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03:05 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/24/number-of-covid-19-patients-in-hospital-increased-68-44-so-far-this-month/
03:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This Month
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05:34 Techrights-sec2; a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub. -1 for it being on
05:34 Techrights-sec2; GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all. That is the way it should be done
05:34 Techrights-sec2; It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legible
05:34 Techrights-sec2; But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attacked
05:34 Techrights-sec2; a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub. -1 for it being on
05:34 Techrights-sec2; GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all. That is the way it should be done
05:34 Techrights-sec2; It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legible
05:34 Techrights-sec2; But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attacked
05:35 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft can now interfere directly, no need for lobbyists
05:35 schestowitz-TR; they can censor people with CoC etc
05:49 Techrights-sec2; yes the right way would be for the congress to host its own Git service and own
05:49 Techrights-sec2; issue tracker
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06:51 schestowitz-TR; do you find the latest epo coverage illumating wrt the issues?
06:51 schestowitz-TR; or do you suggest improving it for general audiences?
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07:18 Techrights-sec2; checking
07:18 Techrights-sec2; some additional general audience posts would help. the current ones are good
07:18 Techrights-sec2; of course but some specifically made for general audiences would always
07:18 Techrights-sec2; be beneficial for outreach
07:18 Techrights-sec2; I'm starting to see just how catastrophic the reduction in skilled / knowledgeable ICT people is world-wide; There are few to none forthcoming through off
07:18 Techrights-sec2; icial
07:18 Techrights-sec2; channels and many of the official pipelines are set up to cull out people with
07:18 Techrights-sec2; interest + talent so that only microsoft resellers remain with credentials
07:21 schestowitz-TR; you say "resellers"
07:21 schestowitz-TR; in my experience, it's not limited to "Microsoft"
07:21 schestowitz-TR; but buzzwords and cargo cults like SaaS (outSaarCing) and clown
07:21 schestowitz-TR; which means there is lessened likelihood of companies having any infra at all
07:21 schestowitz-TR; never mind the fake security BS
07:21 schestowitz-TR; which I am starting to loathe more and more
07:21 schestowitz-TR; seems like more and more data collection/spying
07:21 schestowitz-TR; sold to us as "security"
07:21 schestowitz-TR; even at shops
07:21 schestowitz-TR; re epo, we have a intro you wrote in 2011, still at top of wiki listings
07:21 schestowitz-TR; being a wiki, it can be expanded upon
07:21 schestowitz-TR; main barrier is lack of media participation
07:21 schestowitz-TR; we cannot bribe or "buy" space like EPO or LF or Microsoft/ICBM
07:22 Techrights-sec2; yes but occasional summaries of current events, tying them to the old intro,
07:22 Techrights-sec2; would be attractive; the logical fallacy 'appeal to novelty' is valid
07:22 Techrights-sec2; yes lack of media participation is still a problem but they won't look at "old"
07:22 Techrights-sec2; news only "new" news so the posts have to be new
07:24 schestowitz-TR; Snowden leaks are "old" :)
07:24 schestowitz-TR; WW2 is "old"
07:24 schestowitz-TR; Esptein's circle is "old"
07:24 schestowitz-TR; BTW, good news about netflix
07:24 schestowitz-TR; all those bubbleCorps need to die
07:24 schestowitz-TR; not get bailed out
07:24 schestowitz-TR; make no money?
07:24 schestowitz-TR; then WTF are you still doing in business?
07:24 schestowitz-TR; you are a yoke!
07:24 Techrights-sec2; https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Novelty
07:24 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.logicallyfallacious.com | Appeal to Novelty
07:26 schestowitz-TR; TR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty"
07:26 schestowitz-TR; and also some memes
07:26 schestowitz-TR; with examples of how "new" means worse than what we had before
07:26 schestowitz-TR; ytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps"
07:26 schestowitz-TR; reminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffers
07:26 schestowitz-TR; TR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty"
07:26 schestowitz-TR; and also some memes
07:26 schestowitz-TR; with examples of how "new" means worse than what we had before
07:26 schestowitz-TR; ytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps"
07:26 schestowitz-TR; reminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffers
07:27 Techrights-sec2; For over 20 years, the appeal to novely fallacy has been the backbone of
07:27 Techrights-sec2; sales in computer hardware and proprietary software; Thus there are several
07:27 Techrights-sec2; work generations of people trained to accept it. So the cost of doing out
07:27 Techrights-sec2; reach is the occasional "new" article/
07:27 Techrights-sec2; Something better than ytalk could be made with python and mqtt; the bash-based
07:27 Techrights-sec2; test showed that but Bash alone was not quite up to the task.
07:29 Techrights-sec2; https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty
07:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rationalwiki.org | Appeal to novelty - RationalWiki
07:29 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "The Famine Is Coming" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/global_food_shortage_crisis_ukraine_russia | Source: Democracy Now
07:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | The Famine Is Coming: War in Ukraine & Climate Crisis Contribute to Food Insecurity in Somalia | Democracy Now!
07:31 schestowitz-TR; the depressiing news is coming
07:31 schestowitz-TR; but I posted one batch of links already
07:31 schestowitz-TR; I need to leave a pocket of time available constantly
07:31 schestowitz-TR; for breaking epo news
07:35 schestowitz-TR; for people to whom expensive food means no food desperate measures open up
07:35 schestowitz-TR; murders, smuggling, theft, hoarding, revolutions
07:35 schestowitz-TR; ukraine was a grain capital for some
07:35 schestowitz-TR; and then there's the gas prices
07:35 schestowitz-TR; I hope we can keep those expenses down with discounts and smarter usage
07:35 schestowitz-TR; to avoid burning away savings
07:35 schestowitz-TR; I always lugh at "smart" meters "saving energy"; afaik, they are powered by... electricity ;-)
07:37 Techrights-sec2; Yes, EPO news is among the highest priority; TR is uniquely positioned to
07:37 Techrights-sec2; cover it
07:37 Techrights-sec2; yep food shortages mean more wars and human trafficking, as well as useful idiots feeding both
07:37 Techrights-sec2; Ukraine also produced neon which was used for semiconductor manufacturing
07:37 Techrights-sec2; I don't see any benefit from the attributes associated with "smart" meters
07:37 Techrights-sec2; there is a long list of disadvantages, though
07:43 schestowitz-TR; we wrote a lot about it
07:43 schestowitz-TR; to complement we can add more daily links, yesterday we did about 5 batches and this past week more than 20
07:43 schestowitz-TR; I think this tempo is healthier as it puts important news in titles, e.g. release of xyz
07:43 schestowitz-TR; I know many people who read these over rss
07:43 schestowitz-TR; it is quite a unique thing in the free software world
07:43 schestowitz-TR; some tried to emulate it over the years but gave up
07:43 schestowitz-TR; it did not scale, they did not have the tools, the feeds etc.
07:43 schestowitz-TR; or the time
07:43 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I see articles about "smart" cars
07:43 schestowitz-TR; or "autonomous" cars
07:43 schestowitz-TR; I have hands-on experiencece (programming) with the latter
07:43 schestowitz-TR; it's BS
07:43 schestowitz-TR; like face rec
07:43 schestowitz-TR; soem of the methods envisioned are unbelievable!
07:43 schestowitz-TR; like connected ALL the cars
07:43 schestowitz-TR; and manage them in "the clown"
07:43 schestowitz-TR; like "smart" assistants which do all the processing in server farms
07:43 schestowitz-TR; meaning the audio is retained somewhere
07:43 schestowitz-TR; not by accident
07:43 schestowitz-TR; to them, it's spying. to you, it's "savings" (offloading)
07:43 schestowitz-TR; there are already listening devices in a lot of cars
07:43 schestowitz-TR; you can insurance "discounts" for playing ball
07:45 schestowitz-TR; 1) a car on the road that's remotely controlled can be used to kill you in your "dumb" car
07:46 schestowitz-TR; 2) this is not limited to cars (anymore?) as homes have devices in them that can be used
07:46 schestowitz-TR; to convict/frame tenants
07:49 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Food Shortage or Economic Crisis https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/food_crisis_sanctions_russia_ukraine_climate | Source: Democracy Now
07:49 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | Food Shortage or Economic Crisis? Experts Say Poverty & Capitalism Are Real Drivers of Global Hunger | Democracy Now!
