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beginning of new day, July 24

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1 AM, July 24

01:06 schestowitz; http://beta.tuxmachines.org/

↺ http://beta.tuxmachines.org/

01:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 401 @ http://beta.tuxmachines.org/ )

↺ http://beta.tuxmachines.org/

01:06 schestowitz; Just a prototype for now, written from scratch.

01:06 schestowitz; Can you send me your public ssh key for access to the site's admin side?

01:07 schestowitz; (Rianne has tried posting some nodes, with success, over ssh)

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01:50 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_: instead of constantly arguing, maybe we can collaborate on trying to squash swpats, inc. in USPTO

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01:51 schestowitz-TR; I am working on series detailing some very explosive leaks in this area


2 AM, July 24

02:00 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: I rank the growing movement to deny people the ability to accurately describe their gender as a greater threat to society than swpats

02:04 schestowitz-TR; so you adopt thew approach of parking for years, 24/7, in online forums and IRC channels, looking for ways to defame people in Saudi-run (they hate LGBQ) Twitter

02:25 schestowitz-TR; http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/

http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/

gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/

02:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The EPO Bubble Part XII The Shape of Things to Come? | Techrights

02:26 schestowitz-TR; we need your help there, mjg59_

02:26 schestowitz-TR; notice how, for example

02:26 schestowitz-TR; people with NO qualifications in CS were put in charge

02:26 schestowitz-TR; so they focus on BS

02:26 schestowitz-TR; like granting as many patents as possible

02:26 schestowitz-TR; not doing what's good for the profession

02:26 schestowitz-TR; just law firms and and megacorporations

02:26 schestowitz-TR; like your previous employers

02:27 schestowitz-TR; you can use your voice there to help CS

02:27 schestowitz-TR; rather than try to 'hunt down' people who do the heavy lifting for you

02:28 mjg59_; Yes, this is all bad

02:28 schestowitz-TR; thanks for helping

02:28 schestowitz-TR; spread the word

02:28 mjg59_; As is failing to, for instance, recognise that trans men can get pregnant

02:28 schestowitz-TR; these are semantic differences

02:28 schestowitz-TR; I have trans friends

02:29 schestowitz-TR; but I also know how languages work

02:29 schestowitz-TR; like gendered languages

02:29 schestowitz-TR; I speak several

02:29 schestowitz-TR; anyway, we're a technical site

02:29 mjg59_; Do you deny that trans men can get pregnant?

02:29 schestowitz-TR; let's focus on tech

02:29 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_: I focus on real issues atm

02:29 schestowitz-TR; not all that sematics

02:29 schestowitz-TR; *semantics

02:29 mjg59_; 18:05 < schestowitz-TR> "Pregnant People"... what people get pregnant? https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/right-to-travel-abortion/ | Source: The Nation

↺ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/right-to-travel-abortion/

02:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | Could GOP States Really Stop Pregnant People From Traveling to Get Abortions? | The Nation

02:30 mjg59_; You literally raised that topic

02:30 schestowitz-TR; it showed up in my feeds

02:30 mjg59_; And you commented on it. Here.

02:30 schestowitz-TR; anyway, you stalked us here all day

02:30 schestowitz-TR; looking for "dirt" opportunisties

02:30 schestowitz-TR; that's pathetic tbh

02:30 schestowitz-TR; and a sign of a feeble mind

02:30 schestowitz-TR; to spend so much time on this

02:31 schestowitz-TR; bbl

02:31 schestowitz-TR; got better things to do...

02:31 schestowitz-TR; before the bulletin cutoff at 2:35am

02:31 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: An easy thing for you to say here would be "Oh, right, I hadn't considered that - I understand why they would use this terminology"

02:32 mjg59_; But instead you become defensive

02:32 schestowitz-TR; naa..

02:32 schestowitz-TR; anyway, back later

02:32 schestowitz-TR; really have deadline due to bulletin

02:32 schestowitz-TR; all this genderphobia is not our focus anyway

02:32 schestowitz-TR; even in this channel it's just a like a minror one liner

02:33 schestowitz-TR; you cherry pick and dirt-dig

02:33 schestowitz-TR; which is pathetic and petty

02:37 mjg59_; I think you failing to understand that trans men get pregnant is actually pretty important

02:37 schestowitz-TR; I can assure you I'm busier than most people, and hard-working, I don't stalk IRC channels all day long. Might be indicative of need for psychotherapy. You could get a lot more done elsewhere

02:37 schestowitz-TR; you are changing the subject

02:37 schestowitz-TR; and dwell on it

02:37 schestowitz-TR; \bbl

02:37 schestowitz-TR; enough of this

02:38 schestowitz-TR; more than 90% of women on the world do not side with you

02:39 mjg59_; Do not side with me on what topic?

