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8 AM, July 21

08:28 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/thetorpedodog/status/1548410782156595200

↺ https://twitter.com/thetorpedodog/status/1548410782156595200

08:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@thetorpedodog: @edropple @mjg59 @Popehat ok this got me morbidly curious (or morbius, as you might say), and, well, https://t.co/Q6tPqLcPpB

↺ https://t.co/Q6tPqLcPpB

08:46 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/21/200000-brits-dead-with-coronavirus/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/21/200000-brits-dead-with-coronavirus/

08:46 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom

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08:52 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:52 schestowitz-TR; Hi Roy As a special offer to TechRights, I can give a sneak preview of Dells new lineup of Linux-based Precision workstations for developers." http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/

http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/

08:52 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- techrights.org | Free/Libre Software is Greener Pastures for Dell | Techrights

08:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Free/Libre Software is Greener Pastures for Dell | Techrights

08:52 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Dell laptops don't get much media coverage because they're good; that's just Dell throwing its "PR muscle" around... http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/ "Corrupt Media" as I call it...

http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/

08:52 schestowitz-TR; Dell basically prepared (with embargo) about a dozen "news" sites to do puff pieces about "Ubuntu" laptop... all at the same time

08:52 schestowitz-TR; 13 years ago: Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? https://techrights.org/2009/02/14/dell-boots-linux-tax/ more in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Dell

https://techrights.org/2009/02/14/dell-boots-linux-tax/

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Dell

08:52 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-

08:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? | Techrights

08:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Dell - Techrights

08:55 schestowitz-TR; Many scripted Dell 'articles' after embargo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34399

↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34399

08:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines


9 AM, July 21

09:00 Techrights-sec2; ack

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09:08 Techrights-sec2; The biggest thing that Dell could do to promote its Linux hardware would be

09:08 Techrights-sec2; to make it feasible to find on their web site and especially in their web

09:08 Techrights-sec2; shop. Yes, I know that theoretically Dell offers hardware with GNU/Linux

09:08 Techrights-sec2; pre-installed. No, I have never been able to find how and where to buy one.

09:08 Techrights-sec2; It's easier to import competing brands than it is to fight with the domestic

09:08 Techrights-sec2; web shops which insist on completely hiding/blocking sales.

09:09 schestowitz-TR; if you are going to get preloaded, support the likes of slimbook, imho

09:09 schestowitz-TR; they are modest and not just posting as "loves Linux"

09:09 schestowitz-TR; *posing

09:12 Techrights-sec2; Slimbook is ok, with a big bonus that it is in the EU, but System76 has been

09:12 Techrights-sec2; far better and will, supposedly, soon open a shop in the EU.

09:12 Techrights-sec2; However, until Dell actually shows GNU/Linux systems in their web shops, there

09:12 Techrights-sec2; is not much point in bringing them up.

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09:17 schestowitz-TR; having more than one laptop is an OK invetsment if they do not cost a lot in power and you are on the computer most of the day

09:17 schestowitz-TR; people who buy multiple cars, which they cannot feasibly use at the same time, maintain some habit up to x100 more

09:18 schestowitz-TR; experience and they're also very time-consumign to service (cleaning, repairs, constant paperwork of all sorts)

09:20 Techrights-sec2; Yes, having more than one is good, the old one can function as a backup or

09:20 Techrights-sec2; reserve unit.

09:20 Techrights-sec2; It does not have to stay plugged in, and not even that up to date, just

09:20 Techrights-sec2; in a state in which it can easily be updated and accept data from the backup

09:20 Techrights-sec2; drives

09:20 Techrights-sec2; However, with even Broadcom conspiring with Intel and AMD to put DRM into

09:20 Techrights-sec2; the CPU itself, there is a question about how many hardware generations

09:20 Techrights-sec2; general-purpose computing can survive.

09:20 Techrights-sec2; s/many/many more/

09:20 Techrights-sec2; It goes without saying that the conspiration between Broadcom, AMD, and Intel

09:20 Techrights-sec2; centers around M$

09:22 schestowitz-TR; It would be interesting to know what JCK and Russia do in that regard

09:22 schestowitz-TR; afaik, they're not (yet) keen on such a direction

09:22 schestowitz-TR; and I assume OEMs in Japan, China, Korea (and Taiwan) will gain in the coming years

09:22 schestowitz-TR; atm, they chase Microsoft's tail, e.g. Lenovo

09:22 schestowitz-TR; but that can change

09:22 schestowitz-TR; not just Chromebooks

09:23 Techrights-sec2; JCK?