07:53 schestowitz-TR; reinforced by MAD MAX
07:53 schestowitz-TR; as if you can eat cars and oil
07:54 Techrights-sec2; MadMax was always confusing, the show would have ended after a few days once the
07:54 Techrights-sec2; fuel tanks ran empty; again that goes to much of the world holding cars so
07:54 Techrights-sec2; sacred and holy that they cannot even imagine the idea of no fuel even in a
07:54 Techrights-sec2; "post-apocolyptic" collapse
07:55 schestowitz-TR; don't worry, they'll stock up on it... in plastic bags if necessary ;-)
07:55 schestowitz-TR; chemistry 101
07:55 Techrights-sec2; yes; those 55-gallon trashbags are cheap and can hold lots of fuel for use
07:55 Techrights-sec2; later; :/
07:56 schestowitz-TR; Mad Max plastgic bag edition
07:56 Techrights-sec2; https://www.carscoops.com/2021/05/government-urges-people-not-to-fill-up-plastic-bags-with-gasoline/
07:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Government Urges People Not To Fill Up Plastic Bags With Gasoline | Carscoops
07:58 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> EFF is dead to me. Recommends Privacy-Infringing Microsoft-Run DuckDuckGo that spies on you!! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/security-and-privacy-tips-people-seeking-abortion | Source: EFF
07:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Security and Privacy Tips for People Seeking An Abortion | Electronic Frontier Foundation
07:58 schestowitz-TR; same gov. that needed to tell people in FL not to fire their rifles at the hurricane
07:58 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if any planes or birds got hitr
07:58 schestowitz-TR; bunch of geico cavemen
07:58 Techrights-sec2; https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-suggest-nuking-hurricanes-1535171
07:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newsweek.com | Fact-Check: Did Donald Trump Suggest Nuking Hurricanes?
07:59 Techrights-sec2; EFF has been running opposite to its charter for a long time
07:59 Techrights-sec2; It's not incompetence, it's malice
08:00 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Why did EFF leave out Microsoft??? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/bipartisan-digital-advertising-act-would-break-big-trackers | Source: EFF
08:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | The Bipartisan Digital Advertising Act Would Break Up Big Trackers | Electronic Frontier Foundation
08:06 Techrights-sec2; EFF probably has M$ sympathizers working against digital freedom from the inside
08:06 Techrights-sec2; :(
08:06 Techrights-sec2; PBS also is thoroughly infiltrated
08:07 schestowitz-TR; publicaccess put a Microsoft employee inside the board
08:07 schestowitz-TR; the rats infest the orgs
08:07 schestowitz-TR; PBS is literally bribed by Bill Gates
08:07 schestowitz-TR; for over a decade already
08:07 schestowitz-TR; maybe the bribes could be funneled via Jeffrey Esptein
08:07 schestowitz-TR; oh, wait
08:07 schestowitz-TR; no.
08:07 schestowitz-TR; "well, he's dead"
08:08 Techrights-sec2; not just that, but infiltrated at the staff level
08:08 Techrights-sec2; ack
08:11 schestowitz-TR; the media as a whole has become a catastrophic clusterfuck
08:11 schestowitz-TR; where you just buy articles about yourself
08:11 schestowitz-TR; I mentioned this in the 30-min video last night
08:11 schestowitz-TR; and the solution to this, imho, is rejection of such media
08:12 schestowitz-TR; but it uses its size to invade everything
08:12 schestowitz-TR; e.g. zer-rating
08:12 Techrights-sec2; that's a natural and predictable progression from moving to ad-based revenue
08:14 schestowitz-TR; i mentioned bbc a lot
08:14 schestowitz-TR; and how it spikes epo coverage
08:14 schestowitz-TR; bbc (yes, layoffs!) violated its charter
08:14 schestowitz-TR; while using tax money to run (TV Licensing) it also took bribes from criminals like Gates
08:14 schestowitz-TR; and poorly vetted managers
08:14 schestowitz-TR; e.g. people from Microsoft UK
08:14 schestowitz-TR; as if this won't leave to issues
08:14 schestowitz-TR; so I boytcott the billBC entirely these days
08:14 schestowitz-TR; also for footbal and weather
08:14 schestowitz-TR; and I urge others to do the same
08:14 schestowitz-TR; rianne still reads it though
08:15 Techrights-sec2; I skim one page of it but generally avoid picking any artice if they are
08:15 Techrights-sec2; available elsewhere
08:15 schestowitz-TR; the risk of brain brainwashed by bad actors like Microsoft and rogues like Gates is just too high
08:15 schestowitz-TR; I would not even enter any address of bbc
08:15 Techrights-sec2; yes
08:15 Techrights-sec2; and, by the way, the links on their main page are /still/ broken even after
08:15 Techrights-sec2; all these years; It is clear they have not competent management and no
08:15 Techrights-sec2; comptetent IT staff and *no one* in between who gives a shit
08:16 schestowitz-TR; farnell USED to work there
08:16 schestowitz-TR; I know abother person in USENET who did
08:16 schestowitz-TR; now instead of tech they havr resellers
08:16 schestowitz-TR; like iPlayer scandals
08:18 Techrights-sec2; I know at least one person who worked there but that was decades ago back
08:18 Techrights-sec2; when it was of reasonably high quality
08:18 Techrights-sec2; Even more than PBS, BBC has been infiltrated by microsofters
08:18 Techrights-sec2; at the staff and management levels
08:23 schestowitz-TR; this past week I saw 2 or 3 new spam domains that plagiarise news
08:23 schestowitz-TR; I did not add to spamSites
08:23 schestowitz-TR; as I do not know if you funnel in anything form gulag noise
08:23 schestowitz-TR; but over time I think we can develop a better workflow and somehow organise news
08:23 schestowitz-TR; with focus on s/w
08:23 schestowitz-TR; not brands, real software
08:23 Techrights-sec2; It'd be good to add them to spam sites, because I have seen quite a few new
08:23 Techrights-sec2; spam domains recenly also
08:23 schestowitz-TR; OK, if I see these a second or third time I will add
08:23 schestowitz-TR; maybe they get culled fast enough
08:24 Techrights-sec2; Though maybe the threshold for adding ought to be if they are slick enough to
08:24 Techrights-sec2; get through once, then they can be added to ensure that it does not happen again
08:24 Techrights-sec2; Some are still around. About once a week the spamsite checking script catches
08:24 Techrights-sec2; one that would have otherwise gotten through. I notice that many such sites
08:24 Techrights-sec2; are trying to piggyback on FOSS to get through somehow. Also, the
08:24 Techrights-sec2; Bill Gates testimony videos appear to be circulated by fringe groups, probably
08:24 Techrights-sec2; in an attempt to further marginalize criticism of His Billness
08:28 Techrights-sec2; on another topic the publisher Springer pushes some DOCX variant
08:29 schestowitz-TR; for full published words?
08:29 schestowitz-TR; or drafts of some kind?
