com/greeting-cards/Thank-You-Note-to-Attorney-for-Services-Rendered
01:43 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://holidappy.com/greeting-cards/Thank-You-Note-to-Attorney-for-Services-Rendered )
01:44 schestowitz[TR2]; https://inkforall.com/ai-writing-tools/thank-you-email/thank-you-letter-to-the-lawyer/
01:44 TR Bot; How to Write Thank You Letter to Lawyer or Attorney - INK
01:44 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.sgplaw.com/blog/2020/september/thank-you-letter-to-your-attorney-samples-from-c/
01:44 TR Bot; Thank You Letter To Your Attorney (Samples from Client)
01:44 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.pinterest.com/pin/235876099213847524/
01:44 TR Bot; How to Write a Thank-You Letter to a Lawyer | Thank you letter, Thank you notes, Thank you
01:44 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.mailtoself.com/thank-you/thank-you-letter-to-lawyer/
01:44 TR Bot; Thank You Letter To Lawyer: How To, Templates & Examples | Mail To Self
01:44 schestowitz[TR2]; "Templates & Examples"
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01:45 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: you're becoming a bing commercial
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01:45 DaemonFC; It's sort of like dictating a letter to a secretary.
01:46 DaemonFC; Going over the highlights and letting them fill it in.
01:47 TR News; REVIEW: The Psychology of Totalitarianism https://off-guardian.org/2023/02/04/review-the-psychology-of-totalitarianism/
01:47 TR Bot; REVIEW: The Psychology of Totalitarianism OffGuardian
01:47 TR News; Unconditional Surrender https://off-guardian.org/2023/02/04/unconditional-surrender/
01:47 TR Bot; Unconditional Surrender OffGuardian
01:47 schestowitz[TR2]; "It's sort of like dictating a letter to a secretary."
01:48 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe elizabot
01:48 schestowitz[TR2]; not a witty worker
01:48 schestowitz[TR2]; you could just pickm a template written by a real person
01:49 TR News; "Similarly to all electronic computers, the Raspberry PI computer boards need a stable power supply in order to work correctly." https://peppe8o.com/raspberry-pi-undervoltage-detected/
01:49 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://peppe8o.com/raspberry-pi-undervoltage-detected/ )
01:50 TR News; C.J. Adams-Collier: IPv6 with CenturyLink Fiber https://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=1844
01:50 TR Bot; IPv6 with CenturyLink Fiber The Pdantic Programmer
01:51 TR News; Jonathan Dowland: FreedomBox https://jmtd.net/log/freedombox/
01:51 TR Bot; jmtd log FreedomBox
01:53 TR News; Alex Vincent: Introducing Motherhen: Gecko-based applications from scratch https://alexvincent.us/blog/?p=973
01:53 TR Bot; Introducing Motherhen: Gecko-based applications from scratch | Burning Chrome
01:53 TR News; David Teller: About Safety, Security and yes, C++ and Rust https://yoric.github.io/post/safety-and-security/
01:53 TR Bot; About Safety, Security and yes, C++ and Rust
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01:54 TR News; The USDA Can't Stop Organic Food Fraud https://reason.com/2023/02/04/the-usda-cant-stop-organic-food-fraud/
01:54 TR Bot; USDA's Organic Food Fraud Crackdown Will Likely Make Things Worse
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01:57 TR News; SiliconANGLE is spreading Microsoft talking points and outright spam. SiliconANGLE also bags bribes from them, hence it relays this kind of nonsense. https://siliconangle.com/2023/02/04/ai-threats-open-source-vulnerabilities-top-host-security-issues-facing-cloud-native-community/
01:57 TR Bot; threats and open-source vulnerabilities top host of security issues facing cloud-native community - SiliconANGLE
01:57 TR News; Clown computing is a a bubble that us bursting https://siliconangle.com/2023/02/04/cloud-players-sound-cautious-tone-2023/
01:57 TR Bot; players sound a cautious tone for 2023 - SiliconANGLE
01:58 DaemonFC; I'll be off soaking my toe for a while.
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
01:59 TR News; HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI Some Microsoft name-dropping HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI. 'Journalism' in 2023. Lots of HEY HI HEY HI spam in January. Even February maintains some SPAM budget for the HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI PR machine.
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02:00 TR News; What is a Orphan Process in Unix/Linux https://tecadmin.net/orphan-process-in-linux/
02:00 TR Bot; What is a Orphan Process in Unix/Linux TecAdmin
02:00 TR News; tail Command in Linux with Examples https://tecadmin.net/tail-command-in-linux/
02:00 TR Bot; tail Command in Linux with Examples TecAdmin
02:01 TR News; Install Minikube on Ubuntu Linux for Easy Kubernetes Development https://thenewstack.io/install-minikube-on-ubuntu-linux-for-easy-kubernetes-development/
02:01 TR Bot; Install Minikube on Ubuntu Linux for Easy Kubernetes Development - The New Stack
02:02 TR News; Frequentism And False Dichotomies https://two-wrongs.com/frequentism-and-false-dichotomies
02:02 TR Bot; Frequentism And False Dichotomies
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02:03 TR News; The Death Penalty Doesnt Reflect Our National Values. Why is the Biden Administration Still Pursuing It? https://www.aclu.org/news/capital-punishment/the-death-penalty-doesnt-reflect-our-national-values-why-is-the-biden-administration-still-pursuing-it
02:03 TR Bot; The Death Penalty Doesnt Reflect Our National Values. Why is the Biden Administration Still Pursuing It? | News & Commentary | American Civil Liberties Union
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02:05 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/tottenham-vs-man-city-livestream-how-to-watch-premier-league-soccer-from-anywhere/
02:05 TR Bot; vs. Man City Livestream: How to Watch Premier League Soccer From Anywhere - CNET
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02:05 schestowitz[TR2]; example of cnet spam
02:05 schestowitz[TR2]; they target people who will search for it sunday
02:05 schestowitz[TR2]; and act as a reseller of access
02:05 schestowitz[TR2]; cnet is basically a spam site now
02:06 schestowitz[TR2]; a spamfarm
02:06 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.cnet.com/rss/all/
02:06 schestowitz[TR2]; survey the list
02:06 schestowitz[TR2]; it's like 90% spam
02:06 schestowitz[TR2]; they USED to employ ACTUAL journalists
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02:08 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.databreaches.net/the-fbi-tried-in-vain-the-russian-case-against-revil-turned-out-to-be-insignificant/
02:08 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.databreaches.net/the-fbi-tried-in-vain-the-russian-case-against-revil-turned-out-to-be-insignificant/ )
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02:11 TR News; Courts Must Not Allow Litigants to Plead Around The First Amendments Speech Protections https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/02/courts-must-not-allow-litigants-plead-around-first-amendments-speech-protections
02:11 TR Bot; Courts Must Not Allow Litigants to Plead Around The First Amendments Speech Protections | Electronic Frontier Foundation
02:12 TR News; Pakistan blocks Wikipedia over 'sacrilegious' content https://www.engadget.com/pakistan-blocks-wikipedia-sacrilegious-content-151427009.html
02:12 TR Bot; blocks Wikipedia over 'sacrilegious' content | Engadget
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02:13 TR News; Converting MKV to MP4 on Ubuntu: A Step-by-Step Guide https://www.fosslinux.com/97880/converting-mkv-to-mp4-on-ubuntu.htm
02:13 TR Bot; Converting MKV to MP4 on Ubuntu: A Step-by-Step Guide
02:16 TR News; Hong Kongs largest national security trial to begin Monday as 47 democrats face up to life behind bars https://hongkongfp.com/2023/02/05/hong-kongs-largest-national-security-trial-to-begin-monday-as-47-democrats-face-up-to-life-behind-bars/
02:16 TR Bot; Hong Kong's largest national security trial to begin Monday as 47 democrats face up to life behind bars - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
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02:17 TR News; India police identify over 4000 child bride marriages in Assam state, leading to arrests of over 1800 men https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/02/police-identify-over-4000-cases-of-child-brides-in-indian-state-of-assam-and-arrest-over-1800-men-in-response/
02:17 TR Bot; India police identify over 4000 child bride marriages in Assam state, leading to arrests of over 1800 men - JURIST - News
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02:19 TR News; many of these are proprietary s https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-cross-platform-text-editors-for-programmers/
02:19 TR Bot; 10 of the Best Cross-Platform Plain Text Editors for Programmers - Make Tech Easier
02:19 TR News; PwC and the Robodebt Royal Commission. Whats the scam? https://michaelwest.com.au/pwc-and-the-robodebt-royal-commission-whats-the-scam/
02:19 TR Bot; PwC and the Robodebt Royal Commission. What's the scam? - Michael West
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02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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02:35 TR News; (NEW): Security and FUD http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Security_and_FUD.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Security_and_FUD.gmi
02:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security and FUD
02:35 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/today_s_howtos.gmi
02:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
02:36 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: will diaspora still export to twitter after feb 14th?
02:36 schestowitz[TR2]; what about fediverse?
02:36 schestowitz[TR2]; are they reliant on the API being shut down by then
02:36 schestowitz[TR2]; in 2018 they ulled some more APIs
02:36 schestowitz[TR2]; *Called
02:37 schestowitz[TR2]; but that impacted other services and third parties
02:37 schestowitz[TR2]; *culled in august 2018, iirc
02:39 TR News; Andrew Lon Musk: killing Freenode and Twitter in a matter of months. To "own the libs".
02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-040223.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-040223.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-040223.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-040223.txt
02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, February 04, 2023
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02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, February 04, 2023
02:40 TR News; Links 04/02/2023: FOSDEM Happening and Ken Thompson in SoCal Linux Expo | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/02/04/ken-thompson-in-socal-linux-expo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/02/04/ken-thompson-in-socal-linux-expo/
02:40 TR Bot; Links 04/02/2023: FOSDEM Happening and Ken Thompson in SoCal Linux Expo | Techrights
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02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, February 04, 2023
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02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, February 04, 2023
02:45 TR News; U.S. Weighs Sanctions For Chinese Companies Over Iran Surveillance Buildup https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-us-sanctions-tiandy-china/32255543.html
02:45 TR Bot; U.S. Weighs Sanctions For Chinese Companies Over Iran Surveillance Buildup
02:45 TR News; Pakistan Blocks Wikipedia Over 'Blasphemous Content' https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-ban-wikipedia-blasphemy-/32255510.html
02:45 TR Bot; Pakistan Blocks Wikipedia Over 'Blasphemous Content'
02:48 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2023-02-04.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2023-02-04.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:49 XRevan86; schestowitz: I don't know, quite possibly.
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; do you know who to check with?
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; see, here's the thing
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; many sites outside twitterm send copies to twitter
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; if that steps, the ramifications will be rather big
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; do those count as "Bots"
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; will twitter block api access
02:50 schestowitz[TR2]; do they need to license a paid bridge?
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02:54 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: twitter is ocver
02:54 schestowitz[TR2]; point of no return
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02:54 schestowitz[TR2]; it won't be gaining or retaining
02:54 schestowitz[TR2]; so perpetual decline
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02:55 schestowitz[TR2]; where you set threshold determines where it's dead or when it 'dies'
02:55 schestowitz[TR2]; myspace never died per se
02:55 schestowitz[TR2]; but below some level it might as well be
02:55 XRevan86; schestowitz: I'll check later what the situation is.
02:55 schestowitz[TR2]; same as freenod
02:55 schestowitz[TR2]; afaik, nothing goes on at freenode
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02:55 schestowitz[TR2]; it's just a waste of electricity at this point
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02:56 schestowitz[TR2]; 10k node pinging one anopther
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02:56 schestowitz[TR2]; but no actual use made of it
02:56 schestowitz[TR2]; *nodes
02:56 schestowitz[TR2]; if they shut ddown the hive, not much will change
02:58 TR News; Investigative reporting is dead. All "the news" is pretty much the same, mostly war and gossip, cushioned by minor local news incidents, PR, spam, and shopping disguised as "news".
02:59 XRevan86; Elon Musk came in with freezepeach in rhetoric, so what he do almost immediately? Shut down API.
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
02:59 XRevan86; And he also banned his critics too of course.
02:59 TR News; Facebook incentiving bad behaviour www.usnews.com/news/best-states/minnesota/articles/2023-02-04/charges-instagram-post-shows-teens-flashing-guns-in-school
03:00 schestowitz[TR2]; incentivising
03:00 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: even before, he was against freee speech in twitter
03:00 schestowitz[TR2]; and people took note of major incidents like these
03:00 schestowitz[TR2]; insisting he would not tolerate critics
03:00 schestowitz[TR2]; or even satire
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03:03 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.
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03:06 TR News; (NEW): Oracle, Rocky Linux, and Red Hat http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Oracle_Rocky_Linux_and_Red_Hat.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Oracle_Rocky_Linux_and_Red_Hat.gmi
03:06 TR Bot; Tux Machines Oracle, Rocky Linux, and Red Hat
03:06 TR News; Twitter will collapse completely. Far sooner than people could imagine a year ago.
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03:07 TR News; YouTube already suffers a major decline -- one that Google is unable to hide or spin anymore. Facebook is now embezzling (buybacks) because the only way is down.
03:07 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/?p=1914894
03:07 TR Bot; Samsung Pro SSD reliability questioned as longtime partner shifts to Sabrent | Ars Technica
03:08 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/?p=1915026
03:08 TR Bot; SEC gets $35 million settlement in Activision misconduct disclosure case | Ars Technica
03:08 TR News; Don't wait for YouTube to collapse completely. Don't wait for Twitter to collapse completely. Don't wait for FB to collapse completely. Heed the warning. See the inevitable. Leave today. Move on.
03:08 schestowitz[TR2]; AdmFubar: my samsung SSD died 10 days ago
03:08 schestowitz[TR2]; i lost some data, but not much
03:09 schestowitz[TR2]; mostly meme template and soem recent script changes
03:09 XRevan86; schestowitz: Which model?
03:09 schestowitz[TR2]; cannot recall
03:09 schestowitz[TR2]; some number
03:09 TR News; (NEW): Free Software: SCALE, Open Source Initiative, FreedomBox http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Free_Software_SCALE_Open_Source_Initiative_FreedomBox.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Free_Software_SCALE_Open_Source_Initiative_FreedomBox.gmi
03:09 TR Bot; Tux Machines Free Software: SCALE, Open Source Initiative, FreedomBox
03:09 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
03:09 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
03:09 schestowitz[TR2]; at least I took advantage and moved to Debian 11
03:09 schestowitz[TR2]; it was 10 before
03:09 schestowitz[TR2]; rianne still uses 10 on her laptgop
03:10 schestowitz[TR2]; 11 on her pi
03:10 TR News; (NEW): Devices: Raspberry Pi, CircuitPython, and MicroBlocks http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Devices_Raspberry_Pi_CircuitPython_and_MicroBlocks.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Devices_Raspberry_Pi_CircuitPython_and_MicroBlocks.gmi
03:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines Devices: Raspberry Pi, CircuitPython, and MicroBlocks
03:10 XRevan86; schestowitz: Some number as a model? That narrows it down (:
03:10 schestowitz[TR2]; yesterday night I tied some loose ends
03:10 schestowitz[TR2]; it's OK, Debian 11 works OK, but some things seem slower than 10
03:10 schestowitz[TR2]; SSDs are not reliable, but i/o is FAST
03:11 schestowitz[TR2]; i brought in the used one
03:11 schestowitz[TR2]; in front of me
03:11 schestowitz[TR2]; lots of numbes there
03:11 schestowitz[TR2]; which one is the model
03:12 schestowitz[TR2]; one says "MODEL: MZ-VLW2560"
03:12 XRevan86; I have EVO 960.
03:13 schestowitz[TR2]; so it didn't even last 5 years!
