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04:46 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovelyz#2020%E2%80%932021:_Unforgettable_and_departure_from_Woollim_Entertainment
04:46 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Lovelyz - Wikipedia
04:46 schestowitz; "On November 1, 2021, Woollim Entertainment announced 7 of the members, except Baby Soul, chosen not to renew their contracts which expired on November 16. Woollim Entertainment however didn't mentioned in its press release sent to news agencies on whether the group would be disbanded"
04:46 schestowitz; What a shame
04:46 schestowitz; their tracks were excellent. This could be the end.
05:06 schestowitz; Re: Quick question: about TM submission formatting
05:07 schestowitz; > Thank you! And yes, maintaining motivation can be challenging sometimes.
05:07 schestowitz; > Life just keeps getting in the way.
05:07 schestowitz; I've found that momentum/inertia is very important, as the mind and body tend to work like that. Like merely starting a workout to be in a workout mood/mode.
05:07 schestowitz; I think Cory Doctorow said something to the effect of having to write something every day just to maintain the habit. I don't recall the exact words.
05:11 schestowitz; ok, so they've definitely disbanded. What a shame. Like Spice Girls at their heights: https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/01/11/entertainment/kpop/kpop-korea-Lovelyz/20220111133349782.html https://meaww.com/k-pop-lovelyzs-kei-yien-palm-tree-island-yein-sublime-artist-agency
05:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-koreajoongangdaily.joins.com | Former Lovelyz member Yein signs with new agency
05:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-meaww.com | Lovelyz's Kei signs with PalmTree Island, Yein joins Sublime Artist Agency | MEAWW
05:13 schestowitz; disbanded groups, universally, seem like an ego issue
05:14 schestowitz; people not willing to work together anymorea
05:14 schestowitz; and all the solo careers down the drain
05:14 schestowitz; maybe except destiny's child
05:14 schestowitz; dr. dre
05:14 schestowitz; diana ross
05:14 schestowitz; michael jackson
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07:55 Techrights-sec; A second theme implied in the article is the ridicule of those who complain
07:55 Techrights-sec; about 1) m$ level of access to documents, 2) m$ surveillance in general:
07:55 Techrights-sec; https://www.salon.com/2022/01/17/does-lara-think-microsoft-words-clippy-assistant-is-a-real-person-and-woke_partner/
07:55 Techrights-sec; by trotting out stupid people who serve as proxies for m$ strawman arguments
07:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.salon.com | Does Lara Trump think Microsoft Word's Clippy assistant is a real person and "woke"? | Salon.com
07:56 schestowitz-TR; yes, admfubar posted this yesterday
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08:03 schestowitz-TR; generally, articles crafted as obvious clickbait are timewasting
08:03 schestowitz-TR; so I just laugh and move on
08:03 schestowitz-TR; I still need video ideas, though news is slow and meaningful
08:03 schestowitz-TR; things to cover seem too few
08:03 schestowitz-TR; better to produce nothing than fodder
08:05 Techrights-sec; yes timewasting but nonetheless propaganda with a message for the masses
08:05 Techrights-sec; news dropped over the holidays and has not / will not recover, each Christmas
08:05 Techrights-sec; and summer (northern hemisphere) is an excuse for the owners to cut back
08:05 Techrights-sec; further on content.
08:05 schestowitz-TR; i recently asked rianne if she felt the same way and she confirmed
08:05 schestowitz-TR; less news and less meaningful news, no depth
08:06 schestowitz-TR; all that recent linux^H^Hmalware span is now news
08:06 schestowitz-TR; it's microsoft crowdstike promoting its neew product, announced days earlier
08:06 schestowitz-TR; in press releases which googlebombed "Linux"
08:07 Techrights-sec; The lack of substance is an additional problem, but
08:07 Techrights-sec; harder to count. A while back there was a link about the number of people
08:07 Techrights-sec; employed in journalism. It is a small fraction now of what it was 40 years ago
08:07 Techrights-sec; https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/13/u-s-newsroom-employment-has-fallen-26-since-2008/
↺ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/13/u-s-newsroom-employment-has-fallen-26-since-2008/
08:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pewresearch.org | U.S. newsroom employment has fallen 26% since 2008 | Pew Research Center
08:08 Techrights-sec; Google helps m$ pollute the search results, as far as I can tell.
