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07:58 schestowitz-TR; good morning

07:58 schestowitz-TR; yes, re your remark on ddos

07:58 schestowitz-TR; I constantly feel compelled to pick the FUD and respond to it at least with one liners

07:58 schestowitz-TR; that might not get noticed much

07:58 schestowitz-TR; but even in TM and TR those same FUD patterns can be undone

07:58 schestowitz-TR; and maybe readers will "take from from there" and rebut similarly


8 AM, June 30

08:00 schestowitz-TR; itwire used to be posting good rebuttals to fud

08:00 schestowitz-TR; always from sam

08:00 schestowitz-TR; I see he and hos co's now have mandatory microsoft spam to churn out

08:00 schestowitz-TR; to defuse such rebuttals of FUD

08:00 schestowitz-TR; or saturate to the point nobody will bother reading these

08:11 Techrights-sec2; yes there has been a terrible uptick in M$ spam there somewhat recently

08:11 Techrights-sec2; yes

08:11 schestowitz-TR; like with upc, no perfect way to respond

08:11 schestowitz-TR; for starters, you give visibility to something otherwise seen by just a handful of people

08:11 schestowitz-TR; so I think a token, quick rebuttal, with repetition can help

08:11 schestowitz-TR; same for gates foundation a decade ago

08:11 schestowitz-TR; so the crimtical thinking kicks off

08:11 schestowitz-TR; "it's not just me thinking this is BS..."

08:11 Techrights-sec2; the spam is damaging ITWire badly and it will soon be time to skip over

08:11 Techrights-sec2; checking it daily for news

08:13 schestowitz-TR; less than a year ago we did, for maybe a month, have itwire in auto,

08:13 schestowitz-TR; but it fatigued me as maybe I found one REAL ARTICLE (as in REAL) among a seas of

08:13 schestowitz-TR; BS/spam. Not just ON-TOPIC of topic of interest to me, but something that

08:13 schestowitz-TR; did nor smack of TFIR spamnil

08:13 schestowitz-TR; the "extremely well-connected" "filmmaker"

08:14 Techrights-sec2; there are not so many on-topic articles there since the spam surge and

08:14 Techrights-sec2; of course even fewer relevant articles then

08:15 schestowitz-TR; those are two separate aspects

08:15 schestowitz-TR; one is akin to disinformation

08:15 schestowitz-TR; so it's not merely time-wasting

08:15 schestowitz-TR; it can do actual damage

08:15 Techrights-sec2; saturate, diffuse, confuse

08:15 Techrights-sec2; as a means of shutting down topics and sites

08:19 schestowitz-TR; upside: SN recognises that it is under attack

08:19 schestowitz-TR; downside: they seem to think spam is the problem; from what I saw, it might be astroturfing

08:19 schestowitz-TR; like the astorturfing chris dibona privately told me about (when he was running ./)

08:20 schestowitz-TR; /.

08:20 schestowitz-TR; BTW, I was just thinking one hour ago:

08:20 schestowitz-TR; how to best explain why TR does not have comments anymore

08:20 schestowitz-TR; none this year

08:20 schestowitz-TR; they are too much of a liability

08:20 schestowitz-TR; companies can deface posts

08:20 schestowitz-TR; I suspected there was such an attempt in schestowitz.com

08:20 schestowitz-TR; to get it deindexed on a certain topic

08:22 Techrights-sec2; it is a problem of shills and astroturfing, naively mistaken as spam

08:22 Techrights-sec2; there's no way to log in and comment nor to log in and make an account

08:22 Techrights-sec2; then the UI is not very good and then perhaps most importantly

08:22 Techrights-sec2; it is out of fashion to comment at a site since most sites that still

08:22 Techrights-sec2; deal with comments outsource it to social control media instead so that

08:22 Techrights-sec2; it can be manipulated and censored for political means

08:23 schestowitz-TR; trolling example

08:23 schestowitz-TR; person A posts story: microsoft is good

08:24 schestowitz-TR; persob B replies agreeing

08:24 schestowitz-TR; many people don't agree

08:24 schestowitz-TR; and here they are wasting a TON of energy getting angry at the people who lie for Microsoft

08:24 schestowitz-TR; both persons A and B are a problem

08:24 schestowitz-TR; we had this issue in IRC, like people who bring up sex

08:24 schestowitz-TR; days ago the channel became about abortionbs, masturbation and other off-putting stuff

08:24 schestowitz-TR; irc is like our comments section

08:24 schestowitz-TR; but at least it is very much isolated from pertinent posts

08:24 schestowitz-TR; linking to irc to claim something about a site is something debian disliked

08:24 schestowitz-TR; very often projects introduce CoCs for this reason

08:24 Techrights-sec2; yes that's a similar phenomenon

08:34 schestowitz-TR; "Outrage divident"

08:34 schestowitz-TR; apt term re ^^^

08:34 schestowitz-TR; it's "soping"

08:34 schestowitz-TR; doping

08:34 schestowitz-TR; short-term gain in traffic

08:34 schestowitz-TR; angry people

08:34 schestowitz-TR; but it leads toa formation of resistance

08:34 schestowitz-TR; so in the long run people don't come back

08:34 schestowitz-TR; SN is making errorss

08:34 schestowitz-TR; by creating resistance to readers

08:34 schestowitz-TR; TM tries hard to avoid shit like WSL and Edg

08:34 schestowitz-TR; no need to create strong emotional reaction

08:34 schestowitz-TR; like LXer does sometimes

08:34 schestowitz-TR; *dividend

08:34 schestowitz-TR; some amateurs see that certain toxic storeies get more hits

08:34 schestowitz-TR; so they post more and more of them

08:34 schestowitz-TR; without realising the damage this 'doping' does to 'internal organs'

08:34 schestowitz-TR; and that's how sites die ime

08:36 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:36 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:37 schestowitz-TR; why would russia target norway?

