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beginning of new day, May 25

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5 AM, May 25

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05:57 schestowitz-TR; gm

05:57 schestowitz-TR; emergency-ish here

05:57 schestowitz-TR; we had 1.5 hour electric outage

05:57 schestowitz-TR; do not try to retreieve

05:57 schestowitz-TR; ipfs stuff just yet

05:57 schestowitz-TR; it has not run yet

05:57 schestowitz-TR; worse yet, I cannot gegt wlan to show up on the pi

05:57 schestowitz-TR; after the reboot

05:57 schestowitz-TR; upon boot iy says "failked to start Load Kernel Module"

05:57 schestowitz-TR; then it goes into the desktopop OK

05:57 schestowitz-TR; but it seems like wireless option is hard to get going

05:57 schestowitz-TR; any pointers?

05:57 Techrights-sec; I wondered why no access to gemini.techrights.org

05:57 Techrights-sec; wlan troubles here too

05:57 Techrights-sec; can you do a system update?

05:58 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> About half these are Microsoft, for the second day in a row, but the corrupt media lets Microsoft badmouth "Linux" over admins who choose lousy passwords. These are actively-exploited Microsoft holes! https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/24/cisa-adds-20-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

↺ https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/24/cisa-adds-20-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

05:58 schestowitz-TR; for system update I would need a connection I assume

05:58 schestowitz-TR; unless you think it will try to amend something locally, too

05:58 schestowitz-TR; does it have ethernet port? or over usb?

05:59 Techrights-sec; What about the package 'debsums" ?

05:59 Techrights-sec; no Ethernet at all?

05:59 Techrights-sec; It has Ethernet next to the USB ports


6 AM, May 25

06:00 schestowitz-TR; i am goint to try

06:00 schestowitz-TR; icidentally, I am getting to test my usb clone of the system

06:00 schestowitz-TR; brb

06:19 schestowitz-TR; a) usb boots OK

06:19 schestowitz-TR; b) usb very slow for anything, both on rianne's and mine

06:19 schestowitz-TR; c) when it finally booted wlan0 worked

06:19 schestowitz-TR; but it's an old backup of the whole system, and slow

06:19 schestowitz-TR; d) gooing back to sd card

06:19 schestowitz-TR; e) running system update now

06:19 schestowitz-TR; linux (kernel) has no new version, I assume maybe version update broke it (I did system update about 2 weeks ago)

06:19 schestowitz-TR; f) eth0 works fine, I didn't even remember the pi4 has it

06:19 Techrights-sec; ack

06:24 Techrights-sec; ack

06:24 Techrights-sec; f) it's not quite 1Gb/s but close

06:24 Techrights-sec; but most home networks are probably still only 100Mb/s

06:30 schestowitz-TR; no, wait, yoiu leap ahead

06:30 schestowitz-TR; so I did full system update

06:30 schestowitz-TR; no linux update was there

06:30 schestowitz-TR; you said you too lost wifi #######################################

06:30 schestowitz-TR; so I told rianne not to update hers # ########################## #

06:30 schestowitz-TR; when rebooting now it is the same issue

06:30 schestowitz-TR; wifi works OK when I bot from the older clone

06:30 schestowitz-TR; I chedked how to boot the pi with an older klernel

06:30 schestowitz-TR; knowing it does not use grub

06:31 Techrights-sec; ssh: connect to host gemini.techrights.org port 22: No route to host

06:31 Techrights-sec; DNS may be out of date?

06:35 schestowitz-TR; do you know how to choose another kernel? I looked up some info, but it was not too useful

06:35 schestowitz-TR; assuming the pi does kerp old kernels and lets me select these

06:35 Techrights-sec; ack

06:35 Techrights-sec; is that in /boot/config.txt ?

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06:40 Techrights-sec; if so, then shutdown and remove USB drive, mount it in another machine,

06:40 Techrights-sec; edit the file and then return it and boot

06:43 Techrights-sec; maybe copy the data over to the clone and use that?

