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07:09 schestowitz-TR; just woke up
07:09 schestowitz-TR; restarted apache at techrights
07:09 schestowitz-TR; investigating why nsite was down
07:09 Techrights-sec; Some mention of software patents again at OIN via SN.
07:09 Techrights-sec; maintenance; eta ~ 30 min
07:09 Techrights-sec; done
07:17 schestowitz-TR; turns out
07:17 schestowitz-TR; that the downtime was about 30 mins
07:17 schestowitz-TR; if that happens again
07:17 schestowitz-TR; httpd stop
07:17 schestowitz-TR; then start
07:17 schestowitz-TR; seems to resolved the issue
07:17 schestowitz-TR; it happened in the very distant past, maybe 2 years ago
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08:03 Techrights-sec; I will log in and check the logs too.
08:03 Techrights-sec; $ uptime
08:03 Techrights-sec; 07:59:57 up 16 days, 23:24, 2 users, load average: 3.69, 4.73, 8.95
08:03 Techrights-sec; These are somewhat suspicious:
08:03 Techrights-sec; [Fri Jan 21 07:55:19.286360 2022] [proxy_fcgi:error] [pid 14172:tid 1402989737920
08:03 Techrights-sec; 00] [client 81.152.238.64:45176] AH01068: Got bogus version 101
08:03 Techrights-sec; [Fri Jan 21 07:57:02.299727 2022] [cgi:error] [pid 14092:tid 140299218614016] [cl
08:03 Techrights-sec; ient 103.102.69.80:58225] script not found or unable to stat: /var/www/cgi-bin/we
08:03 Techrights-sec; bscr, referer: http://techrights.org/donate/
08:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Donate | Techrights
08:03 Techrights-sec; from /var/log/httpd/techrights.org-error_log
08:04 schestowitz-TR; if these are never seen before, then maybe... I think around 6:30 my time, based
08:04 schestowitz-TR; on the emails we got, the site became not available
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08:21 Techrights-sec; I think they're probably unrelated but something that probably ought to be fixed
08:22 schestowitz-TR; this sort of issue last happened in 2020 iirc, maybe 2019
08:24 Techrights-sec; I think they're probably unrelated but something that probably ought to be fixed
08:24 Techrights-sec; The logs only go back a short while:
08:24 Techrights-sec; # journalctl -u httpd | head -n3
08:24 Techrights-sec; -- Logs begin at Thu 2022-01-20 00:50:39 UTC, end at Fri 2022-01-21 08:23:08 UTC.
08:24 Techrights-sec; --
08:24 Techrights-sec; Jan 21 07:07:01 techrights systemd[1]: Stopping The Apache HTTP Server...
08:24 Techrights-sec; Jan 21 07:08:31 techrights systemd[1]: httpd.service stop-sigterm timed out. Kill
08:24 Techrights-sec; ing.
08:24 schestowitz-TR; it did feel like it had timed out or hung
08:25 schestowitz-TR; in the past we had a cron job to restart apache in case of issues, very distant past, I think you wrote that code in 2013
08:26 Techrights-sec; looking at other logs ...
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08:29 Techrights-sec; there's a lot which can be done to quiet the logs, once there is a proper OS
08:29 Techrights-sec; upgrade
08:29 Techrights-sec; Check /var/log/messages around 06:00:01
08:32 Techrights-sec; checking
08:32 Techrights-sec; ok, i can see systemd spawning lots of crap
08:32 schestowitz-TR; checking
08:32 schestowitz-TR; ok, i can see systemd spawning lots of crap
08:33 Techrights-sec; Check /var/log/messages around 06:00:01 and 06:30:01, prbobably a cron job
08:33 Techrights-sec; not sure if it is related
08:33 Techrights-sec; There are also these which are curious:
08:33 Techrights-sec; Jan 21 06:59:56 techrights journal: Suppressed 524 messages from /system.slice/po
08:33 Techrights-sec; stfix.service
08:38 schestowitz-TR; btw, it looks the ccapsule is not updating with new articlkes
08:38 schestowitz-TR; have not yet looked into it
08:56 Techrights-sec; The last response seems to be at 06:05:48
08:56 Techrights-sec; - - - [21/Jan/2022:06:05:48 +0000] "GET /videos/six-gemini-clients.webm HTTP/1.1"
08:56 Techrights-sec; 206 42004750 "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTM
08:56 Techrights-sec; L, like Gecko) Chrome/70.0.3538.54 Safari/537.36"
08:56 Techrights-sec; - - - [21/Jan/2022:07:08:37 +0000] "GET /wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Techrights-pi
08:56 Techrights-sec; llars.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 11240 "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36
08:56 Techrights-sec; (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/97.0.4692.71 Safari/537.36"
08:56 Techrights-sec; but the error log continues onward after that
08:56 Techrights-sec; ok I'll look at Gemini now
08:56 Techrights-sec; the connectivity to the rpi is very slow
08:56 Techrights-sec; Failed feed for 'http://techrights.org/feed/'
08:56 Techrights-sec; Could not find feed at URL: "http://techrights.org/feed/"
08:56 Techrights-sec; $ wget http://techrights.org/feed/
08:56 Techrights-sec; --2022-01-21 08:52:31-- http://techrights.org/feed/
08:56 Techrights-sec; Resolving techrights.org (techrights.org)... 23.161.112.116
08:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/feed/ )
08:56 Techrights-sec; Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... connected.
