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00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > "I don't know what to say. And Debian being what it is, a project and
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > not really a company, who or what is liable in a court of law?"
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; >
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > Many people have the same impression, even the family of the victim.
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; >
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > This is why it is so important to identify the controllers of the mob,
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > their addresses for the service of legal documents and their employers.
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > It shows everybody that those people are not out of reach.
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; >
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > That is a response from somebody completely outside the free software
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > world. Yet even people in the free software world have much the same
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > impression, they are too easily fooled by the assertion that Debian
00:27 schestowitz__[TR]; > doesn't have a legal status and that Debian is untouchable.
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01:44 Techrights-sec; checking
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06:45 Techrights-sec; some changes to CSS and a partial update to the lookup table
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; thanks, that solves everything
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; I've not managed to reproduce yesterday's charset issue
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; but I suppose that's better
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; there's nothing to solve really, I just wonder how it came about and have a theory
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; maybe barrier/synergy, but I did not work across PCs for this
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; w'ere changing all the fish water atm
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; need to do it quarterly, it takes almost 2 hours in total
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; the rest is partial, maintenance
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; not using boiling water to clean everything like peddbles
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; today I'll need extra topics
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; as this weekend I have "spare" time
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; I always try to ensure our posts aren't just a "me too"
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; or repetition of what other sites already cover
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; regarding image uploader, for now at my end I do it with wget, marius and rianne will need the more
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; practical approach
06:51 schestowitz-TR2; when would be the right time to add arindam's public key?
07:06 Techrights-sec; topic: all the sites and pages under *.mandriva.com are long gone and the
07:06 Techrights-sec; URLs redirected to domain squatters;
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; I'll record about this now
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; OTA
07:07 Techrights-sec; we can try adding arindam's key sometime soon, I'd like to run a few
07:07 Techrights-sec; tests again
07:07 Techrights-sec; ack
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; wow, distrowatch for mandriva lkinks to 6 or so reviews from tuxmachines
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; going back to 2005
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; all the links still work
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; the "old" site
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; and the screenshots too
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; shows how importantant the site in its current form is
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; recording another video now (it's efficient that way)
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; also: I show novell.com
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; try it...
07:21 schestowitz-TR2; not even a logo anymore
07:21 Techrights-sec; ack
07:21 Techrights-sec; there are a lot of other dead sites linked to from TM
07:21 Techrights-sec; yep
07:21 Techrights-sec; at least that one doesn't go to a casino, though one could argue about the
07:21 Techrights-sec; destination not being much better ...
07:38 schestowitz-TR2; OTAS
07:38 schestowitz-TR2; done
07:38 schestowitz-TR2; I did one on gemini, too
07:38 schestowitz-TR2; EPO has been quiet, but we have a bombshell series coming soon
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; a got a little confused or my synapses triggered when I was about to say something about ensuring readers do not havfe to leave their gemini client
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; it happened around the time I was going through the tuxmachines capsule, recognising it invites people to visit www
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; and then wondered, what if there was a newswaffle link as well (for same url)?
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; aside from aspects such daily archives or monthly archives
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; but I forgot what I had in mind
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; ]and that happens a lot while recording and you have no time to catch up with thoughts or take notes down
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; I was basicaly showing you can get lots of GNU/Linux news from within gemini
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; and also planet gemini, forecasts, size expansion etc.
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; got a little overloaded with thoughts
07:46 schestowitz-TR2; I'm not working on the text while the videos are being processed
08:06 schestowitz-TR2; ---
08:06 schestowitz-TR2; draft
08:06 schestowitz-TR2; about curation
08:06 schestowitz-TR2; up your alley
08:06 schestowitz-TR2; no summary yet
08:14 Techrights-sec; checking
08:15 Techrights-sec; One of the biggest differences between paper and web is that web is centralized
08:15 Techrights-sec; and you never actually own or possess the copy you read. So there is only
08:15 Techrights-sec; one single location where something bad has to happen, either through action
08:15 Techrights-sec; or inaction, for access for the entire world to vanish.
