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07:58 schestowitz-TR; good morning
07:58 schestowitz-TR; yes, re your remark on ddos
07:58 schestowitz-TR; I constantly feel compelled to pick the FUD and respond to it at least with one liners
07:58 schestowitz-TR; that might not get noticed much
07:58 schestowitz-TR; but even in TM and TR those same FUD patterns can be undone
07:58 schestowitz-TR; and maybe readers will "take from from there" and rebut similarly
08:00 schestowitz-TR; itwire used to be posting good rebuttals to fud
08:00 schestowitz-TR; always from sam
08:00 schestowitz-TR; I see he and hos co's now have mandatory microsoft spam to churn out
08:00 schestowitz-TR; to defuse such rebuttals of FUD
08:00 schestowitz-TR; or saturate to the point nobody will bother reading these
08:11 Techrights-sec2; yes there has been a terrible uptick in M$ spam there somewhat recently
08:11 Techrights-sec2; yes
08:11 schestowitz-TR; like with upc, no perfect way to respond
08:11 schestowitz-TR; for starters, you give visibility to something otherwise seen by just a handful of people
08:11 schestowitz-TR; so I think a token, quick rebuttal, with repetition can help
08:11 schestowitz-TR; same for gates foundation a decade ago
08:11 schestowitz-TR; so the crimtical thinking kicks off
08:11 schestowitz-TR; "it's not just me thinking this is BS..."
08:11 Techrights-sec2; the spam is damaging ITWire badly and it will soon be time to skip over
08:11 Techrights-sec2; checking it daily for news
08:13 schestowitz-TR; less than a year ago we did, for maybe a month, have itwire in auto,
08:13 schestowitz-TR; but it fatigued me as maybe I found one REAL ARTICLE (as in REAL) among a seas of
08:13 schestowitz-TR; BS/spam. Not just ON-TOPIC of topic of interest to me, but something that
08:13 schestowitz-TR; did nor smack of TFIR spamnil
08:13 schestowitz-TR; the "extremely well-connected" "filmmaker"
08:14 Techrights-sec2; there are not so many on-topic articles there since the spam surge and
08:14 Techrights-sec2; of course even fewer relevant articles then
08:15 schestowitz-TR; those are two separate aspects
08:15 schestowitz-TR; one is akin to disinformation
08:15 schestowitz-TR; so it's not merely time-wasting
08:15 schestowitz-TR; it can do actual damage
08:15 Techrights-sec2; saturate, diffuse, confuse
08:15 Techrights-sec2; as a means of shutting down topics and sites
08:19 schestowitz-TR; upside: SN recognises that it is under attack
08:19 schestowitz-TR; downside: they seem to think spam is the problem; from what I saw, it might be astroturfing
08:19 schestowitz-TR; like the astorturfing chris dibona privately told me about (when he was running ./)
08:20 schestowitz-TR; /.
08:20 schestowitz-TR; BTW, I was just thinking one hour ago:
08:20 schestowitz-TR; how to best explain why TR does not have comments anymore
08:20 schestowitz-TR; none this year
08:20 schestowitz-TR; they are too much of a liability
08:20 schestowitz-TR; companies can deface posts
08:20 schestowitz-TR; I suspected there was such an attempt in schestowitz.com
08:20 schestowitz-TR; to get it deindexed on a certain topic
08:22 Techrights-sec2; it is a problem of shills and astroturfing, naively mistaken as spam
08:22 Techrights-sec2; there's no way to log in and comment nor to log in and make an account
08:22 Techrights-sec2; then the UI is not very good and then perhaps most importantly
08:22 Techrights-sec2; it is out of fashion to comment at a site since most sites that still
08:22 Techrights-sec2; deal with comments outsource it to social control media instead so that
08:22 Techrights-sec2; it can be manipulated and censored for political means
08:23 schestowitz-TR; trolling example
08:23 schestowitz-TR; person A posts story: microsoft is good
08:24 schestowitz-TR; persob B replies agreeing
08:24 schestowitz-TR; many people don't agree
08:24 schestowitz-TR; and here they are wasting a TON of energy getting angry at the people who lie for Microsoft
08:24 schestowitz-TR; both persons A and B are a problem
08:24 schestowitz-TR; we had this issue in IRC, like people who bring up sex
08:24 schestowitz-TR; days ago the channel became about abortionbs, masturbation and other off-putting stuff
08:24 schestowitz-TR; irc is like our comments section
08:24 schestowitz-TR; but at least it is very much isolated from pertinent posts
08:24 schestowitz-TR; linking to irc to claim something about a site is something debian disliked
08:24 schestowitz-TR; very often projects introduce CoCs for this reason
08:24 Techrights-sec2; yes that's a similar phenomenon
08:34 schestowitz-TR; "Outrage divident"
08:34 schestowitz-TR; apt term re ^^^
08:34 schestowitz-TR; it's "soping"
08:34 schestowitz-TR; doping
08:34 schestowitz-TR; short-term gain in traffic
08:34 schestowitz-TR; angry people
08:34 schestowitz-TR; but it leads toa formation of resistance
08:34 schestowitz-TR; so in the long run people don't come back
08:34 schestowitz-TR; SN is making errorss
08:34 schestowitz-TR; by creating resistance to readers
08:34 schestowitz-TR; TM tries hard to avoid shit like WSL and Edg
08:34 schestowitz-TR; no need to create strong emotional reaction
08:34 schestowitz-TR; like LXer does sometimes
08:34 schestowitz-TR; *dividend
08:34 schestowitz-TR; some amateurs see that certain toxic storeies get more hits
08:34 schestowitz-TR; so they post more and more of them
08:34 schestowitz-TR; without realising the damage this 'doping' does to 'internal organs'
08:34 schestowitz-TR; and that's how sites die ime
08:36 Techrights-sec2; ack
08:36 Techrights-sec2; ack
08:37 schestowitz-TR; why would russia target norway?
