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05:47 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> >>> Did you do something to restore *comments* being shown, or did it fix
05:47 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> >>> itself, as sometimes happens?
05:47 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> >>
05:47 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> >> I did not even access the admin panel :-)>
05:47 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> > Weird, but good! A similar return to the living happened recently.
05:47 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> > My iPhone Voice Mail stopped appearing and an error message said call your
05:47 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> > phone carrier. I did not do that. Two calls to APPLE support, which is
05:48 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> > always excellent, did not help. Three days later it restored itself and I was
05:48 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> > happy to have it back.no questions asked, somewhat like a hostage
05:48 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> > situation where all are released unharmed and the perpetrator surrenders to
05:48 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> > police.
05:48 schestowitz; [05:42] <schestowitz> Sounds like a product was faulty though.
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07:00 schestowitz-TR; did you see the Twitter report against me?
07:00 schestowitz-TR; I think it shows that the idea of not posting in Twitter as means
07:00 schestowitz-TR; or protecting the account is an invalid idea
07:00 schestowitz-TR; people even report tweets from years ago
07:00 schestowitz-TR; like that trans person who two years later complained that I merely
07:00 schestowitz-TR; mentioned a past name
07:00 schestowitz-TR; and then twitter forced me to delete this
07:00 schestowitz-TR; and then had me banned for like a day
07:01 Techrights-sec; gm
07:01 Techrights-sec; more software updates here today
07:01 Techrights-sec; I skimmed the post
07:01 Techrights-sec; yep
07:01 Techrights-sec; twitter uses the trolls as a pretext to enforce an agenda
07:01 Techrights-sec; if you intend to keep the account the bans need to be fought otherwise the
07:01 Techrights-sec; automatic 5-strikes-and-delete will kick in
07:01 Techrights-sec; It's a waste of time of course but that is one of the attackers' goals
07:01 activelow; fought how?
07:04 schestowitz-TR; exactl;y
07:04 schestowitz-TR; no way
07:04 schestowitz-TR; their "appeal" system is just box-ticking exercise
07:04 schestowitz-TR; they don't get back to you
07:04 schestowitz-TR; and there is nobody to speak to
07:04 schestowitz-TR; when fsfe (I think) made an invalid comoplaint
07:04 schestowitz-TR; I responded with a challenge
07:04 schestowitz-TR; nobody responded
07:04 schestowitz-TR; same with the OSI 7-ay ban
07:05 schestowitz-TR; *day
07:05 schestowitz-TR; twitter does not respond
07:05 schestowitz-TR; they help false reporters
07:05 Techrights-sec; FSFE is part of several problems, one is that they play along with twitter
07:05 Techrights-sec; to help enemies of software freedom in general and not just against you or TR
07:14 Techrights-sec; However it is important to document, both within and outside of twitter, and
07:14 Techrights-sec; inform twitter users both of the attacks and of better means of following.
07:14 Techrights-sec; Twitter, like the other social control media fora, is not a service for
07:14 Techrights-sec; communication.
07:14 Techrights-sec; It is very important to hammer that last point home.
07:20 Techrights-sec; There is a lot of wishful thinking and such among social control media users,
07:20 Techrights-sec; mostly denial in the classical addiction context.
07:20 schestowitz-TR; ack\
07:20 schestowitz-TR; trying to rationalise the abuser/abuse
07:20 schestowitz-TR; "bad actors"
07:26 Techrights-sec; that too
07:26 Techrights-sec; xxx
07:26 Techrights-sec; ^wrong paste delete
07:26 Techrights-sec; highlight-middleclick seems to have partially broken :/
07:26 Techrights-sec; anyway, many if not most social control media users are badly addicted
07:26 Techrights-sec; [sychologically and will see past all kinds of problems in order to continue
07:26 Techrights-sec; the addictive behavior:
07:26 Techrights-sec; https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201811/the-role-denial-in-
07:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201811/the-role-denial-in- )
07:27 Techrights-sec; addiction
07:27 Techrights-sec; And, yes, the interfaces are designed for addiction, though the euphemism
07:27 Techrights-sec; "engagement" is often used. It is the polar opposite of usability and
07:27 Techrights-sec; to a certain extent accessibility.
