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1 AM, June 24

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3 AM, June 24

03:05 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/24/number-of-covid-19-patients-in-hospital-increased-68-44-so-far-this-month/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/24/number-of-covid-19-patients-in-hospital-increased-68-44-so-far-this-month/

03:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This Month


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5 AM, June 24

05:34 Techrights-sec2; a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub. -1 for it being on

05:34 Techrights-sec2; GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all. That is the way it should be done

05:34 Techrights-sec2; It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legible

05:34 Techrights-sec2; But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attacked

05:34 Techrights-sec2; a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub. -1 for it being on

05:34 Techrights-sec2; GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all. That is the way it should be done

05:34 Techrights-sec2; It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legible

05:34 Techrights-sec2; But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attacked

05:35 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft can now interfere directly, no need for lobbyists

05:35 schestowitz-TR; they can censor people with CoC etc

05:49 Techrights-sec2; yes the right way would be for the congress to host its own Git service and own

05:49 Techrights-sec2; issue tracker


6 AM, June 24

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06:51 schestowitz-TR; do you find the latest epo coverage illumating wrt the issues?

06:51 schestowitz-TR; or do you suggest improving it for general audiences?

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7 AM, June 24

07:18 Techrights-sec2; checking

07:18 Techrights-sec2; some additional general audience posts would help. the current ones are good

07:18 Techrights-sec2; of course but some specifically made for general audiences would always

07:18 Techrights-sec2; be beneficial for outreach

07:18 Techrights-sec2; I'm starting to see just how catastrophic the reduction in skilled / knowledgeable ICT people is world-wide; There are few to none forthcoming through off

07:18 Techrights-sec2; icial

07:18 Techrights-sec2; channels and many of the official pipelines are set up to cull out people with

07:18 Techrights-sec2; interest + talent so that only microsoft resellers remain with credentials

07:21 schestowitz-TR; you say "resellers"

07:21 schestowitz-TR; in my experience, it's not limited to "Microsoft"

07:21 schestowitz-TR; but buzzwords and cargo cults like SaaS (outSaarCing) and clown

07:21 schestowitz-TR; which means there is lessened likelihood of companies having any infra at all

07:21 schestowitz-TR; never mind the fake security BS

07:21 schestowitz-TR; which I am starting to loathe more and more

07:21 schestowitz-TR; seems like more and more data collection/spying

07:21 schestowitz-TR; sold to us as "security"

07:21 schestowitz-TR; even at shops

07:21 schestowitz-TR; re epo, we have a intro you wrote in 2011, still at top of wiki listings

07:21 schestowitz-TR; being a wiki, it can be expanded upon

07:21 schestowitz-TR; main barrier is lack of media participation

07:21 schestowitz-TR; we cannot bribe or "buy" space like EPO or LF or Microsoft/ICBM

07:22 Techrights-sec2; yes but occasional summaries of current events, tying them to the old intro,

07:22 Techrights-sec2; would be attractive; the logical fallacy 'appeal to novelty' is valid

07:22 Techrights-sec2; yes lack of media participation is still a problem but they won't look at "old"

07:22 Techrights-sec2; news only "new" news so the posts have to be new

07:24 schestowitz-TR; Snowden leaks are "old" :)

07:24 schestowitz-TR; WW2 is "old"

07:24 schestowitz-TR; Esptein's circle is "old"

07:24 schestowitz-TR; BTW, good news about netflix

07:24 schestowitz-TR; all those bubbleCorps need to die

07:24 schestowitz-TR; not get bailed out

07:24 schestowitz-TR; make no money?

07:24 schestowitz-TR; then WTF are you still doing in business?

07:24 schestowitz-TR; you are a yoke!

07:24 Techrights-sec2; https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Novelty

↺ https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Novelty

07:24 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.logicallyfallacious.com | Appeal to Novelty

07:26 schestowitz-TR; TR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty"

07:26 schestowitz-TR; and also some memes

07:26 schestowitz-TR; with examples of how "new" means worse than what we had before

07:26 schestowitz-TR; ytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps"

07:26 schestowitz-TR; reminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffers

07:26 schestowitz-TR; TR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty"

07:26 schestowitz-TR; and also some memes

07:26 schestowitz-TR; with examples of how "new" means worse than what we had before

07:26 schestowitz-TR; ytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps"

07:26 schestowitz-TR; reminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffers

07:27 Techrights-sec2; For over 20 years, the appeal to novely fallacy has been the backbone of

07:27 Techrights-sec2; sales in computer hardware and proprietary software; Thus there are several

07:27 Techrights-sec2; work generations of people trained to accept it. So the cost of doing out

07:27 Techrights-sec2; reach is the occasional "new" article/

07:27 Techrights-sec2; Something better than ytalk could be made with python and mqtt; the bash-based

07:27 Techrights-sec2; test showed that but Bash alone was not quite up to the task.

07:29 Techrights-sec2; https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty

↺ https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty

07:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rationalwiki.org | Appeal to novelty - RationalWiki

07:29 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "The Famine Is Coming" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/global_food_shortage_crisis_ukraine_russia | Source: Democracy Now

↺ https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/global_food_shortage_crisis_ukraine_russia

07:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | The Famine Is Coming: War in Ukraine & Climate Crisis Contribute to Food Insecurity in Somalia | Democracy Now!

07:31 schestowitz-TR; the depressiing news is coming

07:31 schestowitz-TR; but I posted one batch of links already

07:31 schestowitz-TR; I need to leave a pocket of time available constantly

07:31 schestowitz-TR; for breaking epo news

07:35 schestowitz-TR; for people to whom expensive food means no food desperate measures open up

07:35 schestowitz-TR; murders, smuggling, theft, hoarding, revolutions

07:35 schestowitz-TR; ukraine was a grain capital for some

07:35 schestowitz-TR; and then there's the gas prices

07:35 schestowitz-TR; I hope we can keep those expenses down with discounts and smarter usage

07:35 schestowitz-TR; to avoid burning away savings

07:35 schestowitz-TR; I always lugh at "smart" meters "saving energy"; afaik, they are powered by... electricity ;-)

07:37 Techrights-sec2; Yes, EPO news is among the highest priority; TR is uniquely positioned to

07:37 Techrights-sec2; cover it

07:37 Techrights-sec2; yep food shortages mean more wars and human trafficking, as well as useful idiots feeding both

07:37 Techrights-sec2; Ukraine also produced neon which was used for semiconductor manufacturing

07:37 Techrights-sec2; I don't see any benefit from the attributes associated with "smart" meters

07:37 Techrights-sec2; there is a long list of disadvantages, though

07:43 schestowitz-TR; we wrote a lot about it

07:43 schestowitz-TR; to complement we can add more daily links, yesterday we did about 5 batches and this past week more than 20

07:43 schestowitz-TR; I think this tempo is healthier as it puts important news in titles, e.g. release of xyz

07:43 schestowitz-TR; I know many people who read these over rss

07:43 schestowitz-TR; it is quite a unique thing in the free software world

07:43 schestowitz-TR; some tried to emulate it over the years but gave up

07:43 schestowitz-TR; it did not scale, they did not have the tools, the feeds etc.

07:43 schestowitz-TR; or the time

07:43 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I see articles about "smart" cars

07:43 schestowitz-TR; or "autonomous" cars

07:43 schestowitz-TR; I have hands-on experiencece (programming) with the latter

07:43 schestowitz-TR; it's BS

07:43 schestowitz-TR; like face rec

07:43 schestowitz-TR; soem of the methods envisioned are unbelievable!

