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beginning of new day, August 22

00:14 schestowitz-TR2; https://nitter.it/financialtaxnow/status/1561281406923415552#m

↺ https://nitter.it/financialtaxnow/status/1561281406923415552#m

00:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Wasilios Katsioulis, offline (@financialtaxnow): "Dr. Roy Schestowitz where reporting about those licencerelated crimes within an illegal @CIA Program from 2012 till 2016 but suddenly stopped reporting in december 2016 - also Poisoned? @PreetBharara @IntlCrimCourt @CIA https://twitter.com/schestowilz?s=11&t=whaaksMtfiqFsPPLALuNtg"|nitter.it

↺ https://twitter.com/schestowilz?s=11&t=whaaksMtfiqFsPPLALuNtg"|nitter.it


1 AM, August 22

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6 AM, August 22

06:18 Techrights-sec; 63e8a40..efad411

06:18 Techrights-sec; see http://news.tuxmachines.org/old//node/21601

↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/old//node/21601

06:18 Techrights-sec; a lot of the old site has been copied already, just the CSS is off

06:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring.

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7 AM, August 22

07:00 schestowitz-TR2; gm

07:00 schestowitz-TR2; productive night

07:01 schestowitz-TR2; but my alarm failed to work 2 nights in a row

07:01 schestowitz-TR2; no big deal, sleep is healthy

07:01 schestowitz-TR2; I was thinking, if we convert camelcase in "readon" into "title", then adding something similar in gemini should be easy and done

07:01 schestowitz-TR2; in the same loop

07:01 schestowitz-TR2; so though I'm tempted to do this at my end, would take like 2 mins, it would not cover rianne's links

07:01 schestowitz-TR2; last night I checked the image uploader again

07:01 Techrights-sec; gm

07:01 Techrights-sec; yes. still thinking about workflow, however

07:01 Techrights-sec; there are about 1000 hosts missing from the list atm

07:01 Techrights-sec; tm covers a different constellation of sites than tr

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; during that same pass maybe links in <li<a></a></li> can also have site name added in some way, maybe like in TR

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; <em>Site name</em>: <A ...

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; it would be effoert-free once set up

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; Even a year ago I was thinking, we miss the opportunity to identify source names like in TR daily links

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; even with the very same links

07:10 Techrights-sec; in the feed-like list?

07:10 Techrights-sec; I'm also thinking that the lists for TR and TM should be maintained separately

07:10 Techrights-sec; since it would be difficult to try to keep the one file synchronized

07:10 Techrights-sec; ok

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; pretty much every single TM link will also be posted in TR

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; but not the other way around

07:11 schestowitz-TR2; so TM is in effect a subset

07:23 schestowitz-TR2; thinking about this, the camelcase list is available over the web/gemini, not just git/ssh

07:23 schestowitz-TR2; so overnight you could have TM updated the latest version of it remaotely

07:23 schestowitz-TR2; I set my side to always fetch and update to the latest before Daily Links batrch gets processed

07:23 Techrights-sec; ack

07:24 schestowitz-TR2; fro the time being tm.org/git:1965 is very very simple and not public

07:24 schestowitz-TR2; but at least there's something basic to work with

07:24 schestowitz-TR2; it has like 5 times fewer files than TR

07:24 schestowitz-TR2; so I flattered the dirs

07:35 Techrights-sec; ack


8 AM, August 22

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08:34 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> Two Years Later COVID-19 Has Only Gotten More Infectious and Widespread https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/22/two-years-later-covid-19-has-only-gotten-more-infectious-and-widespread/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/22/two-years-later-covid-19-has-only-gotten-more-infectious-and-widespread/

08:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Two Years Later COVID-19 Has Only Gotten More Infectious and Widespread

08:35 Techrights-sec; ack


9 AM, August 22

09:11 schestowitz-TR2; if it makes you feel any better (it does make me), people have become extremely cynical about MSM

09:11 schestowitz-TR2; a poll in the US showed how severe this has become

09:11 schestowitz-TR2; and it's not a "wing" thing

09:11 schestowitz-TR2; it's a class thing

09:11 schestowitz-TR2; people recognise who owns large publishera and misuses that ownhership

09:12 Techrights-sec; Cynicism is not enough, it only drives people into social control media where they then become victim to better organized disinformation campaigns

09:13 schestowitz-TR2; after years of "herding" (correct term) the "masses" (like cattle) into social control media I think there's an awakening about its perils too

