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beginning of new day, July 25

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9 AM, July 25

09:19 schestowitz-TR; organised a ton of data, made good backup

09:19 schestowitz-TR; didn't post many articles, but that's a lot less important in the grand scheme of things

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10 AM, July 25

10:04 schestowitz-TR; the way I see it, those 2-3 hours spent last night is belated debt redemption

10:04 schestowitz-TR; as I really should have uploade them all in the first place but was tight in time or simply lazy

10:04 schestowitz-TR; I thought about doing a video on this whole affair, but as the outcome is not good

10:04 schestowitz-TR; I'd rather not

10:51 Techrights-sec2; probably not worth a video, not a good topic


noon, July 25

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1 PM, July 25

13:00 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> UK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/25/not-enough-tests/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/25/not-enough-tests/

13:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive UK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows)

13:01 schestowitz-TR; media still ducking several important stories

13:01 schestowitz-TR; now it's about PM (news cycle)

13:01 schestowitz-TR; Borisnaro was not held accountable

13:03 Techrights-sec2; no, they let him off scotfree

13:03 Techrights-sec2; in several areas

13:06 schestowitz-TR; I'll get on now with the Microsodft series, cleaned my feeds twice over

13:06 schestowitz-TR; gemini traffic wqs high recently , also many unique IPs

13:06 schestowitz-TR; I think we just need to keep at it

13:06 schestowitz-TR; the new CMS can improve workflow as it evolves and matures

13:06 schestowitz-TR; and lower the downtime, maintenance overhead

13:07 schestowitz-TR; suffice to say my employer is in no rush to move things

13:07 schestowitz-TR; they just try to get us to find somewhere else to avoid paying what we are entitled to

13:07 schestowitz-TR; and avoid court disputes

13:07 schestowitz-TR; yes, I figured that's the trick HR plays

13:07 schestowitz-TR; better for me not to say anything tbh, not in recorded meetings anyway

13:07 schestowitz-TR; in the meantime I'm paid for my time

13:07 Techrights-sec2; ack

13:07 Techrights-sec2; excellent. TR is one of the more active Gemini sites I would imagine.

13:07 Techrights-sec2; :/

13:07 Techrights-sec2; ah, that old trick

13:11 schestowitz-TR; specs for sites have changed a lot

13:11 schestowitz-TR; data point:

13:11 schestowitz-TR; just checked lxer: no comment at all in over a month

13:11 schestowitz-TR; 20-15 years ago that's where a lot of the action was it

13:11 schestowitz-TR; not sure about online forums (like vbulletin and phpbb, not some shit like reddit)

13:11 schestowitz-TR; but imho the specs have become a lot simpler

13:11 schestowitz-TR; and some of the software better if used adequately

13:11 schestowitz-TR; e.g. alpine

13:11 schestowitz-TR; rhel is not needed for simple site hosting

13:11 schestowitz-TR; it gives almost 1000 packages you never use

13:11 schestowitz-TR; so you just patch and break all the time

13:14 Techrights-sec2; ack

13:14 schestowitz-TR; I'\d go further and say that without brenching out to web aleternatives "sites" will perish

13:14 schestowitz-TR; as gulag got all nasty adn very selfish

13:14 schestowitz-TR; and prioritises things like sstackoverflow/exchange

13:14 schestowitz-TR; bufferoverflow

13:14 schestowitz-TR; whatever

13:14 schestowitz-TR; and it's getting harder for sites to keep readers with something like rss feeds

13:14 schestowitz-TR; meanwhile sociual control media is all censored, curated by HEY HI

13:14 schestowitz-TR; so they 'naturally" kill or weed out smaller sites

13:14 schestowitz-TR; and almost nobody talks about

13:14 schestowitz-TR; gulag shut its doors to new sites

13:14 schestowitz-TR; it's not interested

13:14 schestowitz-TR; no financial incensitve to its shareholders

13:24 Techrights-sec2; ack

13:24 Techrights-sec2; worse, as frequently ranted about, the share prices have no connection to

13:24 Techrights-sec2; reality let alone anything specific to the company's performance or viability

13:24 Techrights-sec2; it may end up as a chain reaction affecting RHEL in that social control media's

13:24 Techrights-sec2; aglorithmic disappearance of smaller sites means that there will be little to

13:24 Techrights-sec2; no incentive to pay for RHEL except for some non-WWW related business activities

13:25 Techrights-sec2; and, usually, not even then.

