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03:17 schestowitz-TR; pushed to gitinor change to the template file of Links
03:17 schestowitz-TR; *minor changes
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08:24 schestowitz-TR; I heard that turkey gets a lot of the grain from ukraine or parts russia occupies already
08:24 Techrights-sec2; yes that is happening to AFAIK
08:24 Techrights-sec2; ^too
08:25 schestowitz-TR; putin has two dolls inside nato and even eu (orban)
08:25 Techrights-sec2; by the way the template.html file has what appear to be redundant headings
08:25 Techrights-sec2; such as "programming" and "technical"
08:26 Techrights-sec2; there may be other redundant headings, I have not checked thoroughly
08:26 Techrights-sec2; it's just those that collide so far
08:26 Techrights-sec2; there may be other redundant headings, I have not checked thoroughly
08:26 Techrights-sec2; it's just those that collide so far
08:26 schestowitz-TR; those are or gemini only
08:28 Techrights-sec2; ok, I guess those can be annotated so they don't get confuse with the http
08:28 Techrights-sec2; sections
08:42 Techrights-sec2; pushed to Git
08:43 schestowitz-TR; THANKS, GOOD CALL
08:43 schestowitz-TR; oops, caps
08:43 schestowitz-TR; starting workout in a bit
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10:04 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:01 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Winter https://truthout.org/articles/experts-are-worried-about-the-potential-of-another-brutal-covid-winter/ | Source: TruthOut
11:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | Experts Are Worried About the Potential of Another Brutal COVID Winter
11:15 Techrights-sec2; seeing as most countries have removed advisories against gathering
11:15 Techrights-sec2; and no longer suggest masking up etc ...
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16:18 schestowitz; https://ideadrop.co/customer-success/steve-jobs-leadership-style-what-we-can-learn/
16:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ideadrop.co | Steve Jobss Leadership Style and What We Can Learn From It
16:18 schestowitz; I am trying, without success, to find the Jobs quotes on tytpe A, B, C...
16:19 schestowitz; can you help? needed for next article
16:35 schestowitz-TR; you can see the context in the draft (video processing)
16:35 schestowitz-TR; I wanted to say something else but did not (and forgot by now) as you were afk
16:40 Techrights-sec2; ok
16:40 Techrights-sec2; https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/A-players
16:40 Techrights-sec2; https://tgsus.com/executive-search/recruit-a-players/
16:40 Techrights-sec2; It was also in the biography, "Steve Jobs", by Waltere Isaacson
16:40 Techrights-sec2; but not in the index
16:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apple.fandom.com | A-players | Apple Wiki | Fandom
16:40 Techrights-sec2; indiect: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/391717-steve-jobs-has-a-saying-that-a-players-hire-a
16:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tgsus.com | Steve Jobs and How to Recruit A-Players | The Good Search
16:40 Techrights-sec2; ^inditectly
16:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Guy Kawasaki: Steve Jobs has a saying that A players hire A p...
16:40 Techrights-sec2; indirectly
16:42 schestowitz-TR; thanks!!
16:42 schestowitz-TR; not sure if that happens only to me
16:42 schestowitz-TR; when I want to say something, decide it's not so important, then forget it
16:42 schestowitz-TR; then want to remember what this unimportant thing is
16:42 schestowitz-TR; happened to me twice today
16:42 schestowitz-TR; I need to let those things go
16:42 schestowitz-TR; (once when rianne was asleep)
16:42 Techrights-sec2; https://youtu.be/wTgQ2PBiz-g
16:42 Techrights-sec2; ack
16:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=wTgQ2PBiz-g
16:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidious.osi.kr | Steve Jobs - Building a team of A players - Invidious
16:45 Techrights-sec2; https://hbr.org/2012/04/the-real-leadership-lessons-of-steve-jobs
16:45 Techrights-sec2; ack
16:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-hbr.org | The Real Leadership Lessons of Steve Jobs
16:45 schestowitz-TR; I'll put alkl these refs in one place, it's about EPO...
16:46 schestowitz-TR; Wil use suitable headline so you can find them all
16:58 Techrights-sec2; ok
16:58 Techrights-sec2; I can't remember which part of the book it was in so I won't wade through the
16:58 Techrights-sec2; whole thing just for the one quote though
17:02 schestowitz-TR; maybe this new draft will help you centrealise your refs on this subject?