08:56 Techrights-sec; HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
08:56 Techrights-sec; ...
08:56 Techrights-sec; TR seems unreachable from the RPi, the Gemini script has been trying for over
08:56 Techrights-sec; 10 minutes to reach it via HTTP and retrieve an uncorrupted feed file.
08:57 schestowitz-TR; oh wait
08:57 schestowitz-TR; site is down again
08:59 schestowitz-TR; restarting apache
09:00 Techrights-sec; still unresponsive via HTTP from the RPi
09:01 schestowitz-TR; did you run something also? now systemd gets all fussy about apache
09:01 Techrights-sec; Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... failed: Conne
09:01 Techrights-sec; ction refused.
09:01 Techrights-sec; nope
09:01 Techrights-sec; just watching the system logs
09:02 Techrights-sec; Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: Unit httpd.se
09:02 Techrights-sec; rvice entered failed state.
09:02 Techrights-sec; Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: Unit httpd.service entered failed state.
09:02 Techrights-sec; Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: httpd.service failed.
09:03 Techrights-sec; the gemini script tries 10 times to get a feed and then fails. :/
09:03 schestowitz-TR; site back online and working
09:03 schestowitz-TR; I think your tests encountered a different kind of issue
09:03 schestowitz-TR; due to site being offline
09:05 Techrights-sec; Something like that happens enough for retries to have been added to the
09:05 Techrights-sec; scripts.
09:05 Techrights-sec; The httpd configuration files need polishing and refactoring.
09:06 schestowitz-TR; they are rather old
09:08 schestowitz-TR; wait, I think I see a pattern now
09:08 schestowitz-TR; many requests for very loaded pages
09:08 schestowitz-TR; maybe gaming up the capacity
09:08 schestowitz-TR; oh, never mind, I misread that
09:09 Techrights-sec; The warnings
09:09 Techrights-sec; indicate that they won't work in future versions as they currently are.
09:09 Techrights-sec; ack
09:09 schestowitz-TR; in future OS kaniini wishes to move away from apache completely
09:10 Techrights-sec; towards?
09:10 schestowitz-TR; cannot remember
09:12 Techrights-sec; nginx ? OpenBSD's httpd?
09:13 Techrights-sec; Moving away from Apache2 is probably a good move, it has gotten too bloated.
09:13 Techrights-sec; Nginx has also bloated
09:13 schestowitz-TR; its founder has just quit
09:13 schestowitz-TR; (f5)
09:13 schestowitz-TR; apache's founder now works for zemlin
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09:27 Techrights-sec; nothing in the journalctl logs regarding the last freeze
09:27 Techrights-sec; Jan 21 07:08:37 techrights systemd[1]: Started The Apache HTTP Server.
09:27 Techrights-sec; Jan 21 08:58:41 techrights systemd[1]: Stopping The Apache HTTP Server...
09:27 schestowitz-TR; yes, those are me
09:27 schestowitz-TR; re gemini, the capsule is up to date again
09:27 schestowitz-TR; we need to watch closely apache today as I cannot recall such
09:27 schestowitz-TR; issues in years and it happened twice in 3 hours
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09:46 Techrights-sec; gemini-cron-updater.sh finally ran to completion successfully,
09:46 Techrights-sec; connectivity seems to be a severe problem
09:46 Techrights-sec; Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... failed: Conne
09:46 Techrights-sec; ction refused.
09:47 schestowitz-TR; was that when apache was down
09:47 schestowitz-TR; seems unrelated to thr trraffic shaping policy
10:03 Techrights-sec; some of it was while Apache was down.
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10:05 schestowitz-TR; ok, so that clarifies it better
10:05 schestowitz-TR; this past week or since Monday we had harder times
10:05 schestowitz-TR; but I think these are the tests (like ddos, threats, slap)
10:05 schestowitz-TR; that make or break or set apart sites that can stay standing
10:05 schestowitz-TR; for decadea dnd those that cannopt
10:05 schestowitz-TR; I have spoken a lot lately with the last editor of
10:05 schestowitz-TR; linux journal, who is a fan of tuxmachines and contributes
10:05 schestowitz-TR; to it
10:05 schestowitz-TR; a lot of "proper" reporting sites are gone and maybe
10:05 schestowitz-TR; the sole upside is that more of the people who whispered to
10:05 schestowitz-TR; them are now whispering to us instead with tips and leads
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10:11 Techrights-sec; ack
10:11 Techrights-sec; There would be inconvenience in upgrading but I think the net result would be
10:11 Techrights-sec; lower maintenance.
