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beginning of new day, October 23

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03:46 *Now talking on #boycottnovell

03:46 *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social

↺ http://TechRights.org

03:46 *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021

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4 AM, October 23

04:38 schestowitz-TR2; [04:38] <techrights-news> "Earlier this week, I attended an excellent talk with Frances Haugen, the well-known Facebook whistleblower, who delivered a compelling case that the social media giant, driven by profit maximization, consistently errs on the side of technical choices that keeps users engaged, angry, and on the platform, often at an enormous societal cost." https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/10/why-the-real-bill-c-18-threat-is-

↺ https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/10/why-the-real-bill-c-18-threat-is-

04:38 schestowitz-TR2; bill-c-18/

04:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.michaelgeist.ca | Why the Real Bill C-18 Threat is Bill C-18 - Michael Geist

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04:43 schestowitz-TR2; months ago I deleted everything Google, inc. Google News [sic]

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; I left just two feeds, temporarily, to help me discover RSS feeds I had not yet added

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; like one that I added this morning

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; now Google Noise increase the RSS spying, reverting back removal of that

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; so those remaining two TOO will be removed shortly

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; on another note, some sites LACK RSS feeds completely

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; even mainstream ones

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; some have just one feed for everything, no specificity

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; so for those I tend to check a certain page every week

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; overt time those pages update a LOT less frequently -- to the point of being stale

04:43 schestowitz-TR2; some I demoted yesterday to "check every MONTH"


5 AM, October 23

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05:54 libertybox_; yes, I saw yesterday that Google had replaced the direct links with redirections

05:54 libertybox_; and thus rendered their "feed" unusable. With the redirection in place of a

05:54 libertybox_; normal link, it is not possible to know where the destination may end up.

05:54 libertybox_; That's not good, at best, and nominally dangerous.

05:56 *libertybox_ is now known as techright-sec[2]


6 AM, October 23

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06:08 schestowitz-TR2; rant: (more in irc)

06:08 schestowitz-TR2; had router update, managed to find out in advance by checking status every night before bedtime

06:08 schestowitz-TR2; woke up very early, 2:850am

06:08 schestowitz-TR2; after update wifi signal collission on main box

06:08 schestowitz-TR2; seems solved now, but very time-consuming to debug

06:08 schestowitz-TR2; hopefully no router updates before 2023

06:08 schestowitz-TR2; Germany Says Deaths Increased by 9% Last Month, But Thats Measuring This Year Compared to Two Years of Pandemic

06:08 schestowitz-TR2; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/23/germany-says-deaths-increased/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/23/germany-says-deaths-increased/

06:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Germany Says Deaths Increased by 9% Last Month, But Thats Measuring This Year Compared to Two Years of Pandemic

06:22 techright-sec[2]; If the wifi is in the 2.4GHz band, there is no real way to avoid collisions

06:22 techright-sec[2]; even after negotiating with the neighbors. If the wifi is in the 5GHz band, then you pretty much have a full ran

06:22 techright-sec[2]; ge of choices since there is no overlap *and*

06:22 techright-sec[2]; so few know about it.

06:23 schestowitz-TR2; I already moved off 2.4 when you suggested it

06:23 schestowitz-TR2; the main issue was

06:23 schestowitz-TR2; I assumed it was the OTHER machine on the side of barrier needing another channel/wavelength

06:23 schestowitz-TR2; when I saw that sdynergy too had this issue I thought maybe I'm looking at the "wrong" end

06:24 techright-sec[2]; So what was the actual problem and the resolution?

06:25 schestowitz-TR2; reconnect, let the network allocate another range to this PC

06:25 techright-sec[2]; Oh, it was a DHCP problem then

06:25 techright-sec[2]; not a wi-fi problem per se

06:27 schestowitz-TR2; or maybe a neighbour waking up around 5:40am

06:27 schestowitz-TR2; 2 hours later

06:27 schestowitz-TR2; causing signal collision

06:27 schestowitz-TR2; which was not there at first

06:27 schestowitz-TR2; but who knows...