09:23 Techrights-sec2; ack

09:23 Techrights-sec2; Russia has attempted to ditch Windows several times already. I stopped following their attempts about 10 years ago when it became apparent that there was

09:23 Techrights-sec2; a lot of bribery from M$ which went unprosecuted and that the opportunity was

09:23 Techrights-sec2; taken then to fire as many skilled IT people as possible so as to leave

09:23 Techrights-sec2; only the microsofters

09:23 Techrights-sec2; China tried making some hardware based on MIPS iirc Loongson but that seemed to

09:23 Techrights-sec2; go nowhere. I presume corruption and, especially bribery, is endemic still

09:23 Techrights-sec2; in the IT sector and prevents any moves towards independence or sovereignty.

09:24 schestowitz-TR; SJVN disagrees

09:24 schestowitz-TR; stop kicking puppies

09:24 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft is not evil anymore

09:25 Techrights-sec2; Did you see the recent article and SN discussion about DARPA aiming for

09:25 Techrights-sec2; control over the kernel?

09:25 Techrights-sec2; he's bleated that talking point so many times he probably has not even a

09:25 Techrights-sec2; smidgen of his soul left

09:27 schestowitz-TR; I've mentioned this DARPA article many times in TR, TM, and IRC

09:27 schestowitz-TR; I call it adding DoD to CoC

09:27 schestowitz-TR; in addition to having no political views (or views on biology) you're meant

09:27 schestowitz-TR; to also be cool with military

09:27 schestowitz-TR; see what Prenning published in his blog 24 hours ago

09:32 Techrights-sec2; ack

09:32 Techrights-sec2; https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/07/enrico-zini-on-dam-and-responsability/

↺ https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/07/enrico-zini-on-dam-and-responsability/

09:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.preining.info | Enrico Zini on DAM and "responsability" | There and back again

09:35 schestowitz-TR; this is one of several elements that hobble Debian

09:35 schestowitz-TR; but those elements are partly connected

09:35 schestowitz-TR; Gulag will give you money, but there are some conditions

09:35 schestowitz-TR; BTW, Debian had some good news re migration at Gulag

09:35 schestowitz-TR; I think this is a complex challenge

09:35 schestowitz-TR; and we need to find proper ways to communicate the intricacies

09:35 schestowitz-TR; as FSF took Gulag money too, many times...

09:35 schestowitz-TR; and so it cannot speak about it without being dubbed "hypocrite"

09:35 schestowitz-TR; FSFE even more so

09:35 schestowitz-TR; LF is in a more adevances stage

09:35 schestowitz-TR; where even bribes from Microsoft are seen as required, desirable

09:35 schestowitz-TR; Debian takes Miccreosofr bribes only via DebConf so far (SPI)

09:35 schestowitz-TR; it stopped for a year or two

09:35 schestowitz-TR; now back on the wagon

09:38 Techrights-sec2; so far, but even that's way too much. I'm equally concerned about the damage

09:38 Techrights-sec2; to the governance which allowed M$ to get even a toehold in DebConf.

09:38 Techrights-sec2; Zemlin, on the other hand, seems out to destroy the brand

09:38 schestowitz-TR; zemlin is not seop guru

09:38 schestowitz-TR; in the white house ;-)

09:38 schestowitz-TR; I'm sure he can explain everything to them

09:38 schestowitz-TR; with his hands and stuff

09:38 schestowitz-TR; *now secOp

09:39 schestowitz-TR; "jim, you should try taking one of those introductory LF exams"

09:40 schestowitz-TR; Jim: "no, I'm fine, thanks..."

09:41 Techrights-sec2; dogfooding should be a hard requirement not just for all the executives but

09:41 Techrights-sec2; each and every employee there

09:41 schestowitz-TR; wtf?