08:37 schestowitz-TR; any special reason?c
08:37 schestowitz-TR; could be some 'stray' crackers, but I've not been paying attention to nordic politics in re russia
08:39 Techrights-sec2; norway is in NATO and there have been fights over oil and fishing. the fishing
08:39 Techrights-sec2; fights are, IMHO, because 1) that's where the political power is/was in Norway
08:39 Techrights-sec2; and 2) it is the only barrier to the oil
08:44 Techrights-sec2; cyberattacks are just one means of several used to politically destabilize the
08:44 Techrights-sec2; region; others include using settlers en masse to establish competing colonies
08:44 Techrights-sec2; within the contested territories, as well as combining all of the above with
08:44 Techrights-sec2; massive disinformation and social control campaigns via social control media
08:44 schestowitz-TR; it's like an experiment
08:44 schestowitz-TR; rt and sputnik have lojng played off the extreme right and the unwanted immigrants
08:44 schestowitz-TR; it was so successful that they do this in the US now
08:44 schestowitz-TR; and the countrry is fighting itself, becoming a laughing stock
08:44 schestowitz-TR; much of this was enabled by internationalisation of comms
08:44 schestowitz-TR; iow, the pentagon's "Internet" (ARPA) turned against itself
08:44 schestowitz-TR; Both RT and Sputnik invited me
08:45 schestowitz-TR; but only to "bash" the West
08:45 schestowitz-TR; I'm not THAT foolish
08:45 schestowitz-TR; Annie Machon has mostly vanished from site the past few years
08:45 schestowitz-TR; as did RMS
08:45 schestowitz-TR; and jill stein is something in history books
08:48 schestowitz-TR; yes, they do that; the immigration is not the problem; it is the settlement
08:48 schestowitz-TR; yet they (RT , Sputnik) cultivate anger at all newcomers, whether hostile or not
08:48 schestowitz-TR; yes they eventually get the country fighting itself while at least one half
08:48 schestowitz-TR; concurrently works to undermine the nation
08:48 schestowitz-TR; The Internet is still ok, with the exception of BGP and DNS, what is not ok
08:48 schestowitz-TR; is the social control media with rides atop the Internet
08:48 schestowitz-TR; That was a smart decision; RT and Sputnik would have only worked against TR's
08:48 schestowitz-TR; goals and later reputation;
08:48 schestowitz-TR; RMS has mostly had good judgment but it was dumb to speak to them
08:48 schestowitz-TR; since, from the "interview", it was very clear they had *no* interest
08:48 schestowitz-TR; in software or software freedom and were only interested in anti-US sound bites
08:48 schestowitz-TR; However, RMS fatal mistake was not the mailing list faux pas but the inexcusiabinexcusably dumb decision to go to Redmond. They whacked him at that point
08:48 schestowitz-TR; .
08:48 schestowitz-TR; leaving his last prominent public appearance in the hands of M$ spinmeisters
08:48 schestowitz-TR; anyway the far right / extremist on the right are wound up about misdirections
08:48 schestowitz-TR; instead of going after the real problem in their society:
08:49 Techrights-sec2; yes, they do that; the immigration is not the problem; it is the settlement
08:49 Techrights-sec2; yet they (RT , Sputnik) cultivate anger at all newcomers, whether hostile or not
08:49 Techrights-sec2; yes they eventually get the country fighting itself while at least one half
08:49 Techrights-sec2; concurrently works to undermine the nation
08:49 Techrights-sec2; The Internet is still ok, with the exception of BGP and DNS, what is not ok
08:49 Techrights-sec2; is the social control media with rides atop the Internet
08:49 Techrights-sec2; That was a smart decision; RT and Sputnik would have only worked against TR's
08:49 Techrights-sec2; goals and later reputation;
08:49 Techrights-sec2; RMS has mostly had good judgment but it was dumb to speak to them
08:49 Techrights-sec2; since, from the "interview", it was very clear they had *no* interest
08:49 Techrights-sec2; in software or software freedom and were only interested in anti-US sound bites
08:49 Techrights-sec2; However, RMS fatal mistake was not the mailing list faux pas but the inexcusiabinexcusably dumb decision to go to Redmond. They whacked him at that point
08:49 Techrights-sec2; .
