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01:12 Techrights-sec2; I think I have been able to restore the scripts from backup now

01:12 Techrights-sec2; As far as I can guess, with limited knowledge about Git, it appears that

01:12 Techrights-sec2; a lot of changes go buffered and then the rollback which was supposed to undo

01:12 Techrights-sec2; only a single change undid a whole lot because the three acounts had somehow

01:12 Techrights-sec2; gotten badly out of sync.

01:12 Techrights-sec2; It was close but I am in the habit of doing incremental backups on multiple

01:12 Techrights-sec2; media. I still don't trust git. I'm sure the software behind it is good but

01:12 Techrights-sec2; the UI leaves a lot to be desired and is very unclear, not as bad as PGP though

01:13 schestowitz-TR; I am sooo relieved then

01:13 schestowitz-TR; I went to sleep earlier and saw the rants

01:13 schestowitz-TR; worried we had lost a lot

01:13 schestowitz-TR; took some notes, edited locally for a bit

01:13 schestowitz-TR; I stashed my sole change (irc) before pulling

01:13 schestowitz-TR; and have made further improving, integrating your version and the version that was lost to push later when things 'stabilise'

01:14 Techrights-sec2; One thing to note is that image files should go into the Images directory

01:14 Techrights-sec2; because at some point they might be processed differently and it is useful

01:14 Techrights-sec2; to have them away from the text files.

01:16 schestowitz-TR; btw, kaniini received the money and wants to not rely on wordpress anymopre

01:16 schestowitz-TR; seems like a shared view that the bloat is pushing the limits

01:17 schestowitz-TR; kaniini also wants to try gemini at some point

01:17 schestowitz-TR; re image files, you've already replaced one with css

01:17 schestowitz-TR; pending template change at our end

01:17 schestowitz-TR; and the fanicon is tiny and you also moved it

01:17 schestowitz-TR; when we migrate old pages to new some of the files in /files will need to be in the subsite too for the pages to render fully (that was a literalk shower thought

01:17 schestowitz-TR; this morning)

01:17 schestowitz-TR; but it's a step further away, not a priority for now

01:17 schestowitz-TR; the old DB has been hgolding up OK for almost 2 week now, loss of some old nodes notwithstanding

01:17 Techrights-sec2; We can aim for setting up a similar system for TR after the TM one is in place

01:17 Techrights-sec2; if that seems more useful. WordPress really is too heavy for what it claims

01:17 Techrights-sec2; to be able to do.

01:18 schestowitz-TR; to clarify, kaniini spoke of own blog, not ours

01:18 schestowitz-TR; matt lee said it a decade ago

01:18 schestowitz-TR; too much maintenance work even for a small and mostly inactive blog

01:18 schestowitz-TR; for me, 2013 with auto-update was a turning point

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01:20 schestowitz-TR; WordPress installations after v3 are remotely controlled by Automattic (the automatic updates), even if you're self-hosting, not using wordpress.com

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01:21 Techrights-sec2; even those which are ostensibly self-hosted must allow Automattic to be able

01:21 Techrights-sec2; to login to *FTP* of all things. That adds two back doors to the bloat.

01:21 Techrights-sec2; There are ways around it but that means no automated updates.

01:23 schestowitz-TR; one must ask,

01:23 schestowitz-TR; why auto-update in the first place?

01:23 schestowitz-TR; and the answer is, bloat with many third party stuff lumped in means more critical issues

01:23 schestowitz-TR; it's what doomed php-nuke

01:23 schestowitz-TR; gets very hard to maintain all the "modules"

01:23 schestowitz-TR; mitchell calles it something, then linked to a reference

01:23 schestowitz-TR; I forgot the name for it

01:23 Techrights-sec2; yes, among other disadvantages

01:25 schestowitz-TR; a) at work part opf our job is to spot 1-days for stuff like drupal and patch

01:25 schestowitz-TR; b) alpine linux is linux, but since many "linux" issues are systemd they go line, "ah, ok, not our problem"

01:25 schestowitz-TR; fewer "moving parts" in general

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01:28 Techrights-sec2; speaking of alpine, what is the way to restore the normal behavior in vi

01:28 Techrights-sec2; so that one only presses escape once to have it acknowledged by the program

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01:30 schestowitz-TR; I was never too fond of vi, not because I did not know how to use it but because I met nano

01:30 schestowitz-TR; and it improved a lot over time, so I quit using vi any time I coulkd dodge it

01:30 schestowitz-TR; with vi I'd sometimes make mistakes I'd not be able to undo and then q!

01:30 schestowitz-TR; then try again

01:30 schestowitz-TR; esp. due to input entry modes

01:32 Techrights-sec2; found it, it would have never been obvious through the manual pages or guides

01:32 Techrights-sec2; but :inoremap <Esc> <Esc><Esc> seems to fix it

01:32 Techrights-sec2; I find vi very practical for configuration files and for shell scripts

01:32 Techrights-sec2; and CSS but avoid it for all else

01:37 schestowitz-TR; when I was in my 20s I took a train journey up to the north east to work on servers of to clients, newcastle and a small town nearby

01:37 schestowitz-TR; known only for football

01:37 schestowitz-TR; and their server rack with a scren attached had only vi

01:37 schestowitz-TR; entering the configs too several efforts

01:37 schestowitz-TR; there is not even one consistent version or behaviour in vi

01:37 schestowitz-TR; and there is no room for errors in some cases, e.g. grub, netwroking (without physical access)

01:37 schestowitz-TR; that was in Sunderland

01:37 schestowitz-TR; I hated having to go on trips just to fix things

01:37 schestowitz-TR; it was boring and I could not do "Linux links" etc.

01:37 schestowitz-TR; like a travellking slaesperson

01:38 Techrights-sec2; yes, though for the most part, core vi, andnot vim, is standard. At least

01:38 Techrights-sec2; the parts I use are, up until this Esc thing with Alpine.

01:38 Techrights-sec2; A 'kvm' setup can work with GRUB. GRUB 1 was kind of an improvement over LILO

01:38 Techrights-sec2; in some ways. GRUB 2 is a hot mess a far as I can tell.

01:43 Techrights-sec2; I'm still not sure how the three accounts got out of sync like that even

01:44 Techrights-sec2; though they were reporting ok.