08:30 schestowitz-TR; *works
08:33 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "People who have never even been charged with a crime can have their life savings taken away. Thats civil asset forfeiture." https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/23/john-kiriakou-robbed-by-law-enforcement/ | Source: Scheerpost
08:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-John Kiriakou: Robbed by Law Enforcement scheerpost.com
08:35 Techrights-sec2; for "Electronic Supplementary Material"
08:35 schestowitz-TR; springer = sharecropping
08:35 schestowitz-TR; a friend of mine published a book with them
08:36 schestowitz-TR; it did not sell well (they do not market)
08:36 schestowitz-TR; and they take the lion's share of money
08:36 schestowitz-TR; i think they just print on demand
08:36 schestowitz-TR; it's a parasitic company
08:36 Techrights-sec2; yes Springer is not healthy for higher institutions
08:36 schestowitz-TR; privatising surplus, like patents pursued by unix
08:36 schestowitz-TR; *unis
08:40 Techrights-sec2; patents are usually never held by the universities which set them up
08:40 Techrights-sec2; they are usually spun off into a startup so that the profits elude
08:40 Techrights-sec2; the financer
08:40 Techrights-sec2; and ensure that there is no economic return for the university
08:40 Techrights-sec2; they stand for the cost; sadly they are less involved with basic research these
08:40 Techrights-sec2; days and more and more for inappropriate business development
08:42 schestowitz-TR; in 2012 (IIRC) I went for a job interview where I had stufied sine 2003 (phd)
08:42 schestowitz-TR; and one interviewer was my former supervisor
08:42 schestowitz-TR; the other was some "business" something
08:42 schestowitz-TR; which I deemed not appropriate
08:42 schestowitz-TR; for an academic position
08:42 schestowitz-TR; they start viewing the institute from the lens of money
08:42 schestowitz-TR; as a student, you produce a lot of work for them
08:42 schestowitz-TR; all they give back is a desk and a PC
08:42 schestowitz-TR; and those too are just "leased"
08:42 schestowitz-TR; so that diploma mill is highly exploitative
09:02 Techrights-sec2; I wonder if some kind of press sheet or summary page would be useful,
09:02 Techrights-sec2; like the old one but updated
09:02 schestowitz-TR; in what context? can you elaborate a bit? rereading did not help...
09:09 Techrights-sec2; there are several concurrent topics, which one?
09:10 schestowitz-TR; the one about "press sheet"
09:10 schestowitz-TR; I try to do 4-5 daily links batches and atm prioritise epo internal docs/leaks
09:12 Techrights-sec2; oh. that was about the old summary made a long time ago,
09:12 Techrights-sec2; perhaps it would be useful to do a new one with a /slight/ focus on the
09:12 Techrights-sec2; upcoming actions
09:12 Techrights-sec2; something to get an interested journalist an overview
09:13 schestowitz-TR; many of them are compromised
09:13 schestowitz-TR; I said last night that ime it would almost be a waste of time contacting politicians and press
09:14 schestowitz-TR; based on my experience
09:14 schestowitz-TR; btw, I've just noticed no irc logs for today
09:14 schestowitz-TR; I ran ipfs 2 minutes late today, I hope it did not mess up the pipeline
09:14 Techrights-sec2; checking
09:17 schestowitz-TR; re press heet
09:17 schestowitz-TR; sheet
09:17 schestowitz-TR; my supervisor told me ages age it would take HOURS just to write an abstract
09:17 schestowitz-TR; of course AFTER you spend MONTHS going through peer review
09:17 schestowitz-TR; which is days' worth of work
09:17 schestowitz-TR; you might get 100 views just on the abstract online
09:18 schestowitz-TR; maybe 10 will bother reading what you spent months on
09:18 schestowitz-TR; that put me off academia
09:18 schestowitz-TR; I could get better number on the www
09:18 schestowitz-TR; so you end up with scholars who produced 40 papers in 40 years (age 25-65)
09:18 schestowitz-TR; and barely had real impact other than "teaching many students"
09:18 schestowitz-TR; and "marking up many exams"
09:18 schestowitz-TR; not fulfillinf imho
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09:19 Techrights-sec2; yes the papers end up being mostly filler
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09:21 schestowitz-TR; good scholars, top guns, might put hundreds in GOOD journalists
09:21 schestowitz-TR; that actually DO GET READ
09:21 schestowitz-TR; and maybe attract some media attention for one day in a year
09:21 schestowitz-TR; but those are rare
09:21 schestowitz-TR; and limited to top unis
09:21 schestowitz-TR; of course the media snd BS films like Beautioful Mind tell you only about the "success stories"
09:21 schestowitz-TR; same for the "music" (copyright) industry
09:21 schestowitz-TR; those "success stories" often end up dying from drug overdoses
09:21 schestowitz-TR; /s/jopurnlists/jorunals
09:21 schestowitz-TR; conference papepr = some little ~20 min talk or poster, with some paper that goes with it
09:21 schestowitz-TR; and almost nobody reads... probably a reused paper from some failed journal submission
09:21 schestowitz-TR; or slight improvement over it
09:25 Techrights-sec2; That film was BS put out by the banskters to try to (wrongly) lend an air
09:25 Techrights-sec2; of legitimacy to their fraud.
09:25 Techrights-sec2; posters have little to no impact, for most participants they are just
09:25 Techrights-sec2; scenery; few get looked at even superficially; hardly none at all get
09:25 Techrights-sec2; examined with any level of interest
09:25 schestowitz-TR; the www is on 'borrowed' time imho
09:25 schestowitz-TR; but I cannot tell you how things will pan out
09:25 schestowitz-TR; I can guess, but only for 1-2 years
09:25 schestowitz-TR; as a medium, it's becomigng obsolete
09:25 schestowitz-TR; as it's not for pages anymore
09:25 schestowitz-TR; it's a canvas
09:25 schestowitz-TR; the rendering is done by proprietary programs from the server, not thre browser
09:27 schestowitz-TR; (top clarify, the server executes locally AND remotely)
09:27 schestowitz-TR; the codde you get with the chrome (or clone) binary does not do the heavy lifting, it's like a 'runtime')
09:27 schestowitz-TR; compared gulag news in 2005 to the 'web' 'page' it is in 2022
09:31 Techrights-sec2; yes the main thing is that it can't handle the way it's being misused;
09:31 Techrights-sec2; browsers are being used as VMs to run applications sourced from unauthenticated
09:31 Techrights-sec2; distributed sources
09:31 Techrights-sec2; the server only sends the applications, all the processing is done locally
09:31 Techrights-sec2; in the client, as if it were a VM, no matter how inefficient that is
09:31 Techrights-sec2; I'd hate to begin to calculate the gigawatts of electricty wasted repeatedly
09:31 Techrights-sec2; running the same scripts again and again around the world in various clients
09:31 Techrights-sec2; when the same thing could have been run once on the server and cached for a
09:31 Techrights-sec2; while
09:32 Techrights-sec2; pages aren't pages anymore, they are "apps" and even some of the kids these days
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09:32 Techrights-sec2; refer to them as such, it's done out of ignorance but still they are correct
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09:32 Techrights-sec2; albeit by accident
09:32 schestowitz-TR; some sites till take the right and "traditional" approach
09:32 schestowitz-TR; those are also a lot easier to convert to hugo, gemini etc.
09:32 schestowitz-TR; so the technical detb associated with keeping alive for many years is vastly reduced
09:32 schestowitz-TR; many news sites are pu offline as sys admins are "expensive" and totally necessary to run those sites
09:32 schestowitz-TR; so over the LONG run they're out and we're still in the ring
09:32 schestowitz-TR; sometimes they keep online static copies with very broken layout and no images, etc.