08:49 Techrights-sec2; leaving his last prominent public appearance in the hands of M$ spinmeisters
08:49 Techrights-sec2; anyway the far right / extremist on the right are wound up about misdirections
08:49 Techrights-sec2; instead of going after the real problem in their society:
08:49 Techrights-sec2; the media and many officials also do what they can to facilitate that misdirection
08:53 Techrights-sec2; the key problem with the US elections is the first-past-the-post method
08:53 Techrights-sec2; of counting a "winner" rather than using proportional representation;
08:53 Techrights-sec2; some states are starting to correct that but both sides of the oligarch's
08:53 Techrights-sec2; group are heaviliy invested in the status quo and it is too late to change
08:53 Techrights-sec2; for the 2024 election so it will be more or less a repetition ofthe 2016
08:53 Techrights-sec2; fiasco
08:53 Techrights-sec2; social control media and all
08:53 Techrights-sec2;
08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-30
08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-100 Percent Of The Vote - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-30 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-29
08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Public Doesn't Trust Us - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-29 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-28
08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ratbert In Charge Of Data Security - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-28 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-27
08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Voting Machine Market - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-27 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
08:53 Techrights-sec2; however even the topic of immigration is fraught with both misinformation
08:54 Techrights-sec2; and disinformation as so many intentionally conflate illegal migration,
08:54 Techrights-sec2; colonization, asylum, and work-based immigration
08:54 schestowitz-TR; ack
08:54 schestowitz-TR; checking the strips
08:54 schestowitz-TR; I used to watch dilbert every day
08:54 schestowitz-TR; the plasma thing was leaking RAM
08:54 schestowitz-TR; so I stopped
08:56 Techrights-sec2; If I had to guess a lot of that is somehow related to knocking the bottom
08:56 Techrights-sec2; out of the labor market with the "gig economy" projects like Wolt, Uber,
08:56 Techrights-sec2; AirBNB, etc
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09:00 schestowitz-TR; ok, so he risks being ncalled insurrectoinist and trump msupporter
09:00 schestowitz-TR; it's the latest narrrative
09:00 schestowitz-TR; for "voting" machione companies
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09:01 Techrights-sec2; is this site legit? https://fsfellowship.news/
09:01 Techrights-sec2; yes they use strawman arguments to great effect to the detriment of the
09:01 Techrights-sec2; actual elections
09:01 Techrights-sec2; so all researchers on the topic are now marginalized as their cause gets
09:01 Techrights-sec2; picked up and replaced by crazies
09:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.news | Free Software Fellowship
09:02 schestowitz-TR; edwin black worried his books would be used by pro-lifers
09:03 schestowitz-TR; because in his writings abotu eugenics he mentioned "Planned Parentlhood"
09:03 schestowitz-TR; which does have historical connections to eugenics
09:03 schestowitz-TR; so he wrote a disclaimer to distance himself and repel them
09:07 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:07 Techrights-sec2; J. Alex Halderman seems to have been forced into a very low profile
09:12 schestowitz-TR; lol, eu politicians in their 70s agree to half petrol cars 13 years from now
09:12 schestowitz-TR; I guuess they want cars that run on air when they are 6 feet under
09:12 schestowitz-TR; what political BS
09:12 schestowitz-TR; they could ban these immediately
09:12 Techrights-sec2; yes the deadline is so far into the future as to, careerwise, be "never"
09:13 schestowitz-TR; like microsoft pledges for some year when the company might no longer exist
09:13 schestowitz-TR; failing and bought by some other company for the trademarks
09:13 schestowitz; <li>
09:13 schestowitz; <h5><a href="https://danielpocock.com/debian-constitution-illegitimate/">Consent & Debian's illegitimate constitution</a></h5>
09:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-danielpocock.com | Consent & Debian's illegitimate constitution
09:13 schestowitz; <blockquote>
09:13 schestowitz; <p>When a constitution was proposed in 1998, 357 co-authors of Debian were asked to vote on the constitution. This is not really voting though: people who gave a positive vote were agreeing to be members. People who gave a negative vote or did not vote at all have not consented to the constitution and therefore there is no way we can think of them as members of anything.</p>
09:13 schestowitz; <p>The names of people who voted were published. Those people, just 86 developers, became members of an association by giving their positive assent to be governed by a constitution in their dealings with each other.</p>
09:13 schestowitz; <p>That means there are 357 - 86 = 271 people, or 76 percent, who were satisfied to work on Debian as joint authors without any notion of an association.</p>
09:13 schestowitz; </blockquote>
09:13 schestowitz; </li>
09:16 Techrights-sec2; yes and while they delay, the damaging behavior goes on unabated
09:17 schestowitz-TR; "let's spin our POLLUTION as warming up people's homes"
09:17 schestowitz-TR; Zemlin: "you could pay me a couple of millions to say that you are green and your greeness is Linux(TM)-approved"
09:17 schestowitz-TR; "shut up, Linus, none of yout business; I did not ask for your opinion"
09:20 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:29 schestowitz-TR; kevin from shadowproof (used to be writing in other domains) has more or less become inactive
09:29 schestowitz-TR; except when something major happens in the assange case
09:29 schestowitz-TR; barrett bown also vainish afaict
09:29 schestowitz-TR; a lot of WBer-related circles was gaslit by the media in recent years
09:29 schestowitz-TR; it's like EPO scandals
09:29 Techrights-sec2; too many have become quiet of late
09:29 Techrights-sec2; that's true, I'd even forgotten about BB he has vanished so thoroughly
09:30 schestowitz-TR; he keeps a stain that makes it harder for him to seek employment in TX
09:30 schestowitz-TR; lots of typos above, sorry
09:30 Techrights-sec2; np
09:32 schestowitz-TR; I might call it the "malda effetc"
09:32 schestowitz-TR; one day you're a star
09:32 schestowitz-TR; then a nobody
09:32 schestowitz-TR; and it's hard to take, some sink into depression or other addictions like computer games
09:32 Techrights-sec2; computer games are a waste of life
09:34 schestowitz-TR; playtime for kids used to involve balls and pavements
09:34 schestowitz-TR; I guess that made them fitter and more social
09:35 schestowitz-TR; I wasted a lot of my childhood on games
09:35 schestowitz-TR; but mostly quests and strategy
09:35 schestowitz-TR; not shooting
09:35 schestowitz-TR; maybe better than watching TV, which I did too
09:37 Techrights-sec2; playing with SBC's whether general-purpose or microcontrollers would
09:37 Techrights-sec2; be much more constructive and even lead to positive side effects
09:37 Techrights-sec2; along those lines I see that MagPi 119 has been published:
09:37 Techrights-sec2; https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/issues/119
09:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-magpi.raspberrypi.com | The MagPi issue 119 The MagPi magazine
09:38 Techrights-sec2; I see they are focusing more on their 'Pico' unit; I can guess several reasons
09:38 Techrights-sec2; one being that the parts shortages throughout the supply chain affect that
09:38 Techrights-sec2; type of board far less than their "full-sized" general-purpose boards
09:38 Techrights-sec2; worse than regular games, kids are now addicted to phone apps, such as (FB)
09:38 Techrights-sec2; instagram, tiktok, and others; that keeps them from interacting with
09:38 Techrights-sec2; eachother or anyone for that matter; so I would guess that a kid growing up
09:38 Techrights-sec2; now will have by age 20 the life experience of what a 12 year old used to have
09:38 Techrights-sec2; then at that age, even if they reform, it is way too late to make up lost time
09:38 Techrights-sec2; so their cognitive life is over without skills or experience
09:38 Techrights-sec2; TV was also a waste of time; looking back I regret even a minute of it
09:38 Techrights-sec2; though I grew out of it nearly 100% by late teens
09:41 Techrights-sec2; some types of games can help problem solving but only to a limited extent since
09:41 Techrights-sec2; they are so constrained; nowadays they are simply designed for addiction and
09:41 Techrights-sec2; pay-to-win in-game purchasing
09:42 schestowitz-TR; The incredible machine (tim) and tim2 were nice
09:42 schestowitz-TR; I still have notes with some titles of games I played
09:42 schestowitz-TR; I wrote their named down during very boring lectures
09:42 schestowitz-TR; trying to do something more useful with my time
09:42 schestowitz-TR; all those lectures were a waste of time
09:42 schestowitz-TR; I was like "extra" in an audicnece of some follow scholars whose work
09:42 schestowitz-TR; I did not care about and barely understood
09:42 schestowitz-TR; a lot of academia is like that
09:42 schestowitz-TR; we get to pretend to care fo presentations
09:42 schestowitz-TR; and do this mutually
09:42 schestowitz-TR; so it's like "I like your tweet, you will like mine in return"
09:45 Techrights-sec2; social control media, as mentioned, is probably the biggest addiction and
09:45 Techrights-sec2; timewaster that people are afflicted with, but on top of both those problems
09:45 Techrights-sec2; there is the severe matter that it is used to manipulate values and opinions
09:45 Techrights-sec2; with the younger crowd, it is setting their vaues, mores, and worldview --
09:45 Techrights-sec2; crookedly
09:45 schestowitz-TR; did you see the post I did this morning about kakistocracy?
09:45 schestowitz-TR; see the example given last
09:45 schestowitz-TR; I can relate to it as I saw it
09:46 Techrights-sec2; checking
09:46 Techrights-sec2; yes, though summary needed a bit about how Campinos was hired despite being
09:46 Techrights-sec2; unfit
09:46 Techrights-sec2; that's in the bitmap but not the readable text
09:46 schestowitz-TR; afaik, it was about battistelli
09:46 schestowitz-TR; I could add this ref:
09:50 schestowitz-TR; I cannot find it as I forgot the spelling of his french surname (not for the first time)
09:50 schestowitz-TR; it's something like berranas
09:50 schestowitz-TR; anyway, Battistelli is D player who brought another D, Campinos
09:50 schestowitz-TR; so it was a turning point
09:50 schestowitz-TR; those posts from yesterday were accessed a lot
09:50 schestowitz-TR; let's hope they influence person-to-p[erson disloagues
09:59 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> OpenLibrary https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/29/enjoy-digital-ownership-and-public-libraries-while-you-still-can/ | Source: Techdirt
09:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Enjoy Digital Ownership And Public Libraries While You Still Can | Techdirt
10:03 schestowitz-TR; just realised no irc post yet today
10:07 Techrights-sec2; checking
10:07 Techrights-sec2; it's there, just somehow WP choked on it somehow and it "missed schedule"
10:07 Techrights-sec2; I'll give it a kick in the nads
10:07 Techrights-sec2; that happens fairly often lately
10:07 Techrights-sec2; anyway, it's publishe now
10:09 schestowitz-TR; asking any sites to REMOVE such functionality, however negligible, is like asking the cook to remove the mustard from your meakl
10:09 schestowitz-TR; (yes, commit log cartoon)
10:09 schestowitz-TR; or putting the toothpaste you don't need back inside the tube
10:22 schestowitz-TR; I think it qawas called Comic Log
10:22 schestowitz-TR; anyway, that too was a "plasmoid"
10:22 schestowitz-TR; before I realised itwas clobbering at my system due to a bug and removed them all
10:26 Techrights-sec2; It's not removing anything, rather it is swapping out a kilo of javascript
10:26 Techrights-sec2; for two more functional HTML elements. However, I do see your point, their
10:26 Techrights-sec2; goal might not be to reach the largest possible audience but instead show
10:26 Techrights-sec2; off how "clever" they are through excessive and unnecessary javascript
10:26 Techrights-sec2; afflictions
10:26 Techrights-sec2; the 'Sunk Cost Fallacy' might also rear its ugly head in that they've already
10:27 Techrights-sec2; paid for the javascript development and therefore feel compelled to use it
10:27 Techrights-sec2; no matter how much it hurts
10:27 Techrights-sec2; Commit Log is not indexed in some of the search engines
10:27 Techrights-sec2; in the news, the one remaining bataclan terrorist will be able to continue
10:27 Techrights-sec2; his work but now from behind bars instead of spending the time reforming
10:27 Techrights-sec2; presumably he will spread his agenda to others if he allowed contact with
10:27 Techrights-sec2; other prisoners
10:27 Techrights-sec2; Can't find the comic link still
10:27 Techrights-sec2; dang that was difficult to dig out: https://www.commitstrip.com/en/
10:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-CommitStrip | The blog relating the daily life of web agency developers
10:29 schestowitz-TR; I've just tried, in vain, to find the cartoon
10:29 schestowitz-TR; it does not matter much
10:29 schestowitz-TR; you may have seen it already
10:38 Techrights-sec2; I've only seen a few from that strip
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14:01 schestowitz-TR; just fyi
14:01 schestowitz-TR; today too the FUD from Microsoft continues
14:01 schestowitz-TR; they are not even subtle about attacking the "Linux" brand
14:01 schestowitz-TR; I rebut quieltly
14:01 schestowitz-TR; not giving it TOO much visibility
14:01 schestowitz-TR; as an aside, earlier I lost my concentration asnd forgot something I was gonna do
14:01 schestowitz-TR; I still experiment with sleeping patterns and study their effect on memory
14:01 schestowitz-TR; I did, however, manage to produce alot in TR lately
14:01 schestowitz-TR; Gulag Noise was such an utter waste of time in retrospect
14:01 schestowitz-TR; no better than social control media
14:01 schestowitz-TR; it became a sort of form of it
14:01 schestowitz-TR; same for gulagtube
14:01 schestowitz-TR; the internet as a whole seems "unhealthy" because of the way
14:01 schestowitz-TR; it cluster and delivers things
14:01 schestowitz-TR; it's mostly controlled by few corporations
14:01 schestowitz-TR; and their aim is never to actually help or inform you
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14:05 schestowitz-TR; I will be happy when I'm on full control ofm my thought process and attention spam, requires removing external factors like notification
14:05 schestowitz-TR; and engagement-driven provocation, as noted above. I think being able to think clearly or compose thoughts is key to bliss.
