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04:52 schestowitz-TR; I have added 5 files from fig.. to git
04:52 schestowitz-TR; I think we are in good terems again
04:52 schestowitz-TR; but he can be unpredictable
06:54 Techrights-sec; maybe relevant: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreign-corrupt-practices-bribery-whistleblower-contractin
06:54 Techrights-sec; g
06:54 Techrights-sec; s/knew to/new to/
06:54 Techrights-sec; "The actual technical progress made since then is nearly zero." by whom and
06:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Microsoft is tied to hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign bribes, whistleblower alleges - The Verge
06:54 Techrights-sec; which turning point?
06:55 schestowitz-TR; I wanted to say last night,m
06:55 schestowitz-TR; could you pick up as many links as possible inc. the Verge one?
06:55 schestowitz-TR; I catalogue these under tuxmachines
06:55 schestowitz-TR; and will be linking to these a lot in the future
06:55 schestowitz-TR; I corrected the typo
06:55 schestowitz-TR; I'm not sure if you ask me to clarify further on progress
06:56 schestowitz-TR; draft
06:56 Techrights-sec; Yes that assertion needs clarification as to which progress and who should have
06:56 Techrights-sec; been making it.
06:57 schestowitz-TR; maybe you can put that in your own words for me to quote?
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07:13 Techrights-sec; Note, the above link only addresses /foreign/ bribes. Domestic bribery is
07:13 Techrights-sec; probably off the scale
07:13 Techrights-sec; I have not seen the video so I cannot summarize
07:14 schestowitz-TR; the reports likely allude to a particular law, which says "foreign"
07:14 schestowitz-TR; so that may not preclude domestic
07:14 schestowitz-TR; we covered this in relation to EPO
07:18 Techrights-sec; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson%27s_War:_The_Extraordinary_Story_of_the_Largest_Covert_Operation_in_History
07:18 Techrights-sec; covers some of the methods and motives likely used for the /foreign/ bribery
07:18 Techrights-sec; ^book, /not/ movie
07:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Charlie Wilson's War: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History - Wikipedia
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09:17 Techrights-sec; The shortcomings in TheVerge's article include downplaying the extent of the
09:17 Techrights-sec; corruption. Also although Hungary is mentioned, Russia and Pakistan are omittomitted.
09:18 schestowitz-TR; if it were up to me, TheVerge would be excludeed like The Guardian. Both are in Bill's bag.
09:19 schestowitz-TR; having said that, I want to '\bag' as many narticles about this as possible
09:19 schestowitz-TR; those will be handy for years to come
09:19 schestowitz-TR; as the source is not just an insider
09:19 schestowitz-TR; but a high-level one
09:19 schestowitz-TR; and the way Microsoft responded
09:19 schestowitz-TR; only vidicates him
09:19 schestowitz-TR; so if you can find more or better articles, I'll add to TM
09:19 schestowitz-TR; it also helps me call Microsofters what they are
09:19 schestowitz-TR; criminalks
09:21 Techrights-sec; yes, without bribery and other illegal more cult-like behaviors M$ products
09:21 Techrights-sec; would have disappeared from the market long ago despit the pentagon's ongoing
09:21 Techrights-sec; overt and covert support
09:35 Techrights-sec; looking, but unlikely to find others
09:35 Techrights-sec; theverge's article is rather soft on M$
09:35 Techrights-sec; https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/microsoft-paying-hundreds-of-millions-in-bribes-claims-whistleblower-1220326
09:35 Techrights-sec; 00217_1.html
09:35 Techrights-sec; https://www.ibtimes.com/whistleblower-says-he-lost-job-microsoft-exposing-200-million-foreign-bribe-scandal-3451341
09:35 Techrights-sec; The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA) compartmentalizes the domestic bribery
09:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.business-standard.com | Company News: Company Business News, Indian Companies News, Company Analysis, Corporate Industry News
09:35 Techrights-sec; and corruption and allows full distraction from it.
09:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ibtimes.com | Whistleblower Says He Lost Job At Microsoft For Exposing $200 Million Foreign Bribe Scandal
09:35 Techrights-sec; https://www.thurrott.com/microsoft/264805/microsoft-accused-of-violating-the-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-again
09:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/microsoft/264805/microsoft-accused-of-violating-the-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-again )
09:35 Techrights-sec; "...again"
09:35 Techrights-sec; https://www.lioness.co/post/microsoft-is-using-illegal-bribes-in-the-middle-east-and-africa-why-is-the-sec-turning-a-blind-eye
09:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lioness.co | Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and Africa. Why is the SEC turning a blind eye?
