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01:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=qLZy54lbJ9s
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06:29 *Now talking on #boycottnovell
06:29 *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social
06:29 *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021
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08:05 schestowitz-TR; "Cybersecurity is a hot field and while we've made leaps and bounds in the field, there's also been a growing number of clickbait and sensationalist headlines making the rounds" gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-07-28.gmi
08:07 Techrights-sec2; It depends entirely on the working definition "cybersecurity". In 99% of
08:07 Techrights-sec2; occurrences it turns out to be obfuscated bullshit cons to get guaranteed sales
08:07 Techrights-sec2; Yes it's a form of social engineering for sales purposes.
08:07 schestowitz-TR; social engineering or tricking people
08:07 schestowitz-TR; or just back doors, likely there by intention
08:07 schestowitz-TR; soon they will do this with cars
08:07 schestowitz-TR; "your car no longer receives UPDATES. You might DIE."
08:08 Techrights-sec2; Already being done AFAIK, the software is there. It's only a matter of
08:08 Techrights-sec2; hardware generations before they start to abuse it in ways that John Deere
08:08 Techrights-sec2; hasn't even dreamed of yet
08:08 Techrights-sec2; No, it'll be you car no longer receives updates, it won't start. Perhaps
08:08 Techrights-sec2; there might be a high-priced extended life contract available, on a monthly
08:08 Techrights-sec2; or quartly basis, gouging on the prices.
08:09 schestowitz-TR; Ubuntu Extended Long Term Support
08:09 Techrights-sec2; But it looks rather clear that they are going to a both a very short service
08:09 Techrights-sec2; life cycle (maybe 5 years) on top of leasing. The latter allows enforcement
08:09 Techrights-sec2; of the former.
08:12 schestowitz-TR; 11 years ago I bought a car with my mom
08:12 schestowitz-TR; almost 12 years
08:12 schestowitz-TR; the prices were higher than what I was used to (Toyota)
08:12 schestowitz-TR; Now, if one looks, it's insane price
08:12 schestowitz-TR; one year's salary savings might not be enough
08:12 schestowitz-TR; even for a "decent" occupation
08:12 schestowitz-TR; so you basically go in and out of work for years just to pay for the tincan that gets you to and from work
08:17 schestowitz-TR; teatime
08:17 schestowitz-TR; I finish work in an hour
08:17 schestowitz-TR; one more night, than some days off
08:17 schestowitz-TR; i am very happy epo examiners are carrying ON with industrial action
08:17 schestowitz-TR; patent grants will sink
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08:35 Techrights-sec2; ack
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08:40 Techrights-sec2; looking, but have no index of my own atm
08:40 Techrights-sec2; along the way: (2019) https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot
08:40 Techrights-sec2; https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/microsoft-accused-of-locking-out-linux-in-eu-antitrust-complaint/
08:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsf.org | Will your computer's "Secure Boot" turn out to be "Restricted Boot"? Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
08:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Microsoft accused of locking out Linux in EU antitrust complaint | Ars Technica
08:41 schestowitz-TR; can you find the url of the uef--related antitrust (eu)
08:41 schestowitz-TR; for the:
08:41 schestowitz-TR; draft
08:41 schestowitz-TR; ms peter?
08:41 schestowitz-TR; you previously gave me the ec link
08:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe arse technically pedo links to that
08:41 Techrights-sec2; https://www.reuters.com/article/microsoft-eu-idINDEE92P08E20130326
08:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-EXCLUSIVE - Linux users file EU complaint against Microsoft | Reuters
08:42 schestowitz-TR; ok, that's better
08:44 schestowitz-TR; you sent it to me around the tiem lenovo escalated
08:44 Techrights-sec2; still looking
08:44 Techrights-sec2; The EP and EC sites aren't really indexed
08:44 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_: maybe you can help?
08:44 schestowitz-TR; you are the one who helped Microsoft
08:45 schestowitz-TR; to squash the complaints
08:46 Techrights-sec2; https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/1-why-switch-to-linux/1-4-uefi-the-microsoft-kill-switch
08:46 Techrights-sec2; no idea, but still looking
08:46 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org | 1.4 UEFI... The Microsoft Kill Switch
08:46 schestowitz-TR; maybe grep Links
08:46 schestowitz-TR; for ec site
08:46 schestowitz-TR; it was about 2 weeks ago in otherlinks
08:47 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/1999-03-29
08:47 Techrights-sec2; checking the files here then
08:47 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1999-03-29 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
08:48 schestowitz-TR; I've added those 4 other links in the meantime
08:48 schestowitz-TR; they're good referenes for those looking to file a similar complaint now
08:53 Techrights-sec2; https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2013-000162-ASW_EN.html
08:53 Techrights-sec2; ^ that one?
