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00:55 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC has pinned down a number of affected MSFT divisions
00:55 DaemonFC; I was happy to see Microsoft Edge on there.
00:55 DaemonFC; They're still gutting it and this is the second batch of firings of CHROMIUM EDGE.
00:55 DaemonFC; They already fired about 90% of their Web browser division when they got rid of IE and EdgeHTML as "supported browsers".
00:56 DaemonFC; It's important to mention that Chromium Edge was already a skeleton crew compared to IE or EdgeHTML Edge.
00:56 DaemonFC; And now they're laying into these people pretty hard.
00:56 schestowitz-TR; must have been a very small team
00:56 schestowitz-TR; maybe 100
00:56 schestowitz-TR; out of 11,000?
00:57 DaemonFC; They're not making enough money on Edge to justify employing people except to keep it working.
00:57 schestowitz-TR; so I want to see where the 1000s are
00:57 DaemonFC; You figure they'll cut the "Linux" version soon?
00:57 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: yesterday we tried to find ingo
00:57 DaemonFC; How many people could possibly be using that?
00:57 schestowitz-TR; info
00:57 schestowitz-TR; in this channel
00:57 schestowitz-TR; about which parts of MSFT were affected
00:57 schestowitz-TR; Edge is ALMOST the OS part
00:57 schestowitz-TR; it's "cross platform"
00:57 schestowitz-TR; not because"microsoft loves l;inux
00:58 schestowitz-TR; but because it is chromium
00:58 schestowitz-TR; either way, azure is impacted
00:58 schestowitz-TR; but we need to know more
00:58 schestowitz-TR; it hurts microsoft A LOT when the media says Azure is a fialure
00:58 schestowitz-TR; the shareholders walk away
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01:51 psydruid; It's important to keep emphasising the failure of Azure
01:51 schestowitz-TR; yeah
01:51 schestowitz-TR; part of the attack on linux
01:51 psydruid; as it will cut off their oxygen supply
01:52 schestowitz-TR; we are clown company -\> WE ARE HEY HI company
01:52 schestowitz-TR; they keep shifting
01:52 schestowitz-TR; as the gaming takeover seems blocked
01:52 schestowitz-TR; US and EU
01:52 schestowitz-TR; maybe UK also
01:52 psydruid; they'll have nowhere to go and will essentially have to cannibalise their products and eventually their organisation
01:53 schestowitz-TR; imagine after all those layoffs they say they spent a fortune buying a gaming company
01:53 psydruid; I think in the end the takeover will be blocked
01:53 schestowitz-TR; that might not turn up any profit
01:53 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: precisely
01:53 psydruid; this is going to be an Nvidia/ARM story
01:54 psydruid; although that one made more sense
01:55 psydruid; I think the combined company would have become the top dog within a few years replacing Intel and AMD
01:55 psydruid; the gaming takeover is just for cooking the books
01:59 schestowitz-TR; makes sense
01:59 schestowitz-TR; biab, have deadline (bulletin cutoff)
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04:13 schestowitz; Re: Fwd: You called it
04:13 schestowitz; > Yes, it was even on the local m$ fanboi radio here. I'm wondering what
04:13 schestowitz; > the 1000s of frauds here who have bluffed their way through their
04:13 schestowitz; > careers behind m$ products will do. On one level I do not care, on
04:13 schestowitz; > another level they will cause trouble and have no other skills than
04:13 schestowitz; > causing trouble...
04:19 psydruid; they got their paycheck, so it did pay off for them while it lasted
04:20 psydruid; but they should have invested time into learning the "competitor's" products to last in the field
04:24 schestowitz; > I got the issue, and, although Ralph's associate xxxxxxxxxxxxxx- he's
04:24 schestowitz; > the Corporate Crime Reporter - said back in November that my story was
04:24 schestowitz; > "fascinating" and he wanted to write about it for the January issue, he
04:24 schestowitz; > didn't. Several corporate crime bills were introduced in Congress, and
04:24 schestowitz; > he wrote about them. Of course, they're more important.
04:24 schestowitz; >
04:24 schestowitz; > I sent him an e-mail to maybe get some feedback as to whether he would
04:24 schestowitz; > write about it in the future, and I've not yet gotten a reply.