09:13 Techrights-sec; yes, among some small subset of older adults, but not among younger adults or

09:13 Techrights-sec; youth

09:14 schestowitz-TR2; so this is an area which needs working on

09:14 schestowitz-TR2; we have a lot of new "young blood" in techrights IRC

09:14 schestowitz-TR2; people aged under 18, who use IRC

09:15 schestowitz-TR2; they also use the network for secure private comms

09:15 Techrights-sec; excellent

09:15 Techrights-sec; IRC is not secure in any way, shape, or form

09:16 schestowitz-TR2; ours uses ssl, but they don't use e2ee

09:16 schestowitz-TR2; having said that, they rely on us not snooping on them

09:16 schestowitz-TR2; their isp cannot decipher things afaik

09:16 Techrights-sec; that's not sufficient :(

09:16 Techrights-sec; though it might help

09:16 schestowitz-TR2; of course also no web-based

09:16 schestowitz-TR2; you don't know what the server and/or the js do

09:18 Techrights-sec; all bets are off if it goes through a web browser, the laundry list of

09:18 Techrights-sec; compromised certificates which can be used to MitM the connection is quite

09:18 Techrights-sec; long and the, as you remind, there is javascript

09:20 schestowitz-TR2; some haxor complained that the ssl is done with LE for IRC

09:20 schestowitz-TR2; I get his point

09:20 schestowitz-TR2; aka "techuser"

09:20 schestowitz-TR2; he brought many people his age group to irc

09:34 schestowitz-TR2; ---

09:34 schestowitz-TR2; thanks for improving url.sh, I've copied that to the working dir and tested

09:34 schestowitz-TR2; specifying dimensions is hard

09:34 schestowitz-TR2; when you just do it the quick and dirty

09:34 schestowitz-TR2; not automated

09:34 schestowitz-TR2; way

09:34 schestowitz-TR2; it does help get the page layout correct the first time around, before knowing anything about image in situ

09:35 Techrights-sec; ack

09:35 Techrights-sec; np

09:36 schestowitz-TR2; now, to improve the site, let's add proprietary font

09:36 schestowitz-TR2; 2MB of glyphs

09:36 schestowitz-TR2; for all the unicide and emojis

09:36 schestowitz-TR2; to improve those 200KB pages :-)

09:36 schestowitz-TR2; "web3000"

09:36 Techrights-sec; ack

09:37 schestowitz-TR2; <something googlefonts...something>

09:37 schestowitz-TR2; even the EU government sites do this BS

09:38 schestowitz-TR2; and regulators warned them to at least host these fonts locally

09:38 schestowitz-TR2; I don't see why browsers should be in the font business

09:38 schestowitz-TR2; for GIMP, OK... you work in raster space

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09:51 Techrights-sec; Browsers should /not/ be in the typeface business. That is a very old sore

09:51 Techrights-sec; point

09:51 Techrights-sec; The web is for content not layout

09:51 Techrights-sec; constrained layout is anathema to accessibility and, to a certain extent,

09:51 Techrights-sec; usability

09:51 Techrights-sec; The more the end user loses control over the presentation and rendering,

09:51 Techrights-sec; the worse the accessibility and usability.

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; nowadays browsers are also pdf viewers

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; I never understoof why firefox wished to maintain a whole pdf engine inside their binaries

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; security aspects aside

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; there are also additional libs you need at runtime

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; then there's the whole video playback mode (like outside the browser)

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; thatg's like mplayer

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; I was about to type earlier (but did not) that in education they need to introduce some penalties for students who extend and extend software to

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; the point where the extensions cannot justidy the cost

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; a lot of projkects die this way

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; Flash use to run ok on a few megabytes or ram and most cpu

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; in the early shockwave days too

09:54 schestowitz-TR2; mid 90s

09:55 schestowitz-TR2; modest single-code cpu and *few MBss OF RAM.

09:55 schestowitz-TR2; *core

09:57 Techrights-sec; yes, that is also inappropriate so is using the browse as a VM

09:57 Techrights-sec; ack


10 AM, August 22

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; wget drupal/org ... downloads ... x.x.zip | unzip ... | cd x.x. | ls -la | wc -l

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; how many is that by now, not even counting any extensions?