01:45 schestowitz-TR; took note of things to do when git is predictable again, but need to sleep soon

01:45 schestowitz-TR; rianne covers me while out of home

01:45 schestowitz-TR; interaction over irc and telephone

01:45 schestowitz-TR; like I said last night, I did some weird stuff on git,

01:45 schestowitz-TR; inc. trying to edit a file directly on the server

01:45 schestowitz-TR; but not sure if that threw a spanner in the works

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06:25 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> The coin-operated SJVN is writing spammy ads now. How low he has sunk. https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudify-partners-with-servicenow-for-business-cloud-automation/

06:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Cloudify partners with ServiceNow for business cloud automation | ZDNet

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07:08 Techrights-sec2; this one is a puzzle with the CSS in that the H1 i turning up after the feed

07:08 Techrights-sec2; and fails to float to the left (or vice versa)

07:08 Techrights-sec2; https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/Programming:_KDE_coding,_Code_review_at_the_speed_of_email,_and_Rakudo_Weekly_News.shtml

07:08 Techrights-sec2; Both Chromium and Firefox show the same problem. All the other pages show up ok

07:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Programming: KDE coding, Code review at the speed of email, and Rakudo Weekly News

07:08 Techrights-sec2; ok. I was thinking it would be worth a few minutes since it makes the page

07:11 schestowitz-TR; I think that depends on the browser

07:11 schestowitz-TR; it's the sort of issue techrights wiki has (opera, then chrome browsers)

07:11 schestowitz-TR; and in schestowitz.com too

07:11 schestowitz-TR; I sspent hours more than 10 years ago trying to solve those things

07:11 schestowitz-TR; yes, i noticed the same

07:11 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if, to keep the repo "safe", I should wipe the Git-TM directory and checkout again

07:11 schestowitz-TR; I think hard-reset would have the same effect

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07:44 Techrights-sec2; It might be a good idea to start it over. But I am not sure of the right

07:44 Techrights-sec2; method. I'd say that starting with an empty directory might be the way to

07:44 Techrights-sec2; go and then fill it from the existing clone(s)

07:45 Techrights-sec2; If I understand correctly, hard reset wipes the upstream somehow.

07:47 schestowitz-TR; from what I've read, it cancels away local changes

07:48 Techrights-sec2; Yes, but how can one tell 'local' changes from what's upstream in the real

07:48 Techrights-sec2; repository? It seems they can diverge greatly yet still report that everything

07:48 Techrights-sec2; is ok anyway

07:50 schestowitz; remote: Enumerating objects: 52, done.

07:50 schestowitz; remote: Counting objects: 100% (52/52), done.

07:50 schestowitz; remote: Compressing objects: 100% (45/45), done.

07:50 schestowitz; remote: Total 46 (delta 19), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 0

07:50 schestowitz; Unpacking objects: 100% (46/46), done.

07:50 schestowitz; From ssh://news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org

07:50 schestowitz; + fa5a386...5bac634 master -> origin/master (forced update)

07:50 schestowitz; Auto-merging htdocs/irc.shtml

07:50 schestowitz; CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in htdocs/irc.shtml

07:50 schestowitz; Auto-merging htdocs/contact.shtml

07:50 schestowitz; CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in htdocs/contact.shtml

07:50 schestowitz; Auto-merging bin/update-and-refresh-from-db.sh

07:50 schestowitz; CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in bin/update-and-refresh-from-db.sh

07:50 schestowitz; Auto-merging bin/tm-generate-feed.pl

07:50 schestowitz; CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in bin/tm-generate-feed.pl

07:50 schestowitz; Auto-merging bin/refresh-site-from-db.sh

07:50 schestowitz; CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in bin/refresh-site-from-db.sh

07:50 schestowitz; Auto-merging bin/add-and-refresh-from-db.sh

07:50 schestowitz; CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in bin/add-and-refresh-from-db.sh

07:50 schestowitz; Automatic merge failed; fix conflicts and then commit the result.

07:52 schestowitz-TR; this is what I got last night after you had afk'ed

07:53 schestowitz-TR; I merged htdocs/irc.shtml

07:53 schestowitz-TR; with what I had done hours before, but did not push anything back

07:53 schestowitz-TR; I cannot push until addressing these conflicts

07:53 schestowitz-TR; \I looked into some of the files and they highlight conflicts

07:54 Techrights-sec2; Merges are solvable through editing.

07:54 Techrights-sec2; Checking ...

07:54 Techrights-sec2; There should be markers in the file showing the overlapping / conflicting

07:54 Techrights-sec2; segments and it is a matter of choosing one or combining them and then

07:54 Techrights-sec2; deleting the markers.

07:56 schestowitz-TR; I'd rather let HEAD override everything I have locally

07:56 schestowitz-TR; without us losing the commit history

07:57 Techrights-sec2; then I would just rename the directory and then clone a fresh directory

07:57 Techrights-sec2; however I am quite ignorant of the right way to manage Git

08:07 schestowitz-TR; if at your end pull/push work OK ATM, I'll just hard-reset at my end and then I think we're good to go

08:07 schestowitz-TR; based on some page I read earlier

08:07 schestowitz-TR; ok, back on desk

08:07 schestowitz-TR; will try what I found online

08:07 Techrights-sec2; just a second, making a tarball ... ok, ready, I hope

08:11 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~/Git-TM/tuxmachines.org/tuxmachines.org$ git reset --hard origin/master

08:11 schestowitz; HEAD is now at bfcf50e initial commit of main index

08:11 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~/Git-TM/tuxmachines.org/tuxmachines.org$ git pull origin master

08:11 schestowitz; From ssh://news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org

08:11 schestowitz; * branch master -> FETCH_HEAD

08:12 schestowitz; Already up to date.

08:12 Techrights-sec2; hopefully it is from a reliable source, most tech posts aren't

08:14 schestowitz; $ git commit irc.shtml

08:14 schestowitz; [master 64b3275] merged version

08:14 schestowitz; 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)

08:14 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~/Git-TM/tuxmachines.org/tuxmachines.org/htdocs$ git push

08:14 schestowitz; Enumerating objects: 7, done.

08:14 schestowitz; Counting objects: 100% (7/7), done.

08:14 schestowitz; Delta compression using up to 4 threads

08:14 schestowitz; Compressing objects: 100% (4/4), done.

08:14 schestowitz; Writing objects: 100% (4/4), 958 bytes | 958.00 KiB/s, done.

