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01:49 schestowitz; terminating bot, new version ready http://techrights.org/videos/Gates6Depo.ogg
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01:50 TechrightsBN; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.77
01:51 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wKu13wmHog
01:51 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7wKu13wmHog
01:51 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> yewtu.be | Kung Fu Mantis Vs Jumping Spider | Life Story | BBC - Invidious
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08:54 schestowitz-TR; i have changed traffic shaper on the gemini server
08:54 schestowitz-TR; I also made a full system backup overnight
08:54 schestowitz-TR; we added the irc bot to git
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09:24 schestowitz-TR; did the changes to tc impede the script taking the irc bits?
10:00 Techrights-sec; there was a brief outage here
10:01 schestowitz-TR; I was also going to ask, should I start adding links to Daily Links which are gemini:// ?
10:02 Techrights-sec; Not sure yet. Maybe it is a good idea to have a few each day but not so manyyet.
10:02 schestowitz-TR; maybe a separate section in the bottom of the list of Links?
10:03 Techrights-sec; .
10:03 Techrights-sec; That would work.
10:03 schestowitz-TR; I will think how to do this...
10:06 schestowitz-TR; would that fit into the taxonomy ok if added after leftovers at the
10:06 schestowitz-TR; same depath level as leftovers?
10:06 schestowitz-TR; I don't want to add a whole new block just for gemini
10:06 schestowitz-TR; as I dsoubt it would have more than half a dozem items per day
10:07 Techrights-sec; The taxonomy is currently by subject, not protocol. So the way to fit it
10:07 Techrights-sec; in would be to just plae it according to topic. Maybe prefix the link with
10:07 Techrights-sec; a Gemini symbol. That can be done in CSS can't it?
10:07 Techrights-sec; The taxonomy is currently by subject, not protocol. So the way to fit it
10:07 Techrights-sec; in would be to just plae it according to topic. Maybe prefix the link with
10:07 Techrights-sec; a Gemini symbol. That can be done in CSS can't it?
10:07 schestowitz-TR; I will check if the selector can be for protoco, rather than domain
10:09 Techrights-sec; The protocol is just a string and the pattern if it can be done by pattern is
10:09 Techrights-sec; anchored to the beginning of the href attribute.
10:22 schestowitz-TR; i am going to run some tests
10:22 schestowitz-TR; may take a bit of time
10:22 schestowitz-TR; at some point we might want to add our custom-made wordpress "theme" (php) and
10:22 schestowitz-TR; css to git as well, but that would need a new grouping
10:22 schestowitz-TR; i've just corrected something which has long bothered me
10:22 schestowitz-TR; httpS://techrights.org links won't have external site icon next to them
10:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights
10:22 schestowitz-TR; now let's try gemini
10:22 schestowitz-TR; there are many blog posts that already have gemini:// links in them, not just the
10:22 schestowitz-TR; IRC posts
10:22 Techrights-sec; ok
10:22 Techrights-sec; That would probably be good. I'm not familiar enough with WordPress to suggest
10:22 Techrights-sec; a directory hiearchy name. MAybe it should reflect the directory hiearchy used
10:22 Techrights-sec; by WordPress. Or are the CSS not in static files?
10:22 Techrights-sec; ack
10:22 Techrights-sec; excellent
10:26 schestowitz-TR; should I use some fancy unicode or little gif? could use asnimated, too
10:27 Techrights-sec; Just the unicode symbol would be the least intrusive way. Just a second.
10:27 Techrights-sec; It's U+264A
10:38 schestowitz; OK, go to https://techrights.org/2021/11/19/gemini-protocol-usage-is-growing/ CTRL+R to flush out css, see first two gemini links
10:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | For the Second Month in a Row, Almost Half a Million Page Requests Over Gemini Protocol (gemini://) | Techrights
10:38 Techrights-sec; ♊ in decimal;
10:38 Techrights-sec; ♊ as hexadecimal;
10:39 Techrights-sec; The ::before selector might not work with the escaped hex or decimal codes.
10:39 Techrights-sec; So it might be necessary to just paste in the symbol itself.
10:58 schestowitz-TR; should I push the "theme" to git and exclude images?