17:02 schestowitz-TR; draftsx2
17:02 Techrights-sec2; checking
17:02 Techrights-sec2; "paraphrasing the above in the video linked above ..."
17:03 schestowitz-TR; I will add a few words/links
17:03 Techrights-sec2; what are dental bribes?
17:03 Techrights-sec2; thanks
17:05 schestowitz-TR; I linked to that yesterday,m re dental
17:05 schestowitz-TR; but should repeat
17:05 schestowitz-TR; as otherwise people lack the way to find out what it's about
17:05 schestowitz-TR; organised crime
17:05 schestowitz-TR; they buy the voters
17:05 schestowitz-TR; this was EXPECTED
17:05 schestowitz-TR; as was the OUTCOME
17:05 Techrights-sec2; yes reminders are necessary
17:06 schestowitz-TR; at least now I have some pages I can link to for explaining what happened to our C/D type company
17:06 schestowitz-TR; that used to have some good people when I joined in 2011
17:07 Techrights-sec2; there was also a lot of relevant links here about boeing's fall
17:07 Techrights-sec2; I'm not sure I can find them again but IIRC you did use them in some posts
17:07 Techrights-sec2; a year or two ago (or longer)
17:07 schestowitz-TR; I think this analogy was used wrt EPO by other people too
17:07 schestowitz-TR; but not sure
17:08 Techrights-sec2; that had something to do with the inevitable death spiral which is kicked off
17:08 Techrights-sec2; by outsourcing critical functions
17:08 Techrights-sec2; and, for that matter, some not-so-critical functions too
17:09 schestowitz-TR; I will finalise the two posts and add to wiki
17:12 schestowitz-TR; jobs was a jerk, but that does not mean he's always wrong or I cannot quote him :)
17:12 schestowitz-TR; it's also put in simple terms that make sense to me
17:12 schestowitz-TR; the staff union explains that a high-calibre examiner can do the word fast and well
17:12 schestowitz-TR; some new grad who can barely operate the computer is worth maybe 10 times less than
17:12 schestowitz-TR; the former type
17:12 schestowitz-TR; they are a yoke on the colleagues
17:12 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:17 Techrights-sec2; yes, without peers, the A-players quickly find they need look for a more suitable work environment, that is especially true in today's society which has b
17:17 Techrights-sec2; een
17:17 Techrights-sec2; badly shaped by "reality" TV such that the D, E, and lower playes are trained
17:17 Techrights-sec2; to gang up on, impeded, and even tear down those with better skills
17:17 schestowitz-TR; rianne and I work from him
17:17 schestowitz-TR; *some
17:17 schestowitz-TR; *home
17:17 schestowitz-TR; so we already have some x-player peers
17:17 schestowitz-TR; and I totally ignore th rest
17:17 schestowitz-TR; I don't even read their handovers
17:17 schestowitz-TR; rianne does
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17:20 Techrights-sec2; found it. don't lose it ;)
17:20 Techrights-sec2; https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/how-tech-loses-out/
17:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-berthub.eu | How Tech Loses Out over at Companies, Countries and Continents - Bert Hubert's writings
17:21 schestowitz-TR; noadays the net time I spend on a shift is averging at maybe 30 mins
17:21 schestowitz-TR; each time the company gets worse
17:21 schestowitz-TR; this number goes down further
17:21 schestowitz-TR; to where I can tolerate it
17:25 Techrights-sec2; https://web.archive.org/web/20111226053333/http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2011/02/04/2014130646.pdf
17:25 Techrights-sec2; very hard to find
17:25 Techrights-sec2; https://aerospaceengineeringblog.com/the-dangers-of-outsourcing/
17:25 Techrights-sec2; "to where I can tolerate it" ... that is the warning about outsourcing
17:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-aerospaceengineeringblog.com | The Dangers of Outsourcing Aerospace Engineering BlogAerospace Engineering Blog
17:26 schestowitz-TR; very quick question: is there a point opening all these links, taking bits from them (text, screenshots etc)
17:26 schestowitz-TR; and present that in relation to EPO?
17:26 schestowitz-TR; I've not opened yet...
