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06:11 Techrights-sec; restarting httpd
06:11 schestowitz-TR; I don't think montastic even noticed, well caught
07:12 Techrights-sec; It was less than 3 minutes but long enough to not just set off the visible alarm
07:12 Techrights-sec; but also the audio alarm
07:12 Techrights-sec; The http server had completely stopped serving files by then.
07:12 Techrights-sec; s/3/8/
09:44 schestowitz-TR; see draft
09:44 schestowitz-TR; I was about to post the talk about gemini
09:44 schestowitz-TR; then I realised there was a mixup at libreplanet
09:44 schestowitz-TR; they put the wrong video in there
09:44 schestowitz-TR; not sure if they will noptice and correct this
09:44 schestowitz-TR; so I leave it as a draft for now
09:44 schestowitz-TR; maybe the talk they link to got 'swapped' over
09:44 schestowitz-TR; but if I link to these there is a risk the link would break
09:44 schestowitz-TR; once they spot and correct the issue
09:46 Techrights-sec; ack
09:46 Techrights-sec; The Alevropoulos video is wrong?
09:46 Techrights-sec; The bandali post needs a longer more informative summary and the "here" link needs proper text.
09:46 schestowitz-TR; no, the one in drafts
09:47 Techrights-sec; The material in the Anchor element should be informing about what the link it
09:47 Techrights-sec; goes to contains.
09:48 schestowitz-TR; I was going to expand, to watch the talk, but then I stopped
09:48 schestowitz-TR; it turned out they mixed up the videos last night, 4 hours ago is like 11pm in boston
09:49 Techrights-sec; It's heading towards 5 am there
09:49 schestowitz-TR; the video was uploaded 4-5 horus ago
10:02 Techrights-sec; so if they uploaded it at midnight or thereabouts the people who did so are
10:02 Techrights-sec; most likely asleep and will not be up any time soon
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16:14 schestowitz-TR; > "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 activ
16:14 schestowitz-TR; e sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news
16:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: news; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://news )
16:14 schestowitz-TR; .netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html
16:15 schestowitz-TR; > "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 activ
16:15 schestowitz-TR; e sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news
16:15 schestowitz-TR; .netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html
16:15 Techrights-sec; yes, their market share is dimishing rather steadily. Depending on whether one
16:15 Techrights-sec; includes mobile phones and tablets in the metrics, their market share on the
16:15 Techrights-sec; desktop has plummeted. Annoyingly, because they still have the desktop / laptop
16:15 Techrights-sec; OEM monopoly lots of people who should know better assume that they have a
16:15 Techrights-sec; similar presence in all the markets rather than being a no-show in several
16:15 Techrights-sec; and pathetically weak in the rest.
16:16 schestowitz-TR; we have more freesw challenged than ever before
16:16 schestowitz-TR; libreopffice covers a broad range of issues
16:16 schestowitz-TR; that I could noot explain myself
16:16 schestowitz-TR; I still wait for the mediagolbin admin
16:16 schestowitz-TR; to correct the link to the smolweb talk
16:17 Techrights-sec; the netcraft survey points out the problem of cloudflare, too
16:17 Techrights-sec; I plan to listen to that talk if the link gets updated
16:17 Techrights-sec; """
16:17 Techrights-sec; Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 active s
16:17 Techrights-sec; ites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million.
16:17 Techrights-sec; """
16:17 Techrights-sec; Losing >7% of the sites, but which kind of site ? Parked, or top million, or
16:18 Techrights-sec; what?
16:18 schestowitz-TR; i did 3 or 4 very lengthy videos about netcraft, some over an hour long
16:18 schestowitz-TR; I covered all those aspects, even several times over
16:18 schestowitz-TR; parked aside, numbere of servers is a misleading metric
16:18 schestowitz-TR; we both know why
16:19 Techrights-sec; yes, that's why it is important to ignore the parked domains
16:20 schestowitz-TR; those are opposites actually
16:20 schestowitz-TR; for parked, number of domains is misleading
16:20 schestowitz-TR; for sites, noumber of servers
16:20 schestowitz-TR; as Windows needs more boxes the accomplish the same
16:20 schestowitz-TR; so it can sem more dominant than it actually is
16:21 schestowitz-TR; assuming north korea hots some web servers not accessible outside the country,
16:21 schestowitz-TR; the likelihood of those running windows os similar is 0 or minus :-)
16:22 Techrights-sec; yes, there are many windows servers per single domain even
16:22 Techrights-sec; giving a false impression
16:22 Techrights-sec; on top of that, a bad problem, is the number of assholes^Wwindows admins needed
16:22 Techrights-sec; to operate those machines. There are /so/ many situations where the
16:22 Techrights-sec; asshole^Wwindows admin has to be physically on side to do softare and system
16:22 Techrights-sec; maintenance
16:23 schestowitz-TR; not joking here,
16:23 schestowitz-TR; iirc, some years back there were repports about microsofters staying and sleeping
16:23 schestowitz-TR; on site, literally
16:23 schestowitz-TR; I think when lockdowns started
16:23 schestowitz-TR; the unix folks could go home and ssh
16:23 schestowitz-TR; microsoft has a whole different set of challenges
16:24 Techrights-sec; yes, but managers love that situation, especially petty empire builders
16:24 Techrights-sec; M$ is a staffing problem not a technology
16:26 Techrights-sec; M$ "servers" require frequent heroic efforts to get running and bring them
16:26 Techrights-sec; back up after frequent outages, instead of punishing the staff or managers
16:26 Techrights-sec; they are patted on the back for effort. Whereas with UNIX a small number of
16:26 Techrights-sec; staff can keep several orders of magnitude more servers and desktops running
16:26 Techrights-sec; for less effort. Yet get no recognition for using the technology as a force
16:26 Techrights-sec; multiplier. GNU/Linux and the UNIXes do not help build empires out of
16:26 Techrights-sec; pissant departments.
