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beginning of new day, October 21

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1 AM, October 21

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2 AM, October 21

02:19 schestowitz-TR; lousy article

02:19 schestowitz-TR; just like "tweets"

02:19 schestowitz-TR; does not provide any info on what was said

02:19 schestowitz-TR; very little subnstance in it

02:19 schestowitz-TR; read it a second time

02:19 schestowitz-TR; it is also syunningly short

02:19 schestowitz-TR; low budget, 4 paragraphs

02:19 schestowitz-TR; it's like 4 tweets fused into an 'article

02:19 schestowitz-TR; it would not susprised me if it started as yle tweetso

02:19 schestowitz-TR; or, if they postsed this article in twitter as 4 tweets

02:19 schestowitz-TR; and some stock photograph not related to this bunch of incidents

02:19 schestowitz-TR; like michael phorosoft posting tweets as long 'articles'

02:19 schestowitz-TR; mostly a dozen or so links to himse,f to drive "engagement"

02:19 schestowitz-TR; or do 40-line article on a commit like 2 lines added to a header .h file

02:19 schestowitz-TR; in the early 2000s the Net had far longer and more detailed articles

02:19 schestowitz-TR; those still exist but are rare

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02:22 techrights-sec; Twenty years ago there were still many competing, quality news sites and

02:22 techrights-sec; magazines. IIRC that was before Wired was sold off, too.

02:22 techrights-sec; Once sold, it stopped covering policy aspects.

02:27 schestowitz-TR; theverge is partly owned by comcast now

02:27 schestowitz-TR; just so that you are aware

02:27 schestowitz-TR; nilesh did a Signal 'interview' the other day

02:27 schestowitz-TR; the botto of the papage makes it clear who owns them now

02:27 schestowitz-TR; but not the top oft he chaom

02:27 schestowitz-TR; *chain

02:27 schestowitz-TR; comcast over a third

02:27 schestowitz-TR; *Nilay, not Nilesh

02:27 schestowitz-TR; wikipedia says both theverge and vox were founded/laucnhed on the very same day

02:27 schestowitz-TR; that must be wrong

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02:29 techrights-sec; I stopped covering The Verge for the most part after the UI redesign made

02:29 techrights-sec; it innavigable. It is impossible to get an overview of which articles are

02:29 techrights-sec; current and the writing style has changed so you can't see what the article

02:29 techrights-sec; is actually about until well through the article. All in all it looks redesigned for "engagement" rather than en

02:29 techrights-sec; lightenment.

02:29 techrights-sec; Wikipedia is usually full of shit. Too bad. It can be useful in some contexts

02:29 techrights-sec; but only as a means of finding external links. Even then, they have

02:29 techrights-sec; curated the selection of external links so as to hide certain facts and

02:29 techrights-sec; steer perception in particular directions.

02:30 schestowitz-TR; we have more info on friedman

02:30 schestowitz-TR; he might still be at microsoft

02:30 schestowitz-TR; or out-of-date info

02:30 schestowitz-TR; we'll get around to that, eventually

02:30 schestowitz-TR; he seems to be hiring some PR firms

02:30 schestowitz-TR; hiding stuff

02:31 techrights-sec; One thing it seems ok at, due to the external links, is finding out which

02:31 techrights-sec; license a given piece of Free and Open Source Software is under. The project

02:31 techrights-sec; pages often have been given the appearance of corporate brochures and are thus

02:31 techrights-sec; devoid of any useful information about the project. So Wikipedia is useful

02:31 techrights-sec; to /quickly/ find the link to the license and avoid 30 minutes of annoying

02:31 techrights-sec; search engine drudgery.

02:31 techrights-sec; His use of PR firms to spin perception would be par for the course. My only

02:31 techrights-sec; question there is how much help, in guidance and financial support, his use

02:32 techrights-sec; of PR firms has gotten directly from HQ

02:38 schestowitz-TR; sites that are for uk general news are lacking in TR

02:38 schestowitz-TR; for australian it's mostly michael west

02:38 schestowitz-TR; canada also lacking, i think

02:38 schestowitz-TR; but it's because so many are compromised

02:38 schestowitz-TR; guardian, billbc etc.