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; without them, not much functionality is even available

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; and verison x+1.x will break compatibility

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; sometimes the schema too becomes obsolete

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; within a few years

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; you cannot run sites for 20 years llike this

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; susan moaned that each "upgrade" in drupal was like starting all over again

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; because old things were no longer compatible

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; also, there's no upgrade route, esp. not if you leap 2 versions at a time

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; like 6->8

10:00 schestowitz-TR2; 9 is already out, I think

10:01 schestowitz-TR2; wordpress is at 6.0.x now (like Linux this autumn

10:01 schestowitz-TR2; in my sites I never even touched 4.x

10:01 schestowitz-TR2; 3.9.x has LTS status

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; a mantra I always loved: "NEWER IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER"

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; it's newer

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; better? subjective

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; my sister struggled a lot after being pushed to move from Debian 10 to 11

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; I told her to keep resisting

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; she managed for about 6 months

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; the "upgrade" meant a lot of things she was accustomed to no longer workjed

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; not necessarily Debian's faulyt

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; but "third parties"

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; they keep using "security" to compel endless upgrade

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; instead they should study how to improve security and harden/lock down stuff

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; cURL's (GitHub) Daniel has just mentioned the many CVEs

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; a blog post from this morning

10:04 schestowitz-TR2; I wonder how many of these are due to feature-churn systemd-style

10:08 mjg59_; Step one to reduce the need to update software because of security issues is to stop writing things in C

10:13 Techrights-sec; haven't checked at that level of detail there

10:13 schestowitz-TR2; the new matilda as dead as assange

10:13 schestowitz-TR2; not officially, but mia

10:13 schestowitz-TR2; among other such sites

10:13 schestowitz-TR2; thediossenter for example

10:13 schestowitz-TR2; lots of wikileaks-themed sites died

10:13 schestowitz-TR2; not much left to write

10:14 Techrights-sec; :(

10:14 Techrights-sec; it was good while it lasted

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; now we have cnn "journalism" about "sales" in chipotle

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; you may seen i today's irc logs

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; *in

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; the ads became "news"

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; and "news" became censored

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; i asked eff why no coverage on epo

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; now that we have leaks about their swpats strategt

10:16 Techrights-sec; not yet

10:16 Techrights-sec; yes that has been a growing trend

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; I will chase again later

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; we basically became china

10:16 schestowitz-TR2; just not by name

10:24 Techrights-sec; in practice

10:24 Techrights-sec; I hope the EFF can be persuaded to resume coverage of and fights against

10:24 Techrights-sec; software patents

10:24 Techrights-sec; It looks like a matter of misplaced priorities and poor or absent long term

10:24 Techrights-sec; strategies

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; seems to be a business-minded strategy

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; like LF

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; not barking up the "wrong" trees

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; instead reaching out for low-hanging fruit on the branch

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; like women's rights

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; women are impacted by tech issues

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; but tech issues are not gendered or race-related

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; tech in general harms society if misused

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; painting their activism as protecting the vulnerable MINORITIES and WOMEN means they add another layer of division

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; where none was needed

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; you now see dumb techdirt doing trump this trump that

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; as if certain tech issues are a trump thing

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; or ssociating stuff like proprietary voting machines with "election deniers"

10:27 schestowitz-TR2; or protecting GAFAM from "republicans"

10:28 Techrights-sec; aka a sellingo-out strategy

10:28 Techrights-sec; an sw patents too

10:28 Techrights-sec; from here it looks like the race and gender issues are being used as a

10:28 Techrights-sec; distraction to prevent criticism for having veered off track from more serious

10:28 Techrights-sec; goals

10:28 Techrights-sec; ALL > MOST > MANY > SOME > A FEW

10:28 Techrights-sec; if trump were to accidently leak some gas that made a sound similar to

10:28 Techrights-sec; a position on software patents, there are two significant populations which

10:28 Techrights-sec; would dig in around that. One for, one against, and completely ignore any

10:28 Techrights-sec; facts or data. For them, the issues exist only as political footballs and

10:28 Techrights-sec; not as problems to solve or goals to acheive.

10:29 schestowitz-TR2; the british championed these strategies

10:29 schestowitz-TR2; but likely did not pioneered them

10:29 schestowitz-TR2; even a child could come up with it

10:29 schestowitz-TR2; no need for a bernays or a stalin

10:35 Techrights-sec; ack

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; curious all those articles so suddenlt ybaout water leaks in the UK

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; see?

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; it's not an overpop[ulation issue

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; blame the pipes

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; there's enougbh water

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; enough rain

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; the gardens don't need watering MORE

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; it's the pipes

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; also, maybe instead of making pipes for bombs we should install newers pipes underground

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; but this blame-shifting annoys me a great deal

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; why ALL OF A SUDDENT they worry about pipe leaks?