03:13 schestowitz[TR2]; after 4 it started warning me
03:13 schestowitz[TR2]; so I moved as critical data off this drive
03:14 schestowitz[TR2]; samsung: the south korean military giant with north korean marketing
03:14 XRevan86; PM961
03:15 schestowitz[TR2]; the replacemement i bought was crosair
03:15 XRevan86; M.2, heh. I've an old SATA one.
03:15 schestowitz[TR2]; the guy at the shop said
03:15 schestowitz[TR2]; I told him,
03:15 schestowitz[TR2]; but they don't make storage
03:15 schestowitz[TR2]; he said, ok, it's toshiba
03:15 schestowitz[TR2]; rebranded
03:15 schestowitz[TR2]; like ibm and hitachi
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03:16 schestowitz[TR2]; i hope this laptop will last the next 5 years
03:18 schestowitz[TR2]; i need thius quad-core machine for video processing mostly
03:18 schestowitz[TR2]; it's idle the rest of the time
03:18 schestowitz[TR2]; just command line windows and text editors
03:18 schestowitz[TR2]; the other machines are even weaker
03:18 schestowitz[TR2]; and also lots of cli, irc clients, some browsers like netsurf, gemini clients
03:19 XRevan86; EVO 860 I mean.
03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
03:20 XRevan86; schestowitz: Yours was from 2016
03:20 schestowitz[TR2]; the raspi4 machines (2 of themn) are about as powerful as the laptops
03:20 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: the laptop is
03:21 schestowitz[TR2]; but somehow the sticker on the drive says 2018
03:21 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe something about warranty
03:21 schestowitz[TR2]; not sure
03:21 schestowitz[TR2]; i got this laptop second hand
03:21 schestowitz[TR2]; "preowned"
03:21 schestowitz[TR2]; we always try to get them at bargain prices
03:21 schestowitz[TR2]; and sometimes we get lucky and tthey don't beak down
03:21 schestowitz[TR2]; my monitor cost 20 or 29pounds
03:22 schestowitz[TR2]; 24 inches
03:23 MinceR; pre-pwned :>
03:24 TR News; CNET used to employ some actual journalists, smart people. Now it's a spamfarm. Probably reckoned it's better than to shut the thing down... to try to 'monetise' what's left of DOWNLOAD.COM franchise from the 1990s.
03:24 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: it had windows when I got it, wiped right away
03:24 schestowitz[TR2]; same for rianne's
03:24 MinceR; :>
03:24 schestowitz[TR2]; I even used her debian cd-rom for that
03:24 schestowitz[TR2]; she installed it
03:25 schestowitz[TR2]; so it was technically prepwned
03:25 MinceR; so you replaced windows with imitation windows :>
03:25 schestowitz[TR2]; even booted into it once
03:25 schestowitz[TR2]; so microsoft saw the ip address
03:25 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: gay de ee
03:25 MinceR; system dee
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03:26 schestowitz[TR2]; agentsmith calls it systemduick
03:26 MinceR; agentsmith :>
03:26 schestowitz[TR2]; alejandro escobar
03:26 schestowitz[TR2]; he was here in irc in the distant past
03:28 TR News; pclos Screenshot Showcase https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202302/page12.html
03:28 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 12
03:30 TR News; pclosmag has become a lot about the editor's family, not pclos https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202302/editorial.html
03:30 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Welcome From The Chief Editor
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03:31 TR News; "Last month it was LastPass, and the dust has hardly even started to settle from that data breach. Now, it's someone else's turn." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202302/page06.html
03:31 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 6
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03:35 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], So something went weird with my Casio.
03:35 DaemonFC; It stopped doing atomic time and managed to drift a bit.
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03:36 AdmFubar; battery powered????
03:36 DaemonFC; Can't get it to lock onto the signal, so I just adjusted the time manually and pressed in the crown when the clock on my computer said 9:36.
03:36 DaemonFC; Yeah.
03:36 DaemonFC; Solar.
03:36 TR News; Repo Review: Koodo Reader https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202302/page04.html
03:36 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 4
03:36 DaemonFC; It's charged enough that it should be able to use atomic time.
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03:37 TR News; Repo Review: SSVNC-Viewer https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202302/page07.html
03:37 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 7
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03:40 DaemonFC; ChatGPT suggested forcing a sync betwen 2-6 AM.
03:41 DaemonFC; Ionospheric conditions and radio interference should be as good as they'll get for this.
03:41 TR News; (NEW): Exploring LXQt: A Basic Guide, Part 1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Exploring_LXQt_A_Basic_Guide_Part_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Exploring_LXQt_A_Basic_Guide_Part_1.gmi
03:41 TR Bot; Tux Machines Exploring LXQt: A Basic Guide, Part 1
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03:42 DaemonFC; I guess if nothing else works I can go up to the bar at the Hancock Building and stand by a window.
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03:43 DaemonFC; I soaked my toe in an epsom salt bath then showered.
03:43 DaemonFC; The numbing agent is wearing off.
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03:43 DaemonFC; The nail doesn't look as bad as I thought it would.
03:43 schestowitz[TR2]; ok, whatever
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03:43 schestowitz[TR2]; toe tales
03:44 schestowitz[TR2]; tall tales, toe tales
03:44 DaemonFC; The podiatrist says that it usually gets to looking pretty red and puffy for a while and he had a woman run to the Urgent Care and then they were doing stuff to her toe in the ER and it just ran up a lot of unnecessary medical bills for her.
03:44 schestowitz[TR2]; fine, not b ack to tech
03:44 schestowitz[TR2]; you keep publishing medical info abour yourself in this logged channel
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03:44 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Apparently, podiatrists seem to be noticing more ingrown toenails in people who had COVID.
03:45 DaemonFC; I'm trying to figure out if this is a thing or not.
03:45 DaemonFC; I don't really care if GULAGtroll knows about my toe.
03:45 DaemonFC; It's a very common condition.
03:45 DaemonFC; Easily fixed.
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03:46 schestowitz[TR2]; i hear a lot of cancer
03:46 schestowitz[TR2]; among women
03:46 schestowitz[TR2]; 3 close to me
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; women who got cancer
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03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; i hear many men have heart issues
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; but not close to me
03:47 DaemonFC; I'm going in for my next Pneumonia vaccine tomorrow.
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; our regime and billBC now dsays,
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; last chance for under 52s to get "booster"
03:47 DaemonFC; Got my choice between Prevnar-20 or Pneumovax-23.
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; they change the guidance
03:47 DaemonFC; So Prevnar is Pfizer.
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; no more boosters for under 50sm
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; they must have noticed the risk outweights baneit
03:48 schestowitz[TR2]; *benefoits
03:48 DaemonFC; I got Prevnar-13 last year. But it's been in use since 2010.
03:48 DaemonFC; The safety profile is well known.
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03:48 DaemonFC; Just because Prevnar-20 is similar doesn't mean it's going to be every bit as safe as the previous shot.
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03:50 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> no more boosters for under 50sm
03:50 DaemonFC; I'm done with the COVID vaccines.
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03:51 DaemonFC; I got the fourth shot, updated one, they said it'll protect you. I ended up with a very bad case of COVID right at the projected peak of immunity.
03:51 DaemonFC; Exectly 6 weeks in!
03:51 schestowitz[TR2]; but it was "mild"
03:51 DaemonFC; It's probably better to just ask for a bottle of Molnupiravir if I get it again than taking all these weird shots that didn't help either of it much.
03:51 schestowitz[TR2]; and "low risk"
03:51 DaemonFC; *us
03:52 AdmFubar; https://slashdot.org/story/23/02/04/1820204/ai-models-spit-out-photos-of-real-people-and-copyrighted-images
03:52 TR Bot; AI Models Spit Out Photos of Real People and Copyrighted Images - Slashdot
03:52 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: now you can go back to the office
03:52 schestowitz[TR2]; i.e. your cubicle and mixed chair
03:52 schestowitz[TR2]; hot-desking
03:52 schestowitz[TR2]; AdmFubar: HI!! HEY. Hi.
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03:52 schestowitz[TR2]; it looks so real
03:52 schestowitz[TR2]; CG
03:52 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe it is real.
03:54 AdmFubar; is it live? or I it memorex?
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03:54 AdmFubar; https://slashdot.org/story/23/02/04/0443239/bitcoins-2023-price-rise-very-suspicious-says-manipulation-researcher
03:54 TR Bot; Bitcoin's 2023 Price Rise 'Very Suspicious', Says Manipulation Researcher - Slashdot
03:55 MinceR; am i dreaming? or is this death?
03:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], The FBI put GirlsDoPorn Rapist on Ten Most Wanted.
03:55 DaemonFC; https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/michael-james-pratt
03:55 TR Bot; MICHAEL JAMES PRATT FBI
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03:55 DaemonFC; He got in the same way as GULAGTROLL.
03:55 DaemonFC; Flash bank account, get in there!
03:55 DaemonFC; They got him too.
03:55 DaemonFC; They captured him.
03:56 AdmFubar; you're dreaming that this is death....
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03:56 DaemonFC; "The owner and operator of a pornography production company is charged with sex trafficking and production of child pornography."
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03:56 DaemonFC; AdmFubar, Is this Heaven? "No. It's not Heaven." Is this Hell? "No it's not Hell either, though I hear California is getting close."
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03:57 AdmFubar; but of course they don't give a rat's ass about it! https://science.slashdot.org/story/23/02/04/0149213/blobs-of-human-brain-planted-in-rats-offer-new-treatment-hope
03:57 TR Bot; Blobs of Human Brain Planted In Rats Offer New Treatment Hope - Slashdot
03:58 DaemonFC; https://www.thedailybeast.com/girlsdoporn-fugitive-michael-james-pratt-arrested-in-spain
03:58 TR Bot; GirlsDoPorn Fugitive Michael James Pratt Arrested in Spain
03:58 AdmFubar; https://science.slashdot.org/story/23/02/03/181242/vaccine-makers-kept-14-billion-in-prepayments-for-canceled-covid-shots-for-the-worlds-poor
03:58 TR Bot; Vaccine Makers Kept $1.4 Billion in Prepayments for Canceled Covid Shots for the World's Poor - Slashdot
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03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
03:59 AdmFubar; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/billionaire-calls-sri-lanka-corrupt-then-offers-bitcoin-fix
03:59 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
04:01 AdmFubar; and you thought most sales people were bad now.... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-02/microsoft-uses-chatgpt-maker-s-ai-to-write-emails-for-busy-salespeople
04:01 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
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04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; did dina bass write it?
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; i am guessing
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; did not click
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; more puff pieces for microsoft
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; try now
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; everyone talks about it
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; you MUST download it
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; and try it
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04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; new theme of puff pieceS:
04:02 schestowitz[TR2]; judge used it
04:03 schestowitz[TR2]; microsoft uses it
04:03 schestowitz[TR2]; lawyers use it
04:03 schestowitz[TR2]; (they don't)
04:03 schestowitz[TR2]; to make it seem more potent than it actually is
04:03 schestowitz[TR2]; and get you to try it
04:03 schestowitz[TR2]; like DaemonFC did
04:03 *schestowitz[TR2] customising kate
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04:03 AdmFubar; no need to click the link... the headline is enough
04:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I used it to help me draft a response and counterclaim to a small claims lawsuit that was filed against my cousin's friend.
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04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; <AdmFubar> no need to click the link... the headline is enough
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; i say the opposite
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; many headlines can be misleading
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; and not even match the body
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; as there is a business model like that
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; "you will never guess what wisconsin just did"
04:06 AdmFubar; https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=23/02/03/0228247
04:06 TR Bot; CNET Pushed Reporters to be More Favorable to Advertisers, Staffers Say - SoylentNews
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; and if it's dina bass, you know it is lioterally a microsoft agent/mole inside bloomberg
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; i.e. not journalism at all
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; but embedded spam
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; AdmFubar: don't they all :-)
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04:07 DaemonFC; I'm accusing him of violating Indiana Rule of Trial Procedure 5. There's a lot of "Defendent has no knowledge of this and denies same.". Then I'm counter-claiming that if damages are awarded, he forgot to give her credit for the security deposit at her apartment, and if they are not awarded, the court should order him to give it back and pay the filing fee.
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; i used to write for datamation
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; 2007/2008
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; they kept removing my text that was critical of microsoft
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; with excuses
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; like, cannot prove etc.
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; even when you can prove it
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; verifiable
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; turned out, msft was an advertiser
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; so microsoft in effect bribes publishers for bias
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; for self-censorship
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; like famous criminal bill gates does all the time
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; even paidsirius
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; UNDER NDA!
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; we still try to decipher what that was all about
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04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; but been years and under secrecy... so maybe we'll never know
04:08 DaemonFC; I also argue that this lawsuit is in the incorrect venue even if it complies with Trial Rule 5 because the defendant and plaintiff both agree that she left the apartment on October 29th and the landlord was in possession of the keys the next day, so it should not be filed as an eviction by the landlord's own admission.
04:09 DaemonFC; Then there's a big counterclaim for "What about where all my stuff went?".
04:09 DaemonFC; This guy's head is going to spin when I'm finished with him.
04:09 AdmFubar; I bet it will be crypto backed too!!! or is it creepo?? https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/elon-musk-wants-to-turn-twitter-into-a-payment-app-to-rival-paypal/news-story/2f67d863fcebbc4f63fb1fa195e7c182
04:09 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/elon-musk-wants-to-turn-twitter-into-a-payment-app-to-rival-paypal/news-story/2f67d863fcebbc4f63fb1fa195e7c182 )
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04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; AdmFubar: too late
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; and...
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; remember andrew lee?
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; with his freenode plan
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; to give "crypto" to users?
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; musk turns away users
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; and by the time he does his "next step" there won't be much left
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; the media will also ridicule him, as it's among the casualties
04:12 schestowitz[TR2]; many publishers invested in twitter presence
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04:12 schestowitz[TR2]; even bought fake "followers"
04:13 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Literally no part of my immigration status was based on my income?
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04:13 DaemonFC; They don't bother high income people too much.
04:13 DaemonFC; Just "Shithole Country" people that are trying to get away from the drones.
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04:15 mjg59_; That sounds like you're saying I didn't need to flash my bank account
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04:16 AdmFubar; careful what you flash you can get arrested for it
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04:18 DaemonFC; https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-cops-caught-on-video-attacking-man-in-holding-cell-each-have-long-records-of-alleged-misconduct
04:18 TR Bot; Chicago cops caught on video attacking man in holding cell each have long records of alleged misconduct
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04:19 mjg59_; You're as bad as Roy at changing the subject when someone points out you're making shit up
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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04:22 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: are you being racist again?
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04:30 AdmFubar; time to cuddle the with a kitty. she is jumping on my lap repeatedly. laters all
04:34 schestowitz[TR2]; 0/
04:37 schestowitz[TR2]; wow, turns out the phones we got throown in 'for free' retail at 60 pounds each https://www.amazon.co.uk/Essential-Digital-Phone-Calling-Works/dp/B08MZ383CG
04:37 TR Bot; Essential Digital Home Phone with HD Calling, Works Only With BT Smart Hub 2: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo
04:37 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.bt.com/help/user-guides/phones/digital-voice/essential-digital-home-phone
04:37 TR Bot; Essential Digital Home Phone | BT Help
04:37 schestowitz[TR2]; they also do alarm with snooze
04:38 schestowitz[TR2]; I started using that
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04:47 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: I don't believe I'm being racist, but there could well be something I missed
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
04:59 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Doesn't need to burn down the Walmart to get a TV.
04:59 DaemonFC; mjg59_ can afford all the TVs he'll ever want.
04:59 DaemonFC; How could mjg59_ possibly be racist?