04:24 schestowitz; >
04:24 schestowitz; > Just yesterday, his website wrote about "corporate capture of the legal
04:24 schestowitz; > system." But, if Microsoft/IBM capture the patent office - which is a
04:24 schestowitz; > legal system - it doesn't matter.
04:24 schestowitz; >
04:24 schestowitz; > The simple fact is that nobody cares about inventors and patents - too
04:24 schestowitz; > complicated and obscure - so they won't write about them. Even if the
04:24 schestowitz; > story relates to a pet issue of Ralph Nader.
04:24 schestowitz; >
04:24 schestowitz; > The Patent Office can be as incompetent and corrupt and malicious as
04:25 schestowitz; > they want, and rip-off inventors with impunity, and nobody will do
04:25 schestowitz; > anything about it.
04:25 schestowitz; >
04:25 schestowitz; > https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/
04:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.corporatecrimereporter.com | Corporate Crime Reporter
04:25 schestowitz; > <https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/>
04:25 schestowitz; I think you're right.
04:25 schestowitz; Having said that, Nader rarely writes about patents.
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10:37 schestowitz-TR; good morning!
10:37 schestowitz-TR; did I miss anything in the buffer?
10:37 techrigthssec; gm
10:37 techrigthssec; probably not
11:00 techrigthssec; The tens of thousands of microsofters unleashed on the market will be posing
11:00 techrigthssec; as skilled IT staff and naive and/or wishful thinkers will go along with
11:00 techrigthssec; that no matter how unfounded that posture is
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11:02 schestowitz-TR; 30,000 laid off 'softers' (see latest post.; more expected to go or proactively go) is a little
11:02 schestowitz-TR; in an ocean of unemployed techs and millions of them who compete for a job
11:02 schestowitz-TR; better this than them staying inside the company
11:02 schestowitz-TR; it was always a concern we had and expressed in irc
11:02 schestowitz-TR; better this than the other
11:02 schestowitz-TR; (still digesting today's good news; won't be "productive" today)
11:23 schestowitz-TR; the coconut cake is delicious and we have 4 more on the way
11:23 schestowitz-TR; we got 5 bags, 1kg each, for 20 pence each
11:23 schestowitz-TR; condensed milk, shredded coco, and butter as main ingredient
11:23 schestowitz-TR; rianne checked in "yewtu.ve"
11:23 schestowitz-TR; tomorrow we'll buy a lot of stuff, also gifts to the lawyer and paralegal
11:26 schestowitz-TR; rianne has gemini running in emacs now (rpi400)
11:26 schestowitz-TR; I think it is sweetened (wayyyyyy toooo sweet) condensed milk
11:26 schestowitz-TR; i will share with her recipes later
11:26 schestowitz-TR; she has collections of them
11:26 schestowitz-TR; we also have recipe books ;-)
11:26 schestowitz-TR; with more spare time = more cooking
11:39 schestowitz-TR; thanks, i will be slow to respond today and not "productive"
11:39 schestowitz-TR; also checking covid rules for flights (ceremony)
11:39 schestowitz-TR; gonna try to chase links+rss feeds as matter of priority
11:39 schestowitz-TR; still very happy to see the situation at MSFT
11:39 psydruid; I see whole conversations about workers' rights after these Microsoft layoffs on Tweakers, whereas I've never seen anything similar for other companies
11:39 psydruid; and some people hoping the fired employees will find work again
11:40 psydruid; I don't understand why everyone is so Microsoft-minded over here
11:41 psydruid; these people need to be retrained and un-brainwashed before they can even hope to enter the job market again
11:44 techrigthssec; M$ is on the edge and could pass a tipping point; remember that historically
11:44 techrigthssec; most of its money has come from monopoly rents in two markets and have lost
11:44 techrigthssec; money everywhere else. There was also that massive loss registered in 1999 or so
11:45 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: could be astroturfing
11:45 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft does lots of it in forums
11:45 schestowitz-TR; and sometimes gets caught
11:45 schestowitz-TR; sometimes the "partners" do this
11:45 psydruid; hundreds of comments of astroturfing
11:46 psydruid; it looks like a way to distract from the fact that it's about Microsoft
11:46 techrigthssec; The "former" microsofters will remain unsuitable for IT for the remainder of
11:46 techrigthssec; their lives and the retraining should focus on work outside of IT where ther
11:46 techrigthssec; is a lower risk of recidivism
11:46 psydruid; "let's generalise and make this about IT workers' rights in general"
11:47 psydruid; I'm wondering if we are indeed at the tipping point
11:48 psydruid; on my resume I have listed minimum knowledge and skills for Microsoft technologies
11:48 psydruid; and yet someone on LinkedIn sent me a message about exactly those
11:49 psydruid; when they could reach out to anyone else who actually has those skills
11:51 psydruid; I only learn Microsoft technologies for legacy purposes in order to migrate systems to GNU/Linux and the web
11:55 techrigthssec; The recidivism is not the only problem. They just have way too manhy fundamental mistakes in their training to h
11:55 techrigthssec; for it to be feasible to retrain them in IT --
11:55 techrigthssec; even if they have the prereqisite mindset. The employment process at m$
11:55 techrigthssec; continuously weeds out people with those prerequistes.