08:37 schestowitz-TR; any special reason?c

08:37 schestowitz-TR; could be some 'stray' crackers, but I've not been paying attention to nordic politics in re russia

08:39 Techrights-sec2; norway is in NATO and there have been fights over oil and fishing. the fishing

08:39 Techrights-sec2; fights are, IMHO, because 1) that's where the political power is/was in Norway

08:39 Techrights-sec2; and 2) it is the only barrier to the oil

08:44 Techrights-sec2; cyberattacks are just one means of several used to politically destabilize the

08:44 Techrights-sec2; region; others include using settlers en masse to establish competing colonies

08:44 Techrights-sec2; within the contested territories, as well as combining all of the above with

08:44 Techrights-sec2; massive disinformation and social control campaigns via social control media

08:44 schestowitz-TR; it's like an experiment

08:44 schestowitz-TR; rt and sputnik have lojng played off the extreme right and the unwanted immigrants

08:44 schestowitz-TR; it was so successful that they do this in the US now

08:44 schestowitz-TR; and the countrry is fighting itself, becoming a laughing stock

08:44 schestowitz-TR; much of this was enabled by internationalisation of comms

08:44 schestowitz-TR; iow, the pentagon's "Internet" (ARPA) turned against itself

08:44 schestowitz-TR; Both RT and Sputnik invited me

08:45 schestowitz-TR; but only to "bash" the West

08:45 schestowitz-TR; I'm not THAT foolish

08:45 schestowitz-TR; Annie Machon has mostly vanished from site the past few years

08:45 schestowitz-TR; as did RMS

08:45 schestowitz-TR; and jill stein is something in history books

08:48 schestowitz-TR; yes, they do that; the immigration is not the problem; it is the settlement

08:48 schestowitz-TR; yet they (RT , Sputnik) cultivate anger at all newcomers, whether hostile or not

08:48 schestowitz-TR; yes they eventually get the country fighting itself while at least one half

08:48 schestowitz-TR; concurrently works to undermine the nation

08:48 schestowitz-TR; The Internet is still ok, with the exception of BGP and DNS, what is not ok

08:48 schestowitz-TR; is the social control media with rides atop the Internet

08:48 schestowitz-TR; That was a smart decision; RT and Sputnik would have only worked against TR's

08:48 schestowitz-TR; goals and later reputation;

08:48 schestowitz-TR; RMS has mostly had good judgment but it was dumb to speak to them

08:48 schestowitz-TR; since, from the "interview", it was very clear they had *no* interest

08:48 schestowitz-TR; in software or software freedom and were only interested in anti-US sound bites

08:48 schestowitz-TR; However, RMS fatal mistake was not the mailing list faux pas but the inexcusiabinexcusably dumb decision to go to Redmond. They whacked him at that point

08:48 schestowitz-TR; .

08:48 schestowitz-TR; leaving his last prominent public appearance in the hands of M$ spinmeisters

08:48 schestowitz-TR; anyway the far right / extremist on the right are wound up about misdirections

08:48 schestowitz-TR; instead of going after the real problem in their society:

08:49 Techrights-sec2; yes, they do that; the immigration is not the problem; it is the settlement

08:49 Techrights-sec2; yet they (RT , Sputnik) cultivate anger at all newcomers, whether hostile or not

08:49 Techrights-sec2; yes they eventually get the country fighting itself while at least one half

08:49 Techrights-sec2; concurrently works to undermine the nation

08:49 Techrights-sec2; The Internet is still ok, with the exception of BGP and DNS, what is not ok

08:49 Techrights-sec2; is the social control media with rides atop the Internet

08:49 Techrights-sec2; That was a smart decision; RT and Sputnik would have only worked against TR's

08:49 Techrights-sec2; goals and later reputation;

08:49 Techrights-sec2; RMS has mostly had good judgment but it was dumb to speak to them

08:49 Techrights-sec2; since, from the "interview", it was very clear they had *no* interest

08:49 Techrights-sec2; in software or software freedom and were only interested in anti-US sound bites

08:49 Techrights-sec2; However, RMS fatal mistake was not the mailing list faux pas but the inexcusiabinexcusably dumb decision to go to Redmond. They whacked him at that point

08:49 Techrights-sec2; .

08:49 Techrights-sec2; leaving his last prominent public appearance in the hands of M$ spinmeisters

08:49 Techrights-sec2; anyway the far right / extremist on the right are wound up about misdirections

08:49 Techrights-sec2; instead of going after the real problem in their society:

08:49 Techrights-sec2; the media and many officials also do what they can to facilitate that misdirection

08:53 Techrights-sec2; the key problem with the US elections is the first-past-the-post method

08:53 Techrights-sec2; of counting a "winner" rather than using proportional representation;

08:53 Techrights-sec2; some states are starting to correct that but both sides of the oligarch's

08:53 Techrights-sec2; group are heaviliy invested in the status quo and it is too late to change

08:53 Techrights-sec2; for the 2024 election so it will be more or less a repetition ofthe 2016

08:53 Techrights-sec2; fiasco

08:53 Techrights-sec2; social control media and all

08:53 Techrights-sec2;

08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-30

↺ https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-30

08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-100 Percent Of The Vote - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-30 | Dilbert by Scott Adams

08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-29

↺ https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-29

08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Public Doesn't Trust Us - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-29 | Dilbert by Scott Adams

08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-28

↺ https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-28

08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ratbert In Charge Of Data Security - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-28 | Dilbert by Scott Adams

08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-27

↺ https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-27

08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Voting Machine Market - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-27 | Dilbert by Scott Adams

08:53 Techrights-sec2; however even the topic of immigration is fraught with both misinformation

08:54 Techrights-sec2; and disinformation as so many intentionally conflate illegal migration,

08:54 Techrights-sec2; colonization, asylum, and work-based immigration

08:54 schestowitz-TR; ack

08:54 schestowitz-TR; checking the strips

08:54 schestowitz-TR; I used to watch dilbert every day

08:54 schestowitz-TR; the plasma thing was leaking RAM

08:54 schestowitz-TR; so I stopped

08:56 Techrights-sec2; If I had to guess a lot of that is somehow related to knocking the bottom