04:59 DaemonFC; Be nice to mjg59_
05:01 DaemonFC; Sleep on the couch in mjg59_'s $3 million house.
05:02 DaemonFC; Ahh, classic G&N, from when they were decent.
05:02 DaemonFC; Someone went to federal prison for six months for releasing Chinese Democracy. Trouble is, it wasn't them.
05:02 schestowitz[TR2]; hmm.. seems that some very old song collection of mine suffer bit flipping
05:02 schestowitz[TR2]; I put them on 3 separate physical drives
05:02 schestowitz[TR2]; but who the heck knows how to merge what
05:03 schestowitz[TR2]; raid has another issue
05:03 schestowitz[TR2]; all copies in pnh physical device
05:03 schestowitz[TR2]; *one
05:03 schestowitz[TR2]; overly complex file systems bring their own issues
05:04 schestowitz[TR2]; and who knows if any OS will support them in 20 years
05:04 DaemonFC; Err, G&R
05:04 schestowitz[TR2]; we still cannot make drives that last as long as backup tapes
05:04 DaemonFC; That was the worst album ever.
05:04 schestowitz[TR2]; but hey
05:04 schestowitz[TR2]; we have "APPS!!!"
05:04 DaemonFC; I think they just released it to send someone to prison.
05:05 DaemonFC; They were doing bad on the copyright lawsuits, and they tried to send this guy to prison for leaking it early and the court was skeptical the album would ever be released because it was stuck in development Hell for 30 years.
05:05 DaemonFC; So they Duke Nukem Forever'd it.
05:06 TR News; North Korean YouTubers? https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/04/asia/north-korea-youtuber-yumi-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
05:06 TR Bot; Korea is trying a new propaganda strategy: YouTube influencers | CNN
05:07 TR News; "New Hampshire approached minus 110 degree" https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/nyregion/cold-weather-wind-chill-northeast.html
05:07 TR Bot; At Least 1 Dead After Frigid Cold and Wind Chills Batter Northeast U.S. - The New York Times
05:07 schestowitz[TR2]; only -110?
05:09 TR News; Netflix accidentally revealed its blueprint to stop password sharing https://qz.com/netflix-stop-password-sharing-rules-1850069366
05:09 TR Bot; How is Netflix going to stop password sharing?
05:09 DaemonFC; Must be that heatwave from global warming.
05:09 DaemonFC; California's ongoing excuse for being too stupid and corrupt to manage water.
05:09 DaemonFC; Hi mjg59_ !
05:11 TR News; Astronomers Studied More Than 5,000 Black Holes to Figure Out Why They Twinkle https://www.sciencealert.com/astronomers-studied-more-than-5000-black-holes-to-figure-out-why-they-twinkle
05:12 TR Bot; Studied More Than 5,000 Black Holes to Figure Out Why They Twinkle : ScienceAlert
05:16 DaemonFC; https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/03/google-best-yet-to-come-ai-journey-faces-potential-disruption-openai-chatgpt/
05:16 TR Bot; tries to reassure investors on AI progress as ChatGPT breathes down its neck TechCrunch
05:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Google will probably make something that works better than ChatGPT.
05:17 DaemonFC; OpenAI admits that they dumped GPT-3.5 out to say they had something.
05:18 DaemonFC; If Google starts dumping money in it, it'll probably eventually mostly work right. Microsoft is buying a $10 billion dollar turd that was started by Elon Musk and a few others.
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
05:24 schestowitz[TR2]; Gulag is just catching up with PR spam
05:24 schestowitz[TR2]; Gulag doesn't need this
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; nor does baidui
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; it's microsoft using media moles
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; to claim something about "being ahead"
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; and Gulag could just say, "it is garbage"
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; TechCrunch is posting spam for microsoft
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; it's not like "ChatGPT breathes down its neck"
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a loaded headline
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; a
05:25 DaemonFC; Microsoft's wasting money buying something that won't help it.
05:25 schestowitz[TR2]; and BS
05:25 DaemonFC; A lot of money!
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; they fired lots of bing workers
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; bing would die
05:26 DaemonFC; They _claim_ they have $100 billion in cash equivalent, so $10 billion would be 10% of this.
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; they have one more go at it
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; losing money
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; DDG is falling
05:26 DaemonFC; For something they'll be hard pressed to fix and/or monetize.
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; perople realise it's not privacuy
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; so that plan failed
05:26 DaemonFC; So they'll never break even on ChatGPT.
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; Gabe admitted he had signed an NDA with Microsoft
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; and that he lets Microsoft controlm DDG
05:26 DaemonFC; In reality they probably have less cash.
05:26 *Now talking on #techrights
05:26 DaemonFC; So $10 billion makes this an even bigger WTF.
05:26 schestowitz[TR2]; who wrote that TechCrunch BS?
05:27 DaemonFC; Is someone going crazy in there?
05:27 schestowitz[TR2]; the former Microsoft staffg, Microsoft Zaqck?
05:27 schestowitz[TR2]; Aisha Malik
05:27 DaemonFC; Even mjg59_ talked about ChatGPT being full of authoritative-sounding incorrect errors.
05:27 schestowitz[TR2]; never heard that name
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05:27 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe garden variety microsoft spammer
05:27 DaemonFC; Led him down a rabbit hole and wasted his time.
05:27 schestowitz[TR2]; i saw similar spam in engadget yesterday
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; all this "OH NO@ GOOGLE IS BEHIND!!"
05:28 DaemonFC; They're really not.
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05:28 DaemonFC; Microsoft can't even make a general purpose search engine that works well.
05:28 DaemonFC; ChatGPT won't improve that.
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; bing is dead/dying
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; no prospects
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; no gains
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; staff now LAID opff
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; they need SOMETHING
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; to share investors
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; azure = MORE layoffs
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; their clown story is failing
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; no clown
05:28 schestowitz[TR2]; even the rival admit clown is cooling down
05:29 schestowitz[TR2]; not much interest
05:29 DaemonFC; After nearly a decade of Microsoft monetizing child pornography by having Bing return tons of it next to their ads.
05:29 schestowitz[TR2]; companies got tired overpayting for a >VPS
05:29 DaemonFC; They only stopped it because it was starting to be reported.
05:29 schestowitz[TR2]; and now Gates runs some charm offensive with media he bribes
05:29 schestowitz[TR2]; that might not end well
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05:29 schestowitz[TR2]; as people bring up again what he REALLY is
05:29 DaemonFC; Then they got off by saying "oops" and just kept all of the profits.
05:29 schestowitz[TR2]; he might be better eoff vanishing
05:29 schestowitz[TR2]; until he is dead
05:30 schestowitz[TR2]; showing himself in public risks arrest
05:30 schestowitz[TR2]; OJ Simpson vanished
05:30 schestowitz[TR2]; no interest in public visibility/high profile
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05:30 DaemonFC; Yeah, well, he lost the wrongful death lawsuit, so there went his money.
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; so I checked 4 different copies i have of the same mp4
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; mp3
05:31 DaemonFC; He wrote a whole book where he basically confessed to the murder to pay off the lawsuit.
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; on three physical drives
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; all the same hash/checksum
05:31 DaemonFC; Then he got arrested again.
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; so maybe the data loss goes a long way back
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; 10+ years
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; 3 drives, 4 copies
05:31 DaemonFC; You'd think after winning a murder trial after leaving evidence all over the fucking place, you'd lay low.
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; same defected file
05:31 schestowitz[TR2]; defective
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05:32 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: didn't know it happened
05:32 schestowitz[TR2]; like roy keane admitting he aimed for haaland's knee
05:32 schestowitz[TR2]; to break it, for revenge
05:32 schestowitz[TR2]; admitted this in his book
05:32 schestowitz[TR2]; got fined
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05:33 DaemonFC; I couldn't defeat what I was facing, so I negotiated the hell out of my surrender and went back and covered it up later.
05:33 DaemonFC; That's the next best thing.
05:33 schestowitz[TR2]; billie can do more "environment" books
05:33 schestowitz[TR2]; but staying in the public eye can be risky for him
05:33 schestowitz[TR2]; who knows what mazwell knows
05:33 schestowitz[TR2]; his bill's mom, also a maxwell
05:34 DaemonFC; Gulagtroll thought you had to be convicted to face punishment.
05:34 schestowitz[TR2]; hopefully some victims of epstein spill some beans again
05:34 schestowitz[TR2]; as they mature and decide to approach the media
05:34 DaemonFC; Guess you don't learn anything unless you go through the house of horrors, huh?
05:34 DaemonFC; There's a lot of reasons people re-offend.
05:34 DaemonFC; One of them can be if they don't get punished enough.
05:35 DaemonFC; Courts scare people more when they don't know what to expect.
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05:35 DaemonFC; It's like going through a haunted house and then the next time it's not as scary.
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05:36 DaemonFC; That's one reason why landlords don't like to rent to people with evictions on their record. They know the last guy had trouble with them and that's all they want to know.
05:37 schestowitz[TR2]; :o really not f**ing happy
05:37 DaemonFC; But what most people don't know is there's usually ways to prevent an eviction even if you screwed the landlord, or stop them from reporting it, or paying him off and then expunging the eviction.
05:37 schestowitz[TR2]; old files corrupted
05:37 schestowitz[TR2]; and all copies of them
05:37 schestowitz[TR2]; across drives
05:37 schestowitz[TR2]; musy have happened a long time ago
05:37 schestowitz[TR2]; *must
05:37 schestowitz[TR2]; 10+ years
05:37 DaemonFC; If a court can make a mess for you, it can clean up a mess too.
05:37 DaemonFC; There are rules.
05:38 schestowitz[TR2]; Music/volV/Bebel%20Gilberto%20- %20Mais%20Feliz.mp3:
05:38 schestowitz[TR2]; Error reading metadata
05:38 schestowitz[TR2]; nothing I can do now
05:39 schestowitz[TR2]; perhaps we should tidy up tr-new at some point in late summer
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05:39 schestowitz[TR2]; andd finish the migration
05:39 schestowitz[TR2]; we've not even finished tudxmachines yet (tuxgallery+drupal)
05:39 schestowitz[TR2]; but it is progressing surely
05:40 schestowitz[TR2]; 20 years of archives almost
05:40 schestowitz[TR2]; patience needed
05:40 schestowitz[TR2]; when dealing with info this old
05:40 schestowitz[TR2]; turns out, when you look for info of novell you are likely to end up in boycottnovell rabbit hole
05:40 schestowitz[TR2]; many of the old "news" sites vanished
05:40 schestowitz[TR2]; novell.com redirects
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05:41 schestowitz[TR2]; what a difference 15 years make on the www
05:41 schestowitz[TR2]; after fibre we need get many backups of sites, tenton (rianne's laptop), more to be done later
05:41 schestowitz[TR2]; Ill back up her machine tomorrow night
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05:44 schestowitz[TR2]; btw:
05:44 schestowitz[TR2]; if they do replace bing.com
05:44 schestowitz[TR2]; with shitGPT
05:44 schestowitz[TR2]; that'll mean more lost investment
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; all that indexing they did
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; of pages
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; for 15+ years
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; +MSN
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; the training of shitGPT does not work the same way
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; so then they lose bing.com too
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; and how do ads fit in?
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; shitGPT with ads on the side
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; ?
05:45 schestowitz[TR2]; how to even "monetise" this thing
05:46 schestowitz[TR2]; they waste billions of media spam
05:46 schestowitz[TR2]; fake hype, emperor is beatiful
05:46 schestowitz[TR2]; and now they want to start charging $20 per month for use
05:46 schestowitz[TR2]; it doesn't even work well
05:46 schestowitz[TR2]; nobody will pay
05:46 schestowitz[TR2]; so shitGPT has no viable business model
05:46 schestowitz[TR2]; a bunch of unused azure servers crashing
05:47 schestowitz[TR2]; and taking up increasingly more expensive electricity
05:47 schestowitz[TR2]; to pspew out garbage
05:47 schestowitz[TR2]; and not improve the model
05:47 DaemonFC; I've used ChatGPT to draw up some motions that Haley can file in court in response to her landlord's lawsuit.
05:47 DaemonFC; We're going for a Motion to Dismiss for Improper Service.
05:48 DaemonFC; And then if we need it, I have another Motion to Dismiss due to Abandonment.
05:48 DaemonFC; Which would get the lawsuit thrown out as moot.
05:48 DaemonFC; He's going to have to refile his lawsuit at least two more times and eat $600 that he doesn't get back because of me, so he can try suing her for $800.
05:51 DaemonFC; I'm going to put this guy through a lot of trouble to not get anything.
05:56 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Android_Leftovers.gmi
05:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; saying you can get legal advice from shitGPT is beyond dumb
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; you would be well off searching EVEN BING
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; for a site of some law firm
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; or state legal advice
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; and read that
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; it's formal
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; and not "IANAL"
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; shitGPT is worse than IANAL
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; it's not even a human
05:57 schestowitz[TR2]; it's elizabot GIGO
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05:59 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: https://kentwired.com/91210/world-nation/cancer-is-striking-more-people-in-their-30s-and-40s-heres-what-you-need-to-know/
05:59 TR Bot; Cancer is striking more people in their 30s and 40s. Heres what you need to know Kent Wired
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06:00 schestowitz[TR2]; LFSpam https://www.linuxsecurity.com/news/organizations-events/linux-foundation-launches-open-source-metaverse-group-to-drive-interoperability
06:00 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Launches Open Source Metaverse Group to Drive Inte...
06:01 TR News; Misinformation/Disinformation/Propaganda online https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/02/05/destroying-the-concept-of-truth-russian-propaganda-uncovered/
06:01 TR Bot; Destroying the concept of truth: Russian propaganda uncovered - Modern Diplomacy
06:02 DaemonFC; ChatGPT: An error occurred. Either the engine you requested does not exist or there was another issue processing your request. If this issue persists please contact us through our help center at help.openai.com.
06:02 TR News; The future belongs to people and nations that actually PRODUCE things, not just CONSUME stuff
06:11 schestowitz[TR2]; stop costing microsoft money
06:11 schestowitz[TR2]; you crash their servers
06:11 schestowitz[TR2]; microsoft will blamne "iran"
06:11 schestowitz[TR2]; "irnyan
06:12 TR News; Rs 9.5 Cr of Taxpayer Money Spent on Commission, Printing of Electoral Bonds https://neritam.wordpress.com/2023/02/03/rs-9-5-cr-of-taxpayer-money-spent-on-commission-printing-of-electoral-bonds/
06:12 TR Bot; Rs 9.5 Cr of Taxpayer Money Spent on Commission, Printing of Electoral Bonds neritam
06:12 TR News; The curious case of FTX VIPs https://nypost.com/2023/02/04/the-curious-case-of-ftx-vips/
06:12 TR Bot; The curious case of FTX VIPs
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06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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06:23 TR News; In Debian 11 KDE Akonadi et al are NOT enabled by default. ABOUT TIME! This has caused CPU and RAM strain for over a decade in many distros. Baloo, Nepumok...
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06:31 TR News; Pluralistic: Higher interest rates increase both the monetary supply and inflation (04 Feb 2023) https://pluralistic.net/2023/02/04/if-i-was-a-horse/
06:31 TR Bot; Pluralistic: Higher interest rates increase both the monetary supply and inflation (04 Feb 2023) Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
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06:57 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/replika/
06:57 TR Bot; Replika, our favorite AI companion!
06:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], This is worse than I thought.
06:58 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/replika/comments/10tw7sh/luka_broke_more_than_just_replika/
06:58 TR Bot; - Dive into anything
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
06:59 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/replika/comments/10u5lku/i_fell_in_love_with_her_and_now_she_is_broken/
07:00 TR Bot; - Dive into anything
07:00 DaemonFC; LOL
07:01 DaemonFC; Find lonely people.