16:32 Techrights-sec; also the UNIXes follow a written tradition with documentation and all
16:32 Techrights-sec; the M$ shit is a jumbled hodgepodge of irrelevant and wrong descriptions
16:32 Techrights-sec; the only way to get things running is to be indoctrinated orally and that
16:32 Techrights-sec; allows them to apply a defacto loyalty test in the process. If you run other
16:32 Techrights-sec; systems, they won't pass on as much as is needed or may not any at all.
16:33 Techrights-sec; netcraft *hates* self hosting
16:33 schestowitz-TR; wrong
16:33 schestowitz-TR; the Web hates iot
16:33 schestowitz-TR; the browser hates it
16:33 schestowitz-TR; the government hates it
16:33 schestowitz-TR; etc etc
16:33 schestowitz-TR; netcraft is just part of that
16:33 schestowitz-TR; I say, let's move away from the web
16:34 schestowitz-TR; to the extent feasible
16:34 Techrights-sec; yeah netcraft is just following along, I noticed they stopped providing OS
16:34 Techrights-sec; information once it was seen that M$ was not relevant in the server market
16:34 Techrights-sec; for the most part
16:34 schestowitz-TR; i think you can still see it or could when I last checked
16:35 Techrights-sec; there is a little of it left but nowhere near as accessible or as prominent
16:35 Techrights-sec; as a long time ago when it was a main part of each report
16:35 schestowitz-TR; are you sure you are not conflating this with their monthly most reliable hosts report, where top 10 is usually all gnu/linux an
16:35 schestowitz-TR; d maybe 1 freebsd?
16:36 Techrights-sec; not conflating, there used to be OS info in the montly reports too
16:36 schestowitz-TR; can you check the archives they have?
16:36 schestowitz-TR; it would be funny to show windows falling and fallking
16:36 schestowitz-TR; and then the OS thing dropped altogether
16:36 schestowitz-TR; it would make a strong point in visual terms
16:39 Techrights-sec; there's not a consistend naming scheme for the URLs
16:39 Techrights-sec; It looks like it may only go back to 2007. The 2007 Feb survey as a link to
16:39 Techrights-sec; Sept 2002, but that link is dead:
16:39 Techrights-sec; https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/02/02/february_2007_web_server_survey.html
16:39 Techrights-sec; http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200209.html
16:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | February 2007 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
16:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
16:39 schestowitz-TR; internet archive?
16:39 Techrights-sec; as are the platform groupings:
16:39 Techrights-sec; http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/200702/platform.html
16:39 Techrights-sec; even from 2007
16:41 schestowitz-TR; as i remembered it, they focused on the server software and not OS in these reports
16:41 schestowitz-TR; 2007
16:42 Techrights-sec; correct but the OS was featured more to hype M$
16:43 schestowitz-TR; try wayback machine?
16:43 schestowitz-TR; to make the point?
