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02:10 *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social
02:10 *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021
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08:18 Techrights-sec; httpd loos like it was unavailable only once
08:18 schestowitz-TR2; was that around the backup dumps?
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08:37 Techrights-sec;
08:37 Techrights-sec; It was approximate 3:40 utc
08:37 Techrights-sec; ok
08:37 schestowitz-TR2; that is exactly when it always has issues, causing false alarms in monitoring too
08:37 schestowitz-TR2; :-)
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10:57 schestowitz-TR2; restarting
10:57 schestowitz-TR2; I did too around 9am
11:05 Techrights-sec; ack
11:05 Techrights-sec; I noticed the ~ 9:30 restart in the logs here
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11:56 schestowitz; "Issues" (with uppercase "i", it's like a brand, a proprietary extension to Git for bug reports that Microsoft controls and won't let you export, at least not easily)
11:56 schestowitz; funding for OpenBSD LLL
11:56 schestowitz; features that would mostly be beneficial to Microsoft and to Windows
11:57 schestowitz; Torvakds pointed out, albeit not so explicitly, "contributions" (so-called 'PRs') from GitHub would likely come from people who don't know how to use Git and E-mail, which means that the quality of the code is low and origin/motivation suspect.
11:57 schestowitz; opening up to more people (when more code does not necessarily mean "better") isn't a measure of success, especially if it's something like a kernel where security is paramount
11:57 schestowitz; the risk of putting a foot in Microsoft's doorstep, letting momentum be built up in the wrong platform -- a platform you do not actually control, as noted by Blender well before Microsoft had ambushed GitHub (2014) and then bought it (2018)
11:57 Techrights-sec; https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278783905001&w=2
11:57 Techrights-sec; https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278748004702&w=2
11:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC
11:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC
11:59 schestowitz-TR2; ty
11:59 schestowitz-TR2; \\\typing up a draft at the moment
11:59 schestowitz-TR2; might be worth checking who josh stein works for
11:59 Techrights-sec; https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278687804194&w=2
11:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC
12:01 Techrights-sec; https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html
12:01 Techrights-sec; m$ tossed them some chump change; it's a large sum for openbsd, but for a
12:01 Techrights-sec; marketing company it's so small an amount that probably no one needed to sign
12:01 Techrights-sec; off on it
12:01 Techrights-sec; no idea where he works
12:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openbsdfoundation.org | Donate to the OpenBSD Foundation
12:03 Techrights-sec; there were others in the thread boosting m$ github
12:03 Techrights-sec; ALternatives: https://sr.ht/
12:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sr.ht | sourcehut hub
12:03 Techrights-sec; https://codeberg.org/
12:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-codeberg.org | Codeberg.org
12:05 Techrights-sec; gitlab
12:05 Techrights-sec; bitbucket
12:05 Techrights-sec; not sure sourceforge is still worthy
12:09 schestowitz-TR2; ack
12:09 schestowitz-TR2; ty
12:09 schestowitz-TR2; I am reproducing in full the email messages on the matter
12:09 schestowitz-TR2; so any more GOOD email messages that you can point to would helpo
12:09 schestowitz-TR2; I want to use the cxounterarguments
12:09 schestowitz-TR2; that are easier to reuse so to speak
12:33 Techrights-sec; the e-mail messages are myopically focused on the technical aspects as per the pp
12:33 Techrights-sec; ublic lists; what is equally important is to observe reuse of m$ tactics
12:33 Techrights-sec; to disrupt and control;
12:33 Techrights-sec; " We had two Gold contributors in 2020 Camiel Dobbelaar and Microsoft. "
12:33 Techrights-sec; https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/campaign2021.html
12:33 Techrights-sec; restarting httpd
12:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openbsdfoundation.org | The OpenBSD Foundation 2021 Fundraising Campaign
13:02 schestowitz-TR2; creude first draft
13:02 schestowitz-TR2; taking a break
13:02 schestowitz-TR2; very, very creude
13:02 schestowitz-TR2; but giuves room for suggestions
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; let me know when done, i might do a video about this later
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; the draft
13:10 Techrights-sec; done with which task?
13:10 Techrights-sec; checking
13:11 schestowitz-TR2; oh, needs restart
13:23 Techrights-sec; Also it is important to highligh the control that self-hosting of
13:23 Techrights-sec; version control and bug tracking gives. Also for those that do not want to or
13:23 Techrights-sec; cannot self-host, then there are many alternatives which are far better than
13:23 Techrights-sec; M$ GitHub. See the list from earlier.
13:35 Techrights-sec; ack
13:35 Techrights-sec; restarting again
13:35 schestowitz-TR2; wow, back with a bang (the issue) after almost 2 days of calm
13:46 schestowitz; "
13:46 schestowitz; [LSCMN] General Assembly on Tuesday 25 January, 15.00h: Recording and slides now available
13:46 schestowitz; Dear colleagues,
13:46 schestowitz; On 25 January, 950 colleagues in Munich followed the live transmission of the 1st General Assembly of 2022 organized by the Local Staff Committee Munich (LSCMN).
