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07:10 schestowitz__[TR]; <li>
07:10 schestowitz__[TR]; <h5><a href="https://www.pine64.org/2022/08/18/a-response-to-martijns-blog/">A response to Martijns blog</a></h5>
07:10 schestowitz__[TR]; <blockquote>
07:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pine64.org | A response to Martijns blog | PINE64
07:10 schestowitz__[TR]; <p>To sum up this response post; Martijn has his reasons for leaving and we should all respect those. We are also thankful for all the work he, and the entire postmarketOS has, poured into the Linux smartphone space and the PinePhone in particular. That said, we dont want to leave the claim that we do not listen to our development community unanswered because it is unfair and demonstrably
07:10 schestowitz__[TR]; false. We are not mindless marionettes unable to make up our own minds about what course to pursue either. As a project, PINE64 is not afraid of taking responsibility or admitting to a fault, and surely there are many mistakes that the management of the project has made in the past, but blind favoritism or unwillingness to listen to our community are not on the list.</p>
07:10 schestowitz__[TR]; </blockquote>
07:10 schestowitz__[TR]; </li>
07:28 schestowitz-TR2; I made 4 videos at the end
07:28 schestowitz-TR2; I think this workflow is more efficient
07:28 schestowitz-TR2; prepare topics, then record several in a row, then process in parallel
07:28 schestowitz-TR2; I'll try to stick to that
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09:08 schestowitz-TR2; ----
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; yesterday in IRC (also Daily Links, but no Ed comment) I took note of a BS article sufggesting clown in place of SSH, which is noted alongside SCP
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; at the start, though SCP is deprecated
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; days ago in gemini and www I saw some articles about neat SSH tricks
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; SSH is small and simple
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; that's not a bad thing
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; it's like saying a cipher is bad because only one developer made it
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; it's just math
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; ssh is also like that
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; simple and works
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; more layers of oibfuscation means more risk, and making auiting a lot harder
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; you could do disk encryption or comms encryption with one line of code, depending on lang
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; it's like JPEG compression or zip, the underlying principles are redicible to a function
09:09 schestowitz-TR2; or a set of them
09:21 Techrights-sec; the risk seems to be the side effect of the goal : decommodification through
09:21 Techrights-sec; gratuitous complexitty and proprietary interfaces
09:22 schestowitz-TR2; like citrix
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; my sister just told me on the phone how she cannot figure out how to fix some bugs
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; because of the complexity of some of the SDL code
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; c++
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; she was recently promoted
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; I also have a cousin who works at citrix and she got swpats, as the company demands those
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; I didn't read them, but you can imagine they're all BS
09:34 Techrights-sec; yep
09:34 Techrights-sec; I think the mentality is facilitated by the media conflating attacks with
09:34 Techrights-sec; breaches. They can then point to the logs and say, "lookit all those attacks",
09:34 Techrights-sec; use our Proprietary Lock-in and avoid all that.
09:34 schestowitz-TR2; the media goes further and attributes some items in the logs to nations... "nation attacks..."
09:34 schestowitz-TR2; n korea, iran, china, russia
09:34 schestowitz-TR2; while cherry-picking for political goals
09:34 schestowitz-TR2; I very much doubt iran has a potent cybercrime unit
09:34 schestowitz-TR2; too budy kneeling on carpets and stuff...
09:35 Techrights-sec; likely so, any SW patents at this point are BS and even most of the existing
09:35 Techrights-sec; ones are neither unique nor innovative.
