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05:04 schestowitz; hi prawn / prawnsaald just wanted to extend a HUGE thank-you for the work and to also ask if it's still possible to upload a background image for the welcome screen of "nextclient" from within account settings ... in my case, myclients/30927/Techrights/settings
05:05 schestowitz; trying to customise everything...
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09:32 *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social
09:32 *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021
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10:11 schestowitz-TR2; two things
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; 1) earlier this morning our network (server) had a 10-min outage. still less than aws.
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; 2) what should our position on fsfe be?
10:11 schestowitz-TR2; (I don't; want to destroy them, they still do some good things)
10:12 Techrights-sec2; afk
10:12 Techrights-sec2; 1) ack, I noticed that the connection was broken but it came back quickly
10:12 Techrights-sec2; 2) it should be measured, but I would say that they probably ought to change
10:12 Techrights-sec2; the name. Yes, many of the things they do are good, but far from all.
10:12 schestowitz-TR2; OK, thanks for thatinput, we need to budget our time to deal
10:12 schestowitz-TR2; with great threts and more urgent things
10:12 schestowitz-TR2; sometimes barking without biting can discourage further bad behaviour
10:12 Techrights-sec2; ack
10:12 Techrights-sec2; sometimes
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10:16 schestowitz-TR2; I think the approach is conditional love or tough love (I prefer the former terms). Commend them when they do sometimes good, condemn when they do something negative, then hope they will do less of the latter, over time, to maintain cleaner reputation and balance sheet
10:16 schestowitz-TR2; it pains me because I used to know people from there
10:18 Techrights-sec2; ack
10:22 schestowitz__[TR]; x https://www.zdnet.com/article/programming-languages-how-python-is-building-a-developer-community-of-millions/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
10:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.zdnet.com | Programming languages: How Python is building a developer community of millions | ZDNet
10:23 Techrights-sec2; back in a bit
10:25 schestowitz-TR2; just fyi (not a complaint or anything ;-) :D): in other links sometimes, maybe once a month and last seen yesterday, the same links would be posted twice, I assume a copy-paste oopsie. Today, as once or twice before, my joindiapora url (profile) was included
10:45 Techrights-sec2; back
10:45 Techrights-sec2; yeah, the "other" links are not checked in any meaningful way, they are
10:45 Techrights-sec2; just for information anyway
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10:48 schestowitz__[TR]; =
10:48 schestowitz__[TR]; old:
10:48 schestowitz__[TR]; https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/XWiki/JessicaIavarone
10:48 schestowitz__[TR]; # blocked by javascript
10:48 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.opensource.org | Profile of Jessica Iavarone - XWiki
10:49 schestowitz__[TR]; =
10:49 schestowitz__[TR]; old:
10:49 schestowitz__[TR]; https://opensource.org/volunteersandstaff
10:49 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensource.org | Volunteers & Staff | Open Source Initiative
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11:19 Techrights-sec2; https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2021/12/22/december-2021-web-server-survey.html
11:19 Techrights-sec2; I think you've read that one already. M4 is basically gone, even from
11:19 Techrights-sec2; the "all sites" category.
11:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | December 2021 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
11:20 schestowitz-TR2; this became a node title in TM and a post title (Daily Links) in TR. Worth doing another video about? I did many long ones about netcraft, can do another
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11:27 Techrights-sec2; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-202011-202111
11:27 Techrights-sec2; if one includes tables, mobile, etc, then M$ is hovering just above 30%
11:27 Techrights-sec2; Probably worth mentioning so as to drive home the point The Netcraft reports
11:27 Techrights-sec2; have a lot of interesting hints about other HTTP servers but no details.
11:27 Techrights-sec2; Nginx is clearly eating the market, but lots of small projects are becoming
11:27 Techrights-sec2; visible also.
11:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
11:27 Techrights-sec2; For example, the "top million busiest sites" have moved to "other" ahead of
11:27 Techrights-sec2; both Apache2 and Nginx
11:27 Techrights-sec2; I suppose Flask and such are there in "other" but Netcraft does not say.