02:38 schestowitz-TR; sending traffic to them is googlejuice for malicious state-connected PR and billness

02:38 schestowitz-TR; there are some domains I opccasionally link to but wish I could avoid

02:38 schestowitz-TR; but on the www the choices (of sources) become fewer

02:38 schestowitz-TR; and gulag noise recently re-added tracking to rss

02:38 schestowitz-TR; so when you click a link gulag registers what is clicked

02:38 schestowitz-TR; that changed happened less than 24 hours ago, at least in uk

02:38 schestowitz-TR; (I keep two feeds there to fish out any 'linux' sites whose rss feeds I've not added yet...

02:38 schestowitz-TR; atm almost anything there can be ignored as I find the same directly aleady)

02:39 schestowitz-TR; g2g 2 bed

02:39 schestowitz-TR; bbl

02:42 techrights-sec; ack


3 AM, October 21

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6 AM, October 21

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9 AM, October 21

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09:12 schestowitz-TR; gm

09:12 schestowitz-TR; alex begs me to stop writing about him

09:12 schestowitz-TR; but fails to point out any incorrect things

09:12 schestowitz-TR; so that means we hiy where it hurts

09:12 schestowitz-TR; that also hurt nat and miguel

09:12 techrights-sec; gm

09:12 techrights-sec; no inaccuracies; probably usefu to highlight both his moral support from m$ as

09:12 techrights-sec; well as how he represents their corporate culture and values?

09:14 schestowitz-TR; I don't plan to respond, only to post more when the time is right

09:14 schestowitz-TR; there's more in there than just him, it is a network of pervert

09:14 schestowitz-TR; I'm told Nat Friedman is "the harvey weinstein of silicon valley"

09:14 schestowitz-TR; getting naked at parties and stuff

09:14 schestowitz-TR; but need more material before making this kind of analogy

09:16 mjg59_; There's kind of a distinction between taking your clothes off and raping people

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09:27 schestowitz-TR; indecent exposure is an offense

09:27 techrights-sec; ack

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10 AM, October 21

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10:10 schestowitz-TR; links to come later today?

10:10 schestowitz-TR; baib, gym..

10:10 schestowitz-TR; no hurry :-)

10:10 techrights-sec; yes


11 AM, October 21

11:00 schestowitz-TR; still no word about "smart" phones

11:00 schestowitz-TR; it was "asap" start of last week

11:00 schestowitz-TR; and this week is ending

11:00 schestowitz-TR; I hope I killed it :-)

11:04 schestowitz-TR; btw, last night I took a peek at the gemini public stats page

11:04 schestowitz-TR; I very seldom check it

11:04 schestowitz-TR; it shows that our OLD stuff about IBM and also LF is gaining traction

11:04 schestowitz-TR; the DDG one wanes, as more sites now cover the Microsoft connections

11:04 schestowitz-TR; so we're not "exclusive"

11:04 schestowitz-TR; I think something goes on at IBM and we're the only ones who covered it

11:04 schestowitz-TR; so the links circulate, maybe internally

11:04 schestowitz-TR; the icbm attacks on fsf came after they hire several managers from microsoft

11:04 schestowitz-TR; so you can imagine them there in boardrooms and stuff

11:04 techrights-sec; One can hope that the idea of "smartphones" at work has been killed off.

11:04 techrights-sec; Aren't a lot of peopel quitting IBM in addition to those that are fired?

11:04 techrights-sec; I saw a few digs against RMS by some idiots the other day, too. So there

11:04 techrights-sec; are still malfeasants circulating lies and disinformation.

11:06 schestowitz-TR; ime, this predates 2019

11:06 schestowitz-TR; but increased in

11:06 schestowitz-TR; frequency

11:06 schestowitz-TR; and tenacity (of allegations)

11:06 schestowitz-TR; after 2019

11:06 schestowitz-TR; even if much of that is untrue

11:06 schestowitz-TR; many fale articles stay online

11:06 schestowitz-TR; including MS-ZDNet, thanks SJVN!!

11:39 psydruid; RMS was/is an existential threat to those companies

11:39 psydruid; so RMS must be terminated

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noon, October 21

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12:20 schestowitz-TR; Gardiner Bryant for Microsoft's proprietary garbage. AKA "Linux Gamer"... now just Steam (DRM) shill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7-vdorVC0

↺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7-vdorVC0

12:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=ky7-vdorVC0

↺ https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=ky7-vdorVC0

12:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | UPDATED: Play Minecraft on your Steam Deck the EASY WAY. - Invidious

12:26 techrights-sec; ack

12:26 techrights-sec; I forgot he might still be around. He stopped having anything relevant once

12:26 techrights-sec; he sold out. I checked on his videos periodically for some months, but

12:26 techrights-sec; he has had nothing worth looking at since selling out. Did I mention he sold out?