09:40 Techrights-sec; ack
09:43 schestowitz-TR2; this morning when rianne was walking around here I told her tuxmachines was evolving to do a lot more than html
09:43 schestowitz-TR2; and she understands all that because she sees the stages after posting new nodes (incidentally, my sister checks out the new site)
09:43 schestowitz-TR2; rianne also hates the looks of new zdnet, but I think the new focus is on infinite scroll to fake "enagagement"
09:44 schestowitz-TR2; it says sjvn has a phd in history
09:44 schestowitz-TR2; like spamnil, he comes from non-tech background
09:44 schestowitz-TR2; but anyway, i don't know how mqtt can latch onto things so as to make notifications more useful
09:44 schestowitz-TR2; hence I did some search around gnome and kde the other day
09:44 schestowitz-TR2; the protocol for messages passing seems to be mostly a bot for other bots
09:46 Techrights-sec; :)
09:46 Techrights-sec; yes it looks like ZDNet is going for the mobilephone infinite scroll crap
09:46 Techrights-sec; some custom python scripts are possible if the blocking of self-signed
09:46 Techrights-sec; certificates can be circumvented. prior to that blocking, it was dead simple
09:46 Techrights-sec; to script various monitors, triggers, or postings
09:46 Techrights-sec; the protocol sends a message of n bytes to authorized, subscribed clients
09:46 schestowitz-TR2; infinite scoll: force-feeding to people articles they did NOT ask for in order to claim more "views" (of things that appear outside view)
09:46 schestowitz-TR2; the new cargo cult of "hit"-obsessed people
09:46 schestowitz-TR2; they could just stuff 100 images in one page and then claim huge increase in "hits"
09:47 Techrights-sec; not quite the right application of the epithet "cargo cult" but otherwise
09:47 Techrights-sec; spot on
09:47 Techrights-sec; people spend 15 minutes and 50 clicks doing what used to take 2 minutes and 3 or 4 clicks, yet the a-holes now assert that the former is an improvement because
09:47 Techrights-sec; of increased "engagement"
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; to borrow an analogy or use case, to read an 'article' you now scroll through 20 "tweets" and "give impression" to 100 comments (crap) along the way
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; good for measurable "enegagement"
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; but instead you could read a 10-paragraph article in newswaffle with an image on top
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; also, the accuracy of such an article is likely to be high
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; i did a video on the new service around newswaffle yesterday, just hours after the announcement
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; btw, I am getting code at unicode because I recognise how helpful it is at dodging images
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; if your system already has all the glyphs, then just invoke these
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; to render at the client side
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; 32-bit (as in literally 32 zeros and ones) should be enough
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; and keep the server easier to figure out
09:51 schestowitz-TR2; new tuxmachines is usually just one page, one image at most
09:52 Techrights-sec; ack
09:55 schestowitz-TR2; if you check TR git (git show ..) you can see further changes made to the tuxmachines IRC stuff
09:55 schestowitz-TR2; google.com seems to have already indexed and is now listing about a third of new TM
09:55 schestowitz-TR2; OK, same for images
09:55 schestowitz-TR2; it has like 70 images from the site in Google Images
09:55 schestowitz-TR2; that's a pretty fast adoption
09:55 schestowitz-TR2; for a new subdomain
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10:21 Techrights-sec; checking
10:21 schestowitz-TR2; a lot of that is a residue of older things, from the social control media era... before it ended
10:21 schestowitz-TR2; let me find you something from last night
10:21 Techrights-sec; ok
10:22 schestowitz-TR2; [06:30] <techrights-news> "...be careful not to fall into a trap of mistaking social media engagement from the actual community-seeking that you need." gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220820_social_media
10:22 schestowitz-TR2; i see more and more people who say things like that -- not something I'd see years ago
10:22 schestowitz-TR2; there is growing recognition of several persistent and also newer issues
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10:48 Techrights-sec; ack
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; persistent and also newer issues
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; can you examine the git commit just made
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; and maybe push to live for quick testing?
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; i think it has fuctional advantage
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; and pses no issues to older browsers
10:51 Techrights-sec; checking
11:04 Techrights-sec; a problem is that the ::after part, as it stands, will afflict also the "Read On
11:04 Techrights-sec; links
11:07 Techrights-sec; ok
11:07 Techrights-sec; another is that it duplicates a little of CamelCase.pm
11:07 Techrights-sec; but the idea of improved attribution is important
11:09 schestowitz-TR2; i didn't regard this to be a problem, but maybe you dislike it
11:09 schestowitz-TR2; the idea is predictability and attribution by source name
11:09 schestowitz-TR2; yes, I was well aware of camelcase, also in sight of you pushing a commit an hour or less ago
11:09 Techrights-sec; it would be advanatageous to minimize needing to maintain parallel data sets
11:09 Techrights-sec; though CamelCase.pm is in a different repository :/
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; one option is to write a scanner/parse fuction to produce a subset of camelcase
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; maybe there is also a way to factorise, with css class, some of the style
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; obv. we should avoid jquery/js
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; with them, it's possible to extract domain of url
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; but the domain does not always say much
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; camelcase has two portions of interest in each like
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; a simple sed can yield a css thing
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; but thousands of lines there are not relevant to TM
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; hence I chose some commonly linked sites and sropped there
11:14 schestowitz-TR2; did not even properly indent the thing, just wanted to test the impact
11:15 Techrights-sec; I agree, no js,
11:15 Techrights-sec; There are over 3800 hosts / domains listed in CamelCase.pm atm
11:15 Techrights-sec; even a subset would make the CSS file monsterously large, all for just one rule
11:15 Techrights-sec; extra per post. So I would think that something in the script would work..