08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.europarl.europa.eu | Parliamentary question | Answer to Question No E-000162/13 | E-000162/2013(ASW) | European Parliament
08:56 Techrights-sec2; checking
08:56 Techrights-sec2; I want to make it easier for people to REUSE the previous complaint
08:56 Techrights-sec2; which I assume chose words carefully wrt the law
08:56 Techrights-sec2; so that it can be resubmitted more or less
08:56 schestowitz-TR; checking
08:56 schestowitz-TR; I want to make it easier for people to REUSE the previous complaint
08:56 schestowitz-TR; which I assume chose words carefully wrt the law
08:56 schestowitz-TR; so that it can be resubmitted more or less
08:56 Techrights-sec2; yes refreshing awareness of the official documents is always good
08:56 Techrights-sec2; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/12/matthew-garrett-makes-noise-about-lenovo-attacking-gnu-linux-six-years-after-accusing-me-of-spewing-nonsense-for-taking-action-agai
08:56 Techrights-sec2; nst-lenovo/
08:56 Techrights-sec2; The europarl link is only to a statement though and not any official policy
08:56 Techrights-sec2; [
08:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-baronhk.wordpress.com | Matthew Garrett makes noise about Lenovo attacking GNU/Linux six years after accusing me of spewing nonsense for taking action against Lenovo. BaronHK's Rants
08:58 schestowitz-TR; yes, I've noticed. Maybe that's the one I recalled from other links.
08:58 schestowitz-TR; it's better than nothing.
08:58 schestowitz-TR; I've just hard-linked it in the summary.
08:58 schestowitz-TR; fwiw.
08:58 schestowitz-TR; LF will do something... :-) like selling SBOM snake-oil
08:58 schestowitz-TR; remembver
08:58 schestowitz-TR; "they they fight you"
08:58 schestowitz-TR; we are there now
08:58 schestowitz-TR; they bleed market share
08:58 schestowitz-TR; but we need to fight back
08:59 schestowitz-TR; not just say "
08:59 schestowitz-TR; "oh, they fight us"
08:59 Techrights-sec2; https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3AC2013%2F346E%2F01
08:59 Techrights-sec2; Q&A there but not more, yet
09:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-eur-lex.europa.eu | CE2013346EN.01000101.xml
09:00 schestowitz-TR; maybe we should touch the topic, briedly, every day?
09:00 schestowitz-TR; (briefly
09:00 schestowitz-TR; we ought to siolate the MSFT apologists, who are hareming us
09:00 schestowitz-TR; and ought not be listened to
09:01 Techrights-sec2; perhaps, but the EU sites are as filled with information as they are innavigable
09:01 Techrights-sec2; probably on purpose
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09:02 Techrights-sec2; UEFI comes up again here:
09:02 Techrights-sec2; https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:C:2014:011E:FULL&from=EN
09:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-eur-lex.europa.eu | Official Journal C 11E/2014
09:03 schestowitz-TR; I will add those two links
09:03 schestowitz-TR; any little effort to organising the EU/EC web-mess would help visibility/discoverability
09:03 schestowitz-TR; we have an extensive wiki on this subject
09:03 schestowitz-TR; with many examples of uefi making security yet worse
09:07 Techrights-sec2; https://www.welivesecurity.com/2018/09/27/lojax-first-uefi-rootkit-found-wild-courtesy-sednit-group/
09:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LoJax: First UEFI rootkit found in the wild, courtesy of the Sednit group | WeLiveSecurity
09:08 Techrights-sec2; https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2013-000162_EN.html
09:08 Techrights-sec2; ^ that's probably a factor which contributed to the cancelling of amelia
09:08 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/1999-03-30
09:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.europarl.europa.eu | Parliamentary question | UEFI Secure Boot and European Union standardisation | E-000162/2013 | European Parliament
09:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1999-03-30 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
09:09 schestowitz-TR; Iv'e just mentioned her by name
09:09 schestowitz-TR; adding linking now
09:11 schestowitz-TR; adding link to wiki/aard
09:12 Techrights-sec2; https://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/documents/downloadPublic?documentIds\=080166e5cde66f8b&appId=PPGMS
09:12 Techrights-sec2; UEFI is now considered a malware vector, officially
09:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 400 @ https://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/documents/downloadPublic?documentIds\=080166e5cde66f8b&appId=PPGMS )
09:12 Techrights-sec2; TR warned against the complexity years ago
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09:14 schestowitz-TR; lots in the wiki about it
09:14 schestowitz-TR; I cannot recall it
09:14 schestowitz-TR; I have recording of a long conference call I had with intekl
09:14 schestowitz-TR; never published it
09:14 schestowitz-TR; just wrote ABOUT it (summary)
09:14 schestowitz-TR; call over landline, so low quality recording
09:14 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/1997-01-15
09:14 Techrights-sec2; https://dilbert.com/strip/1997-01-14
09:14 schestowitz-TR; and iirc audacity crashed, so I have many small files with bits of the call
09:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1997-01-15 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
09:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1997-01-14 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
09:14 schestowitz-TR; not a large single file
09:17 Techrights-sec2; Its the author of the learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org link above available?
09:17 Techrights-sec2; ^Is
09:17 Techrights-sec2; It's two authors. David Spring, M.Ed. and Elizabeth Hanson, M. Ed.
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09:18 schestowitz-TR; maybe try to contact them
09:18 schestowitz-TR; I made a mistake
09:18 schestowitz-TR; I'm trying to do all this while stil handing over at work
09:18 schestowitz-TR; 20 mins late already
09:18 schestowitz-TR; hang on...
09:18 schestowitz-TR; adding the links
09:19 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:19 Techrights-sec2; https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/news/false-accusations-against-linux-security-continue
09:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org | False Accusations Against Linux Security Continue
09:20 schestowitz-TR; I think I spoke to him over email before
09:20 schestowitz-TR; has he wanted to be freatured in TM
09:20 schestowitz-TR; hang on, I'm over-multi-=tasking here
09:20 Techrights-sec2; that contact can be used as basis to refresh contacct
09:20 Techrights-sec2; ok
09:22 schestowitz-TR; OK, all links you found added to the post now
09:22 schestowitz-TR; so we have one anchor for refs
09:22 schestowitz-TR; did not check all the links
09:22 schestowitz-TR; work.