08:15 Techrights-sec; M$ exploits that a lot to try to rewrite history in its favor, and replace
08:15 Techrights-sec; facts with lies and innuendo
08:15 schestowitz-TR2; thanks, I shall expand the text a bit, then write the text for the next video
08:18 Techrights-sec; ack
08:22 schestowitz-TR2; the shift to tech has many downsides
08:22 schestowitz-TR2; I sometimes think lesser-technical people are hesitant to say it
08:22 schestowitz-TR2; fearing they would be called luddite and somesuch
08:22 schestowitz-TR2; so people who get tech need to explain that voting machines, "self-checkout" etc. are a regression
08:22 schestowitz-TR2; same for "going digital"
08:22 schestowitz-TR2; gemini has many of the "offline-first" mentality
08:26 Techrights-sec; One of the things that Web2.0 eliminated was the concept of authoritative source
08:26 Techrights-sec; IMHO
08:26 Techrights-sec; Kids (and adults) are not being taught source evaluation. They are instead
08:26 Techrights-sec; given a heuristic that starts out with the misleading requirement that the
08:26 Techrights-sec; material in question "sound reasonable". Well, if you've only ever heard
08:26 Techrights-sec; disinformation, or have gone down the rabbit hole of misinformation and
08:26 Techrights-sec; disinnformation, then of course facts are going to seem unreasonable and
08:26 Techrights-sec; perhaps downright foreign.
08:26 Techrights-sec; and alienating.
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; the shift to tech has many downsides
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; I sometimes think lesser-technical people are hesitant to say it
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; fearing they would be called luddite and somesuch
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; so people who get tech need to explain that voting machines, "self-checkout" etc. are a regression
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; same for "going digital"
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; gemini has many of the "offline-first" mentality
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; worse: they just accuracy by "likes"a nd "share"
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; i.e. stuff that becomes more visible
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; and absed on twitter wber or even fb (francis h), there is interference, even foreign, and it does much harm
08:29 Techrights-sec; yes and there is a disconnect with the public, because in the past some of
08:29 Techrights-sec; these institutions were central in eduction and archiving knowledge. without
08:29 Techrights-sec; any public discourse, that has changed. people tend to live in the past
08:29 Techrights-sec; so they don't notice how things are and are even less likely to notice the
08:29 Techrights-sec; trajectory things are on.
08:31 schestowitz-TR2; maybe a theme for the imminent future, not sure...
08:31 schestowitz-TR2; tbh, one downside of leaving all social control media is that I lost sight of what goes on there
08:31 schestowitz-TR2; even manstodon and the fediverse in general
08:31 schestowitz-TR2; but I got the impression it's waning too
08:31 schestowitz-TR2; many people take a break or hiatus
08:31 schestowitz-TR2; seeing the overall "engagement" is done anyway
08:32 schestowitz-TR2; it peaked half a decade ago
08:32 schestowitz-TR2; and the figures from statcounter seem to confirm that
08:32 schestowitz-TR2; twitter made money from the "trump effect"
08:32 schestowitz-TR2; jack meanwhile moved to fakecoins
08:32 schestowitz-TR2; I bet there too he loses money
08:32 schestowitz-TR2; but not his own money
08:42 schestowitz-TR2; --
08:42 schestowitz-TR2; I think I want to go more and more down this route of info management
08:43 schestowitz-TR2; seeing that some older issues are either evolving or going away
08:43 schestowitz-TR2; the other say in my personal site I posted a video of tim b-l on linked data
08:43 schestowitz-TR2; not sure if you follow that blog
08:43 schestowitz-TR2; but in 2005 I already wanted to do a second phd, that one in semantic web
08:43 schestowitz-TR2; I spoke to a well-known prof in that are (in our dept), at the end decided to just focus on the sites insread
08:43 schestowitz-TR2; in 2005 ther web was in a vastly better shape
08:43 schestowitz-TR2; still with some real media presence
08:43 schestowitz-TR2; and now a "Tracking industry"
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08:52 schestowitz-TR2; ---
08:52 schestowitz-TR2; draft
08:52 schestowitz-TR2; short, no summary yet
08:52 schestowitz-TR2; video still processing
09:17 schestowitz-TR2; maybe we can install a local instance of newswaffle
09:17 schestowitz-TR2; then link from TM's capsules to that
09:17 schestowitz-TR2; with the title="" part turned into attribution
09:17 Techrights-sec; ack
09:17 Techrights-sec; checking
09:17 Techrights-sec; what is the link to the source for Newswaffle, what does it do?