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; I hear the same in other countries

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; pipe leake pipe leaks

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; if there were just 5 milllion people in england it would hardly even matter

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; and gardens were not yellowing due to a scortching hear

10:56 schestowitz-TR2; heat

10:57 schestowitz-TR2; with people desperate to save their plants

10:58 schestowitz-TR2; one strange measure I saw hours ago was,

10:58 schestowitz-TR2; the leaked water could water like 5 BILLION gardens.... fro 15 MINUTES

10:58 schestowitz-TR2; what a bizarre measure

10:58 schestowitz-TR2; why 15 minutes

10:58 schestowitz-TR2; expand to 24 hours

10:58 schestowitz-TR2; and then the number does not seem as big

10:58 schestowitz-TR2; I smell a rat, and while SOME of the media says "climate" nobody talks about overpopulation, overconsumption


11 AM, August 22

11:06 schestowitz-TR2; hrights-news> PATHETIC: our government outsourced "Excess mortality in England analysis" to criminals (Microsoft) from another continent and it is proprietary. Are moles in government responsible for this? https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/excess-mortality-in-england-and-english-regions

↺ https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/excess-mortality-in-england-and-english-regions

11:06 schestowitz-TR2; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Excess mortality in England and English regions - GOV.UK

11:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Excess mortality in England and English regions - GOV.UK

11:06 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> It has now been a month and a half since this WEEKLY thing was last updated. They stopped publishing where there was a SURGE in COVID-19-linked deaths. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2021-to-2022

↺ https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2021-to-2022

11:06 schestowitz-TR2; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Weekly all-cause mortality surveillance: 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK

11:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Weekly all-cause mortality surveillance: 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK

11:07 schestowitz-TR2; is it OK to link to the git part of gemini.tm? afaik, there are no sensitive things like keys in there

11:07 schestowitz-TR2; it updates routinely on its own, using cron job in root and gemini

11:13 Techrights-sec; overconsumption and overpopulation are exacerbated by the climate crisis

11:13 Techrights-sec; pakistan and nigeria are some of the worst examples, though indonesia is catching up

11:13 Techrights-sec; most of the middle east vastly exceeded its carrying capacity decades ago

11:13 Techrights-sec; the petrochemical money is only delaying their collapse and worsening it

11:13 Techrights-sec; when it does happen

11:35 schestowitz-TR2; to see what happens:

11:35 schestowitz-TR2; crontab -l -u root

11:35 schestowitz-TR2; and crontab -l -u gemini

11:35 schestowitz-TR2; gemini does not directly interact with git

11:35 schestowitz-TR2; as you said multi-tenanted git users on the same machine leads to chaos

11:47 Techrights-sec; checking

11:47 Techrights-sec; why is list-git-files.sh root only?

11:47 Techrights-sec; It could run as gemini:gemtext no proble AFAIK

11:47 Techrights-sec; root should *not* run stuff out of /var/www/tuxmachines.org/bin/

11:47 Techrights-sec; so I would suggest 1) running it out of /usr/local/bin and 2) run it as gemini

11:48 schestowitz-TR2; yes, I figured you'd shuffle these around a bit

11:48 schestowitz-TR2; as root is not needed for webadmin-level stuff

11:48 schestowitz-TR2; the cron job too can be moved


noon, August 22

12:21 Techrights-sec; ok

12:23 schestowitz-TR2; copycats of TM existed ages ago

12:23 schestowitz-TR2; they lack the capacity and tooling

12:23 schestowitz-TR2; so they cannot 'compete'

12:23 schestowitz-TR2; with drupal at the door we can actually improve tooling

12:25 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> Bringing the BLOAT of WWW to your desktop. Dumb idea. You end up like "phones" that now need 4 cores to do something similar, and which needs a recharge every few hours. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk4/+bug/1949299 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994944

↺ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk4/+bug/1949299

↺ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994944

12:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bugs.launchpad.net | Bug #1949299 gtk4-broadwayd missing in libgtk-4-bin 4.4 (impish... : Bugs : gtk4 package : Ubuntu

12:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bugs.debian.org | #994944 - libgtk-4-bin: gtk4-broadwayd not available - Debian Bug report logs

12:43 Techrights-sec; ack

12:43 Techrights-sec; It's moved to /usr/local/bin now; I suppose it should be checked into Git

12:43 Techrights-sec; eventually.