13:46 schestowitz; The video recording can be found here and links to the slides in the table below:
13:46 schestowitz;
13:46 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; Topic
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; Starting time
13:47 schestowitz; in recording
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; Further information
13:47 schestowitz; 1
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; New Normal - Teleworking
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; 1:51
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; slides, publication
13:47 schestowitz; 2
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; Career System
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; 9:27
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; slides
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; Fixed-term contracts
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; 17:52
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; publication, video
13:47 schestowitz; 3
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; Salary Adjustment Procedure
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; 24:01
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; slides, publication
13:47 schestowitz; 4
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; POLL: what to do next?
13:47 schestowitz;
13:47 schestowitz; 38:38
13:47 schestowitz;
13:48 schestowitz; slides including poll results
13:48 schestowitz; 5
13:48 schestowitz;
13:48 schestowitz; Q&A
13:48 schestowitz;
13:48 schestowitz; 56:36
13:48 schestowitz;
13:48 schestowitz;
13:48 schestowitz;
13:48 schestowitz; During the meeting, a poll took place: 93% are rather dissatisfied about the current situation at the EPO and 89% consider participating in industrial actions.
13:48 schestowitz; We received many questions from the audience, and we are currently compiling a document in which we will address all open questions. However, if you have any open questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at mnstcom@epo.org.
13:48 schestowitz; We thank everybody who participated. We are already planning to organise a similar meeting soon.
13:48 schestowitz; Kind regards
13:48 schestowitz; Your Local Staff Committee Munich - LSCMN
13:48 schestowitz; "
14:18 schestowitz-TR2; i wwill mention this later when rianne goes out to shoip and I record
14:23 Techrights-sec; looking
14:23 Techrights-sec; Expand very briefly on the opening sentence by identify /which/ misinformation
14:23 Techrights-sec; is being spread. ALT text for image
14:25 schestowitz-TR2; draft
14:25 schestowitz-TR2; ok, adding some URLs and image was not aded yet, was work in progress
14:30 schestowitz-TR2; btw, I installed mat2 for removing metadata from files
14:30 schestowitz-TR2; the EPO stuff is very urgent right now
14:30 schestowitz-TR2; more so than the FOSS things
14:30 schestowitz-TR2; (IMHO)
14:30 schestowitz-TR2; also, we are like the only site still covering that
14:30 schestowitz-TR2; so if we say nothing, others will not
14:34 Techrights-sec; ack
14:35 schestowitz-TR2; maybe when I record the video about openbsd
14:35 schestowitz-TR2; I will try to focus on another angle
14:35 schestowitz-TR2; namely, why copyleft or reciprocal
14:35 schestowitz-TR2; bnetter protects you from abuse via things like
14:35 schestowitz-TR2; shithub, NSA, Microsoft etc.
14:37 Techrights-sec; that might be mentioned in passing but if focusing on OpenBSD, they have no
14:37 Techrights-sec; interest in reciprocal licensing and the self-determination and intergrity
14:37 Techrights-sec; of the project and code base are of priority from waht I read of them
14:37 Techrights-sec; So another video or post might focus on the need for reciprocity but
14:37 Techrights-sec; it's one of those things they seem to be aware of but due to internal politics
14:38 Techrights-sec; avoid mention explicitly. M$ could close down GitHib on a whim or mess
14:38 Techrights-sec; with the code archive's contents when it wishes to with no recourse to the
14:38 Techrights-sec; projects invovled.
14:38 Techrights-sec; Yes.
14:38 schestowitz-TR2; ok, so I shall focus on the self-determinationm aspect
14:38 schestowitz-TR2; reciprocisy being a side issue
14:38 schestowitz-TR2; maybe security-breaking patches can be mentioned
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16:20 Techrights-sec; restarting httpd
16:26 schestowitz; video git - done, but needs text to go with it, have not started that yet
16:26 schestowitz-TR2; thanks, just recorded 2 videos in a row
16:26 schestowitz-TR2; see draft
16:26 schestowitz-TR2; (i mean, if you want ;-) )
16:56 Techrights-sec; ack
16:56 Techrights-sec; checking
17:11 schestowitz-TR2; added a draft for openbsd
17:38 Techrights-sec; The last paragraph is off. When following the thread it is imporant to keep
17:38 Techrights-sec; track of who is a developer, and thus speaks with authority, and who is one
17:38 Techrights-sec; ^on
17:38 Techrights-sec; the outside. Probably best to avoid making recommendations and just stick to
17:38 Techrights-sec; observations and facts.
17:38 Techrights-sec; So the sentence with "that needs to" ought to be reworded.
17:40 schestowitz-TR2; I swapped needs with tends
17:42 Techrights-sec; thanks
17:46 schestowitz-TR2; my bad
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