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15:14 *Now talking on #techbytes

15:14 *Topic for #techbytes is: Welcome to the official channel of the TechBytes Audiocast

15:14 *Topic for #techbytes set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:21:34 2021

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15:41 schestowitz; Europa Mail

15:41 schestowitz; European Commission

15:41 schestowitz;

15:41 schestowitz; Have your say

15:41 schestowitz; Dear Sir or Madam,

15:41 schestowitz; Several initiatives have been published or updated on the European Commission's 'Have your say' portal:

15:41 schestowitz; Feedback opportunities.

15:41 schestowitz; Title Topic Deadline Action

15:41 schestowitz; Draft Act

15:41 schestowitz; Certificate of conformity secure online data exchange (means and requirements) <https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13436-Certificate-of-conformity-secure-online-data-exchange-means-and-requirements-_en> Single market

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15:41 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

15:41 schestowitz; 21/11/2022 Published for feedback

15:41 schestowitz; Call for evidence

15:41 schestowitz; Periodic evaluation of the implementation of Regulation (EU) 2017/1001 on the European Union trade mark <https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13629-Periodic-evaluation-of-the-implementation-of-Regulation-EU-2017-1001-on-the-European-Union-trade-mark_en> Single market

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15:41 schestowitz; 05/12/2022 Published for feedback

15:41 schestowitz; Commission adoption

15:41 schestowitz; Tourist services short-term rental initiative <https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13108-Tourist-services-short-term-rental-initiative_en> Single market

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15:41 schestowitz; 03/01/2023 Published for feedback

15:41 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

15:41 schestowitz; For your information: events that do not open a feedback opportunity.

15:41 schestowitz; Title Topic Action

15:41 schestowitz; Public consultation

15:41 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

15:41 schestowitz; Intellectual property new framework for standard-essential patents <https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13109-Intellectual-property-new-framework-for-standard-essential-patents_en> Single market

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15:41 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

15:41 schestowitz; Planned feedback period updated

15:41 schestowitz; Call for evidence

15:41 schestowitz; Single market Proposal for a legislative initiative on cross-border activities of associations <https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13538-Single-market-Proposal-for-a-legislative-initiative-on-cross-border-activities-of-associations_en> Single market

↺ https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13538-Single-market-Proposal-for-a-legislative-initiative-on-cross-border-activities-of-associations_en>

15:41 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

15:41 schestowitz; Feedback period extended

15:41 schestowitz; Commission adoption

15:41 schestowitz; Preventing money laundering and terrorist financing EU rules on public-private partnerships (PPPs) <https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13152-Preventing-money-laundering-and-terrorist-financing-EU-rules-on-public-private-partnerships-PPPs-_en> Single market

↺ https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13152-Preventing-money-laundering-and-terrorist-financing-EU-rules-on-public-private-partnerships-PPPs-_en>

15:41 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

15:41 schestowitz; Published for information

15:41 schestowitz; To consult all the existing initiatives please visit the portal:

15:41 schestowitz; https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say_en <https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say_en>

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15:41 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

15:41 schestowitz; This is an automatic notification message. Please do not reply to it.

15:41 schestowitz; With kind regards,

15:41 schestowitz; *European Commission *

15:41 schestowitz; Secretariat-General

15:41 schestowitz; You can change your subscription preferences online:

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15:44 schestowitz; > There might be a big breakthrough coming.

15:44 schestowitz; >

15:44 schestowitz; > I've just been in touch with Russell, the man who runs the Corporate

15:44 schestowitz; > Crime Reporter https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/subscribe/

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15:44 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.corporatecrimereporter.com | About/Subscribe

15:44 schestowitz; > <https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/subscribe/>.

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15:44 schestowitz; >

15:44 schestowitz; > He's very interested in my fight with the USPTO.

15:44 schestowitz; >

15:44 schestowitz; > He's a friend of Ralph Nader. You might know him for his political

15:44 schestowitz; > campaign, but he has been very famous in the US for about 60 years for

15:44 schestowitz; > advocating for personal rights, safety and health issues, etc.

