IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 27, 2022

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02:54 schestowitz-TR; the recipes capsule is offline

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03:18 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/27/covid-19-neurological-issues/

03:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already)

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08:02 Techrights-sec; [topic] m$ is still milking the log4j vuln for political gain:

08:02 Techrights-sec; https://www.scmagazine.com/editorial/brief/critical-infrastructure/bipartisan-open-source-security-legislation-introduced-in-senate

08:02 Techrights-sec; https://therecord.media/log4j-senators-introduce-bill-centered-on-cisa-open-source-security-efforts/

08:02 Techrights-sec; The FSF, EFF, and OSI (in their old incarnations) need to be in proactive

08:02 Techrights-sec; contact with the OMB immediately.

08:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.scmagazine.com | Bipartisan open source security legislation introduced in Senate | SC Media

08:02 Techrights-sec; https://therecord.media/dhs-undersecretary-log4j-problem-is-not-over-may-take-a-decade-or-longer/

08:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-therecord.media | Log4j: Senators introduce bill centered on CISA open source security efforts - The Record by Recorded Future

08:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-therecord.media | DHS undersecretary: Log4j problem is not over, may take a decade or longer - The Record by Recorded Future

08:02 Techrights-sec; S.4913 - Securing Open Source Software Act of 2022

08:02 Techrights-sec; https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4913/text

08:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Text - S.4913 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Securing Open Source Software Act of 2022 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

08:08 schestowitz-TR; thanks, I thought about doing a video about this topic but then forgot, I will adds a few more refrs to that

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12:06 Techrights-sec; Havinga list helps, even if it's on a used scrap of paper.

12:07 schestowitz-TR; i got some more references to use later

12:07 schestowitz-TR; it would help to have more topics to cover in one fell swoop (i have two)

12:08 Techrights-sec; https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-2023-lets-chart-the-course-together-submit-your-session-by-november-2

12:08 Techrights-sec; software patents ought to be addressed then

12:08 Techrights-sec; It's partially online so speakers could be from anywhere.

12:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsf.org | LibrePlanet 2023: Let's chart the course together! Submit your session by November 2 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

12:09 schestowitz-TR; i don't want to give a talk there

12:09 schestowitz-TR; it would have to be self-censored heavily

12:09 schestowitz-TR; and I'd rather use my own platform

12:10 Techrights-sec; Today is the 39th anniversary of the launch of GNU. I would say an important

12:10 Techrights-sec; topic would be to get institutions onboard for a proper recognition of the

12:10 Techrights-sec; 40th anniversary next year.

12:10 Techrights-sec; ^ topic

12:10 Techrights-sec; Right but you probably correspond with people who would / could do so.

12:10 Techrights-sec; yes, however others you correspond with might be appropriate

12:12 schestowitz-TR; hypothetical scenrio

12:12 schestowitz-TR; they don't pre-apporove slides

12:12 schestowitz-TR; or I go "off" the slides

12:12 schestowitz-TR; then talk about IBM

12:12 schestowitz-TR; LF

12:12 schestowitz-TR; OIN

12:12 schestowitz-TR; and FSF money beancounters

12:12 schestowitz-TR; get a littlew sweaty

12:12 schestowitz-TR; knowing who might be watching

12:12 schestowitz-TR; actually boston in nov.

12:12 schestowitz-TR; maybe not sweaty

12:12 Techrights-sec; What about zoobab or someone, that's what I was asking about.

12:13 schestowitz-TR; i _think_ he is very busy with upc complaint/lawsuit/similar

12:13 schestowitz-TR; but I might be wrong

12:13 Techrights-sec; Yes the LibrePlanet 2023 could be a plaform to inform the public about it and

12:13 Techrights-sec; to hone arguments.

12:15 Techrights-sec; Can you ask him?

12:15 schestowitz-TR; I don't think I ever saw a libreplanet talk (seen a lot) that focuses on corruption

12:15 schestowitz-TR; next time i open thunderbird (this coming night)

12:18 schestowitz-TR; i've just had a peek at the irc channel

12:18 schestowitz-TR; which I mostly ignore for now, lost hours on it and it'\s only 12pm

12:18 schestowitz-TR; the topic is controlled by trolls

12:18 schestowitz-TR; re fsf,

12:18 schestowitz-TR; where has ciaran gone?

12:18 schestowitz-TR; he used to run swpats.org

12:18 schestowitz-TR; and then sort of vanished

12:18 schestowitz-TR; ii researched this 2-3 years ago

12:18 schestowitz-TR; it's not clear why he stopped

12:18 Techrights-sec; Which network + channel?

