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beginning of new day, December 19

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7 AM, December 19

07:47 techrightssec2; ack

07:48 schestowitz-TR; "This website is becoming increasingly polluted by MS. I come here to read about Linux and Free Software!" http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36810/

↺ http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36810/

07:48 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LXer: MS Pollution: Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Microsoft Planner

07:48 techrightssec2; ack

07:49 schestowitz-TR; thankfully TM never did this

07:49 schestowitz-TR; susan did not, either

07:49 schestowitz-TR; nor does marius

07:49 schestowitz-TR; he's a "no bullshit" writer

07:58 techrightssec2; ack

07:58 techrightssec2; That is /very/ important.

07:59 schestowitz-TR; he also started saying gnu/linux some years ago

07:59 schestowitz-TR; I think it's my fault

07:59 schestowitz-TR; in fact, this year I see more people adding "gnu"

07:59 schestowitz-TR; and that's a big deal

07:59 schestowitz-TR; as the brand linux now means microsoft and maps and all sorts of crapo

07:59 schestowitz-TR; *crap


8 AM, December 19

08:04 techrightssec2; Well, GNU/Linux does contrast with Systemd/Linux :/

08:04 schestowitz-TR; i hope some people can 'take' from the current 'series' some lessons that they find applicable to their

08:04 schestowitz-TR; present or past experiences

08:04 schestowitz-TR; I reckon many of these things are almost universl in IT

08:04 schestowitz-TR; so it helps to communicate the patterns

08:05 techrightssec2; That can be an additional reason to consider a part-time, remote job since it

08:05 techrightssec2; would provide contact with a situation where the technology is applied and

08:05 techrightssec2; can serve (accurately or inaccurately) as a base line.

08:08 schestowitz-TR; regarding systemd

08:08 schestowitz-TR; noticed how almost nobody talks about that ior LP@Microsoft anymor

08:08 schestowitz-TR; business a s usual, let the cancer spread to more cells in the system tree

08:08 schestowitz-TR; but anyway, they are fighting the EEE from the inside

08:08 schestowitz-TR; and it seems like any "true" user understands this

08:08 schestowitz-TR; shame lxer is playing along with thew Microsoft Tims of the world

08:08 schestowitz-TR; they alienate their own audiences

08:08 schestowitz-TR; a day ago we were at the front page there

08:08 schestowitz-TR; I did not even notice

08:08 schestowitz-TR; very little traffic in relative terms

08:08 schestowitz-TR; apachetop says 15 ml hits since it was started less than 50 days ago

08:08 schestowitz-TR; 7 TB

08:09 techrightssec2; Yes, many see LP now officially on M$ payroll and realize what he had been doing

08:09 techrightssec2; all along but are still subdued about saying anything.

08:09 techrightssec2; I would guess that alienating those specific audiences is one of the goals of M$

08:09 techrightssec2; Remember "killed two Mac conferences by injecting Windows into it" (paraphrased)

08:11 schestowitz-TR; after 12 years with firsthand experience almost every day I can take a little break

08:11 schestowitz-TR; I think there's lots of important stuff to write about technology

08:11 schestowitz-TR; and there is no urgency for income, we're not broke like Sirius

08:11 schestowitz-TR; they could finish things amicable, but the brain works like crodile

08:11 schestowitz-TR; with fake tears

08:11 schestowitz-TR; royally fucked it up

08:11 schestowitz-TR; and they KNOW it

08:11 schestowitz-TR; i had no intention of writing anything

08:13 techrightssec2; ack

08:13 techrightssec2; The more M$ crap is injected into FOSS sites, the faster those sites lose their

08:13 techrightssec2; audiences and thus their raison d'tre and from that their funding.

08:13 schestowitz-TR; yes, not just sites

08:13 schestowitz-TR; also companies

08:14 schestowitz-TR; there are companies that used to be FOSS

08:14 schestowitz-TR; then came along microsoft

08:14 schestowitz-TR; docker comes to mind as one

08:14 schestowitz-TR; csn you imsgine voolunteers with gps going out there to map for OSM now?