08:56 Techrights-sec2; out of the labor market with the "gig economy" projects like Wolt, Uber,

08:56 Techrights-sec2; AirBNB, etc

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9 AM, June 30

09:00 schestowitz-TR; ok, so he risks being ncalled insurrectoinist and trump msupporter

09:00 schestowitz-TR; it's the latest narrrative

09:00 schestowitz-TR; for "voting" machione companies

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09:01 Techrights-sec2; is this site legit? https://fsfellowship.news/

↺ https://fsfellowship.news/

09:01 Techrights-sec2; yes they use strawman arguments to great effect to the detriment of the

09:01 Techrights-sec2; actual elections

09:01 Techrights-sec2; so all researchers on the topic are now marginalized as their cause gets

09:01 Techrights-sec2; picked up and replaced by crazies

09:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.news | Free Software Fellowship

09:02 schestowitz-TR; edwin black worried his books would be used by pro-lifers

09:03 schestowitz-TR; because in his writings abotu eugenics he mentioned "Planned Parentlhood"

09:03 schestowitz-TR; which does have historical connections to eugenics

09:03 schestowitz-TR; so he wrote a disclaimer to distance himself and repel them

09:07 Techrights-sec2; ack

09:07 Techrights-sec2; J. Alex Halderman seems to have been forced into a very low profile

09:12 schestowitz-TR; lol, eu politicians in their 70s agree to half petrol cars 13 years from now

09:12 schestowitz-TR; I guuess they want cars that run on air when they are 6 feet under

09:12 schestowitz-TR; what political BS

09:12 schestowitz-TR; they could ban these immediately

09:12 Techrights-sec2; yes the deadline is so far into the future as to, careerwise, be "never"

09:13 schestowitz-TR; like microsoft pledges for some year when the company might no longer exist

09:13 schestowitz-TR; failing and bought by some other company for the trademarks

09:13 schestowitz; <li>

09:13 schestowitz; <h5><a href="https://danielpocock.com/debian-constitution-illegitimate/">Consent & Debian's illegitimate constitution</a></h5>

↺ https://danielpocock.com/debian-constitution-illegitimate/">Consent

09:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-danielpocock.com | Consent & Debian's illegitimate constitution

09:13 schestowitz; <blockquote>

09:13 schestowitz; <p>When a constitution was proposed in 1998, 357 co-authors of Debian were asked to vote on the constitution. This is not really voting though: people who gave a positive vote were agreeing to be members. People who gave a negative vote or did not vote at all have not consented to the constitution and therefore there is no way we can think of them as members of anything.</p>

09:13 schestowitz; <p>The names of people who voted were published. Those people, just 86 developers, became members of an association by giving their positive assent to be governed by a constitution in their dealings with each other.</p>

09:13 schestowitz; <p>That means there are 357 - 86 = 271 people, or 76 percent, who were satisfied to work on Debian as joint authors without any notion of an association.</p>

09:13 schestowitz; </blockquote>

09:13 schestowitz; </li>

09:16 Techrights-sec2; yes and while they delay, the damaging behavior goes on unabated

09:17 schestowitz-TR; "let's spin our POLLUTION as warming up people's homes"

09:17 schestowitz-TR; Zemlin: "you could pay me a couple of millions to say that you are green and your greeness is Linux(TM)-approved"

09:17 schestowitz-TR; "shut up, Linus, none of yout business; I did not ask for your opinion"

09:20 Techrights-sec2; ack

09:29 schestowitz-TR; kevin from shadowproof (used to be writing in other domains) has more or less become inactive

09:29 schestowitz-TR; except when something major happens in the assange case

09:29 schestowitz-TR; barrett bown also vainish afaict

09:29 schestowitz-TR; a lot of WBer-related circles was gaslit by the media in recent years

09:29 schestowitz-TR; it's like EPO scandals

09:29 Techrights-sec2; too many have become quiet of late

09:29 Techrights-sec2; that's true, I'd even forgotten about BB he has vanished so thoroughly

09:30 schestowitz-TR; he keeps a stain that makes it harder for him to seek employment in TX

09:30 schestowitz-TR; lots of typos above, sorry

09:30 Techrights-sec2; np

09:32 schestowitz-TR; I might call it the "malda effetc"

09:32 schestowitz-TR; one day you're a star

09:32 schestowitz-TR; then a nobody

09:32 schestowitz-TR; and it's hard to take, some sink into depression or other addictions like computer games

09:32 Techrights-sec2; computer games are a waste of life

09:34 schestowitz-TR; playtime for kids used to involve balls and pavements

09:34 schestowitz-TR; I guess that made them fitter and more social

09:35 schestowitz-TR; I wasted a lot of my childhood on games

09:35 schestowitz-TR; but mostly quests and strategy

09:35 schestowitz-TR; not shooting

09:35 schestowitz-TR; maybe better than watching TV, which I did too

09:37 Techrights-sec2; playing with SBC's whether general-purpose or microcontrollers would

09:37 Techrights-sec2; be much more constructive and even lead to positive side effects

09:37 Techrights-sec2; along those lines I see that MagPi 119 has been published:

09:37 Techrights-sec2; https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/issues/119

↺ https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/issues/119

09:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-magpi.raspberrypi.com | The MagPi issue 119 The MagPi magazine

09:38 Techrights-sec2; I see they are focusing more on their 'Pico' unit; I can guess several reasons

09:38 Techrights-sec2; one being that the parts shortages throughout the supply chain affect that

09:38 Techrights-sec2; type of board far less than their "full-sized" general-purpose boards

09:38 Techrights-sec2; worse than regular games, kids are now addicted to phone apps, such as (FB)

09:38 Techrights-sec2; instagram, tiktok, and others; that keeps them from interacting with

09:38 Techrights-sec2; eachother or anyone for that matter; so I would guess that a kid growing up