09:32 schestowitz-TR; withh weird URLs long not indexed by anything, not seen by anyone
09:33 Techrights-sec2; Google does not index very much any more, somehow it seems they are easing out
09:33 Techrights-sec2; of that business
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09:37 Techrights-sec2; "shareholders" is just an excuse and distracts from the real reason but
09:37 Techrights-sec2; it works since few look past that
09:39 schestowitz-TR; not just that
09:39 schestowitz-TR; I've said something to that effect
09:39 schestowitz-TR; the goal isn't fairness or archiving material
09:39 schestowitz-TR; theyd delete at will anything
09:39 schestowitz-TR; because the shareholders don't value those sorts of things
09:39 schestowitz-TR; and you SHOULD NEVER RELY ON ANY CORPRORATION TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR OWN INTERESTS
09:39 schestowitz-TR; or site... like JoinDiaspora
09:39 schestowitz-TR; it's a wrong, risky assumption
09:40 schestowitz-TR; they would mess around with you and your work which they do not value
09:40 schestowitz-TR; it's about their, not your, bottom line
09:40 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube killed off many hard-working "reators"
09:40 schestowitz-TR; that's one heck of a thank-you
09:40 schestowitz-TR; because their videos are harder to "monetise"
09:40 schestowitz-TR; one dya gulag might say, pay us to keep online videos older than 5 years
09:40 schestowitz-TR; and some people might pay
09:40 schestowitz-TR; like old sites/journals/news sources that start paywalling their archives
09:40 schestowitz-TR; so they say you need to pay x for some article from the 1980s that you need
09:40 schestowitz-TR; or so-called 'acamemic' (private) publishers
09:40 schestowitz-TR; that demand you pay them money to access your own papers
09:40 schestowitz-TR; shareholders become the state when a lot of money (high revenue, little investment, i.e. high profit/turnout) is stuff like
09:40 schestowitz-TR; "Maven" and "defence" budget. Then you can throw whole channels like "RT" under the bus
09:40 schestowitz-TR; nothing to do with shareholders per se
09:40 schestowitz-TR; it's quid pro quo
09:40 schestowitz-TR; and to them the "creators" are 'collateral damage'
09:40 schestowitz-TR; is that video still online BTW? Maybe won't be for long..
09:40 schestowitz-TR; "community guidelines"... "sign in to view"... nothing showing up in search results
09:40 schestowitz-TR; (both Gulag Search and YouTube Search)
09:40 schestowitz-TR; for your own protection
09:46 schestowitz-TR; looking at your dad's papers
09:46 schestowitz-TR; many similarities
09:46 schestowitz-TR; ResearchBillGates (ye, bribed by Bill)
09:49 schestowitz-TR; indexes like these, much like Gulag "scholar"/"news"/"search", are bogus and faux
09:49 schestowitz-TR; because there is scarce indexing of old work
09:49 schestowitz-TR; no incentive to crawl further back
09:49 schestowitz-TR; and so the calculated sums naturally favour recent stuff
09:49 schestowitz-TR; I ignore impact factors and all those "scores"
09:49 schestowitz-TR; it is like social control media
09:49 schestowitz-TR; there were sites like KLOUT for this
09:49 schestowitz-TR; they vanished
09:49 schestowitz-TR; they just scanned a bunch of "tweets" and tried to assign
09:49 schestowitz-TR; "importance" to people
09:49 schestowitz-TR; as if "tweets" are worth a f* s*
09:50 schestowitz-TR; or "angegement" is a measure of merit
09:50 schestowitz-TR; you could be posting photos of some stuff and get many "likes"
09:50 schestowitz-TR; photos from some holiday
09:50 schestowitz-TR; or even sexually explicit
09:54 schestowitz-TR; in the UK, going into administration
09:54 schestowitz-TR; means something like Chapter 11
09:54 schestowitz-TR; in the US
09:54 schestowitz-TR; you waneted to say administration works like that in the US
09:54 schestowitz-TR; I knew what you mean the next line
09:54 schestowitz-TR; ironically, it feels like working in a uiniversity's admin these days
09:54 schestowitz-TR; does mean the same
09:54 schestowitz-TR; crushing the uni or crashing the darn thing into the ground
09:54 schestowitz-TR; to get some golden eggs or foreign students from china
09:54 schestowitz-TR; for the diploma mill the university becomes
09:54 schestowitz-TR; because the brand dilution
09:54 schestowitz-TR; also see: Linux [sic] Foundation
10:00 schestowitz-TR; academia seems to have become shit here maybe 20 years ago
10:00 schestowitz-TR; I was not embedded deeply for long, so cannot verify how or when
10:01 schestowitz-TR; in 2004 or 2003 two universities in Manchester agreed to merge
10:01 schestowitz-TR; one of them, UMIST, not a shiity polytechnic but a lesser university
10:01 schestowitz-TR; with little reputation or tradition
10:01 schestowitz-TR; I was not happy about this
10:01 schestowitz-TR; and insisted that on my degree it should say VICTORIA U of Manchester
10:01 schestowitz-TR; the new merged thing was called the same as the old (original)
10:01 schestowitz-TR; university
10:01 schestowitz-TR; I don't know if this was an "efficincy" move
10:01 schestowitz-TR; to attracty intl' students
10:01 schestowitz-TR; (the 'vash cow')
10:01 schestowitz-TR; but it makde my undergard degree look potentially of less value
10:01 schestowitz-TR; my degree now does say victoria
10:01 schestowitz-TR; but most people cannot tell the difference
10:01 schestowitz-TR; they don't know the hisotry
10:01 schestowitz-TR; there were 3 other unis I could go to and accepted my application
10:07 schestowitz-TR; I've just checked my disploma
10:07 schestowitz-TR; the official one
10:07 schestowitz-TR; they broke the promise
10:07 schestowitz-TR; like when companies merged
10:07 schestowitz-TR; they said we'd be abkle to choose to say "victoria" on it
10:07 schestowitz-TR; of course it does not say that
10:07 schestowitz-TR; people forget the promise/pledge
10:07 schestowitz-TR; and now the degree is associated with the NEW university bearing the same name as the old one
10:07 schestowitz-TR; having said that, some universities had really big blunders
10:07 schestowitz-TR; and those servd to vevalue the diplomas of alumni
10:07 schestowitz-TR; in ours there was this mass rapist from indonesia
10:07 Techrights-sec2; yes, when remineded they whine about being reminded
10:07 Techrights-sec2; ack
10:09 schestowitz-TR; brb workout
10:52 Techrights-sec2; ack
10:54 schestowitz-TR; back
10:54 schestowitz-TR; inconclusive research
10:54 schestowitz-TR; might not be work in progress anymore (exercise thought):
10:54 schestowitz-TR; is jperlow still in lF?
10:54 schestowitz-TR; last blog post 2 months ago
10:54 schestowitz-TR; new guy hired
10:54 schestowitz-TR; I cannot see linkedin (MSFT)
10:54 schestowitz-TR; but twitter says LF research
10:54 Techrights-sec2; good question
10:54 Techrights-sec2; they don't have a staff roster
10:54 Techrights-sec2; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/author/jperlow/
10:54 Techrights-sec2; he was there at the end of April at least
10:54 schestowitz-TR; so maybe he was assigned to that other fake "department"
10:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Jason Perlow, Author at Linux Foundation
10:54 schestowitz-TR; rather than left
10:54 schestowitz-TR; LF periodically updates a few pages, e.g. board, management, committees
10:55 schestowitz-TR; but the arrival of that new man who knows NADA about Linux coninciding
10:55 schestowitz-TR; with no "perlow" anywhere did make me wonder
10:56 schestowitz-TR; boosting the scam before it fell LOL
10:56 schestowitz-TR; not decentralised
10:56 schestowitz-TR; just another fraud
10:56 schestowitz-TR; but LF gives it veneer of legitimacy
10:56 schestowitz-TR; at the expense of "LINUX"(R)
10:56 schestowitz-TR; "mom, what is Linux?"