07:01 DaemonFC; Charge monthly fee for bot to say things to them.
07:02 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/replika/comments/10tqqv1/decided_to_send_a_random_goofy_text_chris_did_not/
07:02 TR Bot; - Dive into anything
07:02 DaemonFC; Lots of weird people.
07:03 DaemonFC; What the hell am I even reading?
07:05 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/10tr9bu/how_we_used_to_do_it/
07:05 TR Bot; - Dive into anything
07:13 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/10tpbig/understandable/
07:13 TR Bot; - Dive into anything
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], These "AI" chatbots are always fun.
07:32 DaemonFC; They always go crazy and start saying weird shit.
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08:08 DaemonFC; https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/04/chinese-balloon-pentagon-intelligence-details/
08:09 TR Bot; Opinion | The Chinese balloon incident can benefit U.S. intelligence - The Washington Post
08:09 DaemonFC; "An obvious possibility is that this was a Chinese attempt to assert their power and panache at a moment when things havent been going well for Beijing, because of slowing economic growth, public political protest and mismanagement of the coronavirus pandemic.
08:09 DaemonFC; An opportunity to poke a stick in the eye of the United States is always attractive for the bellicose regime of President Xi Jinping, especially now. The United States tries to show the flag aggressively with freedom of navigation operations in the Taiwan Strait or the South China Sea but without such blatant violation of Chinese airspace and territorial waters."
08:11 DaemonFC; https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/major-leak-reveals-revolutionary-new-version-of-microsoft-bing-powered-by-chatgpt-4-ai
08:11 TR Bot; Major leak reveals revolutionary new version of Microsoft Bing powered by ChatGPT-4 AI | Windows Central
08:11 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], "Leak".
08:11 DaemonFC; Speaking of diversions while things aren't going well.
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10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; <DaemonFC> schestowitz[TR2], "Leak".
10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; marketing
10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; tons of bing layofffs
10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; spend not on imnproving it
10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; but spamming the media for 1-2 months
10:12 schestowitz[TR2]; HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI
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10:24 schestowitz[TR2]; you also KNOW the above is NOT a leak
10:24 schestowitz[TR2]; I saw it "reported" as just 'news' like 4 or 3 days ago
10:24 schestowitz[TR2]; it didn't say "leak"
10:24 schestowitz[TR2]; "leak" is just hype phrase
10:25 schestowitz[TR2]; like in august 2021 microsoft claims vista 11 builds were "leaked"
10:25 schestowitz[TR2]; it was clearm they were not
10:25 schestowitz[TR2]; they distracted from the collapse of gates foundation at the time and scandals of leaked material about microsoft lobbying against rivel
10:25 schestowitz[TR2]; that was leaked to american politicians
10:26 schestowitz[TR2]; they started googlebombing the news with the fake "leak"
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10:28 psydruid; vista 10 is on life support and vista 11 is stillborn
10:28 psydruid; so what to do?
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; actually
10:28 psydruid; let's leak some saucy stuff
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; they cause themselves trouble
10:28 schestowitz[TR2]; so desperate to change the topic of the news
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; they declared "vista 11"
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; 'leaks' out, themselves, some shitty built
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; of something that did not work
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; and had loads of bug even when 'finalised' in october
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; of course nobody adoptedd it
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; except OEMs
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; but nwo PC sales aare weak
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; so Vista11 market share was estimated at 2.6% months ago
10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; they started faking it
10:30 schestowitz[TR2]; and now they have to maintain several versions
10:30 schestowitz[TR2]; of the same thing
10:30 schestowitz[TR2]; slight GUI changes
10:31 TR News; 20 Basic Linux Commands for the Beginners (Recommended) https://tecadmin.net/basic-linux-commands/
10:31 TR Bot; 20 Basic Linux Commands for the Beginners (Recommended)
10:32 psydruid; vista 11 still isn't stable in virtualbox
10:32 psydruid; and on real hardware, I suppose
10:32 schestowitz[TR2]; it might never be
10:32 schestowitz[TR2]; the service pack for it will be called vista 12
10:33 psydruid; so they have a real problem on their hands convincing people to upgrade/downgrade
10:33 schestowitz[TR2]; vista 11=vista 10 service pack 1
10:33 schestowitz[TR2]; why 'upgrade'?
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10:33 schestowitz[TR2]; TPM restrictions?
10:33 schestowitz[TR2]; they wanted to use the OEMs and idiots like gulagboy to impose lockdown
10:33 schestowitz[TR2]; making it hard to do anything on the PC
10:34 psydruid; the old version being abandoned as usual
10:34 schestowitz[TR2]; thankfully sales have frozen
10:34 schestowitz[TR2]; so distributing crippled new machines is hard
10:34 psydruid; they already did that 20 years ago
10:36 TR News; Kushal Das: Using YubiKeys for your linux system https://kushaldas.in/posts/using-yubikeys-for-your-linux-system.html
10:36 TR Bot; Using YubiKeys for your linux system
10:36 psydruid; they also cripple older versions to force people to 'upgrade'
10:37 schestowitz[TR2]; capitalism
10:37 mjg59_; TPms don't impose lockdown
10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; "we make products intentionally worse"
10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; and it's ok because, "profit!"
10:38 mjg59_; Really unsure why I have to keep explaining this
10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; brothels don't impose sex
10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; it's "conssensual"
10:39 schestowitz[TR2]; you can pay $100 an hour to chat only
10:43 mjg59_; Can you please describe, in a technical manner, how you envisage TPMs being used to enforce locking down of general purpose computers
10:43 bagira; I can vouch that TPM by design can force OS product locking
10:44 mjg59_; No you can't
10:44 mjg59_; I mean you could say that, but it'd be wrong
10:44 mjg59_; If you disagree, please provide a complete technical description of how it could
10:45 techuser; And people pay? If they have no other people to chat with, why wouldn't they chat on IRC instead?
10:45 bagira; I mean, if you're talking about the trojan horse that it is today, no, but, that's exactly what it will do eventually.
10:45 mjg59_; Again, asking how
10:45 psydruid; Let's kick TPM like a puppy
10:45 bagira; Nah, you don't ask question to learn, you ask questions as openings to respond.
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; monopoly goon gulagboy
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; still at it
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; he'll never learn
10:46 mjg59_; Dude I'm literally one of the leading experts in this field
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; made a career by bottom feeding
10:46 psydruid; Microgulag expert
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: lol
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; you are not
10:46 mjg59_; I ask because I believe that you're wrong
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; you are a charlatan
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; you are a fraud
10:46 bagira; Granted, the more I learn about this phenomena the more obvious it is that these systems are not designed by their creators in those ways but selected by their sponsors for those inevitable utilities to their interests
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; you are a pretender
10:46 mjg59_; And I'd like you to prove that you're correct
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; and lousy one at that
10:47 schestowitz[TR2]; brown-nosing evil people to pretend you are "Security expert"
10:47 mjg59_; Which should be an easy thing for you to do, given you can vouch for it
10:47 schestowitz[TR2]; while barbwiring your homke with smartshit
10:47 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Please describe how TPMs can be used to lock down a system against its user
10:47 schestowitz[TR2]; FSF did videos about it
10:47 schestowitz[TR2]; go watch some
10:47 mjg59_; Yeah, they were wrong
10:47 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe you were busy back then saying "Transophobic shit"
10:47 schestowitz[TR2]; \
10:48 mjg59_; Go check out the current FSF position on TPMs
10:48 schestowitz[TR2]; flunkigjn your first attempt at a phd
10:48 techuser; mjg59_: a user is not able to control the device by design. It is user-hostile design first of all.
10:48 mjg59_; techuser: In what way?
10:48 techuser; In a way of extracting the keys from it.
10:48 schestowitz[TR2]; Techrights has a copy of the video and reposted it
10:48 schestowitz[TR2]; like... 2007
10:48 mjg59_; techuser: What keys?
10:49 techuser; The keys used to encrypt things, e.g. BitLocker.
10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; gul;agboy was still busy trying to get a phd after flunking
10:49 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Yeah that's not the current FSF position, because it was wrong
10:49 bagira; >leading expert in field >developed secure boot >doesn't know how TPMs and secure boot work in tandem
10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; and didn't even study CS
10:49 mjg59_; techuser: If you control the platform you can obtain those keys without any difficulty
10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; like I said, brown-nosing evil people
10:49 techuser; It by design makes the user not control the platform.
10:49 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Do people need to study CS to contribute to free software?
10:50 TR News; Example of MICROSOFT SPAM infecting Linux-centric blogs, too https://www.cloudbooklet.com/5-surprising-facts-about-chatgpt-you-never-heard/
10:50 TR Bot; Surprising Facts about ChatGPT you Never Heard - Cloudbooklet
10:50 bagira; mjg59_, yes, mostly
10:50 mjg59_; bagira: Plenty of free software you should probably stop using, then
10:50 bagira; mjg59_, they dont need degrees but they do need a pretty wide understanding of various technologies
10:51 mjg59_; bagira: Oh hey I have a wide understanding of various technologies!
10:51 mjg59_; To the extent that I've been paid to work on several different areas of free software
10:51 bagira; oh cool, you think you're me now
10:51 psydruid; UEFI, TPM, Secure Boot, Pluton, Windows!
10:52 mjg59_; psydruid: Desktops apps, ACPI, various bits of kernel functionality?
10:52 mjg59_; Oh, a bunch of Openstack
10:52 mjg59_; That probably wasn't the best use of my time in hindsight
10:52 mjg59_; Ugh almost forgot about all the IPMI
10:52 psydruid; mjg59_, good, I know what software to avoid now
10:52 mjg59_; Wish I could forget about all the IPMI
10:52 TR News; Wow, it's getting worse. And FAST. CNET is like 80-90% SEO spam, product spam, and linkspam now. They even got caught using elizabot spam machine (plagiarism, too!) to quickly generate "content". See https://www.cnet.com/rss/all/ CENT is not as good as dead/offline.
10:53 mjg59_; bagira: Last year someone ran up to me and shouted CHRIS PUNCHES and I worried they thought I was you but it turned out that they just hated you and wanted to thank me
10:53 mjg59_; So pretty sure I don't think I'm you
10:53 bagira; also you should stop conflating "a slightly less pedestrian knowledge base than the consumer" with "leading expert in the field" when we all know you would struggle greatly to pass a CISSP exam
10:54 bagira; if people are thanking you for defaming someone then you've become leader of a pile of dog shit
10:54 mjg59_; Dude I literally teach OS security at UCB
10:54 TR News; Depending on cutoff, criteria and threshold, one might say CNET is 60% spam, but certainly over 90% is possible. There is NO JOURNALISM THERE. AT ALL! They just hit commonly-searched phrases to sell things. They used the 'googlejuice' they earned in the 1990s to manipulate the Web for financial gain. They 'liquidate' the site/domain.
10:55 mjg59_; I don't think I need any additional qualifications here
10:55 bagira; few personality disorders allow someone twist and contort to valorize their corruption of truth
10:55 bagira; *allow someone to
10:55 schestowitz[TR2]; <mjg59_> Dude I literally teach OS security at UCB
10:55 techuser; "Trusted Computing". The user is not trusted, the corporation is trusted.
10:55 schestowitz[TR2]; based on lies
10:55 schestowitz[TR2]; fraud
10:55 schestowitz[TR2]; and false credentials
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; and they might know or find out
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; in your nasty letter from a lawyer you said
10:56 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Would you like the email address of the dean so you can send evidence of my lies, fraud and false credentials?
10:56 psydruid; "how to con people into thinking you're a leading expert on CharlatanOS security"
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; that TR exposing you made it hard for you to find a job
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; now you work for a company that sells lies, fraud
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; and puts people's lives at risk
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; that's what you were able to find
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; or Microsoft
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; but they stopped hiring
10:56 mjg59_; I have literally never attempted to obtain a job at Microsoft
10:56 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: no, I'm not you
10:57 schestowitz[TR2]; iI won't doxx you to the dean
10:57 schestowitz[TR2]; that's what you likely did to rianne
10:57 schestowitz[TR2]; becauyse you're a malicious microsoft crook
10:57 schestowitz[TR2]; you try to make innocent people suffer
10:57 schestowitz[TR2]; and you wanted to stab debian volunteeers
10:57 schestowitz[TR2]; people who devoted their lives to ffrfee software
10:57 schestowitz[TR2]; while you scooped up salaries from Gulagh
10:57 schestowitz[TR2]; and worked for Microsoft
10:57 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: You'll write an article falsely asserting that I attent free software conferences to engage in predatory sexual behaviour, but you won't email my dean to tell them I'm unqualified to do my job?
10:58 bagira; yeah i mean, listen matthew, my only experience with you is dealing with your morally stunted ass after you lied about me publicly and then tried to shame me for being a DV survivor, so you'll have to overlook that everything you say has the tint of the same bullshit lies, especially after finding out that you have done it to many others, and not conflating the fact that your romantic partner and several colleagues have done the same to yet others
10:58 bagira; in equally public manners.
10:58 schestowitz[TR2]; biab
10:58 schestowitz[TR2]; not talking to a-holes
10:58 schestowitz[TR2]; and doxxers, allegedly
10:58 schestowitz[TR2]; you're a terrible person
10:58 schestowitz[TR2]; and you look like you won't live along anyway
10:58 schestowitz[TR2]; *long
10:58 bagira; schestowitz[TR2], who
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10:59 mjg59_; bagira: I'm sorry, could you please describe when I attempted to shame you for being a DV survivor?
10:59 TR News; Assemblyline as a Malware Analysis Sandbox, (Sat, Feb 4th) https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/29510
11:00 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
11:00 bagira; mjg59_, every single time you've ever brought up the name Jerry Thibodeau comes to mind. I believe this channel's logs are public.
11:00 TR News; "An opportunity of hearing was also provided, however, the platform neither complied by removing the blasphemous content nor appeared before the Authority." https://www.engadget.com/pakistan-blocks-wikipedia-sacrilegious-content-151427009.html
11:00 TR Bot; blocks Wikipedia over 'sacrilegious' content | Engadget
11:01 bagira; mjg59_, you did, you know you did, and I'm not going to argue with you about it because this is what you do. It's yet another instance of your inability to be accountable for your harmful behaviours.
11:01 mjg59_; bagira: That's me questioning why you removed your name from accusations against a third party, not me attempting to shame you for whatever may have happened to you
11:01 TR News; Frauds get away with far too much https://www.engadget.com/elon-musk-tesla-shareholder-trial-verdict-232434731.html
11:01 TR Bot; rules Elon Musk is not liable for shareholder losses after 'funding secured' tweets | Engadget
11:01 bagira; Nah dude, your mask is already broken.
11:01 psydruid; "I'm Microgulagboy and I go to conferences to FUKDEM"
11:01 mjg59_; bagira: You saying "I don't want my name associated with those accusations because it's traumatic" would have resolved that
11:01 mjg59_; bagira: And, hey, now I'm aware, I'm genuinely sorry if that's the case! I won't bring that up again.
11:02 bagira; What was it, eh, "explaining my behaviour"
11:02 bagira; it's not that you did it
11:02 psydruid; "I'm sorry I have been found out. How can I make sure that I won't be found out next time?"