09:38 Techrights-sec2; now will have by age 20 the life experience of what a 12 year old used to have

09:38 Techrights-sec2; then at that age, even if they reform, it is way too late to make up lost time

09:38 Techrights-sec2; so their cognitive life is over without skills or experience

09:38 Techrights-sec2; TV was also a waste of time; looking back I regret even a minute of it

09:38 Techrights-sec2; though I grew out of it nearly 100% by late teens

09:41 Techrights-sec2; some types of games can help problem solving but only to a limited extent since

09:41 Techrights-sec2; they are so constrained; nowadays they are simply designed for addiction and

09:41 Techrights-sec2; pay-to-win in-game purchasing

09:42 schestowitz-TR; The incredible machine (tim) and tim2 were nice

09:42 schestowitz-TR; I still have notes with some titles of games I played

09:42 schestowitz-TR; I wrote their named down during very boring lectures

09:42 schestowitz-TR; trying to do something more useful with my time

09:42 schestowitz-TR; all those lectures were a waste of time

09:42 schestowitz-TR; I was like "extra" in an audicnece of some follow scholars whose work

09:42 schestowitz-TR; I did not care about and barely understood

09:42 schestowitz-TR; a lot of academia is like that

09:42 schestowitz-TR; we get to pretend to care fo presentations

09:42 schestowitz-TR; and do this mutually

09:42 schestowitz-TR; so it's like "I like your tweet, you will like mine in return"

09:45 Techrights-sec2; social control media, as mentioned, is probably the biggest addiction and

09:45 Techrights-sec2; timewaster that people are afflicted with, but on top of both those problems

09:45 Techrights-sec2; there is the severe matter that it is used to manipulate values and opinions

09:45 Techrights-sec2; with the younger crowd, it is setting their vaues, mores, and worldview --

09:45 Techrights-sec2; crookedly

09:45 schestowitz-TR; did you see the post I did this morning about kakistocracy?

09:45 schestowitz-TR; see the example given last

09:45 schestowitz-TR; I can relate to it as I saw it

09:46 Techrights-sec2; checking

09:46 Techrights-sec2; yes, though summary needed a bit about how Campinos was hired despite being

09:46 Techrights-sec2; unfit

09:46 Techrights-sec2; that's in the bitmap but not the readable text

09:46 schestowitz-TR; afaik, it was about battistelli

09:46 schestowitz-TR; I could add this ref:

09:50 schestowitz-TR; I cannot find it as I forgot the spelling of his french surname (not for the first time)

09:50 schestowitz-TR; it's something like berranas

09:50 schestowitz-TR; anyway, Battistelli is D player who brought another D, Campinos

09:50 schestowitz-TR; so it was a turning point

09:50 schestowitz-TR; those posts from yesterday were accessed a lot

09:50 schestowitz-TR; let's hope they influence person-to-p[erson disloagues

09:59 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> OpenLibrary https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/29/enjoy-digital-ownership-and-public-libraries-while-you-still-can/ | Source: Techdirt

↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/29/enjoy-digital-ownership-and-public-libraries-while-you-still-can/

09:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Enjoy Digital Ownership And Public Libraries While You Still Can | Techdirt


10 AM, June 30

10:03 schestowitz-TR; just realised no irc post yet today

10:07 Techrights-sec2; checking

10:07 Techrights-sec2; it's there, just somehow WP choked on it somehow and it "missed schedule"

10:07 Techrights-sec2; I'll give it a kick in the nads

10:07 Techrights-sec2; that happens fairly often lately

10:07 Techrights-sec2; anyway, it's publishe now

10:09 schestowitz-TR; asking any sites to REMOVE such functionality, however negligible, is like asking the cook to remove the mustard from your meakl

10:09 schestowitz-TR; (yes, commit log cartoon)

10:09 schestowitz-TR; or putting the toothpaste you don't need back inside the tube

10:22 schestowitz-TR; I think it qawas called Comic Log

10:22 schestowitz-TR; anyway, that too was a "plasmoid"

10:22 schestowitz-TR; before I realised itwas clobbering at my system due to a bug and removed them all

10:26 Techrights-sec2; It's not removing anything, rather it is swapping out a kilo of javascript

10:26 Techrights-sec2; for two more functional HTML elements. However, I do see your point, their

10:26 Techrights-sec2; goal might not be to reach the largest possible audience but instead show

10:26 Techrights-sec2; off how "clever" they are through excessive and unnecessary javascript

10:26 Techrights-sec2; afflictions

10:26 Techrights-sec2; the 'Sunk Cost Fallacy' might also rear its ugly head in that they've already

10:27 Techrights-sec2; paid for the javascript development and therefore feel compelled to use it

10:27 Techrights-sec2; no matter how much it hurts

10:27 Techrights-sec2; Commit Log is not indexed in some of the search engines

10:27 Techrights-sec2; in the news, the one remaining bataclan terrorist will be able to continue

10:27 Techrights-sec2; his work but now from behind bars instead of spending the time reforming

10:27 Techrights-sec2; presumably he will spread his agenda to others if he allowed contact with

10:27 Techrights-sec2; other prisoners

10:27 Techrights-sec2; Can't find the comic link still

10:27 Techrights-sec2; dang that was difficult to dig out: https://www.commitstrip.com/en/

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10:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-CommitStrip | The blog relating the daily life of web agency developers

10:29 schestowitz-TR; I've just tried, in vain, to find the cartoon

10:29 schestowitz-TR; it does not matter much

10:29 schestowitz-TR; you may have seen it already

10:38 Techrights-sec2; I've only seen a few from that strip

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1 PM, June 30

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2 PM, June 30

14:01 schestowitz-TR; just fyi

14:01 schestowitz-TR; today too the FUD from Microsoft continues

14:01 schestowitz-TR; they are not even subtle about attacking the "Linux" brand

14:01 schestowitz-TR; I rebut quieltly

14:01 schestowitz-TR; not giving it TOO much visibility

14:01 schestowitz-TR; as an aside, earlier I lost my concentration asnd forgot something I was gonna do