08:14 schestowitz-TR; who would they be working for? Jeff bezos and Bill Gates? See the Lunduke article too

08:16 techrightssec2; Checking

08:16 techrightssec2; I recall that M$ sued TomTom because the latter had failed to see the value

08:16 techrightssec2; in EXT2 or XFS.

08:16 techrightssec2; "the founder (FOSS guy) was ousted"

08:16 techrightssec2; a common occurance

08:16 techrightssec2; ^ topic ?

08:17 schestowitz-TR; docker got more or less superceded

08:17 schestowitz-TR; the founder (FOSS guy) was ousted

08:17 schestowitz-TR; and they put a total jerk in charge

08:17 schestowitz-TR; taking the company to the cleaners

08:17 schestowitz-TR; and more proprietary

08:18 schestowitz-TR; I spoke to the founder in twitter

08:18 schestowitz-TR; where he was still trying to defend the company pushing as proprietary 'surplus'

08:18 schestowitz-TR; he meant well

08:18 schestowitz-TR; but his ownerrs ($) controlled him

08:18 schestowitz-TR; like the rust companies control Torvalds

08:20 schestowitz-TR; bottom line: if you let in the money (e.g. VC, "patrons", "sponsors") those with the money will call the shots

08:20 schestowitz-TR; you yourself might be rendered a mascot

08:20 schestowitz-TR; as a person of senimental worth

08:20 schestowitz-TR; sometimes staying "Smaller" means lasting longer

08:20 schestowitz-TR; greedy people want big returns, FAST

08:20 schestowitz-TR; and they are sociopaths

08:20 schestowitz-TR; they don't care who did all the work, who started the thing erc.

08:20 schestowitz-TR; *etc.

08:20 schestowitz-TR; see bakkt+zemlin

08:20 schestowitz-TR; or, for that matter, James Zemlin

08:35 techrightssec2; Zemlin works against LF and Linux despite is position. Really his situation

08:35 techrightssec2; renders him ineligible to even work there in any capacity, but he or someone

08:35 techrightssec2; like him is what m$ wants so they can destroy it from the inside as well as

08:35 techrightssec2; the outside

08:38 schestowitz-TR; afaik, osdl's cohen was the same

08:38 schestowitz-TR; but they kissed him goodbye and left

08:38 schestowitz-TR; after he had shilled microsoft office

08:38 schestowitz-TR; endorsed the microsoft-novell patent collusion

08:38 schestowitz-TR; and even went to visit redmond

08:38 schestowitz-TR; I can find the refs for that

08:41 techrightssec2; References for that would be good to revisit in the context of current day's

08:41 techrightssec2; LF and Zemlin's antics and Zemlin's conflicts of interest.

08:46 schestowitz-TR; you know, I could never get to the bottom of where cohen is today

08:46 schestowitz-TR; iirc, he formed some conultancy calles CIS or similar

08:46 schestowitz-TR; and the media did puff pieces for it

08:46 schestowitz-TR; it went nowhere

08:46 schestowitz-TR; and after that he's totally off the radar unless career//name changed

08:46 schestowitz-TR; soirt of like the guy who "invented" ODF

08:46 schestowitz-TR; still has a twitter account though

08:46 schestowitz-TR; durusau

08:47 techrightssec2; Probably in Redmond

08:47 techrightssec2; Yes it would be very, very interesting to find out what M$ did to Durusau to

08:47 techrightssec2; break him.

08:47 techrightssec2; He's probably under several NDAs about that himself.

08:48 schestowitz-TR; it foes not look like he swins in money

08:49 schestowitz-TR; *does not

08:49 schestowitz-TR; based on his online presence

08:49 schestowitz-TR; but he fell to obscurity

08:49 schestowitz-TR; like bbyfield, mgj, and countles other useful idiots, as the Soviets called them

08:49 schestowitz-TR; christine hall also vanished

08:50 techrightssec2; Only after she too was crushed

08:52 schestowitz-TR; in what sense? did I miss some online event?

08:52 schestowitz-TR; though credibility had been lost for years

08:52 schestowitz-TR; on a number of moral grounds

08:52 schestowitz-TR; and "force" became "corporate power"

08:53 techrightssec2; Didn't she soften on M$ before fading away?