02:40 mjg59_; It's a pretty obvious fact that trans men get pregnant

02:41 schestowitz-TR; damn, I missed bulletin deadline

02:41 schestowitz-TR; because of youi

02:41 schestowitz-TR; I'lkl just ignore you from now on

02:42 schestowitz-TR; the post didn't make it to today's bulletin

02:44 mjg59_; You could have just ignored me until you'd done the bulletin, there's no requirement that IRC be synchronous

02:44 mjg59_; Instead it just comes across as you not wanting to explain what you meant


5 AM, July 24

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6 AM, July 24

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8 AM, July 24

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08:50 Techrights-sec2; thanks

08:50 Techrights-sec2; the update of the feeds and such needs to be automated. Cron is not the

08:50 Techrights-sec2; way to go for that. I wonder if wrapper scripts are the way to go

08:50 Techrights-sec2; or if incron should be used to watch the whole /n hiearchy or something else.

08:53 schestowitz-TR; gm

08:53 schestowitz-TR; yes, I was gonna say,

08:53 schestowitz-TR; it seems like adding update steps as a manual thing would increase overhead

08:53 schestowitz-TR; maybe not for a small site with few updates but one with 50+ updates per day

08:53 schestowitz-TR; where speed matters a lot

08:53 schestowitz-TR; I've sent Marius some details, will check my email tonight

08:53 schestowitz-TR; btw, he can do pgp, as it's protonmail

08:53 schestowitz-TR; not that I trust protonmail much after what they did to the climate activist

08:54 Techrights-sec2; gm

08:54 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:54 Techrights-sec2; Perhaps wrapper scripts are the way to go.

08:56 Techrights-sec2; However, I will test incron too

08:56 Techrights-sec2; By the way, the posts don't have the date in the body, I suppose they should.

08:56 Techrights-sec2; The date is in the URL and the metadata but not in the body text

08:56 schestowitz-TR; I've noticed that

08:56 schestowitz-TR; the URL says the date

08:56 schestowitz-TR; the page does not

08:57 Techrights-sec2; It might help a bit with Gemini to have the date also in the body text

08:57 Techrights-sec2; Shoul it be yyyy-mm-dd (ISO) or just mm/dd or mmm dd ? I think maybe the

08:57 Techrights-sec2; last one is the least ambiguous

08:58 schestowitz-TR; year matters as well as it gives context, age of news

08:58 schestowitz-TR; some sites say x "years ago"

08:58 schestowitz-TR; for those who find the articlss and need to be reminded these may be well out of date

08:58 Techrights-sec2; ok that make sense


9 AM, July 24

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10 AM, July 24

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10:36 schestowitz-TR; I see that clickfraud spamnil has taken the fraud up another notch. Linux Foundation subsides fraud.

10:37 schestowitz-TR; now he buts clicks within 1-2 days of publication

10:37 schestowitz-TR; to cover up what a sham that channel is

10:37 schestowitz-TR; gulag might be tolerating it because it's not a "big" channel

10:37 schestowitz-TR; or, like twitter or FB, it makes them look "big"

10:38 schestowitz-TR; Linux Foundation defrauds people. It damages the "Linux" brand. http://techrights.org/2022/06/08/lf-defrauding-clients/

http://techrights.org/2022/06/08/lf-defrauding-clients/

10:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | New Lows: Linux Foundation Defrauding Clients | Techrights

10:39 Techrights-sec2; yep, I still say it is part of a planned campaign to run the brand into the

10:39 Techrights-sec2; ground

10:39 Techrights-sec2; they could have easily afforded to keep the actual journalists around and

10:39 Techrights-sec2; let them continue writing

10:44 schestowitz-TR; nearly done now with links file

10:44 schestowitz-TR; i think we can do the part about security and microsoft media moles

10:44 schestowitz-TR; you found 2 windows tco stories

10:44 schestowitz-TR; i need to think of a suitable clustering pipeline or style for new tuxmachines

10:44 schestowitz-TR; if you can think of a more effective one from a reader's POV

10:44 schestowitz-TR; like, it would be nioce is updated posts would have the update on TOP, then bubble up or get "bumped" to top of rss feed

10:44 schestowitz-TR; as this is one approach to dealing with same story, many sources, coming at different times and adding up

10:44 schestowitz-TR; mainstream "news" sites have a very poor handling or emerging, changing stories

10:44 schestowitz-TR; and then they turn to twitter etc.