11:30 schestowitz-TR2; +1
11:30 schestowitz-TR2; I am going to record a video in a few mins
11:30 schestowitz-TR2; I will mention gemini, www, and what you found in the stats
11:30 schestowitz-TR2; but the point to take home is, WEB servers are not the only game in town
11:31 Techrights-sec2; Yes, and another is that WWW != Internet, and that social control media
11:31 Techrights-sec2; *is not* the WWW. It gets tiring having to repeat those points. Since
11:31 Techrights-sec2; fewer and fewer people understand that, I wonder if there is another way
11:31 Techrights-sec2; to get the point across.
11:40 Techrights-sec2; yes
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12:33 schestowitz-TR2; recordded 40+ mins in spite of trying to keep it concise
12:37 Techrights-sec2; ack
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13:18 schestowitz-TR2; rough first draft in place, video still processing
13:54 schestowitz-TR2; you can have a read
13:56 Techrights-sec2; "Its about hierarchy or topology" -> "Its about hierarchy or control." ??
13:56 Techrights-sec2; Some stats on the mail servers would help. Many, very wrongly, assume that
13:56 Techrights-sec2; M$ has high marketshare there.
13:56 schestowitz-TR2; i wondered the same but never saw pie charts
13:57 Techrights-sec2; http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.202101/mxsurvey.html
13:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.securityspace.com | Mail (MX) Server Survey
14:00 Techrights-sec2; Microsoft 1,690 0.31%
14:00 Techrights-sec2; Exim 332,908 60.28%
14:00 Techrights-sec2; Postfix 179,315 32.47%
14:00 Techrights-sec2; ...
14:00 Techrights-sec2; There's a long tail of oddball mail servers, M$ being among them.
14:00 Techrights-sec2; http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.202111/mxsurvey.html
14:00 Techrights-sec2; more recently ^
14:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.securityspace.com | Mail (MX) Server Survey
14:00 Techrights-sec2; Microsoft 1,364 0.26%
14:00 Techrights-sec2; Exim 306,492 59.52%
14:00 Techrights-sec2; Postfix 172,824 33.56%
14:00 Techrights-sec2; ...
14:05 Techrights-sec2; there's a bit of variation back and forth with exim and postfix, but
14:05 Techrights-sec2; I mean there's a bit of variation up and down with exim and postfix, but
14:05 Techrights-sec2; their relative positions are stable. Strangely there are about 3.5 % using
14:05 Techrights-sec2; sendmail still. Those must be *old* sites.
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; ok, refresh draft page, see footnote
14:12 Techrights-sec2; probably ellipsis between the M$ lines and the postfix+exim block, there
14:12 Techrights-sec2; are others in between as M$ is part ofthe long tail
14:12 Techrights-sec2; of oddball mail servers
14:12 schestowitz-TR2; I have just rewarded the first sentence a little
14:13 Techrights-sec2; ack
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; reoiwrded
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; reworded
14:17 Techrights-sec2; also expand on the remark about Windows being less efficient and requiring
14:17 Techrights-sec2; more M$ systems in order to get the same level of service as with regular
14:17 Techrights-sec2; systems.
14:19 Techrights-sec2; buying relevance also includes M$ Teams, I presume
14:19 Techrights-sec2; https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08/29/microsoft-to-acquire-parlano/
14:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Microsoft to Acquire Parlano - Stories
14:20 schestowitz-TR2; "FAST:>
14:20 schestowitz-TR2; What was therir name
14:20 schestowitz-TR2; Noirwegian company?
14:21 Techrights-sec2; Trolltech was the only Norwegian company that comes to mind but that is not
14:21 Techrights-sec2; related to this topic (AFAIK)
14:22 schestowitz__[TR]; nm, I was thinking of search https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-sells-off-part-of-its-fast-enterprise-search-acquisition/
14:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft sells off part of its FAST enterprise-search acquisition | ZDNet
14:22 Techrights-sec2; https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need
14:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need )
14:23 Techrights-sec2; I almost recall. ... thinking ...