09:23 schestowitz-TR; maybe you can double check
09:23 schestowitz-TR; while IO hand over my shift
09:23 Techrights-sec2; still finalizing links
09:24 schestowitz-TR; the goal should be to make a fresh complaint easier
09:24 schestowitz-TR; by giving the complainant what they need
09:24 schestowitz-TR; and to rerepat ion TR every now and then
09:24 schestowitz-TR; even if just using some humour, meme, new daily links on ther topic
09:24 schestowitz-TR; brb
09:24 Techrights-sec2; yes, I think that can be best done by coordinating a little between authors
09:32 schestowitz-TR; OK, officially done with work now
09:32 schestowitz-TR; so we have some old (but still working) URLs on the affairs of 2014
09:32 schestowitz-TR; some might vanish over the next 5 years
09:32 schestowitz-TR; not many un-compromised ones left
09:32 schestowitz-TR; SJVN said Microsot is "Linux company"
09:32 schestowitz-TR; reminds me of how media treats EPO affairs
09:33 schestowitz-TR; remember:
09:33 schestowitz-TR; "then they fight you"
09:33 schestowitz-TR; if we're the only ones left in the ftrenches to fight back
09:33 schestowitz-TR; and we don't risk death
09:33 schestowitz-TR; then all the better
09:33 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:35 schestowitz-TR; we cxan bring up the subject in the context of early august figures from statcounter
09:35 schestowitz-TR; a) showing WHY they do this
09:35 schestowitz-TR; b) remaining to many peop[le how small Windows really has become in the grand context of things
09:35 schestowitz-TR; (rianne told me her aunt has no laptop anymore, just tablet and phone)
09:35 schestowitz-TR; |(I read this has become common in china)
09:35 schestowitz-TR; (in place like indonesia, seems just a phone and "FB" is computing to many people)
09:43 Techrights-sec2; tablet or phone means ultra-passive use of the Net
09:48 schestowitz-TR; rianne mentioned this yesterday
09:48 schestowitz-TR; when wifi stopped working
09:48 schestowitz-TR; her aunt maria used toi have a laptop
09:48 schestowitz-TR; but at some stage people stop buying news ones
09:48 schestowitz-TR; as they barely use these
09:48 schestowitz-TR; rmemeber:
09:48 schestowitz-TR; they turn them off
09:48 schestowitz-TR; and if they use windows they need toi power it up
09:48 schestowitz-TR; takes time
09:48 schestowitz-TR; thewn windows updates
09:48 schestowitz-TR; hog
09:48 schestowitz-TR; so windows made computing unpleasant
09:48 schestowitz-TR; people then associate pc with windows
09:48 schestowitz-TR; and become fatigued
09:48 schestowitz-TR; there are other examples like that where one brand gives a bad name to whole product types, not lines
09:48 schestowitz-TR; by vortue os sucking really badly
09:49 schestowitz-TR; like taking one hour for system update
09:49 schestowitz-TR; just cause you wanted to boot and check/reply to email
09:49 schestowitz-TR; not worth the electricity
09:49 schestowitz-TR; liam dawe wrote about this in the context of booting into windows for firts time ina while ro ruin some
09:49 schestowitz-TR; game and then spending ages just to get that done, with windows updates and other woes
09:49 schestowitz-TR; windows updates is a joke
09:49 schestowitz-TR; it's like kde neon updating the whole system as it's rolling and basically gets a new image
09:49 schestowitz-TR; kde neon also deals poorly with ram afaik
09:49 schestowitz-TR; 4gb is not enough (what I have on this machine)
09:49 schestowitz-TR; but then again, neon is a bit of an experiment, not a "proper" production machine
09:49 schestowitz-TR; and I get to play with latest kde plasma this way
09:49 schestowitz-TR; and somtimes do videos showingthe latest srrivals featurs-wise
09:51 schestowitz-TR; I really need to start hiding the computers here. got some dodgy people a few houses down the road (from the back). had like 30-40 cops here around 10pm last night dispersing a crowd and arresting people, just over the fence from me... some arrivals here (people) ruin the place, but then again it was never crime-free. more details in irc logs.
09:52 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:55 schestowitz-TR; no ambulance at any point
09:55 schestowitz-TR; and I heard banging on door or similar
09:55 schestowitz-TR; so I can guess they just needed loads of cops to handle a situation
09:55 schestowitz-TR; which I doubt the media will report on
09:55 schestowitz-TR; as nobody was seemingly hurt
09:55 schestowitz-TR; so to them it's just "shavs"
09:55 schestowitz-TR; /*chavs
09:55 schestowitz-TR; many teens around , no idea why
09:55 schestowitz-TR; maybe some party turned violenty
09:55 schestowitz-TR; *violent
09:55 Techrights-sec2; ack
10:01 Techrights-sec2; flashcrowd ?
10:01 Techrights-sec2; fueled by tiktok or whatever
10:04 schestowitz-TR; tell me more
10:04 schestowitz-TR; at one point I thoiught
10:04 schestowitz-TR; why 40 cops
10:04 schestowitz-TR; shouting at kids
10:04 schestowitz-TR; around 12 year olds
10:04 schestowitz-TR; shouting MOVE!!!
10:04 schestowitz-TR; Go !!!