12:45 schestowitz-TR2; thank you, excellent stuff

12:45 schestowitz-TR2; I just wanted to get some sort of proof of concept in place

12:45 schestowitz-TR2; like I said last night, busybox implementation of find meant

12:45 schestowitz-TR2; I had to change the steps a bit

12:45 schestowitz-TR2; I wonder if this find program will make it hard to cull directories for particular days when there are archives

12:45 schestowitz-TR2; it's a very crude and simplistic (incomplete) program

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1 PM, August 22

13:12 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> Hiding the Reports to Hide the Bodies (That 'Pile Up High') https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/22/piling-up-high/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/22/piling-up-high/

13:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Hiding the Reports to Hide the Bodies (That Pile Up High)

13:28 Techrights-sec; ack


2 PM, August 22

14:50 schestowitz-TR2; draft

14:50 schestowitz-TR2; could not help myself

14:51 schestowitz-TR2; he's upping the doses

14:51 schestowitz-TR2; nmever mind, finalising

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14:58 Techrights-sec; ack


3 PM, August 22

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4 PM, August 22

16:10 schestowitz-TR2; draft

16:10 schestowitz-TR2; ops, wrong image

16:10 schestowitz-TR2; wait..

16:10 Techrights-sec; checking

16:10 Techrights-sec; just noticed, the caption does not match the graphic

16:10 Techrights-sec; the rate of change is as important as the current ratio

16:11 schestowitz-TR2; corrtected images

16:11 schestowitz-TR2; you can download the data as csv from the link given there, then use libreoffice calc for extrapolations

16:11 schestowitz-TR2; I'm not that good at calc

16:11 schestowitz-TR2; took me a while to find just a way to sort by column, numerically...

16:12 Techrights-sec; ok checking

16:12 Techrights-sec; do you have the link handy?

16:13 schestowitz__[TR]; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/russian-federation/#monthly-202202-202208

↺ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/russian-federation/#monthly-202202-202208

16:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Russian Federation | Statcounter Global Stats

16:13 schestowitz__[TR]; Download date (URL)

16:13 schestowitz-TR2; *data

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16:22 Techrights-sec; thanks

16:22 Techrights-sec; for the last six months, it has been declining at about 1.3% per month, but

16:22 Techrights-sec; picking up speed

16:23 Techrights-sec; s/at about/at a rate of about/

16:23 Techrights-sec; OS X is approximately stable, iOS is growing ever so slightly and Android

16:23 Techrights-sec; growing a bit more

16:23 Techrights-sec; s/more/faster/

16:23 Techrights-sec; Plain GNU/Linux is more or less stable

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; I've meanwhile added two more paragraphs

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; I find spreadsheet software GUIs a bit overwhelming

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; for some functionality

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; rianne has the same issue

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; you know what you want but not how to do it

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; can the curve fitting simulate trends based on some mathematical models?

16:29 schestowitz-TR2; I guess not

16:29 Techrights-sec; R is better for stats than LibreOffice, for the most part but more complex

16:29 Techrights-sec; and with only six data points, there is not much enough to estimate a larger

16:29 Techrights-sec; trend

16:30 schestowitz-TR2; politics is a special factor too

16:30 schestowitz-TR2; and we don't know what happens next year

16:32 schestowitz-TR2; less market share

16:32 schestowitz-TR2; lower budget

16:33 schestowitz-TR2; fewer stuff

16:33 schestowitz-TR2; lower bribes

16:33 schestowitz-TR2; competing mole

16:33 schestowitz-TR2; go back to top (less market share)

16:33 schestowitz-TR2; death spiral

16:33 schestowitz-TR2; /s stuff/ staff/

16:33 Techrights-sec; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/russian-federation#monthly-202108-202208

↺ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/russian-federation#monthly-202108-202208

16:33 Techrights-sec; going back a year the rate of decline was slower. so as mentioned the

16:33 Techrights-sec; decline is accelrating

16:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Russian Federation | Statcounter Global Stats

16:35 schestowitz-TR2; if they announce vista 12, 13, 14 every summer

16:35 schestowitz-TR2; it'll kill them

16:35 schestowitz-TR2; too many builds/codebases to maintain

16:35 schestowitz-TR2; assurance of low quality

16:35 schestowitz-TR2; I posted links to that effect this morning

16:35 schestowitz-TR2; edge is also not sustainable

16:35 Techrights-sec; people are used to the low quality and tolerate it getting worse with each