14:01 schestowitz-TR; I still experiment with sleeping patterns and study their effect on memory

14:01 schestowitz-TR; I did, however, manage to produce alot in TR lately

14:01 schestowitz-TR; Gulag Noise was such an utter waste of time in retrospect

14:01 schestowitz-TR; no better than social control media

14:01 schestowitz-TR; it became a sort of form of it

14:01 schestowitz-TR; same for gulagtube

14:01 schestowitz-TR; the internet as a whole seems "unhealthy" because of the way

14:01 schestowitz-TR; it cluster and delivers things

14:01 schestowitz-TR; it's mostly controlled by few corporations

14:01 schestowitz-TR; and their aim is never to actually help or inform you

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14:05 schestowitz-TR; I will be happy when I'm on full control ofm my thought process and attention spam, requires removing external factors like notification

14:05 schestowitz-TR; and engagement-driven provocation, as noted above. I think being able to think clearly or compose thoughts is key to bliss.

14:05 thisideup; they just pissed cause linux desktop is taking their place in russia

14:06 schestowitz-TR; microsoft?

14:06 thisideup; yes

14:06 schestowitz-TR; that too

14:08 thisideup; https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/windows-10s-22h2-update-might-not-actually-do-much-of-anything/

↺ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/windows-10s-22h2-update-might-not-actually-do-much-of-anything/

14:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Windows 10s 22H2 update might not actually do much of anything | Ars Technica

14:08 thisideup; thei just teasin russian cause they cant update

14:11 schestowitz-TR; updates can be worse

14:11 schestowitz-TR; can be back doors

14:11 schestowitz-TR; custom-made for Russians

14:12 schestowitz-TR; they should quit using windows altogether

14:12 schestowitz-TR; if they care

14:12 schestowitz-TR; not that I support putin

14:12 Techrights-sec2; ack

14:12 Techrights-sec2; M$ is always attacking, that's just the nature of the cult

14:12 Techrights-sec2; they attack because they can there were some Plaintiff's Exhibits to that

14:12 Techrights-sec2; effect saying it flat out

14:14 psydroid2; if I were Russia I would have thrown M$ out and demanded critical applications be ported to GNU/Linux a long time ago

14:22 schestowitz-TR; they said they would

14:22 schestowitz-TR; but the cult has presence there

14:22 schestowitz-TR; to try to "defuse" rationality

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14:53 thisideup; I love google

14:57 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Going Increasingly Dark (Intransparent) About COVID-19 Data Just When Its Surging at Astounding Rates (Worst Summer on Record) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/covid-19-patients-in-hospital/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/covid-19-patients-in-hospital/

14:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Going Increasingly Dark (Intransparent) About COVID-19 Data Just When Its Surging at Astounding Rates (Worst Summer on Record)

14:57 schestowitz-TR; thisideup: no you don't.. ;-)

14:58 schestowitz-TR; Techrights-sec2: the issue is not exercise, the issue is how I stack up todo items and deal with overload of info spillover (calls on phone are super-bad)

14:58 schestowitz-TR; I did a video this morning about how I can exercise while reading

14:58 schestowitz-TR; and 'standing desk'

14:59 schestowitz-TR; trying to buffer intent to do actions a-z is the hard part

14:59 schestowitz-TR; after 3 items it's easy to lose track, so need to shield from overload or start taking notes down


3 PM, June 30

15:10 Techrights-sec2; ack

15:58 schestowitz-TR; "Linux gamer" so lost in terms of topics... "Picking parts for our new PC!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia

↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw

15:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw )

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5 PM, June 30

17:09 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:11 schestowitz-TR; lesson of the day: clown computing = lunacy

17:12 schestowitz-TR; target: world's largest (almost) municipality

17:12 schestowitz-TR; downtime duration: 40 mins

17:12 schestowitz-TR; cause: billing

17:12 schestowitz-TR; greedy jeff bezos wants more money

17:12 schestowitz-TR; root access not enough

17:12 schestowitz-TR; large municipality: fail. db exceeds 45 gb

17:12 schestowitz-TR; techrights: it's OK, our DB can also exceed 500GB ;-)

17:12 schestowitz-TR; no need to ask the world's richest person, across the Atlantic, for permission

17:12 schestowitz-TR; also: method of resolution: access PROPRIETARY GUI

17:12 schestowitz-TR; IF you have credentials

17:12 schestowitz-TR; (we don't)

17:13 schestowitz-TR; russian hackers, hold 'yo beer

17:13 schestowitz-TR; we have incompetent managers who outsourced the infra to "Sleepy Joe"

17:13 schestowitz-TR; and who replaced mantris with jira

17:13 schestowitz-TR; and... put the code in Microsoft ShitHub (Inner Source)

17:14 Techrights-sec2; and artificial constraints

17:14 Techrights-sec2; yes arbitrary billing problems that would not have occured if they had

17:14 Techrights-sec2; properly self-hosted instead

17:14 Techrights-sec2; yes that's another thing which has bothered me increasingly about these

17:14 Techrights-sec2; clown services, they are only accessible for the most part through proprietary

17:14 Techrights-sec2; interfaces and no longer commodity technologies

17:14 Techrights-sec2; decommoditization through proprietary interfaces

17:14 Techrights-sec2; and, intentionally, the knowledge is not transferable between clown services

17:17 schestowitz-TR; "yo, get certified dudes"

17:17 schestowitz-TR; and use the "skills" within 1 year, otherwise it's expired

17:17 schestowitz-TR; the GUIs will chance all the time, so you need to join the diploma (TREAD)mill

17:17 schestowitz-TR; that's today's "IT"

17:17 schestowitz-TR; sold by resellers to other resellers and idiots like campinos

17:17 schestowitz-TR; today's browsers are like that too

17:17 schestowitz-TR; cert expired 1 minutesa ago!! RISK!!! "GET ME OUT!!!"