10:12 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I wonder if the publication style and format can be altered to make wordpress obsolete, seeing how the pattern of news changes over time, with barely any journalism left at least in the covered areas (patents etc.)
10:12 schestowitz-TR; I think a radically new approach of some kind is needed
10:13 schestowitz-TR; and one which does not rely on "social" media of gulagtube etc.
10:14 schestowitz-TR; oh, also gulagnews
10:14 schestowitz-TR; it is becoming so noisy and the "signal" is relatively low quality
10:14 schestowitz-TR; compared to 2005-2010
10:14 schestowitz-TR; like, what's the point linking to some law firms's pure BS even
10:14 schestowitz-TR; if you respond to them?
10:14 schestowitz-TR; On UPC it is 100% BS, 0% actual jopurnalism
10:15 Techrights-sec; Google news is more spam and propaganda than info.
10:19 Techrights-sec; Yes, but many in the so-called business sector worship BS and admire
10:19 Techrights-sec; a successful grift more than anything of substance.
10:19 Techrights-sec; :(
10:22 schestowitz-TR; yes, but "every littkle" we can do to push back against it matters a lot
10:22 schestowitz-TR; I think RMS said something to that effect too last yuear
10:22 schestowitz-TR; iirc, in re the clown
10:22 schestowitz-TR; just because we donm't win the war doesn't mean we should stop the small battles
10:22 schestowitz-TR; or, as my dad puts it, every littlew activism can "slow down" the harms
10:23 Techrights-sec; agreed; yes he has repeated that theme occasionally
10:25 schestowitz-TR; upc was 'supposed' to have come in 2015, but we keep kicking that aside and RMS too is involved behind the curtains
10:25 schestowitz-TR; oh, btw, as a reminder, groklaw 'shut down' in 2013, but News Picks was last updated in 2014
10:25 activelow; theft and plundering doesn't require a patent curt anyway
10:25 schestowitz-TR; because PJ added a pick about Alice, SCOTUS 2014
10:25 schestowitz-TR; a major breakthrough
10:26 activelow; theft and fraud remain what they are, with or without patent claims involved
10:27 schestowitz-TR; true
10:27 schestowitz-TR; but that is an extra tool for 'legitimising' the theft
10:27 schestowitz-TR; like making 150 euros from each german for 3 doses
10:27 schestowitz-TR; which cost like 50 cents to produce and distribute
10:28 schestowitz-TR; the nurse that administers the "juice" costs more than the "juice"
10:28 schestowitz-TR; because of the hourly rate. Maybe they can do, at most, 10 people per hour
10:28 schestowitz-TR; and then they wonder why so many workers resign
10:28 schestowitz-TR; they get paid like 10% of what the dose is charged for
10:29 schestowitz-TR; and the dose costs almost nothing to mae
10:29 schestowitz-TR; what does that make the nurse?
10:29 schestowitz-TR; a little corporate slave of a patent cabal?
10:30 activelow; just, sometimes, i feel as if some of the opposition to patents is motivated by the same mindset which supports it: fraud and theft
10:30 activelow; removal of a GPL or BSD license header is equally terrible
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10:47 schestowitz-TR; i have just had to give apache a kick again. first around 6:30am, then around 8:5
10:47 schestowitz-TR; 0 iirc, now it's 10:40 ish
10:49 Techrights-sec; I suppose I should turn on monitoring here. Hardware is all different so I'll
10:49 Techrights-sec; have to re-script things
10:49 schestowitz-TR; we also have some existing script somewhere to start apache again if the site cannot be reached over default port for http
10:51 schestowitz-TR; of note, but probbaly not important:
10:51 schestowitz-TR; about 5 days ago, for the first time in months
10:51 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines needed the script that restarts apache
10:51 schestowitz-TR; and restricts access via htaccess
10:51 schestowitz-TR; that became needed again 2 days later
10:51 schestowitz-TR; and then last night
10:52 Techrights-sec; ack
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11:25 schestowitz; rant: ages ago I followed https://www.rdwolff.com/feed but some time along the way these "wise men" decided that they should instead rely on Twitter and Facebook to manage their audience
11:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.rdwolff.com/feed )
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11:41 schestowitz-TR; have quickly written a short monitoring script taking into account the
11:41 schestowitz-TR; different hardware arrangement on this end
11:41 Techrights-sec; have quickly written a short monitoring script taking into account the
11:41 Techrights-sec; different hardware arrangement on this end
11:42 schestowitz-TR; it'll be interesting to see if there's a time pattern, like every 2 hours. I watch tmux more closely now and generally speaking it seems like an issue we can tackle by day's end. at least gemini works perfectly except the logging/stats
11:53 schestowitz-TR; ths afternoon/eve (4pm) I go shopping for food, it'll be my exercise
11:53 schestowitz-TR; aim it to haul over 20KG of things, but that's wishful unless you count
11:53 schestowitz-TR; liquids
11:53 schestowitz-TR; I am doing a quick blog post about COVID right now
11:55 Techrights-sec; A frined here has fallen for a lot of disinformation via Facebook.
