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beginning of new day, January 22

00:24 schestowitz-TR; 30% Increase in UK Deaths, Including Young People https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/22/scandal-of-excess-deaths/

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00:24 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive 30% Increase in UK Deaths, Including Young People


6 AM, January 22

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7 AM, January 22

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07:55 schestowitz[TR]; troll having a stab at it again today; can't stop me, just slow me down a little. Now I have far more time not just for TR but also to properly research the stuff (very in-depth, raw evidence included)

07:56 schestowitz[TR]; I found some interesting stuff about ISO

07:56 schestowitz[TR]; but need to properly present it for more impact//salarity

07:56 schestowitz[TR]; *clarity


8 AM, January 22

08:01 schestowitz-TR; apropos iso, the existence of this series just serves to show that all that iso red tape is total bs

08:01 schestowitz-TR; gdpr aside, people who write things cannot be denied access to things they wrote, it's like drm - a fantasy

08:01 schestowitz-TR; fsfe tried to weaponise gdpr against pocock and it just backfired

08:15 techrigthssec; Glyn Moody pointed out Benjamin White's article which mentioned article

08:15 techrigthssec; 16(3) of the Finnish Constitution and which might be relevant not just

08:15 techrigthssec; in regards to copyright but also in regards of ridding the national

08:15 techrigthssec; institutions of m$ products, especially its formats.

08:15 techrigthssec; (kind of overlaps with DRM there)

08:15 schestowitz-TR; I saw that yesterday

08:15 schestowitz-TR; thought about pasting in irc too

08:56 techrigthssec; The formats aren't just a theoretical threat but have been used time and again

08:56 techrigthssec; to exclude competition including competition from older versions of their own

08:56 techrigthssec; productivity suite

08:56 techrigthssec; It's not a great distance to leap to show the role that DRM plays in hindering

08:56 techrigthssec; either open science, arts, etc

08:59 schestowitz-TR; anything "open" or Commons is seen as "not privatised YET"

08:59 schestowitz-TR; vaccine knowledge

08:59 schestowitz-TR; NHS


9 AM, January 22

09:00 schestowitz-TR; etc etc

09:00 schestowitz-TR; they can turn schools to into BUSINESSES

09:00 schestowitz-TR; and then hail the "successful business people"

09:00 schestowitz-TR; composers, conductors, actual musicians ---> sony

09:00 schestowitz-TR; i do not mind paying for water treatment, energy generation, even internet

09:00 schestowitz-TR; (british net infra is relativelt robust)

09:00 schestowitz-TR; those do take actual work, plus maintenance

09:00 schestowitz-TR; we listen to karen carpenter atm

09:00 schestowitz-TR; if we bought her albums, WHO would get paid?

09:00 schestowitz-TR; she died so long ago

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09:03 techrigthssec;

09:03 techrigthssec; s/can turn/did already turn/

09:17 techrigthssec; Look at the mystery of the lost money from the late Marc Bolan and T Rex

09:17 techrigthssec; His son spend *many* years trying to find out where any of it went

09:18 techrigthssec; hmm. can't find an authoritative / relevant link atm

09:18 techrigthssec; There were a few investigative articles about it

09:35 schestowitz-TR; seems like a motif/theme

09:35 schestowitz-TR; when the car carries one person, out of sight of many

09:35 schestowitz-TR; in malta and libya even car bombs

09:35 schestowitz-TR; one by mafia, the latter british spies

09:35 schestowitz-TR; hastings is another

09:35 schestowitz-TR; it'll get worse and harder to detect/investigate as cars get "smarter"

09:38 techrigthssec; Much easier with the networked cars filled with proprietary software

09:39 schestowitz-TR; it can be remotely tampered before AND AFTER

09:39 schestowitz-TR; first for stealth

09:39 schestowitz-TR; later for coverup

09:39 schestowitz-TR; history -c

09:39 schestowitz-TR; rm -rf /tmp /var/log/*

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10 AM, January 22

10:15 schestowitz-TR; the term lost its meaning

10:15 schestowitz-TR; it used to mean something more precise

10:15 schestowitz-TR; now it's a junk term like "smart"

10:17 techrigthssec; There must be an accurate term for automated programming done by statistical

10:17 techrigthssec; analysis of obscene quantities of data and permutations.