17:17 schestowitz-TR; some web host, iirc, did something similar to me

17:17 schestowitz-TR; instead of informing me of something

17:17 schestowitz-TR; takee the site/service down first

17:17 schestowitz-TR; this is typical

17:17 schestowitz-TR; wordpress.com the same

17:17 schestowitz-TR; or twitter

17:17 schestowitz-TR; suspension first

17:17 schestowitz-TR; then appeal

17:17 schestowitz-TR; which they ignore anyway

17:17 schestowitz-TR; I lost track od things that lack prior communication (before action) to lessen downtime, panic, angst

17:18 schestowitz-TR; [downtime] "haha, NOW that we got your attention...!!"

17:20 schestowitz-TR; not only in computing

17:20 schestowitz-TR; power shut-off

17:20 schestowitz-TR; water I think is hard to shut off remotely

17:20 schestowitz-TR; "return to sender" without contacting you

17:20 schestowitz-TR; many things like this I've noticed

17:20 schestowitz-TR; "ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS PHONE ME FIRST!"

17:28 Techrights-sec2; the better way would been to require / force the clown services to

17:28 Techrights-sec2; have 1) a KVM-style console and 2) SSH

17:28 Techrights-sec2; that's it

17:28 Techrights-sec2; yes the "certifiation" continues to be a fraudulent, expensive scam

17:28 Techrights-sec2; not just the expired server certs, and argument can be made for that, however

17:28 Techrights-sec2; the *big* problem is that they all but outright block permanently certificates

17:28 Techrights-sec2; that are vouched for by anything other than a handful of shyster companies

17:30 schestowitz-TR; hence, we use the term "cartel" sometimes

17:30 schestowitz-TR; mark shuttlecock [sic] sold a share of this cartel

17:30 schestowitz-TR; verisign

17:30 schestowitz-TR; in turn, they exercise a lot of power

17:30 schestowitz-TR; not some company in SA or little island near england (with its physical office in london)

17:30 schestowitz-TR; but ANOTHER SU firm...

17:30 schestowitz-TR; while the CAs or china s and russia (BRICS) are vil and black and dark

17:30 schestowitz-TR; *evil

17:31 schestowitz-TR; for all we know, even the "defence" budget could taker over his share of the cartel

17:31 schestowitz-TR; which amounts to nothing more than some compouter issuing and "signing" a bunch of random bytes

17:31 schestowitz-TR; what a scam

17:31 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:33 schestowitz-TR; as you told andy lasy year 'round xmas time, wait and watch how the # of domains in the CAs "trusted" shrinks

17:33 schestowitz-TR; over time, just like food giants and media conglemerates

17:33 schestowitz-TR; to the point where "trust" just means "we are the GoodGuys(TM)"

17:33 schestowitz-TR; and no pretence of openess or willingness to trust those that aren'e "good" like "Microsoft Philanthripies(TM)"

17:33 Techrights-sec2; web certificates are a confidence game

17:35 schestowitz-TR; they also had data breaches and millions of invalidly or improperly issued certs, e.g. in LE and IIRC also godaddy at one point

17:35 schestowitz-TR; so that confidence also relies on them being in control of their own systems

17:35 schestowitz-TR; whether illfuilly or nitot

17:35 schestowitz-TR; In TR articles about LE I gave the examples of Gemalto several times (recall snowdlden's NSA leaks)

17:35 schestowitz-TR; and that "trusted" Swiss company that was in fact secretly owned by the CIA< based on verified press reports

17:36 Techrights-sec2; yes

17:36 Techrights-sec2; it is about conformance and extortion of payment not actual

17:36 Techrights-sec2; authenticity or confidentiality

17:36 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:39 schestowitz-TR; to me, TOFU is better

17:39 schestowitz-TR; it's decentralised in nature

17:39 schestowitz-TR; you can even announc: in 30 days I will change my random bytes

17:39 schestowitz-TR; if you see an error after dae x/y/z, press OK, proceed

17:39 schestowitz-TR; heck, better yet, generate it in advantage and give fingerprint or public part in advance, as a headsup

17:39 schestowitz-TR; buying a cert is not easy when your site is based in kenya

17:39 schestowitz-TR; and most kenyans use chrome

17:39 schestowitz-TR; LE is subsidised

17:39 schestowitz-TR; it's not free

17:39 schestowitz-TR; sometimes pays for the lights and the power bills

17:40 schestowitz-TR; and they outsource both their operatiions and their web site to microsoft github

17:40 schestowitz-TR; which tells you how serious they are about security

17:40 Techrights-sec2; I think LE has been partially subverted which is why M$ GitHub is involved at

17:40 Techrights-sec2; all

17:42 schestowitz-TR; the person who made LE is not the boss of kaniini

17:42 schestowitz-TR; I won't name the company

17:42 schestowitz-TR; but you saw some logs related to that

17:42 schestowitz-TR; anyway, they try to outdo 'secure' boot by decentralising the thing

17:42 schestowitz-TR; to challenge microsoft monopoly on that

17:42 schestowitz-TR; I am against the computer refusing to boot

17:42 schestowitz-TR; they say, OK, we have this... but let's take the control out of Microsoft's hands

17:42 schestowitz-TR; SJVN did a puff piece for them about 2 months ago

17:42 schestowitz-TR; in an LF-bribed publisher

17:42 schestowitz-TR; thenewstack iirc

17:42 schestowitz-TR; /now the boss

17:42 schestowitz-TR; not "not the boss"

17:42 Techrights-sec2; I think LE has been partially subverted which is why M$ GitHub is involved at

17:42 Techrights-sec2; all

17:42 Techrights-sec2; ^subverted and/or partially abandoned as far as its goals go

17:42 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:42 Techrights-sec2; ok

17:45 schestowitz-TR; I think TR is one of VERY few sites that routinely speak about this issue

17:45 schestowitz-TR; at the very least to raise awareness and encourage critical thinking in this otherwise

17:45 schestowitz-TR; more technical-than-necessary (they use jargon to hype up the clevernesss or complexiity) "thing"

17:45 schestowitz-TR; if put in simpler terms, people realise what this "browser warning" really is about

17:45 schestowitz-TR; and why it's unjust on many levels

17:45 schestowitz-TR; making it hard to self-host

17:45 schestowitz-TR; also more expensive

17:45 schestowitz-TR; easier to censor

17:45 schestowitz-TR; we've not yet seen the CAs revoking CAs to censor (ish)

17:45 schestowitz-TR; but DNS is already leveraged as such, to this effect...