08:14 schestowitz; Total 4 (delta 2), reused 0 (delta 0)

08:14 schestowitz; error: unable to write file ./objects/bc/87ee66621be696bb20f0775b1be7c63e53978c: Permission denied

08:14 schestowitz; To ssh://news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org

08:15 schestowitz; ! [remote rejected] master -> master (unable to migrate objects to permanent storage)

08:15 schestowitz; error: failed to push some refs to 'ssh://git@news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org'

08:19 schestowitz-TR; it seems like we're a step closer now,

08:19 schestowitz-TR; the files I have now do not have conflict

08:19 schestowitz-TR; I just want to ensure I can commit a change, the pull/push again

08:19 schestowitz-TR; and that all files on your side too are up to date, nothing rolled back

08:19 schestowitz; Enumerating objects: 7, done.

08:19 schestowitz; Counting objects: 100% (7/7), done.

08:19 schestowitz; Delta compression using up to 4 threads

08:19 schestowitz; Compressing objects: 100% (4/4), done.

08:19 schestowitz; Writing objects: 100% (4/4), 958 bytes | 958.00 KiB/s, done.

08:20 schestowitz; Total 4 (delta 2), reused 0 (delta 0)

08:20 schestowitz; To ssh://news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org

08:20 schestowitz; bfcf50e..64b3275 master -> master

08:20 schestowitz-TR; can you pull the change OK from your side? You can see if the irc page makes sense now

08:20 schestowitz-TR; it incoroporates both versions, took me a long time to work on

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08:26 schestowitz-TR; just did a pull again

08:26 schestowitz-TR; seems a lot saner on my side/end now

08:26 schestowitz-TR; I like how you hid away the iframe

08:26 schestowitz-TR; and I am far more pleased with this new version, the firse go ws a crude merge of your mockup placeholder and my copy-paste from the "old" site

08:26 schestowitz-TR; checking the tiem stamps on files I received... some are as recently as 15 mins ago

08:26 schestowitz-TR; extract, generate, update...

08:26 Techrights-sec2; checking ... yes

08:34 Techrights-sec2; m$ seems to have begun googlebombing xrandr

08:39 schestowitz-TR; I've not notice that

08:39 schestowitz-TR; odd... as I'm up to date on RSS feeds

08:39 schestowitz-TR; with rianne on phone atm

08:39 schestowitz-TR; hence distracted somewhat

08:39 schestowitz-TR; maybe michael larabel is portraying them as "helping" that too?

08:50 Techrights-sec2; m$ has a new (dis-)service called xandr, which I see is close enough

08:50 Techrights-sec2; it's like when they named their proprietary format after OpenOffice.org and

08:50 Techrights-sec2; thus hid OOo. Or when they named a version of Windows after VistA and the

08:50 Techrights-sec2; latter, disappeared off the search engine map in a matter of days despite

08:50 Techrights-sec2; being around for decade prior

08:50 schestowitz-TR; I'm sure IBM will take action ;-)

08:50 schestowitz-TR; like it did with OhOhXML

08:53 Techrights-sec2; IBM's reaction at the time was underwhelming even though they had profited

08:53 Techrights-sec2; billions off of FOSS already by that point

08:53 schestowitz-TR; towards trhe end they made a back room deal witgh IBM

08:54 schestowitz-TR; which enr15~arged marbux

08:54 schestowitz-TR; and he nearly sued them

08:54 schestowitz-TR; and they meanwhile started defaming the grassroots of ODF

09:00 Techrights-sec2; I recall also that Apple held off as long as they could on even partial ODF

09:00 Techrights-sec2; support; If I understand correctly, their main productivity software suite

09:00 Techrights-sec2; does not read or write ODF even partially but their notepad utility did eventually but gained the ability as the same time as they added support for M$

09:00 Techrights-sec2; proprietary DOCX format series

09:00 schestowitz-TR; apple 'productivity'

09:00 schestowitz-TR; rianne just lost her wifi connection for no reason

09:00 schestowitz-TR; in a home with a clueless "i" person a

09:00 schestowitz-TR; and it is hard to diagnose remoately

09:00 schestowitz-TR; says it suddenly rejects password after connection dropped

09:00 schestowitz-TR; following a physical move from one flooor to another

09:00 schestowitz-TR; not sure if ISP change something

09:00 schestowitz-TR; but other devices are still connected as before

09:01 Techrights-sec2; wifi is problematic in the best of situations, in proprietary environments

09:01 Techrights-sec2; it is at least an order of magnitude harder to work with

09:04 schestowitz-TR; that will certainly waste a lot more than the half an hour we both spent this morning on her connection

09:04 schestowitz-TR; meanwhile I think I'll add a 10-minute poll check and git pull for TM Git, just like the TR check

09:04 schestowitz-TR; it shows me up to ~4 hours of recent activity for Links and Git

09:04 schestowitz-TR; like a notifier of sorts, with expension when commits are made

09:04 schestowitz-TR; so it has proven worth of the time invested

09:04 schestowitz-TR; it also makes you my local files are synched

09:07 Techrights-sec2; that's a rather inefficient method and loads the server, albeit a small load

09:07 Techrights-sec2; better to work with the merge method as that's what Git's about

09:08 schestowitz-TR; 6 git checks per hour are a lot less than the server is, overall, dealing with

09:08 schestowitz-TR; and afaik it mostly checks IDs or checkhums of branches

09:08 schestowitz-TR; no trasmission across the network, like comparising two identical files over rsync

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09:31 schestowitz-TR; links is just ls over the network 6 times an hour

09:31 schestowitz-TR; I will push to git soon (TR, if that works)

09:31 schestowitz-TR; marius has just responded, checking....

09:31 schestowitz-TR; multitasking with handover (colleagues) so give me time... avoiding stress from overload

09:31 schestowitz-TR; still overwhelmed, but one problem doiwn: rianne is back online

09:31 Techrights-sec2; busy trying to sort git here

09:31 schestowitz-TR; handover at work nearly done

09:36 schestowitz-TR; just to be sure, as thunderbird fucked up pgp, sending an sssh public key of marius is OK, right?

09:36 schestowitz-TR; not sure what privs his account has, not that I think he would vandalise

09:36 schestowitz-TR; i also know it's him, we even pgp-encrypt our messages to each other

09:36 Techrights-sec2; public keys are fine, they are public info

09:36 Techrights-sec2; private keys should not go over e-mail

09:36 Techrights-sec2; checking ...

09:40 mjg59_; Sending a public key is fine as long as you have a mechanism to authenticate that the public key you receive is the one that was sent

09:43 schestowitz-TR; work handover done (still a distration for me and ruins my sleep pattern, not even consistent time slots!)