11:55 Techrights-sec; It is troublesome how many are in denial about social contol media's real
11:55 Techrights-sec; nature despite the fact they see the filtering and sorting of messages
11:55 Techrights-sec; according to algorthms and not according to time sent.
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12:13 schestowitz; x https://wallstrt24.com/2022/01/20/open-source-services-market-report-covers-future-trends-with-research-2022-2029-accenture-wipro/
12:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wallstrt24.com | Open Source Services Market Report Covers Future Trends with Research 2022-2029 | Accenture, Wipro Wall Street 24
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15:00 Techrights-sec; TR down
15:00 Techrights-sec; systemd does not seem to restart httpd properly
15:00 schestowitz-TR2; I was recording a video
15:01 schestowitz-TR2; seems like you fixed it. Yes, systemd can act funny but at the end it does restart.
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15:38 Techrights-sec; I've lost track, which script creates /home/gemini/gemini/chat/index.gmi
15:38 Techrights-sec; it's not located in ~gemin/bin/ and the file is fetch from TR
15:38 schestowitz-TR2; it is part of the watcher, which also generated the latest logs (number of requests per day).
15:39 schestowitz-TR2; right now it gets nothing from the daily log file, but that's faaaar from criticial
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15:55 schestowitz-TR2; back in about an hour
15:55 schestowitz-TR2; going to hunt for food on the cheap
15:55 schestowitz-TR2; my main pc is transcoding a 50-min video
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18:06 schestowitz-TR2; siite was down for about 1.5 hours after I had left but it came back online just
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; fine when I got back though I wonder what to do at night, maybe keep a small lapt
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; opm nemar me
18:06 Techrights-sec; ack
18:06 Techrights-sec; what???
18:06 Techrights-sec; My script here failed to detect the down time. :( More adjustments needed.
18:10 Techrights-sec; The logs show that it was active through the last hours. ??
18:10 schestowitz-TR2; first I saw apachetop and then monsastic email
18:11 Techrights-sec; The error log was active the whole time, srtangely.
18:12 Techrights-sec; So some aspect of it was hanging until restart at 1755
18:13 schestowitz-TR2; i am just happy yo be healthy and with lots of new food
18:13 schestowitz-TR2; the site did not lose any data, same for gemini and ipfs, we just lose some uptim
18:13 schestowitz-TR2; e and time
18:13 schestowitz-TR2; been a tough week, better days ahead
18:13 Techrights-sec; # httpd -V 2>/dev/null | grep ^Server
18:13 Techrights-sec; xxxxx
18:13 Techrights-sec; Server compiled with....
18:17 schestowitz-TR2; ssomeone has just donated 10 pounds to tuxmachines
18:17 Techrights-sec; yes
18:17 Techrights-sec; congrats
18:17 Techrights-sec; maybe patreon and strip accounts would make that easier?
18:17 schestowitz-TR2; it would make me feel indebted an stressed IF that was to happen, rianne thinks
18:18 schestowitz-TR2; she says, unlike larabel and liam dawe, we don't 'owe' anything and that lowers the anxiety/stress
18:18 schestowitz-TR2; but maybe if we quit or lose our job
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; btw, when the site was down I noticed that the script with alaerm for site
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; now available -- the one that shows and updates the stats
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; it tries to make a blink on the colour LEDs
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; but it is looking for a python script that does not exist in the same location
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; as in Debian 10
18:23 schestowitz-TR2; I did not take note, but it's some python3 something under /usr/bin/ or something
18:23 Techrights-sec; ack
18:23 Techrights-sec; probably something that was under /usr/local/bin/ on the old microSD card,
18:23 Techrights-sec; what name is it looking for ?
18:25 schestowitz-TR2; checking...