10:17 techrigthssec; Yes, the point a bout brute force needs to be highlighted in nearly all

10:17 techrigthssec; examples.

10:17 schestowitz-TR; it's a bunch of things

10:17 schestowitz-TR; nlp

10:17 schestowitz-TR; statistics

10:17 schestowitz-TR; or the two combined

10:17 schestowitz-TR; for image there is fusion

10:17 schestowitz-TR; but that's not always ML

10:17 schestowitz-TR; and lots of it is crap

10:17 schestowitz-TR; compensated for by crute force

10:17 schestowitz-TR; like plagiarising billions of texts

10:17 schestowitz-TR; then saying bing will do HEY HI

10:17 schestowitz-TR; while FIRING the bing staff

10:18 schestowitz-TR; for now I've quit checking the rumour mill

10:18 schestowitz-TR; hard to find signal there

10:18 schestowitz-TR; gonna open the SN links now, then do daily linkls

10:24 schestowitz-TR; gone throughj the urls quikckly, in passing

10:24 schestowitz-TR; plagiarism is a very old problems

10:24 schestowitz-TR; plagiarism and nlp are very old problems in CS

10:24 schestowitz-TR; see SCIGen for instance

10:24 schestowitz-TR; slashdot too covered that in its "golden" days

10:24 schestowitz-TR; the "sudden" hype disturbs me

10:24 schestowitz-TR; biab, gonna focus on links, will avoid multitasking to avoid distraction/slowdown

10:24 schestowitz-TR; want to do some backups by monday

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11 AM, January 22

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11:15 techrigthssec; ack

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noon, January 22

12:40 schestowitz-TR; daily links done, doing rss now

12:40 schestowitz-TR; topics welcome

12:40 schestowitz-TR; iso will be among the next targets

12:40 schestowitz-TR; many parts

12:42 techrigthssec; including the MOOX scandal in all the comnpnent ISO committees in each

12:42 techrigthssec; member country?

12:43 schestowitz-TR; it links to the wiki about ISO

12:49 schestowitz-TR; firsthand account of iso as papermill is damaghing enough

12:54 schestowitz-TR; good news: intensity of FUD and attacks on Linux lately, or so far this year, down notably

12:54 schestowitz-TR; I hope it means budget for things like "sponsoring" SFC has gone down

12:57 techrigthssec; Maybe m$ is realizing that it is about out of money and has already cut back

12:57 techrigthssec; on the departments dealing with financing shills and astroturfers?

12:58 schestowitz-TR; "marketing" explicitly mentioned among the cuts

12:58 schestowitz-TR; so I joked it would mean less shills/astroturfing

12:58 schestowitz-TR; "media partners" and all that...


1 PM, January 22

13:13 techrigthssec; Marketing used to be very clearly the largest single line item in m$ budget.

13:13 techrigthssec; However, when they got ridiculed for that, it appears that they split up

13:13 techrigthssec; the marketing among all the various sections to hide how much larger it has

13:13 techrigthssec; grown. M$ "Research" is basically sales / marketing.

13:13 techrigthssec; and little to no actual (computer) science

13:14 schestowitz-TR; yes, lewis showed the numbers before

13:14 schestowitz-TR; concluded marketing with the biggest unit

13:14 schestowitz-TR; calling it "marketing" is itself marketing

13:14 schestowitz-TR; i.e. misleading

13:14 schestowitz-TR; in nigeria, microsoft called bribery to cut off gnu/linux "marketing help"

13:16 techrigthssec; Looking at the Old version of Slashdot from 2002. No wonder m$ wanted it dead.

13:16 techrigthssec; IIRC it was announced in 2002 or 2003 that the largest line item was marketing.

13:16 techrigthssec; The next quarter's SEC filing had that "fixed" as mentioned above.