10:58 Techrights-sec; ack
10:58 Techrights-sec; Yes, exclude images.
10:59 schestowitz-TR; later I will do a video, then some article, about us starting to add gemini://
10:59 schestowitz-TR; News Picks, gradually
11:00 schestowitz-TR; and show how they are distinguished
11:00 schestowitz-TR; the code assopciated with it
11:00 schestowitz-TR; is already in 'view source'
11:00 schestowitz-TR; but I will make a category for site
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11:18 schestowitz-TR; is there a way to suppress trailing whitespace warnings?
11:18 schestowitz-TR; there's like hundreds of them obstructing me from committin the php files
11:38 schestowitz; find . -type f -exec sed -i 's/ *$//' '{}' ';'
11:38 schestowitz; find . -not \( -name .svn -prune -o -name .git -prune \) -type f -print0 | xargs sed -i 's/ *$//' '{}' ';'
11:38 schestowitz; and various other things did not do a good enough job removing those trailing spaces
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11:54 schestowitz; At the end I used: sed -i 's/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:*$//' FILE
11:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | :space:*$// - Search results - Wikipedia
11:55 schestowitz; oops
11:55 schestowitz; konversation being clever
11:55 schestowitz; [[ :space: ]]
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12:12 Techrights-sec; yes the way is to remove the tailing whitespace ;)
12:12 Techrights-sec; there are pre-commit hooks which you can configure. The whitespaces can
12:12 Techrights-sec; be caused by either tabs or actual spaces so the pattern has to take those into a
12:12 Techrights-sec; ccount.
12:21 schestowitz; "
12:21 schestowitz; Please see this post for an official update, and please follow that account for future updates: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0
12:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post?
12:21 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius
12:21 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago
12:21 schestowitz; The update post as an interactable URL for Diaspora* users:
12:21 schestowitz; An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com.
12:21 schestowitz; "
12:22 schestowitz; https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896
12:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.fene ...
12:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
12:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
12:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab
12:25 schestowitz; https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0
12:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com
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12:43 schestowitz; "
12:43 schestowitz; An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com
12:43 schestowitz; Hello everyone.
12:43 schestowitz; This is a message from the diaspora* Project Core Team, in collaboration with Lukas, the current administrator of JoinDiaspora.
12:43 schestowitz; We know its been silent for a while, and everyone with an account on JoinDiaspora has been waiting for an update on what is going to happen with the pod in the near future. We have been busy in the background, and we now have a plan ready that we are happy to announce to everyone.
12:43 schestowitz; We will explain everything in more detail below, but here is a short summary of what is going to happen:
12:43 schestowitz; On Friday, March 4th, at around 20:00 UTC, JoinDiaspora will go down for a long maintenance break. We cannot yet estimate how long this will take. We will use that time to move JoinDiaspora and its data from infrastructure maintained by Feneas to infrastructure maintained by the diaspora* Core Team. This work will not resolve existing issues with exporting account data. Our work on the export feature will start at a later time, see below.
12:43 schestowitz; When maintenance is completed, JoinDiaspora will be available again in a limited-service mode. In this mode, you will no longer be able to read or write posts or comments. However, you will be able to manage your account, and you will be able to export your account data.
12:43 schestowitz; While this will be a big task for us, you do not need to do anything right now. We know that some of you have been having trouble exporting your profile and contents, but please refrain from using scrapers or similar means to copy your data. We will make sure that everyone who wants to receive an export will have the chance to do so once maintenance of the pod has been completed. Using scrapers and other means of automated downloading at this
12:43 schestowitz; point will only cause excessive server load thats not conducive to our work and the systems reliability as a whole.
12:43 schestowitz; Why is the maintenance break and the infrastructure move required?
12:43 schestowitz; Feneas is winding down operations, including the operation of its services. A lot of people are concerned about losing their long-standing account data, and we wanted to help out if we possible could. We want to be able to offer everyone a long grace period to download the profile archives and eventually migrate to a new pod, but we cannot do that with the current infrastructure, as the diaspora* Core Team is not in control.