14:05 thisideup; they just pissed cause linux desktop is taking their place in russia
14:06 schestowitz-TR; microsoft?
14:06 thisideup; yes
14:06 schestowitz-TR; that too
14:08 thisideup; https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/windows-10s-22h2-update-might-not-actually-do-much-of-anything/
14:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Windows 10s 22H2 update might not actually do much of anything | Ars Technica
14:08 thisideup; thei just teasin russian cause they cant update
14:11 schestowitz-TR; updates can be worse
14:11 schestowitz-TR; can be back doors
14:11 schestowitz-TR; custom-made for Russians
14:12 schestowitz-TR; they should quit using windows altogether
14:12 schestowitz-TR; if they care
14:12 schestowitz-TR; not that I support putin
14:12 Techrights-sec2; ack
14:12 Techrights-sec2; M$ is always attacking, that's just the nature of the cult
14:12 Techrights-sec2; they attack because they can there were some Plaintiff's Exhibits to that
14:12 Techrights-sec2; effect saying it flat out
14:14 psydroid2; if I were Russia I would have thrown M$ out and demanded critical applications be ported to GNU/Linux a long time ago
14:22 schestowitz-TR; they said they would
14:22 schestowitz-TR; but the cult has presence there
14:22 schestowitz-TR; to try to "defuse" rationality
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14:53 thisideup; I love google
14:57 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Going Increasingly Dark (Intransparent) About COVID-19 Data Just When Its Surging at Astounding Rates (Worst Summer on Record) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/covid-19-patients-in-hospital/
14:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Going Increasingly Dark (Intransparent) About COVID-19 Data Just When Its Surging at Astounding Rates (Worst Summer on Record)
14:57 schestowitz-TR; thisideup: no you don't.. ;-)
14:58 schestowitz-TR; Techrights-sec2: the issue is not exercise, the issue is how I stack up todo items and deal with overload of info spillover (calls on phone are super-bad)
14:58 schestowitz-TR; I did a video this morning about how I can exercise while reading
14:58 schestowitz-TR; and 'standing desk'
14:59 schestowitz-TR; trying to buffer intent to do actions a-z is the hard part
14:59 schestowitz-TR; after 3 items it's easy to lose track, so need to shield from overload or start taking notes down
15:10 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:58 schestowitz-TR; "Linux gamer" so lost in terms of topics... "Picking parts for our new PC!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
15:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw )
17:09 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:11 schestowitz-TR; lesson of the day: clown computing = lunacy
17:12 schestowitz-TR; target: world's largest (almost) municipality
17:12 schestowitz-TR; downtime duration: 40 mins
17:12 schestowitz-TR; cause: billing
17:12 schestowitz-TR; greedy jeff bezos wants more money
17:12 schestowitz-TR; root access not enough
17:12 schestowitz-TR; large municipality: fail. db exceeds 45 gb
17:12 schestowitz-TR; techrights: it's OK, our DB can also exceed 500GB ;-)
17:12 schestowitz-TR; no need to ask the world's richest person, across the Atlantic, for permission
17:12 schestowitz-TR; also: method of resolution: access PROPRIETARY GUI
17:12 schestowitz-TR; IF you have credentials
17:12 schestowitz-TR; (we don't)
17:13 schestowitz-TR; russian hackers, hold 'yo beer
17:13 schestowitz-TR; we have incompetent managers who outsourced the infra to "Sleepy Joe"
17:13 schestowitz-TR; and who replaced mantris with jira
17:13 schestowitz-TR; and... put the code in Microsoft ShitHub (Inner Source)
17:14 Techrights-sec2; and artificial constraints
17:14 Techrights-sec2; yes arbitrary billing problems that would not have occured if they had
17:14 Techrights-sec2; properly self-hosted instead
17:14 Techrights-sec2; yes that's another thing which has bothered me increasingly about these
17:14 Techrights-sec2; clown services, they are only accessible for the most part through proprietary
17:14 Techrights-sec2; interfaces and no longer commodity technologies
17:14 Techrights-sec2; decommoditization through proprietary interfaces
17:14 Techrights-sec2; and, intentionally, the knowledge is not transferable between clown services
17:17 schestowitz-TR; "yo, get certified dudes"
17:17 schestowitz-TR; and use the "skills" within 1 year, otherwise it's expired
17:17 schestowitz-TR; the GUIs will chance all the time, so you need to join the diploma (TREAD)mill
17:17 schestowitz-TR; that's today's "IT"
17:17 schestowitz-TR; sold by resellers to other resellers and idiots like campinos
17:17 schestowitz-TR; today's browsers are like that too
17:17 schestowitz-TR; cert expired 1 minutesa ago!! RISK!!! "GET ME OUT!!!"