13:17 schestowitz-TR; *cough LF Research(TM) *cough*

13:17 schestowitz-TR; marketed by MS Perlow

13:17 schestowitz-TR; 'Research' for Snyk


2 PM, January 22

14:44 schestowitz-TR; So Much Sex On YouTube! Are They Trying To Compete With The Hub? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BPNWzCnIsw0 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/BPNWzCnIsw0

↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BPNWzCnIsw0

↺ gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/BPNWzCnIsw0

14:44 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | So Much Sex On YouTube! Are They Trying To Compete With The Hub? - Invidious


3 PM, January 22

15:00 techrigthssec; ack

15:00 schestowitz-TR; tumblr for videos?

15:39 techrigthssec; No idea

15:39 techrigthssec; As discussed a long while back YouTube's business model might not be

15:39 techrigthssec; economically viable.

15:44 schestowitz-TR; ag red? iirc, that was the name, "red".

15:44 schestowitz-TR; and iirc, they had other paid-for experiments/options

15:44 schestowitz-TR; that's when you knew something was amiss

15:44 schestowitz-TR; iirc, shut down due to lack of demand

15:44 schestowitz-TR; same as cnn's premium opffering

15:44 schestowitz-TR; i never watched netflix anywhere

15:44 schestowitz-TR; so not sure how it works (i read about "password-sharing", podesta did that too)

15:44 schestowitz-TR; netflix competes against youtube economics

15:44 schestowitz-TR; not hd or lesser hd

15:44 schestowitz-TR; but if youtube operates at a loss,

15:44 schestowitz-TR; then netflix basically competes with "below zero"

15:44 schestowitz-TR; they do the "uber modus"

15:44 schestowitz-TR; if they charge more or curtail "sharing", people can turn to USB, external disks, iptv etc.

15:44 schestowitz-TR; a lot of "modern" "tech" is a bubblew

15:44 schestowitz-TR; running on the money or riding the capital of oil, pension funds, and speculation

15:44 schestowitz-TR; hence microsoft, despite CLAIMING to be super-profitable, is makign deep cuts

15:44 schestowitz-TR; they all play poker and wait for time to fold

15:44 schestowitz-TR; now, they realise no winner is imminent and show the doors, don't expect many to ask for payrise in this climate

15:45 schestowitz-TR; > remember gulag red? iirc, that was the name, "red".

15:45 schestowitz-TR; and iirc, they had other paid-for experiments/options

15:45 schestowitz-TR; i meant youtube red, did not loo to check. youtube pays the "Creator" a lot less, they're not happy; 60% revenue

15:45 schestowitz-TR; share not goes to the host, not the creator that does like, 90% of the actual work

15:56 techrigthssec; Netflix has its own economic problems and it ships around large servers filled

15:56 techrigthssec; with fully-loaded hard drives to try to reduce the amount of bandwidth wasted.

15:56 techrigthssec; One of the main roles that Netflix and the other streaming services seems to

15:56 techrigthssec; fill is as a promoter of TBL's move to a non-open, DRM'd web to replace trhe

15:56 techrigthssec; open WWW we had until quite recently.

15:56 techrigthssec; Tiktok is information warfare, especially psyops against the west.

15:56 techrigthssec; That was made 100% clear by the CBS 60-Minutes segment on it a while back.

15:56 techrigthssec; Aside from CBS itself, it got *NO* coverage in the mainstream and almost none

15:56 techrigthssec; even on the fringes.

15:57 techrigthssec; ByteDance is not just mentally crippling a whole generation in the west,

15:57 techrigthssec; it is breaking them off from the continuity of culture and history, rendering

15:57 techrigthssec; them incapable of inheriting the reins when they would otherwise have become

15:57 techrigthssec; old enough for that to have happened.

15:57 techrigthssec; https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tiktok-in-china-versus-the-united-states-60-minutes/

↺ https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tiktok-in-china-versus-the-united-states-60-minutes/

15:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cbsnews.com | TikTok in China versus the United States | 60 Minutes - CBS News

15:57 techrigthssec; """

15:57 techrigthssec; You must connect to your TV Provider to watch this video.