07:43 schestowitz-TR; like connected ALL the cars

07:43 schestowitz-TR; and manage them in "the clown"

07:43 schestowitz-TR; like "smart" assistants which do all the processing in server farms

07:43 schestowitz-TR; meaning the audio is retained somewhere

07:43 schestowitz-TR; not by accident

07:43 schestowitz-TR; to them, it's spying. to you, it's "savings" (offloading)

07:43 schestowitz-TR; there are already listening devices in a lot of cars

07:43 schestowitz-TR; you can insurance "discounts" for playing ball

07:45 schestowitz-TR; 1) a car on the road that's remotely controlled can be used to kill you in your "dumb" car

07:46 schestowitz-TR; 2) this is not limited to cars (anymore?) as homes have devices in them that can be used

07:46 schestowitz-TR; to convict/frame tenants

07:49 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Food Shortage or Economic Crisis https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/food_crisis_sanctions_russia_ukraine_climate | Source: Democracy Now

↺ https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/food_crisis_sanctions_russia_ukraine_climate

07:49 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | Food Shortage or Economic Crisis? Experts Say Poverty & Capitalism Are Real Drivers of Global Hunger | Democracy Now!

07:53 schestowitz-TR; reinforced by MAD MAX

07:53 schestowitz-TR; as if you can eat cars and oil

07:54 Techrights-sec2; MadMax was always confusing, the show would have ended after a few days once the

07:54 Techrights-sec2; fuel tanks ran empty; again that goes to much of the world holding cars so

07:54 Techrights-sec2; sacred and holy that they cannot even imagine the idea of no fuel even in a

07:54 Techrights-sec2; "post-apocolyptic" collapse

07:55 schestowitz-TR; don't worry, they'll stock up on it... in plastic bags if necessary ;-)

07:55 schestowitz-TR; chemistry 101

07:55 Techrights-sec2; yes; those 55-gallon trashbags are cheap and can hold lots of fuel for use

07:55 Techrights-sec2; later; :/

07:56 schestowitz-TR; Mad Max plastgic bag edition

07:56 Techrights-sec2; https://www.carscoops.com/2021/05/government-urges-people-not-to-fill-up-plastic-bags-with-gasoline/

↺ https://www.carscoops.com/2021/05/government-urges-people-not-to-fill-up-plastic-bags-with-gasoline/

07:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Government Urges People Not To Fill Up Plastic Bags With Gasoline | Carscoops

07:58 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> EFF is dead to me. Recommends Privacy-Infringing Microsoft-Run DuckDuckGo that spies on you!! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/security-and-privacy-tips-people-seeking-abortion | Source: EFF

↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/security-and-privacy-tips-people-seeking-abortion

07:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Security and Privacy Tips for People Seeking An Abortion | Electronic Frontier Foundation

07:58 schestowitz-TR; same gov. that needed to tell people in FL not to fire their rifles at the hurricane

07:58 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if any planes or birds got hitr

07:58 schestowitz-TR; bunch of geico cavemen

07:58 Techrights-sec2; https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-suggest-nuking-hurricanes-1535171

↺ https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-suggest-nuking-hurricanes-1535171

07:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newsweek.com | Fact-Check: Did Donald Trump Suggest Nuking Hurricanes?

07:59 Techrights-sec2; EFF has been running opposite to its charter for a long time

07:59 Techrights-sec2; It's not incompetence, it's malice


8 AM, June 24

08:00 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Why did EFF leave out Microsoft??? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/bipartisan-digital-advertising-act-would-break-big-trackers | Source: EFF

↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/bipartisan-digital-advertising-act-would-break-big-trackers

08:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | The Bipartisan Digital Advertising Act Would Break Up Big Trackers | Electronic Frontier Foundation

08:06 Techrights-sec2; EFF probably has M$ sympathizers working against digital freedom from the inside

08:06 Techrights-sec2; :(

08:06 Techrights-sec2; PBS also is thoroughly infiltrated

08:07 schestowitz-TR; publicaccess put a Microsoft employee inside the board

08:07 schestowitz-TR; the rats infest the orgs

08:07 schestowitz-TR; PBS is literally bribed by Bill Gates

08:07 schestowitz-TR; for over a decade already

08:07 schestowitz-TR; maybe the bribes could be funneled via Jeffrey Esptein

08:07 schestowitz-TR; oh, wait

08:07 schestowitz-TR; no.

08:07 schestowitz-TR; "well, he's dead"

08:08 Techrights-sec2; not just that, but infiltrated at the staff level

08:08 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:11 schestowitz-TR; the media as a whole has become a catastrophic clusterfuck

08:11 schestowitz-TR; where you just buy articles about yourself

08:11 schestowitz-TR; I mentioned this in the 30-min video last night

08:11 schestowitz-TR; and the solution to this, imho, is rejection of such media

08:12 schestowitz-TR; but it uses its size to invade everything

08:12 schestowitz-TR; e.g. zer-rating

08:12 Techrights-sec2; that's a natural and predictable progression from moving to ad-based revenue

08:14 schestowitz-TR; i mentioned bbc a lot

08:14 schestowitz-TR; and how it spikes epo coverage

08:14 schestowitz-TR; bbc (yes, layoffs!) violated its charter

08:14 schestowitz-TR; while using tax money to run (TV Licensing) it also took bribes from criminals like Gates

08:14 schestowitz-TR; and poorly vetted managers

08:14 schestowitz-TR; e.g. people from Microsoft UK

08:14 schestowitz-TR; as if this won't leave to issues

08:14 schestowitz-TR; so I boytcott the billBC entirely these days

08:14 schestowitz-TR; also for footbal and weather

08:14 schestowitz-TR; and I urge others to do the same

08:14 schestowitz-TR; rianne still reads it though

08:15 Techrights-sec2; I skim one page of it but generally avoid picking any artice if they are

08:15 Techrights-sec2; available elsewhere

08:15 schestowitz-TR; the risk of brain brainwashed by bad actors like Microsoft and rogues like Gates is just too high

08:15 schestowitz-TR; I would not even enter any address of bbc

08:15 Techrights-sec2; yes

08:15 Techrights-sec2; and, by the way, the links on their main page are /still/ broken even after

08:15 Techrights-sec2; all these years; It is clear they have not competent management and no

08:15 Techrights-sec2; comptetent IT staff and *no one* in between who gives a shit

08:16 schestowitz-TR; farnell USED to work there

08:16 schestowitz-TR; I know abother person in USENET who did

08:16 schestowitz-TR; now instead of tech they havr resellers

08:16 schestowitz-TR; like iPlayer scandals

08:18 Techrights-sec2; I know at least one person who worked there but that was decades ago back

08:18 Techrights-sec2; when it was of reasonably high quality

08:18 Techrights-sec2; Even more than PBS, BBC has been infiltrated by microsofters

08:18 Techrights-sec2; at the staff and management levels

08:23 schestowitz-TR; this past week I saw 2 or 3 new spam domains that plagiarise news

08:23 schestowitz-TR; I did not add to spamSites

08:23 schestowitz-TR; as I do not know if you funnel in anything form gulag noise

08:23 schestowitz-TR; but over time I think we can develop a better workflow and somehow organise news

08:23 schestowitz-TR; with focus on s/w

08:23 schestowitz-TR; not brands, real software

08:23 Techrights-sec2; It'd be good to add them to spam sites, because I have seen quite a few new

08:23 Techrights-sec2; spam domains recenly also

08:23 schestowitz-TR; OK, if I see these a second or third time I will add

08:23 schestowitz-TR; maybe they get culled fast enough

08:24 Techrights-sec2; Though maybe the threshold for adding ought to be if they are slick enough to

08:24 Techrights-sec2; get through once, then they can be added to ensure that it does not happen again

08:24 Techrights-sec2; Some are still around. About once a week the spamsite checking script catches

08:24 Techrights-sec2; one that would have otherwise gotten through. I notice that many such sites

08:24 Techrights-sec2; are trying to piggyback on FOSS to get through somehow. Also, the

08:24 Techrights-sec2; Bill Gates testimony videos appear to be circulated by fringe groups, probably

08:24 Techrights-sec2; in an attempt to further marginalize criticism of His Billness

08:28 Techrights-sec2; on another topic the publisher Springer pushes some DOCX variant

08:29 schestowitz-TR; for full published words?

08:29 schestowitz-TR; or drafts of some kind?

