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1 AM, January 29

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6 AM, January 29

06:27 schestowitz-TR2; it does not loook like the pool with curl in it ran the apache restart as intende

06:27 schestowitz-TR2; d

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7 AM, January 29

07:08 schestowitz-TR2; last night at schestowitz.com I spent about half an houir dealing

07:08 schestowitz-TR2; with commemntnm spa

07:08 schestowitz-TR2; m in one of half a dozen wordpress install

07:08 schestowitz-TR2; 2000,000 spam comments took up 1.3GB of DB space

07:08 schestowitz-TR2; cpanel is crap and it did not show te redeemed space

07:08 schestowitz-TR2; until like 5 hours later

07:08 schestowitz-TR2; so I waasted a lot of time shooting in the dark

07:08 schestowitz-TR2; not knowing it was just a weird setup thing

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; ---

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; later today we can finally do a proper backup of the raspi

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; it might also be worth discussing joindiaspora

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; I have been getting several mails relating to this

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; trust is a very iumportant factor

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; like securing people's personal data

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; also, given that maybe 700k out of 2.9k posts there are mine

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; In wonder if there is room for setting up some foundation

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; that can oversee both JD and Techrights

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; but there are more people interested in helping then just us


8 AM, January 29

08:12 schestowitz-TR2; https://nitter.eu/MariusNestor/status/1487226439065915396#m

↺ https://nitter.eu/MariusNestor/status/1487226439065915396#m

08:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | (@MariusNestor): "You may want to delete this one check my comment on the site" | nitter

08:15 schestowitz; I've long hated, publicly condemned, even deleted Fossbytes. Thanks for reminding me that they have not improved at all.

08:15 Techrights-sec; ack

08:15 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure of the administrivia required for a LLC but that seems to be the

08:15 Techrights-sec; way to go for JoinDiaspora

08:17 schestowitz-TR2; thanks, none of this is urgent just yet

08:17 schestowitz-TR2; I need to check with more people

08:17 schestowitz-TR2; have a look at the draft if you can... video processing now

08:17 schestowitz-TR2; I did lots of maintenance of sites last night

08:17 schestowitz-TR2; today the pi backup will be priority

08:17 schestowitz-TR2; techrights back on top of list at lupa stats

08:17 schestowitz-TR2; after that downtime knocked it down

08:19 Techrights-sec; ack

08:19 Techrights-sec; eventually one of the bigger newspapers will take top position as largest

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08:40 schestowitz-TR2; if we get very lucky, maybe one day gemini trafficx will be as big as http

08:40 schestowitz-TR2; and also, making videos is a lot faster now

08:40 schestowitz-TR2; and many ppeople do watch these

08:40 schestowitz-TR2; so we can help cushion the transition

08:59 schestowitz; <li>

08:59 schestowitz; <h5><a href="https://fossforce.com/2022/01/electronic-frontiers-foundation-is-looking-for-a-few-good-people/">Electronic Frontier Foundation Is Looking for a Few Good People</a></h5>

↺ https://fossforce.com/2022/01/electronic-frontiers-foundation-is-looking-for-a-few-good-people/">Electronic

08:59 schestowitz; <blockquote>

08:59 schestowitz; <p>The new job offerings are Associate Director of Community Organizing and Senior Speech and Privacy Activist, both of which offer competitive salaries, and come with benefit packages that include housing cost assistance, student loans assistance, medical, dental, and vision insurance, a 403(b)(7) retirement savings program with matching funds, paid time off, holiday benefits, paid parental leave, a dog-friendly

08:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | Electronic Frontier Foundation Is Looking for a Few Good People - FOSS Force

08:59 schestowitz; workplace, and more.</p></blockquote></li>


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noon, January 29

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1 PM, January 29

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13:24 schestowitz-TR2; rianne considers buying raspi 400, she has just asked me which store FROM

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; That would give us spare hardware in case of physical breakdown

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; copying halfway through now, microsd->usb (both 32GB)

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; just looked at the source code of pi clone

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; also read some forum posts about it

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; it's writtten in C BTW

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; which I cam literature at

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; so basically it can take about 5-6 hours to clone

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; it does it file and dir, one at a time

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; it seems

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; it sets up identical partititons

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; then copies everything

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; the progress bar is not so helpful though

13:24 schestowitz-TR2; I looked into some alternatives, but let this one run its course first

13:25 Techrights-sec; is it going over SSH? If so, then the network will ensure the process is slow.