06:44 schestowitz-TR; ok

06:44 schestowitz-TR; well, the clone is out od date

06:44 schestowitz-TR; and the approch does not solve the issue

06:44 schestowitz-TR; I may try to downgrade the kernel

06:44 schestowitz-TR; it it does not seem too risky an approach

06:48 schestowitz-TR; I have looked at config.txt

06:48 schestowitz-TR; the options there do not allude to older kernel

06:48 schestowitz-TR; I do not use a USB drive, I'm back to using the SD card

06:48 schestowitz-TR; the goal is to boot into a state where wlan works again

06:48 schestowitz-TR; (I did test wlan works if I boot into the USB clone)


7 AM, May 25

07:16 Techrights-sec; RPi systems are easier to replace than repair by swapping out the storage medium

07:26 schestowitz-TR; I am going to try to run it close to me, with ethernet, headless

07:26 Techrights-sec; ack

07:58 schestowitz-TR; I have restored things one by one

07:58 schestowitz-TR; soon the ipfs processes will be fully caught up with

07:58 schestowitz-TR; nginx is failing

07:58 schestowitz-TR; I don't know hy yet

07:58 schestowitz-TR; *why

07:58 schestowitz-TR; would you like to see the error it gives?

07:58 schestowitz-TR; maybe a newer version of it was unhappy with configs?

07:58 schestowitz-TR; I think when I did system updates it already restarted nginx as part of the process


8 AM, May 25

08:01 schestowitz-TR; [emerg] socket() [::]:80 failed 97: address family not supported by prtotocol)

08:11 schestowitz-TR; OK, I think that the ipfs bits are ready to pick up now from the pi

08:11 schestowitz-TR; the internal ip changed from 82 to 84 in D block

08:11 schestowitz-TR; maybe some future system update will 'fix' wifi

08:11 schestowitz-TR; for now, http/s, gemini and ssh route to the ethernet address

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08:28 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-240522.html#tMay%2024%2016:37:41

http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-240522.html#tMay%2024%2016:37:41

08:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, May 24, 2022

08:41 schestowitz-TR; my connection requires that I run the tc scripts on the pi

08:41 schestowitz-TR; I changed ip=wlan to eth

08:41 schestowitz-TR; but it than acts unhappyabout running the commands

08:41 schestowitz-TR; as if they are only working with wlan

08:41 schestowitz-TR; I guess eome other scripts alsdo make references to that

08:41 schestowitz-TR; I also had to change internal references to the name of the mchine

08:41 schestowitz-TR; whioch is not the same when it is on ethernet

08:42 Techrights-sec; ack

08:44 Techrights-sec; yes, but the wifi problem can be at the router posisbly

08:44 schestowitz-TR; the upside is that there are now better fallback and maybe some time in the future the wifi issue will be

08:44 schestowitz-TR; solved by system update

08:44 schestowitz-TR; more iurgent that the geminiproxy/nginx, I need to figure out the traffic shaping

08:44 schestowitz-TR; as my connecction is slow

08:44 schestowitz-TR; and rianne's aloso

08:46 schestowitz-TR; it looks like some kernel thing

08:46 schestowitz-TR; as wlan is not even being loaded after the reboot

08:46 schestowitz-TR; like a missing component

08:46 schestowitz-TR; and it works ok with the old snapshot running off the sub stick

08:48 Techrights-sec; ack

08:48 schestowitz-TR; something in the OS itself has changed

08:48 schestowitz-TR; I am so tired, been up since 2:40

08:48 schestowitz-TR; I just want to get tc right

08:48 schestowitz-TR; and then take a break


9 AM, May 25

09:00 Techrights-sec; ack

09:01 schestowitz-TR; going tito get much-needed sleep

09:01 schestowitz-TR; losing health over it not worth iit given

09:01 Techrights-sec; ack

09:01 schestowitz-TR; that more critical things are unning again

09:01 schestowitz-TR; the outage did not cause me as much trouble as the pi losing wlan

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10 AM, May 25

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11 AM, May 25

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11:48 Techrights-sec; that's good news then

11:48 Techrights-sec; that the outage was minimal

11:50 schestowitz-TR; back

11:50 schestowitz-TR; at the end there were two unrelated issues

11:50 schestowitz-TR; 1) pi after updated

11:50 schestowitz-TR; 2) 1.5 hours of outage

11:51 schestowitz-TR; first such outage in 15 years

11:51 schestowitz-TR; I was a lot younger when last experiencingf an outage that's not my own fault and fixable on the stop

11:51 schestowitz-TR; rianne and I were like zombies, much better now

11:51 schestowitz-TR; priority now is 1) fix tc (maybe kernel change is the culprit?)

11:51 schestowitz-TR; s) fix the gemini-proxy or rather nginx


noon, May 25

12:04 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Suffered my first electric outage (not caused by myself and immediately fixable in the fuse box) since more than 15 years ago! Shocking that the emergency line for this used a robot to pick up call. Emergency lines should send you directly to a person.