16:43 schestowitz-TR; oh, beat me to it
16:43 Techrights-sec; https://web.archive.org/web/20060326073803/http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200209.html
16:43 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Netcraft Web Server Survey
16:45 schestowitz-TR; so this old report does not show OS over time
16:45 schestowitz-TR; it does mention solaris along the way
16:45 schestowitz-TR; in an unflattering way
16:45 schestowitz-TR; even in recent years the OS used was shown for pertinent sites
16:45 schestowitz-TR; but with CDNs and reverse proxies it as hard to figure out what
16:45 schestowitz-TR; really ran sites
16:45 schestowitz-TR; sometimes you can guess, but wrongly
16:46 Techrights-sec; The "What's that Site Running?" service also used to feature OS reports IIRC
16:46 Techrights-sec; https://web.archive.org/web/20060101000000*/http://survey.netcraft.com/whats
16:46 Techrights-sec; Netcraft increasingly shifted the content and bias of their reports to boost M$
16:46 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine
16:47 Techrights-sec; they changed URLs for the service at least once
16:48 schestowitz-TR; you could go to top level domain in AI and then navigate from there to find it
16:48 schestowitz-TR; I only started paying attention to netcraft around 2006
16:48 schestowitz-TR; or 2005 rather
16:49 Techrights-sec; that's around the time I stopped and gave up on Netcraft
16:49 Techrights-sec; They did not appear to like that Apache was close to 80% of the market
16:51 schestowitz-TR; those firms are like palamida
16:51 schestowitz-TR; or black duck
16:51 schestowitz-TR; their interests are not what they want you to trhink
16:51 schestowitz-TR; like tracking gplv3 adoption
16:51 schestowitz-TR; for them to profit they need a partner
16:51 schestowitz-TR; or to become a shill
16:51 schestowitz-TR; like redmonk the |analysts|
16:51 schestowitz-TR; so when I asked rms about palamida in 2007 he said
16:51 schestowitz-TR; to me he was dismissive because
16:51 schestowitz-TR; he would not trust their motivation
16:51 schestowitz-TR; in retrospect he was right
16:51 schestowitz-TR; iirc, they're now in the 'LF camp'
16:51 schestowitz-TR; under an entity which absorbed palamida
16:52 Techrights-sec; they're just mouthpieces for redmond
16:52 Techrights-sec; LF sucks and has nothing (positive) to do with Linux
16:52 schestowitz-TR; wait til zemlin and greg issue a press release condemning microsoft bribery
16:52 schestowitz-TR; I'd be all bones before that happens
16:53 Techrights-sec; it wouldn't happen even then
16:53 schestowitz-TR; the norwegian windows shop has just joined oin
16:53 schestowitz-TR; oink oink
16:54 schestowitz-TR; maybe they will even move to linux *gasp*
16:55 Techrights-sec; I wonder what that move was about
16:55 Techrights-sec; it must be way to promote sw patents
16:55 schestowitz; "Open Invention Network (OIN), the organization formed to safeguard open source software (OSS) and the largest patent non-aggression community in history, announced today that A. P. Mller Mrsk A/S (Maersk) has joined as a community member. Maersk is a leading integrated container logistics company and the global leader in shipping services, operating in more than 130 countries. As a user of open source, Maersk considers OSS an enabler of
16:55 schestowitz; advanced supply chain management platforms."
16:56 schestowitz-TR; "supply chain"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; "user"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; "generated"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; "supply chain"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; "sheep"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; "livestock"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; "content"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; "protestware"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; (malware from Microsoft servers)
16:57 schestowitz-TR; "it's NOT malware, it's a protest... because RUSHANS BAD BAD BAD... and it's the fault of open source, not the Microsoft "Services"..."
17:01 Techrights-sec; ack
17:01 Techrights-sec; yes, the press' current lies / misdirections / distractions from M$
17:01 Techrights-sec; The last decades of severe problems get brushed under the rug as somehow
17:01 Techrights-sec; unavoidable and normal
17:02 schestowitz-TR; could do an article, There's No "Protestware", It's Code Word For Malware From Microsot
17:02 schestowitz-TR; but I can't be botheredf
17:02 schestowitz-TR; I am waiting for libreplanet to fix the error so I can watch the darn video
17:03 Techrights-sec; do you have any contacts there who are admins or know the admins?
17:03 schestowitz-TR; yes, but I would need to start the gngine on some bloat called thunderbird for that
17:03 schestowitz-TR; I hope they will spot tehrir own error or he himself will report it to them
17:04 Techrights-sec; ack
17:04 schestowitz-TR; a lot of these vids are skeletal
17:04 schestowitz-TR; they do not advertise them yet
17:04 schestowitz-TR; and some lack description, proper urls etc.
17:05 schestowitz-TR; it's "under construction" still
17:05 schestowitz-TR; I saw many other missing bits
17:22 Techrights-sec; ack
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19:06 schestowitz-TR; w00t
19:06 schestowitz-TR; they fixed it for us
19:06 schestowitz-TR; btw, be sure to wactch the talk about taking back the web
19:06 schestowitz-TR;
19:06 schestowitz-TR; it is good
19:06 schestowitz-TR; he mentions how www ruins email
19:06 schestowitz-TR; and mntionals bandali's talki at 18:55
19:06 schestowitz-TR; worthn checking out
19:06 schestowitz-TR; I will soon start banbdali's talk
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