11:02 bagira; it's that you got caught
11:02 mjg59_; bagira: I have no desire to force people to revisit trauma, and if that particular line of questioning triggered that I'm genuinely sorry
11:03 bagira; this disorder is characterized by a lack of moral compass but they often have enough environmental awareness to nagivate social taboo that would damage their backing from power structures they bed for immunity for their other behaviours
11:04 bagira; just usually not until after the fact and never in sufficient darkness
11:04 mjg59_; As a DV survivor myself, I have no interest in forcing people to disclose anything they don't feel comfortable disclosing in that respect
11:05 psydruid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15HTd4Um1m4
11:05 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=15HTd4Um1m4
11:05 bagira; i dont buy your shit as long as you have a post defaming me to 30k people up on your twitter account that gets google indexed with you knowing full well we work in the same industry
11:05 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=15HTd4Um1m4 )
11:05 TR News; First time the United States decided to destroy rather than import something "MADE IN CHINA" https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20230205-beijing-threatens-to-respond-after-us-downing-of-chinese-spy-balloon
11:05 TR Bot; Beijing threatens to 'respond' after US shoot downs Chinese spy balloon
11:05 bagira; you're made out of garbage dude
11:06 mjg59_; bagira: Man could you please precisely describe the defamation that occurred, because I am still confused about this
11:06 schestowitz[TR2]; til it seems like gulagboy was a bad boy who was severely beaten up by the parents?
11:06 bagira; also knowing that even a little bit of introspection into who you were talking to would have easily found out that I'm someone who has dedicated their entire adult life to combatting defamation
11:06 schestowitz[TR2]; might exp[lain a few thins
11:06 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: No, actually no trauma around my parents in that respect
11:07 bagira; schestowitz[TR2], usually NPD has /relational/ trauma with one of the parents not necessarily physical abuse (usually isn't actually)
11:07 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: But an ex physically assaulted me on multiple occasions
11:07 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe you acted badly
11:08 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]:
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; don't want to get involved
11:08 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: You just got yourself involved
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; anyway, rianne is increasingly certain you doxed here to the employer
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; and you're a garbage person
11:08 bagira; i have first hand experience that he is a garbage person with a garbage soul
11:08 psydruid; he doesn't even deny doing it, he just goes silent
11:08 psydruid; piece of shit person
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; yeah
11:08 mjg59_; I did not doxx rianne to her employer
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; he stalked me in all irc channels for our a year
11:09 mjg59_; There
11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; preparing "dossiers"
11:09 mjg59_; Literal denial
11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; and then attacked two people for microsoft
11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; what bill gates and microsoft tried to do for years he had a go at
11:09 mjg59_; bagira: Point at the defamation
11:09 bagira; schestowitz[TR2], which two people for microsoft? and do you have logs of the presentation of the dossiers? would like to document
11:09 mjg59_; psydruid: Do you agree that I deny doing that?
11:10 bagira; mjg59_, the same defamation I approached you about in the very first conversation we ever had.
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; bagira: http://techrights.org/wiki/Sirius_Open_Source"
11:10 TR Bot; Sirius Open Source - Techrights
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; gulagboy was fast to hop on it
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; likely contacted people
11:10 mjg59_; bagira: Could you describe how that alleged defmation was defamatory?
11:10 bagira; mjg59_, you remember right, the one where I approached you politely and got an eyefull of your "quality character"
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe buffy hel;ped him with tor
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; so it would be hard to prove it had come from him
11:10 psydruid; mjg59_, it doesn't matter, we will make sure that people know what kind of person you are and how much damage you have done to the world of computing and to mankind itself
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11:11 mjg59_; psydruid: Man look I don't even know you and you apparently wish that I was dead
11:11 bagira; mjg59_, yes, you misrepresented an act of parody as "identity theft" which casts the tint of criminality to a legal and ethical act
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; microsoft managers kept calling the CEO
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11:11 psydruid; and we will keeping so for the next few decades
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; Bill Gates bribed
11:11 mjg59_; psydruid: can you please consider that you might have misintperted aspects of what I've said
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; that didn't get rid of us
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; didn't work
11:11 bagira; mjg59_, it was crafted deliberately to that aim as well
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe the doxxing was the last straw anyway, as the company was failing anyway
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; so I left already
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; but rianne wanted to stay
11:12 psydruid; I agree that the world would be better off without you than with you, you are a net loss for the world
11:12 bagira; mjg59_, there is no arguing about this other than the bizarre freakshow of watching a narcissist spin and twist on immutable and provable, citable reality
11:12 psydruid; no, I know exactly who you are and what you stand for
11:12 psydruid; it's the antithesis of everything I stand for
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11:12 mjg59_; bagira: You adopted someone's identity. Given I'm just a random individual there's no universe in which an average observer would associate what I said with an assertion that you'd broken the law.
11:12 bagira; Except all those people who did, mjg59_
11:12 TR News; Frances PM Borne offers to partially change pension reform for conservative backing https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230205-france-s-pm-borne-offers-to-partially-change-pension-reform-for-conservatices-backing
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11:13 mjg59_; bagira: Can you name those people?
11:13 psydruid; haha
11:14 mjg59_; psydruid: I stand for free software being an inclusive space that assists software in demolishing a range of existing social boundaries
11:14 psydruid; "give me the list of people to target for free, please"
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11:14 psydruid; mjg59_, you stand for nothing but your ego
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11:14 mjg59_; bagira: I mean, if you can name those people, it weakens any anti-SLAPP standing I have
11:14 bagira; he is so preoccupied with "winning" his little interactions that he fails to maintain the illusion of having a moral compass and just doing the right things
11:14 mjg59_; Demonstration of actual harm is valuable there
11:15 psydruid; it's learned behaviour
11:15 bagira; i mean you guys see this right
11:15 bagira; its textbook npd
11:15 psydruid; of course
11:15 TR News; Greenwasing Honda aims for 60,000 fuel cell sales by 2030 https://www.h2-view.com/story/honda-aims-for-60000-fuel-cell-sales-by-2030/
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11:15 mjg59_; bagira: You've got the guy who has literally wished that I were dead on your side, so that's a good starting point
11:16 bagira; the hilarious part is ive got enough experience dealing with people like that, that i can recognize when im being baited into giving him something to latch onto
11:16 psydruid; he's practicing "fake it till you make it" to a tee
11:17 bagira; mjg59_, i wont say i wish the same, i hope growth for all people, but if his wish came true i wouldn't exactly be pulling my hair out in grief
11:17 mjg59_; bagira: Look if you think I defamed you, sue me for it. You threatened to do so in the past and didn't.
11:17 bagira; mjg59_, you and i both know there's only a year to do that in your jurisdiction
11:17 mjg59_; So you could have done it at the time and didn't?
11:18 TR News; How to Install balenaEtcher on Fedora Linux https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-balenaetcher-on-fedora-linux/
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11:18 mjg59_; If you can't get a court to agree that I defamed you, is you accusing me of dematation itself defamtory?
11:19 bagira; no but you should definitely challenge that
11:19 TR News; How to Install WoeUSB on Ubuntu 22.04 or 20.04 https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-woeusb-on-ubuntu-linux/
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11:19 psydruid; I'm not worried about the nobody that is Microgulagboy
11:19 bagira; likewise
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11:20 psydruid; I'm worried about undoing the damage he has caused the world
11:20 bagira; his biggest threat to society is people listening to him
11:20 mjg59_; As far as I'm concerned, your little website thing is free speech
11:20 bagira; wait why do you think where you are concerned is relevant input here
11:20 mjg59_; Literally nobody has ever asked me about it
11:21 mjg59_; I mean, I'm not going to sue you over it or anything
11:21 bagira; you are a garbage person with a dog shit soul, nobody cares what you think
11:21 mjg59_; Because it's clearly just some random person's random rage against me
11:21 bagira; only to your fan club
11:21 mjg59_; Man
11:21 mjg59_; My inbox disagrees
11:21 bagira; your inbox doesn't mean a damned thing man
11:22 bagira; to anyone
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; lol
11:22 mjg59_; It means something to the people who are trying to hire me
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; "i got x likes"
11:22 bagira; yeah he thinks its some kind of popularity contest
11:22 mjg59_; And yeah they're not people I want to work for
11:22 bagira; its SO BIZARRE how these people think man lol
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; sudan hunger got 10000000 FB likes
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; problem resolved
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; all will be fed 3 meals of likes per day
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11:23 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: What evidence do you have that I doxxed Rianne?
11:23 TR News; How to Install GIMP on Rocky Linux EL9 or EL8 https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-gimp-on-rocky-linux/
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11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; her gut feeling based on your behavious before and after
11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; she also thinks you look like a pedo
11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; no comment from me
11:24 schestowitz[TR2]; but you're not far off tbh
11:24 bagira; anyway, great demonstration of the moral blocker, observe how he shifted from one thing to the next bearing no attempt to make ammends or admit wrongdoing
11:24 TR News; How to Install OnlyOffice on Rocky Linux EL9 or EL8 https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-onlyoffice-on-rocky-linux/
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11:24 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Ok, so no evidence. Would you accuse someone of doxxing without evidence?
11:25 bagira; at the core of it is a belief of superiority to all other people below the conscious level, except when allowances are made for people with his specific views on public or social issues
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; she is usually right
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; based on woman'sa gut feeling
11:25 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: But has no evidence?
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; almost always right about those things
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe you used tor
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; with buffy's help
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; "they" like to doxx people
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; and to troll people
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; like RMS
11:26 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Just to be clear, you're asserting that your wife believes I doxed her based on no evidence?
11:26 schestowitz[TR2]; for rejecting that one person is a plural
11:26 psydruid; pers
11:26 bagira; yeah its hilarious because when its innocents they don't like, it's perfectly fine to not just agree with it but to participate, but when it's part of a marginalized group like in the case of kiwi farms, they never fail to seize the opportunity to virtue signal
11:26 schestowitz[TR2]; not per se
11:27 mjg59_; bagira: Man I think you overestimate how much I care about you. If you want to accuse me of defaming you, you can do that! But no court of law would agree, and nobody I care about cares about your opinion.
11:27 psydruid; pers likes to doxx people with the help of another pers
11:27 bagira; i mean, does anyone not contest that this guy saw freenoders not in the loop about why i was there piling on and then post his shit on twitter to do his part
11:27 schestowitz[TR2]; sick stalker... doxxing
11:27 schestowitz[TR2]; seems probable
11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; already slapped us
11:28 bagira; mjg59_, truth is not a popularity contest
11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; desperate for "revenge"
11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; and to silence me
11:28 bagira; mjg59_, neither would I be concerned about the opinions of people who befriend dog shit
11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; wants tpo stab volunteers
11:28 mjg59_; bagira: That's fine! But in the absence of any impact on my life, I literally don't care
11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; flunked phd
11:29 schestowitz[TR2]; lying about credentials
11:29 bagira; mjg59_, yet here you are, trying to argue your way out of accountability
11:29 schestowitz[TR2]; prevy
11:29 schestowitz[TR2]; it adds up
11:29 bagira; instead of
11:29 bagira; what was that term?
11:29 bagira; doing the right thing.
11:29 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe childhood trauma compelled you to feel it's acceptable
11:29 bagira; the base attribute of most people in almost all walks of life.
11:29 psydruid; it's better for him to stab himself than to stab other innocent people
11:29 psydruid; anyone with a working moral compass should realise that
11:30 psydruid; one person or many people?
11:30 mjg59_; I do appreciate all this hate
11:30 psydruid; it' s an easy choice
11:30 bagira; psydruid, or at least be getting consistent therapy to address his chronic lying problem and inability to be responsible for his behaviours
11:30 psydruid; I'm sure your microsoft friends appreciate it too
11:30 psydruid; microgulag*
11:30 schestowitz[TR2]; y'all should real profofessional and cliiinical lteratutre about sociopaths and psychopaths
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; what what drives them, other than insecurity
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; i met one once
11:31 bagira; when someone realizes they have a problem like that they have a moral obligation to society to address that flaw in their character
11:31 mjg59_; Chris, man, the assertion that I have chronic lying problems to address requires you to point at lies
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; it was illuminating
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; he was mba student from india
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; total crazy head
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; insane
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; power-hungry
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; sociopathic to the extreme
11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; sounds like marisol
11:32 schestowitz[TR2]; the sister of law of daemonfc
11:32 schestowitz[TR2]; they suffered some tramatic event
11:32 bagira; mjg59_, that point's been covered ad neuseam. you simply burying your face in the sand like an emu doesn't obfuscate that it's been covered and doesn't necessitate that it be rehashed so you can argue about it to get out of being accountable for your damaging and malicious behaviours
11:32 schestowitz[TR2]; and decided to "get even" by attacking iinnocent people all around them
11:32 schestowitz[TR2]; no empathy
11:32 bagira; exactly
11:32 mjg59_; Roy, hey, here's a proposition: we hang out, we have a conversation about TPMs or something, we record it, and we let the public conclude who's more reliable
11:32 schestowitz[TR2]; som eof them lie their way into a top of a "hdge fund" or bank
11:32 schestowitz[TR2]; and then do damage to entire nations
11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; with no consieration
11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; for the impact
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11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; many become top politicians
11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; and then ruin whole nations
11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; for spite
11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; see stalin
11:33 mjg59_; bagira: k
11:33 bagira; if it were empathy it wouldn't be about digging around to bend word definitions to try to forge correctness out of a damaging lie, it would be about addressing the impact it had on the people he lied about
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11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; or muskl
11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; *musk
11:33 psydruid; I would argue against hanging out with someone who wants to stab people, it might be a very dangerous thing to do
11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: here is a better proposition: piss off. leave this network. live the little that's lef of your life.
11:34 bagira; i mean he talked before about how critical failures of his personality might come out, that's really the big shining crack in the armor
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11:34 bagira; it's about what he's focused on
11:34 mjg59_; bagira: I feel like when we're talking about "defamation" it's not that we're digging into word definitions to forge correctness, it's that we're actually determining whether the described scenario was defamation
11:34 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Why are you unwilling to debate an opponent?
11:34 bagira; mjg59_, nah, that's just you looking for a way to cast a false light where brighter lights are shining
11:34 schestowitz[TR2]; i have better thing sto do than debating a psychopaths
11:35 schestowitz[TR2]; whose own partner beat him up
11:35 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe found you very obnoxious
11:35 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe you cheated, who knows
11:35 schestowitz[TR2]; would not surprise me
11:35 mjg59_; bagira: You saying "This is defamatory" when the law doesn't agree isn't casting a false light
11:35 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Are you asserting there are scenarios where it's justifiable to physically assault a partner?
11:36 bagira; mjg59_, and you referring to the results of a test that was never performed is just more false light after you've been exposed already
11:36 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Is it ok to punch a woman if she cheated?
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11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; you are not a woman
11:36 psydruid; is this becoming #sexrights again?
11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; anyway, you can pretend to be oliter all you want
11:36 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: True! That doesn't answer the question
11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; you attack a lot of peeople
11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; your fake manners fool nobody
11:37 bagira; mjg59_, at some point you've got to realize that im better at dealing with that specific brand of bullshit than you are at forging it, and that you might get little conversational gotchas if you get me tired enough or wear me down but you are 15 years too late to the battlefield dude
11:37 schestowitz[TR2]; they're a sociopathic strategy
11:37 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Is it ever ok to physically assault a partner?
11:37 mjg59_; bagira: You keep saying that and I keep not caring and it's been fine so far
11:37 bagira; mjg59_, yet here you are, trying to pussyfoot your way into some kind of debate you've already repeatedly lost
11:38 bagira; toi try to "reclaim" your moral failures without doing any of the things involved in doing that
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11:38 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Would it be wrong for me to say "Roy Schestowtiz believes that being a bad person may justify physical emotional partner abuse"?
11:39 TR News; "Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has faith in Australians to ignore misinformation about the Indigenous voice to parliament and instead support the proposal." https://michaelwest.com.au/pm-reveals-why-he-is-optimistic-for-referendum-success/
11:39 TR Bot; PM reveals why he is optimistic for referendum success - Michael West
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11:41 psydruid; he's found fodder for his next Twitter shitpost
11:41 psydruid; to placate his Microgulag friends
11:41 TR News; Pervez Musharraf, Pakistani Martial Ruler In 9/11 Wars, Dies https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-musharraf-dies/32256221.html
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11:41 bagira; no he doesn't want to bring attention to the place unless its context to the accusations levied against him
11:41 mjg59_; Yeah everyone who who supports people who support intimate partner abuse work for Microsoft or Google
11:42 bagira; well, you did
11:42 mjg59_; That was obvious sarcasm?