06:27 schestowitz-TR2; anyway, it's solved not and latency seems lower than before the router was rebooted

06:27 techright-sec[2]; How was it solved? I'm not following this at all, there's nothing in IRC either

06:31 schestowitz-TR2; acquiring a connection again

06:31 schestowitz-TR2; I don't know wi-fi protocol

06:31 schestowitz-TR2; but I assume that for each connection machine it negotiates some broadcasting range and sets that apart

06:31 schestowitz-TR2; a good enough buffer to avoid having to resend packets

06:31 schestowitz-TR2; and that's aside from the general channele the router uses, which can have a conflict with a neigbour

06:31 schestowitz-TR2; sometimes they suggest rebooting on auto mode so it can scan for channels that are 'optimal'

06:36 techright-sec[2]; First there is a radio connection, then IP, then DHCP, then TCP/IP

06:36 techright-sec[2]; NO! Automode makes worse and if someone in the neighborhood has done that, then

06:36 techright-sec[2]; they are who is messing up the signal for the block. :(

06:36 techright-sec[2]; In 2.4GHz the only acceptable choices are 1, 6, or 11. Choose the one which

06:36 techright-sec[2]; has the least traffic. If there are any neighbors on 2-5 or 7-10 they will

06:36 techright-sec[2]; be completely destroying the signal through interference and will have to

06:36 techright-sec[2]; be spoken with for negotiation since it might be illegal and certainly unethical

06:36 techright-sec[2]; to spend the trivial amount of time it would take to crack their router and

06:36 techright-sec[2]; set the numbers to something sensible.

06:36 techright-sec[2]; On 5GHz,the channes to not overlap. So just choose the one there with the

06:36 techright-sec[2]; fewest access points or, failing that, least traffic.

06:36 techright-sec[2]; tldr; 2.4GHz is nearly pointless in a crowded neigborhood, even not counting

06:36 techright-sec[2]; the other 2.4GHz appliances or military equipment

06:38 techright-sec[2]; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-221022.html#tOct%2022%2003:01:38

http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-221022.html#tOct%2022%2003:01:38

06:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 22, 2022

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06:41 techright-sec[2]; iwlist wlan0 scan

06:41 techright-sec[2]; will show what's in the area and give an idea about interference, if you wish

06:41 techright-sec[2]; to hunt down and negotiate with the polluters of the airwaves

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06:46 schestowitz-TR2; ok, just reconnected the third machine

06:46 schestowitz-TR2; will need to reboot the cisco phone next

06:46 schestowitz-TR2; seems there is still adjustment happening

06:46 schestowitz-TR2; but I hope no such worries for the next 2 months

06:47 schestowitz-TR2; I cannot block those updates or delay the reboot

06:47 schestowitz-TR2; maybe if I reboot after the patch I can 'reschedule' it

06:47 schestowitz-TR2; there's no way to find out when the reboots are scheduled for

06:47 schestowitz-TR2; the times vary

06:47 schestowitz-TR2; and I need to update dns asap

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06:48 techright-sec[2]; ack

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7 AM, October 23

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8 AM, October 23

08:06 schestowitz-TR2; CDC: US Births Decreased About 10% in Half a Decade, Infant Mortality Stayed About the Same https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/23/infant-mortality-pre-and-post-covid-19/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/23/infant-mortality-pre-and-post-covid-19/

08:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive CDC: US Births Decreased About 10% in Half a Decade, Infant Mortality Stayed About the Same

08:23 techrights-sec[2]; ack

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08:35 schestowitz-TR2; in irc we compared life span (or expcted) to germany

08:35 schestowitz-TR2; us males are about 73 now

08:35 schestowitz-TR2; germany is about 5 yearsd lonfer for men and women

08:36 *roy is now known as tr2

08:38 techrights-sec[2]; https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-08-03/longer-life-expectancy-blue-states-than-red-ones

↺ https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-08-03/longer-life-expectancy-blue-states-than-red-ones

08:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.latimes.com | People live longer in blue states than red; new study points to impact of state policies - Los Angeles Times

08:39 techrights-sec[2]; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6221922/ (older)

↺ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6221922/

08:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | Americas Declining Well-Being, Health, and Life Expectancy: Not Just a White Problem - PMC

08:42 schestowitz-TR2; rianne could find not a single item for TM this morning!