17:17 schestowitz-TR; some web host, iirc, did something similar to me
17:17 schestowitz-TR; instead of informing me of something
17:17 schestowitz-TR; takee the site/service down first
17:17 schestowitz-TR; this is typical
17:17 schestowitz-TR; wordpress.com the same
17:17 schestowitz-TR; or twitter
17:17 schestowitz-TR; suspension first
17:17 schestowitz-TR; then appeal
17:17 schestowitz-TR; which they ignore anyway
17:17 schestowitz-TR; I lost track od things that lack prior communication (before action) to lessen downtime, panic, angst
17:18 schestowitz-TR; [downtime] "haha, NOW that we got your attention...!!"
17:20 schestowitz-TR; not only in computing
17:20 schestowitz-TR; power shut-off
17:20 schestowitz-TR; water I think is hard to shut off remotely
17:20 schestowitz-TR; "return to sender" without contacting you
17:20 schestowitz-TR; many things like this I've noticed
17:20 schestowitz-TR; "ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS PHONE ME FIRST!"
17:28 Techrights-sec2; the better way would been to require / force the clown services to
17:28 Techrights-sec2; have 1) a KVM-style console and 2) SSH
17:28 Techrights-sec2; that's it
17:28 Techrights-sec2; yes the "certifiation" continues to be a fraudulent, expensive scam
17:28 Techrights-sec2; not just the expired server certs, and argument can be made for that, however
17:28 Techrights-sec2; the *big* problem is that they all but outright block permanently certificates
17:28 Techrights-sec2; that are vouched for by anything other than a handful of shyster companies
17:30 schestowitz-TR; hence, we use the term "cartel" sometimes
17:30 schestowitz-TR; mark shuttlecock [sic] sold a share of this cartel
17:30 schestowitz-TR; verisign
17:30 schestowitz-TR; in turn, they exercise a lot of power
17:30 schestowitz-TR; not some company in SA or little island near england (with its physical office in london)
17:30 schestowitz-TR; but ANOTHER SU firm...
17:30 schestowitz-TR; while the CAs or china s and russia (BRICS) are vil and black and dark
17:30 schestowitz-TR; *evil
17:31 schestowitz-TR; for all we know, even the "defence" budget could taker over his share of the cartel
17:31 schestowitz-TR; which amounts to nothing more than some compouter issuing and "signing" a bunch of random bytes
17:31 schestowitz-TR; what a scam
17:31 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:33 schestowitz-TR; as you told andy lasy year 'round xmas time, wait and watch how the # of domains in the CAs "trusted" shrinks
17:33 schestowitz-TR; over time, just like food giants and media conglemerates
17:33 schestowitz-TR; to the point where "trust" just means "we are the GoodGuys(TM)"
17:33 schestowitz-TR; and no pretence of openess or willingness to trust those that aren'e "good" like "Microsoft Philanthripies(TM)"
17:33 Techrights-sec2; web certificates are a confidence game
17:35 schestowitz-TR; they also had data breaches and millions of invalidly or improperly issued certs, e.g. in LE and IIRC also godaddy at one point
17:35 schestowitz-TR; so that confidence also relies on them being in control of their own systems
17:35 schestowitz-TR; whether illfuilly or nitot
17:35 schestowitz-TR; In TR articles about LE I gave the examples of Gemalto several times (recall snowdlden's NSA leaks)
17:35 schestowitz-TR; and that "trusted" Swiss company that was in fact secretly owned by the CIA< based on verified press reports
17:36 Techrights-sec2; yes
17:36 Techrights-sec2; it is about conformance and extortion of payment not actual
17:36 Techrights-sec2; authenticity or confidentiality
17:36 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:39 schestowitz-TR; to me, TOFU is better
17:39 schestowitz-TR; it's decentralised in nature
17:39 schestowitz-TR; you can even announc: in 30 days I will change my random bytes
17:39 schestowitz-TR; if you see an error after dae x/y/z, press OK, proceed
17:39 schestowitz-TR; heck, better yet, generate it in advantage and give fingerprint or public part in advance, as a headsup
17:39 schestowitz-TR; buying a cert is not easy when your site is based in kenya
17:39 schestowitz-TR; and most kenyans use chrome
17:39 schestowitz-TR; LE is subsidised
17:39 schestowitz-TR; it's not free
17:39 schestowitz-TR; sometimes pays for the lights and the power bills
17:40 schestowitz-TR; and they outsource both their operatiions and their web site to microsoft github
17:40 schestowitz-TR; which tells you how serious they are about security
17:40 Techrights-sec2; I think LE has been partially subverted which is why M$ GitHub is involved at
17:40 Techrights-sec2; all
17:42 schestowitz-TR; the person who made LE is not the boss of kaniini
17:42 schestowitz-TR; I won't name the company
17:42 schestowitz-TR; but you saw some logs related to that
17:42 schestowitz-TR; anyway, they try to outdo 'secure' boot by decentralising the thing
17:42 schestowitz-TR; to challenge microsoft monopoly on that
17:42 schestowitz-TR; I am against the computer refusing to boot
17:42 schestowitz-TR; they say, OK, we have this... but let's take the control out of Microsoft's hands
17:42 schestowitz-TR; SJVN did a puff piece for them about 2 months ago
17:42 schestowitz-TR; in an LF-bribed publisher
17:42 schestowitz-TR; thenewstack iirc
17:42 schestowitz-TR; /now the boss
17:42 schestowitz-TR; not "not the boss"
17:42 Techrights-sec2; I think LE has been partially subverted which is why M$ GitHub is involved at
17:42 Techrights-sec2; all
17:42 Techrights-sec2; ^subverted and/or partially abandoned as far as its goals go
17:42 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:42 Techrights-sec2; ok
17:45 schestowitz-TR; I think TR is one of VERY few sites that routinely speak about this issue
17:45 schestowitz-TR; at the very least to raise awareness and encourage critical thinking in this otherwise
17:45 schestowitz-TR; more technical-than-necessary (they use jargon to hype up the clevernesss or complexiity) "thing"
17:45 schestowitz-TR; if put in simpler terms, people realise what this "browser warning" really is about
17:45 schestowitz-TR; and why it's unjust on many levels
17:45 schestowitz-TR; making it hard to self-host
17:45 schestowitz-TR; also more expensive
17:45 schestowitz-TR; easier to censor
17:45 schestowitz-TR; we've not yet seen the CAs revoking CAs to censor (ish)
17:45 schestowitz-TR; but DNS is already leveraged as such, to this effect...