09:43 schestowitz-TR; OK, Git TM check works, pushing to TR git now

09:43 schestowitz-TR; 4 things done

09:43 schestowitz-TR; 4 is threshold for burnout, or forgetting what was to be done

09:43 Techrights-sec2; it's a normal shell account but could be tuned to be more limited

09:43 Techrights-sec2; wait TR and TM are separate repositories!

09:44 schestowitz-TR; yes, I know, this one does 3 checks every three minutes, showing the time of latest commit and latest Daily Links

09:44 schestowitz-TR; if new git commits have been registered, it'll shot a coloured summary of files changed and how much

09:44 schestowitz-TR; I have that on a distance monitor

09:45 schestowitz-TR; it goes into Git@TR because two of the three checks are TR-related

09:45 schestowitz-TR; it is under desktop-utils

09:53 schestowitz-TR; vi terminal (wrong window) is some face with a mouth?

09:53 schestowitz-TR; I'm going to check

09:53 schestowitz-TR; then get back to marius

09:53 schestowitz-TR; keep a copy of that for when I give rianne a cheatsheet

09:53 schestowitz-TR; I can see his key add added, I'll let him know

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10:03 Techrights-sec2; there's now a copy in her home directory

10:03 Techrights-sec2; for some reason all the home directories have the sgid bit set, is that

10:03 Techrights-sec2; an Alpine thing?

10:04 schestowitz-TR; Just caught up with all email, which is mentally exhausting

10:04 schestowitz-TR; no email till 1am now...

10:04 schestowitz-TR; I _thin_ I caught up with everything now

10:04 schestowitz-TR; past midnight last night there was a discussion in irc (maion channel) regarding alpine, security, wordpress...

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11:19 schestowitz-TR; I am compacting the checker so all the checks are shown in one line, for each 10-min window

11:19 schestowitz-TR; I made a list of todo for tuxmachines

11:19 schestowitz-TR; if you're not busy, some is for me to do, some I could use your help with

11:19 schestowitz-TR; last/who are not in alpine, so I don't know if marius is there already, don't want to check email

11:19 schestowitz-TR; throughout the day, I find it really weighs me down when I do

11:35 Techrights-sec2; I've got some errands coming up but after that will have a lot of time

11:35 Techrights-sec2; Marius has not logged in yet

11:37 schestowitz-TR; I\ll try to finish all the feeds then and then Links too

11:38 schestowitz-TR; just push a change to git that embodies one liner with dates of latest remove changes

11:38 schestowitz-TR; and summary of charges, if any

11:38 schestowitz-TR; rianne is posting in "old" tuxmachines now, no idea why wifi stopped working and is

11:38 schestowitz-TR; working again now, no rubber chicken involved

11:39 schestowitz-TR; "The Bash command line is a great way to automate tasks." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/use-bash-automate-tasks-linux

11:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-How I use Bash to automate tasks on Linux | Opensource.com

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13:07 schestowitz-TR; last night I spotted a bug

13:07 schestowitz-TR; we don't use mantis or bugzills (no need, too bloated)

13:07 schestowitz-TR; but to reproduce, update existing post

13:08 schestowitz-TR; register the changes

13:08 schestowitz-TR; seems like older content gets some "special" chars like slanted quotes manglesd

13:08 schestowitz-TR; what I think happens is, tidy puts that in some HTML-ish form in the DB

13:08 schestowitz-TR; and when it's loaded again into nano it does not use proper encoding

13:08 schestowitz-TR; but I did not check

13:08 schestowitz-TR; to reproduce or witness scroll down in:

13:08 schestowitz; https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/26/howtos_2.shtml

13:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos (UPDATEDx5)

13:09 DaemonFC; Older versions of Bugzilla weren't unpleasant to use.

13:10 DaemonFC; These latest ones pressure you into using a GitHub account to sign in.

13:10 DaemonFC; They use dark patterns to make it not immediately obvious how to use a local account.

13:11 DaemonFC; Someone needs to go back and fork one of the older releases. I think Wine still uses an older release.

13:11 schestowitz-TR; is that mozilla's version of it

13:11 schestowitz-TR; that it uses for Firefox?

13:11 schestowitz-TR; or the upstream version?

13:11 schestowitz-TR; Mozilla is compromise

13:12 schestowitz-TR; we know that much...

13:12 DaemonFC; Seriously compromised.

13:12 DaemonFC; Things started to take a serious wrong turn about 8 years ago.

13:13 DaemonFC; It's been an endless shit show ever since Baker announced the DRM plug-in.

13:14 schestowitz-TR; iut should become a verb

13:14 schestowitz-TR; "they get bakered"

13:14 DaemonFC; That was followed by the Yahoo, "Firefox Quantum" with shitty half-functional extensions, layoffs, "MDN premium", VPN advertising in the browser, Firefox Suggest keylogging, telemetry, an experiment to see if they'll switch to Bing.

13:14 DaemonFC; Not in chronological order.

13:15 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey can't go on without Firefox, though, even though Firefox development isn't good for SeaMonkey.

13:16 DaemonFC; Mozilla will collapse. It's debatable what happens to Gecko at that point.

13:16 DaemonFC; It could die or it could continue on as a Free Software project.

13:17 DaemonFC; It wouldn't be the first time it's been written off as a failure and survived.

13:17 DaemonFC; Remember all of those Microsoft trolls that were paid to attack Mozilla and boost IE?

13:18 DaemonFC; Hmm, back to bed now for a while.

13:18 schestowitz-TR; yes, I know what you mean

13:18 schestowitz-TR; but the Web itself is too bloated

13:18 schestowitz-TR; when i say the Web

13:18 schestowitz-TR; I mean two things

13:18 schestowitz-TR; and the browsers they expect

13:18 schestowitz-TR; they are not welcome to small codebases

13:18 schestowitz-TR; and you cannot change all the sites, either

13:18 DaemonFC; The engine has to be as complicated as Chrome now to render a site.

13:19 schestowitz-TR; so gecko or safari (already years behind)

13:19 schestowitz-TR; not sure how to differentiate blink from the chrom* stuff

13:19 DaemonFC; Webkit doesn't render the Web that well always.

13:19 schestowitz-TR; probably needs charing

13:19 schestowitz-TR; a picture of commonality and timeline

13:19 DaemonFC; Sites often see the UA and serve it some stripped down version.

13:19 schestowitz-TR; k html is still around

13:20 DaemonFC; KHTML was not doing well last I looked.