16:35 Techrights-sec; new release

16:35 Techrights-sec; edge is just a repackaging of chromium with some proprietary M$-only additions

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; thought: the unfortunate side effect of oem strangelehold is,

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; people come to think of "phones" as stable

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; and abandon the desktop altogether

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; macs are too expensive

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; chromos is too limiting... tor clown OS

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; soo instead of exploring desktops that run OK for 300 days

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; they move to skinnerboxes

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; from one trap to another

16:37 schestowitz-TR2; s/tor/toy/


5 PM, August 22

17:04 psydroid2; vista 12, 13, 14 etc.

17:04 psydroid2; none of them will get any adoption

17:04 psydroid2; people are reluctant to even move to vista 11

17:13 schestowitz-TR2; right

17:13 schestowitz-TR2; there's an issue

17:14 schestowitz-TR2; they killed the hype

17:14 schestowitz-TR2; of new OS

17:14 schestowitz-TR2; now they just called service packs "new OS"

17:14 schestowitz-TR2; and nobody gets excited

17:14 schestowitz-TR2; it's like beta testing

17:14 Techrights-sec; phones are being pushed from several directions and have the unfortunate

17:14 Techrights-sec; characteristic of being far less secure than even M$ products

17:14 Techrights-sec; then on top of that you have both the phone UI and the "apps" it runs

17:14 Techrights-sec; acting as skinner boxes

17:15 schestowitz-TR2; draft

17:15 schestowitz-TR2; summary intentionally blank


6 PM, August 22

18:21 schestowitz-TR2; Spent a long time search in vain for any data on gitlab and github losing/gaining market share as chart. You'd think with all that "fake" "media" out there someone would have researched this already, but there seem to be no comparative measurements at all. They all fake it. PR and secret data to secure the PR.

18:21 schestowitz-TR2; There is hardly tech media anymore. PR and marketing operations that call themselves "media companies" aren't media companies but advertisers, sellouts. They literally lie, even intentionally, for companies and orgs.

18:21 schestowitz-TR2; (NEW): Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.gmi

↺ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.shtml

↺ gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.gmi

18:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New

18:21 schestowitz-TR2; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New

18:21 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> Even when you give the media breaking stories or exclusive info these days they turn it down because "it's a lot of work"; more then rewriting press releases (lies)...

18:21 schestowitz-TR2; <-- psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving)

18:21 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> Today's media isn't just ignoring the corruption or enabling it. It's part of it, it's an active participant.

18:21 schestowitz-TR2; new narratives: you are a bigot supporting trump if you moan about the corrupt media; you are a bigot supporting trump if you moan about the proprietary back-doored voting machines; you are a antivaxxer for moaning about Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein etc. They take legitimate problems end try to associate the critics with extremism.


7 PM, August 22

19:01 schestowitz-TR2; (re raspi:)

19:01 schestowitz-TR2; is that still going on, not just in reddit?

19:01 schestowitz-TR2; you can tell them and give links showing that Microsoft commits serious crimes all around thr world

19:01 schestowitz-TR2; and it's inane for raspi to then give Microsoft control over clients' products, more so without telling them

19:01 schestowitz-TR2; no consent

19:01 schestowitz-TR2; but afaik that waas 18 months ago

19:01 schestowitz-TR2; and I saw nothing that suggests they still do that

19:01 schestowitz-TR2; hopefully had enough impact to deter

19:13 schestowitz-TR2; ---

19:13 schestowitz-TR2; protecting criminals from critics se4emas like a tenet of coc

19:19 schestowitz-TR2; I hope we have decent offsite backups of TM and TR

19:19 schestowitz-TR2; not because of technial issues, the disk is not OK, FS also

19:19 schestowitz-TR2; but we made a lot of changes not at the level of DB

19:19 Techrights-sec; ack

19:30 starstreak; schestowitz-TR2, who are you talking to?

19:30 starstreak; it looks like you're having a conversation with yourself

19:31 schestowitz-TR2; no, it's sort of internal discussion

19:31 schestowitz-TR2; but released here for transparency, too

19:31 starstreak; fair enough

19:31 starstreak; it was making me think that you had other people running your bots

19:32 schestowitz-TR2; the irc bots are manually operated

19:32 schestowitz-TR2; by me

19:33 schestowitz-TR2; development and sysadmin is done by several people

19:36 starstreak; good to know

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