07:27 Techrights-sec; https://www.azureacres.com/addiction/articles/stages-denial/
07:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.azureacres.com | Stages of Denial | Santa Rosa & San Francisco | Azure Acres
07:27 Techrights-sec; most are engaged in self-deception to keep the addictive behavior going
07:29 schestowitz-TR; re "highlight-middleclick seems to have partially broken :/" it is completely broken in librewolf 94 flatpak
07:29 activelow; cannot use any of the services: twitter, facebook, youtube. none of the www browsers i got support those anymore (netsurf, badwolf, lynx, links)
07:29 schestowitz-TR; good
07:29 schestowitz-TR; that's a -plus
07:30 schestowitz-TR; speaking oif which, google plus is dead
07:30 schestowitz-TR; people who "laboured" there lost everything
07:30 schestowitz-TR; even "friends"
07:32 activelow; by coincidence the material i search for and read is not affected: wikipedia (except authoring), the real software development sites
07:32 schestowitz-TR; not a coincidence
07:41 activelow; my complaint, about the social control mass media: they affect my live and the surrounding society, even when i refrain from all of it
07:41 activelow; i have never used any android/ios smartphone, except some ancient blackberry when working for an ISP to receive SMS alerts
07:42 activelow; nonetheless, i am surrounded by a mob which coordinates and agitates on social control media, a software industry which dictates the labor market
07:44 activelow; although i program and hack almost everyday, i am treated as a total misfit on labor "market"
07:46 activelow; the corporations, are dictating "standards" and business habits i fundamentaly disagree with
07:47 activelow; no offense towards "web developers", programmers; however telco engineering is occupied with mathematics, most of it done with pencil and paper
07:48 activelow; imagine this, some computer scientist, who couldn't program with any programming language.
07:49 activelow; i mean, wasted weeks to learn java and object oriented programming, in parallel to all the "trivial" maths during my studies
07:50 activelow; if i had known, 15 years later, i decided to ditch Java entirely, after i wasted some more years with J2EE programming for example
07:51 activelow; and nowadays, i shall explain why "apps" aren't any progress, WASM isn't neither
07:52 activelow; sorry, got some time to spare, tracked down some more gcc-4.7 related compilation errors and wait for another one to finish
07:54 activelow; in germany FSFE seems to be a party politics outlet of german liberals, the FDP, who occupy ministry of education since the last election
07:55 activelow; they arranged for gigantic funding of "digitalization" of education; they wouldn't at least know what it is, "digitalization", which isn't some arbitrary buzzword
07:56 activelow; to push sales of consumer electronics in schools, where this mindset doesn't belong
07:56 Techrights-sec; "people who "laboured" there" == sharecroppers
07:57 activelow; digitalization, by definition is *only* this: signal processing, the _sampling_ (specific type of measurement) of a signal
07:58 activelow; pulse code modulation and sigma-delta modulation are two methods of sampling a signal
07:59 activelow; although, "digitalization" is a term void of any definition too if the analog parts are missed
08:00 activelow; that's why, legacy gear and protocols are exciting, because 56K modems and earlier with their modulation schemes and protocols are documented
09:06 Techrights-sec; https://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/themes/sharecropping/
09:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pbs.org | Sharecropping | Themes | Slavery by Another Name | PBS
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09:32 activelow; ^ "feudalism" (which isn't identical to capitalism); although history books are in error with the description of feudalism too
09:36 activelow; according to theory, in return for feudal privileges, landlords supposedly provided safety and protection (including military force); in reality often farmers were drafted to die on the battlefields themselves instead of the landlords
09:54 activelow; this is one explanation of the anabaptist movement (german peasants war), and their migration to north america: to flee from mandatory military drafts
09:57 activelow; reminds me when i quit, which wasn't directly related, however raised my suspicion further after 1990, the iraq war (year 2004) and involvement of germany and with it Telekom as supplier of military and intelligence
09:58 schestowitz-TR; 1. new version of mumble is out
09:58 schestowitz-TR; 2. I bypassed the oldkey on our instance of it last night to test I can access it
09:58 schestowitz-TR; OK
09:58 schestowitz-TR; 3. afaik, it's a lot safer than landline
09:58 activelow; then, i stumbled upon OpenBSD project, who publicly questioned the involvement of software projects with military and politics
09:59 Techrights-sec; better sound quality that pseudo landlines too.