12:04 Techrights-sec; ack

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2 PM, May 25

14:08 schestowitz; x https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4050185/microsoft-open-sources-adatest-toxigen

↺ https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4050185/microsoft-open-sources-adatest-toxigen

14:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computing.co.uk | Microsoft open-sources tools to create safer language models

14:08 schestowitz; x https://www.techcityng.com/applications-open-for-the-microsoft-africa-development-center-adc-open-source-connect-for-developers/

↺ https://www.techcityng.com/applications-open-for-the-microsoft-africa-development-center-adc-open-source-connect-for-developers/

14:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techcityng.com | Applications open for the Microsoft Africa Development Center (ADC) Open Source Connect for developers - TechCity

14:10 schestowitz; x https://www.computerworld.com/article/3661673/adobe-tightens-microsoft-integration-for-document-management-validation.html

↺ https://www.computerworld.com/article/3661673/adobe-tightens-microsoft-integration-for-document-management-validation.html

14:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Adobe tightens Microsoft integration for document management, validation | Computerworld


3 PM, May 25

15:04 psydruid; Adobe trying to keep its friends relevant

15:05 schestowitz-TR; shared crises

15:07 psydruid; that's why I always disregard people's discounting GNU/Linux for not having Adobe and Autodesk products

15:08 schestowitz-TR; I understand those people

15:08 schestowitz-TR; some have worked for 20 years with these

15:08 schestowitz-TR; they know no other way

15:08 schestowitz-TR; they dee autocad

15:08 schestowitz-TR; not windows

15:08 schestowitz-TR; and some have used "Mac" for 20 years

15:08 schestowitz-TR; so they see no other way

15:08 schestowitz-TR; but that perception can change

15:08 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: are you good at iptables and nftables

15:08 psydruid; if you are flexible enough you can learn anything

15:09 schestowitz-TR; Techrights-sec seems to be offline at the moment

15:09 schestowitz-TR; yeah, but Techrights-sec spent a lot of time learning these, I spend 2 hours today in vain

15:09 schestowitz-TR; I think we need to rewrite our traffic shapers

15:09 psydruid; I worked for one of these CAD/CAM companies as a technical support

15:09 schestowitz-TR; Debian decided to move to newer packages that are not compatible with old

15:09 schestowitz-TR; I already had to fix 3 broken things

15:09 psydruid; So I know what I'm talking about

15:10 schestowitz-TR; or work around

15:10 schestowitz-TR; technical support is awful experience

15:10 schestowitz-TR; you get abuse

15:10 psydruid; I haven't worked with iptables directly

15:10 psydruid; That's why I eventually quit

15:10 schestowitz-TR; the pi was forcibly reboot [sic]

15:10 schestowitz-TR; we had the first such outage in over 15 years

15:11 schestowitz-TR; I was joking to myself about Putler flicking a switch

15:11 schestowitz-TR; just to "fuck with us"

15:11 schestowitz-TR; but at 2:50am in summer power usage is very low

15:12 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: yes, better even garden than handle people on the phone MORE so people who are ANGRY as something went WRONG

15:12 psydruid; I used to set up Slackware with Shorewall for an easier interface to iptables

15:12 schestowitz-TR; Now I don't even want to make a snapshot/clone of the pi

15:12 psydruid; Most customers were nice, except for the French, who have no matters

15:13 psydruid; manners*

15:13 schestowitz-TR; because of all the things 'broken' with the latest patches

15:13 schestowitz-TR; France has a reputation for it

15:13 schestowitz-TR; not just in EPO

15:13 schestowitz-TR; what a strange day it has been today

15:14 psydruid; Sometimes they started cursing and I am the kind of person who treats others the way he is treated himself

15:14 schestowitz-TR; pushing infra changes to git

15:14 schestowitz-TR; let me put it crudely

15:14 psydruid; Can you go back to a previous working state?

15:14 schestowitz-TR; jobs suck

15:14 schestowitz-TR; IT jobs suck more

15:15 schestowitz-TR; an artilce in The Register 1-2 years ago

15:15 schestowitz-TR; said something to the effect of

15:15 schestowitz-TR; 90% of people in tech or IT or software

15:15 schestowitz-TR; (cannot recall which)

15:15 schestowitz-TR; dislike their job

15:15 psydruid; I am considering non-IT jobs in the future too

15:15 schestowitz-TR; the worst part is working on stress

15:15 schestowitz-TR; like downtime, data loss, things breaking

15:15 schestowitz-TR; that's when the health is also impacted

15:16 schestowitz-TR; I woke up after just 3 hours of sleep, stayed up 6 hours

15:16 psydruid; I know when I was working for that company I didn't even feel like staying in the workplace for lunch