12:43 schestowitz; JoinDiaspora is a big pod, and moving all the data over to a different setup will take a long time. We cannot start this process without shutting down the pod, as the only way to guarantee full data consistency with minimal effort is to turn off the pod. Well also use the time to make sure that the pod is updated to the latest code version, and that the general environment is up to date. This will make our future work easier.
12:43 schestowitz; While we will prepare as much as possible, moving the final set of data and getting the pod running on the new hosts will take some time, and we cannot make any guarantees about when the pod will be available again.
12:43 schestowitz; Why cant you just continue running JoinDiaspora as a full pod?
12:43 schestowitz; Were aware that some of you would like us to keep running JoinDiaspora as-is, and youre not happy to learn that this is not going to happen. We feel you.
12:43 schestowitz; JoinDiaspora is not just an old pod, its the oldest pod out there. JoinDiaspora started as a demo-instance, created by the original project team, and it continued its life as the most widely known pod, and one of the biggest.
12:43 schestowitz; diaspora* looked a lot different back then. Not only was the interface completely overhauled multiple times, the internals were as well. JoinDiaspora and its data went through lots of different database concepts, database engines, code architectures, schema changes and all of that has taken a toll.
12:43 schestowitz; Some of the architectural changes from the past has left parts of JoinDiasporas internal data structures in an inconsistent state. The project team is aware of lots of small and weird bugs and inconsistencies that are specific to JoinDiaspora only, and its hard, if not impossible, to address them all. The older JoinDiaspora gets, the harder it becomes to maintain. There is already a set of JoinDiaspora-specific workarounds in place that
12:43 schestowitz; allow it to work at all, and those will only grow larger over time.
12:43 schestowitz; As a project team, we have a lot of experience with debugging the weird edge cases of diaspora*, and weve also helped a number of old pods to fix their internal data.
12:43 schestowitz; After careful evaluation and lots of internal discussion, we concluded that fixing and continuing to run JoinDiaspora is not feasable. All good things must come to an end eventually, and JoinDiaspora has unfortunately reached that point.
12:43 schestowitz; I am currently not able to export my data. What will happen to my profile?
12:43 schestowitz; Some of you are currently unable to export your profile data. You might either see an error message, or it might look like nothing is happening at all. We are aware of this.
12:43 schestowitz; After the infrastructure migration is completed, we will start investigating the issues with account exports. Everyone who wants a data export will get one.
12:43 schestowitz; If youre currently facing issues, please do not keep retrying the export over and over again. Please dont use automated tools like scrapers to manually acquire a copy of your data. Doing so will only cause exessive server load, which only makes our work even harder.
12:43 schestowitz; As we dont know whats actually causing the export issues and how we can best fix them, this work will take some time. For each export, we have to observe its progress and intervene manually if errors arise.
12:43 schestowitz; We dont know how long it will take, but everyone will get their account data exported.
12:44 schestowitz; How long will I have to export my data?
12:44 schestowitz; Our current intention is to keep JoinDiaspora running at least until the profile migration feature has been released to a stable version of diaspora* and a significant number of pods have updated to it. This will give everyone who has an account on JoinDiaspora the chance to migrate their old account to an account on a new pod.
12:44 schestowitz; We are unable to offer a timeline or an estimate, but we will update everyone when an update is warranted.
12:44 schestowitz; I do not consent to the diaspora* Project Team handling my profile data.
12:44 schestowitz; If you do not consent to the project team handling your profile data as part of this migration, please head to your account settings and click the close account button. This will irrevocably delete your personal data.
12:44 schestowitz; Where will you post future updates?
12:44 schestowitz; We have created this diaspora* account, joindiaspora-sunset@pod.diaspora.software, specifically for this purpose. Any updates we have will be shared as posts via this account.
12:44 schestowitz; You can read posts from this account even if you do not have a diaspora* account yourself by accessing this accounts public profile using this link.
12:44 schestowitz; I have a question or concern thats not answered here.
12:44 schestowitz; If you start sharing with this account, it will automatically share back with you. This allows you to send private messages to this account, which we will answer as soon as possible.
12:44 schestowitz; Alternatively, you can write an email to joindiaspora-sunset@diasporafoundation.org.
12:44 schestowitz; Please be patient while we work on resolving this situation. Well do our best to help you all move smoothly to a new home of your choice, as soon as we can.