10:44 schestowitz-TR; which is worse

10:44 schestowitz-TR; it means their site becomes fragmented across platforms

10:44 schestowitz-TR; just like the comments

10:44 schestowitz-TR; imaging if you boarded a train and they sent you journey updates via Saudi Twitter

10:44 schestowitz-TR; just imagine...

10:44 Techrights-sec2; having it on top would entail tracking the hours too

10:44 Techrights-sec2; it can be done, but would require quite a bit of reworking various pieces and

10:44 Techrights-sec2; parts

10:44 Techrights-sec2; the scotland train incident was because the company decide not to notify its

10:44 Techrights-sec2; passengers and instead tried to pretend that a "tweet" was as good as an

10:44 Techrights-sec2; official announcement

10:46 schestowitz-TR; that also vainly assumes people carry around tracking devices with "notifications" turned on, an "app", and "follow" the private company

10:46 schestowitz-TR; when the analogue alternatives are SO much better

10:46 schestowitz-TR; here, with nhs, the old skool methods are usually still available

10:46 schestowitz-TR; like phonecall, not "text"

10:46 schestowitz-TR; visits, no web sites

10:46 schestowitz-TR; but I hope it'll stay that way

10:49 Techrights-sec2; there is pressure to eliminate reliable methods and several directions of

10:49 Techrights-sec2; presure to steer people into social contol media

10:52 schestowitz-TR; so we need to embolden and grow a counter movememn

10:52 schestowitz-TR; so large that the shitty firms cannot afford to ignore the needs of peopl

10:52 schestowitz-TR; and receive lengthy complaints like a bunch I submitted last year

10:52 schestowitz-TR; it's costing them a lot of money

10:52 schestowitz-TR; to me it costs only time

10:52 schestowitz-TR; I'm not salaries to do it

10:52 schestowitz-TR; but you can estimate they spent hours or dozens of hours of managers' time

10:52 schestowitz-TR; on each such incident

10:52 schestowitz-TR; manchester town hall, that yorkshire medical thing, BT...

10:52 schestowitz-TR; so they learn not to f* with people for piuurely economic reasons

10:52 schestowitz-TR; it is the only language these "suits" understand... money

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10:57 Techrights-sec2; ack

10:57 Techrights-sec2; but now that a critical mass of people are addicted to social control

10:57 Techrights-sec2; media it is far easier for the corporations to manipulate their opinions

10:57 Techrights-sec2; especially because most mistake it for having anything to do with communication

10:57 schestowitz-TR; let's not overestimate

10:57 schestowitz-TR; a) how many people use it

10:57 schestowitz-TR; b) how many people are addictaed to it

10:57 schestowitz-TR; in the globe, maybe it's 20% for (a)

10:57 schestowitz-TR; and 5% of (b)

10:57 schestowitz-TR; but they are vocal

10:57 schestowitz-TR; and some are politicians

10:57 schestowitz-TR; the average farmer doesn't give a shit

10:57 schestowitz-TR; so we need to lean on those 80% to keep some things as they ar,e e.g. paper voting

10:57 schestowitz-TR; and purchases in person, with cash etc.

10:57 schestowitz-TR; it's a yuppie western thing to pay "contactless" with a "phone"

10:57 schestowitz-TR; few people do this

10:57 Techrights-sec2; vocal and prominently placed in positions of authority, all too often


11 AM, July 24

11:03 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Never trust Vladolf Putler https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/23/un-chief-condemns-airstrikes-key-ukrainian-port-hours-after-grain-deal | Source: Common Dreams

↺ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/23/un-chief-condemns-airstrikes-key-ukrainian-port-hours-after-grain-deal

11:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | UN Chief Condemns Airstrikes on Key Ukrainian Port Hours After Grain Deal