11:15 Techrights-sec; The "Read On" link is easy to identify and thus modify from within the
11:15 Techrights-sec; tm-add- script
11:17 schestowitz-TR2; that would then extend to gemini and other (future) protocols
11:17 schestowitz-TR2; as in, check tld, compare to camelcase, if match found, append
11:18 Techrights-sec; yes, I think that would be feasible to use in Gemini too
11:18 Techrights-sec; For the XHTML documents, would adding a title attribute to the ReadOn link
11:18 Techrights-sec; be good? That will be visible on mouseover. Or should there be something
11:18 Techrights-sec; in the main text?
11:21 schestowitz-TR2; good point, if you already do O(n) pass on each URL (of this class, or many any class in a list of links too)
11:21 schestowitz-TR2; then you could append title="" as well
11:21 schestowitz-TR2; from a usability POV, hovering should not repeat the anchoir text
11:21 schestowitz-TR2; and if the domain is appended
11:21 schestowitz-TR2; and status bar typically (by default) shows target url
11:21 schestowitz-TR2; when what's left for title to say?
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11:21 Techrights-sec;
11:21 Techrights-sec; right
11:21 Techrights-sec; The name of the site in plain language would be possible, with the
11:21 Techrights-sec; lookup module.
11:23 schestowitz-TR2; so you want title to contain site name
11:23 schestowitz-TR2; (of note: sometimes in sections like Security and such we have URLs to more political sites, like those in camelcase)
11:23 Techrights-sec; Yes, so this one,
11:23 Techrights-sec; http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/What_Is_a_Login_Shell_in_Linux.shtml
11:23 Techrights-sec; would have title="Make Use Of" in the "Read On" link
11:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines What Is a Login Shell in Linux?
11:25 schestowitz__[TR]; https://jsfiddle.net/z42r2vv0/2/
11:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-jsfiddle.net | Edit fiddle - JSFiddle - Code Playground
11:26 schestowitz-TR2; maybe "Read the original in [site name]"?
11:31 Techrights-sec; that sounds good and can be added, but now the question keeping
11:31 Techrights-sec; the module up to date arises
11:31 Techrights-sec; It'd be nice to have it part of the work flow but not sure how to do it
11:31 Techrights-sec; 1) easily, 2) reliably, 3) safely
11:46 schestowitz-TR2; maybe "Read the original in [site name]"?
11:46 schestowitz-TR2; https://jsfiddle.net/z42r2vv0/2/
11:46 schestowitz-TR2; I'm working on CSS to make title display on hover
11:46 schestowitz-TR2; just pushed cutom title
11:46 schestowitz-TR2; it takes the title and presents it on hover, to the right hand side
11:46 schestowitz-TR2; with OK contrast, I hope
11:46 Techrights-sec; it's not in the CSS but the XHTML itself,
11:46 Techrights-sec; <a href="..." title="...">...</a>
11:55 Techrights-sec; the :hover is redundant since the browsers show the title in a small box near
11:55 Techrights-sec; the mouse cursor on hover anyway
11:56 schestowitz-TR2; right, it can just be there all the time
11:56 schestowitz-TR2; I think only the "previous" and "next" text contain title at the moment
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12:28 schestowitz-TR2; earlier in the kitchen I realised I had missed an opportunity to use camlcase to convert domains into site names in the url.sh script
12:28 schestowitz-TR2; I've just added that
12:28 schestowitz-TR2; it'll improve irc, showing.e.g. "uni Toronto" instead of utcc
12:28 schestowitz-TR2; the change required was about 2 lines long, testing now, will push shortly
13:01 Techrights-sec; there are about 1600 unique host names from the links in tm-new's document root
13:01 Techrights-sec; checking and adding to CamelCase.pm if needed, but a proper workflow will be
13:01 Techrights-sec; needed for daily updates
13:01 schestowitz-TR2; a lot if not all links in TM get across to Techrights eventually
13:01 schestowitz-TR2; so if they're covered in TR, then TM also
13:02 Techrights-sec; it turns out there is not much overlap just over 1000 new hosts from TM
13:58 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> "The number of people affected by hunger globally rose to as many as 828 million in 2021, an increase of about 46 million since 2020 and 150 million since the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic (1), according to a United Nations report" https://www.who.int/news/item/06-07-2022-un-report--global-hunger-numbers-rose-to-as-many-as-828-million-in-2021
13:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.who.int | UN Report: Global hunger numbers rose to as many as 828 million in 2021
14:00 Techrights-sec; exceeding the carrying capacity even more ...