08:53 techrightssec2; Also health issues stopped Ken Starks, after an otherwise good run:

08:53 techrightssec2; https://fossforce.com/2021/11/ken-starks-hangs-up-his-spurs-at-reglue/

↺ https://fossforce.com/2021/11/ken-starks-hangs-up-his-spurs-at-reglue/

08:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | Ken Starks Hangs Up His Spurs at Reglue - FOSS Force


9 AM, December 19

09:21 techrightssec2; "Fediverse encourages status games by enabling such moves."

09:21 techrightssec2; gemini.circumlunar.space/users/shufei/phlog/20221217-Misc-Tech-AisAndMen.gmi

09:21 techrightssec2; Quite a rambling post though

09:21 techrightssec2;


11 AM, December 19

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11:25 techrightssec2;

11:25 techrightssec2; This site will be redone any week now: https://switchedtolinux.com/

↺ https://switchedtolinux.com/

11:25 techrightssec2; and will be, at least initially, soliciting articles. A general-audience

11:25 techrightssec2; introductory primer to software patent and the current political state

11:25 techrightssec2; might have a lot of impact there in reaching many people who might not

11:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-switchedtolinux.com | Switched To Linux | Why I switched to Linux OS

11:25 techrightssec2; necessarily find their way to TR

11:27 schestowitz-TR; I never spoke to him before, but he gets many links from both TM and TR

11:27 schestowitz-TR; our articles are CC or similar

11:27 schestowitz-TR; so he can 'lift' any of them with attribution

11:27 schestowitz-TR; maybe you want to reach out to him?

11:27 schestowitz-TR; The foregone conclusion is, if you don't have your own site and/or domain name,

11:27 schestowitz-TR; somebody else bosses you

11:32 schestowitz-TR; temps jumped about 15 degrees in just 24 hours

11:32 schestowitz-TR; need to do some repair tomorrow, not huge a job

11:32 schestowitz-TR; but productivity will increase


noon, December 19

12:01 techrightssec2; It'd be more a matter of writing such an article and seeing abouut possibly

12:01 techrightssec2; cross-posting

12:02 schestowitz-TR; yes, somebody wants to do that with TR soon

12:13 schestowitz-TR; the www is changing

12:13 schestowitz-TR; 1980s: write books, get them into libraries/unis

12:13 schestowitz-TR; later: write web pages

12:13 schestowitz-TR; now: social media crap

12:13 schestowitz-TR; but that too is ending

12:13 schestowitz-TR; at each step the quality goes down

12:13 schestowitz-TR; as the access barrier is lower

12:13 schestowitz-TR; which means crap like disinfo geats through by the truckloads

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12:25 techrightssec2; One of the main purposes of social control media has been the dissemination of

12:25 techrightssec2; disinformation and confusion., unfortunately, and it has been that way from its

12:25 techrightssec2; first begining. Surveillance is just a distraction and only a prerequisite for

12:25 techrightssec2; the disinformation.

12:26 schestowitz-TR; are you sure that is not just a side effect?

12:26 schestowitz-TR; and centralisation the main objective?

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12:58 techrightssec2; Maybe at the very, very beginning it was not so, but the ability to maniuplate

12:58 techrightssec2; opinions at scale became very noticable. Either way, it's about control and

12:58 techrightssec2; centralization is a primary method for achieving that.

12:59 schestowitz-TR; Moving on from Twitter https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/12/moving-on-from-twitter/ "Mastodon links are still completely blocked though. For now, I will still be pointing you to follow us in other places."

↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/12/moving-on-from-twitter/

12:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Moving on from Twitter | GamingOnLinux


1 PM, December 19

13:00 schestowitz-TR; TR was a little ahead of the curve ;-)

13:00 schestowitz-TR; never started

13:00 schestowitz-TR; myself - I left in February-ish

13:00 schestowitz-TR; my "write-only" account

13:00 schestowitz-TR; before there was a rush to the door ;-)

13:06 techrightssec2; :)

13:06 techrightssec2; Good timing for that.