11:08 Techrights-sec2; ack

11:11 schestowitz-TR; easier time in my life to be

11:11 schestowitz-TR; critical

11:11 schestowitz-TR; cynical sceptical

11:11 Techrights-sec2; ack

11:11 schestowitz-TR; and to distance myeself from "the system"

11:11 schestowitz-TR; seeing how they dealt with covid before and AFTER it hads spread, now:

11:11 schestowitz-TR; techrights-news> Another patent racket? https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/23/who-declares-monkeypox-global-public-health-emergency | Source: Common Dreams

↺ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/23/who-declares-monkeypox-global-public-health-emergency

11:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | WHO Declares Monkeypox a Global Public Health Emergency

11:11 schestowitz-TR; [11:04] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.commondreams.org | WHO Declares Monkeypox a Global Public Health Emergency

11:11 schestowitz-TR; [11:05] <techrights-news> "Whitney discusses the parallels between the rescue of Emergent Biosolutions with anthrax (and potentially now monkeypox) and the rescue of Moderna and BioNTech with Covid." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/05/investigative-reports/monkeypox-fears-may-rescue-endangered-corporations/

↺ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/05/investigative-reports/monkeypox-fears-may-rescue-endangered-corporations/

11:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-unlimitedhangout.com | MonkeypoxFearsMay RescueEndangeredCorporations

11:13 schestowitz-TR; I know people under 60s who reacted badly to covid and/or to vaccines

11:13 schestowitz-TR; and many who die are in their 60s and above

11:13 schestowitz-TR; so from an economic POV they're of no value anymore

11:13 schestowitz-TR; or "almost done" anyway

11:13 schestowitz-TR; like a 10 year old laptop with bad keys and dimmed screen

11:15 schestowitz-TR; I'm guilt-free now about this new lifestyle

11:15 schestowitz-TR; no gym, no flights

11:16 schestowitz-TR; if people ask me, I have the answers well prepared

11:16 schestowitz-TR; same as the "when do you have kids?" BS

11:16 schestowitz-TR; that too got even simpler to answer after covid, inflation, wars

11:16 schestowitz-TR; I have answer with a question

11:16 schestowitz-TR; *can answer

11:20 Techrights-sec2; ack

11:20 schestowitz-TR; it is mostly a burden of rpoof thing

11:20 schestowitz-TR; you need to convince me, to compel me, that your side makes any sense at all

11:25 Techrights-sec2; ack

11:34 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com

11:34 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> With Windows, there are back doors. With Linux, however, you need to first get in somehow. The media fails to mention this. https://www.securityweek.com/intezer-documents-powerful-lightning-framework-linux-malware

↺ https://www.securityweek.com/intezer-documents-powerful-lightning-framework-linux-malware

11:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Intezer Documents Powerful 'Lightning Framework' Linux Malware | SecurityWeek.Com

11:34 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Intezer Documents Powerful 'Lightning Framework' Linux Malware | SecurityWeek.Com

11:34 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167589

↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167589

11:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science | Tux Machines

11:34 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science | Tux Machines

11:34 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> So don't run this script. Nobody forces you to. https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28860

↺ https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28860

11:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center

11:34 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center

11:34 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Using Microsoft backdoorsware to do "research" into security is a gas! https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28872

↺ https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28872

11:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center

11:34 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center

11:34 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Microsofters @ sans dot edu :-) ... about the cult, about the back doors, not about security

11:34 schestowitz-TR; This only works if you've already taken over the machine https://www.securityweek.com/new-cross-platform-luna-ransomware-only-offered-russian-affiliates

↺ https://www.securityweek.com/new-cross-platform-luna-ransomware-only-offered-russian-affiliates

11:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com

11:34 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com

11:36 schestowitz-TR; SANS: let's use back doors OS in WINDOWS to "prove" SSH is 'dangerous'...