08:42 schestowitz-TR2; not even "enough" android leftovers

08:42 schestowitz-TR2; I'll wait for daily links

08:42 schestowitz-TR2; OTA (lagrange case study)

08:42 schestowitz-TR2; before OTA

08:42 schestowitz-TR2; (better to siolate for 2 years and realise WTF is going on than risk losing 2 whole years of one's life)

08:42 schestowitz-TR2; OTA


9 AM, October 23

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09:14 schestowitz-TR2; thanks for links!

09:14 schestowitz-TR2; I'm short on material

09:14 schestowitz-TR2; added draft

09:15 techrights-sec[2]; np

09:16 schestowitz-TR2; regarding the older subject, pensions are not "good" for capitalism

09:16 schestowitz-TR2; so the "religion" in some country is,

09:16 schestowitz-TR2; collect money, don't worry about how long you have to actually spend it

09:17 schestowitz-TR2; which is a form of 'brain damage'

09:17 schestowitz-TR2; spoke to my dad about it yesterday

09:28 techrights-sec[2]; ack

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10 AM, October 23

10:09 schestowitz-TR2; check email

10:09 schestowitz-TR2; am reading also

10:09 schestowitz-TR2; and will send feedback

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; ack

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; checking

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; not just facebook but other social control media (even if they are mostly owned

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; by facebook). For the younger generations, tiktok is causing great destruction.

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; I'd mention yet again that few institutions have IT departments any longer

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; and have instead m$ resellers on the payroll working against the institution

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; itself in most cases or merely neutral and working for itself in the best of

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; cases.

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; That's Bill's legacy: making bad engineering acceptable and common place

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; No one gets fired even though "tools grumble and grind, then fail"

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; Not those that brought in the crappy tools and not those that brought in the

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; untrained monkeys in place of IT people

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; Which "they" can move web pages? At one institution I tracked the time it

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; took to get one document posted to the official web site and it took well over

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; 8 man-hours, for a finished document in its final form, just to get it public.

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; As for " rats who have forgotten life before the maze " didn't Douglas Adams have something to say about acceptan

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; ce or rejection of situations being related

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; to their status relative to one's life? It was along the lines of stuff that

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; was in place during youth had "always been there and was part of the natural

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; order of things" and stuff that arrived when one was middle aged was considered

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; problematic and a threat. That is of course hyperbole but I think the first

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; part is spot on, for rats that grew up in the maze there is nothing else

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; imaginable, nope not even imaginable.

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; One thing that is important to remember, to put the original goals in context,

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; was the Steve Jobs' sales pitch about the computer being a tool, like a

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; bicyce for the mind. There are good transcripts out there worth quoting.

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; Computerss have become inverted in purpose. Instead of being a tool to

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; amplify results, they have become a vehicle for manipulation and control of

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; the ostensible user as well as a time sink for what the late David Graeber

10:10 techrights-sec[2]; identified as "bullshit" jobs. Indeed, really few areas have seen advancement

10:11 techrights-sec[2]; in recent years. Embedded systems are one area but that is mostly through

10:11 techrights-sec[2]; better software to make it easy to program.

10:11 techrights-sec[2]; The term "system" ought to be defined near the start to provide context for

10:11 techrights-sec[2]; the rest of the document.

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10:13 schestowitz-TR2; thanks, I will send my feeedback and yours now

10:13 schestowitz-TR2; it's a good essay

10:13 schestowitz-TR2; I want rianne to read it too as I told her the gist and she agrees

10:13 techrights-sec[2]; what's on screen there is about 1/3 so if there was something missed in the s

10:13 techrights-sec[2]; crollback it's gone

10:14 schestowitz-TR2; I see about 40 lines of schollback from you

10:14 schestowitz-TR2; ytalk handles it OK

10:15 techrights-sec[2]; " The best system is no system. " -> If it's not there, it can't break : KISS

10:15 techrights-sec[2]; ok here there is less so I see about 1/3 of what was written

10:17 schestowitz; In my first pass (slow reading) I hesitated to suggest any rephrasings and instead focus only on grammar/typos.