13:20 DaemonFC; It's maybe a notch up from Netsurf.

13:20 schestowitz-TR; konqueror has it only as an option

13:21 schestowitz-TR; i still us netsurf every day

13:21 schestowitz-TR; mostly for monitoring

13:21 DaemonFC; "KHTML is set to be removed in KDE Frameworks 6.[3] It has not had active development since 2016, just the necessary maintenance to work with updates to Frameworks 5.[1] "

13:21 schestowitz-TR; I installed bugzilla for nhs

13:21 schestowitz-TR; don't think it has any shithub

13:21 schestowitz-TR; not the upstream version anyway

13:21 schestowitz-TR; that's just probably BAKED in by Moz

13:21 DaemonFC; https://phabricator.kde.org/T11543

13:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-phabricator.kde.org | T11543 Port Konqueror away from KHTML

13:21 schestowitz-TR; mantis was nice and simpler when I used it

13:21 schestowitz-TR; London Town Hall

13:21 schestowitz-TR; they moved to shitty JIRA

13:21 schestowitz-TR; bloated and clumpsy

13:23 DaemonFC; I like SeaMonkey better but it doesn't always work on every site.

13:23 DaemonFC; For the most part it works fine.

13:24 DaemonFC; The amusing part is that according to HTML5Test even SeaMonkey gets a higher score than Safari.

13:24 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey Gecko is essentially a fork of the one used in Firefox.

13:25 DaemonFC; They keep backporting things to modernize it while keeping internal APIs around.

13:29 Techrights-sec2; I see it. Damn that was one of the bugs I fixed yesterday but it go clobbered

13:29 Techrights-sec2; by git. I'll see what I have in the backups. Or else I will have to take a

13:29 Techrights-sec2; fresh look at it.

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13:30 schestowitz-TR; I think you also fixed the part where it would not refresh the page after applying an update

13:30 Techrights-sec2; Ok, I'll check that first, it's quicker.

13:30 DaemonFC; I set the UA for Facebook to Safari on iPad.

13:31 DaemonFC; They try to load so many damned scripts in the full site that it breaks it in ways I don't want to figure out.

13:31 schestowitz-TR; I think I saw that in the conflict resolution bit after git pull #######################################

13:31 schestowitz-TR; and was likely just a one-liner

13:31 DaemonFC; The Mobile Safari version works in SeaMonkey.

13:31 schestowitz-TR; as I opened that text file and peeked

13:33 DaemonFC; I tried a bunch of user agents for obsolete browsers.

13:33 DaemonFC; Mobile Safari returns a better looking site than IE 11 for Windows 10.

13:33 Techrights-sec2; oops, ctrl-c

13:33 Techrights-sec2; update-and-refresh-from-db.sh should do the update ok

13:33 schestowitz-TR; oh, I see, that's different from tm-update-entry-sql

13:33 schestowitz-TR; which is what I used to edit "howtos_2

13:37 Techrights-sec2; the above is a wrapper for that script, tm-update-entry-sql has more options

13:37 Techrights-sec2; and can be used to delete records too

13:38 schestowitz-TR; gonna have a go at it now, with daily links round...

13:42 DaemonFC; I wonder how long Facebook will keep a site around for IE 11 and things like that.

13:42 DaemonFC; How many people could possibly be using IE 11 by now?

13:43 DaemonFC; Obviously enough they'd rather serve up a degraded site that they already have code written for than to lock them out completely, I guess.

13:44 DaemonFC; The sites on the leading edge of this bloated nasty "modern Web" crap are "social media".

13:47 schestowitz-TR; or proprietary

13:47 schestowitz-TR; "open" like openXML

13:56 schestowitz-TR; I am submitting some nodes

13:56 schestowitz-TR; and when refreshing, as part of post-registration of new pages,

13:56 schestowitz-TR; it then cautions about the file you created with odd chars in the filename

13:56 schestowitz-TR; which I suppose is intentional, but just wanted to mention that

13:57 Techrights-sec2; it's on purpose though I don't see the warning messages when refreshing

13:57 schestowitz-TR; maybe not refreshing but the step prior to it

13:58 DaemonFC; Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 11.0; WOW64) Presto/2.12 Version/12.18

13:59 DaemonFC; That one makes Facebook return a static site that doesn't even need JavaScript. Even better.

13:59 DaemonFC; I made it up. It would be "Opera 12.18 on Windows 11".

14:04 Techrights-sec2; it does complain about some HTML structures but not the character set

14:04 schestowitz-TR; I've just updated a howto to add more

14:05 schestowitz-TR; and nothing in the old text got mangled

14:05 schestowitz-TR; let me show you what refresh yields:

14:05 schestowitz; refresh-site-from-db.sh

14:05 schestowitz; Destination '/var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/27/A_Test_33.shtml' is not writable

14:05 schestowitz; 'A_Test_33' could not be written

14:05 schestowitz; Destination '/var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/27/Test_of__for_UTF8.shtml' is not writable

14:05 schestowitz; 'Test_of__for_UTF8' could not be written

14:05 schestowitz-TR; ytalk does not show the weird chars here at all, but they are in the CLI

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14:26 Techrights-sec2; As far as I can tell the UTF is process ok, the weird characters might have been

14:26 Techrights-sec2; paste errors

14:26 Techrights-sec2; thanks. looking

14:26 Techrights-sec2; I've run refresh-site-from-db.sh and get no warnings or errors

14:26 Techrights-sec2; wait. it might be a permissions problem. looking.

14:26 Techrights-sec2; ok I see some problem in tm-add-entry-sql.pl

14:26 Techrights-sec2; hmm. I've tried a lot and can't duplicate any problem and it seems that

14:26 Techrights-sec2; utf8 goes in and utf8 comes out

14:26 Techrights-sec2; I'll look at the possible permission problems now

14:26 Techrights-sec2; I've been able to add files as one user and modify them as another including

14:26 Techrights-sec2; deleting them, all via the wrapper scripts

14:26 Techrights-sec2; We'll just have to watch for a while longer

14:30 schestowitz-TR; I'll take a little break now, emptied some feeds

14:30 schestowitz-TR; almost all went without a hitch

14:30 schestowitz-TR; inc. update to add more howtos

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16:41 schestowitz-TR; rampant unfair practices" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/26/warren-padilla-demand-buttigieg-crack-down-airline-industrys-rampant-unfair | Source: Common Dreams

16:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Warren, Padilla Demand Buttigieg Crack Down on Airline Industry's 'Rampant Unfair Practices'

