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07:34 Techrights-sec2; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help#Quiet_and_banning_guidelines
07:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help - Wikipedia
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08:41 schestowitz__[TR]; x https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/ats-to-focus-on-dark-web-cryptocrime-drone-tech-dgp/88604598
08:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Ats To Focus On Dark Web, Cryptocrime & Drone Tech: Dgp, CIO News, ET CIO
09:02 Techrights-sec2; would you and zoobab consider presenting at CCC next year about sw patents
09:02 Techrights-sec2; if the conference is wholly online again next december?
09:02 Techrights-sec2; would you and zoobab consider presenting at CCC next year about sw patents
09:02 Techrights-sec2; if the conference is wholly online again next december?
09:02 schestowitz-TR; I can ask him
09:24 Techrights-sec2; thanks
09:25 schestowitz-TR; done
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16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; typos corrected in this archives version:
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; Stefano Maffulli wrote on 30/12/2021 17:26:
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; > (condensing in one thread)
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; > I think you're misinterpreting Josh's words. Plus i believe he is referring to 2020.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; Yes, he is.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; > Josh says that *clearlydefined* has a budget of roughly $250k. That's what Josh means when he says "earmarked". That money is not for OSI to use. They're a separate team making their own decisions. OSI acts as a fiscal sponsor for CD.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; I'm not misinterpreting this; I listened again and I know what he meant.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; > Fundraising for OSI in 2021 gave better results than in 2020. I encourage you to draw your own conclusions about the diversity of funding sources looking at the list of sponsors and the amounts they contribute on opensource.org.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; Last I checked (IRS is always behind), 95% of the money comes from corporations. Simon did not even bother refuting this, he just got all upset about me pointing that out.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; ---------
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; Correction: I've just checked the latest available IRS filing.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; 96% of the budget comes from corporations. So it has in fact gotten worse since I last checked.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; Also, I am sincerely unsure about whether the Microsoft/GH/CD-OSI arrangement is in compliance with IRS regulations, but I'd have to ask an American accountant.
16:17 schestowitz__[TR]; ---------
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; Remember that historically I SUPPORTED OSI. You lost many >COMMUNITY< supporters.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; Sometimes I think you wilfully forgot that C word: COMMUNITY.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; > I am open to honest debate and conversations, not interested in becoming a punching bag.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; I welcomed you when you came to OSI. I even got flak for that.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; You did come from the COMMUNITY. I hope you can repair the OSI, but I dread its current trajectory. The less relevant the OSI becomes, the less the corporations will need to "support" it. And this is how popular movements get 'defused'.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; I should note that the OSI's 2 co-founders are either banned or left in protest. That alone tells a great deal.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; > All we've done yesterday was publishing an update from an open source project supported by OSI and you jumped from there to concluding that Microsoft owns OSI and me?
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; No, I reached the conclusion that Microsoft plays a corrosive role in OSI a very long time ago. I was hoping you'd change course.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; Let's not inflate accusations against me, either. Straw man arguments are unhelpful.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; > I'm hoping that clarifying the nature of collaboration between OSI and CD gives you better insights and helps you at least to suspend judgement.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; GitHub is the #1 threat at the moment (I explained the reasons many times before). You folks took money from Microsoft through two palms and then reciprocated disproportionately.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; > 1) OSI doesn't "censor": Twitter suspended you. They're notoriously not fair in how they handle judgements.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; Twitter suspended me because some person or people filed complained about my tweets about OSI, conveniently framing that as "COVID". Twitter took the wrong action and says it may take "DAYS" to process my appeal.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; > 2) i believe you attribute to OSI the wrong mission. The mission of OSI is not the abolition of proprietary software. That's the role of the FSF. OSI mission is to be the steward of the open source definition. OSI *doesn't promote* proprietary software agenda and it's always been pragmatic about it.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; There are many untrue things in the above statement, but I shall leave it aside.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; > I have office hours on Fridays to talk with community members. I encourage you to book time so we can chat more in depth about these topics and the future plans for OSI. Go to Https://cal.com/smaffulli to find time that suits you
16:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cal.com | Stefano Maffulli | Cal.com
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; I prefer written communication if that's OK. Also, I'm not an enemy, mind you, I just see happening right now what happened in LF and OSDL. I am hardly shocked that Patrick jumped ship. It was getting pretty rough around that time...