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noon, July 24

12:02 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Conflating targets with infects. Just because someone wishes to infect "Linux" with this thing doesn't mean it'll be feasible; with Windows there are back doors https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55138-linux-hit-by-a-rather-nasty-persistent-virus

↺ https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55138-linux-hit-by-a-rather-nasty-persistent-virus

12:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Linux hit by a rather nasty persistent virus

12:02 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:02 Techrights-sec2; it's not even clever enough to be called FUD but the media publishes and

12:02 Techrights-sec2; the PHBs like it because it allows them to continue to rationalize their

12:02 Techrights-sec2; ongoing use of M$

12:02 Techrights-sec2; through the Microsoft Effect: all software has bugs therefore there is no

12:02 Techrights-sec2; point in trying; even though the nature and quantity of bugs differ there

12:02 Techrights-sec2; by orders of magnitude

12:02 Techrights-sec2; a lot of the "certification" crowd have their panties in a twist over SSH

12:02 Techrights-sec2; anyway for years

12:04 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> This is not security but Linux (Microsoft) Foundation propaganda and stigmatisation that distracts from the back doors https://www.computing.co.uk/feature/4053287/about-sboms-moves-secure-software-supply-chain

↺ https://www.computing.co.uk/feature/4053287/about-sboms-moves-secure-software-supply-chain

12:04 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computing.co.uk | All about SBOMs: the latest moves to secure the software supply chain

12:15 schestowitz-TR; no posts from Sandra-Henry-Stocker

12:15 schestowitz-TR; YUNIX AS A SXECOND LANMGUAGE

12:15 schestowitz-TR; since 2-03 weeks ago

12:15 schestowitz-TR; maybe IDG(China) is canning her too

12:15 schestowitz-TR; no ad revenue from MSFT and co.

12:18 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:57 Techrights-sec2; We can now show TM feed info by X recent entries and not just by date

12:57 Techrights-sec2; the date is not so useful if some time has passed, but is good if there

12:57 Techrights-sec2; are a lot of entries over a shorter time

12:58 schestowitz-TR; I'm not sure what good practice is for entry per feed, it probably depends on density of entries and length of each

12:58 schestowitz-TR; but for people who refresh once a day ~50 latest should be enough

12:58 schestowitz-TR; some detect duplicates based on titlte, some on datastamp and/or url

12:58 schestowitz-TR; the idea is to make it visible again when a post gets updated

12:58 schestowitz-TR; without creating yet another (new) page

12:59 Techrights-sec2; I'm starting to worry that some combinatino of both methods might be best

12:59 Techrights-sec2; X records or since YYYYMMDD which ever is greater.

12:59 Techrights-sec2; So should the list in latest-news.html

12:59 Techrights-sec2; show the date, too?

12:59 Techrights-sec2; Right now it is title and description.


1 PM, July 24

13:00 schestowitz-TR; at the moment I am not even sure what to put under desc tbh

13:00 schestowitz-TR; as we never had anything other than title, sometimes summary, then full text

13:00 schestowitz-TR; but the latter two were always the sdame and merges

13:00 schestowitz-TR; *merged

13:01 Techrights-sec2; title only is too terse for a feed

13:02 schestowitz-TR; maybe desc can be name of site, which camelcase file can help derive for suggestions

13:02 schestowitz-TR; and this way it says something more than headline

13:02 schestowitz-TR; also in latest-news

13:04 Techrights-sec2; that'd not be so useful information , hovering over the link will show

13:04 Techrights-sec2; the URL anyway

13:04 Techrights-sec2; but I'm talking about the feed for TM itself as renderd as an HTML definition

13:04 Techrights-sec2; list (DL) in the file latest-news.html

13:04 schestowitz-TR; rianne would not like to write summaries and afaik linuxtoday and lxer just quote a portion from the article as the outline

13:04 schestowitz-TR; so for a site that linsk to other sites that field is an enigma

13:06 Techrights-sec2; ack

13:06 Techrights-sec2; it

13:06 Techrights-sec2; it's not so much an enigma but instead value added, a reason to follow TM

13:06 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if the alga that inputs freeform text, tidied, from nano, can then derive something to be adopted for desc if desc is left blank

13:07 Techrights-sec2; rather than just use the linked site's feed.

13:07 Techrights-sec2; It could, if there were some level of predictability about what ends up in

13:07 Techrights-sec2; the body

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13:11 Techrights-sec2; The description can be short, a one-liner. It does add a lot of usefulness

13:11 Techrights-sec2; to the feed and the ability to work with the records to produce pages.

13:11 schestowitz-TR; if I understand, this shows up in

13:11 schestowitz-TR; a) latest news

13:11 schestowitz-TR; b) rss feeds

13:11 schestowitz-TR; c) not in the page?