09:17 schestowitz-TR2; I just wonder what dependencies it has, how hard it is to deploy locally
09:18 schestowitz__[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/10/after-simplynews-comes-newswaffle/
09:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | A Ton of News Sites, With Images Included, Now in Geminispace Owing to NewsWaffle | Techrights
09:18 schestowitz__[TR]; gemini://gemi.dev/gemlog/2022-07-10-newswaffle.gmi
09:19 Techrights-sec; dead linK? https://mepis.org/
09:19 Techrights-sec; what des newswaffle do?
09:19 Techrights-sec; what is the project page URL?
09:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mepis.org | 6 Best Linux Distros of 2021, Coupons, Sale & Discounts
09:26 schestowitz-TR2; short story, tuxmachines can make gemtext versions of pages it links to
09:26 schestowitz-TR2; and they are made 'on the fly'
09:26 schestowitz-TR2; so copyright ought not be an issue
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09:27 Techrights-sec; https://github.com/acidus99/NewsWaffle/tree/main/NewsWaffle
09:27 Techrights-sec; Technically it is a browser or proxy
09:27 Techrights-sec; https://github.com/acidus99/NewsWaffle/blob/main/NewsWaffle.sln
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09:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-NewsWaffle/NewsWaffle at main acidus99/NewsWaffle GitHub
09:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-NewsWaffle/NewsWaffle.sln at main acidus99/NewsWaffle GitHub
09:35 schestowitz-TR2; yes
09:35 schestowitz-TR2; I forgot what went through my mind while recording
09:35 schestowitz-TR2; but basically the premise was,
09:35 schestowitz-TR2; you do not need to leave gemini
09:36 schestowitz-TR2; but then in TM it's trickier than this
09:36 schestowitz-TR2; and given how much we link to there, it can act as a proxy for gemini users... for "linux" news
09:55 Techrights-sec; I'm not familiar with the language it is written in
09:55 Techrights-sec; More to the point, it is absent from the official Alpine repositories and
09:55 Techrights-sec; that ought to be a veto until it is properly packaged. Otherwise there
09:55 Techrights-sec; will be a lot of time spent trackign the project and its security holes
09:55 Techrights-sec; and hurriedly patching and compiling
09:56 schestowitz-TR2; fair point
09:56 schestowitz-TR2; would linking to the external (semi-official) instance be worth it?
10:03 Techrights-sec; I guess so, but without a proper package in the repository running an instance
10:03 Techrights-sec; ought to wait. There is just too much maintenance overhead otherwise, not to
10:03 Techrights-sec; mention the security risks.
10:03 schestowitz-TR2; in my experience (the IRC bot), all one has to do is append the URL to the "base" part of newswaffler
10:03 schestowitz-TR2; it can deal with all sors of "weird" URL strings
10:03 schestowitz-TR2; I also think it's important to use the tool and encouirage others to do the same
10:03 schestowitz-TR2; to keep the incentive to run and maintain it
10:03 schestowitz-TR2; same with invidious
10:09 Techrights-sec; yes
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; from what I can see, from capsules we have (two of them), more people install and also regularly use gemini clients
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; unique IP addresses
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; if they can get everything in plain form (some people who read TM over gemini emailed me), the www will wane
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; which is probably what we want anyway, given what the www became
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; with the financial meltdown (I did two posts about MSFT last night) I think all those unprofitable companies
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; will perish in due course
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; show profit or drop dead
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; one needs to perservere as hey fall
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; the remaining diaspora pods (I am guessing mastodon also) will die gradually
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; because you just see the trends and it's a swift slide
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10:38 schestowitz-TR2; LOL. OSI has outsourced its Web site to proprietary software. ClownFlare.