10:17 schestowitz; "just a game now" 3 - full stop missing

10:17 schestowitz; "internet" = uppercase I

10:17 schestowitz; "power as it's fruits." -> its

10:17 schestowitz; "sned my children" -> send

10:17 schestowitz; "Microsoft with it's Office365" -> its

10:24 techrights-sec[2]; The OpenBSD project has had a lot to say about simplicity. They have pointed

10:24 techrights-sec[2]; out time and again, based on real-life examples in other projects, that

10:24 techrights-sec[2]; complexity (and difficulty in use) is anathema to "security". Though one does

10:24 techrights-sec[2]; have to be very careful and define (confidentiality, integrity, availability)

10:24 techrights-sec[2]; security at the beginning to avoid microsofters coopting the term to stand

10:24 techrights-sec[2]; for their own job security and nothing more.

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1 PM, October 23

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2 PM, October 23

14:00 techrights-sec[2]; When promoting Gemini, it probably helps to mention that it needs a separate

14:00 techrights-sec[2]; client. The last article kind of alluded to that but did not quite say directly

14:00 techrights-sec[2]; nor did it link to any page with direct informatin about Gemini clients. It

14:00 techrights-sec[2]; would be great to have links to an overview of Gemini clients.

14:00 techrights-sec[2]; https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

↺ https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

14:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ghuntley.com | Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

14:00 techrights-sec[2]; Friedman mentioned briefly

14:00 techrights-sec[2]; """Maybe we need a new movement (or revisit past ideas from the 70s) that focuses on ensuring the openness regard

14:00 techrights-sec[2]; ing freedoms of computing () that combat proprietary SaaS offerings? """

14:41 schestowitz-TR2; sorry, was afak for 3 hours

14:41 schestowitz-TR2; the router thing determined the day

14:41 schestowitz-TR2; I might now delete that remnant of gulag

14:41 schestowitz-TR2; trying to make sure I got what I need by now (pertinent sites that still cover gnu/linux sometimes)


3 PM, October 23

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15:31 techrights-sec[2]; ack

15:39 schestowitz-TR2; I've been in contact with ffii re upc

15:40 schestowitz-TR2; I have a clearer picture now

15:40 schestowitz-TR2; tbh, we should cover the issue but not put ALL our energy where the issues have already

15:40 schestowitz-TR2; been laid out clearly and legal challenges will certainly arrive

15:40 schestowitz-TR2; I like where farnell is going

15:40 schestowitz-TR2; I really enjoy his articles and wish we had more like these in MSM

15:41 techrights-sec[2]; ack

15:41 techrights-sec[2]; Maybe there is a low effort way to make sure the UPC stays dead and buried

15:41 techrights-sec[2]; Farnell could possibly shop out his writings as a guest author to a few

15:41 techrights-sec[2]; publications?

15:41 schestowitz-TR2; it is not a way to make a living

15:42 techrights-sec[2]; No, it would not be profitable but would help broadcast an important message.

15:42 schestowitz-TR2; yes, with family to pprovide for time is limited

15:43 techrights-sec[2]; Ah. Of course.

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15:45 schestowitz-TR2; nhs (wife, iirc) under attack and rising costs of living make it harder to pursue hobbies, volunteer

15:45 schestowitz-TR2; rianne ad I can live OK on less than 1k, family with kids need several K's

15:45 schestowitz-TR2; the mortgage alone can be 1k

15:45 schestowitz-TR2; chomsky's theory about habving boot on the neck with student loans seema applicable here

15:45 schestowitz-TR2; as costs rise activism becomes less afe and harder to justify

15:45 schestowitz-TR2; as people struggle just for survival

15:46 techrights-sec[2]; Yes student loans are a way to drop kick youth into debt / wage slavery

15:46 techrights-sec[2]; then life becomes a hand-to-mouth struggle to stay afloat instead of having

15:46 techrights-sec[2]; time to improve, advance, or be involved in society. It is that last point

15:46 techrights-sec[2]; that the oligarchy really has an issue with and aims to prevent.