09:35 Techrights-sec; Elabd focuses on the middle East and Africa but EU, Russia, and North America
09:35 Techrights-sec; are not without prodigious amounts of bribery and corruption in regards to
09:35 Techrights-sec; m$ deployments. The Better Business Bureau, along with the SE and DOJ, side with
09:35 Techrights-sec; M$ consistently instead of solving problems.
09:39 schestowitz; https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/microsoft-paying-hundreds-of-millions-in-bribes-claims-whistleblower-122032600217_1.html
09:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.business-standard.com | Microsoft paying hundreds of millions in bribes, claims whistleblower | Business Standard News
09:42 schestowitz-TR; I have just added these with caveats.
09:42 schestowitz-TR; Those 3 links are better than nothing
09:42 schestowitz-TR; in short, I'd say
09:42 schestowitz-TR; don't blame the messsenger for how the media twiists things
09:42 schestowitz-TR; he saw accounts in particular regisons, where he worked
09:42 schestowitz-TR; the media might say things like, "you cannot know about other place"
09:42 schestowitz-TR; "WHERE SI THE RPOOFF!!"
09:43 Techrights-sec; Yes, and then once proof is provided, they respond by trying to dismiss the
09:43 Techrights-sec; proof because of its 'age'.
09:43 schestowitz-TR; this article is important because it discredit thew "age" comeback lines
09:43 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft loves LINUX, y'know?
09:45 Techrights-sec; However a lot of EU countries have very high levels of corruption but go to
09:45 Techrights-sec; great lengths to fill out the right paperwork to hid it.
09:45 Techrights-sec; Yes, a leopard can
09:45 Techrights-sec; can't cchange its spots
09:59 Techrights-sec; tldr; the problem is not limited to Russia, Middle East, and Africa
09:59 Techrights-sec; but also, I strongly suspect, permeating all of the EU and Europe
09:59 Techrights-sec; Furthermore while coming forward is a good thing, Elabd did actually work
09:59 Techrights-sec; /for/ M$ and was used to spread its crap throughout large parts of the world.
09:59 schestowitz-TR; like stamos and facebook
09:59 schestowitz-TR; or that FB whistgleblower with the european name
09:59 schestowitz-TR; better to take what we have from them
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11:42 Techrights-sec; ack
11:42 Techrights-sec; About the M$ articles, the question remains unanswered as to why the
11:42 Techrights-sec; SEC and DOJ are both continuing to turn a blind eye to M$ improprieties?
11:42 schestowitz-TR; just got a new laptop, what OS to put on it?
11:49 Techrights-sec; openbsd? devuan?
11:50 schestowitz-TR; i worry openbsd would not be ok with things like webcam and some file systems
11:50 schestowitz-TR; seems ok for a laptop not so primary
12:04 Techrights-sec; WHen it works at all it tends to work very well.
12:04 schestowitz-TR; what about fsf-<approved ones?
12:07 Techrights-sec; Devuan?
12:07 Techrights-sec; Gnewsense i defunct
12:07 Techrights-sec; Guix, trisquel, or PureOS might be worth looking into, but Devuan would be
12:07 Techrights-sec; most familiar if you are comforatble with Debian. It's more free than
12:07 Techrights-sec; Debian because of the2~removal of Systemd
12:08 schestowitz-TR; thanks, i will consider getting devuan iso
12:08 schestowitz-TR; taking lalllaptops downstarirs now
12:08 schestowitz-TR; please let's now talk in ytalk while I move
12:08 schestowitz-TR; as it adds to stress :-)
12:08 schestowitz-TR; bbiab
12:08 schestowitz-TR; *let not talk
12:09 Techrights-sec; ack
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14:13 schestowitz-TR; thanks, i will consider getting devuan iso
14:13 schestowitz-TR; taking lalllaptops downstarirs now
14:13 schestowitz-TR; please let's now talk in ytalk while I move
14:13 schestowitz-TR; as it adds to stress :-)
14:13 schestowitz-TR; bbiab
14:13 schestowitz-TR; *let not talk
14:13 schestowitz-TR; done moving
14:13 schestowitz-TR; no damage
14:13 schestowitz-TR; about to uynpack the laptop
14:13 schestowitz-TR; you tell me
14:14 schestowitz-TR; my screen that I type into is 90 deg diagonal
14:14 schestowitz-TR; thanks, i will consider getting devuan iso
14:14 schestowitz-TR; taking lalllaptops downstarirs now
14:14 schestowitz-TR; please let's now talk in ytalk while I move
14:14 schestowitz-TR; as it adds to stress :-)
14:14 schestowitz-TR; bbiab
14:14 schestowitz-TR; *let not talk
14:14 schestowitz-TR; done moving
14:14 schestowitz-TR; no damage
14:14 schestowitz-TR; about to uynpack the laptop
14:14 schestowitz-TR; you tell me
14:14 Techrights-sec; ack
14:14 Techrights-sec; excellent
14:14 Techrights-sec; which distro?