08:30 schestowitz-TR; *works

08:33 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "People who have never even been charged with a crime can have their life savings taken away. Thats civil asset forfeiture." https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/23/john-kiriakou-robbed-by-law-enforcement/ | Source: Scheerpost

↺ https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/23/john-kiriakou-robbed-by-law-enforcement/

08:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-John Kiriakou: Robbed by Law Enforcement scheerpost.com

08:35 Techrights-sec2; for "Electronic Supplementary Material"

08:35 schestowitz-TR; springer = sharecropping

08:35 schestowitz-TR; a friend of mine published a book with them

08:36 schestowitz-TR; it did not sell well (they do not market)

08:36 schestowitz-TR; and they take the lion's share of money

08:36 schestowitz-TR; i think they just print on demand

08:36 schestowitz-TR; it's a parasitic company

08:36 Techrights-sec2; yes Springer is not healthy for higher institutions

08:36 schestowitz-TR; privatising surplus, like patents pursued by unix

08:36 schestowitz-TR; *unis

08:40 Techrights-sec2; patents are usually never held by the universities which set them up

08:40 Techrights-sec2; they are usually spun off into a startup so that the profits elude

08:40 Techrights-sec2; the financer

08:40 Techrights-sec2; and ensure that there is no economic return for the university

08:40 Techrights-sec2; they stand for the cost; sadly they are less involved with basic research these

08:40 Techrights-sec2; days and more and more for inappropriate business development

08:42 schestowitz-TR; in 2012 (IIRC) I went for a job interview where I had stufied sine 2003 (phd)

08:42 schestowitz-TR; and one interviewer was my former supervisor

08:42 schestowitz-TR; the other was some "business" something

08:42 schestowitz-TR; which I deemed not appropriate

08:42 schestowitz-TR; for an academic position

08:42 schestowitz-TR; they start viewing the institute from the lens of money

08:42 schestowitz-TR; as a student, you produce a lot of work for them

08:42 schestowitz-TR; all they give back is a desk and a PC

08:42 schestowitz-TR; and those too are just "leased"

08:42 schestowitz-TR; so that diploma mill is highly exploitative


9 AM, June 24

09:02 Techrights-sec2; I wonder if some kind of press sheet or summary page would be useful,

09:02 Techrights-sec2; like the old one but updated

09:02 schestowitz-TR; in what context? can you elaborate a bit? rereading did not help...

09:09 Techrights-sec2; there are several concurrent topics, which one?

09:10 schestowitz-TR; the one about "press sheet"

09:10 schestowitz-TR; I try to do 4-5 daily links batches and atm prioritise epo internal docs/leaks

09:12 Techrights-sec2; oh. that was about the old summary made a long time ago,

09:12 Techrights-sec2; perhaps it would be useful to do a new one with a /slight/ focus on the

09:12 Techrights-sec2; upcoming actions

09:12 Techrights-sec2; something to get an interested journalist an overview

09:13 schestowitz-TR; many of them are compromised

09:13 schestowitz-TR; I said last night that ime it would almost be a waste of time contacting politicians and press

09:14 schestowitz-TR; based on my experience

09:14 schestowitz-TR; btw, I've just noticed no irc logs for today

09:14 schestowitz-TR; I ran ipfs 2 minutes late today, I hope it did not mess up the pipeline

09:14 Techrights-sec2; checking

09:17 schestowitz-TR; re press heet

09:17 schestowitz-TR; sheet

09:17 schestowitz-TR; my supervisor told me ages age it would take HOURS just to write an abstract

09:17 schestowitz-TR; of course AFTER you spend MONTHS going through peer review

09:17 schestowitz-TR; which is days' worth of work

09:17 schestowitz-TR; you might get 100 views just on the abstract online

09:18 schestowitz-TR; maybe 10 will bother reading what you spent months on

09:18 schestowitz-TR; that put me off academia

09:18 schestowitz-TR; I could get better number on the www

09:18 schestowitz-TR; so you end up with scholars who produced 40 papers in 40 years (age 25-65)

09:18 schestowitz-TR; and barely had real impact other than "teaching many students"

09:18 schestowitz-TR; and "marking up many exams"

09:18 schestowitz-TR; not fulfillinf imho

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09:19 Techrights-sec2; checking

09:19 Techrights-sec2; yes the papers end up being mostly filler

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09:21 schestowitz-TR; good scholars, top guns, might put hundreds in GOOD journalists

09:21 schestowitz-TR; that actually DO GET READ

09:21 schestowitz-TR; and maybe attract some media attention for one day in a year

09:21 schestowitz-TR; but those are rare

09:21 schestowitz-TR; and limited to top unis

09:21 schestowitz-TR; of course the media snd BS films like Beautioful Mind tell you only about the "success stories"

09:21 schestowitz-TR; same for the "music" (copyright) industry

09:21 schestowitz-TR; those "success stories" often end up dying from drug overdoses

09:21 schestowitz-TR; /s/jopurnlists/jorunals

09:21 schestowitz-TR; conference papepr = some little ~20 min talk or poster, with some paper that goes with it

09:21 schestowitz-TR; and almost nobody reads... probably a reused paper from some failed journal submission

09:21 schestowitz-TR; or slight improvement over it

09:25 Techrights-sec2; That film was BS put out by the banskters to try to (wrongly) lend an air

09:25 Techrights-sec2; of legitimacy to their fraud.

09:25 Techrights-sec2; posters have little to no impact, for most participants they are just

09:25 Techrights-sec2; scenery; few get looked at even superficially; hardly none at all get

09:25 Techrights-sec2; examined with any level of interest

09:25 schestowitz-TR; the www is on 'borrowed' time imho

09:25 schestowitz-TR; but I cannot tell you how things will pan out

09:25 schestowitz-TR; I can guess, but only for 1-2 years

09:25 schestowitz-TR; as a medium, it's becomigng obsolete

09:25 schestowitz-TR; as it's not for pages anymore

09:25 schestowitz-TR; it's a canvas

09:25 schestowitz-TR; the rendering is done by proprietary programs from the server, not thre browser

09:27 schestowitz-TR; (top clarify, the server executes locally AND remotely)

09:27 schestowitz-TR; the codde you get with the chrome (or clone) binary does not do the heavy lifting, it's like a 'runtime')

09:27 schestowitz-TR; compared gulag news in 2005 to the 'web' 'page' it is in 2022

09:31 Techrights-sec2; yes the main thing is that it can't handle the way it's being misused;

09:31 Techrights-sec2; browsers are being used as VMs to run applications sourced from unauthenticated

09:31 Techrights-sec2; distributed sources

09:31 Techrights-sec2; the server only sends the applications, all the processing is done locally

09:31 Techrights-sec2; in the client, as if it were a VM, no matter how inefficient that is

09:31 Techrights-sec2; I'd hate to begin to calculate the gigawatts of electricty wasted repeatedly

09:31 Techrights-sec2; running the same scripts again and again around the world in various clients

09:31 Techrights-sec2; when the same thing could have been run once on the server and cached for a

09:31 Techrights-sec2; while

09:32 Techrights-sec2; pages aren't pages anymore, they are "apps" and even some of the kids these days

09:32 *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell

09:32 Techrights-sec2; refer to them as such, it's done out of ignorance but still they are correct

09:32 *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-i33.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell

09:32 *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell

09:32 Techrights-sec2; albeit by accident

09:32 schestowitz-TR; some sites till take the right and "traditional" approach

09:32 schestowitz-TR; those are also a lot easier to convert to hugo, gemini etc.

09:32 schestowitz-TR; so the technical detb associated with keeping alive for many years is vastly reduced

09:32 schestowitz-TR; many news sites are pu offline as sys admins are "expensive" and totally necessary to run those sites

09:32 schestowitz-TR; so over the LONG run they're out and we're still in the ring

09:32 schestowitz-TR; sometimes they keep online static copies with very broken layout and no images, etc.