12:44 schestowitz; "
12:44 schestowitz; "
12:44 schestowitz; What will happen with the domain? It could be used for a general landing page for Diaspora in general. I think it would a shame if some domain grabber fetched it.
12:44 schestowitz; The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team
12:44 schestowitz; The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team - a day ago
12:44 schestowitz; @Michael Vogel Yes, domain grabbers (and people who might try to snitch the domain for malicious purposes) have been a concern to us.
12:44 schestowitz; The domain has been transferred to the project team. Even in the far future, when all users had a chance to migrate away and we finally turn off JoinDiaspora, we will continue holding that domain, and well host a landing page that explains JD has been shut down and links to the project website.
12:44 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius
12:44 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago
12:45 schestowitz; Archives of this post (comments to the time of submission only at Archive.Today):
12:45 schestowitz; Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0
12:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine
12:45 schestowitz; Archive Today: https://archive.is/jSxbU
12:45 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius
12:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.is | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com
12:45 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago
12:45 schestowitz; @The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team Thanks, this is a good communication and a reasonable adjudication of the Joindiaspora pod.
12:45 schestowitz; My principle concerns are
12:45 schestowitz; Data export requests for those experiencing issues. Largely addressed
12:45 schestowitz; Domain status after sunset. Largely addressed
12:45 schestowitz; Account migration. Paritally addressed
12:45 schestowitz; Permanent data archival. Partially addressed
12:45 schestowitz; The propspect of a designated successor account feature for Diaspora* generally (e.g., Account A on Pod X has a designated successor of Account B on Pod Y.), and there is a system awareness of this in terms of permissions and data access. Future goals, not immediately applicable
12:45 schestowitz; Data export
12:45 schestowitz; Measures discussed seem to address this. As a possible metric, identifying how many users are affected by failed requests would be a good metric. I suspect this is a small number of cases. Ive noted that 6-month and 30-day active users are ~1,600 and ~500, of some 350k registered profiles, or about 0.5% of total registered profiles. Most inactives likely have little interest in preservation. Even numerous actives have stated as much.
12:45 schestowitz; Domain status
12:45 schestowitz; Retaining control over the Joindiaspora.Com domain name would avoid issues with poachers, squatters, or worse. That is addressed above.
12:45 schestowitz; Data Archival
12:45 schestowitz; There are sites which archive Web content, most notably the Internet Archive (IA) and Archive.Today (AT). These vary in capabilities and automation.
12:45 schestowitz; Individual users can submit their own content. Ive written tools for automated submission using jq and a simple shell script, see Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread.
12:45 schestowitz; https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/e0b4d980545c013a0103448a5b29e257
12:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread
12:45 schestowitz; Presumably the site could arrange for a bulk archival or data transfer. This is a stretch goal for which Id like to assess interest and/or possibility. In particular, building in tools to support this could aid in future Pod transitions, and is a Diaspora* development prospect.
12:45 schestowitz; A stub server might not directly serve former JoindiasporaCom content itself but instead link to actual or possible IA / AT links, which can be automatically constructed based on host + GUID. I"ve written a few personal tools using #jq, see especially Create an Index-Archive of posts from an archive.
12:45 schestowitz; https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/ed03bc1063a0013a2ccc448a5b29e257
12:45 schestowitz; In particular, its possible to automate submissions to the Internet Archive, or to arrange for a special collection to be created. I believe working through either the Archive itself (mailto:info@archive.org) or the Archive Team would be appropriate for this. ArchiveTeam are an independent group which saves existing Internet content, and are aware of the pending Joindiaspora shutdown, see Deathwatch
12:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | My current jq project: create a Diaspora post-abstracter
12:45 schestowitz; https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Deathwatch
12:45 schestowitz; Note that the Internet Archive Wayback Machine does not archive comments. A special collection presumably could.
12:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.archiveteam.org | Deathwatch - Archiveteam
12:45 schestowitz; Archive.Today does include comments but lacks an automated submission mechanism so far as Im aware. Im in contact with the site administrator on other issues and will enquire as to the possibility. Ive been manually submitting many of may own ~2,000 or so posts.