15:44 schestowitz; >

15:44 schestowitz; > Anyway, Ralph doesn't like computers - he does everything by typewriter

15:44 schestowitz; > and paper - so the matter of Kappos charging $200 for people using paper

15:44 schestowitz; > at the USPTO is perfect for Ralph.

15:44 schestowitz; >

15:44 schestowitz; > Russell told me that he and Ralph have started a new publication that

15:44 schestowitz; > they send to every member of Congress, and he told me that he would

15:44 schestowitz; > write up my story and include it in the January edition.

15:44 schestowitz; >

15:44 schestowitz; > Also, I dug up the USPTO Today magazine that boasted about their new

15:44 schestowitz; > headquarters. Look at how amazingly fast and efficient everything was

15:45 schestowitz; > supposed to be.

15:45 schestowitz; >

15:45 schestowitz; > What I always remember, though, is that it is in a place called Old Town

15:45 schestowitz; > Alexandria, which is an expensive area where no government office should

15:45 schestowitz; > be located.

15:45 schestowitz; It's good news that your grievances may get more attention.

15:45 schestowitz; I'm a longtime follower of Nader. He's mentioned like 1000 times in Techrights. He rarely talks about patents.

15:47 schestowitz; --------

15:47 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,

15:47 schestowitz; > I'm also afraid the reply would be useless, so I'll spare myself the bother. Hope you understand.

15:47 schestowitz; > Best regards

15:47 schestowitz; Yes, I understand entirely.

15:47 schestowitz; Thanks for what you've done so far.

15:47 schestowitz; Potentially of interest, last night: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/

↺ http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/

15:47 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO management fails to allow mass emails, despite ILOAT judgment - Kluwer Patent Blog

15:47 schestowitz; Regards,


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16:55 schestowitz; -------

16:55 schestowitz; > I've been a Nader fan for decades - from the very beginning - and used

16:55 schestowitz; > to listen to his podcasts every week, and he talks a lot about his

16:55 schestowitz; > advocacy for paper and the postal system, and I actually tried to

16:55 schestowitz; > contact him many times in every way possible, and never got through. A

16:55 schestowitz; > year or so ago, I got so angry that I stopped listening to his podcast.

16:55 schestowitz; >

16:55 schestowitz; > It was just serendipity that I got in touch with Russell Mokhiber. I

16:55 schestowitz; > found a link on another website.

16:55 schestowitz; >

16:55 schestowitz; > Of course, I focused on the paper issue - that's Ralph's issue - but I

16:55 schestowitz; > did, also, get into the DOCX nonsense. I wrote this (a few typos and

16:55 schestowitz; > wording errors/omissions):

16:55 schestowitz; >

16:55 schestowitz; > /It has gotten worse, with the USPTO now trying to force every

16:55 schestowitz; > patent application filer to use a proprietary Microsoft program

16:55 schestowitz; > called DOCX, and their plan it to introduce and "incentive" penalty

16:55 schestowitz; > for people who use pdfs./

16:55 schestowitz; >

16:55 schestowitz; > /

16:55 schestowitz; > /

16:56 schestowitz; >

16:56 schestowitz; > /Paper - ubiquitous in some form for millennia - not allowed at the

16:56 schestowitz; > USPTO. Pdfs - ubiquitous since the earliest days of the computer age

16:56 schestowitz; > - soon to not be allowed at the USPTO./

16:56 schestowitz; > /

16:56 schestowitz; > /

16:56 schestowitz; > /Only thing allowed: DOCX, a Microsoft product. The largest and

16:56 schestowitz; > most important - I suppose, still - requiring patent application

16:56 schestowitz; > filers all around the world to use Microsoft, thanks to David

16:56 schestowitz; > Kappos. And, it all started with his punishment of people who use

16:56 schestowitz; > paper and the US Postal Service. Maybe because they have to, and

16:56 schestowitz; > can't use the internet, of course./

16:56 schestowitz; >

16:56 schestowitz; >

16:56 schestowitz; > Have to wait and see what happens.