13:13 Techrights-sec2; a) latest-news (inserted into each page above the footer)

13:13 Techrights-sec2; b) the Atom feed

13:13 Techrights-sec2; c) the search engine results (iirc) for each post, if they get indexed

13:14 schestowitz-TR; i see

13:14 schestowitz-TR; 50 one liners a day is still a lot of lines to proofread ;-) and harder for rianne

13:14 schestowitz-TR; many pages are clusters of links correlated to one another for that day

13:16 Techrights-sec2; Yes, I understand. The site can be done without them, I am for now presenting

13:16 Techrights-sec2; the case for how they can be valuable. Then the description for a link

13:16 Techrights-sec2; cluster would say more or less that. There's no reason not to re-use

13:16 Techrights-sec2; such descriptions over and over

13:16 schestowitz-TR; here is an idea

13:16 schestowitz-TR; for TR, I can add editorial comments to a lot more picks

13:16 schestowitz-TR; and those would be some of the same comments that go as descriptions in TM

13:16 schestowitz-TR; ok, that would work

13:16 schestowitz-TR; rianne can lead it blank sometimes

13:19 Techrights-sec2; Yes

13:19 Techrights-sec2; It's something to consider and only "needs" to be a line. Having that little

13:19 Techrights-sec2; bit of more information helps people know what's at the link shown and

13:19 Techrights-sec2; entices them to click, with more awareness than just random clicking

13:23 Techrights-sec2; Here is an example, see the second entry in the dl

13:23 Techrights-sec2; https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml

↺ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml

13:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 401 @ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml )

↺ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml

13:38 schestowitz-TR; yes, you sold it to me

13:38 schestowitz-TR; as a way to hit two bird with one stone

13:38 schestowitz-TR; opportunity foreditorial comments and also adding something "new" in TM\

13:38 Techrights-sec2; ok

13:38 schestowitz-TR; I am guessing rianne can leave "-" if she has nothing special to say or use some placeholder text

13:38 schestowitz-TR; I am going to add half a dozen nodes shortly

13:38 schestowitz-TR; to exercise such a workflow

13:38 schestowitz-TR; give me 10 mins, tea is on the hob

13:39 schestowitz-TR; in the day in techrights page I see some unicode was mishandled a little, at least as shown as html

13:39 schestowitz-TR; I've added 3 nodes and am adding some more with descriptions now

13:39 schestowitz-TR; tried to refresh the pages, probably ran the wrong commands (outdated)

13:41 Techrights-sec2; which URL?

13:42 schestowitz-TR; https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml

↺ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml

13:47 Techrights-sec2; checking

13:47 Techrights-sec2; It seems to be that way in the original body in the database.

13:47 schestowitz-TR; so the issue might be at terminal/alpine/console/data entry/clipboard

13:47 schestowitz-TR; I will try to pay close attention

13:47 schestowitz-TR; you can now refresh or add all the new thingsa in the DB

13:47 schestowitz-TR; I've lost track of what command upates which page/.s

13:52 schestowitz-TR; finished adding nodes for now

13:52 schestowitz-TR; inc. proper desc

13:52 schestowitz-TR; I prctices the workflow

13:52 schestowitz-TR; terminal in same page as TM add node

13:52 schestowitz-TR; and passing around the description between 3 windows to recycle the extra effort

13:52 schestowitz-TR; it worked well

13:52 Techrights-sec2; could be, I'm looking into some questions about it

13:52 Techrights-sec2; it seems to get /into/ the database ok, so the problem must be in the other

13:52 Techrights-sec2; script(s)

13:52 Techrights-sec2; excellent

13:55 Techrights-sec2; examining the editing script, it may be an option with tidy


2 PM, July 24

14:11 schestowitz-TR; as a side note, original tuxmmacines cannot and could never handle eoji

14:11 schestowitz-TR; high-0numbered unicode makes it sort of panic and stop processing at the char

14:11 schestowitz-TR; not sure if it'sa DB-level limitation

14:11 schestowitz-TR; given the age of that DB

14:11 schestowitz-TR; which in some sense became dead end since xrevan said innodb migration routes were far from trivial

14:11 Techrights-sec2; ack

14:11 Techrights-sec2; ok something does not like any kind of HTML entities in the text, checking further

14:58 schestowitz-TR; editing/updaitng howtos to add new ones

14:58 schestowitz-TR; checking the options

14:58 schestowitz-TR; managed to update

14:58 schestowitz-TR; not sure how to export to html now

14:58 Techrights-sec2; (found yet another difficult utf8 bug, probably with sqlite3)