11:57 psydruid; I'm just glad I realised it early and stopped using anything Microsoft in the early 2000s
11:58 techrigthssec; m$ always tries to make things bigger than they are; Windows problems are
11:58 techrigthssec; spun as computer problems; Abuse of their shit bag "employees" is spun as
11:58 techrigthssec; a general IT workers rights problem, even though m$ has nothing to do with
11:58 techrigthssec; actual IT
11:58 psydruid; and I started using PCs in the era where GNU/Linux was becoming viable
11:59 psydruid; yeah, that's what it is
11:59 psydruid; it makes sense now
11:59 psydruid; no wonder the entire topic gets derailed
12:00 schestowitz-TR; going to check some rumour mills in a sec
12:00 schestowitz-TR; to give further insight
12:07 schestowitz-TR; apologies upfront again for slowness, it's chaotic here in terms of train of thought (for good reasons)
12:07 schestowitz-TR; but not much will get done today
12:07 schestowitz-TR; looking for "gossip" re layoffs
12:07 schestowitz-TR; we can get more "scoops"
12:07 schestowitz-TR; need to know more about which divisions, esp. 'azure'
12:07 schestowitz-TR; i don't search that often enough
12:07 schestowitz-TR; but to hurt the company you know more or less what needs discovering
12:08 techrigthssec; my advice...
12:09 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: don't waste time there tbh
12:09 schestowitz-TR; you would be better off spending time in a place not infested with "damage control" goons
12:09 schestowitz-TR; don't dance in their own "platform"
12:09 schestowitz-TR; find your own
12:09 schestowitz-TR; make some noise there
12:10 psydruid; I am not responding, I just read and noticed the tendency
12:10 schestowitz-TR; they can just demoralise and downvote people to oblivion
12:10 schestowitz-TR; making them feel like they said something "wrong"
12:10 schestowitz-TR; it's like going to gab to "fight" nazis
12:10 psydruid; and it seems way off compared to what it should be
12:10 schestowitz-TR; you are outnumbered and outgunned
12:10 schestowitz-TR; aggi cannot even stay in irc long
12:10 schestowitz-TR; because he is "loner"
12:10 psydruid; so I am wondering if it is downplayed in anglophone media too
12:10 schestowitz-TR; and nobody agrees with him
12:10 schestowitz-TR; except crows
12:11 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: people in Microsoft noticed the same
12:11 schestowitz-TR; I quoted one example
12:11 schestowitz-TR; they criticise the media
12:11 schestowitz-TR; some in the forums criticise that
12:11 schestowitz-TR; but someone replies
12:11 schestowitz-TR; it's "paid-for"
12:11 schestowitz-TR; IBM and Microsoft still have a lot of control over media, also online
12:12 schestowitz-TR; and they 'bury' bad news
12:12 schestowitz-TR; same playbook
12:26 techrigthssec; Made progress in processing the tm-gallery archive but finding some deep
12:26 techrigthssec; pages which are not yet harvested. Using the RAM disk for the work saves
12:26 techrigthssec; waiting by about an order of magnitude
12:28 techrigthssec; Now trying to ennumerate the missing URLs
12:30 schestowitz-TR; my dad used some of those distros and versions
12:30 schestowitz-TR; with firefox
12:31 schestowitz-TR; back when tuxmachines was in the firefox bookmark thingie in the toolbar
12:31 schestowitz-TR; in PCLinuxOS
12:31 schestowitz-TR; maybe one day these reference pages will help explain how the platform evolved
12:31 schestowitz-TR; I do not myself do disro reviews as I learned frome xperience it take aLOT
12:31 schestowitz-TR; of work to do PROPERLY
12:31 schestowitz-TR; like using it for weeks, installing a ton of things
12:31 schestowitz-TR; just for one article
12:31 schestowitz-TR; not even counting screenmshots, text, proofreading
12:31 schestowitz-TR; many reviews were done in the past
12:31 schestowitz-TR; when the www brought more traffic
12:31 schestowitz-TR; because "sound bites" of social control media
12:34 techrigthssec; Yes, a proper review takes a lot of time and work. It'd probably take a whole
12:34 techrigthssec; weel for each one, or at least two or three days even if done quickly.