12:18 schestowitz-TR; i'm sure fsf can send some lawyers to talk about swpats

12:18 schestowitz-TR; like it did the last time

12:18 schestowitz-TR; and the talk would be shallow

12:18 schestowitz-TR; not revolutionary

12:18 schestowitz-TR; "leave it to the profe$$ial$"

12:19 schestowitz-TR; the one in gemini scrollback

12:19 schestowitz-TR; caution: not good use of time

12:19 schestowitz-TR; better to work on links tbh

12:19 schestowitz-TR; I'm going to try to clean up rss feeds and then do videos

12:20 Techrights-sec; important theme:

12:20 Techrights-sec; https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/26/journalism-objectivity-and-neutrality-arent-the-same-thing/

12:20 Techrights-sec; ^ topic

12:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Journalism: "Objectivity" and "Neutrality" Aren't the Same Thing - CounterPunch.org

12:21 schestowitz-TR; yes, I do need more topics and linked to this article

12:21 schestowitz-TR; not sure what else to say, will think it through over coffee

12:21 schestowitz-TR; lol! I made coffee 30 mins ago

12:21 schestowitz-TR; forgot it in the percolator

12:21 schestowitz-TR; brb

12:23 Techrights-sec; thanks

12:23 schestowitz-TR; lol!

12:23 schestowitz-TR; familioar story

12:23 schestowitz-TR; yom dawg, i made you some hot coffee to top up your cold coffee

12:24 Techrights-sec; another theme:

12:24 Techrights-sec; https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-misinformation-spreads-so-quickly-on-social-media/

12:24 Techrights-sec; ^ topic

12:24 Techrights-sec; that ties into the counterpunch article too; objectivity is not parroting

12:24 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Why Misinformation Spreads So Quickly On Social Media | FiveThirtyEight

12:24 Techrights-sec; "both sides" but a matter of digging to find what the facts are

12:25 schestowitz-TR; the "look out the window" (re rain) parable

12:25 schestowitz-TR; but again, need to think of an angle that is relevant to current times

12:25 schestowitz-TR; like covid journalism

12:25 schestowitz-TR; though I try not to bring that up in TR

12:25 schestowitz-TR; it's toxic

12:28 Techrights-sec; Depends on the context, I would guess.

12:28 Techrights-sec; If one sticks to FOSS, sw patents, or something else it should be ok.

12:32 schestowitz-TR; btw, for maximal effect epo hard-hitting stuff will be near the time the delegates reconvene

12:32 schestowitz-TR; given the scazrcity of it

12:35 Techrights-sec; Another theme, setting aside who said it or maybe not, is that computers

12:35 Techrights-sec; used to be about doing work for people and under the direction of people rather

12:35 Techrights-sec; than as a means to far people and their attention. Note how far the proprietary

12:35 Techrights-sec; company Apple has diverged from its founder since his death:

12:35 Techrights-sec; https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9281634-i-think-one-of-the-things-that-really-separates-us

12:35 Techrights-sec; ^ topic

12:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Steve Jobs: I think one of the things that really separates...

12:35 Techrights-sec; I misread "scazrcity" as "Sarkzy"; Isn't his corruption tied somehow to the

12:35 Techrights-sec; ongoing corruption at the European Patent Office?

12:35 Techrights-sec; Yes and it can be time to revisit it at least briefly, minus the cartoons.

12:35 schestowitz-TR; sarko is the boss and handler of battostelli

12:35 schestowitz-TR; we did loads of cartoons and articles to that effect when B.B. was in charge

12:35 schestowitz-TR; not we have Breton

12:40 schestowitz-TR; new mental policy: make notes of potential topics

12:40 schestowitz-TR; then pause for opportunity to merge them in with something current

12:40 schestowitz-TR; mashup

12:40 schestowitz-TR; re jobs and jounralis and social control media, it'll be on the ice till I find a relevant (to TR) angle

12:40 schestowitz-TR; the FUD against FOSS is only indirectly conected to that, so not same post/video

12:45 Techrights-sec; Yes and it can be time to revisit it at least briefly, minus the cartoons.

12:45 Techrights-sec; Most softare, especially "apps", are about farming behaviors these days.

12:47 schestowitz-TR; also: better to write nothing that something regrettable

12:47 schestowitz-TR; and don't wrsetle with pigs

12:47 schestowitz-TR; time lost this morning on that

12:47 schestowitz-TR; took a break from irc, maybe for the rest of the day tbh

12:47 schestowitz-TR; spent more than enough time

12:47 schestowitz-TR; left coffee cold

12:47 schestowitz-TR; did not leave as intended, when intended

12:47 schestowitz-TR; to avery accusations of "running away"

12:47 schestowitz-TR; so coffee left aside... for an hour

12:47 schestowitz-TR; and it's falling below 10 degrees already, so I could use th warmth

12:47 schestowitz-TR; where did I get the video/linka bout Jobs regarding Internet?