14:00 Techrights-sec; https://www.overshootday.org/
14:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.overshootday.org | Earth Overshoot Day 2022 home - #MoveTheDate
14:00 Techrights-sec; https://www.footprintnetwork.org/our-work/earth-overshoot-day/
14:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.footprintnetwork.org | Earth Overshoot Day - Global Footprint Network
14:00 schestowitz-TR2; #thoughtsAndPrayers
14:00 schestowitz-TR2; + 1000 likes +10 shares
14:01 schestowitz-TR2; hunger solved
14:01 Techrights-sec; https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20220728-earth-overshoot-day-comes-earlier-every-year
14:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.france24.com | EarthOvershoot Daycomes earlier every year
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; in nature, overpopulation gets balanced by predators
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; with humans, the predator is other humans
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; i.e. war
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; (or starvation due to too much competition over edible resources)
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; past a certain point, even war cannot rebalance nutritional quotient
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; that's where culling gets done
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; to help some survive
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; culling can be done within a tribe
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; not universal
14:05 Techrights-sec; yes and there is a predator-prey boom-crash cycle; humans have it too except
14:05 Techrights-sec; that they are their own worst enemy; this time there is 1) only a single global
14:05 Techrights-sec; civilization 2) we've pulled up the ladder
14:05 Techrights-sec; so when this one crashes, there will be no return
14:05 Techrights-sec; anyway, looking at the matter of title="" there in TM, there seems to be no
14:05 Techrights-sec; practical way to accomplish it; technically it is possible but it would
14:05 Techrights-sec; be problematic all the way around to keep such a list up to date
14:05 Techrights-sec; even if it were integrated into the suite of scripts
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; thanks for at least looking into it
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; I can implement this at my end
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; using url.sh
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; it won't always add a title, just sometimes
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; is that OK with you?
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; also, can you integrate the latest commit?
14:20 Techrights-sec; sounds fine
14:20 Techrights-sec; checking the commit
14:20 Techrights-sec; the new CSS file is in place now
14:28 schestowitz-TR2; can you please deploy again to the site?
14:28 schestowitz-TR2; I think I left out a crucial bit
14:28 schestowitz-TR2; just testing before I spend time implementing the title thing at the data entry level
15:03 schestowitz-TR2; one of us, maybe me, "locked" ytalk, I guess
15:03 schestowitz-TR2; ctrl+s/q helps me resume it, I think
15:03 schestowitz-TR2; can you deploy the latest push, minute old?
15:03 schestowitz-TR2; that should do the trick, then I'll do url.sh
15:03 schestowitz-TR2; you can see the latest page in the site for example of what the button looks like
15:03 schestowitz-TR2; the GPD Micro PC
15:03 Techrights-sec; probably
15:03 Techrights-sec; ok
15:06 schestowitz-TR2; url.sh looks at cmelcase for most probable match, adds that as title=""
15:06 schestowitz-TR2; the css then does the rest
15:06 schestowitz-TR2; rianne and marius do not have camelcases on their PCs, so for now I can send her a copy
15:07 Techrights-sec; if it is done it is more efficient to do centrally rather than on individual
15:07 Techrights-sec; machines
15:08 schestowitz-TR2; yes, but then the addition of title="" would have to be done by tm-extract...