15:16 schestowitz-TR; until I decided that I fixed "enough" of the "more important" things

15:16 psydruid; So I went home not to see or hear from anyone

15:16 psydruid; And I put on weight because of the stress

15:16 schestowitz-TR; makes sense

15:16 schestowitz-TR; do not before close friend of colleague

15:16 schestowitz-TR; or relationships

15:16 schestowitz-TR; *become

15:17 schestowitz-TR; need to separate the worlds

15:17 schestowitz-TR; when I worked in burger king my girlfriend was a colleague

15:17 schestowitz-TR; it's getting a bit awkward sometimes

15:17 psydruid; I've always been pursued in the workplace, but held it off


4 PM, May 25

16:03 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: FURTHER (oops, caps) to main channel powwow

16:03 schestowitz-TR; I mentioned you on the phone

16:03 schestowitz-TR; to the man I spoke to

16:03 schestowitz-TR; he worked in IT

16:03 schestowitz-TR; found it stressful

16:04 schestowitz-TR; now does power supplier stuff

16:04 schestowitz-TR; the good thing here is, power cuts are avoided in crowded places

16:04 schestowitz-TR; in bohol some people have had no power for 6 months

16:04 schestowitz-TR; due to the hurricane

16:04 psydruid; I think people in IT are undervalued, especially if they have degrees in CS

16:05 schestowitz-TR; maybe there is an oversupply

16:05 psydruid; you learn all this theory and these advanced skills

16:05 schestowitz-TR; they moan about "shortages" to lower the salaries

16:05 schestowitz-TR; by increasing oversupply

16:05 schestowitz-TR; and not even training and teaching properly

16:05 psydruid; and then you go into the workplace and do all kinds of boring things

16:05 schestowitz-TR; shit like "AWS certification"

16:05 psydruid; for which you don't even need the degree

16:06 schestowitz-TR; yes, that's another issue

16:06 schestowitz-TR; and it is why rianne and I want to leave our job

16:06 schestowitz-TR; we lost some staff

16:06 schestowitz-TR; so sometimes we do shit jobs of people who left

16:06 schestowitz-TR; I already drafted something about going part time

16:06 schestowitz-TR; at first about leaving

16:06 schestowitz-TR; but I softened my stance

16:06 schestowitz-TR; a friend read my draft yesterday

16:07 schestowitz-TR; after speaking to the power supplier our address is registered like a business

16:07 schestowitz-TR; so maybe we can live up to that

16:07 schestowitz-TR; and do techrights full time, not that stupid job full time

16:07 schestowitz-TR; more people need to do their own thing

16:07 schestowitz-TR; but gov gives subsidies to very wealthy (graft) copmpanies

16:07 schestowitz-TR; and they eat all the pie

16:08 schestowitz-TR; the only way out of it is to not play their game

16:08 schestowitz-TR; self-hosting is one

16:08 schestowitz-TR; our company sometimes feels like resellers

16:08 schestowitz-TR; we used to have our OWN RACKS in the office

16:08 schestowitz-TR; now the media says everyone needs THE CLOWN

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16:11 psydruid; I think we should try to change the system

16:12 psydruid; The big problem is most companies siding with government and surveillance capitalism businesses

16:12 schestowitz-TR; it is a marriage of convenience

16:12 schestowitz-TR; gov, military, large companies

16:12 psydruid; With the objective of keeping technical people out of top jobs and companies

16:12 schestowitz-TR; spying and hoarding taxpayers' money

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16:12 schestowitz-TR; now the energy copmpanies and food giants make huge profits

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16:13 schestowitz-TR; having killed off the small shops drting pandemic

16:13 psydruid; It's technologists vs business people

16:13 schestowitz-TR; prices went up by a lot

16:13 psydruid; And we should realize that

16:13 schestowitz-TR; the other thing is demoting techs

16:13 schestowitz-TR; because they are seen as a threat to the 'empty suits'

16:13 schestowitz-TR; see EPO

16:14 schestowitz-TR; bankers and politicians or MBAs at the top

16:14 schestowitz-TR; no science

16:14 schestowitz-TR; the scientists are treated like farmers

16:18 psydruid; I'm in favour of reversing this situation

16:18 psydruid; with scientists at the top and bankers and politicians at the bottom