12:45 schestowitz; Compare:
12:45 schestowitz; Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/*/https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506
12:45 schestowitz; Archive.Today: https://archive.is/https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506
12:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine
12:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.is | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506: Im sorry, but its a fantasy: Jeff Gregorich, superintendent, on
12:45 schestowitz; Account Migration
12:45 schestowitz; Providing data import capabilities would be a huge benefit.
12:45 schestowitz; Presently, there is no formal support, merely creation of a new account on the same or a new pod, and indication by the owner of those accounts that these are to be used. Theres no support for migrating followers, data, or block/ignore lists. The process is susceptible to impersonation attacks (e.g., #IvanZlax). Old posts should remain visible if federated, but lose any owner-moderation capabilities.
12:45 schestowitz; Data migration would be a step up from this and would permit re-populating a successor account with content and followers from a previous account, or accounts.
12:45 schestowitz; Designated Successor support
12:45 schestowitz; A Designated Successor feature would enable both old and new accounts to formally indicate that there is a relationship, which could include preserving access to and control over private posts and messages. The successor would have moderation rights over the predecessors posts and comments. This isnt likely for the Joindiaspora shutdown but might be of interest for future development.
12:45 schestowitz; There are some related issues with pod continuity and transfer which have also arisen of late, and will likely do so in future. Again, matters for future development or management guidelines.
12:45 schestowitz; The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team
12:45 schestowitz; The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team - a day ago
12:45 schestowitz; Please use this thread for questions you have, and please respect the other folks who want to consume this thread as well, so keep it short. There is no reason to repeat stuff that has been already said.
12:46 schestowitz; There are sites which archive Web content, most notably the Internet Archive (IA) and Archive.Today (AT). These vary in capabilities and automation. Individual users can submit their own content. Ive written tools for automated submission using jq and a simple shell script, see Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread.
12:46 schestowitz; We stated very explicitly that we do not suggest - or even condemn - the use of automated tools. Doing so will only cause excessive server load, which only makes our work even harder.
12:46 schestowitz; We will not be uploading anything anywhere. The point of diaspora* is to enable users to have control over their data, and this control includes the ability to use the delete button. If someone wants to build a tool that reads the exported archive and builds a static-blog out of it, cool. But if someone decides they do not want to have that done to their data and instead want everything deleted, then we have to accept that as well.
12:46 schestowitz; Its not our authority to make decisions over other peoples data.
12:46 schestowitz; Account Migration [] Designated Successor support
12:46 schestowitz; Please read up on how diaspora*s migration feature is designed. A good starting point for that is the main account migration thread on Discourse, as well as the protocol specification, and all the discussions and issues that have been linked in that thread. If you have questions around that feature and its design, Discourse is also the perfect please to raise those.
12:46 schestowitz; We said that we plan to offer the ability for everyone to migrate their accounts when the migration feature is fully built and released, and we mean that. We dont know when that will happen, but it will happen.
12:46 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius
12:46 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago
12:46 schestowitz; @The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team Thanks, thats clear. Just making my own views known.
12:46 schestowitz; "
12:54 schestowitz; "
12:54 schestowitz; I have attempted to comment in the new thread, but it's in another pod, which does not permit account creation (even for commenting), so I must update here.
12:54 schestowitz; Thank you for extending your efforts to enable all of us to export the data. Sad that millions of URLs will become dead links, but that's how the Web works, esp. with the "everything as database" mindset. It's not made to ensure as well as static sites.
12:54 schestowitz; My concern is a bit different. If I was able to export all my posts (my own account and the "Linux" account), and knowing this data is large, would other pods be able to import this very large data? Would that not exceed file size limits, time out and so on?
12:54 schestowitz; We need to send the message that Diaspora is federated and that federation means your data is safe. I've spent over 10 years on this.
12:54 schestowitz; "
12:54 schestowitz; https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896
12:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.fene ...
12:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
12:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
12:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab
13:13 schestowitz-TR; joindiaspoira will be shutting down after all
13:13 schestowitz-TR; all they offer is, we'll help you export
13:13 schestowitz-TR; I asked, will I be able to import elsewhere?