17:47 Techrights-sec2; restricted boot is a very bad problem and it combines with the other layers
17:47 Techrights-sec2; of restriction
17:47 Techrights-sec2; I'm not sure about that, I suspect that 99.99% go with the presence or absence
17:47 Techrights-sec2; of the lock icon :(
17:47 Techrights-sec2; CAs have been abused; IIRC some ISPs in Turkey or some other dictatorship
17:47 Techrights-sec2; were forcing "customers" to backdoor their browsers' CA stash
17:47 Techrights-sec2; most ISPs don't even help customers to set up DNSSEC or for that matter
17:47 Techrights-sec2; even encourage it, assuming they even have it set up and available
17:47 Techrights-sec2; :/
17:47 schestowitz-TR; the CA revocation treadmill might start with some literally nazi sites
17:47 schestowitz-TR; you can't say "no", can you?
17:47 schestowitz-TR; you can lose your job ;-)
17:47 schestowitz-TR; unless you are unemployed like activelow
17:47 schestowitz-TR; he had 2 new nyms today
17:49 schestowitz-TR; the nymshifting, I think, it due to reciving insults
17:49 schestowitz-TR; being ignored
17:49 schestowitz-TR; and losing legitimacy fast
17:49 schestowitz-TR; like a nazi going into a pub
17:49 schestowitz-TR; sooner or later he realises nobody wants him there
17:49 schestowitz-TR; but in the pub you don't get to wear 10 different masks over time
17:49 schestowitz-TR; we hoped the occasional snub or insult would send the message
17:50 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:58 Techrights-sec2; though I suppose it depends on what his goals are with / against the channel
17:59 schestowitz-TR; not a mole, for sure, I know the name
18:00 thisideup; why are you talking to the bot?
18:02 schestowitz-TR; it's not a bot, michael
18:02 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:02 thisideup; schestowitz-
18:02 schestowitz-TR; TechRights
18:03 thisideup; tell it to the kids
18:03 schestowitz-TR; the EPO's union and CSC has been eerily quiet this past day
18:03 schestowitz-TR; I'm thinking the next step is morre indutrial action
18:03 schestowitz-TR; I've copied some good new comments into #techbytes
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18:04 schestowitz-TR; I don't trust Kluwer, they already had DB disasters in the past and seevral consecutive days of downtime
18:04 schestowitz-TR; they also publish infrequently
18:04 schestowitz-TR; they only get comments when they write about EPO abuses
18:04 thisideup; theres a new monky island coming up
18:04 schestowitz-TR; maybe that's a hint to them
18:04 schestowitz-TR; re topics that need covering
18:05 schestowitz-TR; yes, I saw
18:05 schestowitz-TR; I loved the games from Sierra
18:05 schestowitz-TR; was it Sierra?
18:05 schestowitz-TR; Lucas?
18:05 thisideup; its a great game for fencing arguments
18:06 schestowitz-TR; this is why we back up "important" (as per topic) comments
18:06 schestowitz-TR; they probably will go into a black hole within 5-10 years otherwise
18:06 schestowitz-TR; just like LinuxToday and Groklaw comments
18:06 schestowitz-TR; resigns, dhutdowns, faiiled D-R...
18:06 schestowitz-TR; *redesign
18:06 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:08 thisideup; Monkey Island 2 Special Edition: LeChuck's Revenge
18:08 schestowitz-TR; had we had RELIABLE press in Europe, those comments would have little value
18:08 schestowitz-TR; you'd just need the URL of the articles
18:08 schestowitz-TR; or the wayback machine for these
18:08 schestowitz-TR; but there is ZERO press coverage
18:08 schestowitz-TR; the big story was relagated to "blog comments"
18:08 schestowitz-TR; those whichh they allow
18:08 schestowitz-TR; they cull many
18:08 schestowitz-TR; seems EPO now threatsns Kluwer
18:08 schestowitz-TR; like it had done IP Kat and me
18:08 schestowitz-TR; based on an editorial text that they added last week
18:08 schestowitz-TR; maybe threats of defamation lawsuit
18:09 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:09 Techrights-sec2; yes there is a lot of loss
18:09 schestowitz-TR; thisideup: I posted a link to that some days ago
18:09 schestowitz-TR; it brought back memories
18:09 schestowitz-TR; dosbox can still run the original
18:09 schestowitz-TR; or scummvm
18:09 Techrights-sec2; I hope they don't knuckle under
18:09 Techrights-sec2; and are able to deal with what sounds like a SLAPP
18:10 schestowitz-TR; yes, I did a video about my impression of it
18:10 schestowitz-TR; what typically happens is,
18:10 schestowitz-TR; they get cold freet
18:10 schestowitz-TR; *feet
18:10 schestowitz-TR; and then move to another topic
18:10 schestowitz-TR; which is what EPO Mafia(TM) wants
18:11 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:13 schestowitz-TR; the staff reps must be terribly exhausted
18:13 schestowitz-TR; in other news, last night we made progress at work
18:13 schestowitz-TR; now they're willing to consider part-timers
18:13 schestowitz-TR; and run a survey to check interests and preferences
18:13 schestowitz-TR; deadline july 8
18:13 schestowitz-TR; i need to think carefully what to choose
18:13 schestowitz-TR; lkike which times, days etc.