16:19 schestowitz-TR; but we need to organise

16:19 schestowitz-TR; or unionise across firms

16:19 schestowitz-TR; there are some movements

16:19 schestowitz-TR; but too scattered

16:19 schestowitz-TR; gnu helped coders as "hackers" do this

16:20 schestowitz-TR; and bypass proprietary unix

16:20 schestowitz-TR; so now there are optinos

16:20 schestowitz-TR; bsd also

16:27 schestowitz-TR; Techrights-sec:

16:27 schestowitz-TR; aha

16:27 schestowitz-TR; and we're back

16:30 psydruid; Scientists are competing too much against one another for jobs and salaries

16:30 psydruid; So yes, I agree about unionising

16:38 schestowitz-TR; EPO uses "promotion" to create hostility

16:38 schestowitz-TR; but the union points back at the real issues

16:39 schestowitz-TR; which is not colleagues

16:39 schestowitz-TR; but the dictators who plunder everyone

16:39 schestowitz-TR; EPO is a "success story" for unions

16:39 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if I should make a statement on today's service interruption

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16:40 schestowitz-TR; the main issue is the Debian 11 kernel update

16:40 schestowitz-TR; seems to have broken at least 4 services

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16:42 psydruid; Yes

16:42 schestowitz-TR; that'st the part I really hate about tech

16:42 psydruid; This shouldn't happen in a "stable" release

16:42 schestowitz-TR; it is stressful

16:42 schestowitz-TR; tech needs to be judged by what happens when things go wrong

16:43 psydruid; So standards seem to be slipping

16:43 schestowitz-TR; like kids bullied into suicide in FB

16:43 schestowitz-TR; or shamed into it

16:43 schestowitz-TR; or when businesses lose a ton of data

16:43 schestowitz-TR; or server suffer major breach

16:43 schestowitz-TR; ransomware too

16:43 schestowitz-TR; and people then skip a night's sleep

16:43 psydruid; That's always my way of thinking

16:44 schestowitz-TR; same for relationships

16:44 schestowitz-TR; 'thehoneymoonisover"

16:44 schestowitz-TR; so they say

16:44 psydruid; Test for breakage instead of only proper functioning

16:44 schestowitz-TR; as if marriage is just some long vacation

16:44 schestowitz-TR; I even plugged in the usb clone

16:44 schestowitz-TR; wifi was OK

16:44 schestowitz-TR; I then used ethernet to bring everything up to date

16:44 schestowitz-TR; checked old kernels

16:45 schestowitz-TR; but that did not fix wifi

16:45 schestowitz-TR; Techrights-sec told me to just throw it away and use the clone

16:45 schestowitz-TR; as it would be faster

16:45 schestowitz-TR; based on experience

16:45 schestowitz-TR; with those types of devices

16:45 psydruid; I had this with a Debian 11 install a few months ago

16:45 schestowitz-TR; people used to say sound broke

16:45 schestowitz-TR; after they had upgraded

16:46 psydruid; I applied updates and networking stopped working

16:46 psydruid; So I did a reinstall

16:46 schestowitz-TR; to me, eth0 still works

16:46 schestowitz-TR; I need to rewrite some scripts and stuff

16:46 psydruid; As I couldn't be bothered figuring out what exactly went wrong

16:46 schestowitz-TR; and it needs to be close to the router now

16:59 schestowitz-TR; rianne and I are joking today that Putler is flicking the switch on and off

16:59 schestowitz-TR; to feel how much power -- pardom the pun -- he has

16:59 schestowitz-TR; I spoke for over 30 mins with the power supplier

16:59 schestowitz-TR; the upstream one

16:59 schestowitz-TR; got our addressed registered as "high priority"


5 PM, May 25

17:02 schestowitz-TR; I spent a coupld of hours messing with tc, seeing that we now use "deprecated" tools and commands

17:03 schestowitz-TR; tried to work around that, as ipfs takes up the b/w at home

17:03 Techrights-sec; did you try it with nftables

17:03 Techrights-sec; ack

17:03 schestowitz-TR; I reckon the commands can be converted to nftables

17:04 schestowitz-TR; but do not know how

17:04 schestowitz-TR; There are similar issues people have with RHEL 8

17:04 schestowitz-TR; and some compatibility fallbacks

17:04 schestowitz-TR; like patches for the kernel

17:04 schestowitz-TR; but in the long run using these tools will get harder

17:04 schestowitz-TR; until rewritten

17:04 schestowitz-TR; this is less of an iissue

17:04 schestowitz-TR; I did fix the logger and the nginx stuff, pushed to git

17:04 schestowitz-TR; so the only remaining PITA is tc

17:04 schestowitz-TR; maybe some time in the future the kernel will pick up wlan OK