13:13 schestowitz-TR; this is crap
13:13 schestowitz-TR; web is crap
13:13 schestowitz-TR; it is also why I try to meticulously keep static copies/files of thinmgs I post
13:13 schestowitz-TR; and to some degree comments I get
13:14 Techrights-sec; :(
13:14 Techrights-sec; With a paper journal or magazine or newspaper if there were a milliion subscriber
13:14 Techrights-sec; s any one of them could keep a copy of their own with each site being centralized
13:14 Techrights-sec; it takes only one person to pull the plug on the million subscribers;
13:14 Techrights-sec; ack
13:27 schestowitz-TR; I will do 4 videos
13:27 schestowitz-TR; 1) red aht hiring from microsoft
13:27 schestowitz-TR; 2) joindiarpoa
13:27 schestowitz-TR; 3) epo (good news)
13:27 schestowitz-TR; 4) gemini in Daily Links
13:28 schestowitz-TR; i don't know if I should borhter with ANY social media anymore
13:28 schestowitz-TR; maybe best to focus on TR and IRC
13:32 Techrights-sec; ack
13:32 Techrights-sec; Regarding the first topic, businesses are not being clever by hiring microsfoters
13:32 Techrights-sec; . Thy are not hiring talent rather the opposite and on top of that they are
13:32 Techrights-sec; bringing in their worst opponent inside their perimiter.
13:32 Techrights-sec; Social control media is mostly a waste of time and the rest of it is just
13:32 Techrights-sec; manipulation. Studies on Facebook usage have shown again and again that there
13:32 Techrights-sec; is no safe level of exposure. Howevr, the worst part of all is that mainstream
13:32 Techrights-sec; news consider social control media a news source and government officials
13:32 Techrights-sec; consider it an acceptable replacement for official channels of communication,
13:32 Techrights-sec; such as web sites. Both groups mistake it for a communications medium, when
13:32 Techrights-sec; it is all about manipulation. The very few that acknowledge even one of those
13:32 Techrights-sec; point all appear to consider (wrongly) themselves immune to the adverse effects.
13:32 Techrights-sec; Which they are not.
13:35 schestowitz; "
13:35 schestowitz; Ive spent over 10 years on this.
13:35 schestowitz; Same here, I just was reading my earliest messages and yes they are 11 years old :(
13:35 schestowitz; The backup if I understand correctly will only be for the posts I made in my profile. All the comments are lost. Now that its confirmed that the pod will not survive there is no way mails will survive. I did change email addresses in the mean time so they are all not in one place.
13:35 schestowitz; "
13:36 schestowitz; Aside from that, email notifications have not worked in over a year. So even though I have hundreds of thousands of JD emails, they're not a complete trail of messages I received. I'm about to do video/article about this topic, still hoping that after a migration from Hertzer the site itself can be kept up, even as read-onyl.
13:36 schestowitz; *only
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13:40 schestowitz-TR; it is too early for me and rianne (Tuxmachines) to make a decision on socioal
13:40 schestowitz-TR; control media as a whole, as I wish to first understand if imposrting
13:40 schestowitz-TR; to another pod is at all a possibility
13:40 schestowitz-TR; they make spec assuptions, like accunts not exceeding some threshold
13:44 schestowitz-TR; I want to remind you that
13:44 schestowitz-TR; 1) I lost everything in identi.ca
13:44 schestowitz-TR; Then, even link shorteners died
13:44 schestowitz-TR; including the ones used in "tweets"
13:44 schestowitz-TR; 3) I lost 3 accounts in "fediverse"
13:44 schestowitz-TR; 3) I quit using Gab
13:44 schestowitz-TR; 4) MINDS had me fighting a few times to get the account backl
13:44 schestowitz-TR; 5) Same with Twitter
13:44 schestowitz-TR; 6) Now JD does the same as (2)
13:44 schestowitz-TR; You could say, sorry Einstein, doing the same thing all over again
13:44 schestowitz-TR; and expecting a better outcome, is just insanity at this point
13:44 schestowitz-TR; I'd rather produce things I can keep onlioe as long as I wish and can
13:44 schestowitz-TR; Not post some transient, volastile stufF
13:44 schestowitz-TR; AND CHECK FOR TYPOS AND ALL
13:45 schestowitz-TR; THOUGH IT'LL TURN TO ASHES YEARSD LATER
13:45 schestowitz-TR; oops, cps
13:45 schestowitz-TR; *Caps
13:45 Techrights-sec; ouch
13:45 Techrights-sec; yes, link shorteners have a short life span I and others warned about them
13:45 Techrights-sec; from day one. They also impose a privacy problem.