08:12 schestowitz-TR; in the long run, I think, we should try to get ppeople off the web, at least
08:12 schestowitz-TR; partially or part of the time, and build alternatives
08:12 schestowitz-TR; any further time wasted furnishing twitters and CAs and stuff is time wasteed
08:12 schestowitz-TR; the video stuff can of course be served over any protocol
08:12 schestowitz-TR; we already have the pages in multiple formats
08:12 schestowitz-TR; aral balkan and timm b-l wronglly assume they can replace the broken web
08:12 schestowitz-TR; with more js, which is in fact a bit part of the problem (wrt the web)
08:12 schestowitz-TR; I've tried to make it easier to digest stuff also in p2p and in text editor,
08:12 schestowitz-TR; command line, irc, etc.
08:12 schestowitz-TR; irc logs, for example, for those who do not lurk, are now available
08:12 schestowitz-TR; in 4 different formats or 3 with two protocols for the text version
08:15 Techrights-sec; What is and has been needed is a stateful successor protocol to follow HTTP
08:15 Techrights-sec; The core of the abuse comes from the misuse of the web browers as highly
08:15 Techrights-sec; inefficient and severly insecure virtual machines. I suppose that is another of
08:15 Techrights-sec; the reasons why Qt was removed from the field. It was once a way to provide
08:15 Techrights-sec; cross-platform native applications.
08:15 Techrights-sec; javascript is definitely part of the problem. In some ways it causes the problem
08:15 Techrights-sec;
08:15 Techrights-sec; What is and has been needed is a stateful successor protocol to follow HTTP
08:15 Techrights-sec; The core of the abuse comes from the misuse of the web browers as highly
08:15 Techrights-sec; inefficient and severly insecure virtual machines. I suppose that is another of
08:15 Techrights-sec; the reasons why Qt was removed from the field. It was once a way to provide
08:15 Techrights-sec; cross-platform native applications.
08:16 schestowitz-TR; www in 2022 = apache
08:16 schestowitz-TR; gemini in 2022 = nginx
08:16 schestowitz-TR; or alpine versus the rhel- clones, which inc. Debian
08:19 Techrights-sec; nginx sucks too however.
08:19 Techrights-sec; and Debian is not what it once was either. I wonder if Mark Shuttleworth's
08:19 Techrights-sec; act of hiring away many key developers weakened the project enough accidentally
08:19 Techrights-sec; that m$ and other opponents could get in and stir things up with systemd and
08:19 Techrights-sec; other wokery and thus take most of the mindshare /away/ from development and
08:19 Techrights-sec; coding and onto infighting.
08:19 schestowitz-TR; to what extent is the poached canonical staff contribute ';upstream'
08:19 schestowitz-TR; to debian?
08:19 schestowitz-TR; mir, unity etc. aside, I assume many still work on similar components
08:21 Techrights-sec; I don't know, I didn't follow, but some of their arguments did spill over into
08:21 Techrights-sec; the non-technical forums.
08:24 schestowitz-TR; I will think if there is a topic to be coherently explained here
08:24 schestowitz-TR; for now, as you said (and had struck a nerve), the audience
08:24 schestowitz-TR; seems to have shrunk over the decades, I assumedue to
08:24 schestowitz-TR; social control media, apps etc.
08:24 schestowitz-TR; who needs journalism when you have timelines and like buttons?
08:24 schestowitz-TR; and tons of energy is put into partisaan infighting, never or
08:24 schestowitz-TR; rarely involving the core problem, such as the puppetmasters
08:24 schestowitz-TR; of the political calls
08:24 schestowitz-TR; *class
08:25 Techrights-sec; What irks me the most about social control media is the public's collective
08:25 Techrights-sec; inability to see how maniplation through timeline algorithms occurs. A
08:25 Techrights-sec; Yes, FB and the others cause a hell of a lot of infighting. Feuds fuel clicks.
08:25 Techrights-sec; Clicks == product (manipulation); click also == money (power)
08:28 Techrights-sec; side issue, but relevant regardless:
08:28 Techrights-sec; in the years 2016 to roughly 2019 I lost a lopt of time in those "networks"
08:28 Techrights-sec; but the participation peaked in those years, I think
08:28 Techrights-sec; this means that I partl;y neglected articles
08:28 Techrights-sec; prior to that I had covered EPO more
08:28 Techrights-sec; I think around 2019 we put together tons of code to make TR
08:28 Techrights-sec; capable of doing 3000 posts a year, like in 2009 and 2010
08:28 schestowitz-TR; side issue, but relevant regardless:
08:28 schestowitz-TR; in the years 2016 to roughly 2019 I lost a lopt of time in those "networks"
08:28 schestowitz-TR; but the participation peaked in those years, I think
08:28 schestowitz-TR; this means that I partl;y neglected articles
08:28 schestowitz-TR; prior to that I had covered EPO more
08:28 schestowitz-TR; I think around 2019 we put together tons of code to make TR
08:28 schestowitz-TR; capable of doing 3000 posts a year, like in 2009 and 2010
08:29 Techrights-sec; +1
08:29 Techrights-sec; IRC logs still need to be automated, the last bit is WordPress in the way.