17:05 schestowitz-TR; what complicates me fixing this is that I barely have a grasp of how the tc scripts work at the moment

17:05 schestowitz-TR; but I reckon a mapping from one command to another would solve this

17:05 schestowitz-TR; we vey much r ely on this for all tasks and computer

17:05 schestowitz-TR; as the network is slow and ipfs is still useful enough

17:05 schestowitz-TR; the issue with ipfs taking up a lot of bw is widely known

17:05 schestowitz-TR; because it needs to scatter many copies around, that's the whole point of it

17:06 Techrights-sec; the main problem with tc is that it runs on a host within the LAN rather than

17:06 Techrights-sec; the LAN's router

17:06 Techrights-sec; can IPFS be adjusted to not use more than a certain amount of bandwidth on its

17:06 Techrights-sec; own?

17:06 schestowitz-TR; I looked into it again this morning, with newer docs, but people suggest traffic shaping

17:09 Techrights-sec; ack

17:09 schestowitz-TR; we have long known that iptablkes is being phased out

17:09 schestowitz-TR; and now there's an opportunity to future-proof the setup

17:09 schestowitz-TR; The news is slow today, but I hardly slpt and my RSS feeds need cleaning

17:09 schestowitz-TR; at least all key services are fully restored

17:09 schestowitz-TR; inc. ones I did not push to git, like changing to the devices name

17:09 schestowitz-TR; it now has two 'profiles', LAN Eth and WLAN

17:16 psydruid; It's still inexcusable for such changes to take place in a stable distribution

17:16 schestowitz-TR; yes, I mean..

17:16 schestowitz-TR; likle breaking apis and compatibility

17:17 schestowitz-TR; with apt/apt-get update

17:17 schestowitz-TR; not upgrade

17:17 schestowitz-TR; just leave it the fuck alone

17:17 schestowitz-TR; it works, it runs

17:17 schestowitz-TR; no upgrades

17:17 schestowitz-TR; maybe security fixes, that's enough

17:17 schestowitz-TR; like nginx suddenly complaining about the config files

17:18 schestowitz-TR; because the syntax that was OK before it's not "Emerg"(ency)

17:18 schestowitz-TR; so the gemini proxy was down for like 9 hours

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17:25 Techrights-sec; ack

17:25 Techrights-sec; I should look at NFTables again soon.

17:28 schestowitz-TR; thanks so much

17:28 schestowitz-TR; we have two tc scripts that are called by gemini

17:28 schestowitz-TR; at the moment they do nothing

17:28 schestowitz-TR; they fail to run

17:28 schestowitz-TR; fixing this is more to do with "convenience" (latency etc.) than uptime

17:28 schestowitz-TR; afaik, I did fix or work around all the other issues

17:28 schestowitz-TR; but I will babysit tonight's scripts in real time just to be sure

17:28 schestowitz-TR; along the way on multiple machines at home we made things more robust in case of a next incident

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17:42 Techrights-sec; ack


6 PM, May 25

18:08 schestowitz-TR; my energy provider is eager to protect what we have here in terms ofreisilience

18:08 schestowitz-TR; the person I spoke to used to work as tech in telecoms

18:08 schestowitz-TR; so the network side

18:08 schestowitz-TR; BT uptime has been superb so far this year

18:08 schestowitz-TR; no outages at all, just those annoying firmware updates without prior warnings, followd by IP address roll-over

18:08 schestowitz-TR; at leasy my vague and basic understanding is that iptables is being replaced and phased out

18:08 schestowitz-TR; for good, solid, factual reasons

18:08 schestowitz-TR; technical reasons, not some corporation shoehorning vendor lockin

18:09 Techrights-sec; ack

18:09 Techrights-sec; yes and nftables is easier to use just it's missing the enormous wealth of

18:09 Techrights-sec; (good, bad, terrible) tutorials

18:10 schestowitz-TR; today's news is (so far) clean of Microsoft shitposts

18:10 schestowitz-TR; so far...