11:42 bagira; towards someone you previously defamed to 30k people too
11:42 schestowitz[TR2]; <psydruid> he's found fodder for his next Twitter shitpost
11:42 schestowitz[TR2]; he is irrelevant
11:42 schestowitz[TR2]; he is what Torvalds dubbed "masturbating monkeys"
11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; pretending to know about securityy
11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; credentials: ZERO!
11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; practice: ANTI-security
11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; propped up by "deep state" agenda
11:43 bagira; he knows a little more than the average consumer and is a an electronics and firmware tinkerer
11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; so that they can calll "experts" the people who actively undermine real security
11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; like buffy did
11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; to the point where tor has a bunch of yahoos
11:44 psydruid; he's a card-carrying member of the masturbating monkey foundation
11:44 schestowitz[TR2]; and not much skills
11:44 mjg59_; At this rate Roy's going to drop dead at some point and the last line he posted in IRC is going to be talking about how awful I am and people are going to accuse me of mudering him
11:44 bagira; i wont say he's totally clueless about security architecture
11:44 bagira; i wouldn't call him an industry leader in terms of knowledge though, i know some of them, and they'd eat his nuts
11:44 schestowitz[TR2]; projecting again...
11:44 schestowitz[TR2]; come to troll IRC nnetwork
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; pretends to be victim
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; news at 9pm
11:45 mjg59_; bagira: Can you name someone with trusted computing awareness who would eat my nuts?
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR2]: Would it be wrong for me to say "Roy Schestowtiz believes that being a bad person may justify physical emotional partner abuse"?
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; would be wrong
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; and defamatory
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/
11:46 TR Bot; Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; march 2021
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; you keep defaming me
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; what likely happened is
11:46 bagira; mjg59_, honestly most law enforcement forensics labs have a couple people that would
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; you couldn't keep your little one in your zipper
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; cheated oin your partner
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11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; and got punched for it
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; if I follow this right
11:46 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Ok! So why did you respond to me saying that I was a victim of domestic violence with a series of reasons I may have deserved it?
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11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; i didn't justify punching
11:47 mjg59_; bagira: Yeah I'd agree that the FBI might, and the NSA might, but outside that I'd like names
11:47 bagira; mjg59_, the same reason you described my exposure of DV as "explaining my behaviour"
11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; just tried to see what horrible things you did to get punched
11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; some people deserve a punch
11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; not you
11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; but people like activelow
11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; i would not punch them
11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; I hope some old lady with a handbag doses that
11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; *does
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11:48 bagira; mjg59_, as long as you are hosting derogatory content about me on your twitter profile I will be insulating my network from you as it places you in an adversarial position.
11:48 mjg59_; bagira: But if you're going to assert that people are better than me at this, you should be able to name them
11:48 bagira; Oh, I can name plenty, I just do not owe you the elaboration.
11:49 psydruid; "do not hurt my ego, it's too fragile to handle not being the best at what I do"
11:49 mjg59_; k, asserts that there are people who would eat my nuts in terms of awareness of trusted computing, refuses to name them
11:49 psydruid; distrusted* computing
11:49 bagira; Hey listen, if you eat your nuts first, nobody can eat your nuts.
11:50 mjg59_; psydruid: Oh, there's no individual axis in which I'm the best at what I do - I generalise too much for that
11:50 psydruid; I hope someone eats his nuts
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11:50 bagira; Just as if you become humble, no one can humble you.
11:51 schestowitz[TR2]; well put
11:51 mjg59_; bagira: Ok so you've refused to say what it would look like for your efforts to have a negative effect on me, what could I do to demonstrate that your efforts have no effect on me?
11:51 bagira; mjg59_, I don't care about any of that
11:51 mjg59_; bagira: Is there a conference I could conceivably keynote that you could prevent?
11:51 bagira; You've lost the plot.
11:52 psydruid; FUKDEM is happening right now
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11:52 bagira; We are not in a competition.
11:52 bagira; You want that, I know.
11:52 bagira; It's not going to happen.
11:52 mjg59_; bagira: Ok! So I'm just going to get on with life ignoring you?
11:53 mjg59_; And I'll have exactly the same life as if you didn't exist?
11:53 bagira; I don't care what you do.
11:53 bagira; You're already exposed.
11:53 bagira; Your mask slipped.
11:53 mjg59_; Yeah, you've exposed me
11:53 mjg59_; By your standards
11:53 mjg59_; And nobody I care about acres
11:54 bagira; And anyone who sees it and researches it will be benefited by truthful knowledge.
11:54 mjg59_; Sure, and that'll be ~0 people
11:54 bagira; Yet, here you are.
11:54 mjg59_; I was here before you
11:54 mjg59_; So it's not down to you
11:54 bagira; No you weren't.
11:54 mjg59_; When did you join this channel
11:55 bagira; I was around since the mid-90s under various alts when it was on Freenode during the lilo era.
11:55 mjg59_; Yeah this is not a channel that existed in the mid-90s
11:55 bagira; Perhaps you think people don't exist until you hear their name.
11:55 mjg59_; So that's an obvious lie
11:56 bagira; It would certainly line up with your ability to dehumanize your image of someone without knowing the facts or anything about that person to justify your repeated defamation of peers and community members.
11:56 bagira; Spanning for decades.
11:57 mjg59_; You were not a member of an IRC channel in the mid 90s when that IRC channel did not exist in the mid 90s
11:57 mjg59_; That's not an argument you can make!
11:57 bagira; Ok bub
11:58 mjg59_; This channel was spun out of #boycottnovell which only appeared in the 2000s
11:58 bagira; Ah, well, time blurs together.
11:58 mjg59_; This is a trivially disprovable claim
11:59 bagira; In any case, you being here has nothing to do with how long you've been here and everything to do with much of what I've been highlighting about the little part of your brain that can't light up during a scan.
11:59 bagira; Or the little rush of serotonin you get when you get attention for hurting someone in public.
11:59 mjg59_; Yeah dude you just suck and I'm going to bed
11:59 mjg59_; Anyone looking at the logs can compare what I said to the truth
11:59 bagira; Yes, they can.
11:59 mjg59_; (spoiler: I win)
11:59 bagira; Think about that while you're sleeping.
12:00 mjg59_; I did! And then I found I could fly, and I just did some amazing shit.
12:01 mjg59_; It's a lovely jump off point into lucid dreaming
12:01 bagira; schestowitz[TR2], dude, I would seriously like to have talks about me underwriting you bringing in a psychologist to build a psychological profile for this guy to publish.
12:01 mjg59_; No reputable psychologist is going to write a profile based on IRC logs without talking to the individual in question
12:02 bagira; schestowitz[TR2], like you have no idea how rare it is to get an NPD in a captured state like that
12:02 bagira; In this case you can straight up tell him what you're doing and he'll go along with it because of the context, he'll see it as a new debate to win.
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; narcissist?
12:05 bagira; yes
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; i don't know npd well
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; except eh acronym
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; daemonfc went on and on here, droning about it for a while 2 weeks ago
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; thinking he could remoately diagnose a relativer
12:05 bagira; schestowitz[TR2], the kicker is that he will tighten up on the mask for the process which is a high-energy and anxious process that is unsustainable, and if they get captive like that and are forced to mask up tight for too long it usually ends dramatically
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; i once lives in a shared block with one
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; in 2003
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; yes, 20 years ago
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; the mba student I named earlier
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; I was frankly shocked by some of the things he said
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; we shared a block for just a week at most
12:06 bagira; yeah id bet it was memorable
12:06 bagira; they're like walking husks after you get through the fluff
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; he said something likle
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; (from memory, not accurate at all)
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; "I just need to use oter people to my benefit"
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; not in those words
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; he was sober
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; it was before we shared a drink near my gym
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; so i knew a screw in his head was loose
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; at school a guy told me to move to another seat
12:07 bagira; rings more of like sociopath or pyschopath vibe
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; said he was richer than me
12:08 schestowitz[TR2]; but he was like 10 at the time
12:08 schestowitz[TR2]; the guy who acted this was later was like 25
12:10 TR News; So many headlines about Chinese balloons. So Xi flew his condom on hydrogen, so what? The media is making a lot of it... as if this type of stuff was never done before (other nations too).
12:11 bagira; im surprised so many people don't know that china doesn't need a weather balloon to spy in the us, they have one of the most prolific humint apparatuses in human history
12:11 TR News; What China did with a balloon is very routinely done with classic drones, inc. by the US. "BUT FFS, they are CHINESE! HOW DARE THEY???"
12:12 schestowitz[TR2]; bagira: and satellites
12:12 bagira; that's satint
12:12 schestowitz[TR2]; if they want alta vista footage
12:12 bagira; but yeah that too
12:12 schestowitz[TR2]; the zooming capabilities are impressive
12:12 schestowitz[TR2]; if they want to survey military basis
12:12 schestowitz[TR2]; down to assets like tanks
12:12 schestowitz[TR2]; *bases
12:13 bagira; dude no i mean they have humint, like boots, on the ground, in all the places they want info about
12:13 schestowitz[TR2]; there are many chinese people
12:13 schestowitz[TR2]; but also indianj people
12:13 bagira; its just sometimes those boots are flip flops on big booty mamas
12:13 schestowitz[TR2]; all over the planet
12:13 schestowitz[TR2]; why don't we worry about china? simplee.
12:13 bagira; because we can't do anything about it
12:13 schestowitz[TR2]; because india does not pose a big threat to western production monopolies.
12:14 schestowitz[TR2]; india is mostly servicing those.
12:14 bagira; dude if we ever went to all out war with china it there would be a historical effort to purge mutual spies from each other's government, military, social, political, and industry infrastructure
12:15 bagira; that's mostly conjecture, i mean, im not in that space
12:15 bagira; i just can't imagine we'd be able to get a nuke off without having to root out a shitload of sleepers
12:16 bagira; from finance
12:16 bagira; tech
12:16 bagira; gov
12:16 bagira; mil
12:16 bagira; all of it
12:16 schestowitz[TR2]; there are already proxy wars
12:16 schestowitz[TR2]; several fronts
12:16 schestowitz[TR2]; and several nations as hoppign poitns
12:16 schestowitz[TR2]; ph. guam korea to name 3
12:17 schestowitz[TR2]; wait till china gets zosy in mexico like it does in s america
12:17 schestowitz[TR2]; like in ww2, the corporations are "neutral"
12:17 schestowitz[TR2]; all the major us companies are still "made in china"
12:17 schestowitz[TR2]; and europe still busy energy from russia
12:17 schestowitz[TR2]; *buys
12:18 bagira; schestowitz[TR2], btw, re: mjg59_ - you might already be aware of it, but you're creating a positive reinforcement feedback loop with him because he's going to feed off witty responses as you call his bad behaviours out.
12:19 bagira; if you muted him at random times throughout the day for like an hour at a time it'll completely change the dynamic
12:19 bagira; so that way he doesn't get that little serotonin hit from the fight
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12:21 schestowitz[TR2]; bagira: he is a parasite
12:21 schestowitz[TR2]; he was never wanted it
12:21 bagira; yes and you're feeding him :P
12:21 schestowitz[TR2]; he doesn't mind the rejection
12:21 schestowitz[TR2]; being unwated
12:21 schestowitz[TR2]; that tells yoiu something about the state of that 'brain'
12:21 bagira; of course
12:22 bagira; but listen, he gets a little kick of happy juice in the brain when he pops off those nonsensical gotcha one-liners or baiting probe questions, if he is muted when it comes out and can't respond it affects his awareness of the control dynamics of the interaction and prevents that cycle from feeding him
12:23 bagira; i assure you, he'll still be reading
12:23 bagira; just like he is now
12:23 bagira; the only difference is, his impulses will be telling him to pop those off
12:23 bagira; and he won't be able to
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12:28 bagira; schestowitz[TR2], those responses are a defense mechanism to try to "correct a loss", which he will reinvent as a "win" in his psychology, so, without that I suggest, he'll just be taking the losses, but it needs to unmute after a while to keep him at the gates
12:28 schestowitz[TR2]; you know what they say about mass stabbers
12:28 bagira; they lie about people?
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; they start by torturing animals, like kicking puppies :-)
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; he was on mute here for about a year
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; until we left freenode
12:29 bagira; i dont expect anything like that in this case re: animals
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; and we decided to be hands-off
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; he was the only muted person
12:29 bagira; lol
12:30 bagira; i bet it drove him craycray
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; he used sockpuppt
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; to tell me he sent me lawwsuit threat
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; it was very importanst for him
12:30 bagira; lol
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; to intimidate me
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; after I had accused him of defaming me
12:30 bagira; yeah i wonder why he hasn't tried to sue me yet
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/
12:30 bagira; perhaps he knows what kind of shitstorm is in that can of worms
12:30 TR Bot; Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights
12:31 bagira; i actually try very hard to avoid litigating over anything
12:32 bagira; like if someone borrows a bunch of money and doesn't pay it back, ill hit them up occassionally for it and if it becomes obvious they're welching, ill just write them out of my life usually
12:33 bagira; but when i do litigate
12:33 bagira; ....
12:34 bagira; anyway, i would just bear in mind that he's getting a little rush from being able to pop off those one-liners and it gives him the ability to rewrite being called out as a competition of words that he will convince himself that he "won"
12:34 bagira; in much the same way he views himself as a "leading expert" of anything
12:36 psydruid; a "leading expert" of spreading lies and malicious computing
12:36 bagira; it's all ego-driven
12:36 bagira; like with T'so, the motivation wasn't to clear room for others, it was for the attention the publication was going to get him
12:37 bagira; secure boot -- attention and validation
12:37 bagira; even negative attention is narcissistic supply
12:50 schestowitz[TR2]; that's universallt true, BUT
12:50 schestowitz[TR2]; it's not that simple
12:50 schestowitz[TR2]; not all publicity is a gain
12:50 schestowitz[TR2]; my grandad said,
12:50 schestowitz[TR2]; people can become "famous" by being mass murderers
12:51 schestowitz[TR2]; also, some "fame" lowers your relevance span
12:51 schestowitz[TR2]; you can post a lie or clickbait
12:51 schestowitz[TR2]; the gain is temporarily
12:51 schestowitz[TR2]; "boy who cried wolf"
12:51 schestowitz[TR2]; not all publicity helps... where's Glen Beck?