17:47 Techrights-sec2; restricted boot is a very bad problem and it combines with the other layers

17:47 Techrights-sec2; of restriction

17:47 Techrights-sec2; I'm not sure about that, I suspect that 99.99% go with the presence or absence

17:47 Techrights-sec2; of the lock icon :(

17:47 Techrights-sec2; CAs have been abused; IIRC some ISPs in Turkey or some other dictatorship

17:47 Techrights-sec2; were forcing "customers" to backdoor their browsers' CA stash

17:47 Techrights-sec2; most ISPs don't even help customers to set up DNSSEC or for that matter

17:47 Techrights-sec2; even encourage it, assuming they even have it set up and available

17:47 Techrights-sec2; :/

17:47 schestowitz-TR; the CA revocation treadmill might start with some literally nazi sites

17:47 schestowitz-TR; you can't say "no", can you?

17:47 schestowitz-TR; you can lose your job ;-)

17:47 schestowitz-TR; unless you are unemployed like activelow

17:47 schestowitz-TR; he had 2 new nyms today

17:49 schestowitz-TR; the nymshifting, I think, it due to reciving insults

17:49 schestowitz-TR; being ignored

17:49 schestowitz-TR; and losing legitimacy fast

17:49 schestowitz-TR; like a nazi going into a pub

17:49 schestowitz-TR; sooner or later he realises nobody wants him there

17:49 schestowitz-TR; but in the pub you don't get to wear 10 different masks over time

17:49 schestowitz-TR; we hoped the occasional snub or insult would send the message

17:50 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:58 Techrights-sec2; though I suppose it depends on what his goals are with / against the channel

17:59 schestowitz-TR; not a mole, for sure, I know the name


6 PM, June 30

18:00 thisideup; why are you talking to the bot?

18:02 schestowitz-TR; it's not a bot, michael

18:02 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:02 thisideup; schestowitz-

18:02 schestowitz-TR; TechRights

18:03 thisideup; tell it to the kids

18:03 schestowitz-TR; the EPO's union and CSC has been eerily quiet this past day

18:03 schestowitz-TR; I'm thinking the next step is morre indutrial action

18:03 schestowitz-TR; I've copied some good new comments into #techbytes

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18:04 schestowitz-TR; I don't trust Kluwer, they already had DB disasters in the past and seevral consecutive days of downtime

18:04 schestowitz-TR; they also publish infrequently

18:04 schestowitz-TR; they only get comments when they write about EPO abuses

18:04 thisideup; theres a new monky island coming up

18:04 schestowitz-TR; maybe that's a hint to them

18:04 schestowitz-TR; re topics that need covering

18:05 schestowitz-TR; yes, I saw

18:05 schestowitz-TR; I loved the games from Sierra

18:05 schestowitz-TR; was it Sierra?

18:05 schestowitz-TR; Lucas?

18:05 thisideup; its a great game for fencing arguments

18:06 schestowitz-TR; this is why we back up "important" (as per topic) comments

18:06 schestowitz-TR; they probably will go into a black hole within 5-10 years otherwise

18:06 schestowitz-TR; just like LinuxToday and Groklaw comments

18:06 schestowitz-TR; resigns, dhutdowns, faiiled D-R...

18:06 schestowitz-TR; *redesign

18:06 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:08 thisideup; Monkey Island 2 Special Edition: LeChuck's Revenge

18:08 schestowitz-TR; had we had RELIABLE press in Europe, those comments would have little value

18:08 schestowitz-TR; you'd just need the URL of the articles

18:08 schestowitz-TR; or the wayback machine for these

18:08 schestowitz-TR; but there is ZERO press coverage

18:08 schestowitz-TR; the big story was relagated to "blog comments"

18:08 schestowitz-TR; those whichh they allow

18:08 schestowitz-TR; they cull many

18:08 schestowitz-TR; seems EPO now threatsns Kluwer

18:08 schestowitz-TR; like it had done IP Kat and me

18:08 schestowitz-TR; based on an editorial text that they added last week

18:08 schestowitz-TR; maybe threats of defamation lawsuit

18:09 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:09 Techrights-sec2; yes there is a lot of loss

18:09 schestowitz-TR; thisideup: I posted a link to that some days ago

18:09 schestowitz-TR; it brought back memories

18:09 schestowitz-TR; dosbox can still run the original

18:09 schestowitz-TR; or scummvm

18:09 Techrights-sec2; I hope they don't knuckle under

18:09 Techrights-sec2; and are able to deal with what sounds like a SLAPP

18:10 schestowitz-TR; yes, I did a video about my impression of it

18:10 schestowitz-TR; what typically happens is,

18:10 schestowitz-TR; they get cold freet

18:10 schestowitz-TR; *feet

18:10 schestowitz-TR; and then move to another topic

18:10 schestowitz-TR; which is what EPO Mafia(TM) wants

18:11 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:13 schestowitz-TR; the staff reps must be terribly exhausted

18:13 schestowitz-TR; in other news, last night we made progress at work

18:13 schestowitz-TR; now they're willing to consider part-timers

18:13 schestowitz-TR; and run a survey to check interests and preferences

18:13 schestowitz-TR; deadline july 8

18:13 schestowitz-TR; i need to think carefully what to choose

18:13 schestowitz-TR; lkike which times, days etc.