10:04 schestowitz-TR; and the kids thinking twice before going
10:04 schestowitz-TR; maybe trying to get footage of some bad scene
10:04 schestowitz-TR; like 40 kids
10:04 schestowitz-TR; then the police pinning down some old men
10:04 schestowitz-TR; I don't know what flashcrowd is in relation to tiktok, but I reckoned the kids were there to observe something
10:04 schestowitz-TR; and that became very very loud outside
10:04 schestowitz-TR; I took the headphones off
10:04 schestowitz-TR; lots of shouting, not screaming
10:04 schestowitz-TR; then many police sirens
10:04 schestowitz-TR; and the vans kept coming and coming
10:04 schestowitz-TR; like d-day
10:05 Techrights-sec2; no idea but TikTok actively encourages / trains kids in those ages to engage
10:05 Techrights-sec2; in very antisocial and destructive behavior for clicks
10:05 Techrights-sec2; spontaneous mob; recently fueled by SMS nowadays fueled by social control media
10:06 Techrights-sec2; anyway they use their phones to contact their acquaintances, n-degrees out,
10:06 Techrights-sec2; and with or without encouragement the recipients of the contact decide
10:06 Techrights-sec2; that it'd be exciting to show up on site
10:07 Techrights-sec2; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Crowd
10:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Flash Crowd - Wikipedia
10:14 schestowitz-TR; I decided to not check what happened
10:14 schestowitz-TR; having already wasted a lot of time, in vain, lasty night
10:14 schestowitz-TR; official police site, social control media account
10:14 schestowitz-TR; then random stuff based on keywords in Gulag seatch and Twitter
10:14 schestowitz-TR; but it was weird that so many cops were dispatched
10:14 schestowitz-TR; like d-day
10:14 schestowitz-TR; payloads of cops
10:14 schestowitz-TR; unloading officers with vests on
10:14 schestowitz-TR; while a lot of kids hang about
10:14 schestowitz-TR; we did have incidents before
10:14 schestowitz-TR; people banging on doors
10:14 schestowitz-TR; or shouting at someone
10:14 schestowitz-TR; often girl and man
10:14 schestowitz-TR; disputes
10:14 schestowitz-TR; sometimes more then banging
10:14 schestowitz-TR; but threats
10:14 schestowitz-TR; or someone shouting at the boss from the outside at night
10:14 schestowitz-TR; happens on average once a year
10:14 schestowitz-TR; this one seemed similar
10:14 schestowitz-TR; I was baffled by the scene that followed
10:14 schestowitz-TR; esp. the age of the kids infesting the place
10:14 schestowitz-TR; many girls, too
10:14 schestowitz-TR; not some "scullywags"
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10:51 schestowitz-TR; sheelving for nasltalgic purposes the prototypes we had of new TM
10:51 schestowitz-TR; running on the pi in the first week or two
10:51 schestowitz-TR; my backup stacks are getting trickier to deciopher over time
10:51 schestowitz-TR; mostly because of mental notes that erodes
10:51 schestowitz-TR; e.g. where I put files as a phd student, what machine name, which version if truly latest
10:51 schestowitz-TR; new-new-new-final.extension
10:51 schestowitz-TR; i'm very meticulous
10:51 schestowitz-TR; but as data piles up you can forget contexts
10:51 schestowitz-TR; and names
10:51 Techrights-sec2; ack
10:51 Techrights-sec2; it could probably still run on an RPi
10:51 Techrights-sec2; I tend to include the date in the file name
10:54 schestowitz-TR; though it is very improbable you would want to reopen very old latex files
10:54 schestowitz-TR; rather than the resultant pdf
10:54 schestowitz-TR; i used my site as a more authoritative place for "final" material
10:54 schestowitz-TR; a lot of profs never did this
10:54 schestowitz-TR; and now they're locked out of their own publications
10:54 schestowitz-TR; cannot evern send to a friend/peer their own papers
10:59 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:04 schestowitz-TR; by shelf (sorry, typos)
11:04 schestowitz-TR; I mean setting aside things that are large and I don't wsant backed up over and over again
11:04 schestowitz-TR; for the next decade
11:04 schestowitz-TR; as they're extremely unlikelky to change any longer
11:04 schestowitz-TR; like all the phd-related stuff from early 2000s
11:04 schestowitz-TR; slim homkedir = faster and leaner backups
11:04 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:04 schestowitz-TR; but the filing hierachy on the external disks becomes crucial when you look for something more than
11:04 schestowitz-TR; a decade later
11:04 schestowitz-TR; and indexing millions of files is not fdeasible
11:04 schestowitz-TR; OK, so I'\ve put aside the prototypes
11:04 schestowitz-TR; I might also have lots of the raw graphics stuff for TM in there
11:04 schestowitz-TR; but cannot recall file names
11:04 schestowitz-TR; cleaning up day
11:04 schestowitz-TR; rianne is back tomorrow
11:04 schestowitz-TR; her working files (text diectory) is accessed over the Net from Yorkshire
11:05 schestowitz-TR; and she uses irc for collab
11:10 schestowitz-TR; the total was 108 files, 18mb, not so large
11:10 schestowitz-TR; do we embrace the mindset of minimal external files?
11:10 schestowitz-TR; e.g. button as css
11:10 schestowitz-TR; no images for entries
11:10 schestowitz-TR; and no images for categories (ph-nuke/slashdot style)?