09:32 schestowitz-TR; withh weird URLs long not indexed by anything, not seen by anyone

09:33 Techrights-sec2; Google does not index very much any more, somehow it seems they are easing out

09:33 Techrights-sec2; of that business

09:34 *liberty_box_ (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell

09:37 Techrights-sec2; "shareholders" is just an excuse and distracts from the real reason but

09:37 Techrights-sec2; it works since few look past that

09:39 schestowitz-TR; not just that

09:39 schestowitz-TR; I've said something to that effect

09:39 schestowitz-TR; the goal isn't fairness or archiving material

09:39 schestowitz-TR; theyd delete at will anything

09:39 schestowitz-TR; because the shareholders don't value those sorts of things

09:39 schestowitz-TR; and you SHOULD NEVER RELY ON ANY CORPRORATION TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR OWN INTERESTS

09:39 schestowitz-TR; or site... like JoinDiaspora

09:39 schestowitz-TR; it's a wrong, risky assumption

09:40 schestowitz-TR; they would mess around with you and your work which they do not value

09:40 schestowitz-TR; it's about their, not your, bottom line

09:40 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube killed off many hard-working "reators"

09:40 schestowitz-TR; that's one heck of a thank-you

09:40 schestowitz-TR; because their videos are harder to "monetise"

09:40 schestowitz-TR; one dya gulag might say, pay us to keep online videos older than 5 years

09:40 schestowitz-TR; and some people might pay

09:40 schestowitz-TR; like old sites/journals/news sources that start paywalling their archives

09:40 schestowitz-TR; so they say you need to pay x for some article from the 1980s that you need

09:40 schestowitz-TR; or so-called 'acamemic' (private) publishers

09:40 schestowitz-TR; that demand you pay them money to access your own papers

09:40 schestowitz-TR; shareholders become the state when a lot of money (high revenue, little investment, i.e. high profit/turnout) is stuff like

09:40 schestowitz-TR; "Maven" and "defence" budget. Then you can throw whole channels like "RT" under the bus

09:40 schestowitz-TR; nothing to do with shareholders per se

09:40 schestowitz-TR; it's quid pro quo

09:40 schestowitz-TR; and to them the "creators" are 'collateral damage'

09:40 schestowitz-TR; is that video still online BTW? Maybe won't be for long..

09:40 schestowitz-TR; "community guidelines"... "sign in to view"... nothing showing up in search results

09:40 schestowitz-TR; (both Gulag Search and YouTube Search)

09:40 schestowitz-TR; for your own protection

09:46 schestowitz-TR; looking at your dad's papers

09:46 schestowitz-TR; many similarities

09:46 schestowitz-TR; ResearchBillGates (ye, bribed by Bill)

09:49 schestowitz-TR; indexes like these, much like Gulag "scholar"/"news"/"search", are bogus and faux

09:49 schestowitz-TR; because there is scarce indexing of old work

09:49 schestowitz-TR; no incentive to crawl further back

09:49 schestowitz-TR; and so the calculated sums naturally favour recent stuff

09:49 schestowitz-TR; I ignore impact factors and all those "scores"

09:49 schestowitz-TR; it is like social control media

09:49 schestowitz-TR; there were sites like KLOUT for this

09:49 schestowitz-TR; they vanished

09:49 schestowitz-TR; they just scanned a bunch of "tweets" and tried to assign

09:49 schestowitz-TR; "importance" to people

09:49 schestowitz-TR; as if "tweets" are worth a f* s*

09:50 schestowitz-TR; or "angegement" is a measure of merit

09:50 schestowitz-TR; you could be posting photos of some stuff and get many "likes"

09:50 schestowitz-TR; photos from some holiday

09:50 schestowitz-TR; or even sexually explicit

09:54 schestowitz-TR; in the UK, going into administration

09:54 schestowitz-TR; means something like Chapter 11

09:54 schestowitz-TR; in the US

09:54 schestowitz-TR; you waneted to say administration works like that in the US

09:54 schestowitz-TR; I knew what you mean the next line

09:54 schestowitz-TR; ironically, it feels like working in a uiniversity's admin these days

09:54 schestowitz-TR; does mean the same

09:54 schestowitz-TR; crushing the uni or crashing the darn thing into the ground

09:54 schestowitz-TR; to get some golden eggs or foreign students from china

09:54 schestowitz-TR; for the diploma mill the university becomes

09:54 schestowitz-TR; because the brand dilution

09:54 schestowitz-TR; also see: Linux [sic] Foundation


10 AM, June 24

10:00 schestowitz-TR; academia seems to have become shit here maybe 20 years ago

10:00 schestowitz-TR; I was not embedded deeply for long, so cannot verify how or when

10:01 schestowitz-TR; in 2004 or 2003 two universities in Manchester agreed to merge

10:01 schestowitz-TR; one of them, UMIST, not a shiity polytechnic but a lesser university

10:01 schestowitz-TR; with little reputation or tradition

10:01 schestowitz-TR; I was not happy about this

10:01 schestowitz-TR; and insisted that on my degree it should say VICTORIA U of Manchester

10:01 schestowitz-TR; the new merged thing was called the same as the old (original)

10:01 schestowitz-TR; university

10:01 schestowitz-TR; I don't know if this was an "efficincy" move

10:01 schestowitz-TR; to attracty intl' students

10:01 schestowitz-TR; (the 'vash cow')

10:01 schestowitz-TR; but it makde my undergard degree look potentially of less value

10:01 schestowitz-TR; my degree now does say victoria

10:01 schestowitz-TR; but most people cannot tell the difference

10:01 schestowitz-TR; they don't know the hisotry

10:01 schestowitz-TR; there were 3 other unis I could go to and accepted my application

10:07 schestowitz-TR; I've just checked my disploma

10:07 schestowitz-TR; the official one

10:07 schestowitz-TR; they broke the promise

10:07 schestowitz-TR; like when companies merged

10:07 schestowitz-TR; they said we'd be abkle to choose to say "victoria" on it

10:07 schestowitz-TR; of course it does not say that

10:07 schestowitz-TR; people forget the promise/pledge

10:07 schestowitz-TR; and now the degree is associated with the NEW university bearing the same name as the old one

10:07 schestowitz-TR; having said that, some universities had really big blunders

10:07 schestowitz-TR; and those servd to vevalue the diplomas of alumni

10:07 schestowitz-TR; in ours there was this mass rapist from indonesia

10:07 Techrights-sec2; yes, when remineded they whine about being reminded

10:07 Techrights-sec2; ack

10:09 schestowitz-TR; brb workout

10:52 Techrights-sec2; ack

10:54 schestowitz-TR; back

10:54 schestowitz-TR; inconclusive research

10:54 schestowitz-TR; might not be work in progress anymore (exercise thought):

10:54 schestowitz-TR; is jperlow still in lF?

10:54 schestowitz-TR; last blog post 2 months ago

10:54 schestowitz-TR; new guy hired

10:54 schestowitz-TR; I cannot see linkedin (MSFT)

10:54 schestowitz-TR; but twitter says LF research

10:54 Techrights-sec2; good question

10:54 Techrights-sec2; they don't have a staff roster

10:54 Techrights-sec2; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/author/jperlow/

↺ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/author/jperlow/

10:54 Techrights-sec2; he was there at the end of April at least

10:54 schestowitz-TR; so maybe he was assigned to that other fake "department"

10:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Jason Perlow, Author at Linux Foundation

10:54 schestowitz-TR; rather than left

10:54 schestowitz-TR; LF periodically updates a few pages, e.g. board, management, committees

10:55 schestowitz-TR; but the arrival of that new man who knows NADA about Linux coninciding

10:55 schestowitz-TR; with no "perlow" anywhere did make me wonder

10:56 schestowitz-TR; boosting the scam before it fell LOL

10:56 schestowitz-TR; not decentralised

10:56 schestowitz-TR; just another fraud

10:56 schestowitz-TR; but LF gives it veneer of legitimacy

10:56 schestowitz-TR; at the expense of "LINUX"(R)

10:56 schestowitz-TR; "mom, what is Linux?"