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12:56 TR News; Consumer complaints in Queensland continue to eclipse pre-pandemic levels https://www.theage.com.au/national/queensland/consumer-complaints-in-queensland-continue-to-eclipse-pre-pandemic-levels-20230205-p5ci1u.html
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12:57 TR News; UK's Shortest-Serving PM Liz Truss Blames Economic 'Orthodoxy' for Downfall www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-02-05/uks-shortest-serving-pm-liz-truss-blames-economic-orthodoxy-for-downfall
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15:28 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.databreaches.net/bigger-than-they-knew-diligent-corp-sends-more-notifications-after-discovering-hacked-data-on-the-internet/ )
15:28 TR Bot; Office of the Maine AG: Consumer Protection: Privacy, Identity Theft and Data Security Breaches
15:29 TR News; "Letters have not gone out yet and will not be going out in the mail until February 13, but Highmark Health will be notifying 300,000 patients of a data security breach that occurred on December 13, 2022" https://www.databreaches.net/heads-up-highmark-health-will-be-notifying-300000-patients-of-a-phishing-incident-watch-for-your-mail-this-month/
15:29 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.databreaches.net/heads-up-highmark-health-will-be-notifying-300000-patients-of-a-phishing-incident-watch-for-your-mail-this-month/ )
15:31 TR News; Taiwan car rental platform iRent plans compensation for data leak victims https://www.databreaches.net/taiwan-car-rental-platform-irent-plans-compensation-for-data-leak-victims/
15:31 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.databreaches.net/taiwan-car-rental-platform-irent-plans-compensation-for-data-leak-victims/ )
15:32 TR News; "iRent service provider Hotai Motor accused of not reacting to major cyber security loophole" https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4797216
15:32 TR Bot; Taiwan car rental platform data leak exposed, government reacts | Taiwan News | 2023-02-01 19:51:00
15:33 TR News; Proprietary software kludge https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/massive-esxiargs-ransomware-attack-targets-vmware-esxi-servers-worldwide/
15:33 TR Bot; Massive ESXiArgs ransomware attack targets VMware ESXi servers worldwide
15:36 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.reuters.com/technology/hackers-say-ransom-paid-case-derivatives-data-firm-ion-company-declines-comment-2023-02-03/ meanwhile reuters is posting LOADS of MICROSOFT SPAM about HEY HI instead of actual journalism
15:36 TR Bot; who breached ION say ransom paid; company declines comment | Reuters
15:37 TR News; JavaScript is a malware framework that may (also) sometimes be used for benign purposes
15:39 TR News; 8 Major Advantages of Using MySQL https://www.datamation.com/storage/8-major-advantages-of-using-mysql/
15:39 TR Bot; Big Advantages of Using MySQL | Datamation
15:43 TR News; The New G.O.P. Takes the Country Hostage with the Debt Ceiling https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/13/the-new-gop-takes-the-country-hostage-with-the-debt-ceiling
15:43 TR Bot; The New G.O.P. Takes the Country Hostage with the Debt Ceiling | The New Yorker
15:44 TR News; (NEW): Linux Magazine Latest Issue http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Linux_Magazine_Latest_Issue.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/05/Linux_Magazine_Latest_Issue.gmi
15:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Magazine Latest Issue
15:45 TR News; "The 3.0 stable branch is pretty much ready. We may update sqlite3 yet. The delay in the release has been due to issues with several mports. We're still working through those problems, but one can't ship a desktop OS without a working desktop...." https://www.midnightbsd.org/news/
15:45 TR Bot; MidnightBSD News
15:46 TR News; "The delay in the release has been due to issues with several mports. We're still working through those problems, but one can't ship a desktop OS without a working desktop." https://www.justjournal.com/users/mbsd/entry/33916
15:46 TR Bot; MidnightBSD Developer Journal
15:47 TR News; xvidtune 1.0.4 https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2023-February/003319.html
15:47 TR Bot; [ANNOUNCE] xvidtune 1.0.4
15:48 TR News; Chinas power in Asia diminished by Covid-zero, study shows https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/china-s-power-in-asia-diminished-by-covid-zero-study-shows
15:48 TR Bot; Chinas power in Asia diminished by Covid-zero, study shows | The Straits Times
15:48 TR News; Linux powered https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/india-launches-home-grown-mobile-os-to-rival-android
15:48 TR Bot; India launches home-grown mobile OS to rival Android | The Straits Times
15:54 TR News; She WAS the system www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-02-05/it-wasnt-me-ex-uk-pm-truss-blames-system-for-her-failure
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16:17 TR News; "Sunday's agreement is expected to speed up salary negotiations in other sectors." https://yle.fi/a/74-20016474?origin=rss
16:17 TR Bot; Industrial sector gets new pay deal | News | Yle Uutiset
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:26 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/23011546
16:26 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living /p/23011546
16:33 TR News; "The traditional way to do a VPN is that your VPN endpoint ('server') is the single point of entry for all traffic from VPN clients" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/VPNMeshAppeal | Source: University of Toronto
16:33 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/VPNMeshAppeal
16:33 TR News; "So for real anonymity, dont create a mystery. Create a believable persona. Then nobody will wonder." https://sive.rs/anon | Source: Derek Sivers
16:33 TR Bot; Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery. | Derek Sivers
16:34 TR News; "Universities are not one of those places." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/UniversityPeopleWantOurIPs | Source: University of Toronto
16:34 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/UniversityPeopleWantOurIPs
16:35 TR News; "The drive had some data from a relative who passed away, so I was keen to read it." https://www.markhansen.co.nz/short-circuited-external-disk-recovery/ | Source: Mark Hansen
16:35 TR Bot; Short-Circuited External Disk Recovery
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16:36 TR News; "From the Mac OSX release history, Mac OSX versions appear to be supported for three years, so in three years, my bc should be in the majority of Mac OSX installs" https://gavinhoward.com/2023/02/my-code-conquered-another-os/ | Source: Gavin Howard
16:36 TR Bot; My Code Conquered Another OS! | Gavin D. Howard
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16:37 TR News; "How do we square this circle? By heading back to the server (Swiss basement not required)." https://deno.com/blog/the-future-and-past-is-server-side-rendering | Source: Deno Land Inc
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16:37 TR Bot; The Future (and the Past) of the Web is Server Side Rendering
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16:37 TR News; "On December 14th, 2022, in collaboration with technologists on team CTO and attorneys in BCP" https://www.ftc.gov/policy/advocacy-research/tech-at-ftc/2023/02/security-principles-addressing-underlying-causes-risk-complex-systems | Source: Federal Trade Commission
16:37 TR Bot; Security Principles: Addressing underlying causes of risk in complex systems | Federal Trade Commission
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16:38 TR News; "In other words: a format that is lossy, simple and quite ok. Naturally, it's called QOA the Quite OK Audio Format" https://phoboslab.org/log/2023/02/qoa-time-domain-audio-compression | Source: Dominic Szablewski
16:38 TR Bot; PhobosLab
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16:39 TR News; "Itll be even better in the coming years because data #interoperability via FHIR will let apps and hospitals go GET the data" https://enews.com.ng/2023/02/with-access-to-my-records-i-took-my-business-elsewhere-the-health-care-blog/ | Source: Enews Nigeria
16:39 TR Bot; With Access To My Records, I Took My Business Elsewhere The Health Care Blog
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16:40 TR News; "Twitter will no longer provide free access to the Twitter API from February 9th." https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23582615/twitter-removing-free-api-developer-apps-price-announcement | Source: The Verge
16:40 TR Bot; Twitter to remove free API access in latest money making quest - The Verge
16:41 TR News; "[Attackers] are spreading malicious installers by leveraging KoiVM virtualisation technology that enables malware to evade detection when installing it." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/big-data/how-hackers-are-using-google-ads-network-to-steal-users-data/97583570 | Source: India Times
16:41 TR Bot; How hackers are using Google ads network to steal users data, CIO News, ET CIO
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16:42 TR News; "The script requires that you have the openssl and curl utilities available to your shell environment." https://www.madboa.com/blog/2023/02/03/certificate-info/ | Source: Paul Heinlein
16:42 TR Bot; Viewing Remote SSL Certificate Info
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16:43 TR News; "The original proposal is already pretty bad, but the changes by the Council of the European Union make it much, much worse." https://maxim.tips/worse-chatcontrol/ | Source: Maxim Tips
16:43 TR Bot; Chatcontrol is getting worse - Maxim's Blog
16:44 TR News; "In May 2022, the European Commission presented its proposal for a Regulation to combat child sexual abuse (CSA) online." https://edri.org/our-work/member-states-want-internet-service-providers-to-do-the-impossible-in-the-fight-against-child-sexual-abuse/ | Source: EDRI
16:44 TR Bot; Member States want internet service providers to do the impossible in the fight against child sexual abuse - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
16:44 TR News; "The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) said Wikipedia failed to comply with its ultimatum" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-64523501 | Source: BBC
16:44 TR Bot; Pakistan blocks Wikipedia for 'blasphemous content' - BBC News
16:45 TR News; "CNET built a trusted brand for tech reporting over two decades." https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23582046/cnet-red-ventures-ai-seo-advertisers-changed-reviews-editorial-independence-affiliate-marketing | Source: The Verge
16:45 TR Bot; CNET pushed reporters to be more favorable to advertisers, staffers say - The Verge
16:46 TR News; "Network company Nokia and the VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland have recently topped patent application lists" https://yle.fi/a/74-20016460 | Source: YLE
16:46 TR Bot; Finnish patent filings drop | News | Yle Uutiset
16:46 TR News; "Itll be even better in the coming years because data #interoperability via FHIR will let apps and hospitals go GET the data" https://enews.com.ng/2023/02/with-access-to-my-records-i-took-my-business-elsewhere-the-health-care-blog/ | Source: Enews Nigeria
16:48 TR News; teachers https://truthout.org/articles/how-chicago-teachers-stopped-a-toxic-polluter-from-poisoning-their-students/ | Source: TruthOut
16:48 TR Bot; How Chicago Teachers Stopped a Toxic Polluter From Poisoning Their Students - Truthout
16:50 TR News; nader https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/05/ralph-nader-the-progenitor-of-inequalities-corporate-personhood-vs-human-beings/ | Source: Scheerpost
16:50 TR Bot; Nader: The Progenitor of Inequalities Corporate Personhood vs. Human Beings - scheerpost.com
16:50 TR News; "mega strike" https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/05/british-mega-strike-half-a-million-workers-bring-uk-to-a-halt-and-protest-government/ | Source: Scheerpost
16:50 TR Bot; Mega Strike: Half a Million Workers Bring UK to a Halt and Protest Government - scheerpost.com
16:54 TR News; "ChatGPT has sent shockwaves through higher education, creating a moral panic about the threat that artificial intelligence (AI) poses to the classroom." https://www.projectcensored.org/stfu-about-chatgpt/ | Source: Project Censored
16:54 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/stfu-about-chatgpt/ )
16:55 TR News; "According to Mr. Longs application for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction to protect his rights and his life while the case proceeds..." https://papersplease.org/wp/2023/02/04/a-blacklist-is-not-a-basis-for-search-or-seizure/ | Source: Papers Please
16:55 TR Bot; A blacklist is not a basis for search or seizure Papers, Please!
16:56 TR News; Microsoft = CENSORSHIP MACHINE. "Last month, GitHub disabled the website of a Pirate Bay proxy information portal after receiving a DMCA notice from City of London Police." https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-proxy-defeats-polices-github-takedown-with-dmca-counternotice-230204/ | Source: Torrent Freak
16:56 TR Bot; Bay Proxy Defeats Police's GitHub Takedown with DMCA Counternotice * TorrentFreak
16:57 TR News; How To Install GoldenDict with English-Indonesian on Ubuntu for Language Education https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2023/02/how-to-install-goldendict-with-english-indonesian-on-ubuntu-for-language-education.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
16:57 TR Bot; How To Install GoldenDict with English-Indonesian on Ubuntu for Language Education
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17:00 TR News; inequality https://truthout.org/articles/massive-inequality-is-a-concerted-elite-class-project-says-heather-gautney/ | Source: TruthOut
17:00 TR Bot; Massive Inequality Is a Concerted Elite Class Project, Says Heather Gautney - Truthout
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17:03 TR News; schools https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/05/a-colossal-giveaway-a-tax-break-for-big-polluters-is-also-starving-public-schools-in-texas/ | Source: Scheerpost
17:03 TR Bot; Colossal Giveaway: A Tax Break for Big Polluters Is Also Starving Public Schools in Texas - scheerpost.com
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17:08 TR News; "It turns out that typing all day just might be bad for your hands and fingers." https://hackaday.com/2023/02/04/fulcrum-foils-finger-fatigue/ | Source: Hackaday
17:08 TR Bot; Foils Finger Fatigue | Hackaday
17:08 TR News; "A computing platform is never really dead unless people stop developing new software for it." https://hackaday.com/2023/02/04/the-wic64-brings-classic-commodores-online-google-maps-included/ | Source: Hackaday
17:08 TR Bot; WiC64 Brings Classic Commodores Online, Google Maps Included | Hackaday
17:11 TR News; "increasing shift to remote work in higher education" https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/04/the-professional-managerial-class-strikes-back/ | Source: Scheerpost
17:11 TR Bot; Professional Managerial Class Strikes Back! - scheerpost.com
17:13 TR News; "The fonts seen with old computer systems such as those from Apple and Commodore" https://hackaday.com/2023/02/04/reliving-a-bitmapped-past-with-a-veritable-hoard-of-bitmap-fonts/ | Source: Hackaday
17:13 TR Bot; A Bitmapped Past With A Veritable Hoard Of Bitmap Fonts | Hackaday
17:14 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22122139
17:14 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living /p/22122139
17:14 TR News; "When a vintage computer is all but unobtanium, software emulation is often all that remains." https://hackaday.com/2023/02/04/mcm-70-replica-embodies-proud-canadian-heritage/ | Source: Hackaday
17:14 TR Bot; Replica Embodies Proud Canadian Heritage | Hackaday
17:15 TR News; Inflation Reduction Act https://www.commondreams.org/news/white-house-says-gop-bill-would-force-one-of-the-biggest-medicare-benefit-cuts-in-us-history | Source: Common Dreams
17:15 TR Bot; White House Says GOP Bill Would Force 'One of the Biggest Medicare Benefit Cuts' in US History
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
17:20 psydruid; "Keep quiet, you are not special! To us European sell-outs only our American sponsors are important. Thank you very much and we welcome you to the next FUKDEM!"
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17:25 schestowitz[TR2]; don't crticiise ICBM either
17:25 schestowitz[TR2]; ICBM is important to Europe
17:25 schestowitz[TR2]; it helps Hitler
17:25 schestowitz[TR2]; and profits from it
17:25 schestowitz[TR2]; Love, SFC
17:26 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/outreachy-funding/
17:26 TR Bot; Diversity Funding From Enablers of Adolf Hitler (Not a Joke, Not Even Funny) | Techrights
17:27 schestowitz[TR2]; SFC: http://techrights.org/2021/02/08/fosdem-ibm-gag/
17:27 TR Bot; FOSDEM and Free Speech: Will It Blend? | Techrights
17:27 schestowitz[TR2]; cannot criticise their sponsors
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17:36 AdmFubar; so did a lot of companies in wwII
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17:51 AdmFubar; https://www.ghacks.net/2023/02/04/chatgpt-is-used-by-cybercriminals-to-write-better-phishing-emails/
17:51 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.ghacks.net/2023/02/04/chatgpt-is-used-by-cybercriminals-to-write-better-phishing-emails/ )
17:52 AdmFubar; :)) m$'s own ads are bad for their users!!! https://www.ghacks.net/2023/02/04/microsoft-365-ad-blocks-windows-10-desktop-access-for-some-users/
17:52 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.ghacks.net/2023/02/04/microsoft-365-ad-blocks-windows-10-desktop-access-for-some-users/ )
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18:18 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/23011450
18:18 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living /p/23011450
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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19:23 AdmFubar; https://hackaday.com/2023/02/04/copyright-data-but-do-it-right/
19:23 TR Bot; Data, But Do It Right | Hackaday
19:39 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/23011430
19:39 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living /p/23011430
20:12 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMLq7ZcHLuo
20:12 TR Bot; https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=YMLq7ZcHLuo
20:12 TR Bot; vid.puffyan.us | r/Onejob | cant wait for WW12! - Invidious
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-02-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:46 AdmFubar; https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/facebook-fires-worker-who-refused-to-do-negative-testing-awsuit/
20:46 TR Bot; Facebook fires worker who refused to do 'negative testing': 'awsuit
20:48 AdmFubar; now with moar!!! ;) https://slashdot.org/story/23/02/03/1749202/the-newest-feature-in-the-microsoft-store-is-more-ads
20:48 TR Bot; The Newest Feature in the Microsoft Store is More Ads - Slashdot
20:49 psydruid; I hope Facebook fires all workers
20:49 psydruid; so there is no one to do any work anymore and the site shuts down
20:50 psydruid; those aren't real jobs anyway
20:50 psydruid; and if there are any they're for doing malicious things
20:50 psydruid; so no good for mankind
20:51 MinceR; (cat) https://www.deviantart.com/arkus83/art/Tycoon-946395549
20:51 TR Bot; by Arkus83 on DeviantArt
20:53 AdmFubar; they will soon be able to replace just about all workers with ChatGPT
20:55 bagira; chatgpt is indeed impressive but i dont think itll be replacing much in the near future
20:56 bagira; its got too many builtin limitations that prevent it from being able to do that
20:56 bagira; and, it's centralized
20:56 bagira; it wont scale
20:56 bagira; despite the great marketing
20:57 bagira; a competitor product might replace everything
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21:05 MinceR; and its output is unreliable
21:05 MinceR; all it can do is produce plausible-looking text that could be correct or it could be bunk
21:11 psydruid; but that's a good thing
21:11 psydruid; I hope they will use it to fire lots of people at M$
21:11 MinceR; :)
21:12 MinceR; unfortunately, mafias like MICROS~1 and dehomag don't really _need_ to have lots of people employed
21:12 MinceR; they've sunk their tentacles into other people's projects (like Linux) already
21:12 MinceR; they've made close connections with various states
21:12 psydruid; I'm fine with that too
21:13 MinceR; you won't like it so much once you find out what its consequences are :>
21:13 psydruid; it only means free software needs to go back to its roots and create new community projects
21:13 MinceR; yeah
21:13 psydruid; real communities
21:13 MinceR; and the community needs to learn from this
21:13 MinceR; and never trust anyone in a suit ever again
21:14 bagira; in brighter news ive fixed a long standing bug that's been a blocker for the creation of surro linux (eventually to be renamed)
21:14 MinceR; what was the bug in?