18:13 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:13 schestowitz-TR; *like
18:15 Techrights-sec2; 8 july is coming up very soon
18:15 Techrights-sec2; tomorrow is already the 1st
18:15 Techrights-sec2; so it's basically a week from now
18:17 schestowitz-TR; yes, it is on my todo list for tonight
18:17 schestowitz-TR; among many other things
18:17 schestowitz-TR; after I forgoit something earlier today I became super-meticulous in note-taking
18:17 schestowitz-TR; not sure if you saw the video about the desk and exercise
18:17 schestowitz-TR; since the above incident I forgot nothing, even when the list gre rather long
18:17 schestowitz-TR; my rss feeds are clean except for the opml bits, which i can catch up with in the
18:17 schestowitz-TR; weekend anyway
18:17 schestowitz-TR; you already "dilute" them when you go through these, I just swoop through the
18:17 schestowitz-TR; remainder/remains/leftovers
18:17 Techrights-sec2; excellent
18:18 schestowitz-TR; I got some work tasks for tonight and then the "end of month" tasks, which take about 30 mins to complete
18:18 schestowitz-TR; mostly the gemini stuff
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18:19 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:26 schestowitz-TR; next week a client (university) is added
18:26 schestowitz-TR; and it's a quiet one
18:26 schestowitz-TR; universities outsource
18:26 schestowitz-TR; as they lack sufficient in-house folks
18:26 schestowitz-TR; "Ansible in AWS"
18:39 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> COVID-19 in England: Cases Up 35.1% This Past Week (Deaths Up 30.1%, Hospitalisations Up 33.4%) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/england-covid-cases/
18:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive COVID-19 in England: Cases Up 35.1% This Past Week (Deaths Up 30.1%, Hospitalisations Up 33.4%)
18:40 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:40 Techrights-sec2; eww, AWS
18:41 schestowitz-TR; covid-19 in uk, like epo issue, is me trying to fill up a vacuum
18:41 schestowitz-TR; because it's still a big issue which the masses are told to ignore
18:41 schestowitz-TR; yes, like EPO abuses
18:41 schestowitz-TR; when everyone closelyt involved KNOWS it is a catastrophe
18:42 schestowitz; covid-19 + mortality figures are STILL available, but not as frequently
18:50 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:08 schestowitz-TR; OK, I am about to send my form
19:08 schestowitz-TR; the way it is laid out
19:08 schestowitz-TR; rianne and I ask for 16 hours, 8 break, 16 on again, then 5 days off
19:08 schestowitz-TR; if we get that approved
19:08 Techrights-sec2; interesting choice of schedule
19:08 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:08 schestowitz-TR; it makes some things simpler and it's weekend, hence quiet
19:08 schestowitz-TR; there are pros and cons
19:08 schestowitz-TR; long breaks and less hassle associated with preparing
19:08 schestowitz-TR; handovers etc.
19:09 schestowitz-TR; more swift when we take over for 16-hour slots
19:09 schestowitz-TR; ok, finalised for now
19:09 schestowitz-TR; whether we get that is another question
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19:22 schestowitz; "
19:22 schestowitz; okay all the user wants is an easy editable file based wiki.
19:22 schestowitz; Why exactly should this CSS compiler be needed?
19:22 schestowitz; the bloatware dokuwiki currently spans no less than:
19:22 schestowitz; wget https://download.dokuwiki.org/out/dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz
19:22 schestowitz; tar fxvz dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz
19:22 schestowitz; find ./dokuwiki |wc -l
19:22 schestowitz; 5579 files
19:22 schestowitz; "
19:23 schestowitz; "
19:23 schestowitz; (much less than some php frameworks but still a lot of files with a lot of stuff that could go wrong)
19:23 schestowitz; once again violating UNIX K.I.S.S and leading to disasters
19:23 schestowitz; PS: while a software as complex as DokuWiki has become DEFINATELY contains errors (like a very very faulty SPAM detection mechanism)
19:23 schestowitz; Tthe hel forum https://forum.dokuwiki.org/ is engaging in utter useless overblocking.
19:23 schestowitz; As soon as the user posts a single example link (even if that link does not even work)
19:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-forum.dokuwiki.org | DokuWiki User Forum
19:23 schestowitz; It is reported as spam and the user is blocked forever. Be Brave New Web World.
19:23 schestowitz; "
19:26 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Microsoft is down even further, as usual https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/06/30/june-2022-web-server-survey.html
19:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | June 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
19:33 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:35 schestowitz-TR; they had come to accept defeat there (like a hydra without mana) but now the strategy is infitrating the winners
19:35 schestowitz-TR; or cooping Linux (e.g. "Azure", even WSL as a server... yes, I saw some people trying that!!)
19:36 Techrights-sec2; As mentioned Azure is probably propped up in the budget by ongoing cannibalism
19:36 Techrights-sec2; of other departments.
19:37 schestowitz-TR; and buyout
19:37 schestowitz-TR; e.g. buy some embedded OS
19:37 schestowitz-TR; slap the "azure" label on it
19:37 schestowitz-TR; anyting to bolster these illusion of "growth"
19:40 psydruid; all overly complex solutions will die and be replaced
19:40 schestowitz-TR; like some wiki software
19:40 schestowitz-TR; almost 6000 files
19:40 schestowitz-TR; unbelievable
19:40 schestowitz-TR; all you want is a wiki for maybe 10 pages
19:41 schestowitz-TR; and you end up with this monster
20:06 Techrights-sec2; M$ has long given the illusion of growth through purchasing. In general they
20:06 Techrights-sec2; aim to buy the weakest, crappiest competitor out of the market. That, for
20:06 Techrights-sec2; example, is how the acquired FrontPage
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