14:14 schestowitz-TR; my screen that I type into is 90 deg diagonal
14:14 Techrights-sec; devuan is what I would recommend if using GNU/Linux instead of OpenBSD
14:36 schestowitz-TR; all 9 screens on now
14:37 Techrights-sec; how many watts for the whole menagerie?
14:41 schestowitz-TR; so far the howtos I am seeing, the official ones,
14:41 schestowitz-TR; specify an assumption I have an optical drive
14:41 schestowitz-TR; I am looking for a USB option
14:54 schestowitz-TR; never mind, I think the CLI installer can cope OK with UPS
14:54 schestowitz-TR; Assuming this laptop can
14:55 Techrights-sec; https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan#https-mirrors
14:55 Techrights-sec; /devuan/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_netinstall.iso
14:55 Techrights-sec; If you stay with Chimaera then use tasksel to add the desktop items,
14:55 Techrights-sec; if not, then uncheck all the tasksel options do the installation and then
14:55 Techrights-sec; upgrade to daedalus before using tasksel
14:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.devuan.org | Get Devuan | Devuan GNU+Linux Free Operating System
14:58 schestowitz-TR; wait, I got the USB boot menu
14:58 schestowitz-TR; now I need to know which ISO to usew
14:58 schestowitz-TR; which is the latest stabkle one?
14:58 schestowitz-TR; let's worry about minor details later
14:58 schestowitz-TR; I will need to get networking going with it
14:58 schestowitz-TR; from the docs I see strict free software is expert option
14:58 Techrights-sec; latest stable is 4 (chimaera)
14:58 Techrights-sec; 5 (daedalus) is under development
15:35 schestowitz-TR; later I will do a newerr full backup of the pi
15:35 schestowitz-TR; dm,aesg says it uses d/dev/sda
15:35 schestowitz-TR; ok, with lsblk I mcan assure myself it is the right one
15:35 schestowitz-TR; the nlocal disk is "nvme something"
15:35 schestowitz-TR; download done
15:35 schestowitz-TR; will do dd if=net.....iso of=/dev/sda bs=1M && sync
15:35 schestowitz-TR; running it now
15:35 schestowitz-TR; it is only about 300mb
15:35 schestowitz-TR; i installed debian the same way, I then select lots of things to get over the network
15:35 schestowitz-TR; ok done
15:35 schestowitz-TR; uefi is so bonkers
15:35 schestowitz-TR; this is a new PC
15:35 schestowitz-TR; and they make nnew hoops for you too jump through
15:35 schestowitz-TR; enter this 4-dgit code, then enter,
15:35 schestowitz-TR; LOL, FU, HP
15:35 schestowitz-TR; installing now, copying the files
15:35 Techrights-sec; yes, dmesg is importnat since devices can change
15:35 Techrights-sec; it depends.=, if you are booting from the microSD card then sda will be available
15:35 Techrights-sec; ack
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16:08 schestowitz-TR; is regulatory.db important for wifi?
16:08 schestowitz-TR; it's non-free firmware
16:08 schestowitz-TR; seems like wifi will need that
16:08 schestowitz-TR; ping?
16:08 schestowitz-TR; maybe resizing made your buffer not visible?
16:14 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure. I've not encountered it before, at least consciously.
16:14 Techrights-sec; There are some settings which needto take place to limit frequencies
16:14 Techrights-sec; used so that the wifi is legal in each country.
16:14 Techrights-sec; yes, :(
16:14 Techrights-sec; that's the hardware unfortunately
16:14 Techrights-sec; Ive not encountered blobs lately
16:14 Techrights-sec; what specific wifi hardware is in the machine?
16:14 Techrights-sec; does it show up in dmesg?
16:14 schestowitz-TR; OK, It seems like you were afk and ytalk was not at fault
16:14 schestowitz-TR; So Intired devuan from usb
16:14 schestowitz-TR; it needs some blob for wifi
16:14 schestowitz-TR; I insert another usb stick
16:14 schestowitz-TR; it seems to ignore it and moved on
16:14 schestowitz-TR; got debian 11 mini.sio
16:14 schestowitz-TR; Same issueusually when installing from cd-rom it would check the usb
16:14 schestowitz-TR; this time usb being the installer as well might cause
16:14 schestowitz-TR; conflict
16:14 schestowitz-TR; and this is a network install
16:14 schestowitz-TR; so no network, no install
16:14 schestowitz-TR; am GETTING lmde 5 atm
16:26 Techrights-sec; what model of wifi and/or what model of laptop?