18:10 schestowitz-TR; so we can be offeensive with positive stuff, not "defensive"

18:11 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Spamnil headline 3 hours ago: "Your Much Loved macOS Linux Terminal..." Waaah??? "macOS Linux Terminal"? The kernel has a terminal? Linux is MacOSX? macOS? When clueless people are propped up by Jim and Sheela Zemlin... to attack tech (no spamnil has no tech skills)

18:12 Techrights-sec; ack

18:12 Techrights-sec; though Apple's, Microsoft's, John Deer's, and other's astroturfers have been

18:12 Techrights-sec; active in framing Apple's repair kit in a way that attacks right to repair and

18:12 Techrights-sec; tries to further erode the right

18:13 schestowitz-TR; those are other battles

18:13 schestowitz-TR; like Florian told me last month, better for us to focus on upc and epo

18:13 schestowitz-TR; he tackles apple's abuses a lot these days

18:13 schestowitz-TR; there are 3 people I know who write 24/7 about fight or right to repair

18:13 schestowitz-TR; they can explain it a lot better than me

18:14 Techrights-sec; yes, of course, but one to check on from time to time because it is increasingly

18:14 Techrights-sec; crossing into software and with it licensing and, lately, into software patents

18:14 Techrights-sec; yes, that too, however, the increasing misuse of patents and the incursion of

18:14 Techrights-sec; software patents into the fight is sometign to be aware of and check on from

18:14 Techrights-sec; time to time

18:15 schestowitz-TR; maybe there are clips or portions of clips that can illuminate this

18:15 schestowitz-TR; as expalined by other people

18:15 Techrights-sec; good idea. I'll try to make note next time sw patents come up in one of the

18:15 Techrights-sec; vlogs

18:17 schestowitz-TR; very improbable I'll make videos today as the wind was out of my sails by 9am and I'm just trying to survive

18:17 schestowitz-TR; as feed items pile up and we only posted 10 nodes in drupal so far today (usually it's about 50 per day), except weekends

18:19 schestowitz-TR; I spoke to the nortjhwest power manager

18:19 schestowitz-TR; and he said that for the router and the pit it makes sense to get a ups

18:19 schestowitz-TR; as the exchanges run on backup batteries anyway

18:19 schestowitz-TR; and a ups for small devices should be 50-80 pounds

18:19 schestowitz-TR; if we have another ppoower cut, I'll go purchase something

18:19 schestowitz-TR; the laoptops have batteries

18:19 schestowitz-TR; all of them have working batteries, some last longer than others

18:19 Techrights-sec; :/

18:19 Techrights-sec; problems like power outages will do that

18:19 Techrights-sec; would a UPS for one or two of the computers have helped?

18:20 schestowitz-TR; cost of ups ~ 4 hours of babysitting elephants in librewold

18:20 schestowitz-TR; so we don't have to wake up colleagues

18:20 schestowitz-TR; (for the NOC, which is useless if you work in the blind)

18:24 schestowitz-TR; I reckon we'll live and operate like this for a llong time to come

18:24 schestowitz-TR; given recent circumstances

18:24 schestowitz-TR; hence renewing domain for 5 years as well

18:24 schestowitz-TR; the savings alone can assure that

18:24 schestowitz-TR; I've manually checked the gzx file this afternoion

18:24 schestowitz-TR; those are the bread and butter of the sites

18:24 Techrights-sec; ack

18:24 schestowitz-TR; though the file system matters as well

18:24 schestowitz-TR; with fibreoptics I'd have backups it up a lot more often rather than rely on RAID and on you

18:25 Techrights-sec; I don't feel comfortable until problems with the filesystem are ru;ed out

18:27 schestowitz-TR; yes, hence the need to reduce working hours

18:27 schestowitz-TR; the time seems right

18:27 schestowitz-TR; and we made the decision (final) even before the employer communicated anything

18:28 schestowitz-TR; now we have excuse and opportunity

18:28 schestowitz-TR; I already ponsoered years ago either passing to rianne or going part time

18:28 schestowitz-TR; but the money was easy and I feared it would insult the boss

18:28 schestowitz-TR; like "OK, I'm out, but plkease keep rianne in"

18:28 schestowitz-TR; becaause it comes as a set

18:28 schestowitz-TR; (when sareen was being a gas I threatened to quit and the boss reacted in panic sucking up

18:28 schestowitz-TR; and staff; she was sacked shortly after that)

18:29 schestowitz-TR; work politics is toxic shit that wears you down

18:29 schestowitz-TR; working 9-5 and communiting fnished you, even if you could in theory, type away and blog 7pm to midmnight

18:30 schestowitz-TR; you do not have the mental and emotional capacity anymore

18:30 schestowitz-TR; it is a hidden enemy

18:30 Techrights-sec; yep and those that don't do any work or anything constructive at all, sahy

18:30 Techrights-sec; microsofters, have all the time in the world to wear down productive people

18:30 Techrights-sec; with their politics

18:31 schestowitz-TR; when getting older some people regret having been "budy making money" (they cannot even use up, just waste like "business c

18:32 schestowitz-TR; class seats") when they could in fact use the time doing something personal

18:32 schestowitz-TR; and at 40 you do start to wonder...