17:26 schestowitz-TR; just adding 2 to wiki now
17:26 Techrights-sec2; the PDF, I would think
17:26 Techrights-sec2; if a case can be made about the danger with driving away talent
17:28 schestowitz-TR; OK, I'm off work till tomorrow night and rianne has TM cover
17:28 schestowitz-TR; I will open all these links now
17:28 schestowitz-TR; and promote them to EPO sceptics
17:28 schestowitz-TR; the timing is right because of today's protest and bad news
17:33 schestowitz-TR; it helps to pool life lessons
17:33 schestowitz-TR; like your take on EPO "financialisation"
17:33 schestowitz-TR; as that struck a nerve
17:33 schestowitz-TR; and can equip staff with ways to respond or explain the status quo
17:33 schestowitz-TR; I am going to focus 100% now on the 3 links
17:33 schestowitz-TR; no need to respond
17:33 schestowitz-TR; it's raining dogs and cats out side now (good)
17:33 schestowitz-TR; and I can be easily distracted
17:52 Techrights-sec2; yes good to have a copy, Recoll is a good indexer if you don't have one
17:52 Techrights-sec2; in use already
17:52 schestowitz-TR; making local copy of the pdf
17:52 schestowitz-TR; if it's gone, this might be fair use
17:52 schestowitz-TR; ok, see draft
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17:57 Techrights-sec2; checking
17:57 Techrights-sec2; good summary
17:57 Techrights-sec2; the phrase "neither engineers nor talent" ought to be continued a few more
17:57 Techrights-sec2; words to remind about > 50% of people not accepting positions offered,
17:57 Techrights-sec2; it's there in the link, but needs to be there in the prose as well
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18:05 schestowitz-TR; tying this into jobs (steve( post..
18:05 schestowitz-TR; added whole para at the end
18:05 Techrights-sec2; checking
18:06 Techrights-sec2; at the risk of making it too long the lack of incoming talent makes life
18:06 Techrights-sec2; hard for those very skilled and talented people who have been onboard for many
18:06 Techrights-sec2; years and have not left yet
18:07 schestowitz-TR; ah!!
18:07 schestowitz-TR; good point
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18:17 schestowitz-TR; finalising
18:17 schestowitz-TR; we now have the pdf stored locally (those get hard to find a decade later)
18:17 schestowitz-TR; it becomes a forensic job
18:17 schestowitz-TR; epo keeping campinos
18:17 schestowitz-TR; is like us keeping saringas
18:17 schestowitz-TR; she was dumped too late
18:17 schestowitz-TR; we lost 2 people who could maintain our infra
18:17 schestowitz-TR; then came the outsourcing
18:17 schestowitz-TR; the point of no return
18:17 schestowitz-TR; a spiral
18:17 schestowitz-TR; no infra people
18:17 schestowitz-TR; no infra
18:17 schestowitz-TR; no talent
18:17 schestowitz-TR; fin
18:17 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:26 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:28 schestowitz-TR; I don't know how to explain it, but let me try
18:28 schestowitz-TR; paradoxically, when the company is weak, it's possibly OK to stay
18:28 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:28 schestowitz-TR; provided they act weak
18:29 schestowitz-TR; they are too terrified of losing remaining senior staff
18:29 schestowitz-TR; so that staff can get away with talking down bosses
18:29 schestowitz-TR; or acting rather lazy
18:29 schestowitz-TR; I read about this in TheLayoff.com re IBM
18:30 schestowitz-TR; rianne and I know the job *very* wellm
18:30 schestowitz-TR; and as a pair, like a cokcpit, we are valuable
18:30 schestowitz-TR; so basically treaining new people is almost impossiv
18:30 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:30 schestowitz-TR; let alone attract someone foollish enough to join and then stay
18:30 schestowitz-TR; some joined
18:30 schestowitz-TR; and left quickly
18:30 schestowitz-TR; they could not solve issues
18:32 schestowitz-TR; sometimes if feels like we do them a favour by staying
18:32 schestowitz-TR; and that reduces the stress greatly
18:32 schestowitz-TR; when the CEO begs you not to get upset
18:32 schestowitz-TR; or tries to defuse situations when you scoff at a lousy colleague
18:32 schestowitz-TR; but... if one was to assess my "status" (salary etc.) or my "car" (bicycle) or
18:32 schestowitz-TR; my dress code (BS; ask RMS/LT... or most tech geeks), if that someone is of
18:32 schestowitz-TR; superficial mindset, then.....
18:33 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:36 schestowitz-TR; I keep checking sources and mail etc.