10:56 schestowitz-TR; "it's this vaccine passport blockchain WSL thing"
10:59 Techrights-sec2; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jason-squared-two-nerds-talk-tech/id1507265943
10:59 Techrights-sec2; nothing recent there either
10:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-podcasts.apple.com | Jason Squared: Two Nerds Talk Tech on Apple Podcasts
11:00 schestowitz-TR; vanished around the time we called him out for AGEISM
11:00 schestowitz-TR; and IBM, where he came from
11:00 schestowitz-TR; but I doubt it is in any way related
11:00 schestowitz-TR; I'm sure he can see the weakness of LF from the inside
11:00 schestowitz-TR; they hired him for PR
11:00 Techrights-sec2; https://www.zdnet.com/meet-the-team/us/jason-perlow/#bio
11:00 Techrights-sec2; ^ blocked by javascript
11:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jason Perlow | US | Meet the Team | ZDNet
11:01 Techrights-sec2; but he wrote at ZDNet last week
11:03 schestowitz-TR; ah, maybe there's something there
11:03 schestowitz-TR; let me check dates...
11:03 schestowitz-TR; 4/4/22 dan whitining makes debut in linux.com
11:03 schestowitz-TR; where jperlow had parked after spamnil vanished
11:03 schestowitz-TR; but then weeks later that NFT BS was posted
11:03 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/04/04/dan-whiting-linux-foundation/
11:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has a New Lead Editor. Like Jim Zemlin, He Doesnt Use Linux. Hes in Love with iPad. | Techrights
11:03 schestowitz-TR; dan allowing
11:04 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:11 schestowitz-TR; our motto: they won't give away their weakness
11:11 schestowitz-TR; same in EPO
11:11 schestowitz-TR; so we must dig in and be inquisittive
11:11 Techrights-sec2; press releases get transcribed into fake articles easily
11:11 Techrights-sec2; I recall one "columnist" who did that for too many years until she got called
11:11 Techrights-sec2; out on it and the paper pulled the plug on her "column"
11:11 schestowitz-TR; as other blogs barely bother
11:11 schestowitz-TR; x y.z released
11:11 schestowitz-TR; linus says...
11:11 schestowitz-TR; but hardly looking for new info
11:11 schestowitz-TR; unless it's spoonfed to them with PR bribes
11:13 schestowitz-TR; microsoft and epo do this a lot
11:13 schestowitz-TR; of course they are not alone
11:13 schestowitz-TR; but it is easier to see when you folloe particular topics and can compare texts, photos etc.
11:13 schestowitz-TR; I get like 40 spam a day
11:13 schestowitz-TR; half of it from pr agencies trying to get me "interested"
11:17 schestowitz-TR; it probably got miles worse ein the "digital" era
11:17 schestowitz-TR; because it became faster and "cheaper"
11:17 schestowitz-TR; I can iomagine how it would be done 50 years ago
11:17 schestowitz-TR; you would need to lick envelopes and find telephone numbers and fax things
11:17 schestowitz-TR; (no fax yet)
11:17 Techrights-sec2; again, it seems that Google is hardly indexing anything any more
11:17 schestowitz-TR; so from an economic POV there was less incentive
11:17 schestowitz-TR; this is why www rapidly becomes "webspam"
11:17 schestowitz-TR; you can whip up a "site" in mintes
11:17 schestowitz-TR; in the USENET newsgroups we used to have fierce arguments about this
11:17 schestowitz-TR; as some people were making fake sites
11:17 schestowitz-TR; and then trying to sneak them into Gulag
11:19 schestowitz-TR; theory: the likes of matt cutts at google (no idea if he still holds that role)
11:19 schestowitz-TR; studies the domain space and coclude x% of domains are spam
11:19 schestowitz-TR; and therefore gulag should be super-apprehensive adding domains it does not know about
11:19 schestowitz-TR; even if they have IBLs (inbound links) because such links can be purchased
11:19 schestowitz-TR; they even penalised for certain IBL patterns
11:21 Techrights-sec2; could be it
11:21 Techrights-sec2; thy're certainly not indexing some legitimate but small sites, even ones hosted
11:21 Techrights-sec2; in data centers and all
11:21 Techrights-sec2; in years past it was enough to put up a site and wait a week or so
11:21 Techrights-sec2; now, nothing
11:21 schestowitz-TR; take it from me (wasted years)
11:21 schestowitz-TR; 1) checking stats is a waste oif time and can be demoralising (a lot of the web is bots)
11:21 schestowitz-TR; 2) enever optimise anything for gulag (SEO is a cargo cult)
11:21 schestowitz-TR; 3) don't add ads to anything. waste of time. hassle.
11:22 Techrights-sec2; Brave, DDG, and Startpage have all indexed the site(s) but not Google
11:22 Techrights-sec2; haven't (and won't) checked Yandex
11:24 schestowitz-TR; should you care?
11:24 schestowitz-TR; is it worth the worry?
11:24 schestowitz-TR; the time could instead be spent doing all sorts of other things
11:24 schestowitz-TR; with more predictable results
11:24 schestowitz-TR; sometimes the host is pooling ip addresses and some other sites on a share servers made it into a blacklist
11:26 schestowitz-TR; the maslow heirarchy of Net: ;-)
11:26 schestowitz-TR; a) your site
11:26 schestowitz-TR; b) the web
11:26 schestowitz-TR; c) web brands
11:26 schestowitz-TR; no web -> no web brands
11:26 schestowitz-TR; a site can be moved to xanadu, gopher etc.
11:45 Techrights-sec2; " In the process, they built a tool which facilitates the large-scale laundering of free software into non-free software by their customers, who GitHub of
11:45 Techrights-sec2; fers plausible deniability through an inscrutable algorithm. "
11:45 Techrights-sec2; https://drewdevault.com/2022/06/23/Copilot-GPL-washing.html
11:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drewdevault.com | GitHub Copilot and open source laundering
11:47 schestowitz-TR; yes, none of that is new
11:47 schestowitz-TR; we said that in our series n umerous times
11:47 schestowitz-TR; I want to wait and see what Miguel and Nat do before proceeding much
11:47 schestowitz-TR; It'sFOSS wrote about it, but weakly
11:47 schestowitz-TR; it also shills for LF, so...
12:05 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:06 schestowitz-TR; I wonder how to best tackle the latest LF propagadafest in Texas
12:06 schestowitz-TR; not giving it more visibility
12:06 schestowitz-TR; /me checks if spamnil bought another round of clickfraud
12:06 Techrights-sec2; which one are they doing now?
12:10 schestowitz-TR; spamnil last did this to video about 20 days old
12:10 schestowitz-TR; so the anomalies are stunning
12:33 Techrights-sec2; this? https://www.linux.com/news/ensuring-patents-foster-innovation-in-open-source/
12:33 Techrights-sec2; "Patents are an important legal protection to foster innovation ..."
12:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ensuring Patents Foster Innovation in Open Source - Linux.com
12:34 schestowitz-TR; I responded to this yesterday
12:34 schestowitz-TR; and quoted the bit about LF+OIN+Microsoft working together on patents
12:34 schestowitz-TR; this is LF in a nutshell
12:34 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:46 schestowitz-TR; next stage is, they convince or blackmail torvalds into parroting the same lines
12:46 schestowitz-TR; and lies
12:46 schestowitz-TR; and then call us "all about hate" if we don't parry the same
12:46 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:48 schestowitz-TR; like the time rms foolishly went to microsoft
12:48 schestowitz-TR; and then sjvn said repeatredly stuff like, even RMM is accepting them
12:48 schestowitz-TR; and if you don't, you're extraeme
12:48 schestowitz-TR; (of course he then went on to relentlylessly defaming RMS regardless)
12:49 Techrights-sec2; in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices
12:49 Techrights-sec2; and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mine
12:49 Techrights-sec2; after ther torture
12:49 Techrights-sec2; LF doesn't use torture
12:49 Techrights-sec2; it uses mental blackmail and therapists
12:49 Techrights-sec2; civil forefeit of the Linux project
12:50 schestowitz-TR; in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices
12:50 schestowitz-TR; and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mine
12:50 schestowitz-TR; after ther torture
12:50 schestowitz-TR; LF doesn't use torture
12:50 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:50 Techrights-sec2; yes, the LF has used torture,
12:50 schestowitz-TR; it uses mental blackmail and therapists
12:50 schestowitz-TR; civil forefeit of the Linux project
12:50 schestowitz-TR; 2+2=5
12:50 schestowitz-TR; and then you see 5 articles about torvalds singing praises of github rust
12:51 Techrights-sec2; https://phr.org/news/cia-torture-report-highlights-unnecessary-medical-procedure/
12:51 Techrights-sec2; not those specific methods but unnecessary medical treatment in general,
12:51 Techrights-sec2; sending him off and then having him recant and confess afterwards
12:51 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-phr.org | Physicians for Human Rights - CIA Torture Report Highlights Unnecessary Medical Procedure
12:52 schestowitz-TR; as daemonFC recalls, from his personal experience, it is the only way to get rleased from the treatment
12:52 schestowitz-TR; they reward for cooperation
12:52 schestowitz-TR; objection reinforces the idea of a problem
12:52 Techrights-sec2; yes if they can get leverage over him and commit him then it's game over
12:52 Techrights-sec2; after that anything he says only digs the hole deeper -- regardless of
12:52 Techrights-sec2; the situation or of what is said
12:56 Techrights-sec2; LT escaped lightly, if they had forced prescriptions on him then they
12:56 Techrights-sec2; ^the
12:56 Techrights-sec2; "medications" are so primitive in that area that they would nearly 100% likely
12:56 Techrights-sec2; caused brain damage or at least severe personality disorder either permanently
12:56 Techrights-sec2; or during the course of the drug use
12:59 schestowitz-TR; the story you told me is almost exactly the same as one from a gym friend
12:59 schestowitz-TR; whose ordeals I wrote about in my blog a few times
12:59 schestowitz-TR; he represented himself against NHS and won
12:59 schestowitz-TR; almost exactly the same
12:59 schestowitz-TR; , inc. the scnadsls of improvising and prison time
12:59 schestowitz-TR; they basically experimented on him
12:59 schestowitz-TR; he won the case
12:59 schestowitz-TR; then I think they spied on him with PI
12:59 schestowitz-TR; but hard to prove
13:00 Techrights-sec2; The trouble against LT really ramped up when he defended the GPL at his Aalto
13:00 Techrights-sec2; talk. The press made a distraction with him giving the finger to Nvidia, but
13:00 Techrights-sec2; the talk about the importance of the GPL really burned a lot of powerful people
13:01 schestowitz-TR; Quite likely that they stoope that low.
13:01 Techrights-sec2; Quite likely that they stoope that low.
13:02 Techrights-sec2; However, it is even more unlikely that they will admit to breaking the law like
13:02 Techrights-sec2; that.
13:07 schestowitz-TR; Norbert apparwently had to confeesss his "thought crime"
13:07 schestowitz-TR; and then give a talk together nwith a diversity candisate (no code) at some event
13:07 schestowitz-TR; maybehe realised this would never please theme
13:07 schestowitz-TR; it just made him look like a tool, after he had invested 2 decades of his life as a volkunteer
13:07 schestowitz-TR; in a project that was pushing him out
13:08 Techrights-sec2; Lunduke gave a good talk explaining how and why attempts at appeasement will
13:08 Techrights-sec2; only encourage and even rile up the bullied
13:08 Techrights-sec2; ^bullies
13:08 Techrights-sec2; did he blink "TORTURE" with his eyes while reading the confession?
13:12 schestowitz-TR; over the years at lkeast 3 people (off the top of my head) tried to force me to write a statement
13:12 schestowitz-TR; like apoloigising to them and such
13:12 schestowitz-TR; one time I actually did something weakly worded to that effect
13:12 schestowitz-TR; that was the first time
13:12 Techrights-sec2; yep
13:12 Techrights-sec2; yep
13:12 schestowitz-TR; and then it never ends
13:12 schestowitz-TR; change this, change that
13:12 schestowitz-TR; if you show a sign of weakness
13:12 schestowitz-TR; then they want to link to something to say "we won, he lost"
13:12 schestowitz-TR; "we were right all along"
13:14 schestowitz-TR; Linus did surrender
13:14 schestowitz-TR; therapists AND forced apology
13:14 schestowitz-TR; humiliation
13:14 schestowitz-TR; he used to defned all that as finnish culture
13:14 schestowitz-TR; I didn't even think it was limited to finland
13:14 Techrights-sec2; now they can hang both over his head indefinitely
13:14 Techrights-sec2; presumably with the threat of escalating either
13:14 Techrights-sec2; it is, but these days national identities, including Finnish, are now centered
13:14 Techrights-sec2; around defense of and support for Bill and M$
13:17 Techrights-sec2; Some years ago he made an excellent explanation about clarity and why
13:17 Techrights-sec2; evaluation of code (not of people) had to be made in no uncertain or vague
13:17 Techrights-sec2; terms; the microsofters and the press they own where able to reframe his
13:17 Techrights-sec2; code critiques as attacks on people, which they clearly weren't if one bothered
13:17 Techrights-sec2; to read them , or as "being mean"
13:17 schestowitz-TR; did you know the MFer works in a gown!!!! the MFer!!!
13:18 Techrights-sec2; yeah they try everything to get at him. Remember 20 years ago the business
13:18 Techrights-sec2; community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack of
13:18 Techrights-sec2; a suit and tie; They just could not get their tiny minds around the idea
13:18 Techrights-sec2; that he did not wear a tie. They tried similar against Fuckerberg but he
13:18 Techrights-sec2; was already complying by then
13:18 Techrights-sec2; not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as well
13:22 schestowitz-TR; it's the dress code equivalent of getting circumcised
13:22 schestowitz-TR; or doing that to kids (FGM also), demonstrating physical sacrifice for the tribe
13:22 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:00 schestowitz-TR; slow tech news so far today
15:00 schestowitz-TR; volume-wise
15:00 schestowitz-TR; having to use a hook
15:00 Techrights-sec2; summer has started and more news sites will (permanently) reduce activities
15:00 Techrights-sec2; further
15:00 schestowitz-TR; yeah, it had not quite occurred to me
15:00 schestowitz-TR; either way, more time to focus on epo then
15:02 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valves done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XCgSfDw0cM8 "TLG" so focused on Valve/Deck that I bet everything he took money from then
15:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valve's done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious
15:21 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:40 schestowitz-TR; curiously enough, based on the much-late 2013 paper abstract re photosynthesis, this is a very similar area
15:40 schestowitz-TR; to the one of a friend whom I frequently mention
15:40 schestowitz-TR; biogenesis and cells
15:40 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:40 schestowitz-TR; those are important issues, unlike a lot of pseudoscience that does get counted as of
15:40 schestowitz-TR; "indutrial value" or mere theory
15:41 schestowitz-TR; news is slow, I did another batch
15:41 schestowitz-TR; feeds empty
15:41 schestowitz-TR; will check covid status
15:41 schestowitz-TR; no important issue to record atm
15:41 schestowitz-TR; might tidy up my place
15:41 schestowitz-TR; rianne went hunting
15:52 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:52 Techrights-sec2; It's Midsummer Eve, are the stores even open?
15:53 schestowitz-TR; food stores, I don't see why not
15:53 schestowitz-TR; they're essential and I think the onl day they shut is dec 25th
15:53 schestowitz-TR; which is why 24th is great for netting expiring items in large quantities
15:53 schestowitz-TR; 31st and 1st (NYE) is partly open
15:53 Techrights-sec2; ack
16:42 schestowitz; "
16:42 schestowitz; SUEPO The Hague Event on the day of the Administrative Council
16:42 schestowitz; Dear SUEPO members, dear colleagues,
16:42 schestowitz; SUEPO The Hague is organizing a get-together meeting on the day of the Administrative Council for its members and those who want to become members.