10:56 schestowitz-TR; "it's this vaccine passport blockchain WSL thing"

10:59 Techrights-sec2; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jason-squared-two-nerds-talk-tech/id1507265943

↺ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jason-squared-two-nerds-talk-tech/id1507265943

10:59 Techrights-sec2; nothing recent there either

10:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-podcasts.apple.com | Jason Squared: Two Nerds Talk Tech on Apple Podcasts


11 AM, June 24

11:00 schestowitz-TR; vanished around the time we called him out for AGEISM

11:00 schestowitz-TR; and IBM, where he came from

11:00 schestowitz-TR; but I doubt it is in any way related

11:00 schestowitz-TR; I'm sure he can see the weakness of LF from the inside

11:00 schestowitz-TR; they hired him for PR

11:00 Techrights-sec2; https://www.zdnet.com/meet-the-team/us/jason-perlow/#bio

↺ https://www.zdnet.com/meet-the-team/us/jason-perlow/#bio

11:00 Techrights-sec2; ^ blocked by javascript

11:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jason Perlow | US | Meet the Team | ZDNet

11:01 Techrights-sec2; but he wrote at ZDNet last week

11:03 schestowitz-TR; ah, maybe there's something there

11:03 schestowitz-TR; let me check dates...

11:03 schestowitz-TR; 4/4/22 dan whitining makes debut in linux.com

11:03 schestowitz-TR; where jperlow had parked after spamnil vanished

11:03 schestowitz-TR; but then weeks later that NFT BS was posted

11:03 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/04/04/dan-whiting-linux-foundation/

http://techrights.org/2022/04/04/dan-whiting-linux-foundation/

11:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has a New Lead Editor. Like Jim Zemlin, He Doesnt Use Linux. Hes in Love with iPad. | Techrights

11:03 schestowitz-TR; dan allowing

11:04 Techrights-sec2; ack

11:11 schestowitz-TR; our motto: they won't give away their weakness

11:11 schestowitz-TR; same in EPO

11:11 schestowitz-TR; so we must dig in and be inquisittive

11:11 Techrights-sec2; press releases get transcribed into fake articles easily

11:11 Techrights-sec2; I recall one "columnist" who did that for too many years until she got called

11:11 Techrights-sec2; out on it and the paper pulled the plug on her "column"

11:11 schestowitz-TR; as other blogs barely bother

11:11 schestowitz-TR; x y.z released

11:11 schestowitz-TR; linus says...

11:11 schestowitz-TR; but hardly looking for new info

11:11 schestowitz-TR; unless it's spoonfed to them with PR bribes

11:13 schestowitz-TR; microsoft and epo do this a lot

11:13 schestowitz-TR; of course they are not alone

11:13 schestowitz-TR; but it is easier to see when you folloe particular topics and can compare texts, photos etc.

11:13 schestowitz-TR; I get like 40 spam a day

11:13 schestowitz-TR; half of it from pr agencies trying to get me "interested"

11:17 schestowitz-TR; it probably got miles worse ein the "digital" era

11:17 schestowitz-TR; because it became faster and "cheaper"

11:17 schestowitz-TR; I can iomagine how it would be done 50 years ago

11:17 schestowitz-TR; you would need to lick envelopes and find telephone numbers and fax things

11:17 schestowitz-TR; (no fax yet)

11:17 Techrights-sec2; again, it seems that Google is hardly indexing anything any more

11:17 schestowitz-TR; so from an economic POV there was less incentive

11:17 schestowitz-TR; this is why www rapidly becomes "webspam"

11:17 schestowitz-TR; you can whip up a "site" in mintes

11:17 schestowitz-TR; in the USENET newsgroups we used to have fierce arguments about this

11:17 schestowitz-TR; as some people were making fake sites

11:17 schestowitz-TR; and then trying to sneak them into Gulag

11:19 schestowitz-TR; theory: the likes of matt cutts at google (no idea if he still holds that role)

11:19 schestowitz-TR; studies the domain space and coclude x% of domains are spam

11:19 schestowitz-TR; and therefore gulag should be super-apprehensive adding domains it does not know about

11:19 schestowitz-TR; even if they have IBLs (inbound links) because such links can be purchased

11:19 schestowitz-TR; they even penalised for certain IBL patterns

11:21 Techrights-sec2; could be it

11:21 Techrights-sec2; thy're certainly not indexing some legitimate but small sites, even ones hosted

11:21 Techrights-sec2; in data centers and all

11:21 Techrights-sec2; in years past it was enough to put up a site and wait a week or so

11:21 Techrights-sec2; now, nothing

11:21 schestowitz-TR; take it from me (wasted years)

11:21 schestowitz-TR; 1) checking stats is a waste oif time and can be demoralising (a lot of the web is bots)

11:21 schestowitz-TR; 2) enever optimise anything for gulag (SEO is a cargo cult)

11:21 schestowitz-TR; 3) don't add ads to anything. waste of time. hassle.

11:22 Techrights-sec2; Brave, DDG, and Startpage have all indexed the site(s) but not Google

11:22 Techrights-sec2; haven't (and won't) checked Yandex

11:24 schestowitz-TR; should you care?

11:24 schestowitz-TR; is it worth the worry?

11:24 schestowitz-TR; the time could instead be spent doing all sorts of other things

11:24 schestowitz-TR; with more predictable results

11:24 schestowitz-TR; sometimes the host is pooling ip addresses and some other sites on a share servers made it into a blacklist

11:26 schestowitz-TR; the maslow heirarchy of Net: ;-)

11:26 schestowitz-TR; a) your site

11:26 schestowitz-TR; b) the web

11:26 schestowitz-TR; c) web brands

11:26 schestowitz-TR; no web -> no web brands

11:26 schestowitz-TR; a site can be moved to xanadu, gopher etc.

11:45 Techrights-sec2; " In the process, they built a tool which facilitates the large-scale laundering of free software into non-free software by their customers, who GitHub of

11:45 Techrights-sec2; fers plausible deniability through an inscrutable algorithm. "

11:45 Techrights-sec2; https://drewdevault.com/2022/06/23/Copilot-GPL-washing.html

↺ https://drewdevault.com/2022/06/23/Copilot-GPL-washing.html

11:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drewdevault.com | GitHub Copilot and open source laundering

11:47 schestowitz-TR; yes, none of that is new

11:47 schestowitz-TR; we said that in our series n umerous times

11:47 schestowitz-TR; I want to wait and see what Miguel and Nat do before proceeding much

11:47 schestowitz-TR; It'sFOSS wrote about it, but weakly

11:47 schestowitz-TR; it also shills for LF, so...


noon, June 24

12:05 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:06 schestowitz-TR; I wonder how to best tackle the latest LF propagadafest in Texas

12:06 schestowitz-TR; not giving it more visibility

12:06 schestowitz-TR; /me checks if spamnil bought another round of clickfraud

12:06 Techrights-sec2; which one are they doing now?

12:10 schestowitz-TR; spamnil last did this to video about 20 days old

12:10 schestowitz-TR; so the anomalies are stunning

12:33 Techrights-sec2; this? https://www.linux.com/news/ensuring-patents-foster-innovation-in-open-source/

↺ https://www.linux.com/news/ensuring-patents-foster-innovation-in-open-source/

12:33 Techrights-sec2; "Patents are an important legal protection to foster innovation ..."

12:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ensuring Patents Foster Innovation in Open Source - Linux.com

12:34 schestowitz-TR; I responded to this yesterday

12:34 schestowitz-TR; and quoted the bit about LF+OIN+Microsoft working together on patents

12:34 schestowitz-TR; this is LF in a nutshell

12:34 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:46 schestowitz-TR; next stage is, they convince or blackmail torvalds into parroting the same lines

12:46 schestowitz-TR; and lies

12:46 schestowitz-TR; and then call us "all about hate" if we don't parry the same

12:46 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:48 schestowitz-TR; like the time rms foolishly went to microsoft

12:48 schestowitz-TR; and then sjvn said repeatredly stuff like, even RMM is accepting them

12:48 schestowitz-TR; and if you don't, you're extraeme

12:48 schestowitz-TR; (of course he then went on to relentlylessly defaming RMS regardless)

12:49 Techrights-sec2; in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices

12:49 Techrights-sec2; and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mine

12:49 Techrights-sec2; after ther torture

12:49 Techrights-sec2; LF doesn't use torture

12:49 Techrights-sec2; it uses mental blackmail and therapists

12:49 Techrights-sec2; civil forefeit of the Linux project

12:50 schestowitz-TR; in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices

12:50 schestowitz-TR; and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mine

12:50 schestowitz-TR; after ther torture

12:50 schestowitz-TR; LF doesn't use torture

12:50 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:50 Techrights-sec2; yes, the LF has used torture,

12:50 schestowitz-TR; it uses mental blackmail and therapists

12:50 schestowitz-TR; civil forefeit of the Linux project

12:50 schestowitz-TR; 2+2=5

12:50 schestowitz-TR; and then you see 5 articles about torvalds singing praises of github rust

12:51 Techrights-sec2; https://phr.org/news/cia-torture-report-highlights-unnecessary-medical-procedure/

↺ https://phr.org/news/cia-torture-report-highlights-unnecessary-medical-procedure/

12:51 Techrights-sec2; not those specific methods but unnecessary medical treatment in general,

12:51 Techrights-sec2; sending him off and then having him recant and confess afterwards

12:51 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-phr.org | Physicians for Human Rights - CIA Torture Report Highlights Unnecessary Medical Procedure

12:52 schestowitz-TR; as daemonFC recalls, from his personal experience, it is the only way to get rleased from the treatment

12:52 schestowitz-TR; they reward for cooperation

12:52 schestowitz-TR; objection reinforces the idea of a problem

12:52 Techrights-sec2; yes if they can get leverage over him and commit him then it's game over

12:52 Techrights-sec2; after that anything he says only digs the hole deeper -- regardless of

12:52 Techrights-sec2; the situation or of what is said

12:56 Techrights-sec2; LT escaped lightly, if they had forced prescriptions on him then they

12:56 Techrights-sec2; ^the

12:56 Techrights-sec2; "medications" are so primitive in that area that they would nearly 100% likely

12:56 Techrights-sec2; caused brain damage or at least severe personality disorder either permanently

12:56 Techrights-sec2; or during the course of the drug use

12:59 schestowitz-TR; the story you told me is almost exactly the same as one from a gym friend

12:59 schestowitz-TR; whose ordeals I wrote about in my blog a few times

12:59 schestowitz-TR; he represented himself against NHS and won

12:59 schestowitz-TR; almost exactly the same

12:59 schestowitz-TR; , inc. the scnadsls of improvising and prison time

12:59 schestowitz-TR; they basically experimented on him

12:59 schestowitz-TR; he won the case

12:59 schestowitz-TR; then I think they spied on him with PI

12:59 schestowitz-TR; but hard to prove


1 PM, June 24

13:00 Techrights-sec2; The trouble against LT really ramped up when he defended the GPL at his Aalto

13:00 Techrights-sec2; talk. The press made a distraction with him giving the finger to Nvidia, but

13:00 Techrights-sec2; the talk about the importance of the GPL really burned a lot of powerful people

13:01 schestowitz-TR; Quite likely that they stoope that low.

13:01 Techrights-sec2; Quite likely that they stoope that low.

13:02 Techrights-sec2; However, it is even more unlikely that they will admit to breaking the law like

13:02 Techrights-sec2; that.

13:07 schestowitz-TR; Norbert apparwently had to confeesss his "thought crime"

13:07 schestowitz-TR; and then give a talk together nwith a diversity candisate (no code) at some event

13:07 schestowitz-TR; maybehe realised this would never please theme

13:07 schestowitz-TR; it just made him look like a tool, after he had invested 2 decades of his life as a volkunteer

13:07 schestowitz-TR; in a project that was pushing him out

13:08 Techrights-sec2; Lunduke gave a good talk explaining how and why attempts at appeasement will

13:08 Techrights-sec2; only encourage and even rile up the bullied

13:08 Techrights-sec2; ^bullies

13:08 Techrights-sec2; did he blink "TORTURE" with his eyes while reading the confession?

13:12 schestowitz-TR; over the years at lkeast 3 people (off the top of my head) tried to force me to write a statement

13:12 schestowitz-TR; like apoloigising to them and such

13:12 schestowitz-TR; one time I actually did something weakly worded to that effect

13:12 schestowitz-TR; that was the first time

13:12 Techrights-sec2; yep

13:12 Techrights-sec2; yep

13:12 schestowitz-TR; and then it never ends

13:12 schestowitz-TR; change this, change that

13:12 schestowitz-TR; if you show a sign of weakness

13:12 schestowitz-TR; then they want to link to something to say "we won, he lost"

13:12 schestowitz-TR; "we were right all along"

13:14 schestowitz-TR; Linus did surrender

13:14 schestowitz-TR; therapists AND forced apology

13:14 schestowitz-TR; humiliation

13:14 schestowitz-TR; he used to defned all that as finnish culture

13:14 schestowitz-TR; I didn't even think it was limited to finland

13:14 Techrights-sec2; now they can hang both over his head indefinitely

13:14 Techrights-sec2; presumably with the threat of escalating either

13:14 Techrights-sec2; it is, but these days national identities, including Finnish, are now centered

13:14 Techrights-sec2; around defense of and support for Bill and M$

13:17 Techrights-sec2; Some years ago he made an excellent explanation about clarity and why

13:17 Techrights-sec2; evaluation of code (not of people) had to be made in no uncertain or vague

13:17 Techrights-sec2; terms; the microsofters and the press they own where able to reframe his

13:17 Techrights-sec2; code critiques as attacks on people, which they clearly weren't if one bothered

13:17 Techrights-sec2; to read them , or as "being mean"

13:17 schestowitz-TR; did you know the MFer works in a gown!!!! the MFer!!!

13:18 Techrights-sec2; yeah they try everything to get at him. Remember 20 years ago the business

13:18 Techrights-sec2; community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack of

13:18 Techrights-sec2; a suit and tie; They just could not get their tiny minds around the idea

13:18 Techrights-sec2; that he did not wear a tie. They tried similar against Fuckerberg but he

13:18 Techrights-sec2; was already complying by then

13:18 Techrights-sec2; not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as well

13:22 schestowitz-TR; it's the dress code equivalent of getting circumcised

13:22 schestowitz-TR; or doing that to kids (FGM also), demonstrating physical sacrifice for the tribe

13:22 Techrights-sec2; ack


3 PM, June 24

15:00 schestowitz-TR; slow tech news so far today

15:00 schestowitz-TR; volume-wise

15:00 schestowitz-TR; having to use a hook

15:00 Techrights-sec2; summer has started and more news sites will (permanently) reduce activities

15:00 Techrights-sec2; further

15:00 schestowitz-TR; yeah, it had not quite occurred to me

15:00 schestowitz-TR; either way, more time to focus on epo then

15:02 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valves done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XCgSfDw0cM8 "TLG" so focused on Valve/Deck that I bet everything he took money from then

↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XCgSfDw0cM8

15:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valve's done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious

15:21 Techrights-sec2; ack

15:40 schestowitz-TR; curiously enough, based on the much-late 2013 paper abstract re photosynthesis, this is a very similar area

15:40 schestowitz-TR; to the one of a friend whom I frequently mention

15:40 schestowitz-TR; biogenesis and cells

15:40 Techrights-sec2; ack

15:40 schestowitz-TR; those are important issues, unlike a lot of pseudoscience that does get counted as of

15:40 schestowitz-TR; "indutrial value" or mere theory

15:41 schestowitz-TR; news is slow, I did another batch

15:41 schestowitz-TR; feeds empty

15:41 schestowitz-TR; will check covid status

15:41 schestowitz-TR; no important issue to record atm

15:41 schestowitz-TR; might tidy up my place

15:41 schestowitz-TR; rianne went hunting

15:52 Techrights-sec2; ack

15:52 Techrights-sec2; It's Midsummer Eve, are the stores even open?