18:36 schestowitz-TR; no word from EPO yet
18:36 schestowitz-TR; must be depressing for some
18:36 schestowitz-TR; but we issued 4 posts since the news came
18:36 schestowitz-TR; so at least they don't need to soak in the raving lies from epo.org
18:36 Techrights-sec2; with a complete change of leadership, to new ones with no social, political, or
18:36 Techrights-sec2; business ties to the old ones, then the EPO could turn around and thrive while
18:36 Techrights-sec2; becoming beneficial again
18:38 schestowitz-TR; I thought about it last night
18:38 schestowitz-TR; it is SUPER complicated
18:38 schestowitz-TR; as the chain of complicity falls back onto the national delegations too
18:38 schestowitz-TR; and you cannot fire ALL the management
18:38 Techrights-sec2; :/
18:38 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:38 schestowitz-TR; chaos/disarray
18:38 schestowitz-TR; but it's necessary
18:38 schestowitz-TR; they won't train "clean" people
18:38 schestowitz-TR; or won't train them properly
18:39 schestowitz-TR; so I think EPO cannot be slavaged
18:39 schestowitz-TR; they are SUSTAINING.... the corruption
18:39 schestowitz-TR; that's why Tony stays
18:39 schestowitz-TR; I don't need to tell you this is very bad for the EU as well
18:39 schestowitz-TR; (they won't admit this)
18:39 Techrights-sec2; true
18:41 schestowitz-TR; a ffii senior once told me uk shiold leave epc, not eu
18:41 schestowitz-TR; I often wonder if the epo tells media to ignore all of us becayse "anti-eu" or "anti-americanism';
18:41 schestowitz-TR; and other red herrings
18:41 schestowitz-TR; it's possible
18:41 schestowitz-TR; the "russian agent" BS was floating at one point
18:41 Techrights-sec2; Which EPC? The European Patent Convention or the sham called the
18:41 Techrights-sec2; European Patent Court
18:41 Techrights-sec2; ?
18:42 schestowitz-TR; EPC, UK can exit that
18:42 schestowitz-TR; so can norway and CH
18:42 schestowitz-TR; let them keep turkey... north macedonia... and have fun with their shitty little experiment
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18:57 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> We Need Less Harvard https://www.thenation.com/article/society/ivy-league-enrollment-expansion/ | Source: The Nation
18:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | We Need Less Harvard, Not More | The Nation
19:01 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:01 Techrights-sec2; elite or not, there are few to no places which still teach actual computer
19:01 Techrights-sec2; science; most have been replaced by microsoftianism; of the places with provide
19:01 Techrights-sec2; training (as opposed to education), those are even worse off
19:02 schestowitz-TR; playing devil's advocate here
19:02 schestowitz-TR; many CS schools and polytechnics likely
19:02 schestowitz-TR; push
19:03 schestowitz-TR; 1) clown
19:03 schestowitz-TR; 2) web (means JS)
19:03 schestowitz-TR; 3) apps
19:03 schestowitz-TR; but no foundations like bubble search or assembly or networking
19:03 schestowitz-TR; microsoft is nasty, but it was more powerful 20 years ago
19:03 schestowitz-TR; and now it contends with "chromebooks"
19:03 Techrights-sec2; yes instead of theory and instead of learning-friendly systems :
19:03 Techrights-sec2; https://www.gnu.org/education/edu-schools.en.html
19:03 Techrights-sec2; they avoid theory and work towards "training" in proprietary
19:03 Techrights-sec2; clown, js, and m$
19:03 Techrights-sec2; I'm not sure that competing with chromebooks is to the advantage of students;
19:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | Why Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
19:03 Techrights-sec2; those are in practice very proprietary
19:05 schestowitz-TR; this is wh y they have "mass appeal"
19:05 schestowitz-TR; a) with state media
19:05 schestowitz-TR; b) corporate media
19:05 schestowitz-TR; c) states
19:06 schestowitz-TR; and you see them promotes as the "true" alternative
19:06 schestowitz-TR; with all the spyware and back doors and whatever comes with the next forced update
19:06 schestowitz-TR; likely always-on microphone ("assistants" and "smart")
19:06 schestowitz-TR; I quit covering android when Android O came out and they were making listening devices
19:06 schestowitz-TR; very prevlent
19:06 schestowitz-TR; out of the box, hard to dodge
19:06 Techrights-sec2; yep