18:25 schestowitz-TR2; oh, it goes to gemini-ping-rot.sh
18:25 schestowitz-TR2; in turn, this looks for run-blinky.py without path specified
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18:25 schestowitz-TR2; PATH above does not cover it
18:27 Techrights-sec; run-blinkt.py is on the Gemini rpi
18:27 Techrights-sec; but not yet restored to /usr/local/bin/
18:27 Techrights-sec; checking
18:27 Techrights-sec; That /should/ work with run-blinkt.py in ~gemini/bin/ but /usr/local/bin/ would
18:27 Techrights-sec; be good too
18:27 Techrights-sec; testing ...
18:27 Techrights-sec; group permissin problem gemini needs to be in the gpio group IIRC
18:27 Techrights-sec; gpasswd -a gemini gpio
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18:28 schestowitz; /home/gemini/bin $ sudo gpasswd -a gemini gpio
18:28 schestowitz; Adding user gemini to group gpio
18:29 schestowitz; timeout 9 run-blinkt.py flashed_bar 250 128 128 0.0001
18:29 schestowitz; timeout: failed to run command run-blinkt.py: No such file or directory
18:29 Techrights-sec; ok then log out from gemini account and back in for th changes to take effect
18:30 Techrights-sec; seems to work from within the gemini account, did you see LEDs?
18:31 schestowitz-TR2; yes, I saw LEDs on
18:31 schestowitz-TR2; but when I run it localoly I ge..... oh, wait
18:31 schestowitz-TR2; I know why
18:32 schestowitz-TR2; my bad
18:32 schestowitz-TR2; I run the command directly without PATH
18:32 schestowitz-TR2; so this is solved
18:32 Techrights-sec; ack
18:36 schestowitz-TR2; iranne just finished work and is watching all the items I bought individually
18:36 schestowitz-TR2; she will bring tuxmachines up to date, I need to work on Andy's series
18:36 schestowitz-TR2; I will watch apachetop etc. just to ensure uptime
18:36 schestowitz-TR2; s// watching/washing/
18:36 schestowitz-TR2; too many people in large stores like aldi, so I go to small local ones inastead
18:36 schestowitz-TR2; people are either careful or totally creless
18:36 schestowitz-TR2; some business we used to walk past have shut down permanently
18:36 schestowitz-TR2; not a pretty site when they start breaking walls, wires hanging etc.
18:36 Techrights-sec; excellent; I will watch but the parts I was paying attention to were not
18:36 Techrights-sec; acting up, the error log seemed ot run fine
18:36 Techrights-sec; yes businesses have been shutting down left and right but that is not new here
18:36 Techrights-sec; with the pandemic but a problem for over a decade
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19:26 schestowitz-TR2; those issues have equivalents in the digital realms and tie into the
19:26 schestowitz-TR2; Neo-Luddite misframing that Andy speaks of
19:26 schestowitz-TR2; as local stores suffer much of the same fate we have in "digital"
19:26 schestowitz-TR2; but those are not directly tech-riughts issues
19:26 schestowitz-TR2; (fridge and freezxer turned from empty to "too full" :-) back with coffee now
19:27 Techrights-sec; Rights in general are on the rocks. They are weakened or not enforced in
19:27 Techrights-sec; the digital realm and then that carries back to the real world.
19:27 Techrights-sec; Apparently it is hard to buy kitchen appliances that are *not* connecting to
19:27 Techrights-sec; the Internet via wifi.
19:28 schestowitz-TR2; I know little about these
19:28 schestowitz-TR2; we bought a second small oven
19:29 schestowitz-TR2; after the main one became not reliable in two strange ways
19:29 schestowitz-TR2; it's all analogue and mechanical
19:29 schestowitz-TR2; so I have little understanding of 'ssmrt" kitchen
19:29 schestowitz-TR2; and therefore cannot write meaningful things on the mmatter
19:30 Techrights-sec; Was it the oven or the house wiring which is unreliable?
19:30 Techrights-sec; Last time we bought a kitchen appliance, a few years ago, many inflicted wifi
19:30 Techrights-sec; on you. It was hard to find a model without it. From conversations, it seems
19:30 Techrights-sec; that it have become even more difficult to find a secure household appliance.
19:30 Techrights-sec; Secure, as in no network, not even bluetooth networking.
19:30 schestowitz-TR2; I never saw one
19:30 schestowitz-TR2; as I said, I'm not "into" those things
19:30 schestowitz-TR2; the "old" oven might be OK
19:30 schestowitz-TR2; but the outages are too risky
19:30 schestowitz-TR2; it's still there, still working in principle
19:30 schestowitz-TR2; but the smaller one is neater
19:31 schestowitz-TR2; as for alternatives to "spy" kutchen
19:31 schestowitz-TR2; we can raise demand, collectively as a society, for dumb ones
19:31 schestowitz-TR2; then, the market will exist and even thrive
19:31 schestowitz-TR2; we might need to choose the right word
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; "spy" kitchen is catchy
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; I'm sure others said it before
19:35 Techrights-sec; Or being more paranoid, they exist to provide a foothold inside the WLAN from
19:35 Techrights-sec; which to "move laterally" into the other devices.