09:59 schestowitz-TR; activelow: yes
09:59 schestowitz-TR; and it lost darpa funds over it
09:59 schestowitz-TR; theo condemning iraq war
10:52 Techrights-sec; The new cert is in ~gemini/mumble.txt
10:52 Techrights-sec; but if you've logged in then it's already updated in the client
10:53 schestowitz-TR; thanks, speaking gemini, the only remaining things to fix is the logging (as a background service) and around midnight I will check i if git updates OK
10:53 schestowitz-TR; *midday
10:54 Techrights-sec; I'm going to move my main computer back to devuan, will probably unavailable
10:54 Techrights-sec; fpr a bit; ok I will check the gemini logging later today then
10:54 Techrights-sec; that was a unit file (systemd) problem
10:54 Techrights-sec; back in a while
10:54 schestowitz-TR; ok
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11:36 schestowitz; x https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-install-vs-code-server-on-almalinux-rocky-linux-8/
11:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.how2shout.com | How to Install VS Code-Server on AlmaLinux | Rocky Linux 8 - Linux Shout
11:45 activelow; another peculiar detail, about iraq war: there hasn't been any dispute about the fact Saddam deployed chemical weapons in 1980s
11:45 activelow; instead, year 2004, "peace activists" began to argue there wasn't any of those weapons to justify an intervention
11:49 activelow; "controlled opposition", and instead of asking who the suppliers were and why, "peace activists" argued there wasn't any to begin with, which was an outrageous distraction
11:50 activelow; because, Saddam did possess those, and too they were deployed against population
11:52 activelow; similar situation with most "eco activists", who perpetuate argument under "false flag", "controlled oppostion"
11:55 activelow; anyway, the propaganda outlets distracted from the question, who had supplied the weapons, and why; and anyone who argued those weapons existed was errornously identified as supporter of the USA war agenda, remarkable twist
11:56 activelow; because, those weapons did exist, were deployed, and still posed a threat (libya? and elsewhere)
13:06 Techrights-sec; now "just" tidying up
13:06 Techrights-sec; mozilla did not bring in /any/ settings from the earlier profile(s)
13:06 Techrights-sec; lz4jsoncat was needed to get at the old bookmarks :(
13:07 schestowitz-TR; when restoring the pi I wondered if on that too I should move to librewolf, their OS comes only with cough cough chrom(ium)
13:11 Techrights-sec; chromium does not seem available, at least in the default repositories,
13:11 Techrights-sec; so I guess I am locked out of some sites for now
13:11 schestowitz-TR; i often say,
13:11 schestowitz-TR; things that do not support xyz
13:12 schestowitz-TR; might be worth avoiding anyway
13:12 schestowitz-TR; because xyz is not good anyhow
13:12 Techrights-sec; yeah, best to skip those sites anyway
13:12 schestowitz-TR; it woiuld be wrong to compar this to Occam's razor
13:12 schestowitz-TR; but I have another thing in mind
13:12 schestowitz-TR; like "bullshit filter"
13:12 schestowitz-TR; or some other term I cannot quite recall
13:14 Techrights-sec; ack
13:14 schestowitz-TR; the same is true for people, as a social aspect
13:14 schestowitz-TR; as in, if person x is y
13:14 schestowitz-TR; then better to avoid person x to avoid y
13:15 schestowitz-TR; i've just spoken to my parents for over an hour
13:15 schestowitz-TR; even if there's some element of BS in some things
13:15 schestowitz-TR; they are still parents
13:15 schestowitz-TR; so the typical rules do not apply :-)
13:36 Techrights-sec; $ systemctl --failed
13:36 Techrights-sec; shows agate-tcpdumper.service as expected but also plymouth
13:37 schestowitz-TR; yup, I can see that now
13:38 schestowitz-TR; i have an unimportant queestion:
13:38 schestowitz-TR; on the older system or OS, would that have worked?
13:39 schestowitz-TR; or
13:39 schestowitz-TR; asked another way: if we had that backed up fully, would OS upgrade
13:39 schestowitz-TR; result in this same conundrum?