13:45 Techrights-sec; And an authenticity problem and a general security problems.
13:45 Techrights-sec; It's all transient, social control media is the worst of the transient effects.
13:45 Techrights-sec; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass
13:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | This too shall pass - Wikipedia
13:46 schestowitz-TR; I have just posted Daily LKinks
13:46 schestowitz-TR; I will do 4 videos in a row shortly
13:46 schestowitz-TR; then lots of writing about these
13:46 schestowitz-TR; rianne is catching up with links tfor TM
13:46 schestowitz-TR; I'm off work till Sat eve
13:46 Techrights-sec; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Sutra#Summary_of_the_sutra
13:46 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Heart Sutra - Wikipedia
13:47 Techrights-sec; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence
13:47 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Impermanence - Wikipedia
13:48 Techrights-sec; That's a couple of days. Any tasks to try to work on between now and then?
13:48 schestowitz-TR; we did some stuff for irc, with git added, last night
13:49 schestowitz-TR; I think we'll still do links and all as usual. just not sure twitter and chums will be part of the circulation
14:02 schestowitz-TR; the short story is, this would certainly mean less teraffic
14:02 schestowitz-TR; but, it would also means less time spoent
14:02 schestowitz-TR; and potentially more stuff created in ther site, faster
14:02 schestowitz-TR; which can compensate for the hits from "Social" 'biotnets'
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15:39 schestowitz-TR; done 4 videos
15:39 schestowitz-TR; forgot what I wanted to tewll you
15:39 schestowitz-TR; but it was not so important anyway
15:39 schestowitz-TR; otherwise I would have asked
15:39 schestowitz-TR; I will do the text now
15:39 schestowitz-TR; one unrelated (to the above) point was,
15:39 schestowitz-TR; social control media is waning in general
15:39 schestowitz-TR; no need to wait untikl it dies
15:39 schestowitz-TR; seeing the general direction
15:39 schestowitz-TR; if I can recsall what IU wanted to tell you, I will update here
15:39 schestowitz-TR; this year I started taking some voice memos
15:39 schestowitz-TR; the problem is,
15:39 schestowitz-TR; now even the very very fine level an unimportant things
15:39 schestowitz-TR; I still try to recall, knowing they were not imp[ortant anyway
15:39 schestowitz-TR; social control media became a noise machjines
15:39 schestowitz-TR; and some news sites like BBC tried to emulate these
15:39 schestowitz-TR; so when you go to these 'news' sites
15:39 schestowitz-TR; there are distractions arll around
15:39 schestowitz-TR; which pains the brain and makes it har dot concenteate --
15:39 schestowitz-TR; incidentially a subject Mogeln spoke about years ago
15:39 schestowitz-TR; oh yeah!!
15:39 schestowitz-TR; I know what I wanted to ask or day
15:39 schestowitz-TR; in theoruy,, if we abandon all social contrtol media account
15:39 schestowitz-TR; we can then rewrite out code which makes hashtags to instead say [Pakiatain Medis
15:39 schestowitz-TR; a]
15:39 schestowitz-TR; or [New York Times]
15:39 schestowitz-TR; For archival in IRC etc.
15:39 schestowitz-TR; in fast, it would make sense to add source name prior to headline
15:39 schestowitz-TR; example
15:40 schestowitz-TR; <a href"nytimes.com/.article">[New York Times] Title</a></li<....3~4~
15:50 schestowitz-TR; added first draft
15:51 Techrights-sec; yes it should be easy to make that change to the output
15:51 Techrights-sec; The module to look up the host name / hash tag can be included in the
15:51 Techrights-sec; in a different way.
15:51 Techrights-sec; ok. it took 5 minutes to make the change, should I push to Git?
15:51 Techrights-sec; Or just keep it for later?