11:10 schestowitz-TR; it's a matter of taste, I added a lot of those things months after taking over from susan
11:10 schestowitz-TR; the google translate thing at the top was always a privacy trade-off
11:10 schestowitz-TR; atm, the "search" page is 404 in "new"
11:10 schestowitz-TR; meanwhile it can link to search in old
11:10 schestowitz-TR; in the "new" site it would be wise to not link to Google and instead promote rss a lot
11:10 schestowitz-TR; everything-as-a-Google-search-bar mindset is gateway to censworship
11:10 schestowitz-TR; because it ties you to middlemen
11:10 schestowitz-TR; same for "follow us on" [social control media]
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11:57 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:58 schestowitz-TR; "Climate change killing elephants" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-62323058 | Source: BBC
11:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bbc.co.uk | Climate change killing elephants, says Kenya - BBC News
11:58 schestowitz-TR; we still donate like 4 times a year
11:58 schestowitz-TR; rianne saw the url you sent regarding the crying goat
11:58 schestowitz-TR; she cried too
11:59 schestowitz-TR; I did not click myself
11:59 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:59 Techrights-sec2; sometimes the stories are quite sad
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17:32 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Who Still Gets Vaccinated for COVID-19 in England? Kids Under 12, the New 'Captive Market', Almost 2/3 of New Clients https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/28/potential-market-covid19/
17:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Who Still Gets Vaccinated for COVID-19 in England? Kids Under 12, the New Captive Market, Almost 2/3 of New Clients
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17:34 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:34 Techrights-sec2; and by reclassifying it as endemic the public will not adjust their behavior
17:34 Techrights-sec2; nor will the governments encourage people to do so; one of the few hopes is
17:34 Techrights-sec2; that /newer/ far more effective vaccines are developed, but those seem to all be
17:34 Techrights-sec2; stopped
17:34 schestowitz-TR; I suppose keeping it in ciorculation helps not just the "travel" and "hospitality" serctor
17:34 schestowitz-TR; but also AstraZeneca, whicvh targets those "unvaccinated kids"
17:34 schestowitz-TR; also, lessened incentive to make better vaccines now
17:34 schestowitz-TR; it would "send the wrong message" to billions of early customers
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17:35 schestowitz-TR; ot: will soon be out of "proper" foods and will start nibbling at cereal, soy, nuts
17:35 schestowitz-TR; as expected
17:38 schestowitz-TR; hahahahahahah
17:38 schestowitz-TR; just chedked twitter analytics
17:38 schestowitz-TR; the site is so dead
17:38 schestowitz-TR; I think they must have lost like 50% of activity since I left in start of March
17:38 schestowitz-TR; FB too is suffering (you sent links)
17:38 schestowitz-TR; so it's a trend, not a brand thing
17:38 schestowitz-TR; I hope they all bleedy profusely
17:38 schestowitz-TR; and this experiment once known as "social media" won't be reattempted
17:38 Techrights-sec2; it's a good trend
17:41 schestowitz-TR; I know what will replace them
17:42 schestowitz-TR; the popcorn industry ;-)
17:42 schestowitz-TR; rianne watched the robertson video
17:42 schestowitz-TR; I keep telling her youtube is a burning platform (not in these words, elop)
17:42 schestowitz-TR; she said many of her channel lost a lot in viewership
17:42 schestowitz-TR; *her channels (ones she followed)
17:42 schestowitz-TR; that lesens incentive to invest in new videos
17:42 schestowitz-TR; gulag stopped cpumping capital to moptivate and reward (monetise) producers
17:42 schestowitz-TR; it was floated by losses for over a decade
17:45 Techrights-sec2; one can hope that social media is discontinued but given the strong control
17:45 Techrights-sec2; aspect of it, there is every likelihood that it will be given bailout after
17:45 Techrights-sec2; bailout
17:45 Techrights-sec2; youtube is almost over as far as I can tell
17:45 Techrights-sec2; unless you have bookmarked specific channels, it is almost impossible to find
17:45 Techrights-sec2; them
17:45 Techrights-sec2; anymore
17:45 Techrights-sec2; Google seems to rip off uploaders these days and the few youtube videos which
17:45 Techrights-sec2; I've seen lately are jammed full of irrelevant advertising, lots of it.
17:45 Techrights-sec2; as Lunduke pointed out, having the string "Linux" in the video title is
17:45 Techrights-sec2; a guaranteed way to have it demonetized, and quickly
17:45 schestowitz-TR; those ads can pay more
17:45 schestowitz-TR; relevant to what, linux?
17:45 schestowitz-TR; they'd rather sell holidays and such..