12:27 schestowitz-TR; it's mostly advertisinf

12:27 schestowitz-TR; i see the title but never click

12:28 techrights-sec; I stopped checking even the title many months ago.

12:34 schestowitz-TR; sell out, cash in...

12:34 schestowitz-TR; either way, a short-term, self-harming, destructive strategy

12:34 schestowitz-TR; muktware DID have some traffic in the past

12:34 schestowitz-TR; [12:31] <reptilian_thrills> andreas fuchs signed the anti-stallman letter

12:34 schestowitz-TR; [12:31] <reptilian_thrills> i dont know if its the same one but theres a github user named andreasfuchstpm

12:34 schestowitz-TR; [12:32] <reptilian_thrills> pretty clear what that "rivalry" is about t hen

12:34 schestowitz-TR; [12:32] <reptilian_thrills> oh you dont like tpm huh, well, guess what?

12:34 schestowitz-TR; [12:32] <reptilian_thrills> but i dont know how many andreas fucks there are

12:34 schestowitz-TR; re snyk, I did not open the link

12:34 schestowitz-TR; but they got TONS in VC money

12:34 schestowitz-TR; now we know a lot of VC cash was sunk into total BS or...

12:34 schestowitz-TR; as per the URL, "snake oil"

12:34 schestowitz-TR; did not click, but I know that site has brett winterford

12:34 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft's notorious OOXML shill

12:34 schestowitz-TR; I will never forget his name

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12:43 techrights-sec; They are victim of the sunk-cost-fallacy and will push their false agenda

12:43 techrights-sec; for a while longer in an attempt to be able to cash out.

12:44 schestowitz-TR; otoh, black *uck and its promoters at securityy buolevard have been rather quiet lately

12:44 schestowitz-TR; they perish, I reckon

12:44 schestowitz-TR; black *uck software, the founder is now a lobbying for msft

12:45 schestowitz-TR; he never stopped

12:45 schestowitz-TR; he lays eggs for bill

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12:51 techrights-sec; One can hope. However the poseurs and bullshitters seem to be putting a great

12:51 techrights-sec; emphasis on lobbying in DC right now, due to the election and the war putting

12:51 techrights-sec; them at a risk of vanishing if they are seen for what they are.

12:51 techrights-sec; https://www.computerworld.com/article/2574101/warning--don-t-buy-security-snake-oil.html

↺ https://www.computerworld.com/article/2574101/warning--don-t-buy-security-snake-oil.html

12:51 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Warning: Don't Buy Security Snake Oil | Computerworld

12:52 schestowitz-TR; latest phoronix story is xbox

12:52 schestowitz-TR; I sent him a lot of traffic for 15 years

12:52 schestowitz-TR; now this...

12:53 techrights-sec; ^ from 2003 yet corporate America still throws money at Wintel

12:55 schestowitz-TR; computerworld is owned and controlled by china now

12:55 schestowitz-TR; btw, farnell will have an article for us shortly

12:55 schestowitz-TR; he's a "relic", one of the few who stll promoe security and not snakeoil or "clown"

12:55 schestowitz-TR; "clown" is the oposite of secuirty

12:55 schestowitz-TR; clown is security breach

12:55 techrights-sec; IDG

12:55 techrights-sec; Excellent.


1 PM, October 21

13:00 techrights-sec; Clown computer == clown show

13:05 schestowitz-TR; clown computing = aphrodiziac for imposters

13:05 schestowitz-TR; "can't set up email, can sign some EULA with Gulag instead"

13:05 schestowitz-TR; gitHUB (or gitlab.com): can't do git, can open a 'free' (or paid) account online

13:05 schestowitz-TR; you know..

13:05 schestowitz-TR; .there's that old saying about sending away skills

13:05 schestowitz-TR; like old trade

13:05 schestowitz-TR; not archery or ols school things

13:05 schestowitz-TR; or shoemaking

13:05 schestowitz-TR; if you have a generation with no person who knows the art o the trade

13:05 schestowitz-TR; you are at someone else's mercy or lose knowledge

13:05 schestowitz-TR; the patents weremeant to help with that

13:05 schestowitz-TR; or were push under these false pretences

13:06 schestowitz-TR; and that relates to tech

13:06 schestowitz-TR; you soon have people who have no understanding of very basic concepts

13:06 schestowitz-TR; so they become easy targets for attacks and prey to snake oil, outsourcing