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08:32 schestowitz-TR; we need to rethink a bunch of things at a higher level than this
08:32 schestowitz-TR; fact: a lot of geeks think creating a locally-hosted instance of
08:32 schestowitz-TR; mastodom of pleroma or non-fedi thing like diaspora is the way to go
08:32 schestowitz-TR; I do not agreeee
08:32 schestowitz-TR; how long will they be able to maintain these for?
08:32 schestowitz-TR; php versions
08:32 schestowitz-TR; db issues
08:32 schestowitz-TR; all this for one or few accounts
08:32 schestowitz-TR; in schestowitz.com I just keep everything in bland, plain HTML
08:32 schestowitz-TR; much of that site is around 20 years old
08:32 schestowitz-TR; wordpress is still going, but not in the right trajectory
08:32 schestowitz-TR; afaik, there are no potent forks either
08:32 schestowitz-TR; unless you wish to be orphaned within a year or two
08:32 schestowitz-TR; (there were wordpress forks in the past)
08:34 Techrights-sec; Too much maintenance and other overhead in having a mastodon instance.
08:34 Techrights-sec; As mentioned, I figure WP must be jetisoned. The old pages can be static.
08:34 Techrights-sec; The downside is that the old pages cannot then (for all practical purposes)
08:34 Techrights-sec; be updated to link to relevant current pages and topics. However, it would
08:34 Techrights-sec; save a lot of resources to do that. Hugo or jekyll? Not much more is needed
08:34 Techrights-sec; than a templating system. (famous last words)
08:35 Techrights-sec; you can still update them, but a good CMS would be needed
08:35 Techrights-sec; but then, you renew a reliance on another CMS
08:35 schestowitz-TR; you can still update them, but a good CMS would be needed
08:35 schestowitz-TR; but then, you renew a reliance on another CMS
08:35 Techrights-sec; yes relying on another CMS is not so good, relying on a homegrown one might
08:35 Techrights-sec; be even worse...
08:36 schestowitz-TR; in gemini we already saw how an OS upgrade 'broke' the logging daemon (yes, I can run it interactively from the CLI)
08:39 schestowitz-TR; but at least we are crafting and then sharing things in an area
08:39 schestowitz-TR; where code is mostly absent (for now) for a lot of task
08:39 schestowitz-TR; contrast to the web, where like a thousand frameworks exist ofor the same
08:39 schestowitz-TR; tak and you hardlky even know the names of the vast majority of these
08:39 Techrights-sec; ack
08:42 schestowitz-TR; let me throw an idea out there
08:42 schestowitz-TR; provided we wait a little longer
08:42 schestowitz-TR; we can make gemini primary, using a hand-crafted gateway
08:42 schestowitz-TR; and then have a "legacy" html version with images and attachments and all
08:42 schestowitz-TR; both get indexed
08:42 schestowitz-TR; legacy as in static, archived
08:43 schestowitz-TR; > in gemini we already saw how an OS upgrade 'broke' the logging daemon (yes, I c
08:43 schestowitz-TR; an run it interactively from the CLI)
08:43 schestowitz-TR; iow, ad hoc things done today might not work smoothly tomorrow
08:43 schestowitz-TR; but at least we are crafting and then sharing things in an area
08:43 schestowitz-TR; where code is mostly absent (for now) for a lot of task
08:43 schestowitz-TR; contrast to the web, where like a thousand frameworks exist ofor the same
08:43 schestowitz-TR; tak and you hardlky even know the names of the vast majority of these
08:44 Techrights-sec; ack
08:44 Techrights-sec; The images are not so hard to collect but the videos are very large.
08:53 schestowitz-TR; if only i knew more about youtube, i'd know how to coinvince people to get
08:54 schestowitz-TR; off it
08:54 schestowitz-TR; for now, I can better explain social control media like twitter
08:54 schestowitz-TR; (not fb)
08:54 schestowitz-TR; and why the web sucks and needs to be replaced
08:57 Techrights-sec; the web was very briefly approaching improvement with XHTML4 and CSS2
08:57 Techrights-sec; then javasript and the rest happened.