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; > /Stef
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; >
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; > Ps I'm glad that your Twitter account wasn't suspended for long: i see a lot of tweets coming from your account, I'm glad that issue was resolved. I asked about mastodon because I'm sure you know that distributed networks are a lot more resistant to arbitrary decisions by the puppet masters.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; No, Twitter left me suspended. I'm unable to post anything for 6 more days.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; I use an instance of Diaspora, the Fediverse has its own share of issues that I wrote about over the years.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; I am interested in further dialogue. You and I have far more in common (than opposition) and I think you underestimate the forces of entryism in any such institution -- included the OSI -- which helps bypass direct negotiation with actual communities. OSI became like a "yellow union" some years ago.
16:18 schestowitz__[TR]; To Simon's credit, he did have a good grasp of such threats; he kicked out Black Duck -- mostly a Microsoft proxy (I've been tracking their actions since 2007) -- but somehow Microsoft slipped through the filter. I don't believe it was his decision alone.
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16:34 Techrights-sec2; back in a bit
16:34 Techrights-sec2; back
16:34 Techrights-sec2; even Amnesty is colluding to avoid naming patents:
16:34 Techrights-sec2; https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/12/covid-19-wealthy-states-and-pharma-companies-catastrophically-failed-to-ensure-equal-access-to-vaccines-in-2021/
16:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.amnesty.org | Covid-19: Wealthy states and pharma companies catastrophically failed to ensure equal access to vaccines in 2021 - Amnesty International
16:35 Techrights-sec2; first article found :
16:35 Techrights-sec2; https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/30/texas-team-applauded-giving-what-big-pharma-refuses-patent-free-vaccine-world
16:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Texas Team Applauded for Giving What Big Pharma Refuses: A Patent-Free Vaccine to the World
16:35 schestowitz__[TR]; Yes, I saw that and linked to it. More and more articles in daily links DO name PATENTS, and this is GREAT news
16:48 Techrights-sec2; excellent
16:48 Techrights-sec2; My feeds have not mentioned them previously
16:48 Techrights-sec2; (that I recall)
16:49 schestowitz-TR; it would be nice to think that we have played even a small role in growing mention of the elephant in the room: patents
16:50 schestowitz-TR; uploading 'mega-video' on OSI ATM
16:52 Techrights-sec2; Pieter Hintjens used to comment that institutions have to be replaced periodicall
16:52 Techrights-sec2; y as they cannot usually be salvaged once a threshold has been crossed.
16:52 schestowitz-TR; yes, I remember that and maybe you noticed because I mentioned it? Not sure, but anyway, OSI is one of several that need replacing.
17:03 Techrights-sec2; It's something I consider periodically since I see the pragmatism involved in
17:03 Techrights-sec2; that opinino,. Yet at the same time there is merit in salvaging the brand
17:03 Techrights-sec2; or name. However, microsoftrers and their ilk work hard to ensure that the
17:03 Techrights-sec2; damage is beyond repair.
17:03 Techrights-sec2; I can't find mention of it in th earitlce at the momen but the title mentions
17:03 Techrights-sec2; sums up the sad state.
17:04 schestowitz-TR; re infiltrations and all, we have some Microsoft leaks to that effect. EFF is a mess, but not limited to the same actors doing the damage
17:59 schestowitz-TR; Pieter's words may have passed from zoobab to me and then to techrights. I don't
17:59 schestowitz-TR; recall seeing or reading it directly from him. ffii is sort of finished, zoobab
17:59 schestowitz-TR; hates fsfe
17:59 schestowitz-TR; do you wish to see part 7 a priori to catch typos?
18:14 schestowitz__[TR]; [09:02] <Techrights-sec2> would you and zoobab consider presenting at
18:14 schestowitz__[TR]; CCC next year about sw patents
18:14 schestowitz__[TR]; [09:02] <Techrights-sec2> if the conference is wholly online again next
18:14 schestowitz__[TR]; december?
18:14 schestowitz__[TR]; [09:02] <schestowitz-TR> I can ask him
18:14 schestowitz__[TR]; zoobab: Too late, once UPC is running!
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19:56 schestowitz__[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/12/31/open-source-initiative-floundering/
19:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Why the Open Source Initiative Cannot be Saved (Its Too Heavily Controlled by Monopolies) | Techrights
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20:14 Techrights-sec2; kind of around
20:14 schestowitz-TR; just had our fine dinner for quarter price or less
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