13:07 schestowitz-TR; we wrote many things about why people should quit twitter

13:07 schestowitz-TR; even before musk placed a big

13:07 schestowitz-TR; not just after

13:07 schestowitz-TR; so those aged well

13:07 schestowitz-TR; /s/big/bid/

13:13 techrightssec2; Software patents are threat to general software usage, but the FOSS community

13:13 techrightssec2; is the canary in the coal mine so to speak since many are more aware of

13:13 techrightssec2; licensing than joe sixpack or his tiktok-numbed kids.

13:17 schestowitz-TR; posting text from your text editor into someone else's server/computer = clown computing

13:17 schestowitz-TR; there are ways to keep the local copies, just in case

13:17 schestowitz-TR; imho, there are better ways

13:17 schestowitz-TR; wikis might be ok is there is a circle of reputable people

13:17 schestowitz-TR; without an incentive to sabotage and mislead

13:17 schestowitz-TR; irc is also for a clique of people are are not there for a fight

13:17 schestowitz-TR; daemonfc treats it like a diary spacem unfotunately

13:19 techrightssec2; Wikis fall victim to a similar problem as youtube, at least on the technical

13:19 techrightssec2; site of things: for each item there are ever-growing layers of storage needs

13:19 techrightssec2; since all the diffs are retained.

13:33 schestowitz-TR; wiki cahnges can be easily compressible

13:33 schestowitz-TR; one lessons learned last year from freenode and again this year from twitter

13:33 schestowitz-TR; banning people is just the start

13:33 schestowitz-TR; it might feel good at first

13:33 schestowitz-TR; having no blog posts reduces the change of heckling

13:33 schestowitz-TR; or astroturfting by "elizabeth from microsoft"

13:33 schestowitz-TR; sorry, I mean, having no blog comments

13:33 schestowitz-TR; -------------------------------------

13:36 techrightssec2; ack

13:42 schestowitz-TR; sorry to be going on a tangent (sometimes I want to also type thing but worry it would exceed the

13:42 schestowitz-TR; buffer that you can see, but then it's likely nothing urgent or important)

13:42 schestowitz-TR; when it comes to time management, you could classify social control media as "big phat waste of time"

13:42 schestowitz-TR; but it's hard to see at the time

13:42 schestowitz-TR; it's like game addition

13:42 schestowitz-TR; you feel a sense of temporary accomplishment

13:42 schestowitz-TR; but only in hindsight, in retrospect, you realise some games you played in teh 90s were meaningless

13:42 schestowitz-TR; and the grade you got in subjectx x y and z in first, second, even 6th grade don't matter even 0.001%

13:42 schestowitz-TR; to your adult life

13:42 schestowitz-TR; so when it comes to comments, it's somewhere there near social control medioa

13:42 techrightssec2; ack

13:42 schestowitz-TR; because comments you types in digg 15 years ago are gone for good

13:42 schestowitz-TR; nobody ever will go to wayback machine to find them

13:43 schestowitz-TR; and some blog comments in old blogs are likely only on some old hard drive of the person who took it offline

13:43 schestowitz-TR; (if at all)

13:43 schestowitz-TR; same for identi.ca

13:43 schestowitz-TR; all gone

13:43 schestowitz-TR; so then you start to value libraries and books

13:43 schestowitz-TR; but they too are going away, kaka "digitised"

13:43 schestowitz-TR; i.e. reduce to some electric charge on some low-grade, cheaply-made semi conductors/magnets

13:43 schestowitz-TR; now they last even shorter times... not magnetic tapes

13:43 schestowitz-TR; optical (CD-ROM) isn't so bad in comparison, with CRC built in

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13:53 techrightssec2; CD-RW and CD+RW can last some years but only in good storage conditions.

13:53 techrightssec2; Light, heat, and air pollution all shorten the life span significantly.

13:54 schestowitz-TR; I have never tested that systematically

13:57 schestowitz-TR; i have a very different approach


2 PM, December 19

14:01 schestowitz-TR; every 10 or so years whole directories of stuff can be "archived" away into multiple drives

14:02 schestowitz-TR; i still have it in my todo to check some old mp3 file that I suspect went bad on only one of the drives

14:14 techrightssec2; Only if the drives themselves do not flip any bits and that gets *much* harder

14:14 techrightssec2; to avoid with the high densities we have on the market nowadays.