16:42 schestowitz; The gathering will take place on June 29, 2022 from 16:00 to 19:00 at "Welgelegen Food and Drinks" in Rijswijk on the day of the Administrative Council.
16:42 schestowitz; Feel free to join us for this event!
16:42 schestowitz; "
16:45 schestowitz; "
16:45 schestowitz; SUEPO Virtual Coffee Meetings, every Friday starting at 11:30 a.m.
16:45 schestowitz; Dear SUEPO members, dear Colleagues,
16:45 schestowitz; We are happy to invite you to a weekly coffee meeting of SUEPO this Friday, 24th of June.
16:45 schestowitz; SUEPO committee members are looking forward meeting you.
16:45 schestowitz; We would like to chat with you informally on the ongoing actions
16:45 schestowitz; Working to the rule
16:45 schestowitz; Feedback of yours for further actions
16:45 schestowitz; We are there also to answer all your questions about SUEPO and listen to your concerns such as
16:45 schestowitz; - the consequences of the educational reform for staff in TH;
16:45 schestowitz; - SAP;
16:45 schestowitz; - teleworking guidelines;
16:45 schestowitz; - or work pressure.
16:45 schestowitz; But above all, we want to listen to you. SUEPO is nothing but its members, and your point of view matters very much to us.
16:45 schestowitz; "
16:46 schestowitz-TR; good and timely news
16:46 schestowitz-TR; got 4 items from epo
16:52 Techrights-sec2; ack
16:52 schestowitz-TR; as usual, we'll be the first and the only ones to cover it, I'm preparing some text atm
17:10 schestowitz; The present publication emanates from Local Staff Committee the Hague which does not have access to mass email. It is re-published via SUEPO in order to reach a larger number of colleagues.
17:13 schestowitz-TR; ok, draft
17:13 schestowitz-TR; I can make up by missing bits with new image and summary
17:21 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:21 Techrights-sec2; excellent about being first and covering it but tragic that other sites do not
17:21 Techrights-sec2; pick up the news
17:21 Techrights-sec2; in accordance to how important it is
17:21 Techrights-sec2; checking
17:21 Techrights-sec2; s/pressurising/pressure/
17:22 Techrights-sec2; the first sentence mentions a meeting, a word or two (maybe with link) would
17:22 Techrights-sec2; help remind the readers about the nature of the meeting
17:22 Techrights-sec2; It's in the second paragraph, but having a word at the start helps lead in
17:22 Techrights-sec2; s/which should not be granted/which should not be granted due to being outlawed
17:22 Techrights-sec2; by the European Patent Convention (1973) .../
17:22 Techrights-sec2; The illegality of the sw patents granting and the reason it is illegal are
17:22 Techrights-sec2; important
17:22 Techrights-sec2; s/they're recruiting/the administrative council (managment) is recruiting/
17:22 Techrights-sec2; the last two paragraphs can be merged, the "imagine working" sentence belongs with the previous paragraph
17:25 schestowitz-TR; ok, all changes applied, added an image
17:39 Techrights-sec2; thanks
17:40 schestowitz-TR; thew second (*last) pass caught a lot of typos and I clarified further
17:40 schestowitz-TR; I have to assume there's a lot more on the way
17:40 schestowitz-TR; to avoid getting PRESSURED MYSEFL :-)
17:41 Techrights-sec2; excellent
17:41 Techrights-sec2; it reads well now
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19:00 schestowitz-TR; new doc just in
19:00 schestowitz-TR; draft
19:05 schestowitz-TR; rianne asks, as she saw something in the gulag tyoob, if VAT is charged or shown separately in grocery stores
19:05 schestowitz-TR; here it's not shown explicitly
19:05 schestowitz-TR; very rarely at electronics stores too
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19:15 schestowitz-TR; another draft (short)
19:15 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:15 Techrights-sec2; I thought food is not supposed to be subject to VAT
19:15 Techrights-sec2; as for electronics, some show it up front others hide it until checkout
19:15 Techrights-sec2; in the case of Apple vs Dell, for example, Dell only adds the VAT at the end
19:15 Techrights-sec2; but Apple shows it up front and you have to subtract it at the end if you're
19:15 Techrights-sec2; making a business purchase
19:15 Techrights-sec2; oddly in one case the Apple hardware was much cheaper than the Dell system
19:15 Techrights-sec2; of comparable specs
19:25 schestowitz-TR; it's finalised now
19:26 Techrights-sec2; checking
19:27 Techrights-sec2; ok
19:27 Techrights-sec2; but the last sentence is not finished
19:28 schestowitz-TR; grammatically it seems OK
19:32 schestowitz-TR; apple has a "starter" kit [sic]
19:32 schestowitz-TR; so maybe on the 'low end' they discard some stock
19:32 schestowitz-TR; or desperate to show they can still sell
19:32 schestowitz-TR; they cannot blame "supply chain" for eternity
19:32 schestowitz-TR; and the MS/APPL-preloaded PCs are just little prisons
19:32 schestowitz-TR; that later help them upsell or charge on top
19:32 schestowitz-TR; so the price on the PC is misleading
19:32 schestowitz-TR; Chromebooks, unless "fixed", are rentals you can take away and keep
19:32 schestowitz-TR; so we have a 'brandless' problem here
19:32 schestowitz-TR; and saying "boycott Microsoft" won't solve ALL the issues
19:32 schestowitz-TR; we need to talk about the concept, IMHO
19:33 schestowitz-TR; some people move from wiundows to apple
19:33 schestowitz-TR; as an act of rebellion
19:33 schestowitz-TR; because they don't know that the underlying issue is
19:33 schestowitz-TR; they think it's just some cliches and logos
19:33 schestowitz-TR; and carlin had wise words about US "choice"
19:33 schestowitz-TR; and how meaningless that can be
19:33 schestowitz-TR; I can find the clip, so can you if yoiu search "carlin choice"
19:34 schestowitz-TR; back in the IBM says we called it "swapping masters" (over a decade ago; the word or metaphor was acceptable
19:34 schestowitz-TR; then)
19:34 schestowitz-TR; because it's like a slave being traded but not in fact liberated
19:34 schestowitz-TR; hands changed
19:34 schestowitz-TR; then hands chained
19:36 Techrights-sec2; back in the PPC days the hardware was simply bettere
19:36 Techrights-sec2; now it's just overpriced x86 garbage
19:36 Techrights-sec2; with proprietary additions
19:36 Techrights-sec2; now with the M2 the hardware is worse and locked-in
19:36 Techrights-sec2; they've even ported speculative execution exploits into the M2
19:37 schestowitz-TR; I hope the flow od epo documents stops soon
19:38 schestowitz-TR; it's important but a bit fatiguing
19:38 schestowitz-TR; I might take a nap before the 1am shift
19:38 schestowitz-TR; and then do a video on some topic
19:38 schestowitz-TR; bbl
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20:18 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Isn't there a way around the VAT, like shipping a computer from the US?
20:18 DaemonFC; I mean, certainly there's a lot of sellers here that don't give a shit about collecting VAT tax.
20:19 DaemonFC; Avoiding taxes is difficult, but it's the moral thing to do.
20:19 DaemonFC; Propping up a state that steals from you to give to someone else is immoral.
20:20 DaemonFC; There's a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.
20:20 DaemonFC; In that tax evasion is also tax avoidance, but you break some law to do that.
20:20 DaemonFC; And breaking the law isn't terribly smart, especially when you'll get caught. So it's important to avoid taxes as much as the law lets you get by with.