4 PM, October 23

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; rms was atatcked to discourage

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; 1) people listening to him

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; 2) people thinking similarly or expressing similar views

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; 3) there are other reasons, set them aside

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; I think UPC issues are for states to fight over at the end, we just need to supply them with some facts

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; but re farnell and harmful impact of tech, if you get enough people to talk similarly, things can change

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; same with convincign people to thun "self-service"

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; so it's a war of ideas

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; the media other kills itself or gets killed

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; or gets spamnilled

16:03 schestowitz-TR2; /sthun/shun/

16:13 techrights-sec[2]; yes it was to discourage software freedom and discussion of software freedom

16:13 techrights-sec[2]; in general

16:13 techrights-sec[2]; quite

16:13 techrights-sec[2]; spamnil is just noise not any kind of media or reporting of any kind

16:13 techrights-sec[2]; It's rather too bad that he actively chose that model because back in his

16:13 techrights-sec[2]; muktware days he had some glimmers of promise in his work. But it looks like

16:13 techrights-sec[2]; he did that just enough to get his foot in the door and may have had his eye

16:13 techrights-sec[2]; on selling out from very early on

16:14 schestowitz-TR2; he is in a dying occupation

16:14 schestowitz-TR2; like his former employer in india

16:14 schestowitz-TR2; he's not a techie

16:17 techrights-sec[2]; advertising / marketeering is far from dying out unfortunately

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; I'd say,

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; he came from corproate 'journalism'

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; not the same as PR

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; but close to it

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; sean michael kernel (ex/current LinuxToday) sort of defected as well

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; just to survive

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; there are barely any job openbings for investigators in the press

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; those that still exist have lots of competition over them

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; due to the layoffs

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; Sheela Microsoft and the wife James Z probably chose to keep Spamnil

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; because he was easier to control and he would promote and resort to fraud

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; he ruined linux.com already and did not stop there

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; I am sometimes reluctant to use the term "Linux" anymore

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; because of what this brand implies

16:21 schestowitz-TR2; rust, "microsoftr loves", clown, etc.

16:23 techrights-sec[2]; I think that was the reason he was hired :(

16:23 techrights-sec[2]; Yes he is helping tarnish or even kill the brand

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; 9 days, 9 views

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; latest from lunduke is beter...

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; [checking]

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; lunduke 2 days, 380 views

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; just like in the old days

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; I clicked on that the other day just to check

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; i think you'd have to judge for yourself

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; butit was awful

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; it was just him talking about himself and marketing his "membership"

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; nothing on the screen, no face, no nothing

16:27 schestowitz-TR2; just persistent promotional banner

16:28 schestowitz-TR2; for 39:40 min:sec

16:28 schestowitz-TR2; the video before this one is older and 150 views

16:28 schestowitz-TR2; in youtube

16:28 schestowitz-TR2; he used to get thousands before he told people to quit youtube

16:28 schestowitz-TR2; he purges himself, then has remorse

16:28 schestowitz-TR2; in one video that he pinned it shows him drinking a ban of beer, I think

16:28 schestowitz-TR2; cheap macho-muchu

16:28 schestowitz-TR2; like fabsh from linuxoutlaws

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; it's like walking into a pub to find a singer who was once on tv or had chart hits, just trying to make rebound

16:46 techrights-sec[2]; yes that's how bryan rolls these days. It is months between useful or even

16:46 techrights-sec[2]; entertaining items on his site.

16:49 techrights-sec[2]; He has (or had) the capability and knowledge to do a comeback

16:49 techrights-sec[2]; if he really wanted to. But he hasn't covered any relevant topics hardly at

16:49 techrights-sec[2]; all for a few years now.

16:57 schestowitz-TR2; many things 'collapse' these days

16:57 schestowitz-TR2; if you do not yourself "collapse", you are better off than the average

16:57 schestowitz-TR2; I was never a fan of Lunduke

16:57 schestowitz-TR2; but when it's hard to find material I can settle for anything (almost)


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