17:49 schestowitz-TR; I find a date range I can use to make a video
17:49 schestowitz-TR; to show the muisk affair and how twitter faked the numbers
17:49 schestowitz-TR; OTA
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18:33 schestowitz-TR; Th video went OK, mentioned how all social control media is crisis control
18:33 schestowitz-TR; I'll do the text now
18:35 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:36 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I wonder,
18:36 schestowitz-TR; if I could go back in time
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and tell trmanco
18:36 schestowitz-TR; no, no thanks, no identica
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and instead produce stuff elsewhere
18:36 schestowitz-TR; since 2009
18:41 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:42 schestowitz-TR; I fed he monster
18:42 schestowitz-TR; *the
18:42 schestowitz-TR; now there is an obligatiobn to slay it
18:42 Techrights-sec2; yes
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18:51 schestowitz-TR; <libertybox> rianne_: all we have left now is potatoes - famous last words :-)
18:51 Techrights-sec2; ack
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19:03 Techrights-sec2; checking
19:03 Techrights-sec2; probably would benefit from quoting some figures in the draft showing the decline
19:06 schestowitz-TR; good idea
19:06 schestowitz-TR; I talked about them
19:06 schestowitz-TR; but need a text summary (ocncise) of the % fall
19:06 schestowitz-TR; done
19:07 schestowitz-TR; short draft
19:07 schestowitz-TR; good idea
19:07 schestowitz-TR; I talked about them
19:07 schestowitz-TR; but need a text summary (ocncise) of the % fall
19:07 schestowitz-TR; done
19:07 Techrights-sec2; yes
19:09 schestowitz-TR; a lot of historically--significant info will vanish
19:09 schestowitz-TR; just just @realDonaldTrump
19:09 schestowitz-TR; baffling historians for these periods of time
19:09 schestowitz-TR; LoC quit indexing and archiving this brigademill
19:09 schestowitz-TR; seeing no value in it
19:09 schestowitz-TR; (anymore)
19:09 schestowitz-TR; *not just
19:10 Techrights-sec2; yes various laws, regulations, and guidelines regarding official communication
19:10 Techrights-sec2; are violated severely through using any social control media in place of
19:10 Techrights-sec2; official channels
19:11 schestowitz-TR; tragic
19:11 schestowitz-TR; for about a decade political public discourse was done from people's toilet seats
19:11 schestowitz-TR; without any consultation with peers, legal advisors, etc.
19:15 Techrights-sec2; https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRD6UA8oeG47N2txr-qyq-gX00En4E_5_-L9CWnSTMwMhDv40RS%26s&sp=1659031910T3a06ae035a53cca305c3978e8aaf20b0f9569de9348e3be8182a1ca1ce55343c
19:17 schestowitz-TR; it was meant as a joke
19:17 schestowitz-TR; but only "the donald" knows how much truth there it to it
19:17 schestowitz-TR; maybe his f* buddy knows too
19:17 schestowitz-TR; maybe
19:17 schestowitz-TR; and secret service... maybe
19:17 Techrights-sec2; there was a lot of speculation and given the only time he could be 'undisturbed'
19:17 Techrights-sec2; and alone with his twitter app was probably on the shitter
19:18 schestowitz-TR; yes, times of day being like 5am
19:18 schestowitz-TR; so not in office and too early for breakfast
19:18 Techrights-sec2; not just times of day but from what outsiders said of his schedule and
19:18 Techrights-sec2; when and where he was otherwise prevented from "tweeting"; without adult
19:18 Techrights-sec2; supervision he would likely have been "tweeting" all his waking hours
19:22 schestowitz-TR; twitter was, to him, a command and control tool
19:23 schestowitz-TR; until january ~8th
19:23 schestowitz-TR; the term C&C was explicitly used by US authorities in re twitter
19:23 schestowitz-TR; about a decade earlier
19:23 schestowitz-TR; hence my borrowing of that term in such a context
19:23 schestowitz-TR; mobilising with hate and disinfo
19:23 schestowitz-TR; I got menacing emails and cracking attempts
19:23 schestowitz-TR; when I was on top of his comments until he blocked me
19:23 schestowitz-TR; I was messing with the troops he was rallying
19:23 schestowitz-TR; and thus became target
19:23 schestowitz-TR; 2017
19:23 schestowitz-TR; you could get millions of impression by sneaking and holding up at the top of his "comments"
19:25 Techrights-sec2; I think that attributes too much forethought and planning to him
19:25 Techrights-sec2; It looks more like a typical twitter addiction combined with visceral outbursts
19:25 Techrights-sec2; and emotional tempertantrums of a (mentally) 8-year-old
19:25 Techrights-sec2; Yes it looks like it is often used for C&C but by those with the ability
19:25 Techrights-sec2; to plan and have discipline to stay on message
19:25 Techrights-sec2; yep
19:25 Techrights-sec2; He was technically required to unblock everyone IIRC but never did
19:25 Techrights-sec2; s/technically/legally/
19:25 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:26 schestowitz-TR; what can I say other than: you were right (not to bother with those shit platforms)
19:26 schestowitz-TR; I remember in airpot I'd feel compelled to go online
19:26 schestowitz-TR; liuke in dubai
19:26 schestowitz-TR; to catch up with the trail of notifications and maybe post some updates
19:26 schestowitz-TR; same in irc etc.