15:57 techrigthssec; """

15:57 techrigthssec; In contrast, in Red China, Bytedance limits access by youth in two ways.

15:57 techrigthssec; First, instead of maximizing the time spent (I hear of 4, 6 or more hours per

15:57 techrigthssec; day) the kids there are limited to no more than 40 minutes per day. Second,

15:57 techrigthssec; they are shown science and other educational videos, not how to choke themselves

15:57 techrigthssec; to death, knock out their own teeth, or eat dishwasher detergent.

15:57 schestowitz-TR; like i said, i'm all ears about tiktok, netflix etc. ZERO hands-on experience.

15:58 schestowitz-TR; I tried "gaming" things the other day in house of fraser

15:58 schestowitz-TR; helped me keep up with "state of the art", hands on literally

15:58 schestowitz-TR; it was mostly underwhelming


4 PM, January 22

16:01 techrigthssec; If you really are interested in Bytedance/Tiktok, get the above CBS 60-Minutes

16:01 techrigthssec; segment and take detailed notes while watching.

16:01 techrigthssec; Anyway, those 4 to 6 hours per day wasted in bytedance are not just lost

16:01 techrigthssec; they are spend being programmed into who knows what but whatever it is it has

16:01 techrigthssec; no continuity with any culture existing on the planet.

16:01 techrigthssec; Instead of addressing the national security problem head on, the talking

16:01 techrigthssec; heads and pundits blather on and on about "privacy". While privacy is an

16:01 techrigthssec; actual problem, it is only a step along the path. Same for the addictiveness

16:01 techrigthssec; of these skinner boxes, though that is rarely mentioned. It is the active

16:01 techrigthssec; programming done by these adaptive skinner boxes which is as problematic

16:01 techrigthssec; as the group controling the programming.

16:02 schestowitz-TR; could you make the case trhat this is like us state programming via tv, escept

16:02 schestowitz-TR; more hours per day

16:02 schestowitz-TR; and alwaysd in the pocket

16:02 schestowitz-TR; and more harmful "content" with little quality control

16:02 schestowitz-TR; and yet worse, intentionally bad things?

16:05 psydruid; I've read that they adapted TikTok/ByteDance to western preferences

16:05 techrigthssec; No, while TV certainly is one-way corporate programming, it is not adaptive

16:05 techrigthssec; to the individual nor highly addictive.

16:05 techrigthssec; https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-726145

↺ https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-726145

16:05 techrigthssec; Though I do suspect that the TV (incl netflix, hulu, etc) intentionlly spread

16:05 techrigthssec; harmful attitudes and values by design. The whole "reality tv" trope really

16:05 techrigthssec; has modified global society in a bad way: those that excell are not to be

16:05 techrigthssec; emulated but ganged up on and torn down by small people

16:05 techrigthssec; The "reality tv" provides a template for how they can do that

16:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-726145 )

↺ https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-726145

16:05 techrigthssec; and provides, by being an observed model, encouragement to do so.

16:05 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: spinach and opium

16:06 schestowitz-TR; they use it as a weapon outside China

16:06 schestowitz-TR; like British opium wars

16:06 schestowitz-TR; causing the population to be mentally sedated

16:07 techrigthssec; Not just sedated but dependent and injured.

16:09 techrigthssec; At 4+ hours per day it retards actual social and mental development.

16:09 techrigthssec; on purpose.