18:13 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:13 schestowitz-TR; *like

18:15 Techrights-sec2; 8 july is coming up very soon

18:15 Techrights-sec2; tomorrow is already the 1st

18:15 Techrights-sec2; so it's basically a week from now

18:17 schestowitz-TR; yes, it is on my todo list for tonight

18:17 schestowitz-TR; among many other things

18:17 schestowitz-TR; after I forgoit something earlier today I became super-meticulous in note-taking

18:17 schestowitz-TR; not sure if you saw the video about the desk and exercise

18:17 schestowitz-TR; since the above incident I forgot nothing, even when the list gre rather long

18:17 schestowitz-TR; my rss feeds are clean except for the opml bits, which i can catch up with in the

18:17 schestowitz-TR; weekend anyway

18:17 schestowitz-TR; you already "dilute" them when you go through these, I just swoop through the

18:17 schestowitz-TR; remainder/remains/leftovers

18:17 Techrights-sec2; excellent

18:18 schestowitz-TR; I got some work tasks for tonight and then the "end of month" tasks, which take about 30 mins to complete

18:18 schestowitz-TR; mostly the gemini stuff

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18:19 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:26 schestowitz-TR; next week a client (university) is added

18:26 schestowitz-TR; and it's a quiet one

18:26 schestowitz-TR; universities outsource

18:26 schestowitz-TR; as they lack sufficient in-house folks

18:26 schestowitz-TR; "Ansible in AWS"

18:39 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> COVID-19 in England: Cases Up 35.1% This Past Week (Deaths Up 30.1%, Hospitalisations Up 33.4%) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/england-covid-cases/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/england-covid-cases/

18:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive COVID-19 in England: Cases Up 35.1% This Past Week (Deaths Up 30.1%, Hospitalisations Up 33.4%)

18:40 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:40 Techrights-sec2; eww, AWS

18:41 schestowitz-TR; covid-19 in uk, like epo issue, is me trying to fill up a vacuum

18:41 schestowitz-TR; because it's still a big issue which the masses are told to ignore

18:41 schestowitz-TR; yes, like EPO abuses

18:41 schestowitz-TR; when everyone closelyt involved KNOWS it is a catastrophe

18:42 schestowitz; covid-19 + mortality figures are STILL available, but not as frequently

18:50 Techrights-sec2; ack


7 PM, June 30

19:08 schestowitz-TR; OK, I am about to send my form

19:08 schestowitz-TR; the way it is laid out

19:08 schestowitz-TR; rianne and I ask for 16 hours, 8 break, 16 on again, then 5 days off

19:08 schestowitz-TR; if we get that approved

19:08 Techrights-sec2; interesting choice of schedule

19:08 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:08 schestowitz-TR; it makes some things simpler and it's weekend, hence quiet

19:08 schestowitz-TR; there are pros and cons

19:08 schestowitz-TR; long breaks and less hassle associated with preparing

19:08 schestowitz-TR; handovers etc.

19:09 schestowitz-TR; more swift when we take over for 16-hour slots

19:09 schestowitz-TR; ok, finalised for now

19:09 schestowitz-TR; whether we get that is another question

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19:22 schestowitz; "

19:22 schestowitz; okay all the user wants is an easy editable file based wiki.

19:22 schestowitz; Why exactly should this CSS compiler be needed?

19:22 schestowitz; the bloatware dokuwiki currently spans no less than:

19:22 schestowitz; wget https://download.dokuwiki.org/out/dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz

↺ https://download.dokuwiki.org/out/dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz

19:22 schestowitz; tar fxvz dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz

19:22 schestowitz; find ./dokuwiki |wc -l

19:22 schestowitz; 5579 files

19:22 schestowitz; "

19:23 schestowitz; "

19:23 schestowitz; (much less than some php frameworks but still a lot of files with a lot of stuff that could go wrong)

19:23 schestowitz; once again violating UNIX K.I.S.S and leading to disasters

19:23 schestowitz; PS: while a software as complex as DokuWiki has become DEFINATELY contains errors (like a very very faulty SPAM detection mechanism)

19:23 schestowitz; Tthe hel forum https://forum.dokuwiki.org/ is engaging in utter useless overblocking.

↺ https://forum.dokuwiki.org/

19:23 schestowitz; As soon as the user posts a single example link (even if that link does not even work)

19:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-forum.dokuwiki.org | DokuWiki User Forum

19:23 schestowitz; It is reported as spam and the user is blocked forever. Be Brave New Web World.

19:23 schestowitz; "

19:26 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Microsoft is down even further, as usual https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/06/30/june-2022-web-server-survey.html

↺ https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/06/30/june-2022-web-server-survey.html

19:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | June 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News

19:33 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:35 schestowitz-TR; they had come to accept defeat there (like a hydra without mana) but now the strategy is infitrating the winners

19:35 schestowitz-TR; or cooping Linux (e.g. "Azure", even WSL as a server... yes, I saw some people trying that!!)

19:36 Techrights-sec2; As mentioned Azure is probably propped up in the budget by ongoing cannibalism

19:36 Techrights-sec2; of other departments.

19:37 schestowitz-TR; and buyout

19:37 schestowitz-TR; e.g. buy some embedded OS

19:37 schestowitz-TR; slap the "azure" label on it

19:37 schestowitz-TR; anyting to bolster these illusion of "growth"

19:40 psydruid; all overly complex solutions will die and be replaced

19:40 schestowitz-TR; like some wiki software

19:40 schestowitz-TR; almost 6000 files

19:40 schestowitz-TR; unbelievable

19:40 schestowitz-TR; all you want is a wiki for maybe 10 pages

19:41 schestowitz-TR; and you end up with this monster


8 PM, June 30

20:06 Techrights-sec2; M$ has long given the illusion of growth through purchasing. In general they

20:06 Techrights-sec2; aim to buy the weakest, crappiest competitor out of the market. That, for

20:06 Techrights-sec2; example, is how the acquired FrontPage

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