15:53 schestowitz-TR; food stores, I don't see why not

15:53 schestowitz-TR; they're essential and I think the onl day they shut is dec 25th

15:53 schestowitz-TR; which is why 24th is great for netting expiring items in large quantities

15:53 schestowitz-TR; 31st and 1st (NYE) is partly open

15:53 Techrights-sec2; ack


4 PM, June 24

16:42 schestowitz; "

16:42 schestowitz; SUEPO The Hague Event on the day of the Administrative Council

16:42 schestowitz; Dear SUEPO members, dear colleagues,

16:42 schestowitz; SUEPO The Hague is organizing a get-together meeting on the day of the Administrative Council for its members and those who want to become members.

16:42 schestowitz; The gathering will take place on June 29, 2022 from 16:00 to 19:00 at "Welgelegen Food and Drinks" in Rijswijk on the day of the Administrative Council.

16:42 schestowitz; Feel free to join us for this event!

16:42 schestowitz; "

16:45 schestowitz; "

16:45 schestowitz; SUEPO Virtual Coffee Meetings, every Friday starting at 11:30 a.m.

16:45 schestowitz; Dear SUEPO members, dear Colleagues,

16:45 schestowitz; We are happy to invite you to a weekly coffee meeting of SUEPO this Friday, 24th of June.

16:45 schestowitz; SUEPO committee members are looking forward meeting you.

16:45 schestowitz; We would like to chat with you informally on the ongoing actions

16:45 schestowitz; Working to the rule

16:45 schestowitz; Feedback of yours for further actions

16:45 schestowitz; We are there also to answer all your questions about SUEPO and listen to your concerns such as

16:45 schestowitz; - the consequences of the educational reform for staff in TH;

16:45 schestowitz; - SAP;

16:45 schestowitz; - teleworking guidelines;

16:45 schestowitz; - or work pressure.

16:45 schestowitz; But above all, we want to listen to you. SUEPO is nothing but its members, and your point of view matters very much to us.

16:45 schestowitz; "

16:46 schestowitz-TR; good and timely news

16:46 schestowitz-TR; got 4 items from epo

16:52 Techrights-sec2; ack

16:52 schestowitz-TR; as usual, we'll be the first and the only ones to cover it, I'm preparing some text atm


5 PM, June 24

17:10 schestowitz; The present publication emanates from Local Staff Committee the Hague which does not have access to mass email. It is re-published via SUEPO in order to reach a larger number of colleagues.

17:13 schestowitz-TR; ok, draft

17:13 schestowitz-TR; I can make up by missing bits with new image and summary

17:21 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:21 Techrights-sec2; excellent about being first and covering it but tragic that other sites do not

17:21 Techrights-sec2; pick up the news

17:21 Techrights-sec2; in accordance to how important it is

17:21 Techrights-sec2; checking

17:21 Techrights-sec2; s/pressurising/pressure/

17:22 Techrights-sec2; the first sentence mentions a meeting, a word or two (maybe with link) would

17:22 Techrights-sec2; help remind the readers about the nature of the meeting

17:22 Techrights-sec2; It's in the second paragraph, but having a word at the start helps lead in

17:22 Techrights-sec2; s/which should not be granted/which should not be granted due to being outlawed

17:22 Techrights-sec2; by the European Patent Convention (1973) .../

17:22 Techrights-sec2; The illegality of the sw patents granting and the reason it is illegal are

17:22 Techrights-sec2; important

17:22 Techrights-sec2; s/they're recruiting/the administrative council (managment) is recruiting/

17:22 Techrights-sec2; the last two paragraphs can be merged, the "imagine working" sentence belongs with the previous paragraph

17:25 schestowitz-TR; ok, all changes applied, added an image

17:39 Techrights-sec2; thanks

17:40 schestowitz-TR; thew second (*last) pass caught a lot of typos and I clarified further

17:40 schestowitz-TR; I have to assume there's a lot more on the way

17:40 schestowitz-TR; to avoid getting PRESSURED MYSEFL :-)

17:41 Techrights-sec2; excellent

17:41 Techrights-sec2; it reads well now

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7 PM, June 24

19:00 schestowitz-TR; new doc just in

19:00 schestowitz-TR; draft

19:05 schestowitz-TR; rianne asks, as she saw something in the gulag tyoob, if VAT is charged or shown separately in grocery stores

19:05 schestowitz-TR; here it's not shown explicitly

19:05 schestowitz-TR; very rarely at electronics stores too

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19:15 schestowitz-TR; another draft (short)

19:15 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:15 Techrights-sec2; I thought food is not supposed to be subject to VAT

19:15 Techrights-sec2; as for electronics, some show it up front others hide it until checkout

19:15 Techrights-sec2; in the case of Apple vs Dell, for example, Dell only adds the VAT at the end

19:15 Techrights-sec2; but Apple shows it up front and you have to subtract it at the end if you're

19:15 Techrights-sec2; making a business purchase

19:15 Techrights-sec2; oddly in one case the Apple hardware was much cheaper than the Dell system

19:15 Techrights-sec2; of comparable specs

19:25 schestowitz-TR; it's finalised now

19:26 Techrights-sec2; checking

19:27 Techrights-sec2; ok

19:27 Techrights-sec2; but the last sentence is not finished

19:28 schestowitz-TR; grammatically it seems OK

19:32 schestowitz-TR; apple has a "starter" kit [sic]

19:32 schestowitz-TR; so maybe on the 'low end' they discard some stock

19:32 schestowitz-TR; or desperate to show they can still sell

19:32 schestowitz-TR; they cannot blame "supply chain" for eternity

19:32 schestowitz-TR; and the MS/APPL-preloaded PCs are just little prisons

19:32 schestowitz-TR; that later help them upsell or charge on top

19:32 schestowitz-TR; so the price on the PC is misleading

19:32 schestowitz-TR; Chromebooks, unless "fixed", are rentals you can take away and keep

19:32 schestowitz-TR; so we have a 'brandless' problem here

19:32 schestowitz-TR; and saying "boycott Microsoft" won't solve ALL the issues

19:32 schestowitz-TR; we need to talk about the concept, IMHO

19:33 schestowitz-TR; some people move from wiundows to apple

19:33 schestowitz-TR; as an act of rebellion

19:33 schestowitz-TR; because they don't know that the underlying issue is

19:33 schestowitz-TR; they think it's just some cliches and logos

19:33 schestowitz-TR; and carlin had wise words about US "choice"

19:33 schestowitz-TR; and how meaningless that can be

19:33 schestowitz-TR; I can find the clip, so can you if yoiu search "carlin choice"

19:34 schestowitz-TR; back in the IBM says we called it "swapping masters" (over a decade ago; the word or metaphor was acceptable

19:34 schestowitz-TR; then)

19:34 schestowitz-TR; because it's like a slave being traded but not in fact liberated

19:34 schestowitz-TR; hands changed

19:34 schestowitz-TR; then hands chained

19:36 Techrights-sec2; back in the PPC days the hardware was simply bettere

19:36 Techrights-sec2; now it's just overpriced x86 garbage

19:36 Techrights-sec2; with proprietary additions

19:36 Techrights-sec2; now with the M2 the hardware is worse and locked-in

19:36 Techrights-sec2; they've even ported speculative execution exploits into the M2

19:37 schestowitz-TR; I hope the flow od epo documents stops soon

19:38 schestowitz-TR; it's important but a bit fatiguing

19:38 schestowitz-TR; I might take a nap before the 1am shift

19:38 schestowitz-TR; and then do a video on some topic

19:38 schestowitz-TR; bbl

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8 PM, June 24

20:18 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Isn't there a way around the VAT, like shipping a computer from the US?

20:18 DaemonFC; I mean, certainly there's a lot of sellers here that don't give a shit about collecting VAT tax.

20:19 DaemonFC; Avoiding taxes is difficult, but it's the moral thing to do.

20:19 DaemonFC; Propping up a state that steals from you to give to someone else is immoral.

20:20 DaemonFC; There's a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.

20:20 DaemonFC; In that tax evasion is also tax avoidance, but you break some law to do that.