18:33 schestowitz-TR; heck, you cpould be that "professional clock

18:33 schestowitz-TR; "along the lines ofm "biological clock" (typically a feminine term)

18:37 Techrights-sec; microsofters often run the clock out on projects, making them miss deadlines

18:37 Techrights-sec; and fail through obstruction

18:37 Techrights-sec; delay, and interference

18:37 Techrights-sec; since they never get measure by the same criteria, they can fail all day

18:37 Techrights-sec; every day and only get praised and promoted for it

18:38 schestowitz-TR; and when all else fails, outsource

18:38 schestowitz-TR; to places where they still retain some actual engineerrs

18:38 schestowitz-TR; on borrowed money

18:38 schestowitz-TR; because they lack a business model

18:38 schestowitz-TR; too obsssessed with grabbing all the "share" ("market")

18:38 Techrights-sec; oh, too bad, it was almost ready, if there had only been a little

18:38 Techrights-sec; more time/money/upgrades

18:47 schestowitz; Security mjg being pawned again (or pwn3d rather)

18:47 schestowitz; I want to spend more time in irc if I spend less time on the job

18:48 Techrights-sec; ack

18:58 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "The malware creates a working directory %TEMP%\\OfficeInit and copies to it INIT and cmpbk32.dll files, as well as a legitimate 32-bit Windows executable cmdl32.exe from either System32 or SysWOW64 folder, depending on if the operating system is 32 or 64 bit." https://research.checkpoint.com/2022/twisted-panda-chinese-apt-espionage-operation-against-russians-state-owned-defense-institutes/

↺ https://research.checkpoint.com/2022/twisted-panda-chinese-apt-espionage-operation-against-russians-state-owned-defense-institutes/

18:58 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- research.checkpoint.com | Twisted Panda: Chinese APT espionage operation against Russians state-owned defense institutes - Check Point Research

18:58 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Filename: eset_ssl_filtered_cert_importer.exe SHA-1 hash: 796362BD0304E305AD120576B6A8FB6721108752 ESET detection name: Win32/Agent.AEGY" https://www.welivesecurity.com/2022/05/20/sandworm-ukraine-new-version-arguepatch-malware-loader/

↺ https://www.welivesecurity.com/2022/05/20/sandworm-ukraine-new-version-arguepatch-malware-loader/

18:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-research.checkpoint.com | Twisted Panda: Chinese APT espionage operation against Russians state-owned defense institutes - Check Point Research

18:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Sandworm uses a new version of ArguePatch to attack targets in Ukraine | WeLiveSecurity

18:58 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Sandworm uses a new version of ArguePatch to attack targets in Ukraine | WeLiveSecurity


7 PM, May 25

19:21 Techrights-sec; ack

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19:47 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Despite assurances by Eben Upton that theres no supply shortage of Raspberry Pi CM4 modules for commercial and industrial customers, installations or projects requiring just a few modules may be out of luck. So alternatives are needed" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/25/raspberry-pi-cm4-compatible-module-amlogic-a311d-cpu/

↺ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/25/raspberry-pi-cm4-compatible-module-amlogic-a311d-cpu/

19:47 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cnx-software.com | Raspberry Pi CM4 compatible module coming soon with Amlogic A311D CPU - CNX Software

19:49 Techrights-sec; ack

19:49 Techrights-sec; ack; not all the manufacturing can take place in Wales yet, and of course

19:49 Techrights-sec; there is the matter of the components too

19:49 schestowitz-TR; not computer enthusiats hoard components

19:49 schestowitz-TR; car makers do

19:49 schestowitz-TR; and of course CrankCoin people

19:49 schestowitz-TR; but they are buying into duds that lack value or lose value very rapidly

19:57 Techrights-sec; not the enthusiasts but the manufacturers of chips and other basic parts

19:57 Techrights-sec; their not hoarding but are just not able to make enough

19:57 Techrights-sec; scalpers are another problem and a big one which has popped up rather recently

19:58 Techrights-sec; in response to the shortage

19:58 Techrights-sec; people buy up units at the normal price and then auction them off for several

19:58 Techrights-sec; times higher

19:58 schestowitz-TR; data is the new aunflower oil :-)

19:58 psydruid; it also depends on the types of chips

19:59 schestowitz-TR; fish and chips

19:59 schestowitz-TR; with sunflower oil

19:59 psydruid; I think it's more important to get more smaller chips out there than these x86 monstrosities

19:59 schestowitz-TR; made or farmed in ukraine


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