16:26 Techrights-sec; these instructinos ought to apply to both:
16:26 Techrights-sec; https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware
16:26 Techrights-sec; ^oop, just a sec
16:26 Techrights-sec; https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
16:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.debian.org | DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware - Debian Wiki
16:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.debian.org | WiFi - Debian Wiki
16:28 schestowitz-TR; devuan wanted some db file
16:28 schestowitz-TR; debian wanted something else
16:28 schestowitz-TR; I supplied it on a second usb device
16:28 schestowitz-TR; but could not have both install usb and second one inserted at the same timre
16:28 schestowitz-TR; but this is now imho was causded the issue
16:28 schestowitz-TR; on my machine and rianne supplying the blog from usb worked ok
16:28 schestowitz-TR; that was debian 10 on cdrom or maybe dvd
16:28 Techrights-sec; great
16:28 Techrights-sec; oops
16:29 schestowitz-TR; given the sgre of lmde (just ages) and given that it's a nbnew distro
16:29 schestowitz-TR; to me (I used to live cd in the past several times), maybe I'll give
16:29 schestowitz-TR; that a spin
16:29 schestowitz-TR; if I don't like it, I will replace before migrating any files
16:30 Techrights-sec; at worst there could be LMDE with the propietary binaries
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18:52 schestowitz-TR; based on lots of research and forum posts, this card is notorious becaue
18:52 schestowitz-TR; of the linux drivers
18:52 schestowitz-TR; I will try kde neon in a bit
18:52 schestowitz-TR; some people reported that ubutnu base may have some woirkaround or fix
18:53 schestowitz-TR; I'd hate to use ethernet, but this laptop always stays here, so it's not
18:53 schestowitz-TR; yet out of the querstiuon
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19:01 Techrights-sec; ack
19:01 Techrights-sec; ethernet is not so bad, maybe that can be for the installation and
19:01 Techrights-sec; during the time it takes to figure out the proprietary firmware for
19:01 Techrights-sec; the wifi.
19:03 schestowitz-TR; i got this machine for the 1tb of storage
19:03 schestowitz-TR; it's not fast, two cores, 4gb of ram
19:03 schestowitz-TR; nut I offload tasks regardlless
19:03 schestowitz-TR; I just need a reliable box for the datas
19:03 schestowitz-TR; this is is refurbished
19:03 schestowitz-TR; but looks 100% new
19:03 schestowitz-TR; with all the wrappings and all
19:03 schestowitz-TR; so themagnetic disk might last 5+ years
19:03 schestowitz-TR; I am booting kde neon atm
19:03 Techrights-sec; nice
19:06 schestowitz-TR; YUUUUUUUUSSS!!!!!
19:06 schestowitz-TR; KING. KDE. Neon.
19:06 schestowitz-TR; Thanks Jriddell
19:06 schestowitz-TR; and they made kde look fantastiuc out of the box
19:06 schestowitz-TR; OK, I will copy the data across tonight
19:06 schestowitz-TR; tomorrow it's that annoying patent BS video day
19:06 schestowitz-TR; you sent me some 'teaser' in daily links today
19:06 schestowitz-TR; do you want a photo of the new 'office'?
19:06 Techrights-sec; !
19:06 Techrights-sec; :)ack
19:06 Techrights-sec; ack
19:06 Techrights-sec; ok
19:06 Techrights-sec; 9 screens!
19:10 Techrights-sec; sound a little like a national level NOC I once viewed and almost decided to
19:10 Techrights-sec; work at
19:10 schestowitz-TR; rianne has 2 screens as well, and 2 machines
19:10 schestowitz-TR; this is what we do for a living, so...
19:11 schestowitz-TR; noc is ou job and lots of teamwork
19:11 schestowitz-TR; rianne has one vpn machine one foor the rest, non-monitoring
19:11 schestowitz-TR; [ppi is file server
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20:37 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/as1001/status/1507791889885540355#m
20:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Anne (@as1001): "techrights.org/2013/06/07/au" | nitter
20:37 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/orwell2022/status/1507680512328011780#m
20:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Orwell2024 (@orwell2022): "9/ Is it an exception? No. Here is another one which is more and more enjoying their legal immunity options. Skandal after scandal. If bending / breaking law is legal, why not use it to make more and more money? And for personal gain. http://techrights.org/2015/02/11/zeljko-topic-kopcic-and-sanader/" | nitter
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