16:11 schestowitz-TR; if DT si correct, we'll see what youtube's promotion of sex will cause

16:11 schestowitz-TR; I hadn't heard of this phenomenon before today

16:11 schestowitz-TR; i also don't know how pr0nhub works

16:12 schestowitz-TR; and whether they can compete with that thing

16:12 schestowitz-TR; streaming pr0n was always a very bad idea

16:12 techrigthssec; The competition is probably monopoly by now and youtube won't be able to break

16:12 techrigthssec; in and the same old storage costs will bite them anyway

16:14 schestowitz-TR; i think vimeo, gulagtube etc. are unique in this regad

16:14 schestowitz-TR; user-uploaded and shared "catalogues"

16:14 schestowitz-TR; unlike netflix

16:14 schestowitz-TR; i think pr0nhub is something more like netflix, or a breed in-between

16:14 schestowitz-TR; so bandwidth, not storage costs, may cost a lot

16:15 schestowitz-TR; plus licensing

16:15 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: big match about to start

16:15 schestowitz-TR; not watching any of them, just checking the table (points, not goals)

16:15 psydruid; yeah

16:15 schestowitz-TR; i herad the 3 goals here

16:15 schestowitz-TR; i cannot not hear them

16:15 schestowitz-TR; every room

16:16 psydruid; btw, our two wingers anrsd best playe were sold to Liverpool and Chelsea in recent weeks

16:16 schestowitz-TR; i can tell the score just by listening

16:16 psydruid; they have insane amounts of money so they can buy anyone they want

16:16 psydruid; and*

16:16 psydruid; players*

16:16 schestowitz-TR; "our"?

16:16 schestowitz-TR; NL?

16:16 psydruid; PSV Eindhoven

16:17 schestowitz-TR; LFC and Chelsea seem knackered

16:17 psydruid; the club I've supported since I was a child in the late 80s

16:17 psydruid; yes

16:17 psydruid; I saw that one yesterday

16:17 psydruid; it was horrendous

16:17 schestowitz-TR; rianne was loling

16:17 psydruid; all that money gone to waste

16:17 psydruid; it looked like amateur football

16:17 schestowitz-TR; maybe lfc's owner want exit strategy

16:17 schestowitz-TR; gave away their best striker

16:18 schestowitz-TR; for cheap

16:18 schestowitz-TR; 50 mil iirc

16:18 schestowitz-TR; fcb paid like 100 for their previous leading striker

16:18 psydruid; it looks like clubs in NL and DE are run much more financially responsibly

16:18 schestowitz-TR; iirc, lfc was planning the sell the club

16:18 psydruid; relying much on youth to break into first teams

16:18 schestowitz-TR; a decade ago they pursued famous criminal billy as a buyer

16:19 psydruid; and then selling those at profit to clubs with owners who have infinitely sized pockets

16:19 techrigthssec; I've not read an analysis of the business model or costs.

16:19 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: tax evasion

16:19 schestowitz-TR; uk/london

16:19 schestowitz-TR; buy a club

16:19 schestowitz-TR; lobby

16:19 schestowitz-TR; save tax

16:19 schestowitz-TR; sportwashing

16:21 psydruid; that's what's happening

16:21 psydruid; the difference is that it's done at a massive scale

16:21 psydruid; compared to what happens in minor leagues like romania

16:23 schestowitz-TR; i stopped watching

16:23 schestowitz-TR; cold turkey

16:23 schestowitz-TR; don't check who scores, either

16:23 schestowitz-TR; we have two potent club here

16:23 psydruid; I think football is still a great sport to do

16:23 psydruid; and to watch as well

16:23 schestowitz-TR; building a positive image

16:23 psydruid; but I think it's better to support the grassroots

16:23 schestowitz-TR; i've not played in tears

16:23 schestowitz-TR; since corona

16:24 psydruid; I haven't either

16:24 schestowitz-TR; i'm a goalie since childhood

16:24 schestowitz-TR; it's a shame because I want to play

16:24 schestowitz-TR; and I rarely see groups here

16:24 psydruid; having had covid three times really makes a difference

16:24 schestowitz-TR; not even 5-a-side

16:24 schestowitz-TR; probably too busy with their skinnerboxes

16:24 schestowitz-TR; in uni we did 5-a-side a lot

16:24 psydruid; I played as a goalkeeper for a few years because I was good at it

16:25 schestowitz-TR; 3 times, wow

16:25 psydruid; but I'm actually a field player

16:25 schestowitz-TR; like my mom

16:25 schestowitz-TR; she now has medical concerns

16:25 schestowitz-TR; phoned me about it 2 hours ago

16:25 psydruid; even during my final year as a goalkeeper I played as a second striker a few times