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17:01 schestowitz-TR; Diversion away from the urgent need to get rid of back-doored proprietary software https://www.lawfareblog.com/open-source-security-how-digital-infrastructure-built-house-cards NSA Bruce participates with CISA https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/securing-open-source-software.html

17:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lawfareblog.com | Open-Source Security: How Digital Infrastructure Is Built on a House of Cards - Lawfare

17:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Securing Open-Source Software - Schneier on Security

17:02 Techrights-sec2; it's feasible to go from simplified HTML to Gemtext but going the other way

17:02 Techrights-sec2; would enable only the same level of markup as is possible with Gemini, I'm

17:02 Techrights-sec2; thinking specifically about inline hyperlinks

17:04 schestowitz-TR; yes, I was gonna say that too

17:04 schestowitz-TR; with normalised html (tidy) detecting the template/pattern can make gemtext conversion more consistent and predictable

17:04 schestowitz-TR; as news slowed doen in the past 10-16 years the clusters become more common

17:04 schestowitz-TR; as singular pages, for one article, are only for important news

17:04 schestowitz-TR; NSA Bruce will go into security leftovers witd "Ed:" next to it

17:06 schestowitz-TR; 100 whales die on shore. NSA Bruce comes along, calls it a catastrophe. It smells bad. Let's find a way to make it smell less bad...

17:21 Techrights-sec2; bruce has more or less retired since around the snowden papers IIRC

17:21 Techrights-sec2; since then he is mostly quite or on occasion acts as apologist

17:22 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> With Football Stadiums About to Become Packed Again, Highest Daily COVID-19 Death Toll in More Than 3 Months https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/27/worst-summer/

17:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive With Football Stadiums About to Become Packed Again, Highest Daily COVID-19 Death Toll in More Than 3 Months

17:26 schestowitz; I've just added an update to http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/26/OpenMandriva_Lx_ROME_Rolling_Technical_Preview.shtml

17:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | OpenMandriva Lx ROME (Rolling) Technical Preview

17:27 schestowitz; it all went well, chars all in tact

17:27 schestowitz; I had to run refresh manually after the update

17:29 Techrights-sec2; so the wrapper script failed somehow?

17:29 Techrights-sec2; pl is the bare bones, sh takes care of all the updates

17:29 schestowitz-TR; maybe I just use the wrong (old) command

17:29 schestowitz-TR; tm-update-entry

17:29 schestowitz-TR; next time I will use the other one

17:29 schestowitz-TR; https://truthout.org/articles/new-york-post-announces-covid-is-over-its-still-running-rampant/

17:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | New York Post Announces COVID Is Over. It's Still Running Rampant.

17:38 schestowitz-TR; darwin award=culling the ignorant

17:38 schestowitz-TR; darwin=survival of the fitting

17:38 schestowitz-TR; covid=death of the old

17:38 schestowitz-TR; covid 19 policy=death of the old, owing to the ignorant

17:38 schestowitz-TR; brexitnaro=the ignorant and the lar in pos of power

17:38 schestowitz-TR; 200k brits dead, but repeat afetr me

17:38 schestowitz-TR; we have freedom, freedom day for boris

17:38 schestowitz-TR; and 1100+ died this past week alone

17:38 schestowitz-TR; when we went back to the gym in july 2020 we had ~500 new cases a day, uk-wide

17:38 schestowitz-TR; and everyone stil wore a mask

17:38 schestowitz-TR; this isn't "Freedom". This is bullshit.

17:38 schestowitz-TR; /sfitting/fittest/

17:38 schestowitz-TR; after 21 years, soon we have 9/11 memorials

17:38 schestowitz-TR; nothing annual regarding spanish flu, or any of the big killers

17:38 schestowitz-TR; not much political gain

17:38 schestowitz-TR; like pentagon graft

17:38 schestowitz-TR; spanish flu death toll similar to ww2, and it killed the young too

17:39 Techrights-sec2; or those that have to cross paths with the ignorant :/

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17:41 schestowitz-TR; I did not word it to suggest the stupid die

17:41 schestowitz-TR; the stupid around them kill then

17:41 schestowitz-TR; and concernd parrents who raisded dumb kids are more vulnerable to carriers/vessels

17:41 schestowitz-TR; for now, the cashiers still stand behind polastic screens

17:41 schestowitz-TR; but droplets will keep infecting millions of Brits PER WEEK

17:41 schestowitz-TR; until everyone has had a chance to get ill several times, just like most people

17:41 schestowitz-TR; got those 35 USD doses several times

17:42 schestowitz-TR; "Research published Tuesday warns that "forever chemicals" used in everyday products could lead to tens of billions of dollars in medical costs" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/26/study-ties-forever-chemicals-exposure-billions-us-health-costs | Source: Common Dreams

17:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Study Ties 'Forever Chemicals' Exposure to Billions in US Health Costs

17:42 Techrights-sec2; yes they infect themselve but they also spread it around their physical

17:42 Techrights-sec2; area and they don't just keep to themselves

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17:48 schestowitz-TR; capitalism and collective responsibility work in the context of collective punishment, not responsibility

17:48 schestowitz-TR; and risks are outsourced

17:48 schestowitz-TR; we tried in march 2020

17:48 schestowitz-TR; then again lockdowns in 2021 so we came back to the gym

17:48 schestowitz-TR; then came freedom day

17:48 schestowitz-TR; we quit the gym

17:48 schestowitz-TR; they sent us request to fill out a survey yesterday

17:48 schestowitz-TR; I reckon they lost a ton of members

17:48 schestowitz-TR; they had already lost 40%, they told me

17:48 schestowitz-TR; they brought in total idiots with FB marketing campaign (young people who don't keep distance and shout)

17:48 schestowitz-TR; and the original member, older quiet people, left

17:48 schestowitz-TR; one trend correlates with the other

17:48 schestowitz-TR; we still have two massage vouchers, but reluctant to even use them

17:48 schestowitz-TR; I reckon by now they have the demography of Malaga in summertime

17:48 schestowitz-TR; I had gone to that gym since 2000

17:48 schestowitz-TR; it's where we had that tuixmachines 15-year party

17:48 schestowitz-TR; that was months before covid-19 broke out in wuhan

17:50 schestowitz-TR; re TM, I am still in the process of figuring how descriptions and how to repurpose them, e.g. key sentence for singles

17:50 schestowitz-TR; and for clusters a short overview, then copied across to headings or editorial comments in TR

17:50 schestowitz-TR; sometimes it's hard to find a description as umbrella for all links

17:52 Techrights-sec2; "a round up of today's links" ...