13:25 schestowitz-TR; icbm tries to nuke the clones now

13:25 schestowitz-TR; it'lkl fail

13:25 schestowitz-TR; icbm is run by saringases

13:25 schestowitz-TR; who don't grasp gpl

13:27 schestowitz-TR; hey hi smart transformation great resignation blockchain on the clown

13:29 schestowitz-TR; their sites are a broken radio

13:29 schestowitz-TR; rianne jokes about what POS opensource.cfom became

13:29 schestowitz-TR; and rarely sees anything worth linking to there

13:29 schestowitz-TR; (she last said it today; it has become a meme)

13:32 Techrights-sec2; furthermore, the "Cloud" services are a direct competitor to IBM on that front

13:32 Techrights-sec2; and the M$-paid media continues to push cloud for way more than it's worth

13:32 Techrights-sec2; Yes, that is tragic because the previous generation at IBM understood the value

13:32 Techrights-sec2; of the GPL /and/ how to make a lot of money from it. These new clowns are

13:32 Techrights-sec2; just microsofters and incapable of bringing in money or even understanding the

13:32 Techrights-sec2; nature of computing. Certainly they have demonstrated themselves to be unaware

13:32 Techrights-sec2; of the markets they are trying to work in.

13:32 Techrights-sec2; yep

13:32 Techrights-sec2; that site is also about dragging down the name / term (it's not a trademark)

13:32 Techrights-sec2; By the way, the fact that Open Source is not a trademark should open up

13:32 Techrights-sec2; better marketing possibilities because, legally, it should then be possilbe

13:32 Techrights-sec2; to name it explicitly in tenders.

13:32 Techrights-sec2; If it were an actual trademark, then there are prohibitions to doing that.


2 PM, July 25

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14:30 schestowitz-TR; preparing draft on ms sec

14:30 schestowitz-TR; i'm sure you will have tihings to add

14:30 schestowitz-TR; ok, check now

14:30 schestowitz-TR; a) you will have a lot of things to add/correct

14:30 schestowitz-TR; b) it's your area

14:30 schestowitz-TR; I've not chosen title/summary/endoing para yet, intentionally

14:30 schestowitz-TR; better to correct or add assuming it gets many views like Part II did

14:58 Techrights-sec2; checking

14:58 Techrights-sec2; When mentioning Part II, a word or two of what it covered would be good, even though there is more detail in the second paragraph. So maybe the two paragraphs

14:58 Techrights-sec2; should be joined

14:58 Techrights-sec2; ?

14:58 Techrights-sec2; s/extreme failures/abject failures/ ?


3 PM, July 25

15:07 Techrights-sec2; "weed out" is the wrong verb there, since it looks like they are not weeding

15:07 Techrights-sec2; out anything M$ but weeding out anyting disfavorable to M$

15:07 Techrights-sec2; Strassman's most famous article ought to be highlighed more, perhaps hinted at in the introduction?

