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22:07 schestowitz; > Hi both, just thinking out loud;
22:07 schestowitz; >
22:07 schestowitz; > On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 12:23:52AM +0000, xxxxxx wrote:
22:07 schestowitz; >> xxxxx,
22:07 schestowitz; >>
22:07 schestowitz; >> I am still interested in publishing the article. When you ask if
22:07 schestowitz; >> both I and Roy are interested, I have to be clear that since search
22:07 schestowitz; >> engines penalized websites that have the same content as on other
22:07 schestowitz; >> websites, it would have to be either my site or Roy's site but not
22:07 schestowitz; >> both. I think you understand that, but I just want to be sure we
22:07 schestowitz; >> understand each other.
22:07 schestowitz; > Thanks CS, Okay, I'll split it off into different stand-alone articles
22:07 schestowitz; > in that case. For very different reasons I don't do that with
22:07 schestowitz; > mainstream outlets either, but it's not uncommon to pitch to a few
22:07 schestowitz; > friendly editors and see who bites.
22:07 schestowitz; >
22:08 schestowitz; > But this is a complete surprise to me. I had no idea that we'd reached
22:08 schestowitz; > a situation on the internet where there's a disincentive to widely
22:08 schestowitz; > disseminate and promote works. Things just get worse and worse.
22:08 schestowitz; >
22:08 schestowitz; >> Although I have a mirror of xxxxx's Guide on ZeroNet, I have
22:08 schestowitz; >> not been keeping it current (I think it is now about a year out of
22:08 schestowitz; >> date), so don't count on your article making it there any time
22:08 schestowitz; >> soon. I just haven't had the time to update it lately.
22:08 schestowitz; > Looking at Roy's setup I think he's built filters to automatically
22:08 schestowitz; > maintain a Gemini image. I've looked at this myself a lot - thinking
22:08 schestowitz; > about how a publisher easily maintains multiple presences from a book
22:08 schestowitz; > publishing POV (I have to keep a PDF, epub, and Postscript typeset
22:08 schestowitz; > versions in parallel). It comes down to what form you 'ingest' or
22:08 schestowitz; > write in. I use org-mode because it has many flexible back-ends. Some
22:08 schestowitz; > people go through Pandoc/Markdown. AFAIK Roy ingests simple HTML and
22:08 schestowitz; > uses html2gmi which creates nice gemeni markup.
22:08 schestowitz; >
22:08 schestowitz; > What you definitely want to avoid is hand-tweaking multiple markups.
22:08 schestowitz; >
22:08 schestowitz; >> As far as a list of sympathetic websites is concerned, do you mean
22:08 schestowitz; >> social media? The only list I have is the list of forums that I
22:08 schestowitz; >> have been maintaining here:
22:08 schestowitz; >> https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/forum-list.html .
22:08 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/forum-list.html )
22:08 schestowitz; > No. I have never been interested in social media myself. Maybe people
22:08 schestowitz; > repost stuff in Facebook/Twitter or whatever, but I have spent the
22:08 schestowitz; > past 10 years staying well away from all of it.
22:08 schestowitz; >
22:08 schestowitz; > Small-scale, personal relations with people who may repost to smaller
22:08 schestowitz; > forums and networks is exactly what I want to cultivate.
22:08 schestowitz; >
22:08 schestowitz; >> I regularly post links to my articles on the smaller forums on that
22:08 schestowitz; >> list that haven't banned me. I have also posted links to two (I
22:08 schestowitz; >> think) of your recent articles on Techrights on a ZeroNet forum,
22:08 schestowitz; >> but most of ZeroNet does not get much traffic.
22:08 schestowitz; > Thanks. What you are doing is awesome - beause in network theory you
22:08 schestowitz; > are acting like a bee... a very small number of cross-pollinators have
22:08 schestowitz; > a disproportionate influence by connecting parts of the small-web and
22:08 schestowitz; > distributed web together. I am confident this is _definitely_ what
22:08 schestowitz; > 'they' do not want.
22:08 schestowitz; >
22:09 schestowitz; >> I can't quantify well what I mean by "much". I don't know much
22:09 schestowitz; >> about other sympathetic websites. I guess I haven't really thought
22:09 schestowitz; >> about that question or been paying much attention to them, so I'm
22:09 schestowitz; >> not exactly sure how to respond there.
22:09 schestowitz; > Me neither. It's all new territory to me. I am still trying to make
22:09 schestowitz; > sense of Gemini space and ZeroNet. Last year I experimented with
22:09 schestowitz; > GNUNet and Gemini. I am willing to keep trying but my strategy as an
22:09 schestowitz; > author/researcher is to build/join real human networks of like-minded
22:09 schestowitz; > people and collect intel on what's working. The _last_ thing I would
22:09 schestowitz; > welcome is any precarious and risky presecnce within FB/Twitter/Google
22:09 schestowitz; > etc. There's actually a page in my book that says "please don't
22:09 schestowitz; > promote this on Facebook" :)
22:09 schestowitz; >
22:09 schestowitz; >> As far as sites like Hacker News being hostile to non-mainstream
22:09 schestowitz; >> information (like ewaste), you have to understand that many Hacker
22:09 schestowitz; >> News readers work for big tech.
22:09 schestowitz; > I guessed that but wasn't sure. It looks like a Silicon Valley boys
22:09 schestowitz; > club.
22:09 schestowitz; >
22:09 schestowitz; >> As I have unfortunately learned, all it apparently takes is a few
22:09 schestowitz; >> readers to complain and you can find yourself shadow banned.
22:09 schestowitz; > Sure, it's a clique, like many "communities" there's an invisible
22:09 schestowitz; > power dynamic with a small mob of enforcers. Once they _identify_ you
22:09 schestowitz; > the game is up. So I guess with places like that the strategy is to
22:09 schestowitz; > always be a new outsider and hope that 'submissions' get traction on
22:09 schestowitz; > their merit,
22:09 schestowitz; >
22:09 schestowitz; >> long-term platform on the Internet for expressing non-mainstream
22:09 schestowitz; >> ideas is to create one, e.g. a personal website.
22:09 schestowitz; > As far as 10 year projects go, that's possible. I've done it before. I
22:09 schestowitz; > ran xxxxxx between 2005 and 2016 as a hub for electronic music
22:09 schestowitz; > ideas in a language called Pure Data. Very niche but a surprisingly
22:09 schestowitz; > active and lovely community.
22:09 schestowitz; >
22:09 schestowitz; > This is a different phase of my life. With what's happening to the
22:09 schestowitz; > planet it's not about me or the old things any more. I want to focus
22:09 schestowitz; > on writing and understanding, so I am reaching out to people who have
22:09 schestowitz; > already built and can defend dissemination channels.
22:09 schestowitz; >
22:09 schestowitz; > Oddly, I have less trouble with the mainstream. The Times or BBC seem
22:10 schestowitz; > relatively warm to "radical" ideas about reshaping tech (probably
22:10 schestowitz; > because regulation aligns with their agenda - but that is not my
22:10 schestowitz; > schtick and actually I think most regulation will achieve very little)
22:10 schestowitz; >
22:10 schestowitz; > "Digital Veganism" is sort of a thing that mums and grans can get
22:10 schestowitz; > their heads around.
22:10 schestowitz; >
22:10 schestowitz; > all best,
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