17:53 schestowitz-TR; I am thinking more specific, see what I added 30 secs ago

17:53 schestowitz-TR; for singles it's easier, either editorial remark of key sentence

17:53 schestowitz-TR; making an editorial remark that covers 5 links "all in one" is harder

18:00 schestowitz-TR; looking at quiterss, you've neatly resolved the problem associated with long headlines and narrow screen

18:00 schestowitz-TR; and below left-hand pane it flows into the empty space below if the end of it is reached

18:00 schestowitz-TR; so it maximiases its use of screen space

18:00 schestowitz-TR; what will always matter most is the content

18:00 schestowitz-TR; but this layout and performance (speed) do it more justice

18:00 schestowitz-TR; LinuxToday got very slow and bloated some years ago

18:00 schestowitz-TR; very awful CMS they made/picked

18:00 schestowitz-TR; can take 5+ secs to load a page with justone para and one link

18:00 schestowitz-TR; they must have taken those hipsters as devs who think I want to download their fonts to get some link

18:00 schestowitz-TR; I worked with such webdevs 7 or so years ago and discovered sending proprietary fonts to visitorss

18:00 schestowitz-TR; had become a "thing"

18:00 schestowitz-TR; and immediately advised against that

18:07 schestowitz-TR; they have artsy skills

18:07 schestowitz-TR; usually also arts degrees

18:07 schestowitz-TR; and some of them use expensive prporietary tools, from Adove or whatnot

18:07 schestowitz-TR; so it's not entirely their fault

18:07 schestowitz-TR; it's the fault also of developers who made these tools

18:07 schestowitz-TR; flash, flex, electron, vue.js etc.

18:35 schestowitz-TR; yeah, that too

18:35 schestowitz-TR; Phoronix sponsored by AMD gifts. AMD is a foremost proponent of Microsoft lockdown at chip level. So I view Phoronix's concerns as an expression of guilt, partly. He also took some 'freebies' from Microsoft.

18:35 schestowitz-TR; ICBM has long loved TPM/Palladium (just as it loved war, it's a prime source of income). So don't expect Red Hat to put up any meaningful resistance to what Microsoft does to de facto ban Linux. Heck, Red Hat was the employer of the "engineer" (geneticist) who put the Trojan horse there in the first place, conflating control by Microsoft with "security".

18:36 britney; I heard that it would be a good idea to learn javascript or python to have a scripting language under your belt

18:36 schestowitz-TR; any links or ideas o thoughts would help improve a post about this (later)

18:36 schestowitz-TR; still studying a bit

18:36 schestowitz-TR; but it's a case that shows we were right all along

18:36 schestowitz-TR; britney: depends what for

18:38 Techrights-sec2; https://www.theregister.com/2002/06/25/ms_to_eradicate_gpl_hence/

18:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | MS to eradicate GPL, hence Linux The Register

18:38 Techrights-sec2; https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-1.0.html

18:38 Techrights-sec2; https://www.technologyreview.com/2002/10/25/234673/the-palladium-paradox/

18:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cl.cam.ac.uk | Trusted Computing FAQ TCPA / Palladium / NGCSB / TCG

18:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.technologyreview.com | The Palladium Paradox | MIT Technology Review

18:40 schestowitz-TR; added as post refs to draft, thanks

18:40 schestowitz-TR; for the latest I just have two URLs, one of which a WSL apologist

18:40 schestowitz-TR; who thinks microsoft entering mesa is "good"

18:40 schestowitz-TR; (it's for WSL)

18:43 Techrights-sec2; and azure is declining still

18:43 Techrights-sec2; I presume the firings are 1) still going on and 2) still being covered up

18:44 schestowitz-TR; you have to have full-time employees for that to count as layoffs and not "end of contract" ^_^

18:44 schestowitz-TR; I was told a month ago about hiring freeze in the company

18:44 schestowitz-TR; now results are "lower than expected" (blame the currency) in spite of massive bailouts (graft)

18:50 schestowitz-TR; headlines with "?" in them

18:50 schestowitz-TR; the browser can sometimes cope

18:50 schestowitz-TR; but it throws some off the scene

18:50 schestowitz-TR; so impotant to cull "?" in titles

18:50 schestowitz-TR; for the URL part

18:50 schestowitz-TR; latest story in new TM

18:54 Techrights-sec2; the %3F is necessart because questionmarks are not allowed in URLs

18:55 schestowitz-TR; yes, but the URL contains a questioin mark

18:55 schestowitz-TR; some browsers overcome it by rewriting the URL

18:55 schestowitz-TR; curl/wget do not

18:55 Techrights-sec2; it can probably be handled better, checking

18:55 schestowitz-TR; that's how I immediately noticed it

18:56 schestowitz-TR; I reckon many CMS projects, wordpress included, wrote many regex stuff to convert a title into a Web-valid slug

18:56 schestowitz-TR; in multiple lanaguages

18:56 schestowitz-TR; but it seems like finding an existing implementation would take as long as writing one

18:57 schestowitz-TR; unless you resort to plagiarism with ChokePilot

18:57 schestowitz-TR; and call it "HEY HI"

18:57 Techrights-sec2; the XML (RSS) feed needs to have ? escaped

19:12 Techrights-sec2; can you try now?

19:12 schestowitz-TR; I am going to try a headline with "?" at the end

19:13 schestowitz-TR; quiterss givs 404 for that story

19:22 schestowitz-TR; yes, this time the URL showed up with %3F

19:22 schestowitz-TR; and either you amended the last one or an update system-wide rewrote the url for that one

19:22 schestowitz-TR; so that's two which are corrected nows

19:22 schestowitz-TR; one rtroactively

19:28 Techrights-sec2; yes I corrected it, that was one of the changes which regressed in yesterday's

19:28 Techrights-sec2; loss of files

19:28 Techrights-sec2; also Git still doesn't like to update in to the DocumentRoot, but that's

19:28 Techrights-sec2; how Git is. It's not designed or intended for read-only archives

19:28 Techrights-sec2; The database holds the correct URL internally and then any time the

19:28 Techrights-sec2; feeds or lists are regenerated, the newest parsing and templates are used

19:31 schestowitz-TR; losing work can be exceptionally demoralising

19:31 schestowitz-TR; I hope you dfid not lose mouch or that you manged to recover the lion's share from backup or memory

19:31 schestowitz-TR; I did a full system backup over the weekend

19:31 schestowitz-TR; I feel a lot more relaxed and it also frees up disk space

19:31 schestowitz-TR; to moist people computers are stressful

19:31 schestowitz-TR; rianne was very stressed this morning over the wifi thing

19:31 schestowitz-TR; and went to the kitchen to try to forget about it

19:31 schestowitz-TR; it just "magically" worked later

19:31 schestowitz-TR; we use #tuxmachines IRC to coordinate a bit

19:37 Techrights-sec2; most of it was recovered and in principle none was really lost its just that

19:37 Techrights-sec2; it was completely unclear how it gets so out of sync.