12:47 schestowitz-TR; explaining that it's not about just using one's PC for computation?

12:47 schestowitz-TR; can't recall where IU got it

12:47 schestowitz-TR; but what he said was actually insightful

12:47 schestowitz-TR; for that time

12:54 Techrights-sec; Not sure. What phrases can you recall from that video?

12:54 schestowitz-TR; mystery where I got it from,checking browser history...

12:55 Techrights-sec; What phrases can you recall from that video?

12:59 schestowitz-TR; their machines are expensive, but high-end

12:59 schestowitz-TR; more recent parents

12:59 schestowitz-TR; I just go for budget/second hand

12:59 schestowitz-TR; the n make up in quantities

12:59 schestowitz-TR; my friend wanted to take photos of my desk to show people

12:59 schestowitz-TR; forgoet about the jobs video; i spent too miuch time already trying to (re)locate it

12:59 schestowitz-TR; anyway, I will wrap up rss now

12:59 schestowitz-TR; and ignore irc

12:59 schestowitz-TR; /s/parents/patents/

13:00 Techrights-sec; The Jobs video can be found if you can recall a phrase or two spoken in it.

13:01 schestowitz-TR; i don't remember and would not want to liu... wait... I actually did link to it in irc

13:01 schestowitz-TR; last night or today past midnight

13:02 Techrights-sec; ack

13:05 schestowitz-TR; failing to find it

13:05 schestowitz-TR; it said something to the effect of goodquotes you cited (i did not open yet)

13:05 schestowitz-TR; but then again apple was never abolut getting shit done, either

13:05 schestowitz-TR; it was about getting all your money

13:05 schestowitz-TR; with pcs that cost like 10k by today's money

13:05 schestowitz-TR; and that's what I knew them for..

13:05 schestowitz-TR; snobs with money

13:05 schestowitz-TR; (people who owned them in 80s/90s)

13:07 Techrights-sec; ack

13:07 Techrights-sec; It was about fleecing people but for a few years they were following

13:07 Techrights-sec; Jobs' insistance about efficiency and usability. There are many faults

13:07 Techrights-sec; with Apple and old OS X, but for a while they did keep an emphasis on usability

13:07 Techrights-sec; Now its about "ecosystem" lock-in for formats, protocols, and even data.

13:07 Techrights-sec; Worse, the UI has become about 'engagement' which is worrying because for

13:07 Techrights-sec; a normal, standalone computer there is no upside to an 'engagement' approach

13:07 Techrights-sec; at the expense of usability. So it is most likely that they are increasing

13:07 Techrights-sec; their scanning, listening, watching, and other surveillance.

13:07 schestowitz-TR; plus scanning your file because you are presumed a "crim"

13:07 schestowitz-TR; "bartender, I will have my tv program... with booze on the side... keep bringing me more booze"

13:11 schestowitz-TR; ---

13:11 schestowitz-TR; i went out of my way to write hacks in rthe shell to filter out IRC BS and show it on another monitor

13:11 schestowitz-TR; to LOWER engagement

13:11 schestowitz-TR; and let me turn notifications off

13:11 schestowitz-TR; in past 5 years the social control media shits made the notifications parts harder to hide

13:11 schestowitz-TR; I had to write kwin rules to slide parts of the fluid windows out of view in x org

13:11 schestowitz-TR; so that I don't see all the crap thrown at me

13:11 schestowitz-TR; while I try to focus on just one task

13:12 schestowitz-TR; or chgeck replies just once a week or less, in bulk

13:12 schestowitz-TR; thunderbird I clean fully at most once a month

13:12 schestowitz-TR; too much spam and cruft

13:12 schestowitz-TR; email became very unimportant to me, tbh

13:12 schestowitz-TR; even rianne and I barely exchange email anymore, we use text files on the pi as a file server

13:12 schestowitz-TR; with kio and kate

13:12 schestowitz-TR; the landline doubled down as an intercom

13:12 schestowitz-TR; but one of the two cordless sets stopped working months ago

13:16 Techrights-sec;

13:16 Techrights-sec; Efficiency and focus is the opposite of 'engagement'

13:16 Techrights-sec; 25 years ago, the world's universities has a global file sharing network

13:16 Techrights-sec; on UNIX (GNU/Linux and others), MacOS, and Windows (pre-XP). It was folder

13:16 Techrights-sec; level access control and you could share with groups or individuals, easily,

13:16 Techrights-sec; via a folder / directory on the desktop system or even on servers. The

13:16 Techrights-sec; people sharing the folders only needed to be part of AFS and could be located

13:16 Techrights-sec; anywhere in the world. I guess Ceph might be the descendant but no university

13:16 Techrights-sec; that I have heard of still has any meaningful IT department, if they even

13:17 Techrights-sec; have one at all. Most don't. The result is that one has to jump through

13:17 Techrights-sec; a million hoops to share a simple file and the process is buried in

13:17 Techrights-sec; dangers, inefficiencies, and incompatibilities.