14:58 Techrights-sec2; export to HTML :

14:58 Techrights-sec2; tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -f -v -d $(date -d '-2 days' +'%F') -s

14:58 Techrights-sec2; the -v is optional and the -f is only needed if updating existing files


3 PM, July 24

15:03 Techrights-sec2; I should wrap it all in a script

15:09 schestowitz-TR; thanks, now it shows up correctly

15:09 schestowitz-TR; what the old site cannot do is, bump updated posts in front page or rss

15:09 schestowitz-TR; this way, insted of ~3 "today's [sic] howtos" per day it can be just one for the day

15:09 schestowitz-TR; with updates that add more links periodically

15:16 Techrights-sec2;

15:16 Techrights-sec2; ack


4 PM, July 24

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5 PM, July 24

17:29 Techrights-sec2; well either the utf8 situation has been improved or worsened

17:29 Techrights-sec2; either way there are some changes in Git now

17:30 schestowitz-TR; back from 2-hour nap, working till 1am now

17:30 schestowitz-TR; but will catch up with links

17:30 schestowitz-TR; I had dreams working on the beta site

17:30 schestowitz-TR; lots of very detailed dreams

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6 PM, July 24

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18:45 schestowitz-TR; lun duke doing a onlyfans again

18:45 schestowitz-TR; wasting time write "meta" stuff

18:45 schestowitz-TR; and diluting the signal imho

18:45 schestowitz-TR; as if the blog is about selling subs

18:45 schestowitz-TR; riddle me this

18:45 schestowitz-TR; why did he abandon his OWN site

18:45 schestowitz-TR; for this third party that is obscure and likely proprietary?

18:53 Techrights-sec2; not sure, he's not been firing on all cylinders since before he got sick

18:54 schestowitz-TR; correlated to the mental crisis

18:54 schestowitz-TR; like fianncial etc.

18:54 schestowitz-TR; oir literally brain damagew (physical)?

18:54 Techrights-sec2; probably both

18:56 schestowitz-TR; in a kingdom full of covid-19 recoverees a person without it is in for a helluva time

18:56 schestowitz-TR; or, maybe more competitive, nopt sure

18:56 schestowitz-TR; I've long said it about people who waste their time with "smart" phones

18:56 schestowitz-TR; trying to get "work" done on 5-inch (or smaller) screens

18:56 schestowitz-TR; (saw even a prof friend wasting his time like this, his workstation at uni has 4 screens)


7 PM, July 24

19:00 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:00 Techrights-sec2; one can spend 20 times the time and effort doing a clumsy job on a smartphone

19:00 Techrights-sec2; or else wait until a reasonable computer is available and get the job done

19:00 Techrights-sec2; in a tiny fraction of the time and effort; but then again "smart" phones are

19:00 Techrights-sec2; about engagment and not efficinency or ease of use

19:01 schestowitz-TR; literally 30 secs ago I read Ruben Schade writing about his dreeam where he loses the "phone"

19:01 schestowitz-TR; I had a pattern of dreams before when I enter water with the PDA still inside my pocket

19:01 schestowitz-TR; must have happened hundreds of times, must be a common theme for other people too

19:02 schestowitz-TR; other common dreams: you're back in schools doing exams, needing to attend classes, sometimes showing up barely dressed in thr wrong place, teeth falling out,

19:02 schestowitz-TR; those seem to be rather common themes

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8 PM, July 24

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20:15 schestowitz-TR; good news

20:15 schestowitz-TR; my uncle is OK

20:15 schestowitz-TR; he made it

20:15 schestowitz-TR; just needs some therapy for a while ahead

20:15 schestowitz-TR; so that puts an end to some really bad thoughts I've been having lately

20:15 schestowitz-TR; he wrote a long message directly this time, not via son

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20:22 schestowitz-TR; he is old enough to tell ww2 stories where he was stationed in germany as a troop

20:22 schestowitz-TR; (for us)

20:26 Techrights-sec2; excellent. I'm glad to hear he is doing ok,

20:27 schestowitz-TR; I have been anxious for a week

20:33 Techrights-sec2; yes, understandably

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9 PM, July 24

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22:44 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: I'm genuinely glad to hear about your uncle, and I know that must have been stressful.


11 PM, July 24

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