19:35 Techrights-sec; home appliances might be another series. However I know nothing about the details
19:35 Techrights-sec; of the current market.
19:35 schestowitz-TR2; mind you, series like the one about cars is very handy
19:35 schestowitz-TR2; like the windows-in-hospital thing
19:35 schestowitz-TR2; I used these repeatedly as a landing point
19:35 schestowitz-TR2; it would be good if we had one for "smart" applicnace, but the only "smart" thing
19:35 schestowitz-TR2; s I have are general-purposes PCs
19:37 Techrights-sec; yes, I've noticed the silence. It is worrisome.
19:37 schestowitz-TR2; don't want to be sound like opportunistic basher
19:37 schestowitz-TR2; but notice how rms at gnu.org andf fsf barely say a thing about it
19:37 schestowitz-TR2; afaik, evewn libreplanet does not have talks on these issues
19:37 schestowitz-TR2; but... one gnu project talks about the issue wiuth smart meters
19:37 schestowitz-TR2; and attempts to make free software alternative/s to them
19:39 schestowitz-TR2; unpopular opinion: i think a 'free' alternative to smart meters
19:39 schestowitz-TR2; is the wrong thing
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; like RMS said about making otheer facebooks
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; because those meters don't serve much of a purpose
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; no more than "self-checkout" at stores
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; today I rejected all these machines
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; also, the man from the energy company came to check the meters
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; turns o out even when you give them readings yourleslf
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; they still send out these ppeople to check you don't cheat
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; so wtf???
19:40 schestowitz-TR2; we pay like 50 pounds extrta per year to not deal with this garbage
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; you might say, but this man who knocked oin the door this afternoon is covid vect
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; or
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; first of all, we protect his job
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; he's about 60
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; second, I keep huige distance from him while guiding him where t find the meter
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; than we wash the floor, which we planned to do regardless
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; this only happens a few times per year
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; and I don't need to learn web sites and usernames and passwords
19:42 schestowitz-TR2; and "apps"
19:43 Techrights-sec; At this point the markets are not growing into new areas, they are consolidating
19:43 Techrights-sec; and thus creating FOSS alternatives or even pushing established FOSS originals
19:43 Techrights-sec; is insufficient. It is needed now to get the corporate executives to see
19:43 Techrights-sec; the monetary and ethical and other value of Freedom. Even with "smart" meters.
19:43 Techrights-sec; so often?
19:43 Techrights-sec; How much do the apps track non-meter related activities?
19:45 Techrights-sec; I expect that they track as much as they can get away with tracking.
19:45 Techrights-sec; The can do that already now because there is no pushback. See above comments
19:45 Techrights-sec; about erosion of exercised rights online. 99.999% of people probably don't
19:45 Techrights-sec; even know that the app is tied to a service and that the service and data are
19:45 Techrights-sec; not on the phone.
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; i would rephrase that question
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; how much WILL they track
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; because, as usual, all those things are like Trojan horse
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; they want the foot in your door first
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; and there is no path for 'downgrade'
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; ok, maybe we need to write about these issues throughout the year
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; I am taking notes
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; but the point is, at first they said they needed readings
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; now they say they 'optimise' the usage
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; that means, they track your movements around the home
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; next they can add microphones to the meters
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; and other sensors
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; to basically profile your in-home behaviour
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; this isn't a theory anymore
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; and the data partners are likely the reasons or enablers of the "discounts"
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; same in stores with "loyalty" cars that let them sell a list of puirchases items
19:48 schestowitz-TR2; e.g. insurance companyy checking what yiu eat
19:49 Techrights-sec; Heck most people I have asked don't know and won't accept that WhatsApp is not
19:49 Techrights-sec; on their phone and that the data is kept in data centers outside the country.
19:49 Techrights-sec; Data == their photos and other communications.
19:49 Techrights-sec; The microphones can be smaller than a sesame seed these days so they are cheap
19:49 Techrights-sec; to add. However although cheap to add, it would still cost something and
19:49 Techrights-sec; the suits are adverse to spending anything. The bigger risk is tying the
19:49 Techrights-sec; devices to fancier microphones like Siri, Alexa, Echo, Google, etc.
19:50 Techrights-sec; those exist already, like smaoke alarms with "alexa"
19:50 schestowitz-TR2; those exist already, like smaoke alarms with "alexa"
19:50 SomeH4x0r; really weird. IM by design can't be on one's device
19:50 SomeH4x0r; or any other form of communication
19:50 SomeH4x0r; it is transmitted over some channel
19:51 SomeH4x0r; unless they talk to themselves
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; it does not need to be centralised
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; you can do peer to peer
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; with encryption, too
19:51 SomeH4x0r; I think WhatsApp stores cached messages
19:52 Techrights-sec; https://www.businessinsider.com/scientists-designed-a-smart-toilet-with-butt-recognition-technology-2020-4
19:52 Techrights-sec; https://mashable.com/article/smart-toilet-analprint-scan
19:52 Techrights-sec; Yep and doorbells tied to them as well as too the various police departments.
19:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | This Smart Toilet Can Read Your Anus Like a Fingerprint
19:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mashable.com | This toilet recognizes your butthole and uploads photos to the cloud
19:52 SomeH4x0r; so it is *both* on the big server, and a "cached" (as in not reliable) copy on the device
19:52 SomeH4x0r; I have no experience with WhatsApp, but here many people use another program, and it allows editing or removing such messages
19:53 schestowitz-TR2; SomeH4x0r: iirc, you are in home of whatapp
19:53 schestowitz-TR2; its founder
19:53 schestowitz-TR2; whatever it USED to do
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; you cannot trust "meta" to maintain
19:54 SomeH4x0r; yes
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; what's more, they already put back doors in whatsapp "encryption
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; and thenm falsely marketed it
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; same with telegram
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; this is typical
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; when microsoft bought skype it changed the topology
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; so everything must go via Microsoft
19:54 SomeH4x0r; I seen many things to be getting worse over time, but the bigger they are, the eviler they are
19:55 schestowitz-TR2; yes
19:55 schestowitz-TR2; you are right in your pessimism
19:55 schestowitz-TR2; but too much pessimism can hurt activism too
19:55 schestowitz-TR2; we need to go after the bigger issues
19:56 schestowitz-TR2; and not expect TOO much
19:56 SomeH4x0r; yes, I'm not sure if there is anything left to do, or I'd better to kill myself in order not to suffer from all this shit each day
19:56 SomeH4x0r; every person *might* be hostile
19:56 schestowitz-TR2; your parents are at least sober
19:56 schestowitz-TR2; there's worse than this
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; some people survive heroin parents, incest etc.
19:57 Techrights-sec; ack
19:57 Techrights-sec; ack
19:57 SomeH4x0r; but these parents are getting brainwashed by "modern" tech over time
19:57 SomeH4x0r; my parents, I mean
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; that's part of the monster
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; it's not the parents
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; but what's brainwashing them
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; so go after the monster
19:58 schestowitz-TR2; slay it
19:58 SomeH4x0r; if I murder someone whom I hate, I'm going to get imprisoned and then die in prison
19:58 schestowitz-TR2; I have managed to convince my dad to NOT bother with a lot of "modern" so-called 'tech'
19:59 schestowitz-TR2; but maybe because I have lots of time with him, almost as much as "mainstream"
20:00 SomeH4x0r; they use social media to earn money, and for entertainment too
20:00 SomeH4x0r; *social control media
20:03 SomeH4x0r; they want me to study programming after I finish school. I don't even completely understand what is programming.
20:03 SomeH4x0r; as I said on #techrights, I tried to learn it, but then I got lost in what to do
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20:07 Techrights-sec; The appliance stores' web sites don't make mention of connectivity but
20:07 Techrights-sec; in various reviews you can pick up circumstantial evidencs such as "manage
20:07 Techrights-sec; your laundry machine via your smartphone".
20:07 Techrights-sec; https://www.mieleusa.com/e/miele-mobile-app-zpv000000000000000020007384500-f
20:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.mieleusa.com | Miele mobile app | Miele
20:07 Techrights-sec; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/miele-app-smart-home/id930406907
20:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apps.apple.com | Miele app Smart Home on the AppStore
20:09 Techrights-sec; https://www.aeg.co.uk/support/support-articles/laundry/washing-machines/washing-m
20:09 Techrights-sec; achine-and-tumble-dryer-wifi-help/
20:09 Techrights-sec; https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/my-aeg-care/id1087824977
20:10 schestowitz-TR2; lol
20:10 schestowitz-TR2; i can't wait
20:10 schestowitz-TR2; that will improve my life sooooooooo much
20:10 schestowitz-TR2; what next?
20:10 schestowitz-TR2; a toilet that tells you when the water refilled up?
20:10 schestowitz-TR2; and sends you a notification?
20:10 schestowitz-TR2; "something happened something happened" (Windows)
20:10 SomeH4x0r; I feel like society is FUBAR and it can only be destroyed at best
20:10 SomeH4x0r; but it is not my fault
20:11 schestowitz-TR2; https://www.aeg.co.uk/support/support-articles/laundry/washing-machines/washing-machine-and-tumble-dryer-wifi-help/
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20:11 SomeH4x0r; I mean, I doubt I would be able to do anything to it
20:12 SomeH4x0r; I convinced a person to install GNU/Linux on their device, only to understand later than it has been under attack for years already. Like systemd or whatever.