10:38 schestowitz-TR2; Also, the OSI Web site had been hosted on FreeBSD until a decade ago https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fopensource.org
10:38 schestowitz-TR2; -
10:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for http://opensource.org | Netcraft
10:45 Techrights-sec; ack
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; -
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; atm tuxmachines.org redirects to news.tuxmachines.org
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; is it ok to make a simple front page like techrights.org, which in turn has various links, inc. news.tm
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; and maybe mention the gemini capsule, archives, screenshots etc.?
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; I can do this myself today
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; come to think of it, that's one way to git-ify the front page of techrights
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; we can model it on the same thing
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; I'm gonna have a go at it
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; btw, in netcraft TM's traffic ranks is about same as OSI and linuxfoundation.org
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; news.tuxmachines.org is considered new and unknown to some extent
10:53 schestowitz-TR2; so risk ranking is 1/10 (10 is worst)
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11:04 Techrights-sec; ack
11:04 Techrights-sec; maybe sometime the new TM site can be tuxmachines.org and the old one
11:04 Techrights-sec; become at that time old.tuxmachines.org ?
11:06 schestowitz-TR2; maybe, but that can break ond incoming links if not done very carefully
11:06 schestowitz-TR2; there are also all sorts of secondary links for printer-friendly and pdf
11:06 schestowitz-TR2; atm, the old site still does 2.5-3 hits per second
11:06 schestowitz-TR2; and that uses the inertia
11:07 schestowitz-TR2; I am making a front page for tuxmachines based on the TR front page
11:07 schestowitz-TR2; planning to push to git later
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11:25 Techrights-sec; ack
11:25 Techrights-sec; remember, simple is better, simpler is best
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11:30 schestowitz-TR2; I've disabled the geek4geeks site
11:30 schestowitz-TR2; it seems like contentfarm, not a blog
11:30 schestowitz-TR2; it ven got worse since I first added it (if that's possible!)
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11:43 Techrights-sec; ack
11:56 schestowitz-TR2; ok, go to tuxmachines.org/index2.php
11:56 schestowitz-TR2; I think php really wants rss and cannot cope with atom
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12:51 Techrights-sec; checking
12:51 Techrights-sec; what would be the purpose of the alternate page?
12:53 schestowitz-TR2; assuming the news site is a subsection of the whole
12:53 schestowitz-TR2; the front page can link to an extensive site archive
12:53 schestowitz-TR2; including stuff like distro reviews
12:53 schestowitz-TR2; "blog style sites" = everyone here just comes to read the latst thing (also see: social control media)
12:53 schestowitz-TR2; 1990s site = people come here to find info
12:53 schestowitz-TR2; "mobile" = pile of shit with no navigation except back button
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13:01 schestowitz-TR2; wait, did you mention "alternative version"?
13:01 schestowitz-TR2; in that same page?
13:01 schestowitz-TR2; that's your mobile-friently (fluid, div-based) rendition of the same)
13:01 schestowitz-TR2; but either way, it would be nice to make tuxmachines not just a news stream
13:01 schestowitz-TR2; but also a place where people can find older things
13:01 schestowitz-TR2; in techrights, we made a placeholder for "This Week imn History"
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14:09 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> EFF became product endorser... for AOL??? TechCrunch now, Microsoft before... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/techcrunch-launches-lookup-tool-help-android-users-know-if-their-device-was | Source: EFF
14:09 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | TechCrunch Launches Lookup Tool to Help Android Users Know if Their Device Was Compromised by a Family of Stalkerware Apps | Electronic Frontier Foundation
14:10 Techrights-sec; ack
14:10 Techrights-sec; some kind of calendar function would be needed to finish setting up
14:10 Techrights-sec; a "This Week In History", not necessarily on the web but something accessible
14:10 Techrights-sec; by several
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; at least we have escaped the rigid blog-like format of drupal/wordpress/joomla
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; the current cms is more flesible and liberating
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; and still supports atom/rss
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; for the front page we need to think carefully
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; what I put there is prototype, a culled version of the techrights thing
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; I've not done the same for "mobile" version
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; but that can be like what we have in gemini for 1) archives-centic index and 2) irc-centric index
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; in gemini (TR) we have 3 types of indexes
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; after you and I refactored things to make the main page shorter
14:15 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> EFF: abortions, sex change, politics etc. Yes, we used to talk about tech, but nowadays we oust our techies, so... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/trans-youths-need-data-sanctuary | Source: EFF
14:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Trans Youths Need Data Sanctuary | Electronic Frontier Foundation
14:48 Techrights-sec; ack
14:48 schestowitz-TR2; aha!!