5 PM, November 8

17:22 schestowitz; https://www.fosslife.org/preparing-post-quantum-cryptographyhttps://www.fosslife.org/preparing-post-quantum-cryptography

↺ https://www.fosslife.org/preparing-post-quantum-cryptographyhttps://www.fosslife.org/preparing-post-quantum-cryptography

17:22 schestowitz; "

17:22 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://www.fosslife.org/preparing-post-quantum-cryptographyhttps://www.fosslife.org/preparing-post-quantum-cryptography )

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17:22 schestowitz; Scientists generally agree that quantum computers will be able to break widely used public-key cryptographic schemes when they come into being, says the European Union Agency for Cybersecurity (ENISA).

17:22 schestowitz; The transition to quantum-resistant cryptographic algorithms is expected to take years due to the complex processes and financial costs, ENISA notes. However, governments and organizations need to anticipate the rise of quantum capabilities and prepare for resulting changes.

17:22 schestowitz; A new report from ENISA answers the difficult questions raised by post-quantum cryptography in order to make sure we will avoid jeopardising today's public key cryptosystems, e-commerce, digital signatures, electronic identities, etc.

17:22 schestowitz; "

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17:57 schestowitz; > I also sent the video that you did. Don't know if Ralph will look at

17:57 schestowitz; > it, but somebody probably will, and maybe it will get some circulation

17:57 schestowitz; > in DC.

17:57 schestowitz; >

17:57 schestowitz; > /I have so so much I could send, but a good starting point is:/

17:57 schestowitz; >

17:57 schestowitz; > * /my bar complaint against Kappos -

17:57 schestowitz; > http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Bar-complaint-David-Kappos.pdf <http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Bar-complaint-David-Kappos.pdf>/

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Bar-complaint-David-Kappos.pdf

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Bar-complaint-David-Kappos.pdf>/

17:57 schestowitz; > * /this Techrights video, in which I am the inventor he discusses at

17:57 schestowitz; > about 5:00 -

17:57 schestowitz; > http://techrights.org/2021/08/18/uspto-revolving-doors-kappos-iancu/

http://techrights.org/2021/08/18/uspto-revolving-doors-kappos-iancu/

17:57 schestowitz; > <http://techrights.org/2021/08/18/uspto-revolving-doors-kappos-iancu/>/

http://techrights.org/2021/08/18/uspto-revolving-doors-kappos-iancu/>/

17:57 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | U.S. Patent and Trademark Office Has a Deep Revolving Doors Crisis (Former Officials Cashing in as Lobbyists and Private Sector Actors) | Techrights

17:57 schestowitz; > * /this article entitled: David Kappos war on poor people, and his

17:57 schestowitz; > indifference to broader public interest reforms

17:58 schestowitz; > https://www.keionline.org/22074 <https://www.keionline.org/22074>/

↺ https://www.keionline.org/22074

↺ https://www.keionline.org/22074>/

17:58 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.keionline.org | David Kappos' war on poor people, and his indifference to broader public interest reforms


6 PM, November 8

18:24 schestowitz; http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/

↺ http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/

18:24 schestowitz; "

18:24 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO management fails to allow mass emails, despite ILOAT judgment - Kluwer Patent Blog

18:24 schestowitz; The EPO is worse than Musk not tolerating workers unions at Tesla.

18:24 schestowitz; REPLY

18:24 schestowitz; Concerned observer

18:24 schestowitz; NOVEMBER 8, 2022 AT 4:31 PM

18:24 schestowitz; So what is the practical consequence of the EPO disregarding an ILOAT judgement (and thereby continuing to infringe the right to association of its staff)?

18:24 schestowitz; The AC has now been asleep at the wheel for over a decade, and has recently given up even pretending to act as the EPOs independent overseer. There would therefore seem no point asking the AC to step in to ensure that the EPO respects the rule of law. But to whom else can the EPOs staff turn?