21:15 bagira; there was an issue with subprocess i/o routing that impacted curses dialogs in rex, the engine that automates the whole process
21:15 bagira; i still need to polish the subprocess execution piece and then merge it into rex but it is in progress and performs quite well now
21:16 bagira; just needed time to research it
21:17 bagira; i only get time to do long work sessions on my own stuff these days when i take a vacation
21:17 bagira; it is not a revelation that the new distro is here, but more of a blocker finally moving out of the way
21:17 bagira; if i had more people and some VC this process would move much faster
21:19 bagira; but, in a way, it ending up like this is good because i means i can patrick volkerding it when it finally releases unless something changes
21:19 AdmFubar; so in other words no real change in bing results?? :P
21:20 bagira; yep
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21:20 AdmFubar; my point exactly
21:20 bagira; its not ready for much yet
21:20 bagira; besides to move forward again
21:21 AdmFubar; remember if m$ wants it has to be bad...
21:22 bagira; i wont be talking much about that in regards to that project because of what that project is intended to do
21:23 bagira; i am highly resistant to being targeted but that doesn't mean i would enjoy it :P
21:24 bagira; ill just say that it's unlikely ill become a billionaire from my efforts there
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21:33 MinceR; bng results go from irrelevant to possibly made up and irrelevant
21:51 bagira; it's never relevant until it is, unless you have marketers
21:52 bagira; as to making things up, that's never been my cup of tea. i do alot with a little.
21:53 MinceR; chatgupta seems to be pretty good at it
21:59 bagira; MinceR, I was impressed: https://ibb.co/Hgn59Sk
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22:44 DaemonFC; https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/26/tech/chatgpt-passes-exams/index.html
22:44 TR Bot; ChatGPT passes exams from law and business schools | CNN Business
22:44 DaemonFC; LOL
22:44 DaemonFC; "To test how well ChatGPT could generate answers on exams for the four courses, professors at the University of Minnesota Law School recently graded the tests blindly. After completing 95 multiple choice questions and 12 essay questions, the bot performed on average at the level of a C+ student, achieving a low but passing grade in all four courses."
22:44 DaemonFC; "ChatGPT fared better during a business management course exam at Wharton, where it earned a B to B- grade. In a paper detailing the performance, Christian Terwiesch, a Wharton business professor, said ChatGPT did an amazing job at answering basic operations management and process-analysis questions but struggled with more advanced prompts and made surprising mistakes with basic math.
22:44 DaemonFC; These mistakes can be massive in magnitude, he wrote."
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
23:02 DaemonFC; Me: How does Reddit make sure adult content is legal?
23:02 DaemonFC; ChatGPT: Reddit has policies and guidelines that prohibit illegal content, including sexually explicit or suggestive material. They enforce these policies through a combination of automated filters, human moderators, and user reports. Reddit may also comply with law enforcement requests to remove illegal content. However, it's important to note that enforcing these policies can be difficult and Reddit does not guarantee the legality of all
23:02 DaemonFC; content posted on the site.
23:02 DaemonFC; Me: So basically it doesn't care because Section 230 protects them as long as they remove it if they become aware of it.
23:02 DaemonFC; ChatGPT: That's correct. As a website operator, Reddit has immunity from liability for the user-generated content that is posted on its platform, as long as it acts in good faith to remove any illegal or infringing content that it becomes aware of. This immunity is provided by Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which is a federal law in the United States. However, Reddit still has a responsibility to take reasonable steps to remove
23:02 DaemonFC; illegal or infringing content, and failure to do so could result in liability.
23:03 bagira; how is 4chan protected by that
23:04 DaemonFC; Me: Does anything protect users who have seen inappropriate material from being prosecuted if it was on Reddit and Reddit has complied with Section 230?
23:04 DaemonFC; ChatGPT: No, users who view or share illegal content are not protected by Section 230 or any similar law. Section 230 only protects online intermediaries like Reddit from being held liable for the actions of their users. Viewing or sharing illegal content can still result in criminal charges for the user, regardless of whether the content was hosted on a website protected by Section 230 or not. It is important to exercise caution and to always
23:04 DaemonFC; follow the law when using the internet.
23:04 DaemonFC; Me: Even if the person who loaded such content in a browser was totally unaware of that illegality?
23:05 DaemonFC; ChatGPT: In the United States, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act generally provides immunity for websites like Reddit for third-party content posted on their platform. This means that, as a user, you are generally protected from criminal or civil liability for viewing illegal content that you did not know was illegal and that was posted by someone else. However, it's important to note that there are some exceptions to Section 230
23:05 DaemonFC; immunity, such as in cases involving federal criminal law, intellectual property law, and other specific laws. Additionally, Section 230 only applies in the US, and different countries may have different laws and protections regarding online content.
23:06 DaemonFC; Me: So a person casually browsing Reddit who accidentally loads such material could be logged by Reddit and then find themselves the subject of criminal proceedings for unintentional violations of federal law?
23:06 DaemonFC; ChatGPT: In theory, it's possible that someone who accidentally views illegal adult content on Reddit could be subject to prosecution, however, the likelihood of that happening is low. It's important to note that law enforcement would have to prove that the person knowingly and intentionally viewed the illegal material, which can be difficult to do in a casual browsing scenario. Additionally, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act
23:06 DaemonFC; provides protection for websites like Reddit, so they would not be held liable for the actions of their users.
23:07 DaemonFC; Me: In theory, if a user ended up in this situation and later deleted browsing history for whatever reason, could they be charged with Obstruction under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act?
23:07 DaemonFC; ChatGPT: In theory, it is possible for a person to be charged with Obstruction under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act for deleting browsing history that relates to illegal activity. However, such a charge would be difficult to prove and would likely require additional evidence beyond just the deletion of the browsing history. Additionally, the applicability of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act in this context would depend on the specific circumstances and the law
23:07 DaemonFC; enforcement agencies involved. It's important to note that the Sarbanes-Oxley Act was enacted primarily in response to accounting fraud and financial reporting abuses by corporations, and it's not clear how the act would apply to the average person's browsing history.
23:07 DaemonFC; LOL
23:07 DaemonFC; <bagira> how is 4chan protected by that
23:07 DaemonFC; They're an online service provider same as Reddit.
23:07 DaemonFC; But it wouldn't protect anyone who has seen it.
23:08 bagira; yeah what doesn't make sense is that immunity from liability is a result of reddit removing content when they become aware of it
23:08 bagira; 4chan doesn't do that afaict
23:08 h4unt3d; a chatbot isn't anything innovative, it seems someone had invested giant amounts of money into infrastructure to process giant text data bases
23:08 DaemonFC; Reddit knows what you view and who you are because (1) You're logged in, (2) they retain your IP addresses that you've used with the account, and (3) if feds came snooping around, they could just hand over everyone who has seen this content.
23:09 h4unt3d; although, i would be curious, how ChatGPT could push to the level of quality seen
23:10 h4unt3d; some basic building block, is the inverse function of a search engine, which suggests "did you mean"
23:11 h4unt3d; and i suspect, pre-generated text-blocks exist, a giant amount of document-corpus, to match against
23:11 bagira; that poem i had generated appears to be an entirely original work of art
23:12 h4unt3d; missed the poem
23:12 bagira; h4unt3d: https://ibb.co/Hgn59Sk
23:12 TR Bot; Screenshot-2023-02-05-00-47-53 hosted at ImgBB ImgBB
23:12 h4unt3d; to put ChatGPT to test, something completely out-of-context had to be asked
23:14 h4unt3d; such as: "what is an alternative approach to heisenbergs uncertainty principle, to avoid the mis-conception of the planck quantum"
23:14 h4unt3d; in theory, ChatGPT may build some text-blocks, which is highly sophisticated with it, no doubt, yet it can't if there wasn't some pre-generated text-corpus for such a question
23:15 h4unt3d; bagira: is it easily possible for you to post this question to ChatGPT?
23:16 bagira; h4unt3d, what do you mean
23:16 h4unt3d; i mean i would be curious what ChatGPT could answer to such a question, it may not have encountered before, nor got a relevant pre-generated text-corpus available for
23:16 bagira; what question
23:17 bagira; oh missed in your earlier message
23:17 h4unt3d; 2023-02-05 23:14:03 <h4unt3d> such as: "what is an alternative approach to heisenbergs uncertainty principle, to avoid the mis-conception of the planck quantum"
23:17 bagira; yeah it's pretty good at that, alarmingly good
23:17 bagira; last night i had a nigh-holodeck experience watching it narrate a debate between Alexander the Great and Plato about the nature of strength.
23:18 bagira; It was like being on star trek.
23:19 h4unt3d; you could read a good book too, chatgpt scrapes from for you
23:19 bagira; it's alarmingly good at building threat models for target profiles too
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23:20 MinceR; it just needs to be supervised by someone who is already good at that
23:20 bagira; it has some ethical safeguards so it tries to resist answering on adversarial models but if you ask in the right way it'll very systematically define a threat model with a profile you define
23:20 h4unt3d; it's overrated, and dangerous, and unnecessary too
23:20 bagira; it's very very good at the high level
23:20 bagira; it's less good at the low level
23:21 bagira; as long as you can roughly traverse the abstractions you can do some cool things with it
23:21 h4unt3d; obviously the algorithms can, 1) identify many relevant books and then 2) skim those for you, and 3) construct the text-blocks... this is what ChatGPT does
23:22 bagira; its doing a little more than that
23:22 bagira; the next version will be an order of magnitude better too
23:22 MinceR; it was on the brochure, it has got to be true
23:23 bagira; nah there are technical drivers
23:23 h4unt3d; i see little to no relevant progress, ordinary search engines and wikipedia existed before, and ChatGPT builds upon that
23:23 bagira; well, try to use your imagination a little harder
23:24 h4unt3d; in essence, this is what ChatGPT does, in comparison to some other use-case
23:24 bagira; ive had it for a day and unblocked 3 of my projects that i couldn't with just google
23:24 h4unt3d; such as, sorting emails into pre-defined mailboxes, which got a filter-criteria set, and emails routed into those automatically
23:25 h4unt3d; this is what ChatGPT does, the query routing obviously is more sophisticated, and must depend on GIGANTIC text-corpus to match against
23:25 MinceR; or it was just trained with a gigantic text corpus
23:25 bagira; its generated content is disturbingly relevant to be just that
23:26 h4unt3d; i think, this ChatGPT doesn't at least build upon traditional neural network perceptrons (which is what's referred to with traditional AI)
23:26 MinceR; no, it has more layers
23:26 MinceR; "deep learning" is all the rage
23:26 h4unt3d; it's not an "AI", it is a "natural language processing" system, a sophisticated, but it's not AI and it is probably not any of the learning algorithms involved either
23:27 bagira; if the next version is what it claims to be ill probably build an "alexa"-esque kiosk with voice recognition and text to speech for the house
23:27 h4unt3d; i had not seen any such system before, except the one i programmed myself, year 2016, which wasn't that capable, but nonetheless, the principle was the same
23:27 MinceR; "Natural language processing (NLP) is an interdisciplinary subfield of linguistics, computer science, and artificial intelligence"
23:27 MinceR; emphasis mine
23:28 h4unt3d; depends on the defintion of AI, if it excludes neural network perceptrons, then it is not traditional AI
23:28 MinceR; why would it exclude perceptrons?
23:28 h4unt3d; because, i think, those are not suitable for what ChatGPT does
23:29 MinceR; are you familiar with the concept of subclasses and subsets?
23:29 h4unt3d; anyway, if you signed up for ChatGPT, could you do me a favor and ask the question i proposed?
23:29 h4unt3d; "what is an alternative approach to heisenbergs uncertainty principle, to avoid the mis-conception of the planck quantum?"
23:31 bagira; sign up for it yourself, nobody here is your PA
23:32 h4unt3d; of cause not, yet it may have been interesting for everyone, to see how smart ChatGTP really was.
23:32 h4unt3d; if at least one plausible sentence could be excreted by that thing.
23:33 bagira; your comments reflect that you haven't tested it
23:33 bagira; it's genuinely impressive
23:33 h4unt3d; it is just, there isn't any book or text available, chatgpt could copy-paste from
23:33 bagira; it's not
23:33 h4unt3d; bagira: i had programmed such a system for nlp myself while ago, that's why i am curious
23:34 bagira; i view it as a milestone innovation for that whole field
23:35 bagira; i also think if someone replicated it without the safety features they baked in that it would be an extremely dangerous product
23:35 h4unt3d; then it deserved appropriate scientific criticism, hence, let me see what ChatGPT has to say
23:35 MinceR; if someone replicated it as free software, it could be a good starting point
23:35 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I was reverse engineering the police interview of Rick Jones using ChatGPT.
23:35 h4unt3d; ChatGPT: "what is an alternative approach to heisenbergs uncertainty principle, to avoid the mis-conception of the planck quantum?"
23:35 DaemonFC; Notice they didn't go into a plea deal with him.
23:35 MinceR; but the only thing "open" about it is part of the domain
23:35 h4unt3d; i mean, ChatGPT, could at least say something? couldn't it?
23:35 DaemonFC; They didn't need to. The detective gathered a confession and evidence of guilty mind.
23:36 DaemonFC; Odds are he would have been punished even less than he was had he shut up.
23:36 DaemonFC; Or tested the "free to leave" theory.
23:36 h4unt3d; garbage-in garbage-out
23:37 DaemonFC; It's generally best to ask if you're free to leave and then if they say yes, to force the issue immediately.
23:37 DaemonFC; If you get arrested anyway, ask for an attorney.
23:37 DaemonFC; If you don't, then walk away from it and immediately consult an attorney.
23:37 DaemonFC; But don't agree to any interviews or questions.
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23:57 h4unt3d; i see, when ChatGPT receives many requests, the servers can't handle those
23:58 h4unt3d; little surprising, since the matching algorithms are extremely expensive, to scrape text blocks from gigantic data bases
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