14:48 schestowitz-TR2; Sorted the php fetch from atom
14:48 schestowitz-TR2; made some modifications
14:48 schestowitz-TR2; refresh above page
14:48 schestowitz-TR2; remember this is a _single-file_ page, self-contained
15:00 Techrights-sec; ack
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15:30 schestowitz__[TR]; I think I found the culprit in the encoding issue
15:30 schestowitz__[TR]; it happened again
15:30 schestowitz__[TR]; in
15:30 schestowitz__[TR]; <li><h5><a href="https://tecadmin.net/how-to-run-multiple-commands-in-one-cron-job/">How to Run Multiple Commands in One Cron Job – TecAdmin</a></h5>
15:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tecadmin.net | How to Run Multiple Commands in One Cron Job TecAdmin
15:30 schestowitz__[TR]; <blockquote><p>According to the official documentation, you will find that PipeWire is installed on your system, especially on Debian 10, 11, and 12, but it will not be in an active state to be used on your system.
15:30 schestowitz__[TR]; </p></blockquote></li>
15:30 schestowitz__[TR]; removing –
15:30 schestowitz__[TR]; seems to have solved it
15:38 schestowitz__[TR]; maybe also this:
15:38 schestowitz__[TR]; <li><h5><a href="https://thenewstack.io/deploy-a-kubernetes-cluster-on-ubuntu-server-using-containerd/">Deploy a Kubernetes Cluster on Ubuntu Server Using Containerd – The New Stack</a></h5>
15:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thenewstack.io | Deploy a Kubernetes Cluster on Ubuntu Server Using Containerd The New Stack
15:39 schestowitz__[TR]; mind the –
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17:38 Techrights-sec; yes, that's a problem with some things, they don't accept the abbreviations
17:38 Techrights-sec; like they should and you have to then use the numeric values in their place
17:38 Techrights-sec; on the other hand, all the scripts /should/ be able to handle plain UTF-8
17:38 Techrights-sec; for both input and output without need for entities
17:39 schestowitz-TR2; so you suggest I just manually do a sanity check?
17:39 schestowitz-TR2; and redo if needed?
17:39 schestowitz-TR2; Assuming there's no blanket solution?
17:57 Techrights-sec; There's probably not a blanket solution if not using raw UTF-8
17:58 schestowitz-TR2; I can improve my sed here, I think some of these oddball symbols come from <title> of some sites
17:58 schestowitz-TR2; so I will make substitutions
17:59 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure sed is UTF8-safe yet; There is a rumor of AWK gaining UTF-8 support
17:59 Techrights-sec; only the other day, but the rumor has not be confirmed yet
17:59 schestowitz-TR2; K has talked about it
17:59 schestowitz-TR2; I gathered 3 or 4 reports
18:18 Techrights-sec; ack
18:25 schestowitz-TR2; I am looking at tm-extract
18:25 schestowitz-TR2; would you say a better approach would be to get the list of posts for a given day from the DB?
18:25 schestowitz-TR2; or from the file system?
18:25 schestowitz-TR2; in the file system it should not be hard to do, except getting page titles require scanning each file
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20:42 Techrights-sec; the slug (file name) would be easiest to look up when combined with date
20:42 Techrights-sec; it is in the keys table
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