14:23 schestowitz__[TR]; https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08 https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need
14:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | August | 2007 | News Center
14:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.socialmediatoday.com | MindAlign, the IM alignment you need | Social Media Today
14:29 Techrights-sec2; https://techcrunch.com/2008/07/03/did-the-enron-of-norway-pull-a-fast-one-on-microsoft-more-details-about-the-mess-at-fast-search-transfer/
14:29 Techrights-sec2; The question of debt loading makes some of these acquisitions quite intriguing
14:29 Techrights-sec2; The destruction of Mojang was obviously to keep a generation of kids off of
14:29 Techrights-sec2; GNU/Linux by locking out Minecraft. Other than that, they'll never recover
14:29 Techrights-sec2; their large investment (purchase price) on that one. However, many of the
14:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techcrunch.com | Did the "Enron of Norway" Pull a Fast One On Microsoft? More Details About the Mess at Fast Search & Transfer TechCrunch
14:29 Techrights-sec2; others were probably bought with two purposes in mind, 1) crush a small
14:29 Techrights-sec2; potential competitor early on, 2) offload massive debt.
14:29 Techrights-sec2; https://techcrunch.com/2008/07/03/did-the-enron-of-norway-pull-a-fast-one-on-microsoft-more-details-about-the-me
14:29 Techrights-sec2; https://www.businessinsider.com/microsofts-15-biggest-acquisitions-and-what-happened-to-them-2011-3
14:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | Microsoft: the 15 Biggest Acquisitions and What Happened to Them
14:34 schestowitz-TR2; adding another footnote
14:43 schestowitz-TR2; see first footnote
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14:52 Techrights-sec2; ellipsis still needed
14:52 Techrights-sec2; for clarity
14:52 schestowitz-TR2; i do not wish to edit their image. I added the numbers anywau
15:06 Techrights-sec2; should be plain text though?
15:06 schestowitz-TR2; cleaned up many typos and published. There might still be typos. gemini will poicm up the figures
15:11 Techrights-sec2; <p>In numbers:</p>
15:11 Techrights-sec2; <pre>
15:11 Techrights-sec2; Exim 60.28%
15:11 Techrights-sec2; Postfix 32.47%
15:11 Techrights-sec2; . . .
15:11 Techrights-sec2; Microsoft 0.31%
15:11 Techrights-sec2; </pre>
15:11 Techrights-sec2; back in a bit
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; now I know what you meant. amended twice.
15:29 schestowitz__[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/Facebook
15:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Facebook - Techrights
16:08 Techrights-sec2; back
16:08 Techrights-sec2; thanks
16:09 schestowitz-TR2; btw, rianne and I will send money later this month in your name. no need to send us anything, I want to ensure our host feels moral support for both admins.
16:10 schestowitz-TR2; ok thanks but I can send some amount
16:10 schestowitz-TR2; his work is definitely appreciated even if it cannot be compensated adequately
16:10 schestowitz-TR2; economically.
16:10 Techrights-sec2; ok thanks but I can send some amount
16:10 Techrights-sec2; his work is definitely appreciated even if it cannot be compensated adequately
16:10 Techrights-sec2; economically.
16:18 Techrights-sec2; thanks
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17:47 schestowitz__[TR]; potential source to inspire us (we can have our own, but ideas are there, e.g. how to 'colour' the diffs): gemini://git.skyjake.fi:1968/
17:50 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:50 Techrights-sec2; interesting, though I see no colors
17:50 schestowitz-TR2; yes, it emulates this under the assumption some clients use different colours for code bits
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23:16 Techrights-sec2; ack
23:16 Techrights-sec2; best to avoid gimicks and focus on raw text
23:16 Techrights-sec2; text is readable across all clients
23:16 Techrights-sec2; afk
23:16 schestowitz-TR2; re gemini, yes, hacks and client-specific things ought to be avoided
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