13:06 schestowitz-TR; they think security is a product that they buy like a basket of fruit

13:06 schestowitz-TR; rather than something inherent in the program

13:06 schestowitz-TR; like it's an item in the invoice with a tickbox next to it

13:06 schestowitz-TR; or an "app"

13:06 schestowitz-TR; (7 years ago rianne's cousin wanted to pass photos to us)

13:06 schestowitz-TR; (instead of sending the JPEGs she installed some "apps")

13:07 techrights-sec; Currently there are almost none left. Those in the know have aged out or been

13:07 techrights-sec; forced out. There are virtually none in the pipeline since learning means

13:07 techrights-sec; circumventing all current "educational" and vocational education and training.

13:07 techrights-sec; Both education and training now focus on teaching snake oil to frauds. and

13:07 techrights-sec; actively weed out those with who try to learn and, especially, even those

13:07 techrights-sec; with an aptitude for CS

13:07 techrights-sec; Twenty years ago all top universities and many leadning businesses had AFS going

13:07 techrights-sec; and could share files securely, globally. Now no one can share files easily

13:07 techrights-sec; let alone securely.

13:12 schestowitz-TR; i think rianne and I got our CS degrees just narrowly before this happened

13:12 schestowitz-TR; I was allowed to use latex, actave, unix, but some stupid moles with no tech skills tried to push

13:12 schestowitz-TR; Windows for 'Supercomputers'

13:12 schestowitz-TR; they in fact succeeded, temporarily, in replacing the debian we had going on the compute farms

13:12 schestowitz-TR; and that drove out geeks

13:12 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft was interfering with things that worked ok

13:12 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft needs to have 0 staff

13:12 schestowitz-TR; I hope I'll still be active online to see that day

13:12 schestowitz-TR; billg will probably be dead by then

13:12 schestowitz-TR; \

13:12 schestowitz-TR; some revisionism about BASIC around 2AM todoay

13:12 schestowitz-TR; in the IRC logs

13:12 schestowitz-TR; I am thankfully still alive to correct this

13:12 schestowitz-TR; quotes you on it

13:12 schestowitz-TR; the response to Mitchell

13:12 schestowitz-TR; I searched for info on BASIC being fished from a dumpster

13:12 schestowitz-TR; Techrights was in the results

13:14 techrights-sec; https://web.archive.org/web/20051207191732/http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,86730,00.html

↺ https://web.archive.org/web/20051207191732/http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,86730,00.html

13:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | CIOs Share the Blame - Computerworld

13:14 techrights-sec; Even commentary against the carpetbaggers is removed by IDG

13:14 techrights-sec; I am not an authority on any topic.

13:14 techrights-sec; Bill got his code from the dumpster and trash cans.

13:14 techrights-sec; Bill and his unindicted co-conspirators were also quite smug about having

13:14 techrights-sec; stolen a lot of computer time from the university too.

13:16 schestowitz-TR; when rms breaksd such secuirty he is a villian

13:16 schestowitz-TR; when bill g does it it's "clever" and "brilliant"

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13:23 techrights-sec; Not even an appropriate comparison.

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13:24 schestowitz-TR; rms = making ways to bypass the password

13:24 schestowitz-TR; at coding level

13:24 schestowitz-TR; billg = sabotages a system for fair sharing

13:24 schestowitz-TR; which one is victimless?

13:24 schestowitz-TR; ---------------------------------

13:29 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "How Moscow and Kyiv use kamikaze drones" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/is-russia-the-only-country-to-bomb-electrical-grids/ | Source: Counter Punch

↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/is-russia-the-only-country-to-bomb-electrical-grids/

13:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Is Russia the Only Country to Bomb Electrical Grids? - CounterPunch.org

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13:36 techrights-sec; ack


2 PM, October 21

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14:35 schestowitz-TR; new exercise routine: nearby food shop, if weather seems good, even temporarily

14:35 schestowitz-TR; organic eggs are 2.50 for a six packs. crazy.

14:35 schestowitz-TR; new exercise routine: nearby food shop, if weather seems good, even temporarily

14:35 schestowitz-TR; organic eggs are 2.50 for a six packs. crazy.