20:20 DaemonFC; And breaking the law isn't terribly smart, especially when you'll get caught. So it's important to avoid taxes as much as the law lets you get by with.

20:21 DaemonFC; I could be mistaken, but I think VAT taxes are something the seller is supposed to collect and remit before the sale, so if you buy something that hasn't had VAT collected, that's not your responsibility, right?

20:22 DaemonFC; Or maybe it works like it does with state sales taxes, where you're supposed to declare the difference between what you paid out of state and what your state sales taxes are and square up the difference as use tax at the end of the year.

20:22 DaemonFC; Which nobody did, which is why the states went to the Supreme Court to reverse their 1992 decision on this.

20:24 DaemonFC; Still, Wisconsin has sales tax holidays around Back to School time, so you can go up there and get all of the clothes and big ticket stuff you need and come back down to Illinois with it. The problem is that Illinois wants their money and if you pay with a credit card, they know what you did.

20:24 schestowitz-TR; I asked about food

20:24 DaemonFC; It's not unheard of to get a letter from the DOR saying "We saw you went up to Wisconsin during a tax holiday and bought $5,000 worth of stuff. You declared that you didn't owe us any use tax. Here's what you owe us, plus interest, and a fine.".

20:26 DaemonFC; The banks that do business in Illinois have to turn over their bank records to Illinois. So Illinois DOR has a matching program. It knows what all the rates are in other states and how much stuff you bought. So if it's a few bucks, probably nothing happens. If you owe then $400-500, you'll get a letter demanding payment.

20:27 DaemonFC; On their website, which probably nobody reads, it warns that this can happen.

20:27 DaemonFC; So if you do go up there on a tax holiday, bring cash.

20:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Did you see that the US Supreme Court got rid of the Miranda Warning?

20:28 DaemonFC; "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you can not afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you by the court."

20:28 DaemonFC; The police don't have to warn you anymore.

20:29 DaemonFC; You can't sue them if they don't. And it's much less likely that anything you say without being warned will get thrown out of evidence.

20:29 DaemonFC; You still have those rights, but they don't have to tell you.

20:29 DaemonFC; Indiana doesn't have "free" public defenders for the indigent.

20:29 DaemonFC; They have a "sliding scale fee" for the public defender.

20:29 schestowitz-TR; yes, I read about SCOTUS doing that

20:30 schestowitz-TR; next stage is, more powers for cops

20:30 schestowitz-TR; and more guns

20:30 DaemonFC; So it's not uncommon to see the courts taking a guy who has no job and sending him a $500-600 bill for the public defender, who is only there so that they can say you got a minimal legal defense while they were railroading you.

20:31 DaemonFC; They just add it to what you owe the court, and then to make sure you pay, they deduct it from your bail money that you coughed up so you didn't have to sit in jail for a year waiting on them to get around to you for a misdemeanor.

20:32 DaemonFC; The courts in Indiana only move swiftly if you bonded out of jail.

20:32 DaemonFC; If you can't afford to bond out of jail, they frequently take five or six times longer to get you into court.

20:32 DaemonFC; The idea is they'll sweat a confession out of you because they'll end up sentencing you to less time than you were already sitting in jail waiting for your hearings.

20:33 DaemonFC; The maximum jail term for a misdemeanor is 364 days in jail.

20:33 DaemonFC; So they just leave you sitting in jail for a year if you can't bond out so you'll confess to a lesser offense or something just to get out of jail.

20:34 DaemonFC; The longer you stay quiet and don't confess, the longer you end up waiting in jail.

20:34 DaemonFC; This is why nearly everyone charged with a misdemeanor is convicted of a misdemeanor.

20:35 DaemonFC; Even if you didn't do it, or it's not as bad as they allege, you know you'll be sitting in jail anyway, and most likely end up being convicted anyway, so at least by confessing you get out sooner.

20:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, What happened to me was essentially charge and sentence bargaining. And it ended up being probably most directly comparable to a police caution in your system.

20:36 schestowitz-TR; like plea bargain?

20:37 DaemonFC; Yeah. I told the prosecutor I absolutely would not confess to a violent crime, ever, and that if he insisted on it, we were going to court and I would demand that he produce John and Luis and I'd take my chances in front of a jury.

20:37 DaemonFC; So it ended up being like "Okay, what do you want?".

20:38 DaemonFC; I say , "I'm not going past a Class C Misdemeanor and I'm not going to jail, and I'm not going to have a conviction on my record. Figure something out.".

20:38 DaemonFC; So then it was like "How is court supervision on Disorderly Conduct?".

20:40 DaemonFC; Like, he'd probably win on the original charges, but I would make it the absolute most hassle on him that I could to get there and I definitely wasn't confessing to that, so unless he wanted to carve out a few days just for me with everything else going on in this county.....

20:41 DaemonFC; Sometimes you can't win, but you can make it too much of a bother to fight you.

20:41 DaemonFC; There's few surprises in court, so basically I had my attorney give the prosecutor a preview of what our strategy would be in court.

20:42 DaemonFC; I was going to plead not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect and say that I went temporarily insane due to a combination of underlying mental illness and mental suffering inflicted by John, which finally boiled over when he brought Luis into the house.

20:42 DaemonFC; "I temporarily took leave of my sanity and I'm better right now."

20:43 DaemonFC; It's better to get diverted to psychiatrists than to be convicted and sent to jail, schestowitz-TR

20:43 DaemonFC; The psychiatrists will fuck around with your medicine and eventually get tired of you.

20:43 DaemonFC; Jail is jail, and a conviction is a conviction.

20:44 DaemonFC; When they send a person to a psychiatrist, usually what happens is that eventually the psychiatrist declares that their intervention was a success, when in fact it was not.

20:44 DaemonFC; And then they move right along.

20:44 schestowitz-TR; did you see what we said about LT?

20:44 DaemonFC; Nope.

20:45 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I'm now on four prescription drugs.

20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> yeah they try everything to get at him. Remember 20 years ago the business

20:45 DaemonFC; I'm a miracle of modern medicine.

20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack of

20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> a suit and tie; They just could not get their tiny minds around the idea

20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> that he did not wear a tie. They tried similar against Fuckerberg but he

20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> was already complying by then

20:45 schestowitz-TR; [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as well

20:45 schestowitz-TR; you were mention here earlier

20:45 DaemonFC; Yes, what we project is more important than what we are, Roy

20:46 DaemonFC; If you want to be successful at manipulating others, you have to create an appearance for them to base their opinions on.

20:47 DaemonFC; Most people in your life who make important decisions about you interact with you for 10 or 20 minutes. It's important for them to see you in the way that ensures the correct outcome.

20:49 DaemonFC; It's better to have a chameleonic personality than it is to have a fixed one. You can always revert to your true personality later when it matters less.

20:50 DaemonFC; I've figured out different ways to present myself. Sometimes it's desirable to portray yourself as having an average or low intelligence so you don't appear threatening or very capable of being deceitful.

20:50 DaemonFC; It forces people, subconsciously, to let their guard down, and it makes it easier to get what you need and move on.

20:51 DaemonFC; A big important concept in law is intent, even when the law theoretically doesn't make intent an important factor.

20:52 DaemonFC; You will be punished much more severely if the prosecutor proves you knew it was wrong, didn't care, and proceeded anyway.

20:52 DaemonFC; Therefore, it is always useful to prove you did not knowingly break the law or did not intend to, or that you had no knowledge of the law, or that you were duped into breaking the law.

20:53 DaemonFC; You can lower your culpability by showing that you didn't know what the law was, have imperfect understanding of the facts that set up your guilt, or that you have diminished capacity which made it, at least for a time, impossible to understand what you were doing.

20:54 DaemonFC; I blacked out while I was doing that. I don't remember doing that.

20:54 DaemonFC; If people tell you that you're doing something wrong, say "I don't want to know that, and I didn't hear what you just said.".

20:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I told a lawyer something once and she said. "I'm sorry, I didn't hear you say that." and I went to repeat myself and she said "I don't think you should repeat whatever it is you just said.".


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