13:39 Techrights-sec; I think one of the variants would have worked, but bullseye is in place
13:39 Techrights-sec; and has a longer time before EOL so it's better to find a work-around
13:40 schestowitz-TR; if rianne gets another raspi4 (for her VPN), then maybe I'll try to make a better backup routine which keeps a "hot spare" of sorts
13:40 schestowitz-TR; we are all still using debian 10, since start of 2020
13:42 schestowitz-TR; the starting point would be an exact clone of the existing microsd card, and then deviate away from that, e.g. for another hostname and some other services like strongswan/ipsec
13:43 Techrights-sec; the impotant part of the hot spare is the removable media. It'd be easy
13:43 Techrights-sec; to have mirroring as part of the backup routine.
13:43 Techrights-sec; The existing system can be rsynced to a removable USB stick
13:44 schestowitz-TR; given the low cost of cards we might even decided to cycle onto a new one every y
13:44 schestowitz-TR; eat and use the "old" one as possible fallbacks
13:44 schestowitz-TR; the cost of both the card and thr hardware make this approach attractive,m I thin
13:44 schestowitz-TR; k
13:44 schestowitz-TR; as time costs more than "money"
13:46 schestowitz-TR; better yet, with a clone of the system and another piece of hardware you can dry-
13:46 schestowitz-TR; test and configure things ona test system before taking it "live"
13:46 schestowitz-TR; e.g. dist-upgrade
13:47 Techrights-sec; yes, then the working drive can just be moved around
13:47 schestowitz-TR; at a later date, maybe weekend, I will to clone the whole system to the 32GB USB stick that I bought
13:48 schestowitz-TR; the pi can have both USB and microsd inserted at the same time, and based on what I read and saw firsthand it can boot from either, so no downtime needed
13:49 Techrights-sec; I'd try experimenting with reserving a little space on the USB stick then
13:49 Techrights-sec; at the same time. Yes, boot from one or the other, the priority is set
13:49 Techrights-sec; using raspi-config
13:52 schestowitz-TR; yay, git ui over gemini:// is back to working and updating as before
13:52 schestowitz-TR; i planned to check after midday, was having phone as a dictrating factor
13:52 schestowitz-TR; (i can speak on the phone while posting lesser technical news picks at the same
13:52 schestowitz-TR; time without getting awfully confused)
13:52 Techrights-sec; advanced options -> A6 boot order
13:52 Techrights-sec; multitasking is usually inefficent and more often than not introduces errors
13:52 schestowitz-TR; yes, but when it comes to posting the "less important" and RSS-based political news I don't mind making slight errors here and there
13:55 schestowitz-TR; those are mostly a "classification" task
13:56 schestowitz-TR; murray's article about the prison experience is very long, detailed, and interest
13:56 schestowitz-TR; ing
13:56 schestowitz-TR; the one upside of putting a good writer in jail for 4 months with a notebook
13:58 Techrights-sec; ack
13:58 Techrights-sec; some sorting can be done with minimal thought but it can still distract
13:58 Techrights-sec; from the call
13:58 Techrights-sec; mouse clicks are usually very loud on the phone too
13:58 Techrights-sec; yes, though given the political nature of his incarceration I was surprised
13:58 Techrights-sec; that they allowed him a notebook or allowed one so easily.
14:00 schestowitz-TR; in belmarsh there are harsher restrictions
14:00 schestowitz-TR; assange complained that before appearance in court
14:00 schestowitz-TR; he was denied even access to his own notes
14:00 schestowitz-TR; the vault7 leaker (alleged) showed how much more degrading it is
14:00 schestowitz-TR; in the US system
14:00 schestowitz-TR; but his access to the media was close to nothing
14:00 schestowitz-TR; so you have to go by what people said he had uttered in court
14:01 Techrights-sec; yes, although assange's computers (notes and defense) were all confiscated
14:01 Techrights-sec; and turned over to his prosecutors. Belmarsh has also moved him to and from
14:01 Techrights-sec; the court area in such a manner as to avoid him being able to hear his supporters
14:01 Techrights-sec; outside the prison.