18:24 schestowitz; Would the EPOs blatant disregard of ILOAT judgements provide an opportunity to ask the Dutch Supreme Court to revisit their infamous judgement on the EPOs immunity from suit? I have my doubts.

18:24 schestowitz; In any event, it is interesting to observe how an international body tasked with implementing laws can effectively go rogue (by failing to uphold the rule of law, rendering their governing laws meaningless by interpreting them according to their wishes, etc.) without giving rise to even the slightest signs of concern amongst the member states. And yet this is the very organisation that will soon be entrusted with even more powers (regarding

18:24 schestowitz; unitary patents).

18:24 schestowitz; Given the weaknesses and flaws in the governance structure of the UPC (even compared to the EPO), I shudder to think what might happen if that organisation were to similarly go rogue.

18:24 schestowitz; REPLY

18:24 schestowitz; Enough is enough

18:24 schestowitz; NOVEMBER 8, 2022 AT 4:33 PM

18:24 schestowitz; The present attitude of the head of the EPO illustrates best that immunity is considered as giving impunity when refusing to apply a clear judgement of the ILO-AT.

18:24 schestowitz; It actually boils down to contempt of court when a further condition is added which has never been envisaged by the court. If people do not like messages from the staff representation, there is a delete button on every keyboard.

18:24 schestowitz; The attitude of the head of the EPO and its minions is despicable.

18:24 schestowitz; But he has the support of a majority of the AC.

18:24 schestowitz; One actually wonders why?

18:24 schestowitz; If one knows that the DPO is employed on a contract basis, one cannot expect a document emanating from the DPO being contrary to the wishes of the president.

18:24 schestowitz; I am convinced that it is not the DPO who has thought of this extra hurdle but the (un)human resources management.

18:24 schestowitz; What is going on at the EPO is tragic, and the success story of the EPO is getting ruined by pseudo managers who think they can act as if we were still in the 19th century.

18:24 schestowitz; How can anybody expect that examiners and their immediate support staff can work with a free mind in such atrocious conditions. I am not surprised that the EPO experiences difficulties in recruiting examiners.

18:24 schestowitz; "


7 PM, November 8

19:28 *Now talking on #techbytes

19:28 *Topic for #techbytes is: Welcome to the official channel of the TechBytes Audiocast

19:28 *Topic for #techbytes set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:21:34 2021

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8 PM, November 8

20:39 schestowitz; "

20:39 schestowitz; Dear colleagues,

20:39 schestowitz;

20:39 schestowitz; The EPO has adopted an Environmental Policy (page 3/11) in which: Every employee has an important role to play in bringing the EPO one step closer to carbon neutrality.

20:39 schestowitz;

20:39 schestowitz; In its Communiqu of 6 October 2022, the Office has announced its aim to drastically increase the number of e-charging stations where colleagues can charge electric cars for free. The number will more than double to 738 within one year. On this topic we were approached by many colleagues who wonder if this measure fits with the EPO support to Sustainable Mobility Options. Free e-charge stations might create an unjustified incentive to come to the

20:39 schestowitz; Office premises by car. The free e-charging is also introduced at a time the Office has entered Phase 1 of the Emergency Contingency Plan which aims at saving on energy consumption in the EPO premises by keeping the minimum temperature at 19C.

20:39 schestowitz;

20:39 schestowitz; The EPO Code Fest is about to start. Some colleagues informed us that the developed software applications use APIs strongly relying on GPUs (private or collaborative) which are high consumers of electric power. In their view the scheduling of the event appears unfortunate at a time of the year during which energy will be a well-demanded resource. Official communications by the EPO on the Code Fest do not mention its potential environmental impact.

20:39 schestowitz;

20:39 schestowitz; We believe that a consistent approach to sustainability is very important.

20:39 schestowitz;

20:39 schestowitz; In this open letter we ask the President and Vice-President 4 for their comments on these topics.

20:39 schestowitz; "

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