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00:49 schestowitz-TR; i had deep thoughts, lateral thinking, coming to the conclusion that today's media is so bad that very seldon
00:49 schestowitz-TR; it inspires me to write an article. first i notcied this in patents and epo, now i can say the same
00:49 schestowitz-TR; about gnu/linux, as many 'reports' are just x version y.z released
00:50 schestowitz-TR; i am still trying to come up with publication strategy
01:56 techrigthssec; What was the way to apply CamelCase to TM ?
01:59 schestowitz-TR; nothing witty, just create TR Daily Links, then get the links from there, but i could pipe TM page submissions
01:59 schestowitz-TR; through the same pipe
01:59 schestowitz-TR; but atm I am more interesting in converting opml into html sets
01:59 schestowitz-TR; rianne already goes through quiterss, so there is duplication of effort
01:59 schestowitz-TR; also the same feeds at her end
02:04 techrigthssec; When I checked, there was *very* little overlap with the host names between
02:04 techrigthssec; the two.
02:04 techrigthssec; Getting OPML into HTML would be for Python: parse XML, build dictionary,
02:04 techrigthssec; save in key-value database, fetch the relevant (by date) feeds, parse XML,
02:04 techrigthssec; build HTML (including details/summary elements), save to temporary file and
02:04 techrigthssec; point a browser at that file.
02:04 techrigthssec; At least that's what I've come up with so far.
02:07 schestowitz-TR; that would be a vast improvement, not doing the next 5 years what i did the past 20
02:07 schestowitz-TR; atm i make some better improvements
02:07 schestowitz-TR; to the setup here
02:07 schestowitz-TR; i'd like to process the opml in a way that is different from rianne's
02:07 schestowitz-TR; because rigth now it is a lot of click and drool and not much inherent alta vista
02:07 schestowitz-TR; like assembling all the howtos in one place or grouping related topic, one by one, from GUI
02:09 techrigthssec; The first and last parts have the Python modules xmltodict and dicttoxml
02:09 techrigthssec; to convert to and from dictionaries, which are Python's closest equivalent
02:09 techrigthssec; to a Perl hash
02:09 techrigthssec; The db is needed to track the datetimestamps: most recent successful fetch,
02:09 techrigthssec; most recent status code, and wait interval specified by the feed
02:11 schestowitz-TR; that would be excellent
02:11 schestowitz-TR; and a departure from the more time-consuming news survey, which like i said above, typically
02:11 schestowitz-TR; does not involve much news, just releases, howtos, pr junk like spamnil
02:29 techrigthssec; At the risk of buzzwords, there are a lot of modules to deal with JSON
02:29 techrigthssec; so it might be possible to get the datetimestamp stuff into and out of
02:29 techrigthssec; the key-value db via JSON more or less automatically. I'm not sure it's
02:29 techrigthssec; efficient to run but looks like it is probably easy to write, given the
02:29 techrigthssec; avialability of modules. From the dictionary, it is easy (given the modules)
02:29 techrigthssec; to convert to XML. Then the slow part comes: XSLT to convert to HTML.
02:29 techrigthssec; The json module for python does not seem to make ordered dictionaries, at
02:29 techrigthssec; least at first glance.
02:29 schestowitz-TR; that would be excellent
02:29 schestowitz-TR; and a departure from the more time-consuming news survey, which like i said above, typically
02:29 schestowitz-TR; does not involve much news, just releases, howtos, pr junk like spamnil
02:29 schestowitz-TR; speaking of buzzword
02:29 schestowitz-TR; andy has a new article re hey hi
02:29 schestowitz-TR; i have 15 mins left to edit it
02:29 schestowitz-TR; brb
02:29 schestowitz-TR; heavilt inspired by what you wrote
02:29 schestowitz-TR; published, still checking it
02:29 schestowitz-TR; he used the unmask meme
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; Re: Hey Hype
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; > With gratitude to the Techrights readers whose comments
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; > inspired this and the meme explanation.
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; That's excellent. The adoption of terms like Hey Hype or Hey Hi Hype helps get across the idea that lots of it boils down to hype. I did lots of ML programming even 20+ years ago. There is a motivation here, like with CLOWN computing; they want to disclaim responsibility for what computer programs do (and take over, centralise if you will, all the services/data).