08:57 schestowitz-TR; you 'left out' xml/rss/atom
08:57 schestowitz-TR; also, to e, all those js "frameworks" are the new activescript
08:57 schestowitz-TR; and eme is like "protected content" in Trash
08:57 schestowitz-TR; because w3c must adapt to suit hollywood
08:57 schestowitz-TR; not the other way around
09:01 schestowitz-TR; btw, some pro-patent sites have been perishing
09:01 schestowitz-TR; they think they need a site overhaul
09:01 schestowitz-TR; so they invest in changes without first realising what
09:01 schestowitz-TR; the hell is going on
09:01 schestowitz-TR; and why their audience has walked away
09:01 schestowitz-TR; as a topic, patents are again slippijng out of the public vista
09:01 schestowitz-TR; publishers' manguish is sometimes addressing yesterday issues
09:01 schestowitz-TR; like running a site about novell in 2022
09:02 Techrights-sec; Yes, keeping the old link structure is very important, at least for the old
09:02 Techrights-sec; posts. That's doable in several ways.
09:02 Techrights-sec; I'd say part of that is due to the patents being a exacerbating factor in the
09:02 Techrights-sec; SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.
09:02 Techrights-sec; '
09:05 Techrights-sec; It's probably their way of appearing active but with out actually having to
09:05 Techrights-sec; cover anything of substance. They're probably also afraid of the fact that
09:05 Techrights-sec; any topic addressed even superficially is going to tread on Bill's toes.
09:06 schestowitz-TR; IAM changed its logo, still not producing much and there's a paywall. I doubt many pay. They used to raise money from "events".
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09:12 Techrights-sec; They are mostly disinformation there as far as I know.
09:13 schestowitz-TR; yes, btw, today's automated feeds are missing from the combined file
09:27 schestowitz; <li>
09:27 schestowitz; <h5><a href="https://www.dedoimedo.com/life/youtube-dislike-count-how-to-use.html">How to use the new dislike-less Youtube</a></h5>
09:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.dedoimedo.com/life/youtube-dislike-count-how-to-use.html">How )
09:27 schestowitz; <blockquote>
09:27 schestowitz; <p>You must have heard. There is a new episode of Internet drama! Youtube has decided to remove the Dislike counter from under the video playback frame. This means that people, at a glance, do not have a way of knowing how many dislikes a particular video has received in its lifetime, and more importantly, the like-to-dislike ratio, which is commonly used to quickly estimate the "quality" of video clips. Seems like we
09:27 schestowitz; have a problem. But wait.</p></blockquote></li>
09:32 Techrights-sec; I'll check the automated feeds...
09:32 Techrights-sec; ok, it was missing a module, I've re-uploaded. Thanks for spotting that.
09:32 Techrights-sec; I'll add in an error check now.
09:33 schestowitz-TR; thanks, will refetch when done with current version, then will remove munually curated and "other"
09:45 Techrights-sec; The error check will be a challenge since
09:45 Techrights-sec; the automated links are gathered in parallel.
09:45 Techrights-sec; Worked out a trick that functions in POSIX shell.
09:51 Techrights-sec; wait has to have the PIDs of
09:51 Techrights-sec; the background processes in order to return the overall succes or failure.
09:51 Techrights-sec; In POSIX an array can't be used but a string built up of the PIDs works.
09:51 Techrights-sec; Not quite. Still working.
09:54 schestowitz-TR; OK, no hurry. Assuming other links and the manual (top) part have not been extended since the first/initial upload, I can disregard these when retrieving the latest upload
09:54 Techrights-sec; Correct
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10:03 Techrights-sec; Ok patched now.
10:05 schestowitz-TR; lately I have managed to do 3 batches of Daily Links per say,
10:05 schestowitz-TR; maybe to sort of make up for the lack of stories I can produce
10:05 schestowitz-TR; not only due to the time spent on the pi
10:21 *spazzz is now known as spazz
10:37 Techrights-sec; ack
10:37 Techrights-sec; Michael Giest's feed seems to have disappeared
10:37 Techrights-sec; ^Geist
10:37 schestowitz-TR; so he JoinedTheClub(R)
10:38 schestowitz-TR; the rely-on-some-selfish-company-to-know-what-i-say club
10:38 Techrights-sec; also his lastest post on his actual web site is from mid December
10:38 Techrights-sec; I'll comment out his feed for now.