09:41 schestowitz-TR; that would be like kicking a dog

09:42 Techrights-sec2; I'd even go further and give consideration for reqiring it as a prereqisite

09:42 Techrights-sec2; for running for a seat on the board

09:43 schestowitz-TR; here is te thing

09:43 schestowitz-TR; a) we at lf are no longer about linux ->

09:43 schestowitz-TR; b) we in LF sell seats, as that makes us more money ->

09:43 schestowitz-TR; c) we at LF welcome even Linux-hostile people

09:43 schestowitz-TR; you cannot jump straight to c

09:44 britney; wubba lubba dub dub

09:45 Techrights-sec2; Quality over quantity.

09:45 Techrights-sec2; SSAAS -> selling seats as a service

09:45 Techrights-sec2; they;ve been at c) for years now, thanks to zemlin and his enablers

09:45 Techrights-sec2; now they are at

09:45 Techrights-sec2; d) dismantle the reputation of the brand

09:47 schestowitz-TR; afaik, they are not even running for the board

09:47 schestowitz-TR; it's an opaque process

09:47 schestowitz-TR; never saw evidence of voting there

09:47 schestowitz-TR; see my annotated irs filing screenshots

09:47 schestowitz-TR; they just sell the seats

09:47 schestowitz-TR; maybe for now it is capped at 2 seats per company

09:48 schestowitz-TR; but by enlarging the boad over time they can "raise" more money

09:48 Techrights-sec2; the community did not react at all when their seats were eliminate

09:48 Techrights-sec2; d

09:51 schestowitz-TR; awareness around these issues certainly grew

09:51 schestowitz-TR; and that's what matters

09:51 schestowitz-TR; as that's all that we can do, for now...

09:52 Techrights-sec2; There was awareness, there is just apathy. People cannot look even one step

09:52 Techrights-sec2; ahead. Take the recent Brodie Robertson video as an example there. Either

09:52 Techrights-sec2; he sold out or he's being intentionally naive about what's going on with

09:52 Techrights-sec2; control of the CPUs. He's probably young enough to have missed the warnings

09:52 Techrights-sec2; about restricted boot but has otherwise seemed smart enough to be able to

09:52 Techrights-sec2; see where things are heading.

09:54 schestowitz-TR; usually I do not watch his videos, I link to them, then cherry-pick later if I shave etc.

09:55 schestowitz-TR; he makes many basic errors, which I attribute to him being (fafaik) early 20s

09:55 schestowitz-TR; so he was born around the time Win2000 was out

09:55 Techrights-sec2; It's bizarre that people are hardcoded to be able to calculate the trajectories

09:55 Techrights-sec2; of physical objects taking direction of movement and several vectors of

09:55 Techrights-sec2; acceleration into account. Yet when it comes to far less complex tracking

09:55 Techrights-sec2; of events, they come up zero again and again.

09:55 Techrights-sec2; THe last one was not worth watching. It's a waste of time and calls into

09:55 Techrights-sec2; question his motives, I would say.


10 AM, July 21

10:01 schestowitz-TR; his last one, IIRC< was about "store"

10:01 schestowitz-TR; I did not watch, I linked though

10:01 schestowitz-TR; I can try to find his email (if he uses that... probably some gmail crap)

10:01 schestowitz-TR; and have a chat with him

10:01 schestowitz-TR; he reads TR sometimes

10:01 schestowitz-TR; he might even come to IRC... if he knows how that works ;-) (he does

10:01 schestowitz-TR; he did some videos on freenode IIRC)

10:01 schestowitz-TR; his last video that I watched was about arch, IIRC

10:01 schestowitz-TR; he kept going in circles saying the same thing over and over again in diufferent ways

10:01 schestowitz-TR; which is odd given how heavily edited it was

10:01 schestowitz-TR; like you can see the hair getting all combed up all of a suddent

10:01 schestowitz-TR; due to poor transitions

10:01 schestowitz-TR; which is so hilarious

10:01 schestowitz-TR; so he had it prepared

10:01 schestowitz-TR; but was unable to progress from one point to the next

10:01 schestowitz-TR; if he wrote an article, it would not be so good

10:01 schestowitz-TR; vloggers don't typically do articles

10:01 schestowitz-TR; Brodie's video description are always littered with lots of typos, through

10:01 schestowitz-TR; they're short

10:05 Techrights-sec2; back

10:05 Techrights-sec2; DT has not covered anything interesting lately

10:05 schestowitz-TR; apropos, dt's video count went down considerably, imho partly due to gulagtube algo and partly because he covers the same things over and over again e.g. xmonad

10:06 schestowitz-TR; that's a very typical scenario, not jusr for videos

10:06 schestowitz-TR; that's partly why I stopped covering patent issues aside from epo, as that's where exclusives are easy to produce

10:06 schestowitz-TR; and they concer not just patent issues but human rights, tech rights (workplace of tech), labour issues...