15:07 Techrights-sec2; '

15:07 Techrights-sec2; not open to new ... if it contradicts M$ or its agenda

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4 PM, July 25

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16:45 schestowitz-TR; draft

16:45 Techrights-sec2; checking

16:45 Techrights-sec2; The "EPC" needs to be spelled out when it is first used. IIRC European Patent

16:45 Techrights-sec2; Convention of 1974 (EPC)

16:45 Techrights-sec2; Same for ILOAT

16:49 schestowitz-TR; wikipedia makes me want to vomit

16:49 schestowitz-TR; maybe I should stopm linking to it

16:49 schestowitz-TR; they even have an article about swpats/epc

16:49 schestowitz-TR; and you can guess who camps there

16:49 schestowitz-TR; I\ve just arguied about this in irc with xrevan

16:49 schestowitz-TR; context being russia

16:49 schestowitz-TR; i said wikipedia is bad cfor corporate and poilitical matter

16:49 schestowitz-TR; might be ok for science

16:50 schestowitz-TR; where there is less to be gainsed financially by lying

16:50 schestowitz-TR; hence camping motivations are different

16:53 Techrights-sec2; No need to consider Wikipedia here for anything. Best to avoid it, especially

16:53 Techrights-sec2; on topics which they have politicized or fallen victim to disinformation

16:53 Techrights-sec2; campaigns with.

16:53 Techrights-sec2; Wikipedia is only about edit wars and camping.

16:56 schestowitz-TR; maybe in next company metting I will answer with only yes and no

16:56 schestowitz-TR; intentionally terse

16:56 schestowitz-TR; I just want to be out by year's end

16:57 schestowitz-TR; hr teaches him how to use pro-woerkers protections against the workers

16:57 schestowitz-TR; to keep thekm agaiinst their will

16:58 schestowitz-TR; I am back to work tomorrow

16:58 schestowitz-TR; would rather work on the sites

16:58 schestowitz-TR; tomortrow is exactly one month since TM's DB went rogue

16:59 Techrights-sec2; ack

16:59 Techrights-sec2; that's the purpose of HR : to protect the company against the workers

16:59 Techrights-sec2; I'd get advice from your uninon rep if possible

16:59 Techrights-sec2; otherwise the fight is lopsided in their favor

16:59 Techrights-sec2; ack

16:59 Techrights-sec2; what was the feedback from Marius, if he had time to look at the outside or

16:59 Techrights-sec2; inside of the mockup / alpha


5 PM, July 25

17:04 schestowitz-TR; no feedback yet

17:04 schestowitz-TR; is the plan to (at some point) wipe the DB entries and start posting in both sites in tandem while exposing the "beta" to the public, then gradually change over?

17:05 Techrights-sec2; yes, at some point we'd wipe the DB contents and run it in parallel to the old

17:05 Techrights-sec2; system for a little while just to be sure then once it is adjusted enough

17:05 Techrights-sec2; and deemed adequate, the old one can be copied to static, too, then turned off

17:05 Techrights-sec2; and keep somewhere offline

17:10 schestowitz-TR; turning off old can happen much later

17:10 schestowitz-TR; in fact, the fist step would be locking it down

17:10 schestowitz-TR; no edits/comments etc.

17:10 schestowitz-TR; do you think we can start, bug notwithstanding, post in parallel today?

17:10 schestowitz-TR; anything in the current DB is either cruft or already in "old" anyway

17:10 schestowitz-TR; much of it was generated by older versions of the scripts

17:10 schestowitz-TR; with a clean slate at least we can soon remove password restriction

17:10 schestowitz-TR; and I can tweak the IRC scripts to point to the new

17:10 schestowitz-TR; and today/tomorrow I have lots of spare time for this

17:10 schestowitz-TR; next week I have two days off work (holiday)

17:10 schestowitz-TR; maybe make a backup just in case

17:10 schestowitz-TR; it must be no bigger than 2MB

17:11 Techrights-sec2; ok I guess we should wipe the current content.

17:11 Techrights-sec2; ok with that?

17:11 Techrights-sec2; I'd prefer to hear what marius has to say about the workflow etc

17:11 Techrights-sec2; wiping ...