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3 PM, October 21

15:02 techrights-sec; Re-reading a book from 1998 on information architecture. The first edition

15:02 techrights-sec; was really good. The second edition was all about sucking up to M$ on every

15:02 techrights-sec; other page and right before the company the authors were involved in went

15:02 techrights-sec; under as a result. It had been profitable for a decade right up to becoming

15:02 techrights-sec; a "partner" of M$. At that point they quickly went into the red and closed

15:02 techrights-sec; down rather than run up a debt. There is a strong connection between the

15:02 techrights-sec; two events even if the authors are unwilling to admit it. All it takes is

15:02 techrights-sec; one really bad decision, and I mean really bad, and the company gets blown away.

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15:15 schestowitz-TR; can you check the draft? for opinion, not just typos

15:15 techrights-sec; Ok.

15:15 techrights-sec; The summary is missing what is click-baity about his behavior. Maybe mention that his stories are warmed over "t

15:15 techrights-sec; weets" and press releases pushing products

15:15 techrights-sec; and companies which are strongly antagonistic to FOSS.

15:15 techrights-sec; Try writing from the perspective of a gemini post, where the text has to

15:15 techrights-sec; stand on its own without links or pictures. The pictures probably get ignored

15:15 techrights-sec; mostly for a lot of reasons not the least of which is that historically

15:15 techrights-sec; there has been a high risk that they turn out to be animated GIFs

15:15 schestowitz-TR; useful feedback, I am going to add footnotes now

15:24 techrights-sec; np

15:33 techrights-sec; ack

15:33 techrights-sec; Footnotes are ok but maybe could have been worked into an article proper.

15:35 schestowitz-TR; I have a lot of things to criticise

15:35 schestowitz-TR; but am sometimes too reluctant to repeat what I said many times before, inc. in irc

15:35 schestowitz-TR; 6 footnotes added

15:35 schestowitz-TR; I think I will record a video later and then I will have the arguments in my head

15:35 schestowitz-TR; and be able to write better text

15:35 schestowitz-TR; like I did 3 days ago with the 'secure core'/OCP BS

15:35 schestowitz-TR; tying together the screenshots, comments, phoronix bs, and more

15:35 schestowitz-TR; like I said, those posts become popular later

15:35 schestowitz-TR; many people still don't understand what lf is

15:36 techrights-sec; The screenshots are of very limited value without an accomanying body of

15:36 techrights-sec; text.

15:37 schestowitz-TR; right, I have just added the headlines to the alt in the image

15:37 schestowitz-TR; that ought to help gemini readers

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15:56 techrights-sec; ALT helps but is not a full substitute for actual text in the body of the

15:56 techrights-sec; document for the GemText


4 PM, October 21

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16:00 schestowitz-TR; rianne still has phoronix in her feeds, but she mostly passes over

16:00 schestowitz-TR; i explained to her the screenshot in preparation for some video later

16:00 schestowitz-TR; after the video I can more easily explain

16:00 schestowitz-TR; that some anti-FS people like crazy matt agree with me on this

16:00 schestowitz-TR; is not flattery

16:00 schestowitz-TR; but phoronix has changed

16:00 schestowitz-TR; i spent a lot of my life boosting the former site

16:00 schestowitz-TR; he should just get a job like we do

16:00 schestowitz-TR; and then remove the ads from his site

16:00 schestowitz-TR; and be independent

16:00 schestowitz-TR; he did dabble in 'consulting' in the past

16:00 schestowitz-TR; now with energy prices soaring his bills will be no monkey business

16:01 schestowitz-TR; they were high before, too

16:01 schestowitz-TR; and some business reportedlt shut down just due to operational costs doubling

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16:07 schestowitz-TR; the gemtext page is now ready

16:07 schestowitz-TR; surprisingly readable

16:07 schestowitz-TR; even without the picture

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16:15 techrights-sec; Excellent. Writing with GemText in mind first, and then adding the pictures

16:15 techrights-sec; as extras will make the article more clear as well as work towards making

16:15 techrights-sec; Gemini a first class service.

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16:23 techrights-sec; as an afterthought it would be important to set the context in the article

16:23 techrights-sec; that phoronix was great for a long time and michael did great work up until

16:23 techrights-sec; he sold out

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17:40 schestowitz-TR; LinuxToday CHANGED the headline to become some promotional Microsoft BS that's surveillance and proprietary https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/ubuntu-22-10-fails-to-include-azure-ad-support-rescheduled-to-23-04/

↺ https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/ubuntu-22-10-fails-to-include-azure-ad-support-rescheduled-to-23-04/

17:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxtoday.com | Ubuntu 22.10 Fails to Include Azure AD Support: Rescheduled to 23.04

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