14:02 schestowitz-TR; stripped-searcherd him repeatedly
14:02 schestowitz-TR; as if he must have soime weapon under those clothes
14:02 schestowitz-TR; those "geeks" with their "hacking" skillz
14:02 Techrights-sec; "you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride"
14:02 Techrights-sec; "they ain't /my/ peers"
14:02 Techrights-sec; etc
14:03 schestowitz-TR; mr goolag has meanwhile done nothing since November
14:03 schestowitz-TR; all bark, no bites
14:04 Techrights-sec; I don't expect him to reform. I suppose he is still in IRC?
14:04 schestowitz-TR; yes, studying his next target or something...
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14:06 schestowitz-TR; but imho hard work for money he does not need
14:06 schestowitz-TR; limits his capacity to spend time lying, attacking
14:06 schestowitz-TR; threatening and playing crybully
14:06 schestowitz-TR; enslaved by expectations that incapacitate him
14:07 Techrights-sec; ack
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18:34 schestowitz-TR; 12 years ago I wanted to get rid of email completely
18:34 schestowitz-TR; nowadays I just try to lessen reliance on it
18:34 schestowitz-TR; for one thing, each time I send a message I assume it's
18:34 schestowitz-TR; harvested and saved for decades
18:34 schestowitz-TR; because it is so economic compared to
18:34 schestowitz-TR; something such as landline call
18:35 Techrights-sec; I think that GMail blockes GMX and many others.
18:43 Techrights-sec; Landline, and mobile, calls
18:43 Techrights-sec; are very low depth and sample rate. So they take very little space for audio,
18:43 Techrights-sec; compared to music or other types of sound. That is probably easily combined
18:43 Techrights-sec; with voice recognition and automated transcription. IIRC 8-bit mono at 8KHz
18:43 Techrights-sec; sample rate.
18:44 schestowitz-TR; yes, but that is less computationally cheap, less reliable, and I believe would be subjected to more blowback (if people discover all calls are processed and indexed in this fashion)
18:48 Techrights-sec; I thought that was established as going on and that;s what the large data centers
18:48 Techrights-sec; out west were for?
18:48 Techrights-sec; However, the phone metadata is almost as valuable. In some ways it is more
18:48 Techrights-sec; valuable because it takes far less space and is already machine readable without
18:48 Techrights-sec; further processing.
18:49 schestowitz-TR; I know about retention of such data, but to trigger processing I think you need to be on one of the lists, at least for landlines
19:02 Techrights-sec; Perhaps. I am not familiar with the reports from a few years ago any more.
19:02 Techrights-sec; However, since so much of it can be automated , I would think it covers nearly
19:02 Techrights-sec; everybody especially since the threshold for being on a "list" is quite low.
19:02 Techrights-sec; https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-re
19:02 Techrights-sec; aders-get-flagged-extra-surveillance
19:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-re )
19:03 schestowitz-TR; even for the list above, iirc it refers to Internet tracking rather than converting calls to text, indexing them, then assigning NSA "analystt" to study the "threat'
19:04 schestowitz-TR; btw, roblimo (rip) had served as NSA aorker
19:04 schestowitz-TR; prior to the taxi and Linux stuff iirc
19:06 Techrights-sec; I would look at the material Bill Binney reported on.
19:06 schestowitz-TR; Stellar Wind or something newer?
19:07 Techrights-sec;
19:07 Techrights-sec; and John Kiriakou
19:07 Techrights-sec; nothing "new" but there was a lot more he said and wrote than what the
19:07 Techrights-sec; mainstream press even hinted at
19:09 Techrights-sec; Also Thomas Drake. FISA is basically ignored.
19:09 schestowitz-TR; today's media spurns sources
19:10 Techrights-sec; and spurns facts, they love opinions and give them equal or more weight than
19:10 Techrights-sec; empirical facts
19:10 schestowitz-TR; buzzwords
19:10 schestowitz-TR; the clown
19:10 schestowitz-TR; "smart"
19:10 schestowitz-TR; "confidential computing"
19:10 schestowitz-TR; etc.
19:10 schestowitz-TR; they don't want investigators
19:10 schestowitz-TR; they want more spamnils
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19:26 Techrights-sec; yes as you've pointed out repeatedly, stenographers
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