17:11 Techrights-sec2; ok clean start; hopefully there are no rough edges with such a restart

17:27 schestowitz-TR; when public I can test the rss feed at client and script (curl+wget)

17:27 Techrights-sec2; yes

17:27 Techrights-sec2; now the old files are remove too. it is a clean start

17:28 schestowitz; tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -f -v -d $(date -d '-2 days' +'%F') -s

17:28 schestowitz; D: 2022/07/23

17:28 schestowitz; P: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/

17:28 schestowitz; Date 20220723

17:28 schestowitz; Created directory '/var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/25'

17:28 schestowitz; F: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtml

17:28 schestowitz; PREV = 0

17:28 schestowitz; Use of uninitialized value $title in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199.

17:28 schestowitz; Use of uninitialized value $author in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199.

17:28 schestowitz; Use of uninitialized value $post in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199.

17:28 schestowitz; OLDEST PREV = 0

17:28 schestowitz; Use of uninitialized value $pdate in substitution (s///) at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 189.

17:28 schestowitz; Use of uninitialized value $pdate in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 191.

17:28 schestowitz; Use of uninitialized value $slug in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 238.

17:28 schestowitz; F: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n//.shtml

17:30 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:30 Techrights-sec2; now I have to dig into that

17:30 Techrights-sec2; checking ...

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17:46 Techrights-sec2; ...checking

17:46 Techrights-sec2; did the second record add without problems?

17:46 schestowitz-TR; thanks, likely an "edge case"

17:46 schestowitz-TR; after adding node #1

17:46 schestowitz-TR; I think the second one gave the same 6 "errors"

17:46 Techrights-sec2; The warnings from creating the first record are fixed.

17:46 Techrights-sec2; Can you try with a third record and make note of any warnings?

17:50 schestowitz-TR; added a third

17:50 schestowitz-TR; no errors this time \0/

17:50 schestowitz-TR; oh, wait, until I run tm-extract-post

17:51 schestowitz-TR; then it's the same


6 PM, July 25

18:03 Techrights-sec2; ^s/creating/creating static HTML from/

18:03 Techrights-sec2; I see it now...

18:03 Techrights-sec2; checking

18:03 Techrights-sec2; I've updated the scripts now; for some reason git is not behaving in that

18:03 Techrights-sec2; directory; so manual updates are required there.

18:03 Techrights-sec2; The script refresh-site-from-db.sh will now update the site from the database

18:03 Techrights-sec2; and can be run after adding or modifying records.

18:03 Techrights-sec2; at least the navigational links are created ok

18:06 schestowitz-TR; back, just posted the epo video/post

18:06 schestowitz-TR; checking...

18:06 schestowitz-TR; rianne is back

18:06 schestowitz-TR; brb kitchen

18:06 schestowitz-TR; the bank had a massivbe queue today

18:06 schestowitz-TR; thery told her to book appoointment and "do online" or "apps"

18:06 schestowitz-TR; of course, we'll phone to book

18:06 schestowitz-TR; but I await some robot on the line

18:11 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:11 schestowitz-TR; wow, in recent librewof and recent firefox the rss/xml support got so awful

18:11 schestowitz-TR; it is like they actively went out of their way to sabotage is and make it difficult

18:11 schestowitz-TR; the opposite of how it was in 2005

18:11 schestowitz-TR; at first I thought it was just firefox or just me or TM

18:12 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:12 Techrights-sec2; :(

18:12 Techrights-sec2; there is a slog against RSS and IMAPS both, and unfortunately Mozilla is

18:12 Techrights-sec2; an active antagonist against both

18:14 Techrights-sec2; Their work against IMAPS is the more harmful of the two, but their actions

18:14 Techrights-sec2; against both are damaging. It's very clear that Baker is only doing Google's

18:14 Techrights-sec2; dirty work and is getting paid well for it.

18:15 Techrights-sec2; I see a bug in the feed output, it uses relative URLs instead of absolute URLs

18:15 Techrights-sec2; so that'll have to be updated first.

18:25 Techrights-sec2; yes

18:25 Techrights-sec2; working ...