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20:12 TechrightsBN; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75
20:13 schestowitz-TR2; SomeH4x0r: even with systemd it's a lot better than Windows
20:13 SomeH4x0r; and in the end, the most used program on the device is a web browser
20:13 Techrights-sec; https://www.geappliances.com/ge/connected-appliances/washer-dryer-laundry.htm
20:13 Techrights-sec; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/comfort-ge-appliances/id1089857433
20:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.geappliances.com | GE Smart Washers and Dryers | GE Appliances
20:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apps.apple.com | Comfort - GE Appliances on the AppStore
20:14 SomeH4x0r; and so I realized there is no real escape, and I have to suffer until I die
20:14 schestowitz-TR2; SomeH4x0r: no, there are many life you
20:14 schestowitz-TR2; but isolated
20:15 schestowitz-TR2; *lkike you
20:15 schestowitz-TR2; *like you
20:15 schestowitz-TR2; social control media exacerbates this
20:15 SomeH4x0r; worsened by certain events which made me distrust many people, like "BLM" (was kicked out certain places and called to be "racist") or COVID-19 stuff where many say I'm retarded or even a threat for others because I don't want to get the "vaccine"
20:15 schestowitz-TR2; as does the marketing 'industry'
20:15 schestowitz-TR2; making such people feel rejected, inadequate, and linely
20:15 schestowitz-TR2; *lonely
20:15 schestowitz-TR2; until they buy what they're commanded
20:15 SomeH4x0r; I only use IRC. Seems to be the same.
20:16 SomeH4x0r; the same brainwashed people
20:16 SomeH4x0r; I should socialize less
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; depends where in IRC
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; it's a protocl
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; not a network
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; and not a channel
20:17 Techrights-sec; https://offthebroiler.com/bluetooth-coffee-maker/
20:17 Techrights-sec; https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3489045
20:17 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-offthebroiler.com | The Best Bluetooth Coffee Maker of 2022 - Top Rated & Reviewed
20:17 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-queue.acm.org | The Software Industry IS STILL the Problem - ACM Queue
20:17 SomeH4x0r; some random networks around the Internet
20:17 schestowitz-TR2; i have an appo for my coffee machine
20:17 schestowitz-TR2; it's a button
20:17 schestowitz-TR2; I press it
20:17 schestowitz-TR2; and it starts brewing
20:17 schestowitz-TR2; press again to stop
20:19 SomeH4x0r; HTCPCP or whatever it was called?
20:19 Techrights-sec; these firware add-ons are transparent means to add marked up costs and to
20:19 Techrights-sec; accelerate technological obsolesence. The software will "wear out" and become
20:19 Techrights-sec; a major liability before even the flimsiest physical component fails.
20:19 Techrights-sec; ^obsolescen
20:20 schestowitz-TR2; good point, did not think of it at first
20:20 schestowitz-TR2; some appliances can otherwise last long
20:20 schestowitz-TR2; my mom's microowave we have had since I was like 10
20:20 SomeH4x0r; and how old are you now?
20:27 schestowitz-TR2; just turned 40
20:27 Techrights-sec; The bluetooth chips are probably a few cents the microcontroller a few tens
20:27 Techrights-sec; of cents and then the markup up to several orders of magnitude larger.
20:27 Techrights-sec; The marginal cost for reproducing the software is zero, after the intial
20:27 Techrights-sec; design. So you can figure the odds of them spending even a cent on patching
20:27 Techrights-sec; or upgrades once the unit is sold from the factory to the distributors.
20:27 Techrights-sec; I hope the frequencies have not drifted beyond what is blocked by the screen.
20:27 Techrights-sec; https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/tungstenlight-bulb-scandal-1908/
20:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com | The Tungsten Light Bulb Scandal of 1908 - New England Historical Society
20:27 Techrights-sec; http://economicstudents.com/2012/09/planned-obsolescence-the-light-bulb-conspirac
20:27 Techrights-sec; y/
20:27 Techrights-sec; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
20:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-economicstudents.com | Planned Obsolescence: The Light Bulb Conspiracy - Economics Student Society of Australia (ESSA)
20:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Phoebus cartel - Wikipedia
20:41 Techrights-sec; https://academic.oup.com/ojls/article/41/3/719/6130120
20:41 Techrights-sec; http://www.ejolt.org/2014/10/designed-to-fail/
20:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-academic.oup.com | Planned Obsolescence in the Context of a Holistic Legal Sphere and the Circular Economy | Oxford Journal of Legal Studies | Oxford Academic
20:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ejolt.org | Designed to fail
20:42 schestowitz-TR2; i will think of ways to keep up with site issues while asleep, no issue for ~3 hours now
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