10:06 schestowitz-TR; which fascinates probably not just me...

10:06 schestowitz-TR; most places have these issues but not a strong, unionised workforce

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11 AM, July 21

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11:23 schestowitz-TR; ota

11:23 schestowitz-TR; just getting tea (break from coffee due to heat)

11:23 schestowitz-TR; OTA

11:23 schestowitz-TR; I recorded two ina row

11:23 schestowitz-TR; added first draft just now

11:23 schestowitz-TR; integrates your suggestion to dell

11:24 Techrights-sec2; ack

11:24 Techrights-sec2; s/embargo was listed/embargo was lifted/

11:25 Techrights-sec2; I'm not sure /any/ vendors are completely Windows-free, but Slimbook,

11:25 Techrights-sec2; System76, and a few others feature GNU/Linux /almost/ exclusively.

11:26 schestowitz-TR; I didn't want to name any of them

11:26 schestowitz-TR; as it would seem like "endorsement"

11:26 schestowitz-TR; and that's not "my department"

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11:30 Techrights-sec2; correct, it's not necesssary to name them explicitly just point out that

11:30 Techrights-sec2; there really are vendors availabe. But the sad fact is that AFAIK they

11:30 Techrights-sec2; all offer an option for Windows, as strange as it may be.

11:30 Techrights-sec2; Oops. It has changed. System76 does not offer Windows at least on a spot check

11:30 Techrights-sec2; of configurations! Kudos! Having even one option for that legacy OS means

11:30 Techrights-sec2; a shitload of licensing and bureacracy as well as extra, unnecessary staff.

11:30 Techrights-sec2; tldr; ignore my comment about the vendors

11:32 schestowitz-TR; in any event, everything perceived to be "endorsemen" can become a liability in the future

11:32 schestowitz-TR; e.g. freenode/Lee

11:32 schestowitz-TR; when you focus on the concepts, not the brand, the concept are immutable

11:32 schestowitz-TR; so no person or brand can "betray"

11:33 schestowitz-TR; FSF endorsed some rather dodgy things over the eyars

11:33 schestowitz-TR; that ended up, e.g., not even delivering to buyers

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11:34 Techrights-sec2; true

11:34 Techrights-sec2; the intent was not to name them but to point out (to you, here in the chat) that

11:34 Techrights-sec2; I thought those vendors were not entirely windows-free. But I stand corrected

11:34 Techrights-sec2; at least one is fully free of that legacy OS

11:36 schestowitz-TR; some people online (maybe trolls in /.) speculated HP would buy them

11:36 schestowitz-TR; so suddently you ended up having endorsed a department of some windows shop

11:36 schestowitz-TR; linsode is now akamai

11:36 schestowitz-TR; systemd is microsofters

11:36 schestowitz-TR; red hat is ibm

11:36 schestowitz-TR; pythoin's founder is a shill of proprietary crapware from microsoft

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12:06 schestowitz-TR; draft

12:06 schestowitz-TR; oh, typo in video title

12:06 schestowitz-TR; will regenerate the gif

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12:57 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:57 Techrights-sec2; I only ever see the NoScript snake there where the video links from


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16:07 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/enkiv2/status/1550075560818245633#m

↺ https://nitter.it/enkiv2/status/1550075560818245633#m

16:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- Psychotronic Tsundoku Infohazard (@enkiv2): "Random link from the archives: "" https://web.archive.org/web/20190710114943/http://techrights.org/2019/06/20/microsoft-bullying/ originally retrieved Wed Jul 10 11:49:43 EDT 2019"|nitter.it

https://web.archive.org/web/20190710114943/http://techrights.org/2019/06/20/microsoft-bullying/


5 PM, July 21

17:39 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Jack Wallen is conflating Microsoft systemd with Linux https://www.techrepublic.com/article/masked-services-linux-how-manage/