13:25 Techrights-sec; Going straight to USB on the RPi is not so bad.

13:26 schestowitz; https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=180383 and https://github.com/raspberrypi-ui/piclone/blob/master/src/piclone.c

↺ https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=180383

↺ https://github.com/raspberrypi-ui/piclone/blob/master/src/piclone.c

13:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-forums.raspberrypi.com | command line version of piclone? - Raspberry Pi Forums

13:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | piclone/piclone.c at master raspberrypi-ui/piclone GitHub

13:26 schestowitz; around line 500

13:27 schestowitz; I was trying to convince myself it was in fact progressing, in spite of progress bar being at same point for like 2 hours already

13:27 schestowitz; we have many small files in gemini

13:27 schestowitz; and many dirs, too

13:28 schestowitz; /dev/sda2 29333500 5644140 22173944 21% /tmp/tmp.MHJl9UZBEp

13:28 schestowitz; pi@raspberrypi:~/tc $ date

13:28 schestowitz; Sat 29 Jan 13:27:43 GMT 2022

13:28 schestowitz; pi@raspberrypi:~/tc $ df | grep MHJ

13:28 schestowitz; /dev/sda2 29333500 5652712 22165372 21% /tmp/tmp.MHJl9UZBEp

13:28 schestowitz; ^^^ turtle pace, about 10 minute difference in time

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13:55 schestowitz-TR2; to clarify, tghe plan here was,

13:55 schestowitz-TR2; get the OS in a state that is good

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; inc. all the software we need

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; a

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; a recent version of the OS

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; fully patched

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; then, put all the basic files on card

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; then, I can rsync to the laptop

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; that can bring the OS on USB back in synch if we restore from it

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; but the base system will be there already, just out of date

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; if we make further changes to the system, then it's good to put it in git or keep

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; track of where outside homedir the changes are

13:56 schestowitz-TR2; OTA

13:57 schestowitz; $ df | grep MHJ

13:57 schestowitz; /dev/sda2 29333500 5708984 22109100 21% /tmp/tmp.MHJl9UZBEp


2 PM, January 29

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14:37 schestowitz-TR2; restarting

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3 PM, January 29

15:09 schestowitz-TR2; blocking login php file did not alleviate thew problems so I reverted that

15:09 schestowitz-TR2; permission change back

15:09 schestowitz-TR2; I don't know why the loop curl apache thing did not work last night

15:14 schestowitz; /dev/sda2 29333500 8038404 19779680 29% /tmp/tmp.MHJl9UZBEp

15:14 schestowitz; pi@raspberrypi:~/tc $ df | grep root

15:14 schestowitz; /dev/root 30357404 11002836 18068352 38% /

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15:45 schestowitz; backup almost done (all partitions). will backup pi in future, but it seems to me, atm, this can be a template system, to be later rewritten using rsync (for most recent state), will probably be awake for the next 10 hours, so can detect site issues with apache, after that I will need to sleep. to test the USB (booting from it) downtime would be needed, so will leave that for another day...

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16:28 schestowitz-TR2; we try to shop for food no more often than once per week, which means a lot of carrying, care for time of day, type of shop etc. rianne still washes everything.

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; it would be a lot harder if we chose to have kids; right now we lol about having to leave the kid outside "for quarantine"

16:31 schestowitz-TR2; my brother just got sick through his young son (3)

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5 PM, January 29

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17:06 schestowitz-TR2; copy to USB completed OK!!

17:22 Techrights-sec; excellent

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17:28 schestowitz-TR2; another first draft in place

17:28 schestowitz-TR2; while it is transcoding the video

17:33 Techrights-sec; are there any links about the flaws in the current web trust model?

17:34 schestowitz-TR2; if you find any, I will add them

17:34 Techrights-sec; looking

17:35 schestowitz-TR2; maybe Bruce Schneier will recommend some Gulag search over DuckDuckMicrosoft with PRIVATE GitHub repo and audite by ClownStrike

17:41 Techrights-sec; nothing specific, yet, but this gives an overview of how it is /supposed/ to

17:41 Techrights-sec; work: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2010/02/22/web-security-trust-models/

↺ https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2010/02/22/web-security-trust-models/

17:41 Techrights-sec; However, the problems are with how things are currently misimplemented in

17:41 Techrights-sec; addition to some theoretical problems.

17:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-freedom-to-tinker.com | Web Security Trust Models

17:41 schestowitz-TR2; I saw some web pages about it, but have not taken notes/bookmarks

17:41 Techrights-sec; There were some very good analyses out there but I cannot find them at the

17:41 Techrights-sec; moment.

17:47 Techrights-sec; blocked by javascript:

17:47 Techrights-sec; https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6547130

↺ https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6547130

17:47 Techrights-sec; part IV in particular

17:47 Techrights-sec; https://www.keyfactor.com/blog/certificate-chain-of-trust/

↺ https://www.keyfactor.com/blog/certificate-chain-of-trust/

17:47 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ieeexplore.ieee.org | SoK: SSL and HTTPS: Revisiting Past Challenges and Evaluating Certificate Trust Model Enhancements | IEEE Conference Publication | IEEE Xplore

17:47 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.keyfactor.com | What is the Certificate Chain of Trust? Keyfactor

17:48 schestowitz-TR2; chains too.... hegemony ;-))chained

17:48 schestowitz-TR2; root = empire ;-)

17:49 Techrights-sec; https://www.keyfactor.com/blog/certificate-chain-of-trust/

↺ https://www.keyfactor.com/blog/certificate-chain-of-trust/

17:49 Techrights-sec; certs are a scam, but one with a lot of money behind it;

17:49 Techrights-sec; yes, and there are a lot of root cerits, multiplying the problem

17:51 schestowitz-TR2; anyway, most of this is outside my confort zone

17:51 schestowitz-TR2; but my older machines spewed out lots of nasty crap

17:51 schestowitz-TR2; when LF crap just exploded

17:51 schestowitz-TR2; and no updates could bypass the "WEB OF PANIC"

17:54 Techrights-sec; Worse, if it signed by the same organization as is deploying it.

17:54 schestowitz-TR2; self-signed... bu another name LOL

17:54 schestowitz-TR2; OMG! This old old cert has a date older than today

17:55 schestowitz-TR2; LET US SHOUT at the user!!

17:55 schestowitz-TR2; For each cert downstream

17:55 schestowitz-TR2; i.e. endlessly

17:55 schestowitz-TR2; in some things like TVs you could not bypass that at all

17:55 schestowitz-TR2; Because, you know, "user friendly"

17:55 schestowitz-TR2; can't allow the user to click on something

17:57 Techrights-sec; Yes, all certs are ultimately self-signed, the difference is that some

17:57 Techrights-sec; institutions have convinced others, specifically browsers. to

17:57 Techrights-sec; 1) deploy the certificates, 2) pay for that privilege, in some cases very large

17:57 Techrights-sec; annual fees


6 PM, January 29

18:05 Techrights-sec; Browsers (i.e. chromium and firefox) more or less block self-signed certificates

18:05 Techrights-sec; these days

18:05 Techrights-sec; wget and curl even object to Let's Encrypt/

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18:36 Techrights-sec; $ debtree php8.1 2>/dev/null | grep -c systemd

18:36 Techrights-sec; 12

18:36 Techrights-sec; ack

18:36 Techrights-sec; so I'll turn off monitoring here in a while


7 PM, January 29

19:18 schestowitz-TR2; https://nitter.eu/SiQuizas/status/1487458552860102656#m

↺ https://nitter.eu/SiQuizas/status/1487458552860102656#m

19:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Disidir & Decidir (@SiQuizas): "Un futuro que debemos evitar: comprar computadoras con spyware y ejecutar ese spyware en casa #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW http://techrights.org/2022/01/29/a-future-we-must-resist/" | nitter

http://techrights.org/2022/01/29/a-future-we-must-resist/"

19:18 schestowitz-TR2; https://nitter.eu/acastef53/status/1487477651283525636#m

↺ https://nitter.eu/acastef53/status/1487477651283525636#m

19:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | AleksandarStefanovi (@acastef53): "No software company has been quite as collaborative with the NSA as Microsoft has, e.g. in providing direct Skype access. But this is not the story which the media tends to tell; instead it focuses on companies like Facebook and Google http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA" | nitter

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA"

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