13:17 Techrights-sec; s/has a/had a/

13:17 schestowitz-TR; 1990s: i can't do your formnats

13:17 schestowitz-TR; now: i need a new account iyour clown

13:17 schestowitz-TR; the latter isnot just vendor lockin

13:17 schestowitz-TR; but also a surveillance outpost

13:17 schestowitz-TR; for bosses, not just states and companies

13:18 Techrights-sec; ... and still can't do the formats of the files therein

13:18 Techrights-sec; https://dwheeler.com/essays/why-opendocument-won.html

13:18 Techrights-sec; https://dwheeler.com/essays/opendocument-open.html

13:18 Techrights-sec; standards and interoperability as a means for commodity markets is another

13:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dwheeler.com | Why OpenDocument Won (and Microsoft Office Open XML Didnt)

13:18 Techrights-sec; recurring theme touching on many current topics

13:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dwheeler.com | Is OpenDocument an Open Standard? Yes!

13:18 Techrights-sec; or the lack of or blocking of such standards

13:18 Techrights-sec; ^ topic

13:23 schestowitz-TR; thanks, we still need to work out and reword explanation of these issues

13:23 schestowitz-TR; i think we can refine this further

13:23 schestowitz-TR; and then get other people to argue similarly

13:23 schestowitz-TR; cory d wreote a fiar deal about that

13:23 schestowitz-TR; i think he still uses MSUbuntu

13:25 schestowitz-TR; he covers many topics and his talks are rarely "parrots"

13:25 schestowitz-TR; afaik, he did not found or coin anything, e.g. "4 freedoms"

13:25 schestowitz-TR; he just releases books, a lot

13:26 schestowitz-TR; plus a daily essay

13:56 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Microbell at it again https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-VCN-Async-Mesa-22.3

13:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Thanks Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix

13:56 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Thanks Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix

13:57 Techrights-sec; ack

13:58 schestowitz-TR; thank you for helping my sponsor

13:58 schestowitz-TR; which also asks me to booost azure

13:58 schestowitz-TR; and helps microsoft foist pluton

14:14 schestowitz-TR; give him 1-2 more years and he'll be an LF parrot

14:58 schestowitz-TR; sounds like something exploded

14:58 schestowitz-TR; other than the economy and the prices ;-)

15:04 schestowitz-TR; ---

15:04 schestowitz-TR; sio I guess further price hikes imminent

15:04 schestowitz-TR; also, it's bad enough that comms are done through satellites that require rockets

15:04 schestowitz-TR; and cables on the bottom of an ocean

15:04 schestowitz-TR; alot worse withdrilling and gas transport

15:04 schestowitz-TR; disaster always certain

15:04 schestowitz-TR; ages to get to to issue

15:06 schestowitz-TR; --

15:06 schestowitz-TR; so maybe not ww3 or "end of the world"

15:06 schestowitz-TR; just culling of those least robust to financial turbulence

15:06 schestowitz-TR; or those with many offsprings

15:06 schestowitz-TR; it fucks up the offsprings the most

15:06 schestowitz-TR; no proper childhood

15:06 schestowitz-TR; the mental burden remains to be witnessed

15:07 schestowitz-TR; i try to be an outside to this

15:07 schestowitz-TR; seems to have paid off since 2020

15:07 schestowitz-TR; maybe a few decades from now our yough will be no better off than in chinese sweatshop

15:07 schestowitz-TR; working on the cheap just for bunk bed and food

15:07 schestowitz-TR; 9 to 9, 6 a week (996)

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15:36 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Interpol seeks arrest of failed crypto-firm boss Do Kwon - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63033262 Source: BBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63033262

15:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bbc.co.uk | Interpol seeks arrest of failed crypto-firm boss Do Kwon - BBC News

15:37 schestowitz-TR; my friend says the scammer seems to be running from HK, but the domain is malaysia-registered (common) and maybe the company is Korean, he says

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18:57 Techrights-sec; cross-border scams are hard to deal with, which is why so many seem to operate

18:57 Techrights-sec; like that

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