↺ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/masked-services-linux-how-manage/

17:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What are masked services in Linux, and how do you manage them? | TechRepublic


7 PM, July 21

19:02 Techrights-sec2; it seems to be widespread campaign centered around the microsofters. they

19:02 Techrights-sec2; are trying to pretend that Lennart is "Linux" and that he has been working

19:02 Techrights-sec2; for the community rather than against it

19:02 Techrights-sec2; ack

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19:12 schestowitz-TR; atm I am finalising part 2 of the series on microsoft media moles

19:12 schestowitz-TR; I am not sure how to write it in an "interesting" way

19:12 schestowitz-TR; but it will at leastbe precise

19:12 Techrights-sec2; accuracy is the most important anyway

19:14 schestowitz-TR; I've just surveyed the material. This series might be 5 or 6 parts in total. will you be around another 15 mins to see draft?

19:14 schestowitz-TR; re phd, unis are now paret of the "establishment"

19:14 schestowitz-TR; they forced me to write "IP" in my thesis

19:14 schestowitz-TR; don't expect them to blast power

19:14 schestowitz-TR; epo even bribes unis now

19:14 schestowitz-TR; for patent jingosism

19:14 schestowitz-TR; it's like a religion, eu does the same... pages with BS like "IP"

19:14 Techrights-sec2; I think so

19:14 Techrights-sec2; what bullshit, "IP" is not a real term

19:14 Techrights-sec2; unless its in the context of IPv4 or IPv6

19:16 schestowitz-TR; I dissented over it, but when they do oral exams and decide on your status you are playing a weak hand

19:16 schestowitz-TR; same for asking for the original uni's namne to be on the diploma

19:16 schestowitz-TR; anyway, that was ages ago, I've moved on

19:16 schestowitz-TR; working on the draft quicxkl, brb

19:16 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:16 Techrights-sec2; ok

19:36 schestowitz-TR; almost there..

19:36 schestowitz-TR; .

19:36 schestowitz-TR; draft

19:36 Techrights-sec2; ok

19:36 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:41 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:41 Techrights-sec2; "contracts or consulting," could be a hyperlink to the relevant PXE (PDF)

19:41 Techrights-sec2; "Microsoft whistleblower was burned" perhaps should be named once here too

19:41 Techrights-sec2; or if the whistleblower is to remain unamed in parts I and II, that fact

19:41 Techrights-sec2; should be mentioned briefly

19:41 schestowitz-TR; adding

19:42 schestowitz-TR; searching

19:42 schestowitz-TR; re identities, they will be implied from links

19:42 schestowitz-TR; but would rather not make them visible to search engines

19:50 Techrights-sec2; ok

19:50 Techrights-sec2; s/This is how the burner of the whistleblower attempted to defect himself/

19:50 Techrights-sec2; /The person who burned the whistleblower attempted to deflect from himself

19:50 Techrights-sec2; by /

19:50 Techrights-sec2; The nickname there needs to be tied to the real name, too.

19:50 Techrights-sec2; Peter "Microsoft Peter" Whatshisname

19:50 Techrights-sec2; thanks

19:50 Techrights-sec2; the mugshot is less important than having his actual name in the text itself

19:50 Techrights-sec2; There are too many links for people to have time to click on them randomly

19:50 Techrights-sec2; so a minimum level of context (such as the full name) must be provide so that

19:50 schestowitz-TR; I've added two links to that

19:50 Techrights-sec2; people will know which links to follow or not

19:50 schestowitz-TR; I will also add a mugshot now


8 PM, July 21

20:00 Techrights-sec2; again, I recommend ensuring that his full name is mentioned along with the

20:00 Techrights-sec2; nick name

20:00 Techrights-sec2; Oh, it's updated! thanks.

20:00 Techrights-sec2; afk

20:00 Techrights-sec2; ps the paragraph about "My work at Microsoft..." gives more than enough

20:00 Techrights-sec2; personal information to identify him specifically. :(

20:00 Techrights-sec2; afk

20:01 schestowitz-TR; yes, it will become impossible to hide identities given some personally revealing links etc.

20:01 schestowitz-TR; btu the balance is, do not focus on names, focus on the patterns

20:01 schestowitz-TR; he is fine with it, I asked him

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