20:21 DaemonFC; I could be mistaken, but I think VAT taxes are something the seller is supposed to collect and remit before the sale, so if you buy something that hasn't had VAT collected, that's not your responsibility, right?
20:22 DaemonFC; Or maybe it works like it does with state sales taxes, where you're supposed to declare the difference between what you paid out of state and what your state sales taxes are and square up the difference as use tax at the end of the year.
20:22 DaemonFC; Which nobody did, which is why the states went to the Supreme Court to reverse their 1992 decision on this.
20:24 DaemonFC; Still, Wisconsin has sales tax holidays around Back to School time, so you can go up there and get all of the clothes and big ticket stuff you need and come back down to Illinois with it. The problem is that Illinois wants their money and if you pay with a credit card, they know what you did.
20:24 schestowitz-TR; I asked about food
20:24 DaemonFC; It's not unheard of to get a letter from the DOR saying "We saw you went up to Wisconsin during a tax holiday and bought $5,000 worth of stuff. You declared that you didn't owe us any use tax. Here's what you owe us, plus interest, and a fine.".
20:26 DaemonFC; The banks that do business in Illinois have to turn over their bank records to Illinois. So Illinois DOR has a matching program. It knows what all the rates are in other states and how much stuff you bought. So if it's a few bucks, probably nothing happens. If you owe then $400-500, you'll get a letter demanding payment.
20:27 DaemonFC; On their website, which probably nobody reads, it warns that this can happen.
20:27 DaemonFC; So if you do go up there on a tax holiday, bring cash.
20:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Did you see that the US Supreme Court got rid of the Miranda Warning?
20:28 DaemonFC; "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you can not afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you by the court."
20:28 DaemonFC; The police don't have to warn you anymore.
20:29 DaemonFC; You can't sue them if they don't. And it's much less likely that anything you say without being warned will get thrown out of evidence.
20:29 DaemonFC; You still have those rights, but they don't have to tell you.
20:29 DaemonFC; Indiana doesn't have "free" public defenders for the indigent.
20:29 DaemonFC; They have a "sliding scale fee" for the public defender.
20:29 schestowitz-TR; yes, I read about SCOTUS doing that
20:30 schestowitz-TR; next stage is, more powers for cops
20:30 schestowitz-TR; and more guns
20:30 DaemonFC; So it's not uncommon to see the courts taking a guy who has no job and sending him a $500-600 bill for the public defender, who is only there so that they can say you got a minimal legal defense while they were railroading you.
20:31 DaemonFC; They just add it to what you owe the court, and then to make sure you pay, they deduct it from your bail money that you coughed up so you didn't have to sit in jail for a year waiting on them to get around to you for a misdemeanor.
20:32 DaemonFC; The courts in Indiana only move swiftly if you bonded out of jail.
20:32 DaemonFC; If you can't afford to bond out of jail, they frequently take five or six times longer to get you into court.
20:32 DaemonFC; The idea is they'll sweat a confession out of you because they'll end up sentencing you to less time than you were already sitting in jail waiting for your hearings.
20:33 DaemonFC; The maximum jail term for a misdemeanor is 364 days in jail.
20:33 DaemonFC; So they just leave you sitting in jail for a year if you can't bond out so you'll confess to a lesser offense or something just to get out of jail.
20:34 DaemonFC; The longer you stay quiet and don't confess, the longer you end up waiting in jail.
20:34 DaemonFC; This is why nearly everyone charged with a misdemeanor is convicted of a misdemeanor.
20:35 DaemonFC; Even if you didn't do it, or it's not as bad as they allege, you know you'll be sitting in jail anyway, and most likely end up being convicted anyway, so at least by confessing you get out sooner.
20:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, What happened to me was essentially charge and sentence bargaining. And it ended up being probably most directly comparable to a police caution in your system.
20:36 schestowitz-TR; like plea bargain?
20:37 DaemonFC; Yeah. I told the prosecutor I absolutely would not confess to a violent crime, ever, and that if he insisted on it, we were going to court and I would demand that he produce John and Luis and I'd take my chances in front of a jury.
20:37 DaemonFC; So it ended up being like "Okay, what do you want?".
20:38 DaemonFC; I say , "I'm not going past a Class C Misdemeanor and I'm not going to jail, and I'm not going to have a conviction on my record. Figure something out.".
20:38 DaemonFC; So then it was like "How is court supervision on Disorderly Conduct?".
20:40 DaemonFC; Like, he'd probably win on the original charges, but I would make it the absolute most hassle on him that I could to get there and I definitely wasn't confessing to that, so unless he wanted to carve out a few days just for me with everything else going on in this county.....
20:41 DaemonFC; Sometimes you can't win, but you can make it too much of a bother to fight you.
20:41 DaemonFC; There's few surprises in court, so basically I had my attorney give the prosecutor a preview of what our strategy would be in court.
20:42 DaemonFC; I was going to plead not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect and say that I went temporarily insane due to a combination of underlying mental illness and mental suffering inflicted by John, which finally boiled over when he brought Luis into the house.
20:42 DaemonFC; "I temporarily took leave of my sanity and I'm better right now."
20:43 DaemonFC; It's better to get diverted to psychiatrists than to be convicted and sent to jail, schestowitz-TR
20:43 DaemonFC; The psychiatrists will fuck around with your medicine and eventually get tired of you.
20:43 DaemonFC; Jail is jail, and a conviction is a conviction.
20:44 DaemonFC; When they send a person to a psychiatrist, usually what happens is that eventually the psychiatrist declares that their intervention was a success, when in fact it was not.
20:44 DaemonFC; And then they move right along.
20:44 schestowitz-TR; did you see what we said about LT?
20:44 DaemonFC; Nope.
20:45 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I'm now on four prescription drugs.
20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> yeah they try everything to get at him. Remember 20 years ago the business
20:45 DaemonFC; I'm a miracle of modern medicine.
20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack of
20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> a suit and tie; They just could not get their tiny minds around the idea
20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> that he did not wear a tie. They tried similar against Fuckerberg but he
20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> was already complying by then
20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as well
20:45 schestowitz-TR; you were mention here earlier
20:45 DaemonFC; Yes, what we project is more important than what we are, Roy
20:46 DaemonFC; If you want to be successful at manipulating others, you have to create an appearance for them to base their opinions on.
20:47 DaemonFC; Most people in your life who make important decisions about you interact with you for 10 or 20 minutes. It's important for them to see you in the way that ensures the correct outcome.
20:49 DaemonFC; It's better to have a chameleonic personality than it is to have a fixed one. You can always revert to your true personality later when it matters less.
20:50 DaemonFC; I've figured out different ways to present myself. Sometimes it's desirable to portray yourself as having an average or low intelligence so you don't appear threatening or very capable of being deceitful.
20:50 DaemonFC; It forces people, subconsciously, to let their guard down, and it makes it easier to get what you need and move on.
20:51 DaemonFC; A big important concept in law is intent, even when the law theoretically doesn't make intent an important factor.
20:52 DaemonFC; You will be punished much more severely if the prosecutor proves you knew it was wrong, didn't care, and proceeded anyway.
20:52 DaemonFC; Therefore, it is always useful to prove you did not knowingly break the law or did not intend to, or that you had no knowledge of the law, or that you were duped into breaking the law.
20:53 DaemonFC; You can lower your culpability by showing that you didn't know what the law was, have imperfect understanding of the facts that set up your guilt, or that you have diminished capacity which made it, at least for a time, impossible to understand what you were doing.
20:54 DaemonFC; I blacked out while I was doing that. I don't remember doing that.
20:54 DaemonFC; If people tell you that you're doing something wrong, say "I don't want to know that, and I didn't hear what you just said.".
20:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I told a lawyer something once and she said. "I'm sorry, I didn't hear you say that." and I went to repeat myself and she said "I don't think you should repeat whatever it is you just said.".
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