19:26 schestowitz-TR; pacing down postings as if social control media was the target platform
19:27 schestowitz-TR; so it was controlling my life
19:30 schestowitz-TR; in the context of football, I saw it mentioned that some high-profile players
19:30 schestowitz-TR; became too focused on their online presence and therefore could not focus on the games
19:30 schestowitz-TR; and were neglecting some of the training
19:30 schestowitz-TR; so the coaches had to explain to them, set that aside
19:30 schestowitz-TR; we're here to train/play
19:30 schestowitz-TR; the addition factor of non-narcotics
19:30 schestowitz-TR; harned or lowered their potential
19:30 schestowitz-TR; they saw themselves as celebs, not performers or atheletes
19:30 schestowitz-TR; and some comments they receive can harm their morale, not just waste time
19:32 Techrights-sec2; overal it was the best move though, to not waste time with social control media
19:32 Techrights-sec2; sadly too many adults are addicted and, worse, many young people have *lost*
19:32 Techrights-sec2; nearly their entire childhoods flicking at the screen instead of doing real
19:32 Techrights-sec2; things
19:32 Techrights-sec2; yep them too
19:32 Techrights-sec2; however, youth spend far more contact hours with social control media's skinner
19:32 Techrights-sec2; boxes than they do with either their friends or relatives combined, as far as
19:32 Techrights-sec2; I can discern
19:32 Techrights-sec2; The addiction's foundation is generically designed against your average person
19:32 Techrights-sec2; but the adaptive nature then tunes it to each individual, preying on their
19:32 Techrights-sec2; weaknesses over time; as many studies show, there is no safe level of exposure
19:33 schestowitz-TR; there is not
19:33 schestowitz-TR; partly because it's designed to be limitless
19:33 schestowitz-TR; one of the reason I alter urls algorithmically to invidious and similar
19:33 schestowitz-TR; to remove all that -- as RMS too now puts is -- addictive UIs
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:48] <DaemonFC> " In the video, Mosseri attempted damage control by arguing that more users are sharing and consuming videos so that the company will have to lean into
19:37 schestowitz-TR; that shift toward video while continuing to support photos."
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:48] <DaemonFC> OM NOM NOM VIDEO OM NOM
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:48] <DaemonFC> KETCHUP!!!!
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:48] * DaemonFC spits it out
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:48] <schestowitz[TR2]> " consuming video"
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:48] <schestowitz[TR2]> yum!!!!
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:48] <DaemonFC> OKAY, WHO IS THE DEAD CANADIAN ASSHOLE THAT PUT KETCHUP IN THIS!?
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:48] <schestowitz[TR2]> That video was... DELICIOUS
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:49] <schestowitz[TR2]> MOAR pls!!
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:49] <DaemonFC> I am TRYING to CONSUME video here!
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:49] <schestowitz[TR2]> on nom nom
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:49] <schestowitz[TR2]> *om
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:49] <schestowitz[TR2]> "let me put my apron on"
19:37 schestowitz-TR; Misinformation/Disinformation: "Discovery Engine" = brainwash model for "engagement" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/27/23281451/facebook-instagram-meta-recommendation-discovery-engine-ai | Source: The Verge
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:44] <DaemonFC> schestowitz The $29 billion hit was caused entirely by the $10 million hit caused by Apple, again.
19:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Instagram, Facebook to show more posts from accounts you dont follow - The Verge
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:44] <techrights-news> Facebook dying. Twitter is likely dead already, just not officially. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/meta-q2-2022-earnings-1235187468/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
19:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Meta Q2 2022 Earnings: Revenue Declines The Hollywood Reporter
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:44] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.hollywoodreporter.com | Meta Q2 2022 Earnings: Revenue Declines The Hollywood Reporter
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:45] <techrights-news> "engagement trends" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/27/23281294/facebook-meta-revenue-declines-for-first-time | Source: The Verge
19:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Meta reports revenue decline for the first time in Q2 earnings - The Verge
19:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:45] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.theverge.com | Meta reports revenue decline for the first time in Q2 earnings - The Verge
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19:38 schestowitz-TR; [11:45] <DaemonFC> "The parent company of Facebook and Instagram saw a 1 percent drop in revenue and 36 percent decline in net income."
19:38 schestowitz-TR; [11:45] <DaemonFC> schestowitz Malinvestment
19:38 schestowitz-TR; there is not
19:38 schestowitz-TR; partly because it's designed to be limitless
19:38 schestowitz-TR; one of the reason I alter urls algorithmically to invidious and similar
19:38 schestowitz-TR; to remove all that -- as RMS too now puts is -- addictive UIs
19:38 Techrights-sec2; whenever people have tried to show me something on "their" phone, it usually
19:38 Techrights-sec2; turns into a bunch of aimless flicking on their part in futile attempts to
19:38 Techrights-sec2; locate what they had seen or thought they saved earlier. I'd say as good as
19:38 Techrights-sec2; none understand dynamic algorithmic sorting, neither the dynamic part nor the
19:38 Techrights-sec2; algorithmic part.
19:43 schestowitz-TR; "successful" games have always been addictive ones, played by many crackheads for the longest timne possible
19:43 schestowitz-TR; based on perceived advancewment, belonging
19:43 schestowitz-TR; this was imitated by social control media with scores
19:43 schestowitz-TR; they then started using the words "engagement" and "gamification"
19:43 schestowitz-TR; I realise this around 2016
19:43 schestowitz-TR; when I was in the trenches with wikileaks
19:43 schestowitz-TR; and noticed it felt like we were playing laserquest or somethhing
19:43 schestowitz-TR; scoring political points
19:43 Techrights-sec2; There are a few MOOs and maybe some MUDs around still.
19:43 Techrights-sec2; The games were designe to be fun to play, the social control media is much
19:43 Techrights-sec2; more malicious; from the victim's perspective, it is purely about engagement
19:43 Techrights-sec2; not playing or having fun or even getting anything done
19:43 Techrights-sec2; anyway, if the picture linked to earlier is not too rude it would be relevant
19:43 Techrights-sec2; for that or another article
19:43 Techrights-sec2; :/
19:45 schestowitz-TR; I already have that (or similar) picture on my drive
19:45 schestowitz-TR; I used it several times in the past in Twitter
19:45 schestowitz-TR; the hard time was locating these memes on disk
19:46 Techrights-sec2; by the way in the draft, near the bottom is a chart, which year is that from?