16:25 schestowitz-TR; i can do field also

16:25 psydruid; so the reserve goalkeeper went into goal

16:25 schestowitz-TR; but my dribbling is not god enough

16:25 schestowitz-TR; *good

16:25 schestowitz-TR; hence, more defence position

16:26 schestowitz-TR; or hybrid like ederson

16:26 psydruid; you learn it by playing outside

16:26 schestowitz-TR; goalies that cannot use the feet well are worthless, esp. in 5 a side\

16:26 psydruid; I think I just did it for fun with schoolmates

16:26 psydruid; and when I was 8 the local football club came asking my parents to join

16:26 schestowitz-TR; goalie : field + hands

16:26 schestowitz-TR; not hands + field

16:27 psydruid; yeah

16:27 psydruid; now more so than back in the day

16:27 schestowitz-TR; yes, "modern goalkeeper"

16:27 psydruid; I was called Van der Sar by our captain

16:27 schestowitz-TR; the german captain used to take the free kicks

16:27 psydruid; because I was actually a field player who went into goal

16:27 schestowitz-TR; kahn

16:27 schestowitz-TR; and also covered goal

16:28 schestowitz-TR; jurgen era

16:28 schestowitz-TR; i never stayed only in goal

16:28 schestowitz-TR; as that would not let me develop legwork

16:28 schestowitz-TR; btw, I still have many dreams about it

16:28 schestowitz-TR; usually goal stuff as a teen

16:28 schestowitz-TR; it keeps coming back at night

16:28 schestowitz-TR; even this past week

16:29 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/sport/

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16:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Sport

16:29 schestowitz; got soem medals

16:29 schestowitz; 2nd place

16:29 schestowitz; with a truly crap team

16:29 schestowitz; they did rely on me, not the other way around

16:30 schestowitz; oops, wrong url

16:30 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/sports.htm

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16:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | Sports

16:31 schestowitz-TR; kickoff

16:32 psydruid; oh right

16:39 schestowitz-TR; don't know if there are goals

16:39 schestowitz-TR; old trafford is way too far

16:40 schestowitz-TR; 2+ miles away, i think

16:44 schestowitz-TR; Setting a new focus for my blog https://drewdevault.com/2023/01/22/2023-01-22-A-new-focus.html Source: Drew DeVault | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//drewdevault.com/2023/01/22/2023-01-22-A-new-focus.html

↺ https://drewdevault.com/2023/01/22/2023-01-22-A-new-focus.html

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16:44 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drewdevault.com | Setting a new focus for my blog

16:45 psydruid; they're playing at the Emirates

16:46 schestowitz-TR; i was just guessing the location

16:47 schestowitz-TR; btw, weird for us-owned team to have a stadium called that

16:50 psydruid; they've completely sold out anything to do with the club

16:50 schestowitz-TR; 0-1 United :D

16:50 psydruid; they're finally playing good football again

16:50 psydruid; after almost a decade

16:51 schestowitz-TR; because ronaldo LEFT

16:51 schestowitz-TR; that's when they stopped losing

16:51 schestowitz-TR; now the "old horse" is in the land of "let's eat camel"

16:51 psydruid; I would say the new Dutch coach has had a hand in it

16:51 psydruid; I like to say that United are cheating a bit

16:51 schestowitz-TR; he lost the first two games

16:52 schestowitz-TR; seemed like disaster

16:52 schestowitz-TR; like that guy de bohr

16:52 schestowitz-TR; [sic]

16:52 schestowitz-TR; who was sacked after only 4 games, iirc

16:52 psydruid; it takes time to completely change things

16:52 schestowitz-TR; shortest coasing career ever

16:52 psydruid; well, De Boer was a disaster

16:52 schestowitz-TR; was it crystal palance?

16:52 psydruid; yes

16:52 schestowitz-TR; anyway, goin g to sleep now

16:52 psydruid; and Inter Milan before


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