15:51 schestowitz-TR; keep the change on hold while I await reply from diaspora people
15:51 schestowitz-TR; on two issues: 1|) import 2) preservation
15:56 Techrights-sec; ack
15:56 Techrights-sec; XPaths and valid, wellformed HTML rock
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16:11 Techrights-sec; what should be done, if anyting, about looking for links within Mastodon?
16:12 schestowitz-TR; it was maybe temporarily worthy... like 5 years ago when it was post-peak
16:12 schestowitz-TR; mastodon and other such sites are low bang-for-the-buck
16:12 schestowitz-TR; there
16:12 schestowitz-TR; are more efficient ways to find stuff with hiugher value
16:12 schestowitz-TR; like links to academic papers
16:12 schestowitz-TR; rather than showerthoughts ina "toot"
16:12 schestowitz-TR; if the showerthoughtn is worth a damn, write an article with it
16:12 schestowitz-TR; if not, do what dihgital vegan does
16:12 schestowitz-TR; take a note, ina text file
16:12 schestowitz-TR; then integrate it into a strongly-stated essay
16:38 schestowitz; https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896#b3875d1077b3013ae0f552540086c3e0
16:38 schestowitz; "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896#b3875d1077b3013ae0f552540086c3e0"
16:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.fene ...
16:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
16:38 schestowitz; "
16:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
16:38 schestowitz; I have attempted to comment in the new thread, but its in another pod, which does not permit account creation (even for commenting), so I must update here.
16:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab
16:38 schestowitz; Use this link to access the post via your pod. That works, and that allows you to comment - as opposed to the diaspora.glasswings.com-specific link Morbius posted for whatever reason.
16:38 schestowitz; If I was able to export all my posts (my own account and the Linux account), and knowing this data is large, would other pods be able to import this very large data? Would that not exceed file size limits, time out and so on?
16:38 schestowitz; Account migrations should work just fine, regardless of how old and large the account is. If thats not the case, then thatd be a fixable bug. Give it a try when the feature is eventually deployed, and if it fails for you, let us know.
16:38 schestowitz; The backup if I understand correctly will only be for the posts I made in my profile. All the comments are lost.
16:38 schestowitz; The account export archive includes comments you made under other peoples posts, as well as the comments other people made under your posts.
16:38 schestowitz; "
16:38 schestowitz; This sounds reassuring. Thank you.
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18:57 schestowitz-TR; it would help to replace social control medua URLs
18:57 schestowitz-TR; with more gemini:// essays
18:57 schestowitz-TR; I don't know how well amfora is managing subscriptions
18:57 schestowitz-TR; crtrl+a iirc
18:57 schestowitz-TR; but we need more stuff from there
18:57 schestowitz-TR; to 'rewards' people who write good stuff there
18:57 schestowitz-TR; re JD and Twitter etc.
18:57 schestowitz-TR; JS is being nice to me
18:57 schestowitz-TR; but I cannot promise to carry on
18:57 schestowitz-TR; i think for our credibility we ought to siugnal people to move to self-hosting
18:57 schestowitz-TR; and for that thery need SIMPLE things
18:57 schestowitz-TR; no dbs and shit
18:57 schestowitz-TR; they won't be able to handle that in the long run, unlike static fgiles
18:57 schestowitz-TR; like gophere
19:05 Techrights-sec; yes self hosting BBought to be encouraged whenever possible for as long as it
19:05 Techrights-sec; remains legal.
19:05 Techrights-sec; Perhaps it can be kept legal if enough people (re-)gain awarness of how
19:05 Techrights-sec; useful and easy it is.
19:12 Techrights-sec; ack
19:12 Techrights-sec; could use a link to the list of Gemini clients, that link is worth repeating
19:12 Techrights-sec; often
19:12 schestowitz-TR; added
19:12 schestowitz-TR; draft
19:14 schestowitz-TR; today rianne picked up some roses for half price
19:14 schestowitz-TR; so the next month's videos will likely have them in the bg
19:16 Techrights-sec; Sounds like an improved background.
19:16 Techrights-sec; thanks!
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19:22 Techrights-sec; I wonder if there is a way to get the various Gemini client authors intereste
19:22 Techrights-sec; in packaging for Debian? It is upstream for hundreds of derivative distros.
19:23 schestowitz-TR; ack
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