10:39 schestowitz-TR; a bit less important, but... back around 2009 he was a superstar in his area of practice/law, and was often invited as an expert internationally
10:39 schestowitz-TR; even billBC would give him space
10:39 schestowitz-TR; other papers too
10:39 schestowitz-TR; then he sort of vanished, almost..
10:40 schestowitz-TR; when I got back to his site I found little remnants of what used to be
10:40 schestowitz-TR; there are some EU politicians who msimilarly vanished
10:40 schestowitz-TR; techdirt used to be super-active in this area
10:40 schestowitz-TR; but techdirt changed focus and topics a great deal
10:40 schestowitz-TR; sometimes it's like salon.com
10:42 schestowitz; https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA134-HB-441
10:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.legislature.ohio.gov | House Bill 441 | The Ohio Legislature
10:42 schestowitz; "We cant connect to the server at www.legislature.ohio.gov."
10:43 schestowitz-TR; the server can access it, I cannot
10:44 Techrights-sec; I probably should check techdirt from time to time again.
10:44 Techrights-sec; blocked in the UK? What about a proxy?
10:45 Techrights-sec; blocked in the UK? What about a proxy?
10:45 Techrights-sec; UK is not EU :P Seriously though it is likely blocked for Europe
10:45 schestowitz-TR; maybe not mblocked IN the UK
10:45 schestowitz-TR; maybe they block EU
10:47 Techrights-sec; I'm getting a DNS error via the normal route.
10:49 schestowitz-TR; so my guess is,
10:49 schestowitz-TR; some American DNS servers have an entry for the subsite
10:49 schestowitz-TR; whereas some of the European ones lack it
10:49 schestowitz-TR; but that does not make sense
10:49 schestowitz-TR; DNS does not propagandta like this
10:49 schestowitz-TR; unless you are somewhere like Iran
10:49 schestowitz-TR; *propagate
10:52 Techrights-sec; The net is being balkanized on purpose. The Internet is too dangerous for the
10:52 Techrights-sec; world's oligarchies. Notice also the trend not to name The Internet any more
10:52 Techrights-sec; by many, but instead refer to the internet, which is a subset or even unrelated
10:52 Techrights-sec; to The Internet.
10:52 schestowitz-TR; ack
10:53 schestowitz-TR; on another topic, raspi based on debian 11 does not let me disable screen dim-down (blink they call it iirc) without a reboot. why? is this windows?
10:53 Techrights-sec; GMail doesn't even communicate properly (or at all) with all other mail providers
10:54 Techrights-sec; gmail sounds like email
10:54 Techrights-sec; i should refer to it as gulagmail
10:54 schestowitz-TR; gmail sounds like email
10:54 schestowitz-TR; i should refer to it as gulagmail
10:54 schestowitz-TR; inside the gulag, you msy or may not receive your mail. The ward decides...
10:58 Techrights-sec; yep, and they seem to be working to cut out other providers in the process
10:58 schestowitz-TR; the latest of many (that I saw) to moan about it was Sandler of SFC
10:59 schestowitz-TR; for over 10 years bellsouth has blocked my mail relay
10:59 schestowitz-TR; no idea why
10:59 schestowitz-TR; it's the on;y such domain that I know of
10:59 schestowitz-TR; this caused me a lot of problems; lost mail, offended relatives in FL
11:01 Techrights-sec; I'm starting to notice with various communications. It is not consistent
11:01 Techrights-sec; across the service but varies from account to account on both ends.
11:18 schestowitz-TR; i still lack topic ideas for articles/videos
11:18 schestowitz-TR; :(
11:23 Techrights-sec; thinking
11:23 Techrights-sec; more generally, the above problem of balkanization is caused and enabled by a
11:23 Techrights-sec; the current move away from open standards. I bet a case could be made for each
11:23 Techrights-sec; of the large tech companies that they have each been trying EEE in different
11:23 Techrights-sec; markets, the ones where they may be large enough to capture the whole thing.
11:23 Techrights-sec; Amazon is very non-standard, as are the other "cloud" providers. It's hard
11:23 Techrights-sec; to call them hosting providers since they have so many proprietary hoops to
11:23 Techrights-sec; jump through just to get at a shell prompt.
11:24 schestowitz-TR; amazon is censorship of vendors
11:24 schestowitz-TR; along with ebay etc.