19:46 Techrights-sec2; it is not labeled
19:46 Techrights-sec2; ok good that you have archived a copy of that image ;)
19:46 Techrights-sec2; EXIF metadata can be searched by various utilities, if the image has been
19:46 Techrights-sec2; updated to contain it of course
19:49 schestowitz-TR; the filenames are IDs
19:49 schestowitz-TR; and no useful metadata
19:49 schestowitz-TR; some uploaders or file selectors have preview for all images
19:49 schestowitz-TR; some only for one image at the time
19:49 schestowitz-TR; some no preview at all
19:49 schestowitz-TR; so it's a time-consumign process
19:49 schestowitz-TR; spent hours of my life just searching for memes in a bag
19:49 schestowitz-TR; re chart, based on the events named the year should be obvious
19:50 schestowitz-TR; there is even a link re SEC
19:50 schestowitz-TR; wallstreet will be last to fall
19:50 schestowitz-TR; after it empties the cookie jar
19:50 schestowitz-TR; becaause it controls the cookie jar
19:50 schestowitz-TR; or the regime that claims to have control over it (graft) first, ordinary citiziens will go broke
19:50 schestowitz-TR; then the corporattions will 'max up' the debt
19:50 schestowitz-TR; and tell us wall street exisrs to protect our "common[sic]wealth"
19:52 Techrights-sec2; those too
19:52 Techrights-sec2; nothing technical stops you from adding your own metadata as you add the object
19:52 Techrights-sec2; to your own archive, and erase any metadata which might have been there first
19:52 Techrights-sec2; https://www.linux.com/news/how-add-metadata-digital-pictures-command-line/
19:52 Techrights-sec2; wallstreet seems to have been bailed out more than a few times in the last
19:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-How to add metadata to digital pictures from the command line - Linux.com
19:52 Techrights-sec2; 100 or so years :/
19:52 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:55 schestowitz-TR; india took time to realise what "Commonwealth" means, esp. when your skin is dark
19:55 schestowitz-TR; make us more tea... no, not serve tea, farming
19:55 schestowitz-TR; after opium wars china rose better off than india
19:55 schestowitz-TR; gdp must be like 5 times higher, at least...
19:55 schestowitz-TR; in 2019 I stopped "engaging" with Twitter (I had already/alwayys posted there indirectly)
19:55 schestowitz-TR; which means no more memes
19:55 schestowitz-TR; so any metadata work would not be worth the investment
19:55 schestowitz-TR; the same is true for a lot in TM and TR
19:55 schestowitz-TR; I spend hundreds of hours, maybe 1000+ hours doing with Daily Links what
19:55 schestowitz-TR; is now automated, compacting the daily lumps
19:55 schestowitz-TR; hence I can do 3-5 lumps per day
19:55 schestowitz-TR; at least I can say that, with old TM, I did not significant work on drupal since 2014 or 15
19:55 schestowitz-TR; when I added images to categories and added a few tabs here and there to enhance the experience
19:56 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:56 Techrights-sec2; drupal is also a mess
19:56 schestowitz-TR; back then drupal 6 was already barely supported
19:59 schestowitz-TR; drupal is drupal
19:59 schestowitz-TR; it does what it does
19:59 schestowitz-TR; for some people it's the only way
19:59 schestowitz-TR; and for some sites
19:59 schestowitz-TR; but the sites change
19:59 schestowitz-TR; the software "evolves"
19:59 schestowitz-TR; so people start to reassess format-shifting in teh CMS sense
19:59 schestowitz-TR; some clients of work move TO Drupal
19:59 schestowitz-TR; TechDirt moved not just to WordPress
19:59 schestowitz-TR; but to WordPress.com (WP MU)
19:59 schestowitz-TR; fine, good luck with that....
19:59 schestowitz-TR; marius also uses wordpress.com afaik
19:59 schestowitz-TR; they register their own domain
19:59 schestowitz-TR; and link that to their wordpress.com (centralised) account
19:59 schestowitz-TR; it became a web hosting company
19:59 schestowitz-TR; that censors a lot
19:59 schestowitz-TR; and puts ads in your posts without paying you, daemonfc has told me (I don't see ads)
19:59 Techrights-sec2; yes in that way one pays a subscription to that company in exchange for
19:59 Techrights-sec2; them maintaining pretty much all aspects of the components and system
19:59 Techrights-sec2; there were some other problems too but I can't recall what they are at the
19:59 Techrights-sec2; moment
20:02 schestowitz-TR; the ui changes you cannot reject?
20:02 schestowitz-TR; withoutsystemd complained about these
20:02 schestowitz-TR; wanted to even move off the platform
20:02 schestowitz-TR; easy "in theory'
20:02 schestowitz-TR; from wordpress.com to self-hosted wordpress '.org'
20:02 schestowitz-TR; florrian mueller and I discussed what it means that he outsourced his blog, fosspatents,
20:02 schestowitz-TR; to blogspot.ccom and what risks that entails
20:02 schestowitz-TR; he said the urls were his own
20:02 schestowitz-TR; as if he can just self-host proprietary blogger/blogspot (blogger.com)
20:02 schestowitz-TR; at best, he can replicsate the url structure with some other cms, afaik
20:06 schestowitz-TR; florian is selling himself in microsoft linkedin these days
20:06 schestowitz-TR; I no longer read his blog
20:06 schestowitz-TR; it does not have much left to offer anyway
20:06 schestowitz-TR; he markets himself to patent "professionals"
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