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; Going to edit now. It'll be in Gemini afterwards.
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; PS - had MASSIVE hardware disaster on Friday. Still recovering from it.
02:34 techrigthssec; There is a work around.
02:45 schestowitz-TR; lots n happening all at once
02:45 schestowitz-TR; just ran ddos protection on tm-old
02:49 techrigthssec; ack
02:50 schestowitz-TR; the automation worked perfectly today!
02:50 schestowitz-TR; need to just proofread andy now
02:50 schestowitz-TR; then recalibrate news reading, will check email and python in the nexthour
02:50 techrigthssec; ack
02:50 techrigthssec; Excellent
03:35 techrigthssec; ok
03:37 schestowitz-TR; looking
03:37 schestowitz-TR; i have given up on synergy for now
03:37 schestowitz-TR; they are hunting down all 'free'copies
03:37 schestowitz-TR; to sell their blob
03:37 schestowitz-TR; going to look at the python now
03:37 schestowitz-TR; leaving aside 3 sdie tasks
03:38 techrigthssec; ak
03:38 techrigthssec; ack
03:38 techrigthssec; The fetching of the feeds and tracking of intervals would be needed to.
03:38 techrigthssec; The scropts are not even sketches but simply studies of the modules to
03:38 techrigthssec; see that they do indeed work.
03:44 schestowitz-TR; looking
03:44 schestowitz-TR; i have given up on synergy for now
03:44 schestowitz-TR; they are hunting down all 'free'copies
03:44 schestowitz-TR; to sell their blob
03:44 schestowitz-TR; going to look at the python now
03:44 schestowitz-TR; leaving aside 3 sdie tasks
03:44 schestowitz-TR; funny anecdote: debian does not have python by default
03:44 schestowitz-TR; i probably installed about 40 packages yesterday
03:45 techrigthssec; I don't see why Python3 would be in Debian by default anyway. Perl is another
03:45 techrigthssec; matter though since it is essential.
03:45 schestowitz-TR; perl wasthere already
03:46 techrigthssec; Yes, it has to bee.
03:46 techrigthssec; ^be
03:50 schestowitz-TR; that python3 pair is neat
03:50 schestowitz-TR; very few lines
03:50 schestowitz-TR; lots done by modularity
03:50 schestowitz-TR; if i can have feeds converted into html all-in-ones i can find time to also glance at patent news
03:50 schestowitz-TR; it was always a human capacity problem
03:52 techrigthssec; yes it is relatively quick to work with but at the cost of opacity in some ways
03:52 techrigthssec; As mentioned the modules work, now it is "just" a matter of figuring out
03:52 techrigthssec; what to do with them.
03:52 techrigthssec; ack
03:52 schestowitz-TR; good: in-depth
03:52 schestowitz-TR; bad: takes time, cannot weed out chaff
03:52 schestowitz-TR; ugly: sometimes quiterss does not work or shits itself
03:52 schestowitz-TR; a linear list of news is easy to align by topic
03:52 schestowitz-TR; but not if confined to gui
03:53 techrigthssec; QuiteRSS locks up a lot and appears more or less unmaintained; Therefore I no
03:53 techrigthssec; longer consider it a long-term solution.
03:54 schestowitz-TR; many rss feed readers are where newsgroups readers were 20 years ago
03:54 schestowitz-TR; or irc clients in recent years
03:54 schestowitz-TR; or... twitter clients... good riddance!!
03:55 techrigthssec; Typical for many projects.