19:06 Techrights-sec2; in the new models even the hardware is locked down :(
19:06 Techrights-sec2; the old models had at least some replacable parts, includignthe SSD
19:06 Techrights-sec2; old:
19:06 Techrights-sec2; https://www.fsf.org/news/gnu-project-renews-focus-on-free-software-in-education
19:06 Techrights-sec2; android is also a locked-in abuse of Linux
19:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsf.org | GNU Project renews focus on free software in education Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
19:06 Techrights-sec2; not surprisingly by the same company as the Chromebooks
19:09 schestowitz-TR; military contractors (maven)
19:09 schestowitz-TR; you give, you get
19:09 schestowitz-TR; can't wait for that economy to go under
19:09 schestowitz-TR; but russia, china, and eu are not moving in a better direction
19:09 schestowitz-TR; so we need to decentralise
19:09 schestowitz-TR; and people should roll out their own with images retrieved online
19:09 schestowitz-TR; marius and I try to promote the indie distros more
19:09 schestowitz-TR; fedora crap gets shelved under laftovers
19:09 schestowitz-TR; they can go f* themselves
19:09 schestowitz-TR; (ICBM)
19:09 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:09 Techrights-sec2; IBM controls Fedora and doesn't even give it an illusion of independence
19:09 Techrights-sec2; it's just there as a testbed for RHEL
19:09 Techrights-sec2; with what's left of a community to operate as unpaid beta testers
19:11 schestowitz-TR; Red Hat was accused of the same, but it gave some freedom to employees (not 1005 of the time), it let centros live on OK,
19:11 schestowitz-TR; it provides resources, and it didn't have that perception of attacking the community, volunteers etc.
19:12 schestowitz-TR; Allowhurst left months after the centos 'dick move'
19:12 schestowitz-TR; I wanted to make a few more points about how Red Hat shot down allegations of Fedora being just a sandbox
19:12 schestowitz-TR; but it doesn't matter
19:12 schestowitz-TR; we're just informally chatting
19:12 schestowitz-TR; ICBM lost the most valuable thing RHT had: goodwill
19:12 Techrights-sec2; yes it was strange that they went out of their way to burn that goodwill
19:14 schestowitz-TR; they are still good buddies with MSFT
19:14 schestowitz-TR; and I never saw them saying anything that might upset the Billness
19:14 schestowitz-TR; which is odd considering how they fought around 2006-08 over ODF
19:14 schestowitz-TR; that sort of "restraint" can be partly explained by tracing back the many managers in "Red Hat" to former job at Microsoft
19:14 schestowitz-TR; they can "shot down" the "haters" and "extremists"
19:14 schestowitz-TR; I meant SHOUT DOWN
19:15 Techrights-sec2; I never will understand their thought process, theirs or any other company,
19:15 Techrights-sec2; when they drop their guard against M$ and, even more bizarrely, bring microsofters into the perimiter
19:15 Techrights-sec2; yes IBM was still on the right side of things for the most part up until the
19:15 Techrights-sec2; end of the ODF process
19:15 Techrights-sec2; and the microsoft scandals surrounding ECMA 376
19:24 schestowitz-TR; msfters in redhat = more of the "linux is OK for server" mindset
19:24 Techrights-sec2; among other mistakes, they try everything they can to keep attention off of
19:24 Techrights-sec2; the desktop
19:25 schestowitz-TR; canonical is the same
19:25 schestowitz-TR; haha
19:25 schestowitz-TR; we started typing canonical at the same time
19:25 Techrights-sec2; Canonica did that too after gaining a terminal stage microsoft infection among
19:25 Techrights-sec2; their staff. RPF is in the early stages, but it, too, will be terminal
19:27 schestowitz-TR; the "extremists" will resign or have resigned in disgust
19:27 schestowitz-TR; microsoft: we Drive C
19:27 schestowitz-TR; raspi: the ABCD for schools
19:27 schestowitz-TR; they wrote a blog post on edu eysterday
19:27 schestowitz-TR; microsoft: C types
19:27 schestowitz-TR; Mono: D types
19:28 Techrights-sec2; or be driven out
19:28 Techrights-sec2; remember that microsofters aren't evaluated on work or results
19:28 Techrights-sec2; unlike everyone else
19:28 Techrights-sec2; :/
19:28 Techrights-sec2; s/on/against/
19:28 Techrights-sec2; :(
19:28 Techrights-sec2; at best
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