19:37 Techrights-sec2; For example a few minutes ago it would not pull the latest and then after a

19:37 Techrights-sec2; proprietary wifi is a mess; yes but some of it is standardized proprietary

19:37 Techrights-sec2; too many wifi boxes are stolen linux

19:38 schestowitz-TR; at some level, (spec) wifi is propriuetary

19:38 schestowitz-TR; I think old and current/new/future are NDAd and there are patenbts

19:38 schestowitz-TR; same for bluetooth and xG

19:38 schestowitz-TR; it's all legal barbwires

19:38 schestowitz-TR; "pay to play" or stockpile patents for the "pool"

19:38 Techrights-sec2; again, I'll repeat for emphasis, too many wifi boxes are stolen linux

19:38 Techrights-sec2; LF is the reason for that

19:40 schestowitz-TR; or rather, LF exists to help those who are doing this and keep Torvalds under control

19:40 schestowitz-TR; maybe not originally, but it got infiltrated more and more

19:40 schestowitz-TR; soon they'll life seat price and limits on numbers

19:40 schestowitz-TR; and Mcirosoft (or "loves Linux" fame) can buy half a dozen seats

19:40 schestowitz-TR; and then use that money to sponsor SJVN articles about how Microsoft BECAME Linux (

19:40 schestowitz-TR; just ignore all that "can't boot Linux" faff)

19:47 schestowitz-TR; rianne has just posted 4 links from yorkshire

19:47 schestowitz-TR; when she gets back I'll show her how to post and edit in the new site

19:47 schestowitz-TR; for a period of time we can keep both updated in tandem and give people a chance to give feedback

19:47 schestowitz-TR; before locking down old, reverting back to 27/6 snapshot

19:47 schestowitz-TR; and passing across the "missing" nodes

19:47 schestowitz-TR; going to check log sizes in "new"

19:47 schestowitz-TR; sooner or later some bots and spiders will start "humping" it

19:47 schestowitz-TR; all logs combined 30k

19:47 schestowitz-TR; 12k for access logs

19:47 schestowitz-TR; lines that is

19:47 schestowitz-TR; let's check ssh access logs

19:47 schestowitz-TR; if alpine makes these easy to find

19:47 Techrights-sec2; it's already under various probes and attacks we probably ought to have

19:47 Techrights-sec2; SSHGuard running on it for some of the clumsier attackers but many attacks

19:47 Techrights-sec2; seem to be highly distributed and thus immune to those kinds of mitigations

19:48 schestowitz-TR; it is in messages, flagged sshd or auth.info

19:50 schestowitz; tuxmachines-new:/var/log# tail messages.0 | grep auth.info | wc -l

19:50 schestowitz; tuxmachines-new:/var/log# tail messages | grep auth.info | wc -l

19:50 schestowitz; tuxmachines-new:/var/log#

19:52 schestowitz-TR; we should contact BillBC, search for some of these IPs being in Russia and China

19:52 schestowitz-TR; and say we're under attack from BRICS

19:52 schestowitz-TR; an d by attack we mean "breeach" :-)

19:52 schestowitz-TR; Those f*inng RUSHANS

19:53 Techrights-sec2; awk '$6~/^sshd/' /var/log/messages

19:53 Techrights-sec2; the best thing to quiet the logs is to turn off password access

19:53 Techrights-sec2; $ awk '$6~/^sshd/' /var/log/messages | wc -l

19:53 Techrights-sec2; I bet most of those IP address scan back to Windoze boxes

19:53 Techrights-sec2; or else to compromised hosting services like Google or AWS

19:54 schestowitz-TR; some of them are compromised by the "CLIENTS" trhemselves

19:54 schestowitz-TR; like idiots who run pcore on full plast

19:54 schestowitz-TR; they did this to us

19:54 schestowitz-TR; I complained to AWS

19:54 schestowitz-TR; took them like a whole day to responmd

19:54 schestowitz-TR; these sorts of attacks affected some clients at work too

19:54 schestowitz-TR; to the point of just banning anything with pcore

19:55 Techrights-sec2; that quickly?

19:55 schestowitz-TR; let me find the post

19:55 schestowitz-TR; (last night our capsule got over 55k page requests... took me a while to see and say, "ah, that's why my connection is a snail today")

19:56 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/06/28/aws-ddos/

19:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Amazon AWS Used for DDOS Attacks Against My Web Sites, Amazon Takes 14 Hours to Reply But Not Take Action (Updatedx5)

19:56 schestowitz; remember clown means many IPs, legally

20:01 schestowitz-TR; in the above, today 90% of the log entries are ssh

20:01 schestowitz-TR; days ago it was 70%

20:01 schestowitz-TR; based on the tail alone

20:01 schestowitz-TR; looking at ddos watcher, gemini will be at over 30k today

20:01 schestowitz-TR; I'm going to record soon or just write an aritlce

20:01 schestowitz-TR; might wnat to shave before recording

20:01 schestowitz-TR; otherwise I'll be all frown like Microbell

20:35 schestowitz-TR; A Year Ago Brexitnaro/Borisnaro Declared Freedom Day. Now, Almost 50,000 Additional Deaths Later, ~1100 Die in a Week in England Alone (in Summer). https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/27/a-year-ago-brexitnaroborisnaro-declared-freedom-day-now-almost-50000-additional-deaths-later-1100-die-in-a-week-in-england-alone-in-summer/

20:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive A Year Ago Brexitnaro/Borisnaro Declared Freedom Day. Now, Almost 50,000 Additional Deaths Later, ~1100 Die in a Week in England Alone (in Summer).

20:36 schestowitz-TR; by the way, pandemic has a certain definition

20:36 schestowitz-TR; that def is still applicable

20:36 schestowitz-TR; endemic is if it's limited to one region or country, not global

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