15:08 Techrights-sec; that would be the most efficient
15:34 Techrights-sec; that would be the most efficient
15:34 Techrights-sec; su -c 'cd /var/www/tuxmachines.org/; git pull origin master' -s /bin/sh git
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; I will fix the ugly shadow around images now
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; experimenting in LibreWolf on the dry
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; this image style (css) must hgave been around for 8 years
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; I will add hover effect, too
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; excellent, thanks for this tip
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; you can see the new image layout in the GPD page
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; I will now changew my html layout to just use proper css
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; not the lazy hack we have used since 2014
15:38 Techrights-sec; in your Git clone,
15:38 Techrights-sec; cp .git/hooks/pre-commit.sample .git/hooks/pre-commit
15:38 Techrights-sec; please set up checking for trailing whitespace etc
15:38 schestowitz-TR2; done
15:51 schestowitz__[TR]; http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Videos_Shows_This_Week_in_Linux_DistroTube_and_GNU_World_Order.shtml
15:51 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, DistroTube, and GNU World Order
15:51 schestowitz__[TR]; the image layout thing works better now, more tidy and organised, less harsh on the eye
15:52 schestowitz__[TR]; I assume you want to do the camelcase thing for readOn button inside tm-extract?
16:05 Techrights-sec; that would be the place to do it, but the question is how to do the upkeep
16:08 schestowitz-TR2; funny story: I 'borrowed' the code from the css of the old site
16:08 schestowitz-TR2; I had put it there around 2014
16:08 schestowitz-TR2; it had two rules, for muktware and themukt
16:08 schestowitz-TR2; back then spamnil was already starting to change between domains (5 in total so far), thinking the issue was the domain and not the material getting worse
16:08 Techrights-sec; ack
16:08 schestowitz-TR2; tfir is the fiffth domain for the same site
16:08 schestowitz-TR2; fifth culumnist si what he became
16:08 schestowitz-TR2; the list of domains no longer changes a lot, so maybe a local current copy on tm would be the reference
16:09 schestowitz-TR2; and can be manually updated about once a year
16:09 schestowitz-TR2; if at all
17:18 Techrights-sec; they seem to teach js instead
17:18 Techrights-sec; js provides more vendor lock-in
17:18 Techrights-sec; keeping it simple and sticking strictly to standards allows competition
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19:17 schestowitz-TR2; netsurf deals very well with the latest changes
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; it does nto do "before" and "after" or rounded corners or shadows
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; but the visual fllbacks are good
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; not that we need to optimise for a browser so few people use
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; I notice that in netsurf the bottom "menu" shows up vertically, one item per line
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; unlike the top "menu"
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; not sure why
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; also, in the svg it gets the colour palette wrong
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; maybe they should teach kids in college, in html/www classes
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; make it work such that it shows ok in this browser, netsurd
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; otherwise you get an f
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; otherwise they teach them to optimise for bloatware
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; and that further contributes to the issue, inc. monoculture
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; rianne's first time in eu is 10 years some time in ~3 weeks from now
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; there's no place in the world that is truly stable atm
19:17 schestowitz-TR2; factors like war, climate, immigration, and poverty
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; norway is one hop away from putin
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; iirc, norway is in nato
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; a friend of mine from oslo was deployed to kosovo
19:18 Techrights-sec; ack
19:18 Techrights-sec; they seem to teach js instead
19:18 Techrights-sec; js provides more vendor lock-in
19:18 Techrights-sec; keeping it simple and sticking strictly to standards allows competition
19:45 Techrights-sec; ack
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22:02 schestowitz-TR2; the find program in busybox is not compatible with gnu, so as I work to make git tm (prototype) visible in gemini I need to make major xhcnages
22:02 schestowitz-TR2; I don't want to change the find program for fear it might break something we built already
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22:34 schestowitz-TR2; ok, done, gemini.tuxmachines.org/git
22:34 schestowitz-TR2; for now just latest version of each file
22:35 schestowitz-TR2; retreieve every 30 mins, subject to latest pull
22:48 schestowitz-TR2; gemini.tuxmachines.org/git/all_changes/
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