03:55 schestowitz-TR; knode closed all my bug reports without solution
03:55 schestowitz-TR; as fewer were still using it
03:55 schestowitz-TR; yesterday in torrentfreak they covered usenet provider lawsuit
03:57 techrigthssec; closed via timeout
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09:46 schestowitz-TR; knode closed all my bug reports without solution
09:46 schestowitz-TR; as fewer were still using it
09:46 schestowitz-TR; yesterday in torrentfreak they covered usenet provider lawsuit
09:46 schestowitz-TR; colleague ot in touch today
09:46 schestowitz-TR; i am making preview.sh suitable for OBS Studio
09:46 schestowitz-TR; Webcamoid is OK, but time to love on and consolidate
09:46 schestowitz-TR; *move
09:46 schestowitz-TR; done, tested, i really look forward to this setup
10:18 schestowitz-TR; i've successfully run both python script on my machine
10:18 schestowitz-TR; nice
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; python3 test-02-read-opml.py > 1.html && firefox 1.html
10:45 techrigthssec; Right but they are studies and don't actually do anything. They verify
10:45 techrigthssec; that the necessary modules exist and work. The hard work will be putting the
10:45 techrigthssec; components together in the right way
10:45 techrigthssec; Checking
10:45 schestowitz-TR; just amended andy's article, might do videos in a bit
10:45 schestowitz-TR; yes, i know the code is just experimental work
10:45 schestowitz-TR; reuse of third party modules is good
10:45 schestowitz-TR; with code, less is more when less means reuse
10:45 schestowitz-TR; all my programs in the past decade were small and simple
10:45 schestowitz-TR; i used to write very large programs
10:45 schestowitz-TR; i found a small bug in my irc stuff this morning and fixed it
10:45 schestowitz-TR; extra whitespace
10:45 schestowitz-TR; but it does two passes, only the second pass was failing
10:45 schestowitz-TR; making a new directory on my local machine for 2 days in a row
10:45 schestowitz-TR; btw, social control media is collpsing fast
10:45 schestowitz-TR; many accounts became inactivee in january
10:45 schestowitz-TR; maybe new year's resolution
10:49 techrigthssec; One can hope so.
10:51 schestowitz-TR; regaridng python, rianne studied it
10:51 schestowitz-TR; but atm her job interviews are not for technical jobs, it's town hall
10:55 schestowitz-TR; til many disengage from tech and have no money left to spend
10:55 schestowitz-TR; the "tech layoffs" are just a tiny little symptom of that
10:55 schestowitz-TR; people are getting tired of it
10:55 schestowitz-TR; it made them miserable
10:55 schestowitz-TR; even 1000 "likes" won't pay your rent
10:55 schestowitz-TR; politicians react to this way tooslowly or merely embraced it to "buy time"
10:55 schestowitz-TR; though bailing out corrosive forces only perpetuates the harms
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12:32 schestowitz-TR; as sanity check, not criticism: 2 other links today, one link in manual?
12:32 techrigthssec; Probably. More next pass.
12:32 techrigthssec; Hmm. Links-wise that was not such a productive interval.
12:35 schestowitz-TR; that is good
12:35 schestowitz-TR; as i cannot cope with a lot anway atm ^_^
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13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >> I've just amended the text! Yes! Indeed! What's needed now is for other
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >> people to repeat these seemingly obvious arguments.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > Great thanks for squeezing in a late addition close to deadline.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >> BTW, I found no typos while reading your article. None. Maybe I didn't read
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >> it slowly enough.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > It's in good shape I think. Just this line doesn't seem to go
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > anywhere:
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > "If we could side-step the whole messy, time consuming business of
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > eating and just take a pill or Soylent Green "Nutrition Bar".
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > I would make it a rhetorical barb like:
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > "If only we could side-step the whole messy, time consuming business
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > of eating and just take a pill or Soylent Green "Nutrition Bar",
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > right?
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >> I think I'll do a video on this topic later, having rewritten some code on
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >> my new setup to process the files.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > Amazing. Good you're able to bounce back technically so fast.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > Techrights seems robust, but sounds like you maybe should invest in
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > offline resilience, maybe have a back-up server ready to spin up
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > etc. I realise these things are time consuming and expensive.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >> It has been a very hectic week for me,
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >> but I'll come back stronger.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > Really sorry to hear of your loss and upheaval. Losing friends and
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > peers at our age can leave a mood hanging for months or years. I still
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > hardly got over losing our lead guitarist in my old band 10 years ago
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > (drugs and alcohol). That hit my creative energies hard. Still, the
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > show must go on.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; Yes, I try not to oerthink it and to keep busy.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > Thanks for running this piece Roy,
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; >
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; > Please do send me a link to any video discussion etc.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; It'll be entitled The Hey Hype Machine
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; Still processing/uploading the video, so did not hit publish yet.
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; Reminder: my videos are not scripted or edited.
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22:41 schestowitz[TR]; <AdmFubar> you might want to consider this for the room to help weed out chatgpt bots... they are coming if they're not here already... https://ericmitchell.ai/detectgpt/
22:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ericmitchell.ai | DetectGPT
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