14:26 techrightssec2; Maybe BtrFS has that capability too, not just OpenZFS, but I got the idea

14:26 techrightssec2; somehow that BtrFS is not quite production ready and safe enough for

14:26 techrightssec2; preservation.

14:27 schestowitz-TR; largew and complex file systems might not enjoy adoption

14:27 schestowitz-TR; by users

14:27 schestowitz-TR; and by developers

14:27 schestowitz-TR; so 10 or 20 years down the line support might drop

14:27 schestowitz-TR; like with reiserfs after about 15 years

14:35 techrightssec2; The OpenZFS is quite well though of but an employee at Sun made a point of

14:35 techrightssec2; putting it under a license which she chose for the sole purpose of being

14:35 techrightssec2; incompatible with the GPL. It has gotten wide spread adoption by the FreeBSD

14:35 techrightssec2; crowd simply because they choose to ignore licenses and pretend they don't exist

14:35 techrightssec2; just like Canonical does when it decided to work with OpenZFS. Most if not

14:35 techrightssec2; all of it has gone under at least one full refactoring so it could have been

14:35 techrightssec2; re-licensed ship-of-theseus-style. But the developers, as amazingly technically

14:35 techrightssec2; proficient as they are, just roll over and accept a dreadful license. Then

14:35 techrightssec2; the distros and systems using OpenZFS simply, in turn, also turn a blind eye to

14:35 techrightssec2; the licensing and the blockage it creates.

14:42 schestowitz-TR; in SN, the number of people who contribute seems to be decreasing

14:42 schestowitz-TR; reversing this trend can be very difficult

14:42 schestowitz-TR; judging by other site

14:42 schestowitz-TR; then the wind is not in the sails

14:42 schestowitz-TR; and key people might "move on"

14:42 schestowitz-TR; in lxer, they also shot their own foot with microsoft "content"

14:42 schestowitz-TR; phoronix may be next

14:42 schestowitz-TR; almost all comments oppose this

14:42 schestowitz-TR; and systemd

14:42 schestowitz-TR; michael shoudl take a clue

14:42 schestowitz-TR; microsoft trolls are not legit POVs

14:42 schestowitz-TR; they are like black people who complain about words that I never saw anyone black complaining about

14:42 schestowitz-TR; (i'm sure some exist, maybe a fringe)

14:42 schestowitz-TR; likely corporations tryigng to rile people up and cause strife

14:42 schestowitz-TR; russia trolls in twitter did in fact do this

14:42 schestowitz-TR; they take divisive issues and then amplify the most extreme POVs

14:42 schestowitz-TR; for infighting

14:43 techrightssec2; Astroturfers and paid shills can do a lot of damage simply because they are

14:43 techrightssec2; not on the radar for too many people. In some forums, they make up 90% of the

14:43 techrightssec2; comments, when the comments are sourced. :(

14:43 techrightssec2; Yes, that is a play right out of the playbook: amplify division and extreme

14:43 techrightssec2; view. It happens in all forums that I have seen, and seems to be the main

14:43 techrightssec2; activity of social control media because rage feeds 'engagement' and thus

14:43 techrightssec2; the shills end up getting full backing by the algorithm designers/tuners.

14:44 schestowitz-TR; it is grossing out people

14:44 schestowitz-TR; until some choose not to come back anymore

14:45 techrightssec2; Yes, grossingthem out is the goal.

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14:55 schestowitz-TR; "Back in 1981, when Ronald Reagan was sworn in and implicitly promised to destroy our government" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/12/18/dying-phase-reaganism-and-its-hideous | Source: Common Dreams

↺ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/12/18/dying-phase-reaganism-and-its-hideous

14:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | This Is the Dying Phase of Reaganismand It's Hideous | Thom Hartmann


3 PM, December 19

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15:26 techrightssec2; ack

15:26 techrightssec2; https://showmethefacts.com/us-federal-debt-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-2012/

↺ https://showmethefacts.com/us-federal-debt-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-2012/

15:26 techrightssec2; Grover Nordquist even had other politicians sign their names to a list

15:26 techrightssec2; backing sedition and openly stating the goal of tearing the country down.

15:26 techrightssec2; It went unprosecuted.

15:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-showmethefacts.com | US Federal Debt as a Percentage of GDP 2012


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