11:24 schestowitz-TR; the lawyers prefer it that way
11:24 schestowitz-TR; for the "brand owners"
11:25 schestowitz-TR; rant: with some exceptipons such as cory d, eff increasingly sounds
11:25 schestowitz-TR; like microsoft apologist if not mircrosoft itserlf
11:26 schestowitz-TR; they even use the same terms now
11:27 schestowitz; https://thenewstack.io/roasting-the-consumer-electronics-shows-worst-products/
11:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thenewstack.io | Roasting the Consumer Electronics Shows Worst Products The New Stack
11:28 schestowitz-TR; zoom
11:28 Techrights-sec; Yes, the EFF has been that way for a while. I wonder if Cory can have any
11:28 Techrights-sec; effect there. I'm not sure how the m$ apologists got in but they're there
11:28 Techrights-sec; spouting all the m$ talking points. e.g. "Meet people where they are" rather
11:28 Techrights-sec; than steering the public to potentially more secure options than m$
11:33 schestowitz-TR; eff in a nutshell:
11:33 schestowitz-TR; geek: i always get upset about computing getting all hostile
11:33 schestowitz-TR; management: yes, it always upsets me when the apple store [something something]
11:33 schestowitz-TR; also eff:
11:33 schestowitz-TR; activist: the plutocrats are trying to silence journaliusts
11:33 schestowitz-TR; eff plants: yes, putin mouthpiece assange needs to be gagged
11:33 Techrights-sec; ack
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11:39 Techrights-sec; I hope Cory is not just a token freedom proponent for the microsofters to
11:39 Techrights-sec; hide behind
11:39 schestowitz-TR; you hope, but you've just dubbed what he is to them, like others before him
11:39 schestowitz-TR; Guardian has many "tokens"
11:39 Techrights-sec; Yes I've noticed
11:42 schestowitz-TR; afaik, vera, daniel, alex and another patent person whose name I forgot
11:42 schestowitz-TR; were gone the moment mark cuban was not paying fsf
11:42 schestowitz-TR; to advvance his agenda against "bad patents"
11:42 schestowitz-TR; some moved to a think called "engine'
11:42 schestowitz-TR; some were in ppatentprogress (CCIA)
11:42 schestowitz-TR; which feels defunct
11:42 schestowitz-TR; r streee institute (paul iirc) was scooped into something else
11:42 schestowitz-TR; so when looking at my rss feeds there is little left bby
11:42 schestowitz-TR; spam from law firms percolating via the parent company
11:42 schestowitz-TR; of IAM
11:42 schestowitz-TR; *I meant eff, not fsf
11:43 Techrights-sec; Yes 'bad' patents are a distraction
11:43 Techrights-sec; apropos standards and breaking open standards:
11:43 Techrights-sec; https://social.chinwag.org/@mike/107651459435080448
11:43 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-social.chinwag.org | Mike, First of His Name: "I've been dreading this moment. https://www.andr" - Chinwag Social
11:47 Techrights-sec; ack
11:53 Techrights-sec; farming the populace's "emitted behaviors"
11:54 schestowitz-TR; no need to even directly 'monetise' it when the US gov takes 10 trillion in loans in 3 years and pumps it into the bank accounts of (mostly) the rich
11:54 schestowitz-TR; I checked again the latest numbers this morning
11:54 schestowitz-TR; bankrupting the nation like the Soviet Army
12:02 Techrights-sec; ack
12:03 schestowitz-TR; tesla: we make almost a profit (same for Uber), the media is on our side (greenwashing), we have tons of competition from "old" car companies (they do evolve), but we are worth [sum] and based on this speculative value our NON-founder (faker) is worth [sum], so celebrate, peasants!
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14:58 schestowitz-TR; got one topic: zdnet
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15:16 Techrights-sec; what aspect of zdnet
15:16 schestowitz-TR; its demise
15:16 schestowitz-TR; albeit the same can be said of many sites
15:16 Techrights-sec; ack
15:17 schestowitz-TR; i will shill gemini as an alt
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18:53 schestowitz; https://www.fosslife.org/mimic-other-desktops-zorin-os
18:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fosslife.org | Mimic Other Desktops with Zorin OS
18:53 schestowitz; "
18:53 schestowitz; The Zorin OS Appearance tool lets you mimic the desktop layout of proprietary operating systems, says Bruce Byfield, which can be appealing for various reasons including helping newcomers become familiar with Linux.
18:53 schestowitz; Some distros offer desktop environments that imitate proprietary ones, but Zorin OS offers several desktop layouts that resemble those from proprietary systems as well as mobile touchscreens.
18:53 schestowitz; "
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21:34 schestowitz-TR; for the first time since 2 winters ago we reopened the coffee machine
21:34 schestowitz-TR; it takes a while to brew, but it feels more rewarding
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