18:26 Techrights-sec2; try refreshing the site now

18:26 Techrights-sec2; I'll look at the pwd

18:27 schestowitz-TR; can you temporarily left password restriction for me to test rss and maybe have a go at the script for new posts?

18:27 schestowitz-TR; make it news.tuxmachines.org

18:27 schestowitz-TR; as base url (please)

18:32 schestowitz-TR; yes, I treied already and it worked

18:32 schestowitz-TR; in quiterss

18:32 schestowitz-TR; the base url is not there

18:32 schestowitz-TR; but it can be accessed by anyone

18:32 schestowitz-TR; and dealt with ok in quiterss

18:32 schestowitz; https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.tuxmachines.org%2Ffeed.xml

↺ https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.tuxmachines.org%2Ffeed.xml

18:32 schestowitz-TR; let's try rss/xml validation service

18:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-validator.w3.org | Feed Validator Results: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml

↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml

18:32 Techrights-sec2; try refreshing the site now

18:32 Techrights-sec2; I'll look at the pwd

18:32 Techrights-sec2; try: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml

↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml

18:44 Techrights-sec2; checking

18:44 Techrights-sec2; should the author be Tux Machines, or should we dig out the specific author?

18:44 Techrights-sec2; checking validator ...

18:46 schestowitz-TR; author id is not essential for the feed

18:46 schestowitz-TR; i think the very fact we have control over thopse things is good enough reason to leave drupal behind

18:58 schestowitz-TR; :-)

18:58 schestowitz-TR; yes, I noticed seconds ago

18:58 schestowitz-TR; header, full base url, testing now...

18:58 schestowitz-TR; workd well, very fast to, quiterss thinks the cert is "dodgy" :-)

18:58 schestowitz-TR; but by default we can use http, I guess

18:58 Techrights-sec2; ok and the validator also wants /different/ timestamps for each entry

18:58 Techrights-sec2; I'm not sure that's worth the effort, the db would have to be redone a bit

18:58 Techrights-sec2; for that

18:58 Techrights-sec2; ok it's now a valid Atom feed

18:58 Techrights-sec2; ok


7 PM, July 25

19:01 Techrights-sec2; the RSS works fine in the second two posts, but the first one is munged:

19:01 Techrights-sec2; https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtml

↺ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtml

19:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 401 @ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtml )

↺ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtml

19:07 schestowitz-TR; I am working on the irc script

19:07 schestowitz-TR; seeing how it can be made to link to the new site or both for now

19:08 schestowitz-TR; I mean not "now now"

19:08 schestowitz-TR; but soon

19:08 schestowitz-TR; this ought to be easy, I see now

19:08 Techrights-sec2; ack

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19:57 schestowitz-TR; I think I got a fairly recent backup before we moved it to alpine

19:57 schestowitz-TR; but maybe you can tar is before deleting just in case

19:57 schestowitz-TR; sucess, I think

19:57 schestowitz-TR; testing...

19:57 schestowitz-TR; aha, I forgot to update rss


8 PM, July 25

20:03 schestowitz-TR; ---

20:03 schestowitz-TR; yay!

20:03 schestowitz-TR; I'll push to git later

20:03 schestowitz-TR; if you remove access restrictions to n/

20:03 schestowitz-TR; then it can be tested better

20:03 schestowitz-TR; I think curl won't like the cert

20:03 schestowitz-TR; for now maybe base url with http? rather than https?

20:09 Techrights-sec2; ok will look tomorrow,

20:09 Techrights-sec2; ack

20:09 schestowitz-TR; np,

20:09 schestowitz-TR; pushed to git (crude for now)

20:09 schestowitz-TR; but works

20:09 schestowitz-TR; so we can soon (perhaps) start linking to both new and old

20:34 schestowitz-TR; 1) I've changed permissions in apache

20:34 schestowitz-TR; 2) I set up properly git access

20:34 schestowitz-TR; 3) I hope I didn't commit "too much" (I got some confusing messages even after I git pulled)

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