12:35 schestowitz-TR; not enough
12:35 schestowitz-TR; some "pretend" to do review
12:35 schestowitz-TR; checking wallpapers, clicking things
12:35 schestowitz-TR; that's NOT a review
12:35 schestowitz-TR; you need to install many things with the package manager
12:36 schestowitz-TR; I've stopped using Fedora after 14, Moondhine
12:36 schestowitz-TR; some crucial packages were not properly handled
12:36 schestowitz-TR; so I wasted time in the lab
12:36 schestowitz-TR; stuff like gnuplot
12:36 schestowitz-TR; for octave
12:36 techrigthssec; That's not a proper review and does not fool people, or at least it does not
12:36 techrigthssec; fool them for long.
13:44 techrigthssec; ok, I think the gallery archive has all links working and might have all files
13:44 techrigthssec; present. The next step will be to remove unused files and hardlinks from the
13:44 techrigthssec; directory hierarchy
15:03 schestowitz-TR; Welcome to Open Source Watch https://opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com/p/welcome-to-open-source-watch has SJVN quit Microsoft ZDnet yet?
15:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com | Welcome to Open Source Watch | Open Source Watch
15:06 techrigthssec; We'll see what kind of short leash he will be on. What is the source of
15:06 techrigthssec; funding for that site?
15:09 schestowitz-TR; i wodnered the same
15:09 schestowitz-TR; maybe left zdnet
15:09 schestowitz-TR; maybe twitter also
15:09 schestowitz-TR; he joined pluspora after gulag+ collapsed
15:09 schestowitz-TR; then pluspora collapsed too
15:09 schestowitz-TR; his site lacks rss feeds
15:09 schestowitz-TR; I even scanned source for atom, xml, rss, did some url guessing
15:09 schestowitz-TR; nothing!
15:09 schestowitz-TR; unless you have more creative ways to find feeds
15:09 schestowitz-TR; 20 years ago I wrote bash programs to track changes in sites that lacked feeds
15:09 schestowitz-TR; because I loved RSS
15:09 schestowitz-TR; even edge.org was in my list
15:09 schestowitz-TR; before it went to ****
15:09 schestowitz-TR; so far all 5 stories in this new site are mostly ok
15:09 schestowitz-TR; except rust shilling
15:09 techrigthssec; "The newsletter platform built for growth"
15:09 techrigthssec; https://www.beehiiv.com/
15:09 techrigthssec; It's not his own site unless he is really branching out from journalism and\
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15:09 techrigthssec; writing.
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23:32 techrigthssec; gallery:
23:32 techrigthssec; $ find . -type f -print | wc -l
23:32 techrigthssec; 107990
23:32 techrigthssec; $ du -sh .
23:32 techrigthssec; 2.2G .
23:32 techrigthssec; Many of those files are hard links, it is the screen shots which take
23:32 techrigthssec; up the space afaik
23:32 techrigthssec; There are a lot of them, documenting the appearance of various distro
23:32 techrigthssec; components (desktop of course)
23:33 schestowitz-TR; well done, you have killed a lot of technical debt
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